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Sony has just announced that the PEG-NR70 and PEG-NR70V will be released in the U.S. in early May. The NR70 will cost $500 while the NR70V will be $600. Sony will begin taking pre-orders on SonyStyle, its webstore, today. In a departure from its previous policies, the U.S. versions will have the same names as the Japanese ones.

For the benefit of those who have recently been living in caves, the NR series was announced just over two weeks ago in Japan. It includes a 320 by 480, 16-bit color screen that has virtual Graffiti. It also has a clam-shell design, a built-in keyboard, 16 MB of RAM and is the first Palm OS model to use the 66 MHz Dragonball Super VZ. In addition, the NR70V has a built-in digital camera.

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this is great

palm_pilot_guy @ 3/27/2002 12:07:27 PM #
sony does it again.

though wahat sucks is that when i went to the sony store, they said that the t615 will be released in may in canada. oh well, just another 6 months to go...

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RE: this is great
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:27:47 PM #
Didn't sony learn from Palm about pre-ordering?

RE: this is great
nXt @ 3/27/2002 12:33:20 PM #
Sony has always gave pre-orders on all of their pdas, and we haven't heard a single bad news article about it.

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RE: this is great
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 5:46:47 PM #
nxt,

I'm surprised that you haven't heard anything bad about SonyStyle.com's pre-ordering...

When they first released the N710C in the States, they only had a few products in hand. However, they didn't ship the PDAs to those that pre-ordered first, in stead, they ship those to Staples, BB, and stuffs.

Some of the pre-orderers tried to cancel the order, but because of their 'complicated processing system,' their orders weren't canceled, and they have to spend $100 for shipment return / re-stocking fee.

RE: this is great
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 9:11:54 PM #
most countries allow you to purchase things from other countries... I believe you can do this with use of the mail in most places... sometimes the total cost is less... good luck!

RE: this is great
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:19:41 PM #
Amen, there were a LOT of problems with the preordering in the past. Sony's cancellation policy is a joke, I think they just don't have one. So you will not be too happy when you pre-order and don't get your device right away, and the local Best Buy gets them instead.

Gotta get a Gameboy

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:09:10 PM #
I have to get a Gameboy to get my thumbs built up for all of that typing that I'll be doing on my new NR70.

Bryan

Or thumb-wristling for that matter....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 10:53:28 PM #
you never know....

100 US more than other country

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:13:39 PM #
What's up with $ony? US version is 100 USD more than Japanese version.

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:15:40 PM #
I don't know if this accounts for all of the price increase but it costs more to ship something a third of the way around the planet than it does to ship it down the street. These are too hot an item to go by cargo ship. I'll bet you every one of these has been flown here.

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:25:16 PM #
Don't just blame Sony! Other Palm/Handspring devices are also cheaper in Japan and other part of Asia. The Palm M100 was selling as low as $40 in Japan at some point.

RE: 100 US more than other country
speedracer5 @ 3/27/2002 12:47:12 PM #
Actually, with the Yen as low as it is against the dollar, I don't think shipping would affect it that much. Several US industries have said that the Japaneese government have been keeping the yen low to make their products cheaper in the US. But looking at the price, this isn't one of them.

RE: 100 US more than other country
popko @ 3/27/2002 12:54:25 PM #
PDAs are cheaper in Asia may be because they are produced in Asia?

RE: 100 US more than other country
MobileMitch @ 3/27/2002 1:59:19 PM #
IMHO

Its simpler than all the reasons listed above. It is $100 more because of marketing.

We pay $100 more because we will.


In Japan they have so many other gagdets and 3rd generation phones to distract the gagdet lover, they probably need to price it lower to compete. Here, there is not that much competition....



RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:09:29 PM #
They have to pay a lot of import tax. It's the US who charged to much of tax for a product to get in here. Asia country don't charge them as much. US is charging high import tax for a reason, to keep US companies alive. If every Sony product is $100 cheaper, who is going to buy palm and handspring???

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:35:06 PM #
One possible reason is ,in many countries of Asia, there is almost no any good return policy, I mean you cannot return your stuff within 15 or 30 days if the product is not broken. That probably means the cost of the retailer in these countries is lower than US local retailers. So that's why you need to pay more to cover this cost of the same product. Just my guess ...

RE: 100 US more than other country
montyburns @ 3/27/2002 3:33:31 PM #
maybe the continuing recession in Japan and general economic softness in Asia has something to do with the pricing. The US economy is seen to be on the mend, so perhaps sony thinks the US marketplace can support the 100 dollar price difference.

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:50:09 PM #
Maybe the folks at Sony have been reading PIC. Seems to me that there has been no shortage of fools here salivating to throw away $600 on a handheld computer.

When it all shakes out, and those with money to burn have finished slobbering all over the display cases at Circuit City, the price of these new Clies will be more in line with what a more sensible Japanese consumer is willing to pay at the onset.

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 5:02:35 PM #
Don't forget that a dollar means different things in different parts of even the US too. You can get a nice apartment in some parts of the country for $400 a month, but try looking for housing in New York City or Silicon Valley.

I have no idea what this means for the Japanese/US pricing of the Clies, though. :P

RE: 100 US more than other country
mrscarey @ 3/27/2002 7:14:57 PM #
Think yourself lucky you don't live in the UK..
The price will be the same in GBP as it is in US Dollars - work it out - UK gets shafted on prices for EVERYTHING.

mrscarey

palmist and visionary

RE: 100 US more than Japan, period
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 10:56:36 PM #
For those people who said Asian countries charge less, it simply isn't true.

Hong Kong charge 3280, or 420 with Chinese OS for T615c. We all know that the Chinese OS is about 10-20 dollars in bulk order os the price comes to 400.

In Japan most stores sells T615C for 40,000 Yen, or 304 dollars.

So, not the U.S. government, not cheap cost in Asian, just that Sony decides to charge more in area outside of Japan.

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 4:27:17 AM #
Yes, I agree that it is because Sony belives that

>> We will pay for the extra USD100.

In Japan, the major PDA leader is Sharp. So they lower the price in Japan to attract the gadget lovers.

For myself in HK, we pay roughly the same as those in USA, USD100 more than in Japan domestics price.

regards,

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:01:55 AM #
QUOTE :
"We pay $100 more because we will."

Exatcly! In our history we have always been taken advantage of like that because :
1. We consumers have the money.
2. We will most likely pay for what we want without any fuss.

But in other countries you can buy stuff such as ice cream for only 10 cents! (in american money). I suppose Sony knows that it wont greatly effect us by settiing a higher price since the high-end pda's have reached over 400.00usd.

http://pdan.has.it

RE: 100 US more than other country
sungwai @ 3/28/2002 10:29:10 PM #
Same here in Hong Kong. I paid a little over usd400 for a T615C from Sonystyle. The T600 (Jap. version) is only usd300 here with store-only warranty.
Since the Sony product cycle is so short, next time I will just buy the Jap. version.

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:24:24 PM #
I say we bomb them.....oh, wait a second this is only a PDA we're talking about, sorry...carry on

RE: 100 US more than other country
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 7:09:09 AM #
Sounds like $ONY is simply subsidizing the cheap prices at home with our $$. If you gotta have one of these, then $100 isn't going to stop you. I'll wait until the OS5 x-scale comes out 2 weeks after this is released and then see if the price drops by about.... a $100.

In europe it will be MORE than 100 US difference!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 9:03:53 AM #
Yes, complain about the 100 dollar price difference you guys! Cause when it hits europe, the price tag will be 200 dollar higher...

That includes my playstation 2 which was 250 dollar more in Norway, than in the States where my bro bought one....

Cheers :)

Some New Accessories.

nXt @ 3/27/2002 12:14:57 PM #
http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/nr70_accessories.shtml

Screen Protector for PEG-NR series (PEGA-SP70) $9.99
Protect your LCD screen from scratches with the long lasting, reusable and ultra-thin Screen Protector. Easy to apply and remove.
Compatible with: PEG-NR series.

No more Brando needed :)

From the ClieClub in Japan pictures... It's the Battery Adapter charger:

Battery Adapter for PEG-NR / PEG-T series (PEGA-BC10) $39.99
Extend the running time of your CLIノ handheld with the Battery Adapter. This lightweight Battery Adapter uses four AA-size batteries*, which can fully charge a CLIノ handheld. A perfect back-up when you're traveling.
Compatible with: PEG-NR and PEG-T series.

* Compatible with Sony AA size dry alkaline batteries. Also compatible with Sony NiMH and NiCd rechargeable batteries. Batteries and battery chargers sold separately


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RE: Some New Accessories.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:58:56 PM #
Hmmm ... yes, some kind of screen protector would be a must if you are going to use this thing as a PDA-like device instead of the mini-laptop that it is.

RE: Some New Accessories.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:07:42 PM #
<< some kind of screen protector would be a must if you are going to use this thing as a PDA-like device instead of the mini-laptop that it is. >>

I think your "mini-laptop" phrase is very perceptive. Sony has released a number of VAIO laptops in the past that sought to push the small-size envelope. I suspect you're right in suggesting that they intend this to be part-PDA, part-superminilaptop. That would certainly explain the pricing.


