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Mike Cane is back with with his highly anticipated Palm OS predictions for the new year. Read on for a speculative and entertaining look at what the year ahead may hold for the Palm Powered economy.
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Maybe not Oracle

Verteron @ 1/2/2004 2:02:42 PM #
Hehehe...

I'm not sure whether it will be Oracle, but it's certainly true that PalmOne and PalmSource would make an interesting aquisition for a number of companies in that kind of area. Possibly a large electronics firm (such as Texas Instruments or maybe even still Sony...) or some other large tech company (IBM has had relations with Palm before and sold rebranded handhelds, someone out of the blue like Hitachi or some other dissilusioned PPC licensee).

On points 2 & 3, I agree that more adverts of PalmPowered devices doing things like spreadsheets or playing full screen video/MP3s might help their perception.

RE: Maybe not Oracle
Marshall Flinkman @ 1/2/2004 2:24:50 PM #
> On points 2 & 3, I agree that more adverts of PalmPowered devices doing things like spreadsheets or playing full screen video/MP3s might help their perception.

I'd say palmOne has a start on that with their web ads of the T3 doing spreadsheets to emphasize the larger screen. Now they (and other licensees) need to bring more of that to Joe Public's attention, not just techies.

RE: Maybe not Oracle
hotpaw4 @ 1/2/2004 4:14:36 PM #
Oracle has no retail presence; and Ellison has gotten burned by most of his investments in hardware, so my guess is that a PalmOne/Oracle deal is quite unlikely. However, both Ellison and IBM might like to make PalmSource a stronger surrogate opponent against Gates and company, given that linux has no traction in the handheld space. Of course, the killer combination in the handheld space would be for Apple and Nintendo to team up for an iGamePodBoy(tm) family of entertainment PDA's.
RE: Maybe not Oracle
Palm Cow @ 1/2/2004 9:35:52 PM #
The whole reason palmOne spun off of PalmSource is because if they are together, licencees are discouraged. Although I think Garmin would stay with PalmOS, I think that Sony will pioneer PPCs with VGA (after getting mega-pissed at Palm being 1 again (no relation to palmOne ;) ) ). Yes, I know Toshiba has the e80X, but I think Sony will really main-stream it.

Oh, and ... read my other comments.

Chess or Chyes
Palm Cow loves it.
CHYES! kevin707s@mchsi.com

RE: Maybe not Oracle
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:31:46 AM #
If Sony does PPC it will have ... drumroll! ... Memory Schtick!

And what would distinguish their PPC from other PPCs, other than that? Toshiba is already to PPC OS what Sony has been to Palm OS.

RE: Maybe not Oracle
HandyMan @ 1/4/2004 3:33:00 PM #
I think this is a stupid prediction. It's not going to happen. Even if Oracle wants to be part of the PDA scene they'll just buy PalmSource not palmOne. Oracle is a software company not a hardware company. And combining PalmSource palmOne under the same ownership will kill PalmOS.


RE: Maybe not Oracle
Jejoma @ 1/5/2004 5:26:59 AM #
Interesting about Sony but why assume they switch to PPC? They already have a strong showing with Symbian and the major expansion is already happening in the smartphone arena - as with the Treo - somewhere where Microsoft are trailing, as ever. In Q3 for Europe and Asia the sales of the Sony Ericsson P800 alone were
something like 2/3 of Palm's total sales.

Cheers,
Jejoma

2003 - 3 of 11

Token User @ 1/2/2004 2:26:07 PM #
I'll give you 1, 3, and 9. Fujitsi *might* be the mystery PalmSource licencee, but it is unknown. I had hoped OS6 would be out, but looks like 12/29 has come and gone.

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: 2003 - 3 of 11
mikecane @ 1/2/2004 5:50:15 PM #
Fujitsu I said *last* year. So if they come *do* come in, they're a year late by my calendar...

RE: 2003 - 3 of 11
cscullion @ 1/5/2004 7:03:22 AM #
Fujitsu already has a Windows CE .NET device on the market... I doubt they'll jump ship any time soon.
RE: 2003 - 3 of 11
rsc1000 @ 1/5/2004 2:18:08 PM #
>>Fujitsu already has a Windows CE .NET device on the market... I doubt they'll jump ship any time soon.
Who said they have to jump ship? Samsung has both Palm OS and PPC devices.


