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Palm today has officially released the Tungsten T3 handheld. The T3 packs a brilliant 320x480 screen, a 400mhz Intel XScale processor and 64MB of RAM in a compact and functional design. The T3 prominently features the largest screen found on a Palm branded handheld to date, and double the resolution of any Pocket PC. Palm Inc's new top of the line Tungsten handheld with a large screen and small form factor debuts with a $399 price tag. Read on for the full review.
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First Post!

skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 12:11:15 AM #
Just after midnight EST...can you tell Ryan was anxious to publish this story? Very good review...although because some retailers had jumped the gun we already knew a lot of this already.
RE: First Post!
hvlien @ 10/1/2003 12:13:55 AM #
Yea, I agree. Very thorough review. I was tempted, but after hearing stories of the battery life, I think I'll stick with the T|T2 and go for the Zodiac later this year. The T|E is a great device though. When do you expect to have that review up?

Great Reivew!!
gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 12:51:37 AM #
Really nice review Ryan! Thif is the best one I've read so far! Great Job! I agree though it's disappointing Palm didn't increase the battery size in the T3 to something like the 1500 mAh found on the T|C. So many smaller devices like the Treo600 are coming out with larger batteries that I think Palm shouldn't have skimped on this one. Anyway, there's always something to complain aboutright? LOL! Overall, this is a very impressive device...

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RE: First Post!
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 10/1/2003 10:09:33 AM #
Nice review
TTrules @ 10/1/2003 6:13:13 PM #
Great review, great pda. Palm should make a version with wifi and bluetooth for an extra $75 or so. If they would do this, I would pick up the T3 in a heartbeat

One Palm to rule them all!

-Sniffer

New Palm Handhelds
wicked1 @ 2/10/2004 8:26:56 PM #
I was going to get a T3, but bestbuy discontinued them because they are waiting for the new models. Does anyone know if Palm has released new models besides the T3.

Thanx

RE: First Post!
arp @ 9/8/2005 7:37:13 PM #
Probably a little late, but I you're looking for something similar today I'd say go with the lifedrive or the T5.


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Oh yea!!!

Palm101 @ 10/1/2003 12:32:55 AM #
Awsome palm!!!

Its nearly perfect, only missing wifi...

RE: Oh yea!!!
statik @ 10/1/2003 12:47:41 AM #
I agree. Wi-Fi would be great! For as often as I need it, I think I'd prefer an external sled or case option.

Hey, what I'd really like to see is an external sled that gives me a compact flash card slot! Then I could plug in the wi-fi card of my choice.


Wi-Fi is *not* missing.
RAMd®d @ 10/1/2003 3:20:52 AM #
Giving it Wi-Fi would result in battery life measured in minutes, not hours. Palm made a smart move.

A self-powered sled would be a great option.

RE: Oh yea!!!
gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 5:44:55 AM #
Quote: "Hey, what I'd really like to see is an external sled that gives me a compact flash card slot! Then I could plug in the wi-fi card of my choice."

It called the Guyver sled:

http://www.hotsync.com.hk/guyver.htm

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RE: Oh yea!!!
Hooligan @ 10/1/2003 8:32:53 AM #
Has used a Guyver sled or at least found a review. From the website, it appears to be a little expensive and clunking for what it does.

RE: Oh yea!!!
froghat @ 10/1/2003 8:47:22 AM #
How come at http://www.palmone.com/us/landing/tungsten-t3_us.html

Palm says:

"Stay productive in the office, at your favorite HotSpot, or at home with built-in Wi-Fi:"

Are they using Wi-Fi in some new sense?


RE: Oh yea!!!
bcombee @ 10/1/2003 9:58:20 AM #
It says that because someone copied the template from the Tungsten C page and forgot to edit everything. :)

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RE: Oh yea!!!
mikeyts @ 10/1/2003 12:43:25 PM #
If SanDisk ever gets the OS 5 drivers ready for their WiFi SD card, we'd have a $130 solution to this problem--I could live with that. There's a review of the product in use on the PPC here: http://www.davespda.com/reviews/other/sdsdiowifi.htm ).

As for the additional power consumption, my personal app for WiFi is around the house, lounging on the couch on in bed--I keep Palm chargers at both spots. I'd like to be able to do light Web surfing and to control my Audiotron through its Web server.

RE: Oh yea!!!
mikeyts @ 10/1/2003 1:12:42 PM #
Addendum--I've found the SanDisk WiFi card (w/o memory, but who needs a memory card with a 15 ma standby power draw?) online for $88 ($102 after S&H).

RE: Oh yea!!!
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:11:24 PM #
>>>who needs a memory card with a 15 ma standby power draw?

I take it that's too high?!

RE: Oh yea!!!
JEMShoe @ 10/1/2003 7:34:16 PM #
RV Tec Guyver for Palm:
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TOO MUCH.
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I am simply happy with my T|T1. Best PDA ever made. With Jot Complete, SlideFree and McPhling, I never open my slider except to do a reset. Add a good launcher and mp3 software and it is the best organizer package around for the size, price and features.

Just need a good BT phone (may just opt for Treo 600 instead) and either the WiFi SD card w/ memory or that PDA Case with the WiFi built in

RE: Oh yea!!!
rened @ 10/2/2003 3:03:15 AM #
How would you estimate the batterylife with the Sandisk-Card? I would get this.
If the battery is 900mAh and the card uses 15mA (just standing by) that would give 3600 seconds (900*3600/15)????
Is that right?

RE: Oh yea!!!
mikeyts @ 10/2/2003 3:59:39 AM #
">>>who needs a memory card with a 15 ma standby power draw?

I take it that's too high?!"

According to a table in that davespda.com review that I cited, it's exactly 100 times the power draw of a normal SD memory card.

"How would you estimate the batterylife with the Sandisk-Card?"

I'm not sure whether your estimate is correct or not. Personally, I would try not to leave the card plugged into the PDA when not using it. I'd only need it for 5 or 10 minutes at a time.

RE: Oh yea!!!
Dmitri_J @ 10/2/2003 4:35:30 AM #
900mAh / 15mAh = 60 hours

I wish you good hangover.
RE: Oh yea!!!
dona83 @ 10/2/2003 7:10:36 AM #
I prefer Bluetooth over WiFi... with WiFi I'm stuck at Starbucks and McDonald's to access the net. With Bluetooth, as long as my Nokia 6310i with Bluetooth has reception, I have internet. I can be in the middle of nowhere and have internet. and Bluetooth draws a lot less power than WiFi. I am eventually going to get a WiFi card when hotspots become many and the price becomes lower.

RE: Oh yea!!!
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 11:29:13 AM #
Well, I don't know about the middle of nowhere but I still need a POTS modem on my frequent 3-day weekends in the Adirondacks!

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Oh yea!!!
cbowers @ 10/2/2003 1:31:51 PM #
15mA is peanuts, just writing to any SD memory card can use that. Bluetooth idles in that neighborhood as well.

I don't see you saying, "who needs a backlight that idles at 75-100 mA". It's just the cost of doing business, so to speak.

But nevermind the idling consumption. When actively transmitting, both Bluetooth and WiFi SD cards are going to use 75-300mA, depending on the card, with the majority between 100 and 200.

RE: Oh yea!!!
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:18:11 PM #
BTW, in NYC, DataVision has the Sandisk WiFi SD in stock. This is the one w/o memory -- and w/o, of course, Palm OS 5 drivers... http://www.datavis.com

RE: Oh yea!!!
mikeyts @ 10/2/2003 9:20:57 PM #
My point about the 15 mA is that, though it might not be that much, if the stuff in that memory is important to you, you'll want to have the card in there all the time, and I'd rather not, thanks. I guess that there might be things that you could put on the card that you'd only use when you use WiFi, but I can't imagine what.

As for preferring using Bluetooth with a phone for data, I'd actually like both options. The WiFi is for use on my wireless LAN, not random hotspots outside.

RE: Oh yea!!!
hotpaw4 @ 10/2/2003 9:39:20 PM #
someone wrote:
> Well, I don't know about the middle of nowhere but I still need a POTS modem on my frequent 3-day weekends in the Adirondacks!

Infrared travel modem. You can find them on eBay. Advantage is that one modem will work with any Palm or Sony model (OS3 or newer). You still need to be near a phone jack to use one.

RE: Oh yea!!!
mikecane @ 10/3/2003 4:10:33 PM #
I myself was thinking of the plain Sandisk WiFi SD, sans memory. I mean, hell, the TT3 has 64 reaking megs. I should be able to put on a document I want to xmit via WiFi. (Ha! Famous last words as I just got through playing with a CLUX that gave me a warning message when trying to load http:/www.tvgameshows.net !)

and finally our wait is over!

a3 @ 10/1/2003 12:39:24 AM #
I saw it today (yesterday) at Circuit City and let me say that since I am used to Sony's rather short battery life, there is no way I am going to let this awesome PDA be in the market without me owning it! but wait... my wallet does not agree!

On the other hand don't you think it is kind of strange that Sony never sold the 320x480 screen in a tablet shape and only after Palm has done so they are going to sell it? (wait a couple of weeks to see what I'm talking about)

On the other hand I apreciate the core PIM improvements, but I wonder if those changes will be backward compatible?

____________________________________________
Former Tapwave's Helix fan, now a T|T3 fan.

RE: and finally our wait is over!
skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 12:59:59 AM #
quote: On the other hand I apreciate the core PIM improvements, but I wonder if those changes will be backward compatible?

I seriously doubt we will ever see an OS upgrade for T|T's, and perhaps not even the T2. pa1mOne is a hardware company now who wants to sell more PDAs, not give people a reason to keep what they have. Just like the PPC makers who didn't release Windows Mobile 2003 for their older models, pa1mOne is using planned obsolescence to get us to buy new (even when the current hardware can support an OS upgrade).

Can someone tell me why upgradeable flash-ROM is still even a selling point? I can't afford $400 every year just to stay current, but I'd be willing to pay $50 for a worthy OS improvement.

RE: and finally our wait is over!
JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 1:58:54 AM #
some PPC 2002 devices were offered upgrade kits for PPC 2003. I believe Palm might release an OS update for this. They offered OS updates for their previous PDAs (Palm V). We might need to pay for it though.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: and finally our wait is over!
dhaupert @ 10/1/2003 11:20:36 AM #
I have heard that margins on handhelds are down since the early years, so perhaps companies only make 100 dolalrs max on a device. If that's the case, charging 50 for an upgrade would make a lot of sense, since you know that far less than 50% of the previous buyers will buy the new device, and you will come out ahead on revenue.

It also makes users feel more confident in a manufacturer to know that they are not going to be abandoned when the next device starts shipping. That has to count for something in buyer's eyes! I know Sony has developed a reputation for not supporting any real upgrades and in theory that would preclude people from buying their devices, don't you think?


RE: and finally our wait is over!
march @ 10/1/2003 12:42:37 PM #
I have a Sony Clie and will not buy another simply because they will never be a possibility of an upgrade. Yeah they patch a couple of thing they add to the os but you pay alot for the original PDA. Palm on the other hand has provided OS upgrades. This makes me lean to the Palm devices not Sony. PPC's only got upgrades because they new relases were coming out right as MS release the new OS. brighthand.com had a couple of article that some PPC makes were not going to do the upgrades at first. Event then only certian models were eligable for the upgrade even if hardware was compatible.

The margin on OS upgrades has actually got to be pretty good. I would bet the PalmSource would help it's licensees to put together an upgrade. I also thought PIC had a comment from Pa1mOne saying they would support upgrades to OS6.

RE: and finally our wait is over!
Fernando @ 10/1/2003 4:23:17 PM #
Actually, I have been e-mailed by palm already and told that they are not planning to make Palm OS 5.2.1 available for us T|T users, paid or free. I posted this up on the forum a few days ago.

RE: and finally our wait is over!
JKingGrim @ 10/2/2003 2:36:34 PM #
Yeah, but if you were hoping for an update, would you buy from a company who never updates thier PDAs (SONY) or a company that has updated 90% of the time?

RE: and finally our wait is over!
mali @ 10/3/2003 5:02:14 AM #
What??? Sony coming with a new 320x480 tablet pda?

RE: and finally our wait is over!
JKingGrim @ 10/3/2003 2:43:40 PM #
I can't afford $400 every year just to stay current, but I'd be willing to pay $50 for a worthy OS improvement.

If you feel the need to have the latest PDA all the time thats your problem. Until a month or two ago, I was still using a IIIxe.

Hmmm. So SONY is finaly comming out with a VG tablet huh? Are you a beta tester, A3? Somehow, I don't think it will compete with the T3. SONY's work is to proprietary and over priced.

RE: and finally our wait is over!
cfujii @ 10/6/2003 2:36:32 AM #
Good review. I ordered on after reading this review. After I got it I noticed is that nobody sells a screen protector for this unit. I did some measuring and the T3 has the same sized screen as the Sony Clie NX-70 so I went down to Fry's (who, of course, didn't have a screen protector for the T3) and purchased one for the Sony (PEGA-SP70) and the fit was perfect. The down side is that the screen protector costs $10. The upside is that it's supposed to be washable.

Unfortunately I only have 10MB of RAM available. I loaded all of my Mapopolis maps on the handheld and it sucked all my memory. I wish that Palm would come out with a T3 with 128MB or 256MB of RAM...sigh

Ugh, the slider

orev @ 10/1/2003 12:51:43 AM #
I think this T3 is great, everything about it, EXCEPT:

The Slider!

It makes no sense. The point of the slider on the older TT models is to hide the grafiti area when you didn't need it. NOW, however, if I'm not using grafiti, I want to be able to fit more on the screen!

Leaving it open all the time is a pain and a complete waste of space.

RE: Ugh, the slider
iJITSU @ 10/1/2003 12:57:15 AM #
The slider is to reduce the overall size of the pda when carrying it, etc. not to hide the grafitti area. With the T3, you can slide the unit open and not only have the writing area for input, but can also collapse the writing area to reveal more screen for viewing pics, videos, spreadsheets, etc.

RE: Ugh, the slider
koolrain @ 10/1/2003 1:33:11 AM #
I hate to beat a dead horse. But what I want is a Tungsten E (E2?), tablet style, flip cover, soft Graffitti with status bar, portrait or landscape mode, 64MB ram, replaceable battery, and Bluetooth (don't need Wi-Fi or keyboard). Price this at $299, and I'm all over it! And I know I'm not the only one. Such a device would probably kill Pocket PC once and for all. But I think this is probably a dream, especially at this price point. Of course, Sony might do it first, just grossly overpriced upon release.

RE: Ugh, the slider
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 2:29:04 AM #
Just wait until the price of the T3 is reduced a couple times, and glue the slider open. Your wish.

The T|E as is killer competition for any PPC, as it already has a 33% larger display in terms of pixel count than any of them.

RE: Ugh, the slider
Roberto_tores @ 10/1/2003 8:04:56 AM #
"The slider is to reduce the overall size of the pda when carrying it, etc."

I don't see the need for the slider. The Clie Sj30 series is the same size as a closed Tungsten and does not hides the graffity area.

Palm could have made it small without the need for a slider.

RE: Ugh, the slider
Hooligan @ 10/1/2003 8:35:10 AM #
I hated the idea of the slider right up to the day when I bought my TT. Once I had it in my hot little hands, I was sold on the concept. Palm has executed it quite well, too. The slider is rock solid and has a good tactile feel to it.

RE: Ugh, the slider
twrock @ 10/1/2003 8:56:30 AM #
Yes, it would seem that if Palm got rid of the extra casing needed for the slider and went back to the T|T's button layout, it'd be hardly any longer than in the current closed position. I'd prefer not to cover any of the T3's beautiful screen.
RE: Ugh, the slider
Tuckermaclain @ 10/1/2003 9:11:08 AM #
That slider is completely annoying. It would be sweet if it were a tablet (like the Z-71) with the 320x480 screen, 400MHz,64MB RAM, and BT. Maybe Palm will soon give us a Zire 91/BT. I'm waiting.

RE: Ugh, the slider
jthanpalminfo @ 10/1/2003 10:02:16 AM #
I don't mind the slider or the cover of my T2. The only problem appears to be dust and dirt. It's an awful sensation to pull it out when it's gritty! Every once and a while I blow the dust out using an industrial air can that we happen to have around the office. This helps a lot.

-Jonathan.


#insert

RE: Ugh, the slider
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 10/1/2003 10:12:34 AM #
Without the slider, it would be a huge device. The slider is needed, or maybe a flip device.

www.departmentofcomfort.com
RE: Ugh, the slider
Ozymandias @ 10/1/2003 12:45:08 PM #
With T3 its differnt. You can use the Graffiti-Anywhere. You just flip a switch on the status bar and you can write anywhere on the screen. You NEVER have to open the slider if you don't need the big screen
RE: Ugh, the slider
mikeyts @ 10/1/2003 1:17:23 PM #
"I don't see the need for the slider. The Clie Sj30 series is the same size as a closed Tungsten and does not hides the graffity area.

Palm could have made it small without the need for a slider"

Hmmm. Sony's keys are very much smaller, though (the keypad area is probably one third as long)--I like the T3's big keypad.

Not crazy about the slider but I can live with it.


RE: Ugh, the slider
Hazniet @ 10/1/2003 2:39:23 PM #
orev says:
"Leaving it open all the time is a pain and a complete waste of space."

You just answered your own question.


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If you feel like you're under control, you're just not going fast enough.

RE: Ugh, the slider
bleedingedge @ 10/1/2003 11:20:15 PM #
Thanks, guys. I'm glad so many of us can agree on this. No slider. Please give us a tablet design with this same sweet screen. A Tungsten E with 320x480. Man, wouldn't that be something? Sony didn't do it with this latest model and Palm came SOOOOO close to the perfect, perfect device. Why have this screen covered by a slider? I've been holding on to my m505 for so long I just might have to upgrade to the T3, but I don't want Palm to think I'm satisfied with this despite my giving in. Man, I think I'm more frustrated now than I was before.