RE: Some New Accessories.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:06:33 PM #
Sony already had a mini laptop, not too much bigger than this with a built in camera.

Anyhow, my point was that many people were claiming that you could just keep this in the form with the screen exposed and it would be just like a normal PDA. While that is true, with the keyboard folded away, it then offers you no protection for the screen.

8 Megs Flash.. wow..

nXt @ 3/27/2002 12:17:58 PM #
10 megs flash in the Japanese version, we all know cuz it needs the languages... but 8 megs in the USA version? Hopefully there's nothing in there so we can use JackFlash on it :)

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RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:32:39 PM #
I wonder if the MP3 player uses it as a buffer...

RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
popko @ 3/27/2002 12:56:06 PM #
As far as I know, the MP3 files will be on the MS and since it is solid state storge medium, there is no need for buffer (well, a little bit buffer may be needed for the MP3 decoding software to run). Besides, are ROMs too slow to be used as buffer?

RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:11:39 PM #
Yeah, from the experience of someone who has self-upgraded Clies and Palms, and a frequent user of programs like JackFlash and BackupBuddy, that particular internal Flash ROM is too slow at WRITING to be used as an MP3 buffer. A proper buffer needs to be super fast at reading and writing so that the music doesn't skip. It would take ages to create the buffer, though it could read from it pretty quickly.

--JM

RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:59:52 PM #
Using flash memory for buffers is a bad idea anyway, because flash memory has a limited number of write cycles. (Yes, it's in the millions, but as an MP3 is playing, it's conceivable that the contents of the buffer could change continuously.)

RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
LC @ 3/27/2002 10:35:50 PM #
Could the built in apps have anything to do with this high ROM value? What of the higher res would it need more rom to support this?

Or maybe it will be os5 upgradable???

RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:07:04 AM #
LG, I don't think it will be able to run OS5, because OS5 will be used in future PDA's with ARM chips. The new sony clie models listed on this article are not ARM chip powered devices.

I was wondering myself why they added extra flash memory. I expect that they might make a few updates or upgrades to make the Palm OS more personalized with multimedia functions. They already have done that with past models. Lucky future users can get jackflash and get a hold of all that memory!! :D

http://pdan.has.it

battery life did get mentioned

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:23:23 PM #
in the comparison table of models.

RE: battery life did get mentioned
Ed @ 3/27/2002 12:35:10 PM #
I still think it is interesting that it didn't get mentioned in the release that Sony sent to the press.

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RE: battery life did get mentioned
terpfan91 @ 3/27/2002 12:36:41 PM #
*if* what they are saying is accurate, a 17% hit versus the T615 (10 days versus 12 days) probably isn't that bad considering the extra features.

RE: battery life did get mentioned
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:10:01 PM #
Ahh, but means the actual runtime will now be close to 4 1/2 hours (20% less than the T615C's 5 1/2 hours).

Don't get me wrong, I love my T615, but Sony really needs to work on their battery life. The NR is feature packed, but wouldn't last a single day for me.

RE: battery life did get mentioned
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:11:28 PM #
Alas, the cruel irony of it all; a Lexus with a five gallon gas tank...

RE: battery life did get mentioned
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:43:46 PM #
If you can live with the battery life of PPC, you will not be too sad about this sweet baby.

RE: battery life did get mentioned
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:26:25 PM #
Ah, but if you can live with the battery life of PPC, you just might be a PPC user, which means you won't be reading PIC unless you want to troll.

Mac support

dsm363 @ 3/27/2002 12:35:31 PM #
Ed,
When you said "Sony has not yet added support for the Mac OS" do you know if they are planning on it someday or will we continue to need the Markspace driver? I really wish they would at least officially support hotsyncing.
Thanks for keeping up such a great site.

RE: Mac support
Ed @ 3/27/2002 12:41:52 PM #
No, no inside info. But I keep hoping.

The Palm Desktop for OS X will allow some Sony models to HotSync. Of course, none of the specialized conduits are included. There is no way at this point to know whether the NR series will work with it.

I know Mark/Space is working on NR support.

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News Editor

RE: Mac support
dsm363 @ 3/27/2002 8:36:03 PM #
Thanks Ed. I just think it's a shame Mac users have to shell out $30 extra.

RE: Mac support
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 8:50:42 PM #
Depending on what you want support for, you may not need Sony. There is plenty of UNIX/Linux software out supporting the Palm, and I strongly suspect that all the new features of these handhelds will be supported soon as well. That code probably just works on OSX.

RE: Mac support
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:27:59 PM #
"There is plenty of UNIX/Linux software out supporting the Palm... That code probably just works on OSX" I don't know what's funnier - The idea of a Mac boy spending even MORE money on overpriced hardware because it looks cool, or their begging the open source movement to write software for them because Sony obviously can't be bothered with their platform. I'm surprised that somebody hasen't started recompiling Jpilot for OS X and selling it in MacWorld at $60 a box.

RE: Mac support
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 2:53:03 PM #
Palm Desktop 4.0 will sync with no problems to any CLIE with PalmOS 4 or later. If you have an IR port on your Mac, you can use it to sync to -any- CLIE. The only situation in which you need The Missing Sync is if you have a CLIE with PalmOS earlier than 4.0, and no IR on your Mac.

The only thing The Missing Sync does that Palm Desktop doesn't is to mount the CLIE's Memory Stick on the Desktop. For that, I already use Sony's Memory Stick PC Card Adapter in my PowerBook G4 in conjunction with my CyberShot camera, and it works like a charm in either OS 9 or OS X. I haven't tried the USB reader, but I assume it works pretty much the same, since the stick drive in the camera mounts up over USB without any problems. This has the added advantages of not requiring cables (and you wouldn't want to mount a volume over IR), and not using up any power on the device.

It's sad that because of a mistake in early CLIEs, Sony is still having trouble selling into the Mac market, even though the original problem is long since solved.

Whats the screen technology...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:38:38 PM #
Over the past two weeks ive pretty much read that these things have every screen tech currently in mainstream use... its reflective like the n760, no its backlit, no its transflective like the T615, etc.

On sonys site it says the screen is 320x480 with backlights... which leads me to think its just a backlit screen... but thats useless outdoors... would they cripple such a device with an non-outdoor readable screen?

RE: Whats the screen technology...
big_raji @ 3/27/2002 12:59:24 PM #
Maybe they're just saying "Backlit" on the site for simplicity's sake...

I'm sure people would be more freaked out by "Trans-Reflective Backlit LCD Screen"

I'm under the strong impression that it's Transreflective.

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RE: Whats the screen technology...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:05:33 PM #
The description for the NR series is exactly the same as that for the T-series. Based on that, I would assume that the screen is, indeed, transreflective.

RE: Whats the screen technology...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:30:35 PM #
Right.

Transflective *IS* backlit. It combines the superior backlighting of the traditional back-lit PDA, with the outdoor viewability of a side-lit PDA.

The Palm m130 has a screen like the 615, except the colors are perfect, and it doesn't have hi-res.

I'm an m505 owner, but I must say I'm jealous as h*ll of the m130's screen.

RE: Whats the screen technology...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:47:27 PM #
Yes,it's Transreflective with true RED & Yellow , no washed out anymore..

RE: Whats the screen technology...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 5:04:58 PM #
It is backlit. There is the lighting layer. Then the LCD layer. So, it is still an LCD screen at heart, with a light behind it. That is how it can also still turn off the lighting and see it in the sunlight.

RE: Whats the screen technology...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 9:08:20 PM #
The m130 does NOT have the same screen as a T615. The T615 has a transflective backlit screen, as opposed to a backlit LCD screen.

RE: Whats the screen technology...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:07:59 AM #
<< The m130 does NOT have the same screen as a T615. The T615 has a transflective backlit screen, as opposed to a backlit LCD screen. >>

No, the m130 has a TRANSREFLECTIVE backlit screen. It's not exactly like the T615, but it's the same technology. It looks a little different because it's plastic, not glass.

Perhaps you should check the facts next time before posting a comment that implicitly says "I'm ignorant."

Initial Reactions

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:33:10 PM #
My first thought is "well, DUH..."

My second thought is that wow, this is a cool device, but...I think I'll stick with my m130 until OS5 devices hit the market. I can't justify spending $400 for the m515 or the T615, so I certainly can't see dropping $500-600 for this(not including accessories), in spite of its "coolness."

The Sony-istas will probably flame me for refusing to make this purchase--they'll say I'm some retard who's clearly stupid regarding the apparent superiority of Sony products, as though I'm somehow inferior as a person because I'm perfectly happy with my m130.

Of course, I'll happily ignore the proclamations of the Sony-istas. I'll be fine using my Palm, and they'll...well, they'll remain what they are--people who have nothing better to do than issue personal attacks over something is inconsequential (in the whole scheme of life) as a PDA. Pity.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 12:49:38 PM #
That is the funny post I have ever read.

I think you flamed yourself.

RE: Initial Reactions
Islander @ 3/27/2002 1:00:52 PM #
Qoute:
"they'll say I'm some retard who's clearly stupid regarding the apparent superiority of Sony products, as though I'm somehow inferior as a person...."

Reply quote:
"I think you flamed yourself."


