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    Comments on: Palm Tungsten T3 ReviewPalm today has officially released the Tungsten T3 handheld. The T3 packs a brilliant 320x480 screen, a 400mhz Intel XScale processor and 64MB of RAM in a compact and functional design. The T3 prominently features the largest screen found on a Palm branded handheld to date, and double the resolution of any Pocket PC. Palm Inc's new top of the line Tungsten handheld with a large screen and small form factor debuts with a $399 price tag. Read on for the full review.
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The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. PIC is not responsible for them in any way. login or register for free in order to post comments.  First Post!skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 12:11:15 AM #
Just after midnight EST...can you tell Ryan was anxious to publish this story? Very good review...although because some retailers had jumped the gun we already knew a lot of this already.  RE: First Post!
Yea, I agree. Very thorough review. I was tempted, but after hearing stories of the battery life, I think I'll stick with the T|T2 and go for the Zodiac later this year. The T|E is a great device though. When do you expect to have that review up? Great Reivew!!gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 12:51:37 AM #
Really nice review Ryan! Thif is the best one I've read so far! Great Job! I agree though it's disappointing Palm didn't increase the battery size in the T3 to something like the 1500 mAh found on the T|C. So many smaller devices like the Treo600 are coming out with larger batteries that I think Palm shouldn't have skimped on this one. Anyway, there's always something to complain aboutright? LOL! Overall, this is a very impressive device... Visit http://goodthatway.com/ -better living through better technology. Nice review
Great review, great pda. Palm should make a version with wifi and bluetooth for an extra $75 or so. If they would do this, I would pick up the T3 in a heartbeat One Palm to rule them all! -Sniffer New Palm Handhelds
I was going to get a T3, but bestbuy discontinued them because they are waiting for the new models. Does anyone know if Palm has released new models besides the T3. Thanx RE: First Post!
Probably a little late, but I you're looking for something similar today I'd say go with the lifedrive or the T5.
-- http://www.arpx.net/article.php/top_10_palmos_applications - my top 10 palm apps 
RE: Oh yea!!!
I agree. Wi-Fi would be great! For as often as I need it, I think I'd prefer an external sled or case option. Hey, what I'd really like to see is an external sled that gives me a compact flash card slot! Then I could plug in the wi-fi card of my choice. Wi-Fi is *not* missing.
Giving it Wi-Fi would result in battery life measured in minutes, not hours. Palm made a smart move. A self-powered sled would be a great option. RE: Oh yea!!!gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 5:44:55 AM #
Quote: "Hey, what I'd really like to see is an external sled that gives me a compact flash card slot! Then I could plug in the wi-fi card of my choice." It called the Guyver sled: http://www.hotsync.com.hk/guyver.htm RE: Oh yea!!!
Has used a Guyver sled or at least found a review. From the website, it appears to be a little expensive and clunking for what it does. RE: Oh yea!!!
How come at http://www.palmone.com/us/landing/tungsten-t3_us.html Palm says: "Stay productive in the office, at your favorite HotSpot, or at home with built-in Wi-Fi:" Are they using Wi-Fi in some new sense? RE: Oh yea!!!
It says that because someone copied the template from the Tungsten C page and forgot to edit everything. :) -- Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com RE: Oh yea!!!
If SanDisk ever gets the OS 5 drivers ready for their WiFi SD card, we'd have a $130 solution to this problem--I could live with that. There's a review of the product in use on the PPC here: http://www.davespda.com/reviews/other/sdsdiowifi.htm ). As for the additional power consumption, my personal app for WiFi is around the house, lounging on the couch on in bed--I keep Palm chargers at both spots. I'd like to be able to do light Web surfing and to control my Audiotron through its Web server. RE: Oh yea!!!
Addendum--I've found the SanDisk WiFi card (w/o memory, but who needs a memory card with a 15 ma standby power draw?) online for $88 ($102 after S&H). RE: Oh yea!!!
>>>who needs a memory card with a 15 ma standby power draw? I take it that's too high?! RE: Oh yea!!!
RV Tec Guyver for Palm: Promotion Price: US$160 (Till 30/June/2003 TOO MUCH. Just need a good BT phone (may just opt for Treo 600 instead) and either the WiFi SD card w/ memory or that PDA Case with the WiFi built in RE: Oh yea!!!
How would you estimate the batterylife with the Sandisk-Card? I would get this. If the battery is 900mAh and the card uses 15mA (just standing by) that would give 3600 seconds (900*3600/15)???? Is that right? RE: Oh yea!!!
">>>who needs a memory card with a 15 ma standby power draw? I take it that's too high?!" According to a table in that davespda.com review that I cited, it's exactly 100 times the power draw of a normal SD memory card. "How would you estimate the batterylife with the Sandisk-Card?" I'm not sure whether your estimate is correct or not. Personally, I would try not to leave the card plugged into the PDA when not using it. I'd only need it for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. RE: Oh yea!!!
I prefer Bluetooth over WiFi... with WiFi I'm stuck at Starbucks and McDonald's to access the net. With Bluetooth, as long as my Nokia 6310i with Bluetooth has reception, I have internet. I can be in the middle of nowhere and have internet. and Bluetooth draws a lot less power than WiFi. I am eventually going to get a WiFi card when hotspots become many and the price becomes lower. RE: Oh yea!!!
Well, I don't know about the middle of nowhere but I still need a POTS modem on my frequent 3-day weekends in the Adirondacks! Thanks, robrecht RE: Oh yea!!!
15mA is peanuts, just writing to any SD memory card can use that. Bluetooth idles in that neighborhood as well. I don't see you saying, "who needs a backlight that idles at 75-100 mA". It's just the cost of doing business, so to speak. But nevermind the idling consumption. When actively transmitting, both Bluetooth and WiFi SD cards are going to use 75-300mA, depending on the card, with the majority between 100 and 200. RE: Oh yea!!!
