Comments on: Sony PEG-NR70V Review

Me too! I hope that Sony can make for me a complete wireless package, with multimedia a plus. Hi-Res is always impressive though.

When you hold it in your hand , you will understand how beautiful this thing is .

Of course, no handheld is for everyone.

For me, though, this is one sweet device. Sony has managed to pack features into this device that I never thought would be possible.

Stephen

If you carry a pda, a mp3 player and a thumb keyboard like me, this is definitely for you. Not to mention the great 320x480 screen and the small camera for fun. :D

It's really beautiful model, but is big. It demonstrate what a Palm os device can already do. It's for people who likes geek and it's a model that could be considered as a preview of next Os5 Palm models, for people who can't wait for os5. But it will be old very soon.

Who do not know Porsche is beautiful, but I am in the market for a pickup! So Sony please make for me a pickup and I will jump ship.

I own a software development company and am constantly buying and trying new tools in an attempt to streamline business processes for my clients. I started on a Palm 500, then to the HP Jornada 540, then Palm IIIc, then IPaq, and recently a Sony Clie NR70/V.

All of our PC development is done with MS Access, MS Visual Basic and SQL Server, and these are great. However, IMHO, the palm built-in apps are far more elegant than their PPC counter parts. (Little things like being on a time and using slash-L to pull up contacts and paste onto meeting)

Now with Kinoma (great movie software) using the full Clie wide screen. A fantastic MP3 player. The best looking Ebook reader you ever seen. The camera, while low quality is just plain useful because it’s always in your pocket. (note the pictures you take can be linked to people in your address book (a Sony mod.)

The Clie NR70/V is a powerful tool for business and fun. $599 is a deal!

Hello, well I got the Clie a long time ago and still works! original battery. Anyway, I lost the CD and my laptop recently died erasing all my software.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL CD?
If you have it, can I borrow it? buy it?
My email is:
kahlily@hotmail.com

Thanks!

Agree ! An excellent review and handheld. I got NR70 from CompUSA two days ago, the only thing I can say is WWWWOOOWWW !! The screen is so GREAT and close to the original's quality. The battery is not bad either , I got 6 hours before it reaches the limit 3.52v , it's definitely better than T615c and equal to m515.

I bought mine in UK last Friday and when I charged it I noticed that the screen flashes 3-4 times in quick succession when I tap any of the applications.I returned the clie today and exchanged it for a new one, I finished charging it and would you believe it, the same thing has happened again. Any ideas??

You can get it from here:
http://www.muchy.com/review/pagedownhack_1.html#webclip

The developer is Japanese and this page is in Japanese, too. The link is up near the top.

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Check out this list below. Page Down Hack link is under Utilities.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4806

The latest version..

http://andmore.jp/mobile/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=8

I bought the NR70 after anxiously awaiting its arrival. It was great but lacked the buttons when used in the flip over mode and tapping on the launcher everytime I used my 4 "button apps" (ActionNames, Phone Log, All Time and Bug Me) was just too cumbersome. Thanks Ed for alerting us to Page Hack. It is exactly what I was looking for. It is terrific! A definite lifesaver and will allow me to keep my NR70. It would be nice if PageHack could "imprint" a box instead of the "virtual box" so you could see it.

I just got my NR70 today and downloaded the "pagedown hack". Nothing seems to be happening as was described. I am using Hackmaster to manage it all. Can anyone shed some light on how the pagedown hackis supposed to work? Thanks!

You have to configure the soft buttons in the status bar. In X-Master, you just tap the "Configure" button and experiment...

Thanks for the info. It seems that you need to use X-Master and not Hackmaster.

Sony has actually released the Bluetooth module in Japan and it do not mind to pay more you can get from Brando. Driver files support English as well.

a dual stick slot. What good is a BT mem stick if I have to take out the my stick with my programs on it to use BT..

C'mon Sony wise up!!

Does anyone remember the website that showed some SONY Memory Stick concept designs, including a dual slot PDA?

Thanks, Robrecht

Hmmm... so what is so crazy about wanting dual slots? Seems like everyone loved it with HandEra. Everyone loved it with the Newton 2k/2k1. I'm thinking that dual slots would make the unit that much more interactive... but then I use mine Sony every day all day not just to keep addresses.

From what I read some bluetooth cards are arriving with memory on them. I agree that is what is needed if they don't have dual slot models. that is why I odered the V model. I don't think a single slot model with the camera installed is optimal.