I....AM ......DYING .....LAUGHING
Flamed himself Haaaaaa.
That is right,never seen any one do that

Qoute original Post:
"I'll happily ignore the proclamations of the Sony-istas."

Never mind the "Sonyistas" you need a shrink, deal with your own self loathing.
LOL

Just kidding dude. Of course I know what you meant. Hope you have a sense of humor. You gotta admit the "Flamed yourself" comment is pretty funny when you look at your post. Couldnt help but add fuel to the "Fire."


RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:04:09 PM #
<< "I think you flamed yourself." >>

No, I think that was an attempt at fire prevention. I think you need to reread the post.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:20:27 PM #
$600 is insane, camera or no camera.

iPAQ 64mb sells for $499 (if not cheaper on discount)
Zaurus 64 also sells for $499. (it even come with mini office suits surprisingly)

It seems Sony is banking that people will pay that much money for style.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:25:50 PM #
He/She said what most would have said - get it?

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:13:35 PM #
I, for one, get it. The initial post here is basically beating all the "Sony-istas" to the punch. It's no secret that there are at least a handful of pro-Sony loonies here at PIC who try to suggest that purchasing anything BUT a Sony is somehow criminal behavior punishable by death. I don't know that the original poster was engaging in self-loathing so much as he/she was saying, "I won't buy it. I know what you're going to say. Up yours."

RE: Initial Reactions
He||Raiser @ 3/27/2002 2:46:17 PM #
Personally, I too am not interested in this device. I was looking toward a device in the T615 form factor with MP3 capabilities and hopefully the 66mhz dragonball. But now, I'm more inclined to wait till OS 5. I'm a Sony lover, I got my mom a S320 and my dad a N610. But I think I'm going to wait unless my Palm IIIc dies on me, which I fear it is close to. If it does die, I'd be likely to get a T615. I don't need a mini keyboard because I use Grafitti efficiently and if I do need to type something, I'd like the ability to type on a full size keyboard. I guess I'll have to wait till OS 5 for MP3 capabilities in a simple form factor.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:53:50 PM #
To compare you MUST check similar features. The iPaq may be $499 but it DOESNエT include an expansion jacket which you MUST purchase separately, the iPaq DOESNエT include a keyboard or a camera or even 65000 colors... Not to mention battery life :-(

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:36:32 PM #
the jacket is only $50 if not cheaper, or even get a second hand. The darned thing doesn't cost $100. Plus it's CF. (as oppose to the useless Memstick.) On top of that the CF memory is cheaper than MS in larger size, if not the only option. Try getting a 512Mb Memstick. Good luck.

No matter how you spin it, this NR is very expensive compare to competition with more features.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:36:32 PM #
the jacket is only $50 if not cheaper, or even get a second hand. The darned thing doesn't cost $100. Plus it's CF. (as oppose to the useless Memstick.) On top of that the CF memory is cheaper than MS in larger size, if not the only option. Try getting a 512Mb Memstick. Good luck.

No matter how you spin it, this NR is very expensive compare to competition with more features.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 6:26:34 PM #
Yep, no doubt about it. The fact that the PPC trolls feel the need to come here and defend their precious iPaqs is a sign that they are scared.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 7:24:54 PM #
In late April or early May Fujitsu-Siemans will intro the Pocket Loox. 400 MHz Intel Xscale processor, 64 meg of ram, 2 expansion slots and a 16 bit 320x240 screen and possibly integrated Bluetooth. Estimated price is around $600. How can the NR compete with this. Its just a gadget compared to a true hand held computer with network potential.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 8:24:59 PM #
On discount iPAQ goes for about $399-450 on the net, plus $40 CF expansion, that's still far from $599.

With the spare money one can get 2100ma battery replacement, that should make the gadget last about 12-14hrs continuously.

Or maybe replace the internal memory from 64Mb to 128 or 256Mb. (just stuff everything, including 2 hrs of mp3, time sink softwares and last 10 vacations photos, with room to spare for that boring office files.

Or maybe just get that just announced tri-band sleeve. (GPRS anybody?)

well, that's a message from PPC troll to you. reminding what PDA can go with that much money these days.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 9:44:17 PM #
I think it just shows how low this forum has come down to sometimes. PIC is known for childish flaming and frustrated venting of silly issues. This guy/gal probably tried to illustrate what it's like here. I guess one can hardly make a rational, objective comment here wihout getting one's character asassinated.

Perhaps some of the topics posted here hits a nerve but if you cannot give a coherent rebuttal, butt out.

What a Flame!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:43:23 AM #
To the original post-- sorry dude, but you are a "FLAME". Frankly, I would prefer that you keep your Palm so as to not ruin the image of CLIノ users out there.

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:22:57 PM #
"In late April or early May Fujitsu-Siemans will intro the Pocket Loox." - And Danger will be releasing the Hiptop any day now. And don't forget the OS5 ARM units, and Bill's Webpads, or the communicators from Star Trek, for that matter. --- Boy, woulden't it be great if we could compute on THEORETICAL hardware, instead of having to use all this obviously inferior ACTUAL hardware?

RE: Initial Reactions
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 1:01:37 PM #
well, LOOX is not a prototype or pre-Beta like 5.0. It' ready to market complete with website, press release (US in May,$599), show and tell in the last Cebit. And it's Fujitsu-Siemens, not exactly some no name outfit.

RE:Loox.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 1:04:43 AM #
So, did you actually get to /use/ one? Hell, the Hiptop has had a website for almost a year solid now - dosen't make it any more real.
And there's a heck of a lot of diffrence between what you see at a trade expo and what actually happens - I mean, even PPC's manage to look at least half-assed in a demo enviroment like that.


Iam, iam, nondum

robrecht @ 3/27/2002 1:08:11 PM #
Although the screen and soft graffiti are a great step forward that will, I hope, become a new standard ...

No wireless or POTS modem capability yet.

No full-size, folding keyboard option.

Twisting clam shell design seems to add extra bulk only for the sake of a thumb keyboard and a novelty camera.

Think I'll wait for this screen in a smaller, more traditional PDA design, eg, a T625c. Wonder what Handera is up to ...?

Thanks, Robrecht

RE: Iam, iam, nondum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:20:05 PM #
Remember, friends, you don't have to buy the one with the camera! Save $100 and do without!


RE: Iam, iam, nondum
Bryan @ 3/27/2002 1:28:00 PM #
I would say that the folding clamshell design has more use than just for the sake of the built-in keyboard. It effectively eliminates the need for a case. I personally could care less if the metal on my Clie gets a bit scratched, protecting the screen is why I bought a hard case...

RE: Iam, iam, nondum
robrecht @ 3/27/2002 1:28:31 PM #
Of course not, but I was commenting on what seems like a poor trade-off involved in this kind of design. I'd rather wait for a simpler design and have the option of using a full size keyboard and greater connectivity.

Of course some people like thumb keyboards. But at least Blackberrys have wonderful email capability.

Thanks, Robrecht

RE: Iam, iam, nondum
robrecht @ 3/27/2002 1:42:39 PM #
Anyone who has ever dropped a PDA would probably want a case to protect this $500-$600 investment!

Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Iam, iam, nondum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 7:10:11 PM #
Haven't you noticed? The case is magnesium! You can freaking throw this PDA against a wall and it won't break! After all, it's a Sony, and we all know they NEVER do wrong! The price is perfect, the screen is perfect, the case is perfect, the little twisty thing is perfect! Sony is God!

RE: Iam, iam, nondum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:12:33 AM #
QUOTE :
"Remember, friends, you don't have to buy the one with the camera! Save $100 and do without!"

Agreed. I rather buy a digital camera using either mem stick or sd technology for my m500 or clie s360 (loan). I can even find one cheaper than 100 bucks.

http://pdan.has.it

RE: Iam, iam, nondum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:10:39 AM #
<< Remember, friends, you don't have to buy the one with the camera! Save $100 and do without! >>

OR, save $500-600 by keeping what you've got if it does what you need. Face it--the NR series is a gadget-lover's dream, but it's hardly a product that expands the real functionality of a PDA (even though it might look like it does).

Here's what the NR series really does:
1) Adds processing power
2) Increases POSSIBLE screen size (you can't really argue that it has TRUE virtual graffiti YET--graffiti comes up automatically, so what it has is software-based graffiti)
3) Decreases battery life
4) Builds in a keyboard
5) Builds in a camera
6) Builds in an mp3 player

Here's what the NR series DOESN'T do:
1) Increase memory
2) Add a modem
3) Add built-in wireless
4) Employ TRUE virtual graffiti (like the Handera--a flawed, but innovative, device)
5) Add networking capability
6) Improve battery life, or at least add more function to existing battery life

Granted, some of the things the NR series doesn't do will require OS5, but that's partly my point. This is a neat device--a gadget-lover's dream. But please stop foaming at the mouth as though this is somehow as revolutionary a product as, say, the original Apple Macintosh was in its day. It's simply not--get over it, wipe off your chin, and change your shirt--the collar's soaked.

I ask you: is that innovation?