BTW, in NYC, DataVision has the Sandisk WiFi SD in stock. This is the one w/o memory -- and w/o, of course, Palm OS 5 drivers... http://www.datavis.com RE: Oh yea!!!
My point about the 15 mA is that, though it might not be that much, if the stuff in that memory is important to you, you'll want to have the card in there all the time, and I'd rather not, thanks. I guess that there might be things that you could put on the card that you'd only use when you use WiFi, but I can't imagine what. As for preferring using Bluetooth with a phone for data, I'd actually like both options. The WiFi is for use on my wireless LAN, not random hotspots outside. RE: Oh yea!!!
someone wrote: > Well, I don't know about the middle of nowhere but I still need a POTS modem on my frequent 3-day weekends in the Adirondacks! Infrared travel modem. You can find them on eBay. Advantage is that one modem will work with any Palm or Sony model (OS3 or newer). You still need to be near a phone jack to use one. RE: Oh yea!!!
I myself was thinking of the plain Sandisk WiFi SD, sans memory. I mean, hell, the TT3 has 64 reaking megs. I should be able to put on a document I want to xmit via WiFi. (Ha! Famous last words as I just got through playing with a CLUX that gave me a warning message when trying to load http:/www.tvgameshows.net !)
and finally our wait is over!
I saw it today (yesterday) at Circuit City and let me say that since I am used to Sony's rather short battery life, there is no way I am going to let this awesome PDA be in the market without me owning it! but wait... my wallet does not agree! On the other hand don't you think it is kind of strange that Sony never sold the 320x480 screen in a tablet shape and only after Palm has done so they are going to sell it? (wait a couple of weeks to see what I'm talking about) On the other hand I apreciate the core PIM improvements, but I wonder if those changes will be backward compatible? RE: and finally our wait is over!skennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 12:59:59 AM #
quote: On the other hand I apreciate the core PIM improvements, but I wonder if those changes will be backward compatible? I seriously doubt we will ever see an OS upgrade for T|T's, and perhaps not even the T2. pa1mOne is a hardware company now who wants to sell more PDAs, not give people a reason to keep what they have. Just like the PPC makers who didn't release Windows Mobile 2003 for their older models, pa1mOne is using planned obsolescence to get us to buy new (even when the current hardware can support an OS upgrade). Can someone tell me why upgradeable flash-ROM is still even a selling point? I can't afford $400 every year just to stay current, but I'd be willing to pay $50 for a worthy OS improvement. RE: and finally our wait is over!JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 1:58:54 AM #
some PPC 2002 devices were offered upgrade kits for PPC 2003. I believe Palm might release an OS update for this. They offered OS updates for their previous PDAs (Palm V). We might need to pay for it though. Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3 RE: and finally our wait is over!
I have heard that margins on handhelds are down since the early years, so perhaps companies only make 100 dolalrs max on a device. If that's the case, charging 50 for an upgrade would make a lot of sense, since you know that far less than 50% of the previous buyers will buy the new device, and you will come out ahead on revenue. It also makes users feel more confident in a manufacturer to know that they are not going to be abandoned when the next device starts shipping. That has to count for something in buyer's eyes! I know Sony has developed a reputation for not supporting any real upgrades and in theory that would preclude people from buying their devices, don't you think? RE: and finally our wait is over!
I have a Sony Clie and will not buy another simply because they will never be a possibility of an upgrade. Yeah they patch a couple of thing they add to the os but you pay alot for the original PDA. Palm on the other hand has provided OS upgrades. This makes me lean to the Palm devices not Sony. PPC's only got upgrades because they new relases were coming out right as MS release the new OS. brighthand.com had a couple of article that some PPC makes were not going to do the upgrades at first. Event then only certian models were eligable for the upgrade even if hardware was compatible. The margin on OS upgrades has actually got to be pretty good. I would bet the PalmSource would help it's licensees to put together an upgrade. I also thought PIC had a comment from Pa1mOne saying they would support upgrades to OS6. RE: and finally our wait is over!
Actually, I have been e-mailed by palm already and told that they are not planning to make Palm OS 5.2.1 available for us T|T users, paid or free. I posted this up on the forum a few days ago. RE: and finally our wait is over!
Yeah, but if you were hoping for an update, would you buy from a company who never updates thier PDAs (SONY) or a company that has updated 90% of the time? RE: and finally our wait is over!
I can't afford $400 every year just to stay current, but I'd be willing to pay $50 for a worthy OS improvement. If you feel the need to have the latest PDA all the time thats your problem. Until a month or two ago, I was still using a IIIxe. Hmmm. So SONY is finaly comming out with a VG tablet huh? Are you a beta tester, A3? Somehow, I don't think it will compete with the T3. SONY's work is to proprietary and over priced. RE: and finally our wait is over!
Good review. I ordered on after reading this review. After I got it I noticed is that nobody sells a screen protector for this unit. I did some measuring and the T3 has the same sized screen as the Sony Clie NX-70 so I went down to Fry's (who, of course, didn't have a screen protector for the T3) and purchased one for the Sony (PEGA-SP70) and the fit was perfect. The down side is that the screen protector costs $10. The upside is that it's supposed to be washable.