RE: Ugh, the slider
wailly @ 10/2/2003 7:45:21 AM #
koolrain said,
"I hate to beat a dead horse. But what I want is a Tungsten E (E2?), tablet style, flip cover, soft Graffitti with status bar, portrait or landscape mode, 64MB ram, replaceable battery, and Bluetooth (don't need Wi-Fi or keyboard)."

Actually, that spec is already available - but not in english PalmOS. It's called Lenovo Pam168. Only avail in China though.

http://appserver.lenovo.com/Product/Product_PDA/Product_detail.asp?productid=1833



RE: Ugh, the slider
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:21:01 PM #
Wait one minute there. That Chinese PalmOS PDA is 240x320!

RE: Ugh, the slider
Tungstenman @ 10/4/2003 7:23:31 AM #
Well what most of you are saying, is that you want a palm with Pocket PC Specs. I agree. Palm should just imitate the dark side, and keep the great OS.
(if someone gets in my way, I will use them as my stool)
Forgive my typos, its just way too early


A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs
: )
-Steve B.

RE: Ugh, the slider
twrock @ 10/4/2003 1:55:12 PM #
Quote: "Well what most of you are saying, is that you want a palm with Pocket PC Specs."

No, that's not what I want. I want to have a 320x480 screen visible all the time. That's not a PPC.

Use the space created by eliminating the extra casing required by the slider and put a smaller row of buttons on the bottom edge. The T3 reconfigures the buttons to look like the PPC making that impossible. So I don't want that either.

Simply put, I want a large screen in a small case.

RE: Ugh, the slider
mikecane @ 10/4/2003 5:31:29 PM #
He wants what Sony never delivered: a "T770." T6xx with a 320x480 screen (and, dear God, a *good* stylus!).

RE: Ugh, the slider
SmithonDrugs @ 10/22/2003 9:31:16 PM #
Pah, this just means Palms are getting to be more and more like old pocket pcs every day

ARM, pah, wide screen, pah-

what's next, customizable resolution?
windows?


RE: Ugh, the slider
dolphin12 @ 11/2/2003 2:14:53 PM #
I do not like the slider too, and many of my friend neither. A Tungsten E with virtell graphiti area and blue tooth and the standard docking station would be the hit. I am still waiting for this.

Hope that palm drops the slider soon. What a impractical idea. Very strange.

RE: Ugh, the slider
robertsong @ 2/7/2004 2:48:56 AM #
I got the T3 for Christmas and have used the slider a lot. The only thing I don't like about it is that I can't turn it back on easily when it automatically powers down--the on/off switch pushes the slider down--kind of annoying when I'm in the middle of a good book and want to see as large a page as possible. But overall, I love the slider because it means that I've got a large screen device that easily fits in my shirt pocket and has buttons that are of a convenient size and position. I think the slider is the best solution I've seen for handling the "big screen-small footprint" issue.

CNET coverage

Foo Fighter @ 10/1/2003 1:13:11 AM #
CNET is running a story on the new products:

http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5084705.html?tag=nefd_top

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

RE: CNET coverage
gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 5:12:29 AM #
You can also watch the Cnet video of the T3 and T|E below:

http://news.com.com/1601-2-5084682.html?pref=yes

Visit http://goodthatway.com/
-better living through better technology.

RE: CNET coverage
mikeyts @ 10/1/2003 1:58:54 PM #
You know, I was just about sold on the T3 until I saw the coverage of Tapwave's Zodiac on CNET's videos. Apparently about to ship at the end of the month. Longer by .8" but actually less thick and chocked full of special-purpose multi-media stuff to support it's entertainment slant.

Decisions, decisions. Choice is a good thing 8-).

Will be bashed for it's battery

skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 1:18:36 AM #
After reading this review and competing sites' reviews, looks like the big flaw is the battery choice. While it's not my excuse for not getting one, I do hope that by the time I can afford a T4 that palmOne takes a queue from HP & Dell and includes a user replaceable battery.

Scott

RE: Will be bashed for its battery
skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 1:48:23 AM #
Sorry...it should be "its" and "cue." Ryan, you shouldn't be the only one who can make things disappear. Give us the ability to edit these.

RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Altema @ 10/1/2003 1:56:32 AM #
Sorry folks, it's just physics here: no more internal space without making it bigger in the compacted mode.

RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:12:20 AM #
One issue with the iPAQ removable battery is just that. The battery has potential to accidentaly pop up by itself. The latch that holds it is not that secure and there are no locking mechanism.

Note also different iPAQ series uses different battery sizes/shape. I rather have the Power2Go solution where I can charge up future Palm PDAs with the UC. But that's just my opinion. I will gladly take a T/T3 with or without removable battery since its not on my must have list of improvements (the screen was, the processor was and the memory was). Seeing how Palm SG manages to improves on future models maybe the T/T4 or T5 will have removable battery and/or (hopefully) WiFi. Using WiFi on the TC was a joy and a much better experience than on the iPAQ. If only Sandisk hurry up in their PalmOS driver development!

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3

RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
lobotomic @ 10/1/2003 10:55:01 AM #
It should be "cue", all right, but "it's" will do just fine.

RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Boogaboo @ 10/1/2003 12:48:33 PM #
Actually, "its" is posessive, hence "its battery" is correct. "it's" is a contraction for "it is," so "it is battery" would not make sense. "Cue" and "its" are correct.

Boogaboo

Bashing a dead horse
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 11:39:33 AM #
But he didn't say "its battery" (unless the post has been changed), he said "it's not my excuse," which was correct.

OK, everybody flame me now. It's OK, I can take it!

Thanks, robrecht

RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Boogaboo @ 10/3/2003 8:02:36 AM #
Hi there Robrecht,

Actually, in the title, he wrote "it's" which is incorrect. I think that he was addressing that in his immediate follow-up post, in which he wrote "its." I don't think that he was referring to the "it's" in the body of the post.

Wow, it's funny, debating about it(s).

Jamie

RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
robrecht @ 10/3/2003 9:08:18 AM #
Aha (Ahaerlebnis kicks in)! OK, that's it, string him up!

Thanks, robrecht

Lot of moves done today

Sweetlu @ 10/1/2003 1:24:46 AM #
Seems m515 & T1 were discontinued.

Price of Zire was reduced to $79 and T2 to $329.

One think about the TE, I noticed that the hardcase looks similar to the m500 series (opens 360 degrees). That's good. Just wondering if they are going to release a cradle for the new USB & AC connector.

If I was a betting man, Palm should do very well this Holiday season.

___________________________________
Casio B.O.S.S --> M100 --> Vx --> M505 --> ?

Yankees, Steinbrenner,...... I will never turn to the dark side.

RE: Lot of moves done today
Scott R @ 10/1/2003 9:14:29 AM #
Yes, I went to the site to see how I "scored." I predicted that the T2 was being dropped to $299 and the TC to $399. Well, the T2 is officially $329 and the TC's price hasn't changed at all. It's still $499. My predictions better reflect the real value of these.

The TC price is especially shocking. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to updating it. I can see $429 tops, but $100 more than the TT3? Sure it has Wi-Fi and the thumbboard (though that's liked by some, disliked by others and really doesn't add much to the cost). It also has a bigger battery. OTOH, it has a lower-res screen, no Bluetooth, no MP3 (for all intents and purposes), and a larger, plastic body. It also lacks the new PIM apps that palmOne has introduced with these new models, though hopefully they'll remedy that with an OS update soon.

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Awesome!

Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 1:28:42 AM #
I've had my T3 since last Friday, upgrading for the fifth time, most recently from a T1.

The T3 is brighter, faster, and more reliable than any I've had. Definitely a keeper (at least until the T5 comes out...).

RE: Awesome!
Elff @ 11/9/2003 2:59:07 AM #
So, it looks like you are a happy camper with the move from the T1 to the T3. Please tell us, what is this thing about the T3 being a tad thicker (width of 0.66 in.) than the T1, and 0.3 in. longer? Did this bother you?

Did you have any problem moving your PIM data from the old OS 5.0 to the new 5.2 format? Any glitches with the extra address fields in Contacts?

They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!

Ces @ 10/1/2003 1:29:42 AM #
Same device, same battery, HUGE processor, HUGE screen, same battery life????

Come on, dont give me that S#$(&^$@T!!!

Bigger device and you couldn't put a bigger battery??
Not even your new tini-winni new OS5 treo (which is much smaller than the T3) has a battery so small!!!

Even the dummest of us knows that thing aint gonna last as long as the original T's...NO WAY..IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP!!

Sticking with my T/T till further notice...

Hey Palm, great device...great improvements, but not for me yet...call me when you put a larger battery and WI-FI; then we'll talk business again.

Cheers!

RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:05:30 AM #
It is also slightly thinner when compared to the original T/T. Also lighter. So being able to fit the original battery into something thinner is quite something. Overall, I would say the battery life is on par with my iPAQ h2210 (For both units I only use Bluetooth sparingly to check SMS). I am packing up my h2210 to return it today. The only grip I have with this unit so far is the OS5 drivers for my Sandisk WiFi SD card has not been released yet.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 2:35:57 AM #
In answer to a question about T3 battery life, a Palm marketing person held up a "Power to Go" battery sled. At least with the sled, the additional thickness and weight is optional; you only have to carry that much extra battery bulk when you think you'll need it. Not all the time as with the T|C.
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
hucsman @ 10/1/2003 2:38:47 AM #
Quote: The only grip I have with this unit so far is the OS5 drivers for my Sandisk WiFi SD card has not been released yet.


Yeah..when is that happening? I heard they keep pushing the release date. Anyway, when are they supposed to be coming?

RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 2:42:15 AM #
> treo (which is much smaller than the T3)

Optical illusion. The T3 is thinner, lighter and only 10% greater in volume than the Treo 600. Given that the display on the Treo is 6 times smaller (in pixels) than that of the T3, there's more room for a bigger battery.

RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:44:22 AM #
The drivers are rumoured to be out in November. I hope so since the card has 'acceptable' performance on my h2210.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 2:46:49 AM #
> call me when you put a larger battery and WI-FI

They already have. It's called the T|C.

They did just fine.
RAMd®d @ 10/1/2003 3:38:24 AM #
...dont give me that S#$(&^$@T!


Ok, how 'bout 400mg of Thorazine...

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3rd party solution?
pauleyc @ 10/1/2003 3:49:35 AM #
It's just curiosity, but what are the physical dimensions of the T3 and TC batteries? I know it might take some time before someone is brave enough to disassemble their units ;-)

What I am thinking is that maybe there is the possibility of an 3rd-party upgraded replacement battery, just as it happens with cell phones...

-------
pauleyc

RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
JonathanChoo @ 10/3/2003 7:25:25 AM #
I have been using the T3 for about a week now and the battery life is okay. Charged at 100%, setup Bluetooth with a T610 downloaded SMS, surfed the web for 15 minutes, listened to some music and read an e-book for 2 hours. The battery life dropped only to 85%. My backlight was 40%.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
freza @ 10/6/2003 3:42:36 AM #
how long can the battery last for normal calendar, contacts, memos, todo usage? maybe a little bit of games while queuing at the bank... will it last for a week or so?

thanks.

RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
K-palm @ 10/27/2003 4:45:10 PM #
RE: Use of S-E 610 w/T-3
I'm very intriqued with the match up of the T3 with my BT 610 and how this combination will help me with e-mail response when I'm out of the office.

I went to Circuit City and tried to connect (BT) with a demo T-3 and couldn't get it to work.

Background: My 610 is new; T-mobile account is less than a week old and at this juncture, only have "Internet" access via their "T-Zones."

Am I missing something on the "phone side" that will enable the BT connection and round out this BT solution?

Thanks for any input...

Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!

Mr T @ 10/1/2003 1:47:18 AM #
This will be one of the last, if not thee last, palm handhelds to bear the palm name and blue palm logo. That alone is reason enough for me to buy one.

Off course the fact that it has an incredible screen, more memory, tons of power, bluetooth, small form factor, flip cover, excellent included software package and great starting price of $399, this is one killer pda.

RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
Admin @ 10/1/2003 2:13:08 AM #
This will be one of the last, if not thee last, palm handhelds to bear the palm name and blue palm logo. That alone is reason enough for me to buy one.

ahhh! Very good point, I forgot to add that to the review. Must get sleep, working 18 hours straight...

RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
JKingGrim @ 10/1/2003 8:07:32 PM #
They can still put the little bubble, and I think they will. Just because they are no longer called Palm, they can still use it. The whole point of the name change is to give every licensee the right to put the little blue Palm bubble.

RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 2:35:59 PM #
I read SOMEWHERE that Palm OS people will require the use of the little blue bubble--not sure if that's true or just speculative.

Thanks, robrecht

its Outlook

JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:55:38 AM #
Quote "The changes were made based on user feedback and research and also to more closely resemble Microsoft LookOut."

is this a joke?

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3

RE: its Outlook
sub_tex @ 10/1/2003 12:05:14 PM #
"is this a joke?"

No. It's the sad sad truth about using that horrible app.

RE: its Outlook
Admin @ 10/1/2003 12:52:25 PM #
haha, whoops! Goof on my part.
RE: its Outlook
helf @ 10/1/2003 3:05:37 PM #
I can't believe you had ot ask if that was a joke or not. People have been saying that since outlook was invented.

Im getting one!!!

ImBatMan @ 10/1/2003 2:57:14 AM #
Traded in my NZ-90 and waited almost a 2 Months without a Palm for this one to come out. Thanks for the detailed review...I had to smile when you listed the new Birthday feature to remind users of important dates or the so called "marriage saving feature"(LOL)...I must say Palms have saved me from many of these.

Battery life - that's really bad.

krzbia @ 10/1/2003 3:23:09 AM #
Hi!
When I was choosing my first Palm (and still the last one) - the Palm IIIx I was very concerned about battery life. I was really tempted by these WindowsCE's but the choice was pretty simple when I've compared the battery life. IIIx gives me almost 24h of constant use under average load - this results in about 3 weeks between battery changes in my usage pattern. Reading about various improvements made to the Palm platform i.e. colour, faster processor, bigger screen I was afraid that Palm will go to the same direction where PocketPC's already have been - that is very short battery life.
Of course I've read the articles that PalmOS is so and so efficent in using the power BUT the difference was about 10-15%, and one could always wonder about the test procedure made-up this way that PalmOS was better.
With IIIx I do not have to remember about the batteries. I really do not want to charge the device every other day or even every day! Even my (also trusted and pretty old) Nokia 5110 GSM works WHOLE WEEK between charging...

Generally I think producers should really think more about extending the battery life than the rich power-consuming hardware.
So T3 is a no-go for me. I'll work with my old trusted IIIx.

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 4:04:28 AM #
Get the T|E then...it probably will last alot longer than the T3...

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RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
John Pahl @ 10/1/2003 5:01:00 AM #
I agree - I have a busy enough life without worrying constantly that I must charge some widget or other. Thats why I've stuck with my Palm M500 for so long. But I might be tempted by the Treo 600 - if it's battery lasts the week that I go before charging my T68i.

320 x 480 screen looks cool, but its a nice to have (ok very nice to have) feature, but not essential like battery life, as I rely on my pda working every day.

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
jodihansen @ 10/1/2003 5:29:28 AM #
Everyone wants something different, hence why there are different models. If you choose one with basic features then you will get longer battery life.

However, I for one, do not mind sacrificing some battery time for a device rich is features such as the T3. The only thing missing for me is WiFi....however that will be solved with the Sandisk WiFi card when it makes it to Australia and the Palm OS drivers are released. But for now I am waiting on the T3 to be released in Australia. Does anyone here know when that will be?

Jodi

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
jodihansen @ 10/1/2003 5:58:07 AM #
To answer my own question, the T3 (and the other new Palms) have just been posted on the Australian Palm web site. Price for the T3 is $799AUD. This is about what I expected. The thing is that $399US equates to about $600AUD....why do we pay $200AUD more over here?
Surely shipping is not that much.

Jodi

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
ScottL @ 10/1/2003 7:24:46 AM #
I doubt battery life is worse then the CLIE T665. Notice the specs:

Sony CLIE T665:
2.9 in x 0.5 in x 4.8 in
Weight 4.9 oz

T3:
4.3 X 3 X 0.66 (closed)
weight 5.5 oz

I'll take it unless there is a new sony rumor pronto.

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Grauniad @ 10/1/2003 9:51:57 AM #
Re price in Australia: Online stores like QuickBuy.com.au often offer Palm devices at significant discounts. But you're right, the official 2:1 price factor is a rip-off.


RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 10:03:21 AM #
>>>The thing is that $399US equates to about $600AUD....why do we pay $200AUD more over here?


-- it's because you gave the world Rupert Murdoch. Now every single one of you must pay up.

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
ozz @ 10/1/2003 12:30:38 PM #
Mike: Soooo true!! ROFL hehe

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RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
jodihansen @ 10/2/2003 8:47:10 AM #
yeah, that would be why.

Organiser World is the first Aussie site that I have found to have the T3. It is selling for $749AUD, that is less than what is on Palm's web site.

Jodi

RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
kayen @ 10/2/2003 11:22:38 AM #
It's pretty typical. Palm South Africa also rips off everyone - $400 = R2800, cheapest local source is R4500. They claim it is customs duties; it isn't. And their aftersales service is utterly shocking. They're just totally crooked.

Palm should actually be firmly controlling foreign distribution and immediately cancelling the distribution rights of anyone who overcharges.

I'll just do what I always do, import my own.