The NR70V works well with the Bluetooth memory stick ( PEGA-MSB1 ). It does not stick out nearly as badly as the Bluetooth SD card does on the Palm M515. GPRS connects much quicker than regular GSM dial up. Don't use the install program on the Japanese CD. Install the .prc files manually. If you want English support, ignore the files that have _jpJP in them

Looks like the first BT MS released from Sony doesn't have any memory.... :-(
Hopefully either Sony will come out with a v2 BT MS card with some memory on it (and a good way of transfering files from one MS to another... perhaps like the old DOS XCOPY <g>) or a BT MS card in the same footprint as the standard MS card plus 128mb so I can leave it in all the time (and disable BT to save the battery when I don't want to communicate)

I did consider it but the Treo has more of a built-in flip cover than a "true" clamshell design. The only thing that's on the flipcover part of the Treo is a small speaker. To my mind, a clamshell design means the screen is on one side and the keyboard on the other. Of course, your millage my vary.

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the treo just has a hard flip cover - the keyboard and screen aren't seperated into 2 halfs.

palm IIIc could also be a clamshell design too by your definition D

Alan
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Read your manuals before you ask!!

Don't forget the handera 330, by your definition of course.

And the whole Palm III family ...

and palm m125, 130

Although these are great reviews, but the average person can't afford this product or many others. The price is just too big.

Hope you don't mind the duty, exchange, and shipping charges. I tried ordering one, and after doing the math, the NR70 would've cost CDN$15 less than buying the NR70V when it comes out here.

I'm not giving up a camera for CDN$15.

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That is not the way it worked out for me - to order the NR70V (of which I dont need the camera anyway, and the NR70 is not available in canada)from either futureshop or sonystyle.ca would cost $1148.85 CAD. To order the NR70 from ecost to my door is $890 CAD. I have to pay taxes either way, the handling was about $20 and the express 3-5 day shipping was only an extra $9.

I don't follow your math?
Anyway - it doesn't really matter - mine is likely in transit.

The NR70V from ecost - 549.99 (US retail)+ 328.89(exchange) + 19.42(handling) + 12.83(3-5 day xpress shpg) + 134.29(taxes) = $1045.42 total to your door in canada. Versus 999.99 Cad plus $150 (taxes) = $1149.99 from futureshop or sonystyle.ca - savings from ecost $104.57 - worht it for sure

The NR70 from ecost - 469.99 (US retail) + 281.05(exchange)+16.68(handling)+ 15.56(shpg)+ 114.91(taxes) = $898.19 total to your door in canada. Versus no availability from Canada, but based on your post - your math does not add up - $251.80 less for the NR70 from ecost vs NR70v from futureshop or sonystyle

I imagine you work for sony or futureshop, because this is a far better deal.

i am in the UK, i want to order one from the US (cheaper and Sony won't sell it here till next month - for a more expensive price and only the V model). Most e-companies does not deliver outside US, do you know any. Thanks.

RE: Getting hold of the nr70v in UK

I also did some homework to see if it is worthwile shipping the nr70v from usa to uk, and found one company willing to do this from NY:
FOCUS
+ 171 88 717 600
FAX 718 438 4263
EMAIL wholesale@focususa.com
NR70V is priced at $579
I don't have the price for the nr70 .There is a problem though, I was told by Sony uk that if the unit was faulty they would not consider repairing it since it comes from the usa.
I have decided to order mine from expansys in Manchester
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PEG-NR70V
and hope to get it in 5 days :):)

Mark, there's not much more to say. The shadows are still there but I stopped noticing them after a few days. They aren't dark, more like light shadows and only visible when the background is white. They appear at the very top of the screen when in clamshell mode. They are an esthetic flaw but don't interfere with the function of the handheld. Like I said, after a few days I stopped noticing them to the point where I didn't think to include them in this review.

Last week, I talked about them to my contact at Sony and he promised to take a look at my handheld when I shipped it back.

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This sounds similar to the rippling shadows on the 7xx & 6xx series.

My NR70V just finished charging (mere moments ago) and has the exact same rippling shadows that my T615 does.

I agree with Ed that it really isn't noticeable after a little while. It's more noticeable in clamshell mode since it's at the top of the screen. In tablet mode it's where the bottom bar is so it doesn't show.

No biggie.

Stephen

Same thing on mine. Glad to know I'm not the only one. And, like Ed, I've gotten used to the minor flaw. In most apps, the top line is menu bar, anyway - so nothing important is obscured.

I don't think this is a manufacturing defect. If you look at a sharp angle, you can see that the shadowing is caused by the positioning of the backlights. I've decided that I can live with it.

hi just wanted to coment that mine is the same , shadows on top so do you think i shouldnt return it and buy it in other place or exchange it ??? , or it isnt a big deal I know it has more ups than downs but just asking to make sure thank u and best regards .

Gustavo

I was also puzzled by no reference to the dark lines. I have tried to buy the PEG-NR70 this weekend, but the lines are annoying. The first unit had 5 thick short black lines along one short edge. The second unit had 5 thick short black lines along both the top and bottom edges. They are fainter than in the second unit. They also line up with each other. (There may also be 1/2 of a black line along the top and bottom right edge in clamshell typing mode, but it is a little harder to see along the vertical edge.)