Delayed publication

mikecane @ 1/2/2004 2:31:05 PM #
This was submitted to Ryan on Wednesday 12/31 at 4PM EST for publication *that evening*.

Unknown to me, he had already taken off for the holiday.

It appears now, late, exactly as originally written.

I've yet to see the predictions of others (I've been offline myself since Wednesday), so if there is any duplication, it is entirely coincidental.

I held off publishing mine this year because last year, suspiciously, everyone published theirs (including people who had *never* done any *before* -- I'll not name any sites...) after I did mine. I wanted to play chicken with everyone else.

So much for *that* gamble...

RE: Delayed publication
Foo Fighter @ 1/2/2004 3:24:14 PM #
I still haven't finished predictions yet. Just you wait! Other than the Sony prediction, our predictions won't look very similar.

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com
RE: Delayed publication
Strider_mt2k @ 1/2/2004 3:39:35 PM #
I wondered why you made a point of putting that notice up front!

More cool predictions, let's see what happens!


RE: Delayed publication
PlasticMan @ 1/2/2004 4:03:29 PM #
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I held off publishing mine this year because last year, suspiciously, everyone published theirs (including people who had *never* done any *before* -- I'll not name any sites...) after I did mine. I wanted to play chicken with everyone else.
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so many of your past predictions came true, i can see why people would want to steal your ideas. i'm using the palm version of microsoft reader and calligrapher on the fujitsu palm now. ::rolls eyes::

you didn't get hardly any thing right. every one copied you but some how did better?

who are you and why should i care what your opinions are? how long have you worked in the pda industry?

We're the people we've been waiting for

CORRECTION!
mikecane @ 1/2/2004 5:41:04 PM #
The article is *NOT* as I wrote it.

When I typed the above message, I hadn't proofed it. The point of my original message was to state that although it was published late, I had *not* seen other's predictions and gone back to change my own. (I have since read another site's predictions and see they are saying tiny HDs will be in PDAs -- something I said *last year*!)

Several paragraphs are in fact MANGLED and I've emailed Ryan to find out WTF happened. Specifically, predictions 3 and 4.

Geez, did 3 and 4 make *sense* to you people?!!?

RE: Delayed publication
mikecane @ 1/2/2004 5:51:07 PM #
PlasticMan (I'm sure the handle fits), I don't give an eff whether you care about the predictions or me or not. But I noticed you GAVE ME YOUR TIME TO READ THEM.

Sucker!

RE: Delayed publication
PlasticMan @ 1/2/2004 5:55:52 PM #
looks like you mangled the html in #3

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When Foo Fighter first said Sony would quit Palm OS, I
laughed. And I continued to laugh until I saw Sony's TJ series. They look like the beginning of a retreat from Palm OS. I expect 2004 to mark the death of the CLIE in favor of the handheld
PlayStation (with "Play OS"?).
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We're the people we've been waiting for

RE: Delayed publication
I.M Anonymous @ 1/2/2004 6:50:20 PM #
I had to read the HTML source to understand 3 and 4. It appears that the link tags are screwed up somehow (although they look fine in the source to me).

RE: Delayed publication
Strider_mt2k @ 1/3/2004 8:49:29 AM #
Mike, it hurts your credibilty to throw around insults with the rest of the morons.

Every time I see a cool article by you it's completely offset by the way you handle the comments.

If you are going to be a dude, be a dude, not one of the rabble.

Unmangled paragraphs
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:09:58 AM #
Ryan is AWOL again. If he can't keep PIC going properly, he should SHUT IT DOWN, dammit. Better to kill it altogether than to see if slowly sink into a slum....

Here are the UNMANGLED paragraphs with the links forcibly embedded...

3) Sony Cuts Back

When Foo Fighter

http://www.pocketfactory.com

first said Sony would quit Palm OS, I laughed. And I continued to laugh

http://tinyurl.com/2z5sr

until I saw Sony's TJ series. They look like the beginning of a retreat from Palm OS. I expect 2004 to mark the death of the CLIE in favor of the handheld
PlayStation

http://tinyurl.com/2gbmt

(with "Play OS"?).

4) palmOne Does Infomercials
Before Larry Ellison takes out his wallet to buy The
Two Palms, palmOne will start an infomercial blitz on
cable and late-night broadcast TV. In an effort to
sell higher-end units to the general public, palmOne
will go all-out to show the kinds of things its PDAs
can do. And also why everyone should have a Treo

http://tinyurl.com/3g5uq

instead of an ordinary cellphone.

http://tinyurl.com/ytcwm

(Microsoft will follow suit -- but only for its atrocious

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6355

Smurfphone,
leaving Pocket PC users frustrated [as usual!].)