AudiblePlayer

DessertProfessor @ 10/1/2003 4:18:57 AM #
Previous Palm handhelds featured support for AudiblePlayer and came with this software on the CD. Neither this review nor the product description on palm.com mentions Audible. Does this mean that AudiblePlayer will not run on the T3, or can the player be installed from the Audible website and used just like before? Ryan, can you comment on this?

Thanks,
Rene Verheij

RE: AudiblePlayer
iJITSU @ 10/1/2003 11:55:34 AM #
It uses the same sound API so audible should work.

double res???

antikryst @ 10/1/2003 4:32:07 AM #
"The T3 prominently features the largest screen found on a Palm branded handheld to date, and double the resolution of any Pocket PC"


i dont have a pocket pc...but can someone explain what this means? im sure pocket pc's are not that low res.

thanks

RE: double res???
gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 5:02:58 AM #
All PPC have a standard resolution of 240x320 pixels. This is half the resolution of the T3 which is 320x480. Just divide the latter by the former and you get = 2! :)

320x480 = 153,600 total pixels
240x320 = 76,800 total pixels

153600/76800=2

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RE: double res???
nmerriam @ 10/1/2003 11:46:06 AM #
As Gfunk pointed out, the PPCs are all 320x240, half the resolution of high-res+ Palm/Sony devices.

One big advantage the PPCs have is built-in support for sub-pixel antialiasing ("cleartype"), so normal text on PPCs is often easier to read (I think) than the standard Palm OS4/OS5 fonts. Most good Palm OS doc readers (I use Mobipocket) have this, so reading long docs is find on Palm but it would be nice to have standard apps like datebook with antialiasing.

You can easily tell the difference looking at photos on a PPC or a Palm though. Palm looks WAY better.

RE: double res???
helf @ 10/1/2003 3:58:59 PM #
OS6 will have cleartype support :)

RE: double res???
alanh @ 10/1/2003 4:07:04 PM #
Hopefully the "cleartype" support (really sub-pixel anti-aliasing) will take into account the possible differing geometries of the screens, especially with all the new switchable landscape/portrait mode Palms.

-alan
RE: double res???
JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 6:35:47 PM #
cleartype on the h2210 (adjustable up to 10 levels) is really helpful on such a low res device. I do hope it is implemented well on OS6. I remember cleartype was awful on my e310.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: double res???
antikryst @ 10/1/2003 9:45:18 PM #
hehehe so PPCs are still on low res...how about the new ones that are announced to come out?

RE: double res???
helf @ 10/2/2003 8:37:38 AM #
As far as anyone can tell, pcoetpc's will always be 240x320.

RE: double res???
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 2:45:22 PM #
There are conflicting rumors about the new Toshiba e805 having a VGA screen (480x640). The Nexio S160 has a WVGA screen (800x480).

Thanks, robrecht
RE: double res???
JonathanChoo @ 10/3/2003 7:40:32 AM #
the Nexio is huge. It is not what call pocket friendly. The Toshiba will most likely ship with a VGA screen although the software will only be using 240x320 mode. Plus its one ugly device. I suspect PocketPC 2004 will feature support for resolution scaling up to VGA mode.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3
RE: double res???
helf @ 10/3/2003 10:10:38 AM #
If the PocketPC OS supports anything more than 240x320 anytime soon, I'll be surprised..

RE: double res???
Tungstenman @ 10/4/2003 7:45:17 AM #
PPCs Support high res now, and they can set it to a high res, but the PPC hardware does not actualy contain a high res screen

A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs
: )
-Steve B.

Hmm, I wonder...

Verteron @ 10/1/2003 5:39:09 AM #
Someone should attempt a custom modificiation. Glue the slider open and put an extra battery in the empty space!



RE: Hmm, I wonder...
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 12:59:51 AM #
Man, put that pocket protector and slide rule away!

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Cases

QDeath @ 10/1/2003 6:29:43 AM #
No other cases seem to be available from Palm or any other company yet except the one that came with it.

Looks like we are stuck with a flip cover as a side option doesn't seem possible?

RE: Cases
jorang @ 10/1/2003 6:55:34 AM #
You obviously missed this one - http://www.palmone.com/us/products/accessories/casesandcovers/P10941U.html

Expect this to be a good investment until others appears on the market

JoranG

JoranG

RE: Cases
QDeath @ 10/1/2003 11:46:29 PM #
Palm lists very little information about the case. Would be nice to see the inside of the case etc... Has anyone seen reviews on this, or more information on it?

RE: Cases
zhaoyun @ 10/25/2003 7:36:20 PM #
Does the slide and voice memo button work with these cases?

Confucious say, "man who jump off cliff, jump to conclusion".

Too big, too power hungry

bdholmes @ 10/1/2003 8:34:20 AM #
I don't care what features the T3 has, a PDA is useless after it has run out of power. Likewise, a 420x320 screen isn't much good if you don't have it with you because you don't want a bulge in your pocket.

Why can't Palm just add Bluetooth and MP3 audio capability to it's Vx? I don't want a colour screen if it means I can't read my PDA in bed because it has to be charging.

Release a good PDA Palm, for old time's sake!

RE: Too big, too power hungry
iJITSU @ 10/1/2003 12:02:52 PM #
Power hungry, yes. Big? Not really. I have a m515 here with the T3 and the size difference ks minimal.

RE: Too big, too power hungry
enjolras @ 10/1/2003 2:32:32 PM #
This is so humorous..

For MONTHS we heard 'Palm is so stupid, give us virtual graffiti.' To which the people with a clue responded 'but that would hurt batter life'.

Now we hear 'Palm is so stupid, all of these new features hurt battery life!' To which the people with a clue respond 'told you so'.

RE: Too big, too power hungry
Scott R @ 10/1/2003 6:59:25 PM #
enjorlas, too funny!

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RE: Too big, too power hungry
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:16:23 PM #
I don't lay the blame at Palm's feet.

Where the hell are the battery manufacturers?

Dammit, why don't I have an atomic battery?!

RE: Too big, too power hungry
helf @ 10/1/2003 10:57:51 PM #
enjolras : SO true :) I kept telling people that, but noooo.. They had to have it. Now that they have it, they whine.. :P No pleasing them.

Alltho I have to admit, palm could have put a larger batt in it.

Just the thing...
orb2069 @ 10/2/2003 1:27:35 AM #
Try looking on eBay or similar and see if you can pick up a HE330 - Then dig around for the OS4 upgrade.

RE: Too big, too power hungry
The Ugly Truth @ 10/2/2003 3:01:35 AM #
Try looking on eBay or similar and see if you can pick up a HE330 - Then dig around for the OS4 upgrade.

I would recommend not doing this unless you are either:
a) tech-savvy or
b) a gambler

If you get a HandEra 330, make sure it is a new one. The TRGPro and HandEra 330 were both revolutionary PDAs for their time, but the HandEra 330 has a few "issues" - which you can learn about elsewhere - and you would also be buying an orphan PDA.
Instead, just wait a bit longer before choosing your new handheld.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Too big, too power hungry
ganoe @ 10/2/2003 8:09:37 AM #
> see if you can pick up a HE330

I have a 330 and it's a nice PDA, but the original poster asked for a Vx with MP3 and Bluetooth. The 330 is certainly nice for reading e-books in bed, but no MP3 and you'd have to dig for the right "unofficial" OS update and the right card for Bluetooth. The best on battery life though.

The Acer s10 has a mono screen and does MP3 (is there a Bluetooth Memory Stick that'd work with it?). On the non-Palm OS side, there's the Franklin eBookman: 240x200 screen, plays MP3.
http://www.franklin.com/ebookman/shortpage.asp

RE: Too big, too power hungry
helf @ 10/2/2003 8:24:09 AM #
I have an he330 too. I love the thing. Best palm ever IMO.

RE: Too big, too power hungry
Scott R @ 10/2/2003 10:30:41 AM #
Here's my strategy...I go for whatever has what I need and offers the best bang for the buck. Right now, I'm planning to get the low-end $299 Zodiac model. At that price, it has enormous bang for the buck. Other devices that fit this criteria are the now reduced Tungsten T2 (if you need Bluetooth), the Tungsten E or Sony TJ35 (if you don't), the lower-end iPaqs, etc. I like a lot about the Sony UX50 (though I dislike several things as well), but not at the prices they're asking.

If you buy a high bang-for-the-buck model, the worst that happens is that you eBay it later and don't lose too much in depreciation.

Scott

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Operating system upgrades?

Grauniad @ 10/1/2003 9:02:48 AM #
Will it be possible to upgrade the Tungsten T3 to Palm OS 6.0 when it is released?
RE: Operating system upgrades?
ganoe @ 10/1/2003 9:31:42 AM #
That's the $399 question for me. If I knew that it was upgradable to OS 6, I would be much more interested in it. Same for the Tapwave Zodiac. Otherwise, you're going to be missing a whole new generation of Palm OS apps.

RE: Operating system upgrades?
WileyCoyote @ 10/1/2003 5:29:15 PM #
It will be definitely possible. That does not meean it will happen. Palm has been saying that they will try to make an upgrade for Tungstens that can hold the size of the ROM and are hardware compatible. The T3 has the best chance of doing so but Palm is not going to announce what Tungstens will be upgradeable untill they announce the release of OS6 at the end of Dec. That is why I personally would not reccomend anyone buy one just yet. When OS6 comes out you WILL want to have it and if that is a concern then wait untill you have the assurance from Palm that you won't be dissapointed.
T 3 is NOT Upgradable to OS6 -- said Palm Tech Support
palmstory @ 10/2/2003 1:35:14 AM #
This is from Palm Tech Support --
From: Palm Support <support@palm.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:09:38 -0400 (EDT)

--------------------
I would like to inform you that all the three new Palm handhelds
have the Palm OS 5.2.1. These handhelds do not have the flashable ROM
to upgrade the Palm OS to higher version. Also, the Palm OS 6.0 is not
released or available to download or to purchase. The Palm OS 5.2.1 is
the latest version. Palm, Inc. has not yet planed about any new Palm
OS.

Sincerely,

Yogesh D.
--------------------

Earlier yesterday, another Palm Tech Support Person(the phone rings in Chicago, but they answer in Southern Ontario) told me that ALL 3 New PDA;s that were announced(T-3, T-E, Z21) are DEFINITELY upgradable to OS6! The difference is that this person stated that VERBALLY, as opposed to Yogesh D.m who put it in writing.

So, after the initial excitement, I now don't know whom to believe. To buy Z21 for $99, no back light, is SAD, only to tie me over to OS6, where OS6 Developer Kits will be announced in February, which means that we probably won't see OS6 PDA's till a year from now, or am I wrong?

By not telling us whether T-3, T-E, Z21 can be upgraded to OS6, Palm could be losing T-3, T-E sales to Z21, because folk don't want to stick their necks out.

PalmOS envy
The Ugly Truth @ 10/2/2003 3:17:50 AM #
By not telling us whether T-3, T-E, Z21 can be upgraded to OS6, Palm could be losing T-3, T-E sales to Z21, because folk don't want to stick their necks out.

Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7 will be so much better? I'm going to keep using my USR Pilot 5000 until the Palm OS 7 models are released.

You may be shocked to learn that Palm's in house (and outhouse) research shows that 99.7% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs. Furthermore, the number of people that have actually upgraded the OS on their PDAs is a vanishingly small (but tediously vocal) minority.

If the or Sony's new PDAs suit your needs today, buy them now. There's always someting New And Improved around just the corner.




Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: PalmOS envy
ganoe @ 10/2/2003 8:23:16 AM #
> Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7
> will be so much better? I'm going to keep using my USR
> Pilot 5000 until the Palm OS 7 models are released.

Because OS 6 will be a fundamental shift in the Palm OS, similar to Apple going to OS X. For the most part even OS 5 with PACE isn't fundamentally different than the OS on your Pilot 5000 (and it certainly isn't considerably different than OS 3.5 with VFS extensions for most users). I'm sure there are some apps still supported today that work on the original Pilots. There will be a whole new generation of apps that are going to be OS 6 and later only. Those devices are probably only about 6 months away.

RE: Operating system upgrades?
fleegle @ 10/2/2003 9:09:49 AM #
Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7 will be so much better?

Why wait for Palm OS 7 when Palm OS 8 will be so much better... why wait for Palm OS x when Palm OS x+1 will be so much better.

This sounds like the advice I was given when I wanted to buy my first computer in 1995. If I listened to them I'd still be waiting because there will always be something better right around the corner.

My opinion: If you can afford it, and want it... buy it. When the new stuff comes out and you want it... buy it. Put the old stuff up on eBay to recover some of your expense.

RE: Operating system upgrades?
kayen @ 10/2/2003 11:54:35 AM #
This buy it and replace it next week attitude is fine for people in rich countries, but something like the T3 is the equivalent of two months rent or 4 months food for some of us.

It isn't a matter of waiting around for some unknown future OS - v6 finally does what v5 should have been in the first place; at the very least it eliminates some limits that should have been removed in v5. They have now with 5.2.1 finally upped the Memo size, but I presume we're still stuck with the 16 category limit. If that category limit exists then the very least Palm can do is fix it in 5.2.2 or whatever and make an update available to current owners.

I know Sony won't offer an upgrade, they're too greedy and really don't care about the customer once they have your money. In the past Palm have been good, but I'm beginning to suspect those days may be over and their attitude may become if you want the new software you have to buy the latest hardware even if it isn't necessary for technical reasons - they must already know most of the requirements of v6 by now.

At the moment I'm getting the same doubletalk from Palm that I usually get from Sony which makes me very suspicious. It is very annoying to buy something this expensive and find out in a few months that it can't be upgraded and Palm knew all along.

Would current hardware be upgradeable to v7? I doubt it and I really don't care because by then I'd be prepared to buy new hardware.

RE: Operating system upgrades?
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:31:42 PM #
>>>the T3 is the equivalent of two months rent or 4 months food

Damn, I'd like to know where YOU live!

In NYC dollars, the TT3 is two week's food and one week's rent!

RE: Operating system upgrades?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/3/2003 3:01:16 AM #
Why wait for Palm OS 7 when Palm OS 8 will be so much better... why wait for Palm OS x when Palm OS x+1 will be so much better.


Sarcasm is a lost art.




Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Operating system upgrades?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/5/2003 4:18:55 PM #
You may be shocked to learn that Palm's in house (and outhouse) research shows that 99.7% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs. Furthermore, the number of people that have actually upgraded the OS on their PDAs is a vanishingly small (but tediously vocal) minority.

A new study from Outhouse Research, Inc. states that 99.84% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs, slightly higher than previously-published numbers. The study also found 0.01% of Palm purchasers upgraded the OS on their devices.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: Operating system upgrades?
twrock @ 10/6/2003 8:58:05 AM #
"The study also found 0.01% of Palm purchasers upgraded the OS on their devices."

I do find that an interesting stat. I had thought it would be higher. Maybe that's because I have the HandEra 330 and upgrading is such a simple task. I'd bet the percentage of HE owners who upgraded is much higher with the free OS upgrade and an easy way to do it.

RE: Operating system upgrades?
ganoe @ 10/6/2003 10:52:35 AM #
> I do find that an interesting stat.

You would be interested in the source of his statistics as well.

RE: Operating system upgrades?
Pavel Krupets @ 11/9/2004 3:15:42 AM #
I want to upgrade my Palm to new OS, because I am making software for it, and want to be sure that it works on real stuff (otherwise I can test it only on emulators).

I agree about the fact that users don't need upgrades. Good example is game stations sales. But there are some people who want to upgrade!

more detailed review and photos (but german)

T.W.G @ 10/1/2003 9:14:40 AM #
Hi,

check it out with much photos of the new bad battery baby ;-)


http://www.pdaforum.de/tungsten-t3/


watch the photos and translate with google :-)

greetings from Germany


Thomas
www.twgmusic.de

T.W.G www.twgmusic.de

Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de

RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 9:31:38 AM #
Babelfish gives less than clear results:

Contra:
Akkuleistung
Akku nicht austauschbar
keine Status-LED (Bluetooth)
keine automatische Lautstärkeanpassung bei gesteckten Kopfhörern
WAV-Dateien nicht als Alarm nutzbar
Kunststoffslider (? noch nicht bestätigt)
mitgeliefertes Schutzcover

to:

Versus: Akkuleistung Akku not exchangeably no status LED (Bluetooth) no automatic volume adjustment with put headphones WAV files not as alarm usable Plastic eyelids (? yet does not confirm) provided Schutzcover

-- what is "Akkuleistung Akku"?!!?

RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
rened @ 10/1/2003 4:14:37 PM #
"Akkuleistung Akku not exchangeably..."

Read it as:

Battery-capacity / Battery not exchangable

(Beginning of a lists of minor points of the machine)


regards,


René

RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
T.W.G @ 10/2/2003 10:19:07 AM #
Hi,

Akkuleistung:
It's the running time and explains how long the machine is usable till it turn's off.

Akku:
It's the german expression for rechargeble battery 'cause we differ between normal batteries, rechargeble batteries (special type) and the types of rechargable batteries you all know (LiOn, NiCad...).
It's the short form of "Akkumulator" (technical term).


greetings

Thomas


T.W.G www.twgmusic.de

Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de

Category Limit?

mvdude @ 10/1/2003 9:24:10 AM #
The review says Palm addressed the 4k limit on notes. Did they also address the 15 category limit?


RE: Category Limit?
mvdude @ 10/1/2003 3:56:27 PM #
I found the answer to my own question.

The answer is no.

RE: Category Limit?
Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 4:15:58 PM #
OS 6

32K Memos & Clipboard

mikecane @ 10/1/2003 9:33:12 AM #
So, if Memos can now be 32K, has the itty-bitty Clipboard been given steroids too?!!?

Anyone know how many characters it can handle now?

RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:17:31 PM #
Geez, can't ONE of you with a TT# frigging try the clipboard with a LARGE Memo?! How much effort is it to open said Memo and Select All->Copy to see if the Clipboard protests?

I would have done it myself, but there are NO TT3 demo models out in NYC that I've found yet (have not hit RCS or Circuit City; can't go to Best Buy -- a month ago I called an annoying salesjerk there a fatso!).

I did try it on a Tungsten E with just a 4K Memo beamed over -- Clipboard limit exceeded when I did Select All->Copy.

RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Scott R @ 10/2/2003 10:24:26 AM #
Maybe they don't like you? Perhaps it's your sparkling personality? ;)

Scott

http://TapLand.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 2:57:31 PM #
Jdya think?

Thanks, robrecht
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Admin @ 10/2/2003 4:33:37 PM #
Mike, Still waiting on an answer from Palm... I did try to copy a large memo and got the classic 'clipboard limit exceded' so, looks like they didn't fix it. Isn't there a clip hack for OS5?
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:33:28 PM #
Waving middle finger in the general -- no, SPECIFIC -- direction of those who read the query and did NOT answer because of who asked it.

Listen, you toadstools, if I paid attention to WHO posted things, I'd never reply to a single fekkin message here.

And, you nitwits, do you expect others who have the SAME DAMNED QUESTION to ALSO post it?

Thank you for continuing to deserve my low opinion of you.

RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Gekko @ 10/2/2003 9:03:14 PM #
don't flatter yourself

RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Timothy Rapson @ 10/2/2003 9:30:03 PM #
It would be nice for the OS to offer this natively.

As it is:

Clip Pro or BigClipboard fromm PalmGear.

This is something I would pay for. Until you brought it up here again, I had not found such a hack for OS 4. Now, in searching for these, I see PalmGear does have an OS 4 hack. The last time I checked for this I think I was worried about installing hacks. I had to install X-Master anyway for FITALY, so maybe I will return to my quest and get the OS 4 clip manager I found.

RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 10:05:24 PM #
Take your meds and be quiet for a while. Remember, you have to take them every day.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
mikecane @ 10/3/2003 4:24:40 PM #
Finally got my mitts on a TT3. beamed over 4K Memo. Did Select All->Copy.

Got bloody Clipboard Alert!!!

What good are 32K of Memo if you can't copy all 32K of text?!

Someone mentioned two clip utils. Are these Hacks that need Tealmaster or what?!

Robrecht, I would never take medical advice from you. It's so kind of the interns to indulge you by doing all of your typing. How they can put up with all that screaming... they deserve medals.

And for the fellow who told me not to flatter myself -- what, I should wait for you to do it?

BTW, am I the only person to see that the DTG in ROM is not the full version?!

PPC is dead

mikecane @ 10/1/2003 9:38:46 AM #
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4132.html

JVC cancels two first Pocket PCs
By: Jørgen Sundgot, Wednesday 1st October 2003, 08:00 GMT

After announcing its intention in June to enter the Pocket PC market with two high-end Pocket PC models, JVC spokesman Terry Shea today confirmed to infoSync World that the company recently decided to cancel the introduction of the iO MP-PV131 and iO MP-PV331. Citing delays in availability, Shea said JVC in light of this opted to delay its entrance into the market, and would as a result bring second generation products already in development to the market next year.

-- first Gateway, now JVC.

Tch, tch, tch! Should've licensed PalmOS, boyos!

RE: PPC is dead
Foo Fighter @ 10/1/2003 10:56:55 AM #
Toshiba seems to think Pocket PC is dead:
http://www.itnews.com.au/storycontent.asp?ID=7&Art_ID=15594

Hmm...Gateway cancels its upcoming PPC...now JVC. And things were starting to looks so promising.



-------------------------------
My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

RE: PPC is dead
Foo Fighter @ 10/1/2003 11:00:29 AM #
> "Tch, tch, tch! Should've licensed PalmOS, boyos!"

Why? PalmSource won't license its OS to these guys. Toshiba tried, but Nagel and his team showed them the door. PalmSource doesn't want too much competition within the PalmOS market, so it only selects licensees that intent to enter new markets. And that's why you'll never see a Dell PalmOS handheld or smartphone.

-------------------------------
My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

RE: PPC is dead
legalalien @ 10/1/2003 11:41:45 AM #
>Why? PalmSource won't license its OS to these guys.
>Toshiba tried, but Nagel and his team showed them the
>door. PalmSource doesn't want too much competition
>within the PalmOS market

I can see how Palm (before PalmSource was split) didn't want more competition - same reason why Apple decided not to license MacOS. Now, PalmSource, as a purely software company *may* be a different story.


RE: PPC is dead
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:20:42 PM #
>>>Toshiba tried, but Nagel and his team showed them the door.

Feh! From what I heard, Toshiba wanted X, Y & Z mods to the OS, and Palm said Can't Do That Just Yet.

So Toshi went PPC. And got the rotten rep they deserve!

RE: PPC is dead
JKingGrim @ 10/1/2003 8:15:33 PM #
Hmmm. PPC is dying before POS6 is even released. That battle wasn't even fun.

RE: PPC is dead
The Ugly Truth @ 10/2/2003 3:54:22 AM #
I can see how Palm (before PalmSource was split) didn't want more competition - same reason why Apple decided not to license MacOS. Now, PalmSource, as a purely software company *may* be a different story.


Your innocence is very sweet. But you're old enough to know a few things now:

Santa Claus isn't real.
The Easter Bunny isn't real.
The Tooth Fairy isn't real.
Palm = PalmSource = Pa1mone = Palm0ne = pA1MOn3. Despite the smoke and mirrors show for the SEC, it will be business as usual in Milpitas.



Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: PPC is dead
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:36:28 PM #
Thank you again for posting, Steve Ballmer.

RE: PPC is dead
Timothy Rapson @ 10/2/2003 9:22:24 PM #
I sure wish we had Dell making Palm OS PDAs. The T3 is a brilliant piece, and if someone else doesn't do it one better by January, I will likely get one. I am just not ready to pay the $100 more for a camera and buy all new flash cards (have Clie NR now).

A dual slot Dell for $200 would be a nice option.

RE: PPC is dead
Foo Fighter @ 10/2/2003 11:14:56 PM #
> "I sure wish we had Dell making Palm OS PDAs."

I don't. There are too many players in the PDA space now. We need some attrition to flesh out the weaklings. Toshiba, I'm looking in your direction. Followed by Sony.

-------------------------------
My blog: www.pocketfactory.com

RE: PPC is as dead as JASON
The Ugly Truth @ 10/3/2003 2:41:07 AM #
We need some attrition to flesh out the weaklings.

Really? Is Palm better now that they got rid of HandEra?

Is PPC better now that Casio is gone?

Without competition, Palm would never have come up with the or any fresh new designs. Instead you would be buying the Special Edition J Lo Palm IIIxe for $400.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

PPC is as dead as JASON
The Ugly Truth @ 10/3/2003 2:52:53 AM #
We need some attrition to flesh out the weaklings.

Really? Is Palm better now that they got rid of HandEra?

Is PPC better now that Casio is gone?

Without competition, Palm would never have come up with the or any fresh new designs. Instead you would be buying the Special Edition J Lo Palm IIIxe for $400.


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: PPC is dead
NikMan @ 10/3/2003 5:07:59 AM #
The ugly truth is right.
PalmOne I hope it will release also some new smartphones soon! Like next Treo?

RE: PPC is undead
The Ugly Truth @ 10/5/2003 1:04:30 PM #
It never ceases to amaze me that people repeatedly underestimate Microsoft. Microsoft did not get to the position they now occupy by accident. Essentially every company that has tried to compete with them over the years has been either crushed or assimilated into the Redmond collective. A few examples for those with early-onset Alzheimer's disease:

Apple - exists today only because Microsoft wanted them to. (To lessen antitrust headaches and provide further Office sales.)

Netscape - does anyone even use this browser these days?

Quicken - refused to sell out to Microsoft, so Microsoft eventually created a better product than Quicken and undercut their price.

WordPerfect - poor Corel can't even give this away now.

Visio - assimilated.

Diskeeper - (partially) assimilated

Outlook - does anyone use any other emial programs now?

etc., etc.

Having used both platforms, I've found that for my purposes Palm OS is superior. I could easily keep using my current (1999) PDA for the next five years without any problem. In fact, if my previous Pilot 5000 or PalmPilot Professional could have been upgraded to 128 MB RAM, I would have had no real need to upgrade my PDA. The Treo 600, CLIE PalmTop­­™ and Palm T³ represent the only new Palm OS designs in the past four years that offer compelling reasons to buy another PDA. While I wish Palm would go back to making their hardware in the U.S.A. - instead of China, Mexico, Hungary, etc. - I'll still probably get a Treo 600 as long as the carriers don't attempt to gouge us on the rates.

Despite the potential shown by the Palm OS hardware released this Fall, smart money still doesn't bet against Redmond ultimately succeeding. Sony needs to hurry up and buy the Palm OS and add it to their slick Sony-Ericcson cellphones. That is where Palm's future lies.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

Does country of manufacture affect quality these days?
The Ugly Truth @ 10/5/2003 3:06:27 PM #
While I wish Palm would go back to making their hardware in the U.S.A. - instead of China, Mexico, Hungary, etc.

I say this because the US-made devices and Japanese CLIEs I've used all seem to have been of better quality and much more durable than PDAs made in other countries. It seems that everything is made in China these days. I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for a Palm made in the USA, but I doubt the USA manufacturers will ever be able to compete with countries where workers are paid a pittance compared to what American workers receive. Perhaps if Palm ditched some of the 5000 Vice Presidents they have on salary (the Palm bureaucracy is truly ludicrous) they could shift production back to the USA...


Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: PPC will bury you all.
The Ugly Truth @ 10/16/2003 9:55:56 AM #
Well, maybe not.


Sony needs to hurry up and buy the Palm OS and add it to their slick Sony-Ericcson cellphones. That is where Palm's future lies.

It's happening...
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6117

January 15, 2004. The new beginning for Sony-Palm.

2004's Sony lineup:

UX - PalmTops
Sony Ericsson - Palm OS smartphones
TX - 320 x 480 stand alones with virtual Graffiti + multimedia
TJ - 320 x 320 base model stand alones

Expect major price "adjustments" within the next two months.

Sometimes the truth just isn't pretty™

RE: PPC is dead
kayen @ 12/3/2003 10:59:54 AM #
Quality has nothing to do with location of manufacture. The Chinese are quite capable of making the best products in the world. What happens though is US company X goes there and says we want you to make our widget, but it must cost less than Y. The Chinese then follow the US lead and make low quality, disposable products.

You only have to look at the junk the US auto industry churns out to see the build quality of a typical product.

Excessive bureaucracy is typical of almost every large company across the entire world. And that bureaucracy devotes most of its time and energy to one purpose - protecting and maintaining the bureaucracy. The result is overpaid executives stripping lower level staff so they don't have to give up their bloated bonuses or worse their non-productive position.

Battery life again

Grauniad @ 10/1/2003 9:40:48 AM #
Sure if you use BlueTooth, MP3 players, Quicktime, battery life will be much reduced. But if you only use the standard PIM applications and other text-based, non-CPU-intensive applications, how does the battery life compare with that of, say, my current (small low-res screen, mono, 33MHz) m500? Similar - which would be good enough for me - or significantly reduced?


RE: Battery life again
Altema @ 10/1/2003 10:40:13 AM #
Blow for blow on level ground using the same applications, the T|T does a little better than the Palm M515 or M505. This means that the BT radio is turned off, and functions which cannot be performed on the M5xx are avoided. For example, both devices had the brightness at the same perceived level, and the same programs were run at the same time doing the same thing. One of the tests was a looped video which was allowed to run for about an hour, in which the T|T dropped from 75% to 63%. The M515 dropped from 75% to 58%. In a similar test where a task was run endlessly, a T|T and an M505 were run until the first low battery warning came on. The T|T ran 5.3 hours, the M505 ran 3.9 hours.

The M5xx series will run longer in standby though. The Original T|T is able retain data for 21 days AFTER the battery is drained. The M505 was not oficially tested, but my own experience shows it to be around a month. The iPaq gives up it's data in just 4 days after battery drain.

RE: Battery life again
Altema @ 10/1/2003 10:59:24 AM #
PS: I just noticed that you were referring to the M500. The M500 will outlast the M505, M515, and the T|T in all areas of battery life. The difference will be reduced if the screen lights are turned OFF on the color devices, but this is no fun! The standby times for the M500, M505, and M515 will be the same.

RE: Battery life again
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 3:04:36 PM #
Altema, what about the T3?

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Battery life again
Altema @ 10/4/2003 8:26:12 PM #
I have not had the time to do any real testing on the T3 yet. Seems that the screen is the biggest drain and turning it down gives the bigest improvement. It appears the the BT is more power efficent; playing a BT network game of RifleSlugs-W with T3 and T1, the T1 gave out first. For everyday use, it seems the the T3 gives out first, but like I said, I have yet to do any real testing. Of course, we all know that a new device gets extra use the first couple weeks ;)

Expenses and Macs

Grauniad @ 10/1/2003 9:47:46 AM #
Yet again Mac users appear to miss out, this time re PowerPoint and Expenses. Does anyone know if there is a way to sync Expenses, say, using Palm Desktop on a Mac (with Mac OS X)? If not, is there any other convenient way to back up one's Expenses data?


RE: Thanks
chinchorrero @ 10/1/2003 9:52:41 AM #
Very good review.
Excelllent
Thanks Ryan.

"Life is Too Short"
RE: Expenses and Macs
chrisridd @ 10/1/2003 11:52:03 AM #
There is a mini conduit for Expenses available from Queuesoft. I don't use Expenses much, but IIRC the conduit just writes an HTML file or something that can be imported into Excel - crude, but it works.

Lack of Powerpoint support is DataViz's fault.

What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?

XScale @ 10/1/2003 9:56:02 AM #
900 mAh battery would be OK if we could just replace the darn thing. Why must all Palms come with non user-replacable batteries. This goes for Palm, Sony, Tapwave, etc. Makes me long for the day when I could just drop a couple of AAs in and be on my way. I think Sony has maybe one NX model with a removable battery but that's it for PalmOS. If they are serious about wireless/smartphones they will learn, sooner or later about this. Having a third generation model with the same battery size yet a bigger power hungry screen is completely messed up. At least if it could be replaced, it would not be a big issue. HP and Dell both recognize that people want to replace their own batteries. Its stupid really, a missed opportunity. Think how many spare batteries they could sell at $50-60 each if it were an option...

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
ganoe @ 10/1/2003 10:32:26 AM #
Removable batteries take up considerably more space than a non-removable one. I certainly would prefer a removable battery as well, that's the "problem" with them.
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
XScale @ 10/1/2003 10:49:46 AM #
Considerably more space??? C'mon that's silly...the iPaq 1910/1940 has a 900mAh removable battery and those are super-slim. I'm not talking about a bigger battery capacity wise - just the ability to replace the existing one on the go. If I was talking about a 2000mAh battery or something I could see your point, but size is not an excuse for Palm.

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
lobotomic @ 10/1/2003 11:06:28 AM #
There are AA-size NimH rechargeables available anywhere in capacities up to 2200 mAh. ¿Are the built-in batteries really THAT much smaller than a single AA?

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
Altema @ 10/1/2003 11:31:50 AM #
The physical battery would remain the same, but it would require an external case in ordered to be handled by the user. Take a look at the typical cellphone battery for an example. To fit in the same physical space and accomodate the area displaced by the battery packaging, a removable battery would have been around 750 to 800Ma. Not a huge difference, but samller just the same. I personally was hoping for a larger battery pack since the device is slightly larger, but least we have the biggest screen and fastest processor, and did not reduce the battery life from the original.

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
ganoe @ 10/1/2003 11:39:31 AM #
> but it would require an external case in ordered to be handled by the user.

You would also need extra internal casing to protect the inside of the device, and the connection terminals are a likely point of failure increasing cost.

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 3:15:49 PM #
Speaking as someone who has disassembled a couple T|T's, I think that there is ample room for a bigger battery or for a user replaceable one. However, I could see where a user replaceable battery might interfere with the design of the Universal Connecter.

I think that keeping the same battery in the T3 largely came down to price point. They packed a lot of new features into the device and still offered it at $399. Keeping the same battery as is used in the rest of the line streamlines costs--while the R&D for a replaceable battery would have been costly, too.

Still, I wish they would have put one in there.

Scott

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 3:29:50 PM #
A case with a battery door that won't break or pop-open accidentally is also heavier than a plain case back.
RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 4:21:11 PM #
> ¿Are the built-in batteries really THAT much smaller than a single AA?

A Palm III is slightly thicker than the T3, and barely has enough room for the even smaller AAA cells in the area between the display and the buttons.

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 1:09:21 AM #
lobo,

You must consider voltage as well.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: What is Palm's problem with removable batteries?
newton @ 10/3/2003 10:07:38 AM #
The truth is :

Because the Li-ion battery has a average life around 3-5 years, no one(very few)will take the trouble to replace it due to the expensive labour cost and the risk of mailing, so everyone will end up being forced to buy new equipment

Good for them

Ditch the slider now!

PIC-user @ 10/1/2003 10:53:42 AM #
Now that we finally have a full screen, get rid of the slider. The T3 is longer when opened so its makes no sense. Just build it sorat like a zire 71, with more elegant buttons, and a full scrren and I say palm will finally have a perfect PDA.

RE: Ditch the slider now!
iJITSU @ 10/1/2003 12:12:49 PM #
I'm in a different camp. I say increase the amount of space the slider reduces when not using the unit. Imagine a T3 where the slider when closed reduces the overall size to half what it is when open. Then, for carrying the device or checking alarms, schedule or addresses the unit is tiny. When working with spreadsheets, video/pics, etc open the slider to reveal the 320x480 screen.