I am disappointed and will be returning the NR70 a second time this weekend.

Michael

Mine has the shadows only noticable in the clam shell mode also. Can't worry about it. mine was a gigt so I'm
keeping it. Maybe they'll do a recall , duh!
Floyd

Yes, there is a bluetooth MS module released in Japan. Just have to wait for it to come over or if cannot wait, get from Brando which is more expensive. The drivers support English OS as well.

Here's the link to the Bluetooth adapter on Brando's site:
http://shop.brando.com.hk/ms_bluetooth.php

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yes, just bought it for us$169+tax
the drivers are all in english, u just need to rummage thru the cd rom.

me

where did you get that price?

Please let me know

Thanks

where did you get that price?

Please let me know

Thanks

All database applications, and anything text based is just "forced" into Hi-Res, using 320x320, and the improved fonts. Games and other graphics intensive apps use low res mode, done by "doubling up" the pixels (actualy each one is now 4 pixels). This is of course assuming the apps aren't made for Hi-Res to begin with, those utilize the full power of the device. 90% of old apps though can be forced into hi res without a problem.
The NR series handles things the same way. Apps that are unable to take advantage of the virtual graffiti are just unable to "minimize" it, so it stays there like regular graffiti, aside from the inhancements (clock, battery, input echo)

90% of old apps won't be forced into 'hi-res' because although the Clie forces the apps to work in full screen, technically, its not hi-res mode. Full native hi-res mode won't come until OS 5.

Sony & Palm user

Technicaly if the fonts and buttons and all other on screen elements are HiRes then the app is HiRes =p

I have a IIIC and I have gotten into the habit of popping it in the cradle every night. When I'm on the road, I do the same thing with a portable charger. It's an easy habit to get into and I never have to worry about running out of juice. Of course, this assumes you don't run out before the end of the day. In that case, get a second recharging cradle for the office and pop it in there a couple times a day to "top it off". Don't get hung up over the battery issue. Where there's a will, there's a way...and there's always a way.

I used to charge my IIIc at night, even though it only needed it every other day because it was used so hard. If I stretched it by keeping the backlight low and avoiding games I could get more than 10 hours of total runtime on the IIIc. But then, the IIIc had a massive battery pack. I never cared about battery life on my first Palm, the IIIe, but even then it was once a week for the rechargaeables due to heavy usage and late night rounds of lode runner.

My former M505's got between 6 to 8 hours between charges. Just for kicks, I went on a battery marathon with my current device to see how far I could stretch it. The result? It ran for a total runtime of 15 hours and 51 minutes before the first low battery warning came up. Thats 31.5 days of use for the average Palmer! Of course it was not very much fun. Only a couple of the primary apps were overclocked, the sidelight was not used unless needed, and I avoided big games or video. A big battery hit came when I was having lunch with an an old friend. She wanted me to show her some apps and the resturant lighting was so weird that I put the sidelight on high for the length of the demos.

I'm not an expert on battery technology, but having been through 5 M505's, I found that I got the best battery life by performing the initial charge for at least 3 hours without turning the device on for the first time until afterwards. I would then use the Palm without charging it again until the low battery warning came up, then giving a full charge again and repeating the cycle two more times. I know, it should not make any difference, but the Palms I have "broken in" this way have held on to their charges about 20% longer.

Now, a battery life of 4 or 5 hours for the NR70V may seem short, but not when you look at what you get in return. That type of life was a big objection to PPC because there was no additional functionality that was useful for me... I would still be doing the same tasks until I would up with a dead device in the afternoon. With the Sony though, I think it would be worth the trade off. Granted, I would NEED a cradle at work to make it through the day, but if the need for the features out-strips the need for long battery life, then go for it.

my old PDA was the m505 and I did not have to charge it every day, only once every 3 days (I am a heavy user with e-book reading on the underground for an hour, an hour a night before sleeping, playing games, using datebook, running an overclocking program etc), since getting the T615 however, I had to recharge it every day. I once got from 100% to 30% in half a day. Dissapointed really, but still better than a PPC device. I do hope battery life will improve on future models even if they have to increase the weight to accomodate larger capacity battery.

Sony & Palm user

Having to recharge it everyday would be a hassle. Although recharging it every night is a little often, if you get into the habbit of it I find that it is no trouble at all. Charge every night and wake up to a nice refurbished unit.

I mentioned somewhere in the review that one of the drawbacks of entering text with the keyboard is you still occasionally have to pull out the stylus to tap the screen. It's equivalent to having to take your hands off keyboard of your PC to do something with the mouse.

Maybe its something for Sony to think about if they add hi-res+ support to the built-in apps.

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Just enter the four digits of the time you require, but perhaps you need to tap OK to get out of the time dialog.

Anyone try laptophack to avoid using the stylus?