Sony and 'Standards'.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:41:17 PM #
"Although the screen and soft graffiti are a great step forward that will, I hope, become a new standard .." ----

Using Sony's previous expansions (Memory Stick, and the 320x320 screen) as examples, all I can say is 'I hope to god not.' - Memory stick is slow and deeply flawed as an expansion technology compared to CF, or even the almost-as-ridiculous SD. Their 'screen expansion technology' is a battery sucking hardware kludge. The only reason they offered their 'screen expansion' for inclusion into Palm's OS was as a poison pill. Anybody trying to use it would be stuck with Sony's implemntation and resolution - and guess who the only current major manuf. of 320x320 screens is? If you guessed 'Sony', you're right!

Rotating screen hinge fragile?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:15:45 PM #
So I haven't been following the NR series closely (haven't rad the translated Japanese reviews) but what is the consensus on the rotating screen hinge? Not the book-style flipup hinge separating the screen from keyboard, that looks substantial. The hinge, or cuff, or whatever you want to call it that allows the screen itself to turn around?

Since the first pictures arrived all I can think of is that hinge must be tiny (can't be any wider than the thinkness of the screen) and must be fragile. And since its the only point of attachment for the entire screen assembly I wonder if a little pressure applied at the wrong moment (like when the screen is half rotated as in
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_NR70_11_S.jpg) is going to create a problem?

Bas

RE: Rotating screen hinge fragile?
big_raji @ 3/27/2002 1:22:19 PM #
We'll just have to wait for someone to dissect one.

My thoughts are that it either has to be unbelievably strong, or it has to have an easily detachable connection, so that if the wrong type of pressure is applied, it would safely snap off.

---
If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.

RE: Rotating screen hinge fragile?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:33:24 PM #
It is the same tried-and-true pivot that is on their miniature video camera LCD screens.

RE: Rotating screen hinge fragile?
Altema @ 3/27/2002 2:04:06 PM #
"It is the same tried-and-true pivot that is on their miniature video camera LCD screens"

Very true, and they are tougher than they look. I have had one of them for about 4 years, and none of my kids have broken the flip-and-rotate screen yet.

nice but no thank you

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:24:03 PM #
I really wish they offered an equivalent to this model on the same size scale as teh t-series and minus the keyboard, then I would purchase it but as it its I will stick with my t615.

RE: nice but no thank you
Midknyte @ 3/27/2002 2:01:28 PM #
Ok, wait about 6 weeks... ;)

RE: nice but no thank you
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:32:15 PM #
I bet you think you're kidding. Just wait until the T615 shows up as "Sold Out" on the SonyStyle website.

N760 Control wand and NR70 the same interface?

digilaw @ 3/27/2002 1:26:56 PM #
I have an extra control wand for my N760, any idea if, besides looking the same, these two wands are the same? Will the N760 wand work on the NR70?

RE: N760 Control wand and NR70 the same interface?
dwarchbold @ 3/27/2002 1:37:15 PM #
Yes, they should be the same

Magnesium case

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:26:57 PM #
I wonder whether the casing is robust enough to withstand carrying without another external case, and would it scratch, etc. I would imagine that typical flip-style cases would be difficult to design for NR with all of the flipping and twisting it is designed to do.

RE: Magnesium case
MobileMitch @ 3/27/2002 2:08:03 PM #
Magnesium is much stronger and a good bit lighter than aluminum if that helps.

Also, if you ever get stranded in the mountians, you can use the case for tinder, scrape off little chips of the case into a little pile, get a spark to it, and the damn stuff will burn.

I bet thats one feature you didn't see in the brochure.

RE: Magnesium case
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:50:07 PM #
No idiot. The case is magenesium alloy, not the same manesium block one buys at REI!

RE: Magnesium case
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:11:31 AM #
Some people have no sense of humor.

RE: Magnesium case
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 11:53:22 AM #
lol

NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:33:42 PM #
Correct me if I am wrong but, according to this link there is no Memory stick included when you buy the PEG-NR70V!

http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/popup/specs_peg_nr70v.pdf

RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
Altema @ 3/27/2002 2:08:22 PM #
Well, if you have $600 for a PDA...

RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:49:24 PM #
Is it a bid deal ? Do you want them to include 8MB memorystick ? It's useless anyway.

RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:01:25 PM #
You didn't have to go searching through PDFs. It says right up there in the article: "They don't actually come with a Memory Stick, though."

RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:16:00 AM #
But look how much flash memory you are getting! No big deal to tell the truth. If you can afford that PDA, you can afford a much cheaper mem stick.

http://pdan.has.it

RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 11:30:58 AM #
If you're like me and a devoted Clie fan, then you already have two or three memory sticks so no biggie, IMHO.

Rubber added to stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 1:44:22 PM #
Because the hinge is at the top, the stylus slot is on the bottom. Rubber has been added to it to prevent the problem the T series has with the stylus easily slipping out.

I hope that I will be able to purchase the "added rubber" stylus and use it in my T615c.

By the way, here's an idea for a new product: a combination stylus/ink pen that has a little tool on the top for pushing the inferior up/down button on the T615c.

RE: Rubber added to stylus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:40:51 PM #
I think the rubber is added around the hole not the stylus. Maybe I am wrong.

RE: Rubber added to stylus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:44:44 PM #
No, same stylus as T. Just rubber inside the stylus silo.

RE: Rubber added to stylus
big_raji @ 3/27/2002 4:41:55 PM #
There was a website somewhere that showed how you can take apart a disposable lighter, and use the rubber o-rings on your sony clie stylii.

Anybody have a link?

---
If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.

RE: Rubber added to stylus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 5:13:38 PM #

who's pre ordering???

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:01:55 PM #
NOT ME

RE: who's pre ordering???
MobileMitch @ 3/27/2002 2:12:44 PM #
STAPLES, BEST BUY, OFFICE DEPOT... all preorders and just like we have all seen, thats where you see'm first.



RE: who's pre ordering???
nXt @ 3/27/2002 3:01:05 PM #
The guy meant who is going to be pre ordering it, and he's not. he wasn't asking what stores are offering pre orders.

nXt's Clie Club
Place To Be For Sony Clie Discussion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nxtclieclub
RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:49:42 PM #
Just preordered 50 units of each model as my first order in NR series.


RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 7:12:52 PM #
Did you also buy a t-shirt that reads "Sucker?"

RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 1:52:32 AM #
I'll chime in here and risk the wrath of my fellow posters:

I pre-ordered an NR70V from Amazon.

There, I said it.

Yeah, I know it's $600 bucks, and that even thinking about buying one marks me as an idiot of the first order, but hey, it's my money and I don't feel like waiting for OS5 to ship before upgrading my m505.

And since we've already established that I'm an idiot, I can freely confess here that in addition to my m505, I also own both an iPAQ and an HP J568. As such, I am more than willing to accept the NR's (presumed) less-than-stellar battery life - though, truth be told, that damn 568 goes forever on a charge...

The NR Looks like a killer device to me. I can't wait to get my hands on it.

-Adam

RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 2:05:04 AM #
>Did you also buy a t-shirt that reads "Sucker?"

yes I did get a T-shirt that reads "Palm Sucks" together with the order of 100 units of Clie NR70.

RE: who's pre ordering???
Timothy @ 3/28/2002 8:00:13 AM #
I'm an idiot,too.

The $600 is outrageous. The $500 is outrageous. That is what will make it so much fun.

Everything I ever wanted. Replaces

Paper
Typewriter
Photo Album
Diary
Gameboy (which I won't use myself, but it will make friends and family envious)
Music boxes of all kinds
Desktop computer
Camera
Tape Recorder
Remote Control for TV
Remote viewer for TV recordings


But even if it were just there for the Word Processing, I would pay $600 for it.

RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:19:35 AM #
QUOTE :
"and I don't feel like waiting for OS5 to ship before upgrading my m505."

When OS5 comes out you are going to wish that you waited and didn't waste your money. I bought the m500 when it first came out, and NOW i wished I waited till the monochrome s360 came out first. But that's my problem.

http://pdan.has.it

RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:15:21 AM #
What I meant by all those stores pre-ordering is that they "pre-order" way before everyone else and that from what I have read on this site and others, if you want to get one as quickly as posible, pre-ordering is not the way to go, it is to go camp out at the nearest store.

RE: who's pre ordering???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:29:36 PM #
QUOTE:
"When OS5 comes out you are going to wish that you waited and didn't waste your money. I bought the m500 when it first came out, and NOW i wished I waited till the monochrome s360 came out first. But that's my problem."

Hardly. When OS5 comes out I'm going to wait like everyone else to see which company releases the most compelling device, and then, wait for the bugs to be ironed out of said device. We're talking at least until October here, if not later. And in the meantime, I'll be having a blast with my overpriced, underpowered PEG-NR70V. Besides, how does the release of OS5 detract from the functionality of the NR? There's ALWAYS something better coming down the pike. For instance, I'll also be replacing my HP J568 (purchased last October) with an XScale Fujitsu-Siemens LOOX as soon as they're released. Doubtless, another PPC2002 OEM will be coming out with an even more powerful PPC soon thereafter. And thus, the cycle continues.