RE: Ditch the slider now!
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 10/1/2003 3:43:12 PM #
good idea, but the screen is a problem.

www.departmentofcomfort.com

SDIO Speed

HiWire @ 10/1/2003 10:59:36 AM #
Great review Ryan.

Does anybody know if the speed of the SDIO slot has improved?

Palm m505 User

RE: SDIO Speed
Admin @ 10/1/2003 6:38:37 PM #
Yes SD speed is much better thanks to the faster processor.
-Ryan
RE: SDIO Speed
Altema @ 10/4/2003 8:34:10 PM #
Big difference. A restore operation using BackupMan to restore 25megs of data took about 30 seconds.

Missing

Palm4u @ 10/1/2003 12:09:02 PM #
Sounds like the consensus (at least a few ppl here) say what is missing is WiFi. So you buy a WiFi card (say ~$100), give it a thumbboard for typing sms or email (~$40)....

T3: $400
WiFi: $100
Thumbboard: $40
----------------
$540 ..... probably more

If you add in a camera ($60), if it is possible at all, cause you've already used up all the available ports on the T3.....

Hmm... looks like the Sony UX-50 ($650 online so far, probably price drop after 2 weeks) isn't so bad afterall. At least its all neatly packaged in ONE unit and closes into a nice clam protective shape.

================================
PDAs rule the world !

RE: Missing
GeeMan @ 10/1/2003 12:39:32 PM #
I agree. Palm screwed up big time with this battery. I thought it would be great to add an SD wifi card when the drivers are out. But it looks like that will suck the battery dry in minutes. The UX has good battery even with wifi. It also looks like Palm is using the same cheap voice recording hardware. My friend's UX can record classroom lectures without a problem very clearly! Looks like I too will be going the UX50 route. While the screen on the T3 may be bigger, the UX has the best combo of features.

RE: Missing
Palm4u @ 10/1/2003 1:21:42 PM #
Good point. Its much better to whip out one PDA and have voice recording, MP3, Camera, Video recording, keyboard + bluetooth and 802.11b in one single unit.

You take out any Palm, have to slot this in, that in, and attach keyboard that freezes the unit once in awhile. Why bother!!

As you mentioned, the UX50 already thought of the WiFi battery sucking problem, has another battery sled for sale already. Of course its heavy, but at least its still one unit. Unlike the T3.

I'm gonna wait a few weeks, for prices to drop a little and go for the UX-50. T3 is definitely missing the UX50 WOW factor too.

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PDAs rule the world !

RE: Missing
enjolras @ 10/1/2003 2:39:27 PM #
"T3 is definitely missing the UX50 WOW factor too."

You obviously haven't actually SEEN a T|3.. this thing has tremendous 'wow' factor in my mind. The screen is huge, vibrant, 320x480, and rotates...

Not Missing
hotpaw4 @ 10/1/2003 3:33:32 PM #
Both the UX and T3 have optional battery sleds. Check the Palm website for "Power to Go". Seems like it's almost a requirement for the smaller hires+ units.
RE: Missing
JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 6:43:20 PM #
Power2Go has been out for quite some time. You can HotSync the PDA while the battery extension sled is in place too. It is a one piece solution and can be used on and Palm PDAs that has the UC connector unlike Sony's offering.

In the UK its different. I have to use GBP for the pound sign since the keyboard I am typing at my friends house does not have a pound sign (Pentium 100! 16Mb RAM!)

Tungsten T/3 GBP 330

Palm UltraThin Keyboard GBP 50 (got it in a sale a few months ago and can be used on all future Palm PDAs featuring the UC)

WiFi SD card GBP 70 (ordered from the US - also able to use on future PDAs)

Polaroid 2Mp Digital Camera with LCD screen(way better than the VGA offering of the UX50) GBP 80

Total price GBP 530

Micro Anvika sells the Clie UX50 for GBP 600. The 70 pounds I saved I could get a 256Mb SD card plus a case.



Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3

RE: Missing
gfspiteri @ 10/2/2003 3:06:06 AM #
and where can you find an SD wifi card?

gianfranco


RE: Missing
hkklife @ 10/2/2003 12:46:15 PM #
Well, the wi-fi SD cards are "out" (ie, they've been announced but I've not yet seen one in the shops but I assume they are out there in limited quantities) but to date, only PPC drivers have been released. So you could buy one, you could stick it in your Palm but it won't do anything until someone releases some Palm drivers-and they are likely to be rather buggy initially.

While we are on the topic, where in the heck is the new Palm BT card (the shorter one) and the OS5 drivers for the existing BT card?

RE: Missing
Palm4u @ 10/2/2003 1:00:52 PM #
"You obviously haven't actually SEEN a T|3.. this thing has tremendous 'wow' factor in my mind. The screen is huge, vibrant, 320x480, and rotates..."

Okay, I can agree with that. I haven't seen it in person yet. But as soon as it comes out here, I'll go and take a look.

With a 3rd party app. I'm sure UX50 can rotate screen as well later.

So to me "Wow" would be "See, I can take a photo of you right now and put it in my Address entry", "twist my screen and fold it down", "type in the keyboard", "record a mini video", "let's go to a local cafe and connect to 802.11b internet!" and "lets connect to bluetooth phone and send this pic I just took a minute ago".

And hook it around my hand like a phone with UX50's wrist strap.

Okay, I know that's all silly..... But I think BOTH T3 and UX50 will cause a "WOW" initially, but then, you run out of features to show on the T3, while UX50 will take you 5 times longer to show off to friends.

Looking at the reviews, MP3 sound in the T3 is just average, while Sony CLIE's sounds are known to be quite good. Same with video playback.

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PDAs rule the world !

RE: Missing
Palm4u @ 10/2/2003 1:13:33 PM #
"Micro Anvika sells the Clie UX50 for GBP 600. The 70 pounds I saved I could get a 256Mb SD card plus a case."

You may wish to use that 70 pounds to buy a new bag to put all those add-on accessories. Maybe a strong bag, incase you drop the keyboard or WiFi card or camera.

Or spend 70 pounds on the UX50 and just close the unit shut like a clam and slip into your pants.



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PDAs rule the world !

MP3 on ux50 sux
Quik_Fix @ 10/2/2003 4:56:58 PM #
My opinion of course. But I brought mine right back to the store after I found out that it couldn't handle mp3s with VBR (variable bit rates). Mp3s with VBRs can be smaller without losing too much quality, enabling me to fit more on my M.stick. I did it with my 665C and I'm doing it with the SJ33 I got when I returned the UX50. Hard to push buttons, unevenly lit screen, unremoveable flip cover, no native mso file support...

There is no long shot winner in this contest. If I can find someone to purchase my children, I'm a T|3 guy for sure.

RE: Missing
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 5:30:17 PM #
"The UX has good battery even with wifi."

Sure about that? Read Ed's review over at Brighthand.

Thanks, robrecht

RE: Missing
JonathanChoo @ 10/3/2003 7:48:22 AM #
the point is some people don't need WiFi or Keyboard or a toy camera. I don't need a keyboard and toy camera. Hence the UX50 is a waste of my money.

Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3

What about Native Security Encryption?

Gekko @ 10/1/2003 1:02:58 PM #
They fixed the 4k memo limit but what about adding Encryption? And clipboard limit?

RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 3:48:59 PM #
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Gekko @ 10/1/2003 3:55:38 PM #
thanks for the link.

1. does this mean the desktop memo is secure/encrypted as well or just the handheld?

2. does this app come with the T3 ROM or must you download it?

RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 4:16:52 PM #
It's a download and install.

I've found that it changes the unlock screen such that it won't allow a lower-case first character to be entered as the first charcater of the unlock password using G2 (can via pop-up keyboard). Unless I come up with some other trick, I'll either need to change my lockout password or continue entering an incorrect password the first time so that it accepts my lowercase the second time in.

RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 4:19:23 PM #
Oh, and it includes a 15 or so page PDF manual that describes it. It doesn't look like it's on-the-fly but rather selectable by application.
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 4:21:06 PM #
It's only a PRC; there's no desktop component.
RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 4:22:20 PM #
Sorry for answering in bits like an old man peeing.

I run ClipPro, so don't know about the clipboard straightaway.

RE: What about Native Security Encryption?
Gar @ 10/1/2003 7:10:58 PM #
Sorry if you answered this before and I don't understand. Will this run on other Palm OS devices? Clie? OS5 I assume.
Thanks!

-----------------
My wife has to sell a lot of candles (www.ccandles.com) to buy her new Palm.

Some PPC questions for the T3 to win me over

johnag007 @ 10/1/2003 1:15:33 PM #
1- Can I sync my Outlook messages, including mail folders other than Inbox and Sent?

2- Can I view TIF images natively (I have an electronic fax that sends me TIF attachments).

If so, then I am switching back to a Palm (T3 of course)!!!

JAG
Ipaq 3360 -> Tungsten T -> Ipaq 2210

RE: Some PPC questions for the T3 to win me over
Solo @ 10/1/2003 3:56:06 PM #
-You'll need AcidImage Pro to view a .tif file. (about $50)

I am not sure about folder synchronisation, I use Snappermail for email program (no sync...)


Solo


RE: Some PPC questions for the T3 to win me over
bcombee @ 10/1/2003 6:49:38 PM #
You can view TIFF images on Palm OS using AcidImage Pro. Details at http://www.red-mercury.com/acidimage.html

--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com

Battery life is not that bad

Ozymandias @ 10/1/2003 1:22:46 PM #
Look at this review:
http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1644

Also, I know a couple of guys who tested T3 and they didn't think battery life was an issue for T3


RE: Battery life is not that bad
GeeMan @ 10/1/2003 2:01:47 PM #
I think their point was that is wasn't that bad for a unit with such a fast processor and large screen. But as it compares to other palm's here's a blurb from infosync:

"All of that power, of course, does impact on battery life. In our standard Atom Smash battery rundown tests, the T3's Lithium-Ion Polymer battery lasted 2 hours before throwing its first low power warning, then shut off after 2 hours, 7 minutes. That is with the backlight on full brightness and the case open. (The handwriting area is not lit when the case is closed to conserve power.) That's one of the shortest battery lifespans we've seen from Palm."

The Brighthand review also mentions the poor battery life, not to mention that Bluetooth is not anywhere near as battery intensive as wi-fi.

With regard to the apps, the T3 has added new fields including multipe addresses to the address book and expanded the memo limit to 32K I believe.

Cheers

RE: Battery life is not that bad
GeeMan @ 10/1/2003 2:09:10 PM #
Here are the comments from the Brighthand review:

:While the Tungsten T3 is an outstanding handheld in many ways, its battery life is below average. I guess that its fast processor, large screen, and generous amount of memory are simply too much for its battery.

I've found that I get about three hours of use out of each charge. That's enough for one day's use for me, but I have to remember to recharge it every night. If you are considering taking a T3 with you on a trip, I'd definitely invest in some form of portable recharger.

This isn't a torture test where I keep the device on until the battery is dead. I'm using the T3 normally and tracking the amount of time it takes to empty the battery with Jeroen Witteman's BatteryGraph. "

RE: Battery life is not that bad
Altema @ 10/2/2003 1:01:52 AM #
"That is with the backlight on full brightness and the case open. (The handwriting area is not lit when the case is closed to conserve power.) That's one of the shortest battery lifespans we've seen from Palm."

Full brightness? The screen is so bright and clear that you can see it clearly on the dash of a car while driving directly into the sun... at half brightness. This situation would make me almost blind with the T1 even when on full. 1/3rd brightness on the T3 is the same as maximum on the T1.

I know the IIIc was bright, but not that bright. Let's be realistic: we are talking about a device with over 6 times the RAM, 6 times the screen resolution, 20 times the processing power, all in a smaller package than the weakest III series.

PS: the graffiti area turns black when the slider is closed, the area stays lit.

RE: Battery life is not that bad
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 5:35:08 PM #
"PS: the graffiti area turns black when the slider is closed, the area stays lit."

Altema, can you elaborate on this?


Thanks, robrecht

RE: Battery life is not that bad
Altema @ 10/4/2003 8:40:47 PM #
Sure. When you close the slider, the 'PalmBar' moves up to rest in the extra gap between the top edge of the slider and the bottom of the 320x320 display area. The screen area now covered by the slider is changed by the OS to the color black, with the exception of a two-pixel border which wraps around the entire screen. Although this area is blank and black, the screen lights are still on... despite being difficult to see. The area turning to the color black drastically drops the amount of reflected light behind the slider, and gives the impression of the lights going out.

Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?

Gekko @ 10/1/2003 1:27:10 PM #
I heard complaints when someone tried Docs to Go 6 on a TT or T2...said the native made it SLOOOOOWWWWWWWWW. Is this not an issue with the T3 because of the Intel 400mhz processor?

RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
JetsFlyer @ 10/1/2003 3:03:29 PM #
Question! How do you input in Landscape mode. VG? Can You?

RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
enjolras @ 10/1/2003 6:13:13 PM #
The graffiti area can be expanded in landscape mode.. it just comes in from the right instead of the bottom. So you can be in portrait mode (the hard buttons will be mapped for the handheld to be held sideways) and enter text, then minimize the virtual graffiti area to enter fullscreen landscape mode.

YOu can also enter text via graffiti 2 directly on the screen by flipping a toggle on the toolbar.

RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
Altema @ 10/2/2003 1:20:03 AM #
On the T1, a 30k spreadsheet took about 2 or 3 seconds to open. On the T3, you can't even read the "Opening native..." message because it just blinks on the screen.

RE: Docs to Go 6 w/native MS Word/Excel - How Fast on T3?
cwalexan @ 10/2/2003 9:38:01 AM #
Regarding speed of native mode for an Excel spreadsheet, I personally think that it depends on the content and structure of the native document. It sounds obvious, but here's how I've come to this conclusion.

I have a 3.5Mb spreadsheet, and is not designed very well (I created it over two years ago as a quick interim solution for result and stat tracking for dart leagues, and has continued to grow unabated since). It contains many sheets (at least 15 now), and all contain formulas (and two of these are sheets are huge).

Anyway, I was looking forward to the native mode, too, mainly to avoid the minutes (plural) the slow PC I primarily sync to takes to convert it. Well, in native format, there's no conversion, so that part met my expectations. However, my attempt to open the native document was not even 50% complete after about 3 minutes when I canceled it.

On the other hand, even when converted, opening and closing the converted document on my original T|T would take at least 5 seconds, and sometimes more, after resizing a few fields, etc. (I won't even mention how long it would take if I changed a value used in a formula somewhere!). However, on the T|T3, opening and closing takes less than a second, even after resizing fields, etc. Of course, right now on the T|T3 I have the document in RAM, whereas on the TT I had in on an external card...

Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?

epreseley @ 10/1/2003 5:12:46 PM #
With the new fields in the new version of the address book (contacts), can you beam an address to someone with an older Palm that has the original address book database?

Thanks,
Aron.

RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Admin @ 10/1/2003 6:34:33 PM #
yes, this is no problem
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Scott R @ 10/1/2003 7:11:48 PM #
Ryan, is it safe to assume, though, that Custom fields 5-9, the Birthday field, and the extra addresses will not be beamed over?

Scott

http://TapLand.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
Admin @ 10/1/2003 7:20:11 PM #
I just tested it, I sent an address created by the T3 with all the new fields and birthday and new custom records etc.. and beamed it to my TT.
Everything but the new 'enhanced' fields were transfered.
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 1:18:06 AM #
Woulda been nice if the "extras" were still beamed over, but inserted into the notes field.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Can you beam addresses from new PIM to palms w/old version?
bjf182 @ 10/2/2003 8:26:57 AM #
How backward compatible are the standard sync conduits? I can't update the sync software we use at work (PocketMirror), and would still need to sync with my work machine. Do the new PIM apps still sync with the old conduits?

Built-in DocsToGo?

bedohave @ 10/1/2003 5:35:37 PM #
If they've loaded DocsToGo in ROM, what happens when, down the road, I want to upgrade to a newer release from DataViz?



RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
enjolras @ 10/1/2003 6:15:46 PM #
Whatever resides in RAM automatically takes precedence over what's in ROM. So if you have two databases of the same name.. one in ROM and one in RAM, the one in RAM is the one that will be opened and used.

So to upgrade, just install a new version. As long as they keep their creator ID's/database names the same you will automatically use the one in RAM instead of the older version in ROM.

RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
Altema @ 10/2/2003 1:28:17 AM #
I run 6.004 on the T3 with no problems. The older files get ignored in the stock launcher. In LauncherX, the ROM app still shows up, so I moved it to a hidden folder. I may take a look at JackSprat now...

RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
bedohave @ 10/2/2003 11:50:01 AM #
Please let me know if you get JackSprat to let you modify the T3 ROM!

Yours,

Mike

RE: Built-in DocsToGo?
Altema @ 10/4/2003 9:12:29 PM #
Brayder has not tested JackSprat with OS5.2. They know their stuff, so I'll wait until they give the go-ahead. Corrupted ROMs are not fixed with a simple reset!

Very beautiful Handheld

vesther @ 10/1/2003 5:45:36 PM #
This handheld sure puts my poor Tungsten T to shame!!! :(

I have to admit though that even though the Battery can use a lot more work, I really like the overall design of this handheld plus the fact that you can have it either Landscape or Portrait. Not to mention VG, though I don't use Graffiti whatsoever. I have yet to see a Tungsten T3, though (but I'm gonna have to wait next year for Palm OS 6.0 to come out because I'm bargaining for Palm OS 6.0 at this point, furthermore, I prefer Tungsten Cs over Tungsten Ts now because I'm a Wi-Fi Nut).