Unfortunately I only have 10MB of RAM available. I loaded all of my Mapopolis maps on the handheld and it sucked all my memory. I wish that Palm would come out with a T3 with 128MB or 256MB of RAM...sigh
Ugh, the slider
I think this T3 is great, everything about it, EXCEPT: The Slider! It makes no sense. The point of the slider on the older TT models is to hide the grafiti area when you didn't need it. NOW, however, if I'm not using grafiti, I want to be able to fit more on the screen! Leaving it open all the time is a pain and a complete waste of space. RE: Ugh, the slider
The slider is to reduce the overall size of the pda when carrying it, etc. not to hide the grafitti area. With the T3, you can slide the unit open and not only have the writing area for input, but can also collapse the writing area to reveal more screen for viewing pics, videos, spreadsheets, etc. RE: Ugh, the slider
I hate to beat a dead horse. But what I want is a Tungsten E (E2?), tablet style, flip cover, soft Graffitti with status bar, portrait or landscape mode, 64MB ram, replaceable battery, and Bluetooth (don't need Wi-Fi or keyboard). Price this at $299, and I'm all over it! And I know I'm not the only one. Such a device would probably kill Pocket PC once and for all. But I think this is probably a dream, especially at this price point. Of course, Sony might do it first, just grossly overpriced upon release. RE: Ugh, the slider
Just wait until the price of the T3 is reduced a couple times, and glue the slider open. Your wish. The T|E as is killer competition for any PPC, as it already has a 33% larger display in terms of pixel count than any of them. RE: Ugh, the sliderRoberto_tores @ 10/1/2003 8:04:56 AM #
"The slider is to reduce the overall size of the pda when carrying it, etc." I don't see the need for the slider. The Clie Sj30 series is the same size as a closed Tungsten and does not hides the graffity area. Palm could have made it small without the need for a slider. RE: Ugh, the slider
I hated the idea of the slider right up to the day when I bought my TT. Once I had it in my hot little hands, I was sold on the concept. Palm has executed it quite well, too. The slider is rock solid and has a good tactile feel to it. RE: Ugh, the slider
Yes, it would seem that if Palm got rid of the extra casing needed for the slider and went back to the T|T's button layout, it'd be hardly any longer than in the current closed position. I'd prefer not to cover any of the T3's beautiful screen. RE: Ugh, the sliderTuckermaclain @ 10/1/2003 9:11:08 AM #
That slider is completely annoying. It would be sweet if it were a tablet (like the Z-71) with the 320x480 screen, 400MHz,64MB RAM, and BT. Maybe Palm will soon give us a Zire 91/BT. I'm waiting. RE: Ugh, the sliderjthanpalminfo @ 10/1/2003 10:02:16 AM #
I don't mind the slider or the cover of my T2. The only problem appears to be dust and dirt. It's an awful sensation to pull it out when it's gritty! Every once and a while I blow the dust out using an industrial air can that we happen to have around the office. This helps a lot. -Jonathan. RE: Ugh, the slidercrustyedgeofinnovation @ 10/1/2003 10:12:34 AM #
Without the slider, it would be a huge device. The slider is needed, or maybe a flip device. www.departmentofcomfort.com RE: Ugh, the sliderOzymandias @ 10/1/2003 12:45:08 PM #
With T3 its differnt. You can use the Graffiti-Anywhere. You just flip a switch on the status bar and you can write anywhere on the screen. You NEVER have to open the slider if you don't need the big screen RE: Ugh, the slider
"I don't see the need for the slider. The Clie Sj30 series is the same size as a closed Tungsten and does not hides the graffity area. Palm could have made it small without the need for a slider" Hmmm. Sony's keys are very much smaller, though (the keypad area is probably one third as long)--I like the T3's big keypad. Not crazy about the slider but I can live with it. RE: Ugh, the slider
orev says: "Leaving it open all the time is a pain and a complete waste of space." You just answered your own question.
RE: Ugh, the sliderbleedingedge @ 10/1/2003 11:20:15 PM #
Thanks, guys. I'm glad so many of us can agree on this. No slider. Please give us a tablet design with this same sweet screen. A Tungsten E with 320x480. Man, wouldn't that be something? Sony didn't do it with this latest model and Palm came SOOOOO close to the perfect, perfect device. Why have this screen covered by a slider? I've been holding on to my m505 for so long I just might have to upgrade to the T3, but I don't want Palm to think I'm satisfied with this despite my giving in. Man, I think I'm more frustrated now than I was before. RE: Ugh, the slider
koolrain said, "I hate to beat a dead horse. But what I want is a Tungsten E (E2?), tablet style, flip cover, soft Graffitti with status bar, portrait or landscape mode, 64MB ram, replaceable battery, and Bluetooth (don't need Wi-Fi or keyboard)." Actually, that spec is already available - but not in english PalmOS. It's called Lenovo Pam168. Only avail in China though. http://appserver.lenovo.com/Product/Product_PDA/Product_detail.asp?productid=1833 RE: Ugh, the sliderTungstenman @ 10/4/2003 7:23:31 AM #
Well what most of you are saying, is that you want a palm with Pocket PC Specs. I agree. Palm should just imitate the dark side, and keep the great OS. (if someone gets in my way, I will use them as my stool) Forgive my typos, its just way too early
RE: Ugh, the slider
Quote: "Well what most of you are saying, is that you want a palm with Pocket PC Specs." No, that's not what I want. I want to have a 320x480 screen visible all the time. That's not a PPC. Use the space created by eliminating the extra casing required by the slider and put a smaller row of buttons on the bottom edge. The T3 reconfigures the buttons to look like the PPC making that impossible. So I don't want that either. Simply put, I want a large screen in a small case. RE: Ugh, the slider
He wants what Sony never delivered: a "T770." T6xx with a 320x480 screen (and, dear God, a *good* stylus!). RE: Ugh, the sliderSmithonDrugs @ 10/22/2003 9:31:16 PM #
Pah, this just means Palms are getting to be more and more like old pocket pcs every day ARM, pah, wide screen, pah- what's next, customizable resolution? RE: Ugh, the slider
I do not like the slider too, and many of my friend neither. A Tungsten E with virtell graphiti area and blue tooth and the standard docking station would be the hit. I am still waiting for this. Hope that palm drops the slider soon. What a impractical idea. Very strange. RE: Ugh, the sliderrobertsong @ 2/7/2004 2:48:56 AM #
I got the T3 for Christmas and have used the slider a lot. The only thing I don't like about it is that I can't turn it back on easily when it automatically powers down--the on/off switch pushes the slider down--kind of annoying when I'm in the middle of a good book and want to see as large a page as possible. But overall, I love the slider because it means that I've got a large screen device that easily fits in my shirt pocket and has buttons that are of a convenient size and position. I think the slider is the best solution I've seen for handling the "big screen-small footprint" issue.