-Adam

PS - Yes, a fool and his money are easily parted... But hey, it keeps me off the heroin.

landscape mode?

jmbladen @ 3/27/2002 2:09:55 PM #
Is anyone else wondering if it will be possible to use applications in landscape mode. Spreadsheets and movies in landscape mode would be a big improvement. It would be cool if they could ever figure out a way to fit a feature length film on a memory stick.

RE: landscape mode?
PalmAddict @ 3/27/2002 2:26:24 PM #
Using Teal Movie 2.22beta on my T615 I have a full episode of The Family Guy (22 Minutes / 23 MB), The short film Troops (12 minutes / 10 MB), and a spoof StarWars/SouthPark Trailer (2 minutes / 2 MB) on my 128 MB Memory stick along with 8 MP3's encoded at 128kbs as some other files with 23 MB of free space). It is my understanding that the Japanese version of the T615 can use GMovie on the desktop and convert television programs for later viewing off of the MS. I don't see the quality as being great (or even good at this point), but it is there for "wow" and gee-whiz factor. I forsee this coming, but not as a "useable" feature until OS5 and the ARM7/XScale processor hit the market, as well as better battery life.

To keep everyone happy: I like my Sony, but its not for everyone. I'm not jumping on the NR-70 right now. Too much, too soon. It is good to see that there is a device out there for everyone though.

"We're a planet of nearly six billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants."

-Scott Adams

RE: landscape mode?
robrecht @ 3/27/2002 2:26:46 PM #
I think this is one of the biggest promises of soft graffiti--but we must wait for software developers. I wonder what Quickoffice spreadsheets look like on this SONY? Quickoffice developed a version of their spreadsheet program for landscape viewing on the Handera 330.

See the following link:
http://www.cesinc.com/quickoffice/handera330/


Thanks, Robrecht

RE: landscape mode?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:50:40 PM #
Hey Palm Addict

Can I get a copy of these videos from you some how?

I would love to try that out. Most of the videos for teal are not great.

Thanks.

You'll have to wait for people to invent the SONY CLIE wheel
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:51:29 PM #
Yeah, if SONY could be bothered to actually do stuff the right way, they'd have made their OS/Screen compatable with the hacks, extensions and programs already out there and written for the H330. But they probably diden't. Heck, they coulden't even be bothered to write mac drivers. They won't even keep the same connector across three models.

Clie Mail Program

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:23:06 PM #
I noticed under the included software bundle for the NR series that they include a program called 'Clie Mail'. Anyone have an idea what this app is? There are no wireless solutions for this model yet, so is this a replacement for the built-in PalmOS Mail app? I have a T-615c and this wasn't bundled with my handheld. Wonder what this is?

RE: Clie Mail Program
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:16:32 PM #
I believe it is a program for reading POP email, not a replacement for the standard Mail Palm app. I've seen references to Clie Mail on Japanese sites, and what I think is a review of the program on muchy.com, which had a couple of pics that suggested POP email app.

RE: Clie Mail Program
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 6:23:51 PM #
Does anyone know where to get an English version of Clie Mail?

RE: Clie Mail Program
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 7:36:44 PM #
Have not really heard of English version of Clie Mail yet except with this handheld. Somebody did mention that it came with the modem for the S/N-series. I am not sure about that.

Clie Mail has been among the bundled software since the S-series for the Japanese models. It is multi-account POP mail client. Before the NR-series, it allows attachment in the format of PGP picture, .pdb, .prc files. The new version support jpeg attachment.

Summary Of Attachement supported:

From RAM
--------
* PG Pocket pictures
* address record (.vcf files)
* memo (.txt files)
* .prc files
* .pdb files

Directly from MS
----------------
* DCF (jpeg) files
* PGP pictures


- Eugene

RE: Clie Mail Program
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:36:26 PM #
Yes, Clie Mail did come with the modem, but it really sucks and I wouldn't waste my time trying to find it. The free email program from Eudora is much better.

jog dial

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:25:19 PM #
If one has this thing all flipped around will the jog dial be useless? it wont always be in the same place.

RE: jog dial
PalmAddict @ 3/27/2002 2:37:30 PM #
The jog wheel stays in the same place (it is on the bottom half of the device with the keyboard. When you rotate the screen, the Clie automatically "flips" the display to show it "face up".

"We're a planet of nearly six billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants."

-Scott Adams

RE: jog dial
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:42:31 PM #
"If one has this thing all flipped around will the jog dial be useless? it wont always be in the same place."

Useless? In Portrait mode it's in the same place regardless of wether you're using the screen clamshell or flipped down. In landscape mode (if that's something they're going to offer), then you're right in that it'll be on the top or bottom, but it's still going to be in the vacinity of an index finger. The HandEra API lets you choose which way you want the rotation for landscape mode (90 or 270), so it'd be thoughtful for them to follow that template, except some apps like QuickOffice which only have a checkbox for "rotate" and force a particular orientation on you. Fortunately I believe only QuickOffice uses that restrictive approach.

-Craig Bowers

RE: jog dial
nXt @ 3/27/2002 3:02:06 PM #
Remember, look at the picture, this Clie can flip and twist!

You open the clam, and FLIP/TURN the screen and then close the clam.

The whole bottom half (jog dial) of the clie stays put. you still have access to it.

nXt's Clie Club
Place To Be For Sony Clie Discussion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nxtclieclub

Announced a day after Zaurus

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:24:41 PM #
It's no mistake Sony announced this to coincide with the Zaurus announcement yesterday. That's it's real competition, not necessarily other Palm OS devices.

What that means is that this should EXPAND Palm OS market share (at the expense of PPC, Sharp, etc) as much as take away from other Palm Source licensees.

While this isn't an OS 5 device, this is exactly what Palm Source has in mind to make it's OS ubiquitious and applicable to every kind of device on the market.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:18:46 PM #
I'd buy a Zaurus long before I'd buy one of these NR-series devices.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:40:03 PM #
I agree. I'm really interested in trying out a Zaurus at Fry's, Best Buy, or Office Depot. My local Fry's had one on display, but it was not charged yet. The form factor is nice--much smaller than anticipated. I hope they've got it charged soon, so I can play around and try it out.

Of course, I'd also like to test-drive the new Sony, but my impressions right now are that the Zaurus would be the better PDA. At least it has a name.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:41:14 PM #
Zaurus is $499, not to mention has built in SD/CF slots. That over time will cost less than Memory stick. And it plays real mpeg4, as oppose to some funny format.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:12:31 PM #
> I'm really interested in trying out a Zaurus at Fry's,
> Best Buy, or Office Depot.

I got to try one out at Circuit City. Very nice. Includes apps to work with MS Word, PowerPoint and Excel.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:20:20 PM #
Agreed, but this device will at least stop some current Palm users would otherwise migrate to the Zaurus. Of course, almost all of us have yet to use either device.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:36:51 PM #
All six of the current Palm (or I should probably say Clie) owners who will migrate to the NR series, are probably the ones posting here. This device in the long run will be a small fraction of 1% of the market. I suppose even that small number matters though.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:23:58 AM #
Palm and Sony users should shake hand. Both are doing their bid. Palm does not have enough money to put into R&D, so atleast in my opinion, their lack of innovation has an excuse. However the lack of innovation on the PPC platform is disgusting considering the fact that they have Compaq, Toshiba, HP & Casio on their list with gazillions of cash. I personally won't buy the NR series and will wait for OS 5 and an ARM based device. However I think the NR is good, we need a high end model. Right now, there is a Palm for every desired budget.

Palm m100 - $40
Palm m105 - $80
Palm m125 - $120
Palm m130 - $199
Palm m500 - $199
Palm m505 - $250
Palm m515 - $350
Sony Clie PEG-S360 - $199
Sony Clie PEG-T415 - $220
Sony Clie PEG-T615 - $399
Sony Clie NR70 - $499
Sony Clie NR70V - $599
Treo 180 - $399 (depending on airtime contract)
Visor Edge - $100
Visor Pro - $250
etc etc
This are probably the average price on the retail level/internet sales not the recommended price

The great thing is all of these runs on PalmOS. On the PPC level, the cheapest PPC 2000 model is around $300. There are other CE models that are around $100 but the softwares made for those are not backward compatible with the new PPC models with ARM processors. As for the Zairus, it's good, but it does not have the amount of 3rd party softwares available (yet!).

Go PalmOS!


RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 1:06:36 PM #
"However the lack of innovation on the PPC platform is disgusting considering the fact that they have Compaq, Toshiba, HP & Casio on their list with gazillions of cash."

Lack of innovation? what innovation do you expect exactly? built in fusion reactor? portable time machine? or zero emission motor?

Are you referring to the innovative "vibrating alarm" in m5xx? or the non existance "SDIO" application in Palm OS? how about file system and multitasking?

meanwhile, in PPC-land where innovation is lacking, people can install 256Mb internal memory/40Gig external, having a GPRS connection, browse the web, open and manipulate office file. Oh, and that dubious "multimedia" I suppose.

I am sure the world is in awe over the latest Palm Inc m515 'innovative' offering.

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
Timothy @ 3/28/2002 7:00:30 PM #
Of course, I'd also like to test-drive the new Sony, but my impressions right now are that the Zaurus would be the better PDA. At least it has a name.

Clie is not a name?