The only low point I would have to say is the fact that it should've included Built-In Wi-Fi instead of Bluetooth, and the improved button layout should be 6-Buttons instead of 4.

Otherwise, the Tungsten T3 is one of the most beautiful handhelds in the market.

My Primary Handheld: Palm Tungsten C "Air Swallow"
My Secondary Handheld: Palm Tungsten T "Sea Chugger"

What is V6.0 going to offer
JetsFlyer @ 10/1/2003 9:39:36 PM #
you that's worth waiting for?
And, what do you love about wifi so much?

Just curious, cuz I'm shopping

6 buttons instead of 4?
Marshall Flinkman @ 10/2/2003 10:04:56 PM #
What would the other two be?

docs to go & on screen grafitti

carioca76 @ 10/1/2003 6:16:10 PM #
I just saw this at compusa, had to convince the inv dept that today is the release day but ...
The thing is tiny!
The doc's to go is awesome
the flip screen is flawless
I made a word doc & excel spreadsheet with landscape full screen on screen writing & it was perfect.

Now I am trying to replace my t615 with it & am told the replacement plan is now being enforced differently then when I was sold mine. They will determine what I can replace with.

I don't agree with being sold one thing & them changing the terms mid contract. I have to go back this evening while they test my pda.

Any suggestions on how to win this arguement?

RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:27:52 PM #
If the agreement was one way when you bought it, they CANNOT change it after the fact. Tell them you will contact the State Attorney General and state consumer protection agency to complain -- not to mention b*tch about it all over the net!

RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:30:22 PM #
Then again, after posting, the back of my brain reminded me that these sort of deals often have weasel language ingrained into the contract, viz: "Terms and conditions subject to change without notice." R*t b*st*rds!

RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
Bartman007 @ 10/1/2003 8:02:19 PM #
If you still have a copy of the contract terms from when you signed that, reread it. I am be wrong, but unless it specifically says somewhere that exchangement/trade-in terms may be changed at a future time, they have to legally abide to the contract that you hold in your hands. If they don't it is fraud, and that can normally be solved by asking for the manager, or calling the BBB.


Peace,
-Bartman007

RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
Bartman007 @ 10/1/2003 8:04:50 PM #
DOH!! That's what I get for writing out a post and then leaving it for a few hours before I clicked Post Comment, mike beat me to the punch.

RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
tthiel @ 10/2/2003 3:03:52 AM #
So CompUsa is made up of liars and cheats? I'm shocked!

RE: docs to go & on screen grafitti
carioca76 @ 10/3/2003 6:10:48 PM #
Well I'm back. the Tech Services manager was very helpful. After several phone calls & visits & 2 days I am the proud owner of a T3.
The first day I was there an older gentleman said to me as he left the tech dept. "stick to your guns, son" & I did.
Bought another warranty understanding the new policy cause its better than a broken $400 machine but I wanted them to honor my previous agreement & eventually they did.

Slider ugh

tthiel @ 10/1/2003 6:50:57 PM #
I just saw one at CompUsa, very impressive but the slider bugs me and I'm not too happy about paying $399 for a T2 just a few months ago.

RE: Slider ugh
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 1:21:56 AM #
Ahhh, the value of rumors.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Slider ugh
Altema @ 10/4/2003 9:19:06 PM #
Don't let the slider bug you, it's a solid piece of hardware. It's one of the few ways to make a device that is only a half inch longer than it's entire screen. I was going to buy the T3 until I caught the T3 rumors, but I do have my faithful and 'fairly-new' T1... which my wife no longer wants after seeing the 3!

Long memos on Desktop?

Grauniad @ 10/1/2003 7:45:22 PM #
Does anyone know whether the new long memos and notes can be created and stored in the new Palm Desktop app (especially for Mac), and whether they can be synced between the desktop and the PDA?

RE: Long memos on Desktop?
mikecane @ 10/1/2003 7:49:08 PM #
I don't see why they couldn't be. The new Desktop has to have been updated to allow such HotSyncing.

Australia ignorant about palms??

OzMax @ 10/1/2003 9:55:34 PM #
And yet again, it seems Australia is years behind the pack. Noone in Australia even KNEW or cares that Palm have updated their range. I mean, the T|T is still being sold as the latest and greatest. ARGH.......

I guess I will have to forget actually trying to GET a T|T3 or an T|E anytime soon. Have money in hand, but can't find anyone who can actually sell me a unit.

(mind you, they were only released a day ago, but still...... :-) )


RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 1:23:09 AM #
eBAY mate. They were on sale last week.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
Altema @ 10/2/2003 1:35:48 AM #
The CompUSA I went this morning did not even know they HAD the T3. After checking their computer, they discovered they had five locked up in the back room. BUT, at least they know the T1 is not full price anymore ;)

RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
OzMax @ 10/2/2003 3:15:02 AM #
"...BUT, at least they know the T1 is not full price anymore ;)"

:-)

Not so in Australia. I found a supplier the other day selling Vx and other ancient palms at full fare oblivious to the fact they are EOL. Oh the humanity......

RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
Jacko @ 10/2/2003 8:55:07 AM #
Where do you people live? Organiser World in Melbourne (http://www.ow.com.au/) has the T3 for $749, which is $50 less than the RRP. They deliver too.

RE: Australia ignorant about palms??
jodihansen @ 10/3/2003 11:05:32 AM #
It seems that stock may not have arrived in Australia just yet. Organiser World are going to notify me when they get stock in. I know that it is listed on their web site but I think that stock is not available yet.

The Australian eBay site has someone selling the T3 for a 'by it now' price of $649.95AUD plus $20 postage....you can save yourself $80 by doing that. However, stock does not arrive for a few days yet.

I personally, have just listed my Palm Vx and iPAQ 3870 on eBay. If they sell then I will get a T3.

Jodi

NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!

palmstory @ 10/2/2003 2:24:59 AM #
As I was about to place order on T-3, I asked Palm Tech Support these Q's

-----------
64 MB Backup Card Plus

http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1306839&cp=1170719.115
7589

back up EVERYTHING, including 3 party Applications, and their data, or
does it only do

? Selective backup and restore of specific PIM application data

This

? Selective backup and restore of individual files/applications?

implies that it should backup EVERYTHING, including 3 party
Applications, and their data

Also, with this Palm? 64 MB Backup Card Plus, can I do Save As, i.e.
Save Addresses, let's say, as Addresses1001, then another copy as
Addresses1002. This way, if my Addresses get corrupted, I can
Restore(Overwrite them) from this Palm? 64 MB Backup Card Plus with
Addresses1001, or Addresses1002?

--------------
Palm Tech Support, Melisa in Ontario, Canada - stated that 64 MB Backup Card Plus backs up EVERYTHING! But later that day, I received email from Palm Tech Support rep. Yogesh D stated this --

1. Backup cards: They are only used to back up of all the data of the
Palm handheld as and when required and retrieve them back from the card.
They do not have any other function. The Backup card can be used only
to backup the information in the basic applications (Address Book, Date
Book, To Do List and Memo Pad) on your Palm handheld. It does not back
up third-party data.
--------------

As a USER, I am VERY FRUSTRADED, and as a SHAREHOLDER of Palm Stock, I am HIGHLY disappointed that MY COMPANY can't provide MORE CLARITY on such BASIC issues!

I need a new PDA ASAP, and I would prefer T-3 to Z21, but knowing that T-3 has no OS6 future is forcing me towards a disposable Z21. Adding to further frustration is the BACKUP Q --

If 64 MB Backup Card Plus does NOT back up EVERYTHING, i.e including 3 party stuff, which product does?! On my Palm IIIx and Mac OS 9.0.4, I've been using a fantastic product called Backup Buddy! Why doesn't Palm offer EVERYTHING Backup Option as a DEFAULT?!

RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
tthiel @ 10/2/2003 3:02:01 AM #
Would you like some Cheese with your Whine?

RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
OzMax @ 10/2/2003 3:18:13 AM #
RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
helf @ 10/2/2003 8:45:11 AM #
How bout you stop bitching like a little school girl and go LOOK FOR A FSCKING PROGRAM TO BACKUP YOUR PALM.


There are tons of backup programs..

backupman
botsam backup
backup pro.... etc

go look on palmgear.com , freewarepalm.com, palmblvd.com,

RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
paulearle @ 10/2/2003 8:45:58 AM #
Just out of curiosity ... why the "No OS6 upgrade" part of your title.

From the different forums I'm reading it's not conclusive yet whether the OS6 will or will not be available for the T3?

Do you know something specific?



RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
palmstory @ 10/2/2003 2:31:21 PM #
Re: helf @ 10/2/2003 8:45:11 AM

> How bout you stop bitching like a little school girl and go LOOK FOR A FSCKING
> PROGRAM TO BACKUP YOUR PALM.

> There are tons of backup programs..
>
> backupman
> botsam backup
> backup pro.... etc

> go look on palmgear.com , freewarepalm.com, palmblvd.com
-----
On one hand "stop bitching like a little school girl ", is VERY HARSH and NASTY, and totally unnecessary! Then you try to help by suggesting other products.
Given how FANTASTIC http://www.palminfocenter.com is with all these Forums etc., why would you want to poison the air with such NASTY digs? I am not the only person "bitching" here, and most of this FORUM is full of complaints, wish list items etc. We all have our "issues", Palm among them:):):) . The idea in this Forum is to help, and INSULTS undermine the spirit of this Forum. Good luck on ALL your issues. To quote a great American, Rodney King:), "Can't we all get along?". Now let's get back to the topics at Handheld:) And THANK YOU for those products ideas... REALLY!

BTW. BackupBuddy doesn't do OSX

http://www.bluenomad.com/support/supp_backupbuddy_mac.html

it says --

> Does BackupBuddy work with OSX?
> Not at this time... BackupBuddy has to be updated to work with Mac OSX. If you
> have a handheld device with Memory Stick or memory card, you can use
> BackupBuddyVFS to backup to your memory card.

Which, to me, suggests that it'll probably be at least a year before OS6 PDA's are out there, and then developers will be playing catch up. Yes I've heard that OS6 Developer Kits will be out in Feb 2004(?), but the developers would probably want to test their software on OS6 PDA's 1st hand, right?

Here is another way of looking at OS "timing" issue --

Tungsten T-3 - $399
Palm Protection Plan Plus -- $49.95***
64 MB Backup Card Plus -- $69.95
---------
Total at Palm Store $518.90 + No tax

COST OF OWNERSHIP --
$518.90 for 1 year = $1.42 per day
$518.90 for 2 year = $0.71 per day

OS6 Devices are approximately 1 year away. Tungsten T-3 will be on OS5.2.1 for 1 year concurrently with OS6 PDA's. In 2 years from now, $518.90 for 2 year = $0.71 per day, we'll be looking at Smartphones.

CONCLUSION -- it will be another 1-2 years till Smartphones are mainstream, and till then do I want to live FAT on a nice Tungsten T-3, GREAT COLOR, or without Backlight on Z21 in BLACK+WHITE.

I've squeezed 4 years + 2 months from my Palm IIIx @ $275 = 19c per DAY for 4 years, or 38 cent per DAY for 2 years! Compare to Tungsten T-3 = $518.90 for 2 year = $0.71 per day

RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 2:35:41 PM #
Sounds more like your shares in Palm Inc are actually short positions rather than actual shares. Nobody who enjoys money bashes a stock that they own. If it's a dog they sell it or short it and then bash it. Sounds like you may wanna get back to pumpin' & dumpin' over on the Yahoo Message Boards.

Enjoyed your viewpoint on choosing between the Zire 21 over the TT3. Sounds like the time that my local Rolls Royce dealer didn't offer a trailer hitch on the new model, so I just decided to get a Daewoo.

RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
JKingGrim @ 10/2/2003 3:12:55 PM #
How pathetic. Immature users like this annoy me. You are not buying a PDA because its may not be upgradeable to OS6? The T3 is an OS5 PDA. If you want OS6, wait for it and buy an OS6 PDA. Its that simple. it would be a nice upgrade, but it is not necesary. The T3 will continue to run fine without OS6. Why should Palm adhere to your specific needs and wants? The average PDA consumer does not go online to check the news and see if the latest OS version is out. They buy a PDA, use a PDA, the buy a new one when the need it. They couldn't care less what OS version they have, as long as it works.

RE: NO OS6 UPGRADE, NO 3rd Party Backup -- OUTRAGEOUS!!!
kayen @ 10/15/2003 11:19:29 AM #
Smartphones? No thanks unless they can manage a large screen while still keeping the thing phone-sized which is physically impossible. And since I don't want to have to pay for a new phone when I upgrade my PDA or vice-versa the current two devices scenario is perfect.

I want a dumb phone and a smart PDA.

Sound recording

rened @ 10/2/2003 3:39:02 AM #
Can somybody state how the quality of sound recording is, compared to other models?

Babies.....

ComputerBob @ 10/2/2003 6:39:44 AM #
we want VG we want big screens but we dont want a sony brick. help us palm help us!

so thats exactlky what u got!! u have to have slider, or its gunna be a sony brick (well not really, but slider makes it so much smaller in ur pocket)

You got what u wished for! now suck it up! this is the best PDA ive seen (love my brick, but its just too darn big)

RE: Babies.....
helf @ 10/2/2003 8:48:05 AM #
PIC users : "WHINE WHINE, BITCH BITCH, MOAN MOAN!"

Palm designers: "oh for the love of christ.. Will they ever be happy??"

Smart users : "Thats really nice, but doesnt have good batt life And I really dont need it. Stick with my he330 ;)"

T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?

cnegrad @ 10/2/2003 8:46:09 AM #
Greetings,

A friend of mine has gotten two conflicting emails from Palm about whether or not the T3 will be upgradable to OS6. In one email, Palm stated that OS6 devices will not be available for 2 years, so this is a non-issue.

Can anyone get a definitive answer on this? i would really hate to buy a T3 now, and find myself orphaned 6 months from now.....

Regards,
-cnegrad

RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
helf @ 10/2/2003 8:50:36 AM #
2 years? I'm expecting os6 palms late 2004...

RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
cnegrad @ 10/2/2003 9:49:46 AM #
Oops...that should have read one year. I don't see anyway to edit ones posts around here...

RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
kayen @ 10/2/2003 10:45:14 AM #
The claim is that PalmSource announced a release date of 29 December 2003 for the release of OS 6 - it was implied that licensees already have a pre-release version in their hands. PalmOne are being very cagey with regard to upgrades - for one thing I think they may have made an error in putting on 16Mb flash ROM onto the T3 - they should by now know whether there are going to be hardware conflicts or a lack of memory.

I can't see any real advantage to the PocketPC right now though - it's applications don't appear to be any better or more capable. I don't see anything major I can do with a PocketPC that I can't do with the T3, but...

Still I'm dubious about spending $400 (need Bluetooth) on a PDA even though I need one now, unless PalmOne are willing to come out and make a commitment to either an OS upgrade or a reasonably cheap hardware upgrade. I they screw me on this I'll buy a new PDA, but it'll be a PocketPC.

RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
Altema @ 10/2/2003 10:57:02 AM #
I don't think it will be lack of memory. They had enough space leftover to include Kinoma, DocsToGo, VersaMail, Photos, and a bunch of other stuff on top of OS5.2 in ROM. Unless they plan on keeping all the extra apps in ROM along WITH OS6, it should be able to fit.

RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
LiveFaith @ 10/2/2003 2:49:26 PM #
Guys. There is a simple upgrade path from all OS5 devices to OS6.

E-B-A-Y

Seriously, do you really want to upgrade a 1 year old (outdated) T3 while your buddys have the T5 w/ OS6? Just a thot.

RE: T3 Not Upgradable to OS6?
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:43:42 PM #
>>>I they screw me on this [no OS6 for the TT3] I'll buy a new PDA, but it'll be a PocketPC.

Have fun with that low res screen and adding to the bank accounts of Ba'al Gates and Steve Ba'almer.

And then you'll say the same damned thing on a PPC board when PPC2004 or whatever comes out and isn't offered for the one you bought! (Hello! Most PPCs could NOT get the 2003 PPC upgrade!)


Can T3 sync in a Palm 515 cradle?

Cheetah @ 10/2/2003 10:38:49 AM #
Different people in the house have different models of Palm. I don't want to have to have different cradles if I can avoid it.



RE: Can T3 sync in a Palm 515 cradle?
Altema @ 10/2/2003 10:54:36 AM #
Yes, my T3 cradle is still in the box.

RE: Can T3 sync in a Palm 515 cradle?
statik @ 10/2/2003 11:52:48 PM #
You can always sync with IR. It works great with the various Palm, Sony and Kyocera models that I get to play with at work.

Only draw back is that you can't charge while you sync.

Are all the T series stylus the same?

Cheetah @ 10/2/2003 10:42:59 AM #
Will a T1 stylus fit in a T3

RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
Altema @ 10/2/2003 10:55:36 AM #
Same stylus.

RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 5:39:41 PM #
The damn thing is worth buying for the stylus alone if you ask me.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:50:37 PM #
Nobody asked you. Nobody in their right mind would ever ask you.

But I second what you said.

As if anybody would ask me!

RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
robrecht @ 10/2/2003 10:08:10 PM #
How did I know you were going to say that? I promise, you will feel better if you take your meds every day!

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
mikecane @ 10/3/2003 4:32:09 PM #
I ran out again. Can I borrow some of yours? I hear you and Rush Limbaugh have the same supplier.

RE: Are all the T series stylus the same?
Altema @ 10/4/2003 9:30:28 PM #
Hey Mike, if you run out of meds, you can grab a bunch of Clie stylus replacement packs and try accupuncture!