CNET coverageFoo Fighter @ 10/1/2003 1:13:11 AM #
CNET is running a story on the new products: http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5084705.html?tag=nefd_top RE: CNET coveragegfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 5:12:29 AM #
You can also watch the Cnet video of the T3 and T|E below: http://news.com.com/1601-2-5084682.html?pref=yes RE: CNET coverage
You know, I was just about sold on the T3 until I saw the coverage of Tapwave's Zodiac on CNET's videos. Apparently about to ship at the end of the month. Longer by .8" but actually less thick and chocked full of special-purpose multi-media stuff to support it's entertainment slant.
Decisions, decisions. Choice is a good thing 8-).
Will be bashed for it's batteryskennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 1:18:36 AM #
After reading this review and competing sites' reviews, looks like the big flaw is the battery choice. While it's not my excuse for not getting one, I do hope that by the time I can afford a T4 that palmOne takes a queue from HP & Dell and includes a user replaceable battery. Scott RE: Will be bashed for its batteryskennedy1217 @ 10/1/2003 1:48:23 AM #
Sorry...it should be "its" and "cue." Ryan, you shouldn't be the only one who can make things disappear. Give us the ability to edit these. RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Sorry folks, it's just physics here: no more internal space without making it bigger in the compacted mode. RE: Will be bashed for it's batteryJonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:12:20 AM #
One issue with the iPAQ removable battery is just that. The battery has potential to accidentaly pop up by itself. The latch that holds it is not that secure and there are no locking mechanism. Note also different iPAQ series uses different battery sizes/shape. I rather have the Power2Go solution where I can charge up future Palm PDAs with the UC. But that's just my opinion. I will gladly take a T/T3 with or without removable battery since its not on my must have list of improvements (the screen was, the processor was and the memory was). Seeing how Palm SG manages to improves on future models maybe the T/T4 or T5 will have removable battery and/or (hopefully) WiFi. Using WiFi on the TC was a joy and a much better experience than on the iPAQ. If only Sandisk hurry up in their PalmOS driver development! RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Actually, "its" is posessive, hence "its battery" is correct. "it's" is a contraction for "it is," so "it is battery" would not make sense. "Cue" and "its" are correct. Boogaboo Bashing a dead horse
But he didn't say "its battery" (unless the post has been changed), he said "it's not my excuse," which was correct. OK, everybody flame me now. It's OK, I can take it! RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Hi there Robrecht, Actually, in the title, he wrote "it's" which is incorrect. I think that he was addressing that in his immediate follow-up post, in which he wrote "its." I don't think that he was referring to the "it's" in the body of the post. Wow, it's funny, debating about it(s). Jamie RE: Will be bashed for it's battery
Aha (Ahaerlebnis kicks in)! OK, that's it, string him up!
Thanks, robrecht
Lot of moves done today
Seems m515 & T1 were discontinued. Price of Zire was reduced to $79 and T2 to $329. One think about the TE, I noticed that the hardcase looks similar to the m500 series (opens 360 degrees). That's good. Just wondering if they are going to release a cradle for the new USB & AC connector. If I was a betting man, Palm should do very well this Holiday season. Yankees, Steinbrenner,...... I will never turn to the dark side. RE: Lot of moves done today
Yes, I went to the site to see how I "scored." I predicted that the T2 was being dropped to $299 and the TC to $399. Well, the T2 is officially $329 and the TC's price hasn't changed at all. It's still $499. My predictions better reflect the real value of these.
The TC price is especially shocking. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to updating it. I can see $429 tops, but $100 more than the TT3? Sure it has Wi-Fi and the thumbboard (though that's liked by some, disliked by others and really doesn't add much to the cost). It also has a bigger battery. OTOH, it has a lower-res screen, no Bluetooth, no MP3 (for all intents and purposes), and a larger, plastic body. It also lacks the new PIM apps that palmOne has introduced with these new models, though hopefully they'll remedy that with an OS update soon. Scott
Awesome!Myndwalker @ 10/1/2003 1:28:42 AM #
I've had my T3 since last Friday, upgrading for the fifth time, most recently from a T1. The T3 is brighter, faster, and more reliable than any I've had. Definitely a keeper (at least until the T5 comes out...). RE: Awesome!
So, it looks like you are a happy camper with the move from the T1 to the T3. Please tell us, what is this thing about the T3 being a tad thicker (width of 0.66 in.) than the T1, and 0.3 in. longer? Did this bother you?
Did you have any problem moving your PIM data from the old OS 5.0 to the new 5.2 format? Any glitches with the extra address fields in Contacts?