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
Timothy @ 3/28/2002 7:01:33 PM #
Of course, I'd also like to test-drive the new Sony, but my impressions right now are that the Zaurus would be the better PDA. At least it has a name.


SL 5500 is a name?

RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
Timothy @ 3/28/2002 7:03:14 PM #
"All six of the current Palm (or I should probably say Clie) owners who will migrate to the NR series, are probably the ones posting here. This device in the long run will be a small fraction of 1% of the market. I suppose even that small number matters though."

You can add me to those 6 (actually 20 MILLION potential upgraders who currently own Palms) and I am an Ipaq user who is sick, absolutely sick of this piece of junk. Mostly sick of it's pathetic OS.


...Wondering

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:00:33 PM #
I wonder how much of our commotion on this site, as well as the others (Clie Source, Palm Blvd, Gadgetter, PDA Live, etc.) had to do with Sony's ambitiously high price point?

As soon as someone figures out how to move the US O/S across a copper wire - everyone will be buying the Japanese version and cloning it.

RE: ...Wondering
higgy @ 3/27/2002 7:12:54 PM #
How many people do you personally know that reads these sites? Probably not even a blip on the radar of percentage of ownership of PDAs.

Higgy

RE: ...Wondering
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 8:13:01 PM #
Doesn't Ed keep a count of how many reads he gets on this site?

If only they could trim it shorter!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:37:40 PM #
I don't mind the thickness but these things are too long. I notice that there is some extra space at one end of the LCD which is not used for display. Wish they can trim that down!

Too many choices

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 5:41:22 PM #
Wow. What an awesome machine. But I'm feeling overwhelmed (and obsolete). There are way too many choices out there now. I remember the hype surrounding the release of the m505. Ah the good old days, when there was a new PDA only every 12 months or so, instead of every 12 days. Now there's no hype, no excitement, no pizazz, no media circus. I suppose this means that Palms and the like are more ubiquitous than they have ever been, which is a good thing from a techno-geek's point of view. But still I pine for the olden days that were filled with mediocre machines and over-the-top hype, promising that finally, finally, this Palm would be the Palm to end all Palms. Alas.

AM

Extended warranty?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 6:20:35 PM #
Anyone think Best Buy, CompUSA or any other place will consider the NR a replacement for a broken 610???
;-)

I am sooooo glad I didn't buy the 615 today before coming home to check my email and stuff! Now I can just save a few more bucks, wait for the targus stowaway adapter and look forward to a GREAT spring!

RE: Extended warranty?
higgy @ 3/27/2002 7:14:19 PM #
> Now I can just save a few more bucks, wait for the targus
> stowaway adapter and look forward to a GREAT spring!

Another life saved by consumer electronics! Now my evening is complete!

Higgy

RE: Extended warranty?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 8:36:08 PM #
God........I can't believe how insignificant the IPAQ seems now. Go Sony GO.

RE: Extended warranty?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:24:50 AM #
Oh, please. I love the PalmOS, but the iPaq has some heavy-duty capabilities that this Sony simply doesn't have, no matter how cool it appears to be. PocketPC is flawed, but it simply does things you can't do with a Palm. Personally, I think many of those functions are unnecessary, but the fact that it can do those things makes it significant, and your beloved new Sony doesn't change that. Sorry.

so, will I be able to use it as a phone?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 9:21:21 PM #
hint, hint

RE: so, will I be able to use it as a phone?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 3:54:48 PM #
no.


Clie

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 10:20:55 PM #
This SUCKS! You should all buy a Clie!

Oh wait....Sorry, force of habit. :P

RE: Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 10:33:02 PM #
LoL .. Just in case you are yet another one of those Palm Trolls who are pretending to be a Clie Troll, Palm's Handhelds does suck comparing to any same level of Clie currently.

So partialy you are right about everyone should get a Clie :)

RE: Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:00:09 PM #
Ha ha! Sony fans troll around even more than iPAQ fans, which is sayin a lot!

As for Sony offerings being better than Palm offerings at evey level, what you trolls don't understand is that it depends on the user. I own a T615 and an m515, but I pretty much only use the m515. The T615 sits in a drawer at home. I am considering giving it to one of my relatives. Hopefully she won't become a troll =].

A Poll on the Price Point?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 10:21:04 PM #
Ed,

Can you please make a poll on whether $500 & $600 Palm is too expensive for them?

RE: A Poll on the Price Point?
Admin @ 3/27/2002 10:42:01 PM #
Just added it as a new poll. Thanks for the suggestion!

-Ryan
webmaster@palminfocenter.com

Bluetooth Memory Stick

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 11:14:57 PM #
So when is the Bluetooth Memory Stick going to be released outside of Japan? This was announced with the NR series in Japan I believe but no mention with the US release? I've been waiting for this thing for ages!

Horizontal screen....

PIC mobile user @ 3/28/2002 12:34:39 AM #
Just an idea for Sony or Palm, etc., but how about having a fixed keyboard that is rotated 90 degrees like the Jornada 720 with the clamshell design.. This would have both Graffiti (vertical) or for a wider view use the keyboard options (horizontal). Obviously there would need to an application that would rotate the screen preference for all cases when switching from vertical and Graffiti to using the keyboard in horizontal mode.

future design thoughts

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 3:21:14 AM #
I love that Sony has taken (more) initiative in creating innovative designs and implementing features in their Clie's.

But I really have to wonder: what function does separating the base from the screen serve? Or, rather, what interesting features could be build into this base in the future? As it stands, it offers little more than a mini keyboard and the default hardware buttons. Other than that, with the screen removed, it's a big hunk of usable surface. What could be put on that surface in the future?

Could this base be detached? Would it be desireable to have a detachable (Bluetooth?) base?

The possibilities are endless! This model really makes it seem like it must be fun to be a Sony engineer. Well done Sony!


(btw- I'm on my 7th Palm. But this one really makes me take stock...)

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 4:12:41 AM #
I think this new Clie is really
a begining of a revolution.
Eventually, people will use a PDA as
their main computing platform.
PC will be a PDA's companion.

When you go to work, you pull out your PDA,
plug in into a dock to use a big screen
and full size keyboard.
When you go home, do the same with the dock at home.

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 6:49:15 AM #
"I think this new Clie is really a begining of a revolution."

Hilarious! Though your future perspective is an interesting one, this Clie does absolutely nothing to take computing in that direction!

NO FUTURE design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:57:38 AM #
Still the Palm / Sony cannot work with different file fomats neither email attachments (whatever merchandisers may claim - its not working ) - the old Newton could, and the Psion as well.
Naturally multitasking was at the former machine an board.

Newton & Psion where PDA working horses .

Today we get cheap (thought expensive in the shops) kids crap:

mp3, pictures and video for the most stupid boys around instead. Thats not what I call a revolution, its a jump back into the cradle / or stoneage of mobile computing .
A sad sad story for a long term PDA follower that PDA turn into Nintendo games for low class underaged, instead of refined tools.

The Sony marks the end of creative mobile computing and the vitory of BayWatch

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:59:14 AM #
If a PDA gets as powerful as today's computers (2Ghz, 100Gb HDD, 3Gb RAM etc), computers would get even more powerful. AMD has announced that a 3Thz processor is conceivable in a couple of years time.

*Wheeeze* ''Back in my day...'' *Cough*
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 1:15:52 AM #
"We had Newtons, and they were GOD'S GIFT. I used to sleep with my MP100 tucked under my pillow every night! Sure, it was so big you had to carry it in a holster, and it took them eight revisions to get the 'handwriting recognition' right, and the operating system was so bizzare that people who used it long enough are now no longer capable of rational thought..."
"Hey! Gary Trudeau used to advertise for 'em! For free, he loved 'em so much!"
"Well *hack* *Hack* At least I can still load stuff onto it with my Amiga!"

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 1:36:09 AM #
I owns a Newton. Newton definitely started a revolution.
But unfortunately, it has been a failure.
And Palm is a success.
Palm makes a PDA in a format that people
can accept.

IC is not that much different than a transitor at the
beginning, except it's smaller. It started a revolution.

For a PDA to be the main computing platform, it needs to solve the input, power and screen problem.
Input and power are not probelms for the current PDAs anymore.
and Clie NR makes a big leap in screen. That is why
I said it starts a revolution.
Without solving the screen problem, PDA cann't become
the main platform.

It is irrelevant that PC's CPU speed keeps improving.
206MHz ARM CPU is fast enough for most of our work,
except running Photoshop, etc. I guess. And ARM chips
speend are improving too. So that is why I said
PCs will be the companion of PDAs. You
only use it when you need to run Photoshop.
I have a 750MHz PC for quite a while. And I don't
think I need to upgrade to a 2GHz machine for a long time. You know when I think my PC is slow? When
I boot it up every morning. :-( And all PDA boot up
instantly.

In Asia, where most people don't have cars, they consider even laptop PC are very clumsy. I think they
will use PDA as their main computing platform sooner or later.

ted


RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:03:58 AM #
"In Asia, where most people don't have cars, they consider even laptop PC are very clumsy. I think they will use PDA as their main computing platform sooner or later."