RE: Delayed publication
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:52:41 AM #
Less than an hour after my post, Ryan mysteriously shows up to fix the mangled paragraphs. 2004 is real keen so far!

RE: Delayed publication
Admin @ 1/3/2004 1:05:45 PM #
sorry I wasn't on duty, friday night!!!
RE: Delayed publication
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 4:26:00 PM #
Hair of the Dog this AM?

RE: Delayed publication
PlasticMan @ 1/5/2004 10:09:14 PM #
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I have since read another site's predictions and see they are saying tiny HDs will be in PDAs -- something I said *last year*!)
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you said they would be in pdas during 2003. you were wrong, they aren't. if they are in a pda this year, that other site will be right, cause that's what they said. (you will still be wrong, you got the wrong year.)


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We're the people we've been waiting for

RE: Delayed publication
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 12:49:51 PM #
Once a prediction is made, it stands until it is *fulfilled*.

Just because the baby didn't come 9 months on the dot, does that mean it's not coming at all?

RE: Delayed predictions
PlasticMan @ 1/6/2004 1:53:46 PM #
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mikecane said:
Late in 2002, when ARMed/BeOSed Palms start to appear, Sony will introduce the first Palm OS PDA with a built-in hard drive.
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when you make predictions for 2002 that don't come true in 2002, then you're predictions are wrong.

if you had predicted the florida marlins would win the world series in 2002, you wou be wrong, even though they won in 2003.

if your predictions are meant to last forever, say that. "some day there will be a pda with a mini hd." If you say its going to happen in 2002, you don't get to say you were right if it happens in 2004.


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We're the people we've been waiting for

RE: Delayed publication
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:56:02 PM #
Bicker, bicker, bicker.

no subject

UZI4U182 @ 1/2/2004 2:35:21 PM #
quote:



Copyright © 2004
by Mike Cane.
All Rights Reserved.



That was my favorite part of the whole article.

UZI4U182@suscom.net
Main PDA: NX70v + WL100
http://clieflash.shorturl.com

RE: no subject
mikecane @ 1/2/2004 2:49:43 PM #
Aren't you special.

RE: no subject
UZI4U182 @ 1/2/2004 4:51:46 PM #

Not a chance!

abosco @ 1/2/2004 2:26:14 PM #
Your predictions are funky this year!

#1 - Oracle? No way; who else is out there? Apple? Nope. When was the last time they used technology that wasn't their own? So who could gobble up PalmSource and/or PalmOne? Could it be *gasp* Sony? It is SONY that has the biggest goal of world domination, and it puts Microsoft, Oracle, and Apple's world reign plans to shame. But I wouldn't bet any of them touch PalmOne or PalmSource. Not this year, at least.

#2 - Zire 21 is the last greyscale PDA we'll see. 320x320 color plus OS 5 ARM for $100 will be snatched up by consumers.

#3 - If the OLED rumor is true, Sony could EXPLODE with manufacturing handhelds. They could have a very defined segment where the Clie and PSP could co-exist. 2003 was a terrible year for Sony, starting with the NZ90. They just went in the wrong direction, and they'll correct it this year.

#4 - I don't think informercials, but all the companies (including PPC) will do a good amount of advertising. The OEM's and software companies will finally understand why PDA sales are in a steady decline - not many people know what can be done with them. Bring aboard some good software developers, license and create some good technologies, advertise in magazines and electronic shops, and watch your sales go way up. I can't believe this hasn't been done earlier.

#5 - If OS 6 really does have the ability to adjust software according to the device's screen specifications and other factors like memory heap and processor speed, then you better believe many companies will use VGA. If PalmSource drops the ball, we'll be looking at HVGA for a long time.

#6 - Textmaker for Palm OS. I don't know if that's really a prediction, but it'll come true. It'll face fierce competition from Docs To Go being bundled with many PalmOne handhelds, and users may not see a reason to upgrade. Softmaker will see weaker sales in the Palm OS side, and come out with PPC versions first in future releases, with Palm OS versions far behind. Zealots will use this argument like the old, "Can I play Quake on that?"