They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Same device, same battery, HUGE processor, HUGE screen, same battery life???? Come on, dont give me that S#$(&^$@T!!! Bigger device and you couldn't put a bigger battery?? Even the dummest of us knows that thing aint gonna last as long as the original T's...NO WAY..IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP!! Sticking with my T/T till further notice... Hey Palm, great device...great improvements, but not for me yet...call me when you put a larger battery and WI-FI; then we'll talk business again. Cheers! RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:05:30 AM #
It is also slightly thinner when compared to the original T/T. Also lighter. So being able to fit the original battery into something thinner is quite something. Overall, I would say the battery life is on par with my iPAQ h2210 (For both units I only use Bluetooth sparingly to check SMS). I am packing up my h2210 to return it today. The only grip I have with this unit so far is the OS5 drivers for my Sandisk WiFi SD card has not been released yet. Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3 RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
In answer to a question about T3 battery life, a Palm marketing person held up a "Power to Go" battery sled. At least with the sled, the additional thickness and weight is optional; you only have to carry that much extra battery bulk when you think you'll need it. Not all the time as with the T|C. RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
Quote: The only grip I have with this unit so far is the OS5 drivers for my Sandisk WiFi SD card has not been released yet.
RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
> treo (which is much smaller than the T3) Optical illusion. The T3 is thinner, lighter and only 10% greater in volume than the Treo 600. Given that the display on the Treo is 6 times smaller (in pixels) than that of the T3, there's more room for a bigger battery. RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:44:22 AM #
The drivers are rumoured to be out in November. I hope so since the card has 'acceptable' performance on my h2210. Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3 RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
> call me when you put a larger battery and WI-FI They already have. It's called the T|C. They did just fine.
...dont give me that S#$(&^$@T!
3rd party solution?
It's just curiosity, but what are the physical dimensions of the T3 and TC batteries? I know it might take some time before someone is brave enough to disassemble their units ;-) What I am thinking is that maybe there is the possibility of an 3rd-party upgraded replacement battery, just as it happens with cell phones... RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!JonathanChoo @ 10/3/2003 7:25:25 AM #
I have been using the T3 for about a week now and the battery life is okay. Charged at 100%, setup Bluetooth with a T610 downloaded SMS, surfed the web for 15 minutes, listened to some music and read an e-book for 2 hours. The battery life dropped only to 85%. My backlight was 40%. Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3 RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
how long can the battery last for normal calendar, contacts, memos, todo usage? maybe a little bit of games while queuing at the bank... will it last for a week or so? thanks. RE: They blew it! UNACCEPTABLE!
RE: Use of S-E 610 w/T-3
I'm very intriqued with the match up of the T3 with my BT 610 and how this combination will help me with e-mail response when I'm out of the office. I went to Circuit City and tried to connect (BT) with a demo T-3 and couldn't get it to work. Background: My 610 is new; T-mobile account is less than a week old and at this juncture, only have "Internet" access via their "T-Zones." Am I missing something on the "phone side" that will enable the BT connection and round out this BT solution? Thanks for any input...
Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
This will be one of the last, if not thee last, palm handhelds to bear the palm name and blue palm logo. That alone is reason enough for me to buy one. Off course the fact that it has an incredible screen, more memory, tons of power, bluetooth, small form factor, flip cover, excellent included software package and great starting price of $399, this is one killer pda. RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
This will be one of the last, if not thee last, palm handhelds to bear the palm name and blue palm logo. That alone is reason enough for me to buy one. ahhh! Very good point, I forgot to add that to the review. Must get sleep, working 18 hours straight... RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
They can still put the little bubble, and I think they will. Just because they are no longer called Palm, they can still use it. The whole point of the name change is to give every licensee the right to put the little blue Palm bubble. RE: Bad battery life, yes and I'm STILL buying one!
I read SOMEWHERE that Palm OS people will require the use of the little blue bubble--not sure if that's true or just speculative.
Thanks, robrecht
its OutlookJonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 2:55:38 AM #
Quote "The changes were made based on user feedback and research and also to more closely resemble Microsoft LookOut." is this a joke? RE: its Outlook
I can't believe you had ot ask if that was a joke or not. People have been saying that since outlook was invented.
Im getting one!!!
Traded in my NZ-90 and waited almost a 2 Months without a Palm for this one to come out. Thanks for the detailed review...I had to smile when you listed the new Birthday feature to remind users of important dates or the so called "marriage saving feature"(LOL)...I must say Palms have saved me from many of these.
Battery life - that's really bad.
Hi! When I was choosing my first Palm (and still the last one) - the Palm IIIx I was very concerned about battery life. I was really tempted by these WindowsCE's but the choice was pretty simple when I've compared the battery life. IIIx gives me almost 24h of constant use under average load - this results in about 3 weeks between battery changes in my usage pattern. Reading about various improvements made to the Palm platform i.e. colour, faster processor, bigger screen I was afraid that Palm will go to the same direction where PocketPC's already have been - that is very short battery life. Of course I've read the articles that PalmOS is so and so efficent in using the power BUT the difference was about 10-15%, and one could always wonder about the test procedure made-up this way that PalmOS was better. With IIIx I do not have to remember about the batteries. I really do not want to charge the device every other day or even every day! Even my (also trusted and pretty old) Nokia 5110 GSM works WHOLE WEEK between charging... Generally I think producers should really think more about extending the battery life than the rich power-consuming hardware. RE: Battery life - that's really bad.gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 4:04:28 AM #
Get the T|E then...it probably will last alot longer than the T3... Visit http://goodthatway.com/ -better living through better technology. RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
I agree - I have a busy enough life without worrying constantly that I must charge some widget or other. Thats why I've stuck with my Palm M500 for so long. But I might be tempted by the Treo 600 - if it's battery lasts the week that I go before charging my T68i. 320 x 480 screen looks cool, but its a nice to have (ok very nice to have) feature, but not essential like battery life, as I rely on my pda working every day. RE: Battery life - that's really bad.jodihansen @ 10/1/2003 5:29:28 AM #
Everyone wants something different, hence why there are different models. If you choose one with basic features then you will get longer battery life. However, I for one, do not mind sacrificing some battery time for a device rich is features such as the T3. The only thing missing for me is WiFi....however that will be solved with the Sandisk WiFi card when it makes it to Australia and the Palm OS drivers are released. But for now I am waiting on the T3 to be released in Australia. Does anyone here know when that will be? Jodi RE: Battery life - that's really bad.jodihansen @ 10/1/2003 5:58:07 AM #
To answer my own question, the T3 (and the other new Palms) have just been posted on the Australian Palm web site. Price for the T3 is $799AUD. This is about what I expected. The thing is that $399US equates to about $600AUD....why do we pay $200AUD more over here? Surely shipping is not that much. Jodi RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
I doubt battery life is worse then the CLIE T665. Notice the specs: Sony CLIE T665: T3: I'll take it unless there is a new sony rumor pronto. RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Re price in Australia: Online stores like QuickBuy.com.au often offer Palm devices at significant discounts. But you're right, the official 2:1 price factor is a rip-off. RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
>>>The thing is that $399US equates to about $600AUD....why do we pay $200AUD more over here?
RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
Mike: Soooo true!! ROFL hehe _________________________ Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am! RE: Battery life - that's really bad.jodihansen @ 10/2/2003 8:47:10 AM #
yeah, that would be why. Organiser World is the first Aussie site that I have found to have the T3. It is selling for $749AUD, that is less than what is on Palm's web site. Jodi RE: Battery life - that's really bad.
It's pretty typical. Palm South Africa also rips off everyone - $400 = R2800, cheapest local source is R4500. They claim it is customs duties; it isn't. And their aftersales service is utterly shocking. They're just totally crooked.
Palm should actually be firmly controlling foreign distribution and immediately cancelling the distribution rights of anyone who overcharges. I'll just do what I always do, import my own.
AudiblePlayerDessertProfessor @ 10/1/2003 4:18:57 AM #
Previous Palm handhelds featured support for AudiblePlayer and came with this software on the CD. Neither this review nor the product description on palm.com mentions Audible. Does this mean that AudiblePlayer will not run on the T3, or can the player be installed from the Audible website and used just like before? Ryan, can you comment on this? Thanks,
double res???
"The T3 prominently features the largest screen found on a Palm branded handheld to date, and double the resolution of any Pocket PC"
thanks RE: double res???gfunkmagic @ 10/1/2003 5:02:58 AM #
All PPC have a standard resolution of 240x320 pixels. This is half the resolution of the T3 which is 320x480. Just divide the latter by the former and you get = 2! :) 320x480 = 153,600 total pixels 153600/76800=2 RE: double res???
As Gfunk pointed out, the PPCs are all 320x240, half the resolution of high-res+ Palm/Sony devices. One big advantage the PPCs have is built-in support for sub-pixel antialiasing ("cleartype"), so normal text on PPCs is often easier to read (I think) than the standard Palm OS4/OS5 fonts. Most good Palm OS doc readers (I use Mobipocket) have this, so reading long docs is find on Palm but it would be nice to have standard apps like datebook with antialiasing. You can easily tell the difference looking at photos on a PPC or a Palm though. Palm looks WAY better. RE: double res???
Hopefully the "cleartype" support (really sub-pixel anti-aliasing) will take into account the possible differing geometries of the screens, especially with all the new switchable landscape/portrait mode Palms. -alan RE: double res???JonathanChoo @ 10/1/2003 6:35:47 PM #
cleartype on the h2210 (adjustable up to 10 levels) is really helpful on such a low res device. I do hope it is implemented well on OS6. I remember cleartype was awful on my e310. Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3 RE: double res???
hehehe so PPCs are still on low res...how about the new ones that are announced to come out? RE: double res???
There are conflicting rumors about the new Toshiba e805 having a VGA screen (480x640). The Nexio S160 has a WVGA screen (800x480). Thanks, robrecht RE: double res???JonathanChoo @ 10/3/2003 7:40:32 AM #
the Nexio is huge. It is not what call pocket friendly. The Toshiba will most likely ship with a VGA screen although the software will only be using 240x320 mode. Plus its one ugly device. I suspect PocketPC 2004 will feature support for resolution scaling up to VGA mode. Psion 5 -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Sony N770C -> Sony T625C -> Sony NR70V -> Toshiba e310 -> Palm Tungsten T -> HP h2210 -> Palm Tungsten T/3 RE: double res???
If the PocketPC OS supports anything more than 240x320 anytime soon, I'll be surprised.. RE: double res???Tungstenman @ 10/4/2003 7:45:17 AM #
PPCs Support high res now, and they can set it to a high res, but the PPC hardware does not actualy contain a high res screen
A Palm in one hand is worth 2 PocketPCs : ) -Steve B.
Hmm, I wonder...
Someone should attempt a custom modificiation. Glue the slider open and put an extra battery in the empty space!
Cases
No other cases seem to be available from Palm or any other company yet except the one that came with it. Looks like we are stuck with a flip cover as a side option doesn't seem possible? RE: Cases
You obviously missed this one - http://www.palmone.com/us/products/accessories/casesandcovers/P10941U.html Expect this to be a good investment until others appears on the market JoranG RE: Cases
Palm lists very little information about the case. Would be nice to see the inside of the case etc... Has anyone seen reviews on this, or more information on it? RE: Cases
Does the slide and voice memo button work with these cases?
Confucious say, "man who jump off cliff, jump to conclusion".