I disagree because your information is out of date. Palm will introduce handhelds running on the same screaming fast ARM processors late this summer. Probably before HP-Compaq updates the iPaq or Jornada.

Once both platforms are running on the same processors, the only difference will be user interface and number of programs and the Palm OS has PPC beat in both categories.

It's off topic but PocketPC won't use AMD's chips. They use MIPS, while PPC only supports ARM.

I can see where you are coming from.. As a Palm developer, I've been getting very frustrated on how each hardware manufacturer has been "cutting their own trail" in regards on the technology they implement. Had been using an H330 for a while and the device itself is a marvel, but finding esential apps that work with the hi res virtual graffiti was close to hopeless. I think PalmSource greatest responsibility is to ensure that everyone decides on a standard way of doing things as to not segment the Palm sector into multiple small pieces.

Recently picked up the developer version of the Sharp Zaurus which runs an embeded Linux as it's OS and after being a die hard Palm guy for almost 5 years now, I must admit, I'm completely in love with this device. The nicest thing about it is that is has full support for PersonalJava or the J2ME standard. This menas so long as the platform supports the standard, any app writen for it should run on any device regardless of OS, screen resolution etc.. Once Palm moves to the ARM there should be a Java VM to allow us developers to write apps that work on all platforms and eliminate these segmentations.

I believe Ed stated that there was just a single application on the Sony NR that actually used it's hi res+ screen. This I think is pathetic...

you can pre order the X-scale jornada already. It will be delivered on May 15th. (see mplanet.com)

So it will definitely will ship first than Palm's OMAP. (LOOX also delivered on same time frame)

Do you have a link for the mobile planet page?

thx,
yankee.

There is one thing the Palm can't do that the PPC does twice a week. Lock up. I am dumping my Ipaq with its cool 206 MZ that locks up and keeps me waiting several times a week when all I want to do is jot down a note.

66MZ will be just fine.

Uh, the Palm OS running at 33 Mhz, let alone 66 Mhz or 200 Mhz is already "faster" than Microsoft's bloatware running on a 300Mhz chip, and that is a fact.

You're very, very mistaken about the state of things.

Anyway, what's wrong with competion, and people writing their own programs that deal with files in their own unique and specific way?

The only time there is a problem with "variation" is when there are multiple formats, ex: .jpg, .gif, or .bmp

Your point is completely invalid, and very communist.

You're also wrong (and so is every other nerd that loves PPC) about Pocket PC pulling ahead.

The MARKET determines what is popular, not a small percentage of dorks on a PDA website.

Most people....again....MOST people care about BENEFITS, not FEATURES.

This means that FEATURES like a 400Mhz chip (instead of a 66Mhz Palm OS), a video playing application, and other PPC staples offer no TRUE BENEFIT.

There is no BENEFIT to watching Spiderman on a PPC. There is no BENEFIT with having a 400Mhz chip. There is no BENEFIT with having a stylus that ejects out of the iPaq.

They are useless fluff FEATURES that don't BENEFIT the average American consumer, either because they don't need them, don't understand them, or frankly, don't care.

The funniest part about this whole argument, is that PocketPC will be dead within half a year. Tell me that you saw that coming 12 months ago....I think not.

Microsoft just wiped out all their PPC management. They're going to make one last attempt at pushing PPC, and then it's over.

That's not to say they won't re-group with a component-based strategy, like the Stinger phones, but this whole "all-in-wonder" miracle that Microsoft is trying to pull off is simply NOT what the customer wants right now.

The world would be better off if Compaq, Casio, etc. dropped PPC all together and started fighting tooth & nail for Palm OS presence.

yeah, he would love PPC to die wouldnt he, then he can stop complaining about why he cant play PocketQuake on his Palm, or why he cant play Wolfenstien, or Doom, or Snails, or Argentum!!!, or Need For Speed, or Ultima, or SNES games, or NES games, or Game Gear games, Turjah II, Genesis, Pocket Word, Pocket Excel(though i find them not to be that great, spell check is good on the other hand) or why he cant play a 320x240 DivX movie at 30fps with 16bit color, or better yet, stream it with a WiFi 802.11b card. Ms OS is bloated, so what, we can still do 100000 times more than you can. and dont say ive never used a palm, i was addicted to my visor deluxe. that is until i got my PPC. I mean, the guys a Gambit Studios are working hard on liberty, it just aint fast enough though... wonder how it would run on these new Clies... ohh yeah, cna you play monkey island? what about Quake II?? no i dont think so. And the Fujitsu Pocket Loox running at 400mhz will be out this month!!! think about the FPS!!!!

a gameboy advance can play even more games than your ppc and a lot cheaper too. On the other hand if you're looking at real apps then Palm wins. PPC can have hardware superiority until PalmOS 5 but even still the PPC is limited because it doesn't have competition in real apps such as Office suites because developers don't want to waste their time competing with Microsoft when it puts its own apps for free. Now once PalmOS 5 is out then ARM, hires, lots of memory (and not bloated away) are standard and PPC will no longer have any hardware superiority. But PPC never had any software superiority either.