REQ for a file: System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB from a T|3

mattyparanoid @ 10/2/2003 11:32:33 AM #
Can someone please email the updated system sounds .pdb from a Zire71 or T|3? I want to load it on my T|C and see if it works.

I think the file name is:

System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB

My email address is mattyparanoid@hotmail.com

TIA

matty

RE: REQ for a file: System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB from a T|3
orb2069 @ 10/2/2003 2:08:45 PM #
Likewise, I'd like to hear some opinions on how loud the alarm speaker is, compared to one of the OS3/4 Palms.

I haven't actually heard an alarm on the Tungsten models - How does it compare to some of the OS3 machines?

RE: REQ for a file: System_MIDI_Sounds.PDB from a T|3
Altema @ 10/2/2003 5:18:53 PM #
The T1 alarms are adequate, and louder that most of the previous devices. I would often sleep through alarms on the IIIe, IIIx, and IIIc. The T1 had no problems waking me up unless I was exausted.

I was not ready when I heard the T3 alarm go off... scared the mess out of me and I almost dropped it.

I currently have the system sounds off, game sound on low, and alarm sound on low. If you want to use it as an alarm clock on high, make sure you are used to the sound and volume. Otherwise you might be starled out of your sleep and smash the thing in panic.

Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?

sam_in_silver @ 10/2/2003 11:31:36 AM #
I bought a Tungsten C when they came out, and I just don't use it. Many reasons, of which some were crucial to me.
1. Soft Buttons - I use them eg for the calculator
2. I can't abise graffiti 2
3. I can't abide the timing issues of ~ is it select
text or ~ is this a character thus...
4. I require a dedicated graffiti area
5. Thus I want a dedicated graffiti area as well as
the soft buttons.
6. The kiss of death for me on the TC was the change
in hard buttons.
I want a PDA compatible with the conventional Palm and with my cel phone PDAs.

QUESTION: does the T3 have soft buttons and a dedicated graffiti area, and can I force a dedicated graffiti area to remain visible along with soft keys?

QUESTION: the TC wobbles on its cradle, and can abort o hotsync. Does the T3 sit firmly on its cradle?

Thanks to Teal Script I can solve teh graffiti2 botch up and revert easily to graffiti1. I am sorry, those double strokes, especially coupled with the timing issus (of is it text or is it text select) make graffiti2 unacceptable to me.

Simon



RE: Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
JKingGrim @ 10/2/2003 3:29:58 PM #
You dont need to force the graphiti box to stay up. It only closes when you tell it to, though I predict that you won't keep it closed for long.

BTW, there is a procedure to replace G2 with G1. look in the forums.

RE: Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
sam_in_silver @ 10/2/2003 10:57:04 PM #
Thanks, yes I did follow the graffiti 1 replacement trick, I have a M515 but could find only one of the two files needed. Hence TealScript. It took me a while to figure out TealScript, but once I did, I was happy with it.

I do a lot of data entry, and searches on strings, hence my need for the graffiti area, and I got very tired on the TC of accidently selecting text when I thought I was drawing a letter, and bingo, the next thing I did deleted the text. And since I do graffiti fast, I entered the next character, so the deleced text was unrecoverable.

Similarly, I often need the calculator, hence the soft button. With the TC you have to go to the applications display then find the calculator and use it.

Words fail me on that TC keyboard. I have a digital pager whose keyboard is the same size BUT its layout is much more practical.

And the TC change in the second row up of hard buttons whose sequence bears no correlation to the prior soft buttons, was also another disaster.

So I will prabably get the T3. Now what the heck do I do with the TC which has been collecting dust!

Simon

RE: Things I want in my PDA - are they ont he T3?
sam_in_silver @ 10/5/2003 10:51:10 PM #
Well, I bought the T3. After experimenting with it in the Frys store, I decided it would at least be functional compared to the Tungsten C which I detest.

In essence, Palm seems to have listened.

1. The T3 doesnt wobble as badly as the TC on the stand.
2. There is no longer a screen delay so you cant accidently block select text AND delete it in the next entry because...
3. The virtual graffitti area exists and works
4. And with TeaclScript I get my old graffitti 1 back
5. My MP3s played when I took the SD card from the TC to the T3.
6. Major miracle of miracles, my Kinoma movies I saved in .pdb form I simply synchd -and- they played with good quality and sound.
7. You can tailor the soft keys in the virtual graffitti area - I like the old PowerONE calculator for the top right soft key.
8. This really pxxxed me off - they even change the Icon on the soft buttons in the virtual graffitti area when you select your favorite program. I admit I am pleased!

It works in my old stand, and I didn't load the new desktop because my cel phone needed the version I have, and it still synched.

So, grudgingly, I give the Tungsten 3 a thumbs up. It meets my stated needs.

I do still have something to bitch about however: now what to do with the TC?

Simon

Transferring Data to the TT3

HowYouDoin! @ 10/2/2003 1:34:39 PM #
I am hoping to pick up the TT3 within the next week. I have a new Laptop that I will be using to sync my TT3 with (this laptop does not have Palm desktop loaded). I want to transfer ONLY MY PIM apps from the Vx to the TT3 and then setup the laptop with Palm Desktop to be used with the TT3. I know that there are different ways to accomplish this, but what is the easiest way? thanks

RE: Transferring Data to the TT3
Admin @ 10/2/2003 4:35:27 PM #
I always use filez or something equivelent, and just beam over the associated databases for each PIM app. It works for the T3 too.
RE: Transferring Data to the TT3
4s @ 10/3/2003 10:53:10 AM #
You could just beam over the databases you want.

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T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!

shatter @ 10/2/2003 3:05:25 PM #
Well, just when I thought the T3 was what I wanted I have some bad news. You can not adjust the screen brightness. I called and spoke to Palm and they said that did not know how to do it and then an engineer came on the line and said that they have had some major problems with battery life on the T3 and had to disable the brightness control. The screen is not even close to the Zire71 or the other Tungstens for that matter. If the brightness could be tweaked a tad, it would be a huge hit! Love everything else. That one problem alone made me leave it on the shelf....*#&!

RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
jcmorganstein @ 10/2/2003 3:56:01 PM #
Your statements are incorrect. I have adjusted the brightness on my T3 by tapping the system icon (4th from the left) on the icon bar at the bottom of the screen. This brings up memory, time, battery info. You adjust the slider to change brightness.

As far as the battery issue, I can't comment with certainty. However, I just upgraded from a TT yesterday and the battery appears to be getting used up at a comparable rate with the T3.

Your comments about the screen couldn't be further from the truth. In a side-by-side comparison, my eyes perceive the T3 screen's LOWEST brightness to be approximately as bright as the TT screen's HIGHEST brightness setting. Colors are incredible rich and pleasing to the eye. I have yet to see a screen of this caliber and I believe it rivals the best screens on the market today.

-jcm

RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
Admin @ 10/2/2003 4:32:56 PM #
Is this a joke? Just click the time in the status bar
RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
Altema @ 10/2/2003 5:15:16 PM #
Yes, it's a joke. Next will be a warning that only the original PIM apps will run...

RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
Palmary @ 10/3/2003 5:35:37 AM #
Are you using CIC's Jot?

I too was perturbed to find that I could only use the Home, Find, Screen Orientation and VG 'buttons'. I couldn't activate System, Menu or Onscreen Graffiti. Once I disabled Jot and the control strip functioned perfectly.

Hopefully CIC will come up with a solution soon. In the meantime I just use WordComplete with G2, which doesn't bother me at all.

Personally, I'm delighted with my T3. Yes, I am a fan of the slider. I love the screen, I like the improved PIMs, and (after initial scepticism) I have found the 'hard' button layout to be an improvement that makes it much easier to use with one hand. I think Palm has done a superb job.

I have owned a V, Vx, M500, M515, TT (two of them!), T2, TC and now a T3. While I wouldn't recommend the T3 to a newbie or someone who just wants a diary and address book, the T3 is a well constructed and well designed PDA.

RE: T3 Buyers Beware!!!!!!
alexp @ 10/3/2003 11:37:25 AM #
Oh, my God.

"shatter" is either:
1) using software that messes with the system
2) joking
3) not very bright
4) a troll looking to spread FUD

1) If it's software, I suggest you hard reset and reinstall one-by-one to isolate the offender.
2) If you're joking, you need to be funnier and give clearer indications that it's a joke.
3) If you're not very bright, I suggest you refrain from announcing your ignorance to the world by posting stuff like this
4) If you're a troll, then you're ALSO not very bright in this case, posting a claim that's so implausible and easily debunked. I suggest, obviously, that you stop posting on this site.


OS6 on the T3

cnegrad @ 10/2/2003 4:46:30 PM #
I got the following response from palm support:

........the Palm Tungsten T3 handheld has a flashable ROM and hence you
should be able to upgrade the Palm OS of the Palm handheld. However, we
at Palm Technical Support do not have the necessary resources to comment
whether Palm OS 6 will be compatible with the Palm Tungsten T3 handheld.
We at Palm Technical Support are unable to comment on future unreleased
products of Palm, Inc.

-cnegrad

RE: OS6 on the T3
mikecane @ 10/2/2003 6:53:32 PM #
Geez, let's put this damned thing to rest right now!

Given the way Palm PDA prices have been plummeting (well, for *Palm* it's a plummet!), next year's OS6 PDAs will have much more power for much less money.

At least those from PalmOne.

Sony will no doubt bring out something for $800.

RE: OS6 on the T3
helf @ 10/2/2003 10:11:45 PM #
for real. STOP wondering if itll be upgradable or not.. jeez..

RE: OS6 on the T3
ganoe @ 10/3/2003 8:23:34 AM #
I seriously doubt hardware six months from now is going to be considerably different than what you see today. For many out there, the T3 is quite an ideal design.

If Palm could tell me today that this device (or Tapwave with the Zodiac) will be upgradable to OS 6, I would give their device serious thought. Otherwise, I can wait till next year. I'm clearly not the only person that feels that way. If Palm wants these people's money, they could commit to an upgrade.

Of course, odds are that the money to be made from the commitment isn't worth the costs involved.

RE: OS6 on the T3
ganoe @ 10/3/2003 8:41:33 AM #
I'll rephrase my comment. It's a lot more practical to be wondering if the T3 is upgradable to OS6, because that's actually possible.

I find these posts considerably more useful than the "it should have a bigger battery, WiFi, no slider, a camera and have all that in the same form as the Palm V" that permeates the other 95% of the comments here. Oh yeah, like Palm's going to get back to you tomorrow on that one.

So, geez/jeez STOP telling people what they can or can't ask.

RE: OS6 on the T3
helf @ 10/3/2003 9:09:36 AM #
I wasnt really.. This was just the 10th such comment. Instead of adding to one thats started already, they just start another one. its annoying. and yes, the ones complaining about crap are annyoing too.

RE: OS6 on the T3
mikecane @ 10/4/2003 5:37:41 PM #
I have a CLIE S320. Never an OS upgrade for that. Prior to that, a Palm III. Never expected that to get OS5.

Really, I don't see the fuss about an OS6 upgrade. There's ebay (or relatives!) to get rid of old ones. And think of the enjoyment you have from such a speedier model in the meantime. Besides, how sure are you that you might not drop the unit (alas, my poor Palm III died that way!) or lose it or whatever?

And let's say Palm did give an upgrade -- but owing to ROM size, it was a *subset* of OS6. Would that make you (you = anyone/everyone) scream, "I've been cheated!"?

USA/UK Differences

tkerby @ 10/3/2003 7:30:56 AM #
Can someone tell me if there is a difference between US and UK versions of the Palm T3? I know a different charger will be in the box but is any aspect of the os/installed apps different. I'm over in the US shortly and they are so much cheaper!

UK prices for T3

StrawberryFrog @ 10/3/2003 8:55:15 AM #
http://www-5.palmone.com/uk/en/store/palmdirect.html
is selling the T3 for £329

http://www.dabs.com is selling it for £304

http://www.expansys.com/ lists it £285.63

All these prices include tax.

Is there some trick to this, or is the palm store the worst deal here? Are these 3 prices all for the same thing - ie are the extras in the box the same?

Where would you buy a palm online in the UK - or would you take a walk down Tottenham Court Road? Will the price drop in a week or two?

ribbit

RE: UK prices for T3
Louis Berk @ 10/3/2003 9:50:24 AM #
Expansys is by far and away the best place to buy any PDA kit in the UK. By price and by service. If it is in stock and you order before some time in the afternoon (can't remember when) you get it next day via Royal Mail Special Delivery.

Personally, I still use Tottenham Court Road for laptops and digital cameras but all other items of kit, be it PDAs or peripherals I buy online.

Louis

RE: UK prices for T3
tkerby @ 10/7/2003 10:52:13 AM #
I've ordered from Dabs after the Expansys stock control system messed me around too much. Note that while their website can claim stock and their tracker can tell you an order has progressed to shipping, this does not mean they have stock. Stock is only allocated once an order leaves the building so there is a potential for large numbers of orders queued up. If a queue forms, you can be told that your order is processed and awaiting shipping when in fact there may be weeks of delay while other customers receive devices.

The current estimate for more stock at Expansys is two weeks but they have a large backlog of orders to fill.

Interestingly, they also told me that the T2 is now discontinued by Palm hence the uptake on the T3 rising. I think this may be proce related (note T3 is cheaper than the T2 which is cheaper than the T ?!?!?!)

I was also told by another retailer that because Palm were annoyed that details leaked from some retailers they are carefully controlling device release. Some retailers who posted details before 1st of October may not receive stock for up to three weeks as 'punishment' for this. I'm not sure if this is to believed....

RE: UK prices for T3
StrawberryFrog @ 10/8/2003 8:46:32 AM #
> Note that while their website can claim stock and their tracker can tell you an order has progressed to shipping, this does not mean they have stock.

That's where I'm stuck right now. The instockness of the items in my order seems to change day to day. First they have it for my order, then they don't any more. Argh. Should I cancel? How long might it take? Bah.

ribbit

RE: UK prices for T3
kayen @ 10/16/2003 8:35:32 AM #
I was checking Expansys fairly regularly since release and it was usually listed as 1-2 days or 1 day; when I had all my ducks in a row, this week, it now said 5 days and indicated there could be a delay - ordered it evening of the 14th expecting to have to wait a week, received notification around 13h00 on the 15th that it had shipped and received it this morning.

It does sometimes happen that on-line retailers get overloaded and things go a little awry. I think we have a tendency to expect everything to happen instantly and for businesses to operate perfectly which is a totally unreasonable expectation. I only get upset when it is clear someone is deliberately messing me around.

As for prices the manufacturer's web site is usually the most expensive place to buy anything, although I have found Tottenham Court road retailers with prices beyond even the manufacturer's RRP.

RE: UK prices for T3
StrawberryFrog @ 10/23/2003 10:42:00 AM #
I will probably order palm and bluetooth accessories via Expansys at some time in the future, but I finally cancelled the order and bought from Dabs instead. The last straw was after watching the expansys order "tracking" system - the counter said "4 days until delivery" counter for 4 days, then changed to "5 days". Dabs delivered in 48 hours. £20 more, but worth it.

No offence to expansys – No doubt when they have product in stock they provide a good service at an unbeatable price. But they clearly haven't overspent on stock control systems.


ribbit

RE: UK prices for T3
kayen @ 12/3/2003 1:05:30 PM #
Ordered mine from Expansys right around the time when there was a reported shortage, including the official Palm Europe site saying there were none available. Received it 3 days after I placed the order.

I've used Dabs in the past and they were also very quick. In this case though I am exiting the country for a while so I want my VAT back.

MacOS X Entourage sync ?

Colonel Panic @ 10/3/2003 10:04:45 AM #
Can anyone with Office X for Mac confirm this baby still syncs ? If Palm have changed the standard PIM apps, they might have inadvertently broken synchronisation... tell me it ain't so...

Thanks

Colonel Panic

T4 predictions?

ronpro @ 10/3/2003 10:29:01 AM #
I havn't heard any rumors on the T4, but does anybody have any predictions of their own?

I'm guessing April/May release (since palm has a hitory of spring/fall releases). I'm thingking it will be based on the T|T3 but with 128Meg RAM, OS 6, with Java integrated into the WebBrowser, and perhaps a slightly larger battery. I know a lot of people are saying we won't see OS 6 for a year, but I'm thinking if Palm is releasing a dev kit in Dec, it must be pretty far along.

Now for pricing. I'm thinking that Palm is going to see how the T|T3 sells. If it sells poorly, T|T4 will be released at $399 or $450 and the T|T3 will drop by $50-$75. If the T|T3 is selling well, the T|T4 will be released at $450 to $500 and the T|T3 will drop $25-$50.

Anybody else got their own predictions?

Ron

RE: T4 predictions?
Tungsten @ 10/3/2003 3:25:21 PM #
In that case, I would pray that the T3 bombs!

RE: T4 predictions?
kayen @ 10/16/2003 8:46:22 AM #
The T3 appears to be selling like the proverbial hotcakes. Still I see no reason why a T3 replacement shouldn't come in at the same price - they'd have to be careful about not overpricing.

After consideration I realised the best option is to get the T3 and use it until the 2nd or even 3rd generation OS6 devices make their appearance - give them time to get the bugs out and add forgotten enhancements. Just like any other OS really.

New OS stuff

Cheetah @ 10/3/2003 10:57:29 AM #
Perhaps I've been a sleep, but I thought several of the new OS features were going to be in OS6.

For example, I was surprised to see the following in an OS5 Palm:

Virtual Graffitti
Signficant enhancements to the PIM applications
Increased memo pad memory limit
Landscape screen

Were these new features rumored for T3?