Too big, too power hungry
I don't care what features the T3 has, a PDA is useless after it has run out of power. Likewise, a 420x320 screen isn't much good if you don't have it with you because you don't want a bulge in your pocket. Why can't Palm just add Bluetooth and MP3 audio capability to it's Vx? I don't want a colour screen if it means I can't read my PDA in bed because it has to be charging. Release a good PDA Palm, for old time's sake! RE: Too big, too power hungry
Power hungry, yes. Big? Not really. I have a m515 here with the T3 and the size difference ks minimal. RE: Too big, too power hungry
This is so humorous.. For MONTHS we heard 'Palm is so stupid, give us virtual graffiti.' To which the people with a clue responded 'but that would hurt batter life'. Now we hear 'Palm is so stupid, all of these new features hurt battery life!' To which the people with a clue respond 'told you so'. RE: Too big, too power hungry
I don't lay the blame at Palm's feet. Where the hell are the battery manufacturers? Dammit, why don't I have an atomic battery?! RE: Too big, too power hungry
enjolras : SO true :) I kept telling people that, but noooo.. They had to have it. Now that they have it, they whine.. :P No pleasing them. Alltho I have to admit, palm could have put a larger batt in it. Just the thing...
Try looking on eBay or similar and see if you can pick up a HE330 - Then dig around for the OS4 upgrade. RE: Too big, too power hungryThe Ugly Truth @ 10/2/2003 3:01:35 AM #
Try looking on eBay or similar and see if you can pick up a HE330 - Then dig around for the OS4 upgrade. I would recommend not doing this unless you are either: If you get a HandEra 330, make sure it is a new one. The TRGPro and HandEra 330 were both revolutionary PDAs for their time, but the HandEra 330 has a few "issues" - which you can learn about elsewhere - and you would also be buying an orphan PDA.
RE: Too big, too power hungry
> see if you can pick up a HE330 I have a 330 and it's a nice PDA, but the original poster asked for a Vx with MP3 and Bluetooth. The 330 is certainly nice for reading e-books in bed, but no MP3 and you'd have to dig for the right "unofficial" OS update and the right card for Bluetooth. The best on battery life though. The Acer s10 has a mono screen and does MP3 (is there a Bluetooth Memory Stick that'd work with it?). On the non-Palm OS side, there's the Franklin eBookman: 240x200 screen, plays MP3. RE: Too big, too power hungry
Here's my strategy...I go for whatever has what I need and offers the best bang for the buck. Right now, I'm planning to get the low-end $299 Zodiac model. At that price, it has enormous bang for the buck. Other devices that fit this criteria are the now reduced Tungsten T2 (if you need Bluetooth), the Tungsten E or Sony TJ35 (if you don't), the lower-end iPaqs, etc. I like a lot about the Sony UX50 (though I dislike several things as well), but not at the prices they're asking.
If you buy a high bang-for-the-buck model, the worst that happens is that you eBay it later and don't lose too much in depreciation. Scott
Operating system upgrades?
Will it be possible to upgrade the Tungsten T3 to Palm OS 6.0 when it is released? RE: Operating system upgrades?
That's the $399 question for me. If I knew that it was upgradable to OS 6, I would be much more interested in it. Same for the Tapwave Zodiac. Otherwise, you're going to be missing a whole new generation of Palm OS apps. RE: Operating system upgrades?WileyCoyote @ 10/1/2003 5:29:15 PM #
It will be definitely possible. That does not meean it will happen. Palm has been saying that they will try to make an upgrade for Tungstens that can hold the size of the ROM and are hardware compatible. The T3 has the best chance of doing so but Palm is not going to announce what Tungstens will be upgradeable untill they announce the release of OS6 at the end of Dec. That is why I personally would not reccomend anyone buy one just yet. When OS6 comes out you WILL want to have it and if that is a concern then wait untill you have the assurance from Palm that you won't be dissapointed. T 3 is NOT Upgradable to OS6 -- said Palm Tech Support
This is from Palm Tech Support -- From: Palm Support <support@palm.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:09:38 -0400 (EDT) -------------------- Sincerely, Yogesh D. Earlier yesterday, another Palm Tech Support Person(the phone rings in Chicago, but they answer in Southern Ontario) told me that ALL 3 New PDA;s that were announced(T-3, T-E, Z21) are DEFINITELY upgradable to OS6! The difference is that this person stated that VERBALLY, as opposed to Yogesh D.m who put it in writing. So, after the initial excitement, I now don't know whom to believe. To buy Z21 for $99, no back light, is SAD, only to tie me over to OS6, where OS6 Developer Kits will be announced in February, which means that we probably won't see OS6 PDA's till a year from now, or am I wrong? By not telling us whether T-3, T-E, Z21 can be upgraded to OS6, Palm could be losing T-3, T-E sales to Z21, because folk don't want to stick their necks out. PalmOS envyThe Ugly Truth @ 10/2/2003 3:17:50 AM #
By not telling us whether T-3, T-E, Z21 can be upgraded to OS6, Palm could be losing T-3, T-E sales to Z21, because folk don't want to stick their necks out. Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7 will be so much better? I'm going to keep using my USR Pilot 5000 until the Palm OS 7 models are released. You may be shocked to learn that Palm's in house (and outhouse) research shows that 99.7% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs. Furthermore, the number of people that have actually upgraded the OS on their PDAs is a vanishingly small (but tediously vocal) minority. If the T³ or Sony's new PDAs suit your needs today, buy them now. There's always someting New And Improved around just the corner.
RE: PalmOS envy
> Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7 > will be so much better? I'm going to keep using my USR > Pilot 5000 until the Palm OS 7 models are released. Because OS 6 will be a fundamental shift in the Palm OS, similar to Apple going to OS X. For the most part even OS 5 with PACE isn't fundamentally different than the OS on your Pilot 5000 (and it certainly isn't considerably different than OS 3.5 with VFS extensions for most users). I'm sure there are some apps still supported today that work on the original Pilots. There will be a whole new generation of apps that are going to be OS 6 and later only. Those devices are probably only about 6 months away. RE: Operating system upgrades?