Although both Palm OS5 and PPC use Arm processors,
PPC specifies devices with at least a StrongARM 206.
Have you seen a monochrome PPC?

The fact is, although OS5 will be switching to ARM processor there is still a lot of flexibility for manufacturers. They can have entry level OS5 machines with 160x160 monochrome screens with ARM processors running at 18Mhz or create the PPC challenging PDA. This is what PPC lacks.

"but the pocket pc will do everything palm will ever be able to..."

Games, yes.
Work, no.

How about giving us a demo on how you do Pocket Excel charts, or locking cells, or sheet protection, or demo all the font options in Pocket Word, or running multiple relational databases for a whole year and NEVER losing any data whatsoever. Better yet, how about creating a full blown relational database from scratch for a client base of 15,000 customers which runs faster and smoother than a $250.000.00 corporate product, and doing it on a device which runs for weeks without recharging and slips into your shirt product.

>> yeah, he would love PPC to die wouldnt he, then he can stop complaining about why he cant play PocketQuake on his Palm, or why he cant play Wolfenstien, or Doom, or Snails, or Argentum!!! <<

Oh, my god--looks like the resident PPC troll has spoken. Did you even READ the post, or were you too busy playing dumba** games? The average user DOESN'T CARE about playing games, movies, or mp3s on their PDA. The AVERAGE user wants something simple that syncs properly, allows some flexibility of programs, doesn't require battery charges constantly, and is relatively cheap.

In short, the AVERAGE user wants a PalmOS device, regardless of the manufacturer.

The HOPELESS GEEK such as yourself crabs that the new Sony doesn't even have enough features. They seek a PocketPC. Enjoy it. Play with it. Maybe they'll invent a j**k-off CF card so you can get work out some sexual frustrations...

hey its me again, the guy who started this sensitive topic. let me update some of those who think they know what they are talking about.

Windows is not going to give ppc one last push. if this were true, then why would companies spend large amounts of money trying to advance their products. If windows is going to die in the handheld market and only give it one more try, why wouldn't they start now. yes I know their ppc os can crash, but its not like my palm hasn't ever crashed either. whats wonderful about the ppc is that word, excel, media player, ie, etc are all included. not only that but its a microsoft os for a microsoft os. last time I checked, that gives them an advantage in compatability with the pc windows.

MIPS (at least i thought) is something from casio or toshiba or something like that. And it will be compatible with ppc 2002.

for all those defending palm in that all those multimedia features and fast processors aren't needed in pda's, please look at where palm is heading towards. Sonys hi res + screen is hi res for a reason. if these features aren't needed, then why are the palm os PDAs moving in that direction?

As for speed goes, video plays quite nicely compared to palms pdas. the palm os IS NOT FASTER than the ppc.

I didn't say PPC is dominating the market. It is however growing.

please research for yourself, don't be blinded by biased opinions.

Um....NO!

PDAs are not "headed" in the direction of multimedia and playing movies....only a FEW Palm OS PDAs are.

This is logical, as there are always going to be some high-end losers.....um.....users who want to play Quake on their PDA. Most people do not, and that is a fact. If it weren't true, then people would ONLY buy PDAs that are capable of playing games.

BENEFITS people, not FEATURES. BENEFITS.

THE MARKET HAS SPOKEN.

And don't even get me going on your assinine remark regarding PocketPC being as fast as the Palm OS. CLUE UP, BUD!

It seems like big desktops OS are in the process of nudging against the PDAs. The Sharp Zaurus runs linux under Qt, which are desktop OS. And take a look at the latest XP based Sony:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?U121256D

At some point PDAs and small "desktop" units will collide. PDAs will probably stop heading so multifunction, and instead desktops will shrink to take the multifunction responsibilities. PDAs will shrink into much better PDAs, 1 ounce sheets with 2 week battery life that don't do much, sort of like new age palm pilots.

the X-scale Jornada has been pulled out. HP will instead support the unusable ipaq. There is a monochrome PPC (ipaq - very ugly and costs $350).

When PalmOS licensees starts using ARM-based processors, users will no longer be confused by 'faster Mhz'. Right now, most new users goes for PPC because of being brainwashed by the Mhz factor. I mean look at Intel's domination - a 2.4Ghz, it looks big - but come on...it's slower than my XP +1800. The move to ARM was inevitable due to consumer ignorance in the Mhz race.

Now, video is still a long way. I have seen these video thingys on the PPC and its pathetic. The time to convert a 30 minutes DivX film to a size that the PPC can take is so long, you have to question these PPC trolls on why they don't bother watching it then. Why bother waiting hours to convert your DVD to DivX when you can watch it on your bloody PC. I mean the PC has a 17-21" screen, dolby surround etc and you resist watching it on the PC so you can watch it on your PPC? How sad...