Are you sure you know what you are talking about ~~. What makes you think Most people has no car in Asia. And I don't see how most people not having cars will make PDA the notebook replacement. While Laptop is not yet very successful as a desktop replacement, you already want a laptop replacement !?

if you think PC laptops are very clumsy, get an iBook, it's not clumsy at all.

I don't think Asian will use PDA as their main Computing platform anytime soon, while most of them think PDA is just a very expensive datebook, you are wasting your time even starting to think it'll be a laptop replacement.

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:15:53 AM #
"But unfortunately, it has been a failure.
And Palm is a success."

And Ironicly Both microsoft and Palm are working towards where Newton OS was in 1997. Now I really wonder was Newton a success, a failure, or just way too ahead of their time.

LoL and in case you didn't know you don't really BOOTUP your PDA, you just wakeup your PDA. there's major instability in your PDA if you need to reboot it.

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 12:21:54 PM #
Back to the topic - not many ideas so far on design thoughts.

A larger screen resolution is definitely a must for good display of information - eg. tables, graphs, websites, formatted notes etc. These suggestions have been made the suggestion for ages, including all the variations of 320x320, 320x480, as well as even more aggressive 640x480, and even beyond that with microscreens that fit on eye-glasses - of sxga and beyond. Samsung has already implemented a large screen albeit in a largish device called Nexio. It unfortunately uses WinCE as its OS and may have bad battery life BUT it does cram in WVGA of 800x480 into a 5.1 inch screen. Check out http://www.samsungelectronics.com/news/digital_media/com_news_1010561871750_001300.html. I am glad that Sony is speeding up the implementation of better and better screen technology before the advent of OS5. After that, Sony would probably leave all others as they warp into even greater resolutions.

A virtual keyboard on the other half of the NR70s will make it at least 320x960. May be hard to use though. I would like a device to cram in more resolution into a slightly physically larger area.

For the future, wireless transmission to a eye-glass type screen with voice input and control would obviously be even more mobile. And for even further into the future, lasers that create images onto our retina via eye-glasses which otherwise look ordinary, would be even less conspicuous. Of course, these would be via wireless transmission, and thought activated and controlled. I stop short of implants.

David

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 1:59:40 PM #
Let me answer some questions before back to design questions.

I visited Asia every year. Most people over there don't
have car because they use public transportation.
Even an iBook is clumsy if you need to carry it
around all day. Next time pay a visit to Hong Kong
and carry your iBook and you will find out.

My laptop already repalces my desktop PC as my main
machine. Main of my co-workers already do this.
I didn't realize it until I found out I haven't used my
desktop PC ( or Mac for that matter) for a long time.

ted

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:12:03 PM #
Newton is for sure a failure.
The reason why it failed is up to each person's view.

Their vision is great. But the technology at that time
cann't make that vision an acceptable realty
to PDA users. And the Newton team doesn't make
the right tradeoff between functions and form factors,
weight, cost, etc.

ted

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:21:16 PM #
As technology improves, power should not a problem soon. See how mobile phone battery usage get
longer and longer pretty quickly.


The screen is the main problem. They can pact more and
more pixels into that screen. But the viewing size doesn't change if they make it larger.

I think for most usage, 320x480 is enough. (address book, appointment, etc.) But other times we do
want a larger screen, say, when we view photos,
do programming, or even running Photoshop. In that
case, we can somehow pull out the other half screen
to make it 640x480.
I don't know how this can be done.

I think 640x480 is better than 320x960.
Maybe they can put the hinge on the side instead of
the top.

ted

RE: future design thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:37:16 PM #
if they don't make it larger. :-)

ted

Reflash ROM

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:19:36 AM #
Do you think it might be possible if I buy this model from Hong Kong now and reflash it with the the English ROM later.

RE: Reflash ROM
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:27:39 AM #
Anything that hasn't been disproved is theoretically possible.

Based on past experience, I think you'll probably be able to re-flash to ROM to the English version. It seems like a big risk to save a hundred bucks, tho. If anything goes wrong, you are ether stuck with a CLIE in a language you don't speak or, worst case, an expensive paperweight. Re-flashing the ROM will end your warranty. Wait, if you buy it from Hong Kong, I don't think you get a warranty at all. Not unless you take it back to Hong Kong for repairs.

RE: Reflash ROM
big_raji @ 3/28/2002 9:31:42 AM #
Probably. Two problems with that though:

1. You probably won't be able to flash it until long after the US Clie is available for awhile. The warez people still need some time, and you'll have to search warez sites for it.

2. The Clie will be utterly useless to you until you can flash it, unless of course you can read the language...

---
If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.

RE: Reflash ROM
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:35:13 AM #
Wait...the Asian model SHOULD have an English ROM too since Singaporeans, Malaysians, Thais & those from Hong Kong does not speak Japanese.

RE: Reflash ROM
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:39:16 AM #
Well, atleast you still can install English apps on it and read it. For the built in apps, I can use ActNames which is in English.

Sony's numeric policy

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:45:05 AM #
NR70 not the top model? Might be...

based on my past experience with Sony products, I can tell you that this model might not be theie top flagship model. it might be...for now...but I can see a similar pattern here that might suggest so.

The '3' series is marketed for the low end market
The '6' series, right now is for the middle end market
The '7' series, is currently for the high end market
I believe that once OS 5 is released, Sony might release a '9' and '5' model. This is very very similar to their pricing policy on Minidisc players where the '9' models are the best and most expensive and the '3' series are the lowest in price (and also the bulkiest). The move to using magnesium casing is also another give away. High end Minidisc players on Sony's lists uses Magnesium, whereas the lower end either uses plastic or aluminium. Who knows, i might be wrong, but I do think they should release a very high end model with Titanium casing in super thin form factor.

NR series problems . . . .

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:49:01 AM #
Anyone hear about problems with the NR series units . . I ran accross this posting on another board. It mentions software problems, I assume with the APIs . . .

http://www.palmblvd.com/boards/sonyclienr70nr70v/messages/53.html

RE: NR series problems . . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:57:04 AM #
in www.spug.org, you can see pixs of corrupted grafitti area...the API does not seem to be working as good as the Handera's 330 API. Maybe...I will wait for OS 5. Atleast the API is standard.

RE: NR series problems . . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:06:11 PM #
> I will wait for OS 5. Atleast the API is standard.

The idiots at Palm Source are doing nothing to standardize the APIs for hi-res or virtual graffiti support in OS 5. So, don't expect anything there.

RE: NR series problems . . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:07:54 PM #
Where are these pics on spug.org? I couldn't find them.

RE: NR series problems . . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:09:30 PM #
In terms of application problems, you will see more in OS 5. I guarantee.

Can you have a Palm 505 AND a Sony Clie on the same PC?

Cheetah @ 3/28/2002 10:46:59 AM #
I would love to buy a Sony, but think it's size and battery life might make it difficult to replace my trusty 505. Can you put two PDAs on the same PC without causing sync nightmares?

RE: Can you have a Palm 505 AND a Sony Clie on the same PC?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 11:21:58 AM #
I installed my 615c and then brought my wifes old palm 3xe home and setup the sync for serial and usb and presto - it worked like a charm.

however I do believe that the newer palm os has programs such as expense and notepad that are not part of the sony-palm os. I think here it might work by installing your m505 first and then adding your clie.

RE: Can you have a Palm 505 AND a Sony Clie on the same PC?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 11:35:34 AM #
In my computer I have a Palm 505 and Sony clie 615. When I installed the new software from Sony it wouldn't allow me to hotsync. So I reinstalled the old Palm software and it finally allowed me to hotsync. I guess there are some issues with Sony's software.

for sale

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:11:42 PM #
for sale brand new (three week old ) 760
figures just got it now they comeout with the new.

cool but

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 12:50:00 PM #
it needs a cell phone in it too. if it had that, I'd buy it in a sec. till then i'm stuck with the handspring

Now Palm is going to cry....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 1:56:37 PM #
Don't mention the NR series, even a discontinued model of Clie; the N760C; is better than Palm m505 which just released weeks ago.

Except the size of RAM (m515 has 16MB and N760C has 8MB), this is the onmly thing I see that they are able to "innovate" !

Can they ever catch up? Can they start to design something new other tham painting their Palm into different colors?


RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 2:29:28 PM #
Other than a higher-res screen and some built in MP3 support, what exactly has Sony done to innovate?

RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 3:28:25 PM #
Palm is going to cry all the way to the bank. The NR series, while very cool, costs way more than most people will pay for a handheld. The cancellation of the N760C (which people could afford) to be replaced by these (which people can't) just means more sales for Palm.

RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 6:23:56 PM #
>Other than a higher-res screen and some built in MP3 >support, what exactly has Sony done to innovate?

Have you noticed that you're talking about something which were done by SONY **one year ago** and Palm never able to do touch the edge of it even till now?

And you missed another great thing for those users who use their PDA between home and office -- MS Import (it sets your expansion card as a removeable hard drive on the PC, you read/write/edit files just like any other hard drives)

RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 7:56:07 PM #
I use my Clie T615 as a 128Mb USB drive to copy files at work, its fast and so practical; I already ditched my zip drive. And its hot-swappable!
Can your Palm do that?