RE: New OS stuff
mikecane @ 10/4/2003 5:43:49 PM #
>>>For example, I was surprised to see the following in an OS5 Palm:

Virtual Graffitti
Signficant enhancements to the PIM applications

-- CLIEs have had both! Sony modified the Contacts so it could display a picture. And the Nx CLIEs have had Soft Graff (yes, alone with the HandEra!).

This is part of licensee customization of the OS.

RE: New OS stuff
JKingGrim @ 10/5/2003 5:19:35 PM #
These used to be custom mods, but are now rolled into the OS.

Hi Res Icons? More Fonts?

fleegle @ 10/3/2003 5:01:38 PM #
All the pictures I've seen of the T3 show the standard three column (large) icons. Can the T3 display smaller icons like the Clie and HE330? Are there more font size options too?

RE: Hi Res Icons? More Fonts?
Palmary @ 10/3/2003 6:18:17 PM #
The Palm launcher's display options are just "icon" and "list" (Options menu -> Preferences). No 'small icon' option.

Bluetooth Phone Drivers

mclaughlinc @ 10/3/2003 11:42:10 PM #
Did Palm Source or Palm One ever update and add to the list of phone drivers? I sold my Tungsten T because of the lack of support of new Bluetooth phones.

RE: Bluetooth Phone Drivers
Altema @ 10/4/2003 9:34:21 PM #
The list is updated for the T3, and the desktop software contains a phone link updater. I did not have the driver I needed on the T1, but a generic driver worked fine.

A couple of questions

Juggler @ 10/4/2003 8:28:46 AM #
A couple of questions:

1. I still am forced to use NT 4.0 at work -- is there a serial cradle for the T3?

2. I would like to see more information on the extended PIM apps and how the new conduit works? Is there an opportunity here for second party conduites? What fields from the PIM transfer to what fields in Outlook? Does the included conduit sync things like folders and categories (ala PocketMirror)?

RE: A couple of questions
nzjss @ 10/28/2003 10:09:27 PM #
The Palm Universal Serial Cable works with NT

T3 BlueTooth defect?

Altema @ 10/4/2003 9:37:24 PM #
Anyone had problems pairing a BT adapter when initiated from the T3? How about being unable to connect to BT access points? T1 with identical config works great like always, T3 does not work at all with AP, but links with phone fine.

RE: T3 BlueTooth defect?
French @ 10/8/2003 5:37:31 AM #
I have not used it that much yet but i was able to connect with another bluetooth user who has a sony tg50. we played a game and it seemed to work fine. that's my only bluetooth experience thus far.

RE: T3 BlueTooth defect?
nzjss @ 10/28/2003 10:12:34 PM #
If you have copied any T1 bluetooth files to the T3 it will cause problems.
-do a hard reset (you do a lot of those getting your T3 setup - have a good 3rd party backup)
-load the updated AT Phone Driver files
-my Sony T68i pairs better when done from the phone using a simple pass key such as "1"
Good Luck

About the Contacts

Brav0 @ 10/5/2003 6:35:35 AM #
I find the T|T3 to be very attractive in many ways, apart from the poor battery life. Huge memory, fast processor (a bit overkill though), Bluetooth, elegant design are all cool for me.

But I want to talk about the software. In T|T3 and OS5, Palm have made quite good improvement but there's one thing that still bothering me. Why do Palm's Contacts (in T|T3) still cannot sort the list based on the first name? I need to remind them that many people in Asian countries especially still prefer to remember the colleagues by using their first name. I know that we can use other s/w, like AddressPlus that I use in my old trusty Clie 760. But Palm should make this little but vital feature in the future.

Thanks.

RE: About the Contacts
4s @ 10/6/2003 11:15:33 AM #
I think this a very good and very interesting point. You should let Palm know about this.

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Syncing with Palm Desktop 4.0

Grauniad @ 10/7/2003 11:20:13 PM #
Do you have to install the new Palm Desktop app to be able to sync? Can you sync with an alder Palm Desktop app? I am interested in doing this as a way of quickly getting apps and data to the T3 handheld w/o replacing the desktop app which I may still require for an older handheld.
RE: Syncing with Palm Desktop 4.0
Gekko @ 10/7/2003 11:23:43 PM #
AFAIK, you need the new Tungsten-era Palm Desktop or you will get sync errors. The Notepad app and some of the OS/Sync programs are different which cause sync problems when you try to use a non-TT-era Desktop with a TT1/2/3.

T4

DrLeonP @ 10/15/2003 12:10:23 AM #
I have a TT and the T3 sounds awesome. However, I would like to see Palm offer a new model without a slider. Keep the larger size (maybe), have a large screen (including Landscape mode) and smaller buttons AND leave out the graffiti area.

The specialized input area is outdated. There are plenty of software solutions that allow input anywhere on the screen. And with the taskbar or other utilities basic options such as find, brightness, etc can be accessed without hotspots.

RE: T4
kayen @ 10/16/2003 10:52:03 AM #
The writing area at the bottom of the screen has distinct benefits; since it is virtual there is no reason to drop it other than to make the screen smaller, i.e. just 320x320. The silk-screened writing area is a waste of space.

Buttons could be shrunk, although I prefer them as they are, but the space above and below the buttons could be reduced.

RE: T4
mikecane @ 10/16/2003 11:06:41 AM #
>>>The specialized input area is outdated. There are plenty of software solutions that allow input anywhere on the screen.

Go try Transcriber/Calligrapher on a Pocket PC. Then go try Decuma on a CLIE NX73/80. Decuma, with its dedicated area, is simply superior.

RE: T4
sam_in_silver @ 10/27/2003 2:56:05 PM #
The specialized input area is NO WAY outdated!

The problem with writing graffitti anywhere on the screen, and yes there are some very good graffitti 1 systems around, TealScript, Graffitti-Anywhere, is that the use of one screen for BOTH data entry AS WELL AS line or character or even block selection, is that the system must know what you want to do.

A dedicated data input area allows tapping the screen to mean one thing, selection of a block of text OR selection of where to type.

A dual use screen means that timing is used to detect whether this is data being typed OR this is locating the cursor.

The timing problem continually hanged my up on the Tingsten C which is why I got rid of it. The T3 is better in this respect that the TC.

The T3 is a fabulous machine, although my 128mb card disagrees! Any news on how Palm is comign on fixing it?

Either 3.25" x 2.2" or 82.5mm x 61mm

kayen @ 10/15/2003 6:55:20 AM #
These two are not equal so which is the real screen size?

T3's VersaMail attachments not Mac-friendly?

bmckenzie @ 10/17/2003 4:43:12 AM #
My Tungsten T3 (Palm OS 5.2.1) came with VersaMail 2.61.

I am having a problem sending and receiving e-mail attachments between the Palm and my Mac (but not on Windows).

Composing on the Palm: If I compose an e-mail on the Palm and add an attachment (e.g. a Word file, .jpg from the SD card) and e-mail it to myself, I can view the attachment when I receive it in Outlook XP under Windows XP. However, the same e-mail copied to the same e-mail address, although received by Apple Mail (1.2.5) under Mac OS X (10.2.8), does not allow viewing of _any_ attachment added by VersaMail; all I get is a coded text file.

Composing on the desktop: If the e-mail is composed within Apple Mail under OS X and received in VersaMail on the Palm, the attachment cannot be displayed by Photo, and if an attempt is made to view e.g. a GIF file in Web Pro, I get the message "Unable to display this image. Invalid image format." If the e-mail is composed within Outlook XP under Windows XP, and received in VersaMail on the Palm, the attachment can be viewed with either Photo or Web Pro (in this example).

So it would seem that the sending and receiving of attachments with VersaMail 2.61 is dependent on the user having a Windows-based system. Can anyone confirm that this is the case?

Is its case really made of aluminum?

Sen @ 10/18/2003 6:22:30 PM #
I went to CompUSA two days ago to have a touch on the T3. I noticed that the temperature of the case body of the T3 is not as cold as that of the TT and T2. It feels like plastic case instead of aluminum. What do you think?

I have a T3

24fc @ 10/29/2003 2:58:06 PM #
Bought it two weeks ago. I've enjoyed playing with it, because it has required some playing with. My experience, to date:

1. I hate the sliding open and closing. What a pain! I can tell the thing is going to wear out and get wobbly, because it is just cheap plastic. Seemed cool on the shelf, but in real life, it makes living with the T3 pretty painful compared to my old Toshiba e310 PPC.

2. Bluetooth. Why did I want this again? Bluetooth is *nowhere* and there are no bluetooth devices to hook it up to. I bought a Belkin Bluetooth USB thing and stuck it in my PC. I synched my palm with it. It uses about 25% of the battery to do a synch, and it is about 4x as slow as the cradle, since it only goes 56k.

3. Connections - trying to get the bluetooth to connect was a chore. The docs online and with the device are useless and explain nothing. I had to fight it for five hours to get it to connect. Here's the really ugly part: I synched it once via bluetooth (took six minutes), and then I stupidly tried to up the speed in PREFS to 128kbs. That broke the connectoid, caused the T3 to drop the device name, and I had to do a hard reset and rebuild everything.

4. Don't touch the status bar while an application is thinking - especially webpro. Once I got onto the web via my bluetooth card (something that I do not see any use for), I stupidly tapped the status bar while it was trying to connect. DOINK! I had to hard reset to stop the error messages. Yes, it was the update version from PalmOne.

That's two hard resets.

5. Battery life: using bluetooth to do anything - especially hotsynch, uses up a buttload of battery life. I'll need to get a travel charger and a car charger or it will power out on me.

Third hard reset - it did power out on me. I'm starting to get tired of resetting it.

6. Almost no downloads work well with the T3. Agendus and Datebk are not aware of its big screen, nor do they use the OS5 high quality fonts. Blech! Stuff looks awful on it compared to the native apps.

7. Don't be fooled by versamail. There is no such thing as a useful email program for the palm. You reply to the email - the email is not marked as replied to either in outlook or on the palm.

In summary, bluetooth is useless and slow. I have no idea why this is supposedly useful compared to a cradle. The web browser causes hard resets, but so does bluetooth use and status bar playing during application time-outs.

Compared to the Vx, which I think of as that hardy woman who works the farm, pays the bills, and feeds the family, the T3 is a dumb blonde that wants jewelry, furs, and fast cars, but is as dumb as a brick but looks darned good on your arm.

Skip it. Get another model.

RE: I have a T3
dona83 @ 11/4/2003 3:42:39 AM #
I don't know about you but on my Tungsten T bluetooth is fine... I have it paired with my Nokia 6310i through GPRS service and also received a bluetooth access point recently which also works fine with my T|T. I leave Bluetooth on all the time and I don't seem to lose much power... it certainly uses less power than playing MP3s or games and also less power than using WiFi, which can only be used at hotspots.

RE: I have a T3
rwool @ 12/16/2003 8:18:29 AM #
I am a long time palm Vx user - it finally wore out - the screen was too scratched up and the cursor started becomming flakey. I am also an old apple Newton user (still works) - the original pda which had a lot of capability just now showing up on the newer models but was a bit bulky. I just bought a T3 and am very pleased with its performance, especially the multi-media capability. I do a lot of briefings and the ability to download mail with the attachments is what i am working on.

I have encountered one problem though. It seem the T3 chews up cards (SD). I have gone through two so far and still don't understand what is happening. It appears that there is a problem with the Hot Sync-to-the card process. After the hot sync, the card becomes usuless and any of the applications that can use the card cause the T3 to hang-up. After you reset the t3 and remove the card the device becomes alive again.

Has anyone else experienced this problem. Are you aware of a fix?

RE: I have a T3
palmbuddy @ 8/10/2005 3:41:19 PM #
My palm does something quite different.
It only recognises cards if I put card in then reset it. then new card means reset again.

I checked with palm. they scratched heads and said it must be a pin in the card slot that has "oxidised" (quote) due to inactivity.

Kinda makes sense since slot has not been used since new

RE: I have a T3
twrock @ 8/10/2005 8:15:54 PM #
Unless the oxidised (corroded) pin is specifically for the purpose of indicating a card has been inserted, I wouldn't think that is your problem. Otherwise, the pin would still not be making proper contact after a reset, and something still wouldn't work correctly.

If it is oxidation, inserting and removing a card many times should rub off the corrosion unless it is extreme.

BTW, if you remove and then reinsert the same card, does it have the same problem? Does this problem exist for different cards or are you only testing with one particular card? I suppose Palm asked all of this, but who knows.

I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

PXA 250 or 255 for the tungsten T3 ???

miloo @ 1/1/2004 5:57:01 PM #
I want to buy this pda but I read in most tests and shops that the running processor of the t3 was a PXA 250, and this is the 1st review where I see it would be a PXA 255. I DO want a PXA 255 because I read about the PXA 250 bug(s) and lack of power management compared to the 255. So can someone tell me the truth about the t3 processor ? Where can I have a trusted info about this ? Thank you in advance !

Eric


RE: PXA 250 or 255 for the tungsten T3 ???
vesther @ 7/17/2004 1:25:38 PM #
Newer versions of the Tungsten T3 are supposed to be running the Intel PXA261 Processor. PalmOne gives a vague explanation about the Intel XScale Processor used in the TT3. I think that early PalmOne Tungsten T3 devices and all after the SD Card Problem Fix run under Intel PXA261.

Intel PXA27X, Motorola's ARM Processor, or Texas Instruments OMAP? Pick one Palm Enthusiasts, the choice should be yours. When handheld makers make you choose the ARM Processor, you win.

A Big Problem with the T3 -- Watch Out

McCainPT @ 1/15/2004 10:31:22 AM #
Beware, beware, beware!!!

Serious Tungsten T3 Problem!
Serious Problem with Tungsten T3
Bear with me folks, I have a tale of woe and and warning.

Summary: Palm has a problem with the Tungsten T3 screen. Some are bright, others are dark! I hope you don't get stuck with a dark one.

Here's the story.

I am a long time Palm user, most recently the T2. I took the plunge and purchased the T3 after looking at it again carefully in my local CompUSA. I got a great price from a company in California, newegg.com. Received the T3, powered it up. But. . . guess what? It was noticeable dark and dingy looking. Yes, I know how to operate a Palm. Brightness setting is on high, but no luck, still noticeably dark. Not the bright display I saw on the demo. So, I returned it, after a horrible hassle with Palm's customer service, etc. [another story].

I went to CompUSA and purchased another T3. Same problem. Dark screen. Then I did a Google search and discovered the claim that some T3 screens are noticeable dark, not bright. So, I took the CompUSA Tungsten T3 back and told them, "I want the demo." After a bit of puzzlement, I have the demo and have the bright, sharp T3 everyone is raving about.

SO, be warned!

IF you buy a T3 take it into a store with demo models and hold it up next to a T2 and a Tungsten E. You will quickly discover whether you have been stuck with a "dark screen" T3.

And if you are, you will be upset and angry as I still am.

Is Palm aware of this problem? Somebody on the Internet already is, there is a photo showing the two different screens, one nice and bright, one dark.

Anyone who sees a dark T3 is really amazed by it. I had five CompUSA emplyees huddled around as I showed them, yes, I had the brightness setting the same, yes same color scheme, but look how the T3 I have is darker than the Tungsten E and the T2 and the T3 demo! They all said, "Wow, look at that, man, that's bad."

So, be on your guard!


black out!!!

le Sid @ 2/24/2004 5:38:18 PM #
hello,
Help me please, my T3 is on "blackout" he will not work or charge or sync...
when i puch on reset buton, he give me the palm logo and that's all folks.
nothing.
maybe i virused
i was juste instaled whith "quick instalation" progr,
some downloaded progr.
i don't know if is possible?

please tel me more.

RE: black out!!!
tooele @ 3/6/2004 2:42:46 PM #
you have to do a hard reset by holding down the power button and doing a soft reset at the same time. when the palm logo comes on release the power button. The same thing happened to me.

RE: black out!!!
amcglash @ 5/4/2004 10:42:07 AM #
Again I thought my Palm VX had finally died. But alas a cold reset saves the day once more!

I had this blackout issue, turn the Palm on, see logo nice and clear, then straight to a black screen.

All is well again.

Thank you very much.


T3 is awesome

tooele @ 3/6/2004 2:35:14 PM #
I got my T3 a few weeks ago and i love it. The MP3 player and video player are cool. I have tons of memory for games and watching videos in widescreen is awesome. my only complaint is the battery life.

RE: T3 is awesome
Altema @ 3/8/2004 2:25:49 PM #
Surprised that this thread is still active. But that being said, I got mine on day one and still love it. The only thing that would tempt me now is the Tapwave if it was smaller.

Re: battery life; Make sure your unit has the most current OS. Tap Menu, Info, and then tap the box for version. It should say "Palm OS software v. 5.2.1" or higher. The first version had a problem which drained the battery and slowed performance. Also, turn of the BT radio when not in use, but you probably already know that! Still, the fastest handheld in the smallest form factor has a tradeoff, but it's worth it to me.

driver for tungsten t3

zakiekhan @ 6/5/2005 7:39:09 PM #
hi,
i wanted to know from where i can get the driver for the palm tungsten t3 driver for my computer i am using the xp as the operating system.i will be waiting for your reply.


with regards,
zakie khan

RE: driver for tungsten t3
twrock @ 6/5/2005 10:58:44 PM #
I'm not sure what you mean by "the driver." Have you looked here:
http://www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/tungsten.html#tungstent3


I have 2 of these units

JohnJackson @ 5/11/2006 9:25:24 AM #
They are very fast, compact and have a great display.

the bluetooth can be used to hook up to the net with speed that is good enough for any hanheld user to be happy with without the power drain

bluetooth runs about 30 feet so you can move about the house while using it.

T3 is also great for viewing text.

I use it for the study of Classical Greek.

http://www.handheldclassics.com

I have a TX now and am going to part with my T3's

if interested drop me a line (email on the above site)

John Jackson
http://www.handheldclassics.com

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