The only time when videos will be good is when Wireless broadband takes off (5G? - like in 10 years time), and when we can watch the World Cup live on digital palm TV.

music is another matter, that is something I really really want and I am glad Sony is making headway into this arena.

As for Quake II, give me a break. Are you one of those sad people who hanged on to their 486s so they can play Doom of Wolfeinstein 3D??? Quake II on PPC is a showcase game, nothing more, nothing less and is totally unplayable. For a 1st person shooter, you need a mouse, I repeat - you need a mouse. If you are able to connect a mouse to it, fine, you still need a BIG sceeen. Do you go watch Spiderman on your pocket TV?

I am sorry, but the guy who said that the PalmOS is not faster than a PPC, go to a real-time research. PPC might be faster (bare bones and all without those flash 3D thingy) on a 206Mhz ARM processor, but seemingly in practical realworld usage, PalmOS is faster even on a dingy 16Mhz processor. Loading is faster, you don't have to worry about open-apps. You are the sort of person who would say that Windows XP is faster than Windows 3.x. Windows XP is faster because its capable of running on a faster processor. When PalmOS starts running on ARM processors (although 100-200Mhz slower than the X-scale), it will blow your PPC away.

Ok people. I use both Palm And PPC (Sony T615 and iPaq 3870) Let me know when your Palm can run AIM, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, ICQ Have 5 Internet Explorer Windows Open. Have Your Inbox open with Automatic Send/Recieve every Minute, and Still run smoothly. I do this ALL THE TIME. Also You do not need to convert videos so they will play on a PPC you are in Palm Land. (Oh wait I cant read this E-Mail attachment it isn't converted into Palm format.) I download the news in Mpeg format and watch it on my iPaq all the time. I dont need to use my desktop to convert it. I can Download Winzip Files and open them on my PPC! And this is with a 128MB SD card in and Connected With bluetooth to my Ericsson T68i Which Runs on GPRS!! Also I can read Any attachment that people E-Mail me. Adobe Acrobat? No problem. I don't need to run a stupid Converting program on my desktop first. SHEESH!! Get the facts right people!!!

And another thing. The iPaq is NOT Huge. Why are palm people sooo Picky about 1/100 mm difference?? Jeez like I'm reeeally going to notice that. ugh. this is what front pockets are for people.

NOT to mention The fact I can Video Conference with people In my backyard Connected to my wireless network!!!!

Finally I would like to remind people that I am not Biased. Please correct me if you find ANYTHING that palm can do I said couldn't. ANYTHING!! I am very happy using my Sony Clie. There is nothing wrong with Palm OS it is just not for Power users. Sorry!

why fight?
different machines for different purposes, and for different types of people.
try to love your own toys but not to step down others.
i have both a ppc and a palm.

andy.

Why would you want to play a crap versiono of quake on your PPC? Or any other game for that matter. PPC game developers are weak compared to the big PC and console game developers. I have Turjah2 on my ipaq 3835. It sucks. I'd rather play R-Type on the Gameboy.

I am selling my ipaq. It is horrible. I switched from an m505. At first I was impressed with the multimedia capabilities, but after owning it, I realized I didn't use any of those features. If I want listen to music I use my iPod. If I want to play games on the go then I bring my Gameboy Advance or my laptop. What pisses me off about the ipaq is the damn thing keeps locking up and I have to reset it. There are even times when my PC will not recognize it when I set it on its cradle. PPC is a POS!

So my ipaq is being auctioned on ebay... and I am getting aquainted my the NR70V.

I agree with Andy. I use a Palm because I don't need a lot of the stuff PPC's have and a Palm makes more sense for me. My brother uses a PPC because he has different needs.

On another note, THANKS to everyone who posted on this subject. You're making my research paper on marketing palms and the challenges Palm is facing a LOT easier.

Also, if you're really interested in what the market says, do a search on a recent study by Dataquest that not only gives market share, but shows estimated share for this year.

Thanks Again,
Jasmine

I also had a bad pixel on my first unit. I just got my second one but have not checked it. Both of the units that I bought didn't have a charge to them for me to check. Hopefully I will not have one on this one.

I also have a bad pixel. Is this a common occurrance like with laptop screens?

I just wanted to add to the thread that after about a month-and-a-half, I've just detected a bad pixel on the bottom left of my PEG-NR70/V. It seems to be a common problem after researching the issue on the Web. Sony stated the following to me in an email:

...However, in all LCD panels there may be a small number of pixels that do not change color. This is a normal occurrence for all LCD displays from all manufacturers and should not be noticeable or objectionable under normal operation.