I don't think its fair to compare the Clies with the Palms, the former is aimed at the high-end market, the latter one is more for the mainstream user, people who just want an electronic datebook and address book.

RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
orb2069 @ 3/29/2002 3:30:12 PM #
Have you noticed that you're talking about something which were done by SONY **one year ago** and Palm never able to do touch the edge of it even till now?


And it was available on version 2 of WinCE. Hell, half of it was available on the Newton. Please. How do people get so easily sucked into Microsoft's little pee-pee measuring contests? "WE'VE got more fe-churz than you do. You Suxors. We Rooole."

Palm's trying to remain faithful to their market, which hinges heavily on pricepoint and utility - Sony is trying to remain faithful to theirs, which the NR70 is a perfect fit for, if a little large/awkward.

And you missed another great thing for those users who use their PDA between home and office -- MS Import


MS Import is more usefull for selling memory sticks than anything else. For the price of 100mb of Memory Stick and an extra cradle, you could buy a pair of Zip drives and shuttle files all day long with a format that won't leave you up kaka creek if you drop your CLIE - You can stop in at almost any copy shop and use a Zip drive. And a low-end CDRW drive is under $100 - 700MB is a lot of memory stick. And on the smaller end, PC's are largely still equipped with floppy drives, which are hard to beat on either size, price, or platform independance. I guess it might be usefull for mac owners, but AFAIK, it dosen't exsist for the mac yet.


I /am/ the eggman.

RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 1:59:13 AM #
>Palm is going to cry all the way to the bank. The NR series, while very cool, costs way more than most people will pay for a handheld. The cancellation of the N760C (which people could afford) to be replaced by these (which people can't) just means more sales for Palm.

Whoa!! Who said the NR series will be replacing the N700 series? There will be a ANOTHER new clie in the $400-450 dollar range in the next few weeks. That will be the one that will replace the n700 series not the NR.

What a waste of money

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 2:51:58 PM #
What is wrong with a notepad and a pencil with
an eraser?
Donate half the money to children in need and you will
rejoice more with the smile of a human being than a
flashy piece of plastic.
My 2 cents.

RE: What a waste of money
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 3:42:25 PM #
Magnesium. Flashy piece of magnesium.

In my experience you don't see smiles when you give needy human beings money (at least, needy American human beings). You see scowls and hear demands to know why you didn't give more, sooner. You become expected to provide more in the future on a regular basis.

Needy American humans seem to believe that being needy is a job for which they should be paid. The last straw for me was when I gave a guy on the street a couple of bucks and he made a comment about how he should go back to armed robbery. Give a $20 tip to a waitress working for minimum wage and you'll get a smile. Give $20 to a panhandler on the street and you're lucky if you don't get spit on. In short, I've been forced to drastically reevaluate my estimation of the innate value of human beings.

You want a lasting smile, you tip well for good service and take pictures of them with your NR70V.


RE: What a waste of money
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 3:57:17 PM #
its magnesium alloy, not plastic. get it right.

RE: What a waste of money
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 5:12:30 PM #
Dude, I just did what you told me to do. I gave my $599 to the guy on the corner of 53rd and Madison, you know the 'ole fart that says he's a friend of Dolly Madison. As I gave it to him, he said, "Now I've got enough for one of them Sony NR thingies...."

That's depressing

RE: What a waste of money
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 7:01:13 PM #
I suspect your just a troll, since why else would a you be hanging around a PDA oriented web-site. But I'll reply anyway.

Why not just replace you computer with a typewriter?
That's the equivalent analogy to the one you made.

There are things that you can do on a PDA that you can never do on a pad of paper. The whole argument is so incredibly silly. I don't know a single person who uses their PDA just to take notes.

application buttons.

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 3:57:55 PM #
has anyone noticed that you dont have access to the application buttons and scroll buttons after the keyboard is covered and you are using it as a regular pda??? that sux big time.

RE: application buttons.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 4:04:02 PM #
When the keyboard is covered, you'd use the jog dial instead of the scroll buttons. All the functions of the hardware buttons can be done in software as well.

RE: application buttons.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 9:29:35 PM #
sometimes i like pressing the address button to go directly to my address book...this also means that gamers will have a harder time playing games, being that you dont have access to those buttons when the pda is closed with the screen exposed.

RE: application buttons.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 10:18:32 PM #
Yeah, you don't have a screen cover when you have the NR-series configured as PDA either. You have to flip-twist-fold the keyboard back over it. It is totally useless as a PDA as far as I'm concerned.

RE: application buttons.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 7:40:57 AM #
When the screen is covering the hard keys - the soft graf areas has soft-hard buttons (if that makes sense!) for the address book etc.

T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 4:41:40 PM #
The T615C had the shortest career since that Pope that got poisoned...

m515 is DISCONTINUED says CircuitCity Rep
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 5:15:44 PM #
those losers who work on CC BB etc don't know anything about anything they are just working for the minimal wage, one of them told me that the new NR70V will support Pocket PC and Palm OS!!

RE: m515 is DISCONTINUED says CircuitCity Rep
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 5:49:34 PM #
The guys at BB said his system said the T615C is being replaced by the NR series. There was a drastic price drop - I think it ws $349 -$25 Rebate for the T615C so I tend to believe him. My m515 may not have hi-res, but I'm glad it's not discontinued. Good luck finding peripherals support for your T615C, 610, 710, 760's........

RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
Timothy @ 3/28/2002 7:12:01 PM #
Well, I know that no minimum wage BB Rep was ever mistaken about anything ever before, so this must be right. RIGHT. Sony didn't discontinue the N760C &Co. No, that would make too much sense. Their T615C sells well and millions more want to buy them in the coming months, but Sony doesn't want their money. No, Sony is instead leaving themselves with two PDAs at $200 or less and two at $500 or more. RIGHT.

RE: m515 is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 7:48:52 PM #
"The guys at BB said his system said the T615C is being replaced by the NR series. There was a drastic price drop - I think it ws $349 -$25 Rebate for the T615C so I tend to believe him. My m515 may not have hi-res, but I'm glad it's not discontinued. Good luck finding peripherals support for your T615C, 610, 710, 760's........"

I just came home from BBuy, the T615 and m515 are $399 each and ALL PDAS have a $25 mail in rebate this week.
Amazing how a single individual can start false rumors in such a dramatic way "T615 is DISCONTINUED says...." , based on ignorance. The fact than you can't afford a Sony doesnt mean you to post false statements.

RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/28/2002 8:22:24 PM #
Relax. This is what the guy at BB told me and it seemed validated by the price I saw. I guess we'll see soon enough.

RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:24:53 AM #
LoL Trust a guy at BB, I'd rather trust an employee at BK (burger King) for computer stuff. Any human being with a little bit common sense will know that guy's talking about the N7xx series. That's like saying Apple just discontinued their LCD iMac system.

RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Roman Catholic Church
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 5:41:06 PM #
hey, it's good friday....

Pre-order NR70 for $475, NR70 for $565

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 2:38:49 AM #
This guy takes pre-order for USA and Canada customers !!


http://www.clie.info/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13633

I've figured out why Sony charges so much!

orb2069 @ 3/29/2002 3:07:24 PM #
The amount of money you spend on a PDA determines how much of a zealot you'll be for the platform.

  • $100-$200 - "This works for me now. Maybe I'll get something else later."

  • $200-$250 - "I really DO have a nice PDA. It does nifty stuff. Let me show you."

  • $250-$350 - "I obviously know more about PDAs than you do - Isen't mine great?"

  • $350-$400 - "YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT FOR BUYING SOMETHING ELSE! Only THIS PDA can (send faxes/play MP3s/coordinate geosynchronous death laser platforms/display tiny sections of 400x200 spreadsheets/random 'cool' but marginally usefull task)!!! HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT IT????"

  • $500-$1K - "I WILL KILL YOU FOR BESMIRCHING THE HOLY NAME OF MY DEVICE! Everything else is just a cheap derivitave toy for losers! MY PDA was given to mankind by angels!"


This explains a lot of things - particularly why the Newton (Original sale price, $1K+) fans are STILL waging some sort of holy jihad, and PPC users spend so much time crusing opposition boards to just fling insults.

Sony is obviously overpricing their product to take advantage of this phenomenon - In a few years, they'll have thousands of ready-to-die-for-their-PDA shock troops, armed with CLIEs(Is that the the correct plural? Should it be CLIE in plural, too?) and pointy stili, ready to take over the United States...

I /am/ the eggman.

Strong Opinions Sought

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 6:53:39 PM #
We are always asked, "Which Palm OS Powered device should I get?". The answer has always been, "Depends". It depends on what you want to get out of it. We have created this tool to allow you to search the existing Palm devices that are on the market for the features that you want. Based on your needs and desires we can then suggest what might do the trick for you.

http://www.palmloyal.com/store/exec/search.cgi

Guys, take a look and let me know if it is effective. How can we make it better?

P.S. The NR Series looks to be a great device.

Carl Brooks
http://www.palmloyal.com

RE: Strong Opinions Sought
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2002 8:04:45 PM #
You may want to add a "Closest Matches" by % Result.

where is firewire

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 12:36:41 PM #
Why don't they put a firewire sync option on these machines?

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