Why would you want to upgrade to Palm OS 6 when Palm OS 7 will be so much better? Why wait for Palm OS 7 when Palm OS 8 will be so much better... why wait for Palm OS x when Palm OS x+1 will be so much better. This sounds like the advice I was given when I wanted to buy my first computer in 1995. If I listened to them I'd still be waiting because there will always be something better right around the corner. My opinion: If you can afford it, and want it... buy it. When the new stuff comes out and you want it... buy it. Put the old stuff up on eBay to recover some of your expense. RE: Operating system upgrades?
This buy it and replace it next week attitude is fine for people in rich countries, but something like the T3 is the equivalent of two months rent or 4 months food for some of us. It isn't a matter of waiting around for some unknown future OS - v6 finally does what v5 should have been in the first place; at the very least it eliminates some limits that should have been removed in v5. They have now with 5.2.1 finally upped the Memo size, but I presume we're still stuck with the 16 category limit. If that category limit exists then the very least Palm can do is fix it in 5.2.2 or whatever and make an update available to current owners. I know Sony won't offer an upgrade, they're too greedy and really don't care about the customer once they have your money. In the past Palm have been good, but I'm beginning to suspect those days may be over and their attitude may become if you want the new software you have to buy the latest hardware even if it isn't necessary for technical reasons - they must already know most of the requirements of v6 by now. At the moment I'm getting the same doubletalk from Palm that I usually get from Sony which makes me very suspicious. It is very annoying to buy something this expensive and find out in a few months that it can't be upgraded and Palm knew all along. Would current hardware be upgradeable to v7? I doubt it and I really don't care because by then I'd be prepared to buy new hardware. RE: Operating system upgrades?
>>>the T3 is the equivalent of two months rent or 4 months food Damn, I'd like to know where YOU live! In NYC dollars, the TT3 is two week's food and one week's rent! RE: Operating system upgrades?The Ugly Truth @ 10/3/2003 3:01:16 AM #
Why wait for Palm OS 7 when Palm OS 8 will be so much better... why wait for Palm OS x when Palm OS x+1 will be so much better.
RE: Operating system upgrades?The Ugly Truth @ 10/5/2003 4:18:55 PM #
You may be shocked to learn that Palm's in house (and outhouse) research shows that 99.7% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs. Furthermore, the number of people that have actually upgraded the OS on their PDAs is a vanishingly small (but tediously vocal) minority. A new study from Outhouse Research, Inc. states that 99.84% of Palm purchasers don't care what OS version is installed on their PDAs, slightly higher than previously-published numbers. The study also found 0.01% of Palm purchasers upgraded the OS on their devices.
RE: Operating system upgrades?
"The study also found 0.01% of Palm purchasers upgraded the OS on their devices." I do find that an interesting stat. I had thought it would be higher. Maybe that's because I have the HandEra 330 and upgrading is such a simple task. I'd bet the percentage of HE owners who upgraded is much higher with the free OS upgrade and an easy way to do it. RE: Operating system upgrades?
> I do find that an interesting stat. You would be interested in the source of his statistics as well. RE: Operating system upgrades?Pavel Krupets @ 11/9/2004 3:15:42 AM #
I want to upgrade my Palm to new OS, because I am making software for it, and want to be sure that it works on real stuff (otherwise I can test it only on emulators).
I agree about the fact that users don't need upgrades. Good example is game stations sales. But there are some people who want to upgrade!
more detailed review and photos (but german)
Hi, check it out with much photos of the new bad battery baby ;-)
greetings from Germany
Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
Babelfish gives less than clear results: Contra: to: Versus: Akkuleistung Akku not exchangeably no status LED (Bluetooth) no automatic volume adjustment with put headphones WAV files not as alarm usable Plastic eyelids (? yet does not confirm) provided Schutzcover -- what is "Akkuleistung Akku"?!!? RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
"Akkuleistung Akku not exchangeably..." Read it as: Battery-capacity / Battery not exchangable (Beginning of a lists of minor points of the machine)
RE: more detailed review and photos (but german)
Hi,
Akkuleistung: Akku:
Thomas
Palm Powered Handheld Reviews from T.W.G at: www.pdaforum.de
Category Limit?
The review says Palm addressed the 4k limit on notes. Did they also address the 15 category limit?
32K Memos & Clipboard
So, if Memos can now be 32K, has the itty-bitty Clipboard been given steroids too?!!? Anyone know how many characters it can handle now? RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Geez, can't ONE of you with a TT# frigging try the clipboard with a LARGE Memo?! How much effort is it to open said Memo and Select All->Copy to see if the Clipboard protests? I would have done it myself, but there are NO TT3 demo models out in NYC that I've found yet (have not hit RCS or Circuit City; can't go to Best Buy -- a month ago I called an annoying salesjerk there a fatso!). I did try it on a Tungsten E with just a 4K Memo beamed over -- Clipboard limit exceeded when I did Select All->Copy. RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Maybe they don't like you? Perhaps it's your sparkling personality? ;) Scott RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Mike, Still waiting on an answer from Palm... I did try to copy a large memo and got the classic 'clipboard limit exceded' so, looks like they didn't fix it. Isn't there a clip hack for OS5? RE: 32K Memos & Clipboard
Waving middle finger in the general -- no, SPECIFIC -- direction of those who read the query and did NOT answer because of who asked it. Listen, you toadstools, if I paid attention to WHO posted things, I'd never reply to a single fekkin message here. And, you nitwits, do you expect others who have the SAME DAMNED QUESTION to ALSO post it? Thank you for continuing to deserve my low opinion of you. |