Each pixel has 3 transistors, each transistor can be either blue, green, red or no color at all. When a pixel transistor fails, it can fail in one of two ways: either it will refuse to accept color changes and maintain a single color, or it will simply switch off, resulting in a small black dot on the screen...

My bad pixel happens to be red.

Heh... forget it for the short term. They've only recently released the T615. If you want a NR70V any time soon you'll need to order it from the US.

Available on the 13th June in Australia (I assume this is because it will coincide with the Consumer Electronics show, opening up at Fox Studios on that date).
If you order it before the end of today (7th June), from www.sonystyle.com.au for AU$1349, you'll also get free delivery and a 16Mb memory stick

I live in Chicago area. I visited CompUSA, Best Buy. They are still waiting for the first delivery. Does anybody know where can you get one in Chicago area?

Saw a 70 and a 70V in the display case @ the Best Buy on Lake-Cook & Waukegen yesterday.

Check Circuit City. I bought one there 24hrs ago.

Do you know what they sell it for in Canada and what store that would be?

cool lol

Seems like you could've bought a couple of TV's plus remotes for what you paid for this.

Don't tell me you bring remote controllers to pubs. It is all abt the convenience of having it when you need it (especially when least expected). The same thing goes for the small, no so great camera. Just like you don't buy a digital camera to leave it in the car in case you have a road accident. It is more likely you carry your PDA to a pub than remote controllers.

:) that's one of the funniest things i've heard

It's not really a *selling point*, but it definitely has its perks. I wish I had this in high school, but at least there were the geeks back then who had the programmed TI-85's and drove the teacher crazy. It IS convenient though because there are a gazillion ways to drive people crazy in the college dorms. =P

Yes....this is a good thing. I was in Hooters yesterday and shut all the TVs off at once. You should have been there. I was controling 5 sets at a time. The sports fans were going crazy

Where can i get a PEG-NR70V in england ?????

I'm not sure how you think this would work. Are you suggesting Sony replace the jog wheel with a joy stick? If not, how would you move the cursor side to side?

Maybe a new version of the LapTopHack?

>>how would you move the cursor side to side?

Cursor keys..? Also, on my Sony laptop the jog dial can be programmed

I really like the implementation of mouse control (clumsy as it is, but still...) in the new Palm foldable keyboard driver for the 500 series.

I faced the same problem with my T615. I had a N610 when the new T615 came, I hotsynced immediately using my old hotsync ID. As it turned out, the back-up feature not only loaded all of my old 3rd party programs onto the new unit, but also overwrote the new version of PGPocket with the old one. (The T615s were shipped with a newer version of PGPocket to include a button for CliePaint, a program not available on previous models.)

That may sound confusing, but what I ended up doing was performing a hard reset (restoring the original files to the T615) and hotsyncing with my PC using a new ID. Try a hard reset, and I bet you'll find that the correct version of PG Pocket is present.

Hope this helps.

The original poster and I, though a long series of emails, eventually worked out that is what had happened. He deleted the older version and the newer one appeared. Problem solved. Something to watch out for for those of you who use the same HotSync ID when upgrading your handheld.

I ran into something like this when I went from a IIIx to an m505 using the same HotSync name. The Palm Desktop installed some system files from the IIIx that eventually cased me some IR problems. I'd suggest everyone take a look at what's in your Backup folder before copying it all onto a new handheld, especially of a new model.

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I updated from the 760 and I can't even get the blue button on the botton to appear.Perhaps I have the older version of Photo stand??If I do a hard synch and delete all the files and then reinstall with the Cd do I understand that when I resynch I should have the newest version of Photostand and be able to display a bigger pic??Will all my files on my external be reinstalled with the resynch...I'm not technically oriented so sorry if my question is simplistic,thanks

Ok...I did a soft reset after I deleted photostand and I'm now on 1.3 photostand and 2.2 pocket.My previous versio on the 70 prior to the reset were 1.1 on Photostand and 2.2 on pocket..Can anyone verify for me that I'm currently on the most recent versions for both?Thanks.

Now,when I go to Photostand and play my slide show I get a totally clear screen but the pictures don't take up anymore space than before and there is alot of black above and below.An improvement yes but on many of the photo's I've seen displayed it appears the pics occupy most of the screen..Do I need to adjust settings??

BTW,I downloaded Worldmate and its really cool..I went ahead and purchased it...you get a 30 day trial,I recommend it to all.

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Without overclocking hacks (which I haven't got to work), I get about 1/3 of full speed, which is ok.

With other software, like the Nebulus demo, it just runs too fast even in slow mode.

Go for one of the 3rd party cases if you wear it on your belt. Targus makes a nice one, it's basically a holster. You slip your PDA out of it, and the case stays on your belt. Perfect for a clamshell PDA.

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why not a theclip ( http://www.theclip.com ). You keep it in your belt and rotate to remove.

-Dagger
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Here's one case:

http://xigma.jp/en/showcase/pda/Clie_NR70/index.html

wow 70$ bucks
I guess when you just paid 600$ for a pda 70bucks seems cheap?

waiting on the ups-man to deliver my nr70V,

bhang

I agree with the original author of this post. I also carry my palm on my belt and cannot see any other way of carrying it. Can't carry it in my shirt pocket or in my pants pocket. I also am waiting for a belt case for this unit before I buy one. I broke my first palm carrying it around without a case. I also would carry it around open with the display facing out. hence, the neccesity for a protective case.

Vaja makes some beautiful cases for the Sony.
http://www.vajacases.com/pda_eng.htm

YEA BUT NOT FOR $119.00 OR $129.00, BUT THE CASES DO LOOK REAL NICE

I would want a case for this but won't that only make it thicker and harder to carry? Although cases are useful, this product is too big and a case will only make it harder to carry.

The NR series has no sound recording abilities. If this is important to you, you might consider the HandEra 330.

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Does anyone know why HandEra is the only OEM to see value in adding voice recording capabilities. Is voice recording capabilites going to be more available in Version 5. I must be in the minority but would this not be a logical addition to the platform. HandEra makes a great PDA but the form factor is to big. I wouldn't want my PDA to be any larger than a the Palm Vx. Any comments?

Samsung's i300 includes pretty darned good voice recording capabilities.

The new SOny NX70V has voice recording capabilities

I think so. They have done this for versions here in Hong Kong but you loose the Sony Apps (plus have to pay a bit extra).

Still my advice would be pay the extra and buy in your home country. I doubt you will get a world-wide guarentee in Japan so if anything goes wrong . . .

Where can you download the OS? Why wouldn't it include the Sony APS? Arn't they on the American (English) version?

there are 2 problems with flashing roms to a nr70/v

1. finding the rom maybe hard, and finding software to create a rom from an english nr70v may prove quite difficult if pose cant do it.
2. finding the software to flash the hard to make/find rom to the jap. device, I have heard of an app in development called "chromed" that at some point may be able to do both of these tasks but AFAIK at this stage it can only flash roms to clie devices

I'm sure in a few months this would be a pretty simple operation to gain 2 megs flash, and I don't think any of the flash apps(jackflash,flashpro) have supported the nr70v vet anyway...

bhang

Its posible to convert a japanese Clie in Us os (in Ram) and use it without problem:
http://nr70files.webhop.net/
DansK

Its posible to convert a japanese Clie in Us os (in Ram) and use it without problem:
http://nr70files.webhop.net/
DansK

Hi I went to that site u put up, but it doesn't actually tell u what to download and how to upgrade the OS. Anyone else have any ideas??

that black strip is a part of the case

Should be fine in a jacket pocket. Also works well (for me) in front pants pocket. Definitely too much for a shirt pocket, though, unless you're REALLY big, and have REALLY heavy shirts :)

I keep mine in my shift pocket and it's not a big shirt. However, it would be more comforting if it fit in more snugly as you the feeling it would come flying out it you decided to go for a brisk walk.

Smaller than my Power Zaurus anyway :)

Actually, it would likely fit better in a vest pocket because it is narrower than the m505/515.

The thickness is exactly the same as the m515 with the leather flap cover on, and it is only about 1" taller- the portion with the camera and hinge protrudes over the height of the m515.

I used to carry my m515 in the Palm hardcase and was pleasantly surprised to find that my new NR70V actually has a smaller footprint in its clamshell.

The NR70 is a brick next to the m515, both in size and weight. Forget shirt pockets and jacket pockets - if CLies get any bigger, a back back will be necessary to carry them around. I'll stick with my Palm too.

I had a Palm Vx for a long time. I would carry it in my pants pocket and put my credit cards in the pocket too. The Palm was 4 oz and the credit cards 2.6 oz.

I tried the Sony 665 but worried cause out there the glass presses against your leg and the Palm screen developed some pressure effects. A color screen might go beserk.

So I like that the NR protects the screen from pressure from the leg.

The NR weighs 7 oz, the same as the Palm V with the credit cards. I put the credit cards in the other pocket.

The NR gives you the following advantages over the 665:

The wow effect. Let's face it, if you spend over 100 on a Palm, its greatest feature is that you can show your friends that you are tech-savvy. 70% of jobs that pay over $ 200K come from contacts. I am proud to be known as the guy who can wow others. Not with unending nerd talk, but with a few seconds of glory.

5 oz for the 665. for 2 oz you get: keyboard, camera, protection for the glass, bigger screen, wow effect. I carried a 665 in my pants pocket and a NR70 and there is no difference.

Shirt pocket? Not a good idea. Bend down and there it goes. Even a Palm Vx at 4 Oz will deform a shirt.

The NR70 is it. True, it is not perfect, but it has the wow, in the pants it is the same, and closed it is not presumptious in a meeting.