#7 - Opera? Sorry, your fantasy won't come true. Start a petition, show there's people willing to buy, and then you might get them interested. At the moment, NetFront reigns and is officially licensed by PalmSource. Give them a good reason to try to join.

#8 - Decuma won't want to, but PalmOne will license the technology alongside Sony. Both will use the soft graffiti area and come bundled with all handhelds. PPC users will claim superiority because they can write in cursive (nevermind the fact that they have to delete a ton after misinterpreted words!).

#9 - Fuel cells still won't be here. In the beginning of 2005 we'll see them, but not now.

#10 - Nope, all PDA's will still be dumb. Maybe in five years this will be a reality.

From reading these predictions and those at BrightHand, you guys both went conservative.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
Lucky Bob @ 1/2/2004 2:50:33 PM #
"Opera? Sorry, your fantasy won't come true. Start a petition, show there's people willing to buy, and then you might get them interested. At the moment, NetFront reigns and is officially licensed by PalmSource. Give them a good reason to try to join."

Hey, if they have versions of their browser for four smartphone families...

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

RE: Not a chance!
EH @ 1/2/2004 4:10:14 PM #
"Apple? Nope. When was the last time they used technology that wasn't their own?"

Mac OS X, Apple's most important product, was not written by Apple. Neither was the iPod's OS. Nor was iTunes. Or Final Cut Pro, Shake, Logic, or WebObjects. (Going back further, they didn't write Emailer either.) Apple bought all of those from third parties after they had been written.

Mac OS X's BSD subsystem of course wasn't written at Apple or at NeXT, and Safari's HTML engine wasn't written at Apple either.

And of course, they didn't invent the mouse or the GUI, though they were the first to make those things usable.

As far as hardware goes, Apple popularized USB but didn't invent it. I'm pretty sure they didn't invent 802.11b, which they also popularized.

So I wouldn't be surprised if Apple bought any company so that they could use the company's hardware or software.

But Steve Jobs did say that he wasn't interested in PDAs, so I would be surprised if Apple bought PalmOne or PalmTwo.

My bet is on Disney buying them.

RE: Not a chance!
abosco @ 1/2/2004 4:31:36 PM #
Fair enough; I stand well-corrected. Nicely done, EH. But the point still stands as valid - Apple has expressed zero desire to enter the PDA market again. They have bad memories of the Newton and think it'll never work for them.

I mixed myself up.. I wanted to mean, "When was the last time they licensed a technology," but this didn't apply because we are discussing who could buy either Palm company. My fault.

But honestly, when was the last time they licensed a technology and paid royalties for it?

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
mikecane @ 1/2/2004 5:53:51 PM #
>>>Mac OS X, Apple's most important product, was not written by Apple. Neither was the iPod's OS. Nor was iTunes. Or Final Cut Pro, Shake, Logic, or WebObjects. (Going back further, they didn't write Emailer either.) Apple bought all of those from third parties after they had been written.

Isn't OS X simply based on NeXT OS? If so, that hardly counts as an acquisition (unless the other way around: NeXT actually bought *Apple*). I knew about the iPod OS, but not the others. Those are very surprising to me (but I've been out of the Mac loop for a long time).

RE: Not a chance!
EH @ 1/2/2004 6:12:21 PM #
"Apple has expressed zero desire to enter the PDA market again. They have bad memories of the Newton and think it'll never work for them."

Steve Jobs said that they don't want to enter the PDA market because they don't see it going anywhere. They see smart phones as replacing PDAs, and Steve (wrongly, IMHO) said that there are enough phone companies. I really wish Apple would release a smart phone, but I don't see any reason why they'd have to use Palm OS to do it.


"But honestly, when was the last time they licensed a technology and paid royalties for it?"

I assume they have to pay something for USB and 802.11. They co-invented FireWire, so I imagine they don't have to pay for that. But those are pretty small things and I assume you are talking about bigger things like operating systems.

Apple licensed BSD and KHTML, but since those are free, they didn't have to pay any money. But they still license them in that Apple doesn't gain an advantage by being the only company that can use them.

(Interestingly and a little bit relatedly, IIRC Apple bought Toshiba's entire supply of 1.8" HDs for the iPod, which is why it took so long for iPod competitors to arrive.)

RE: Not a chance!
Courante @ 1/2/2004 7:20:52 PM #
-POS lost majority marketshare this year, falling below 45% and keep dwindling.

-OS 6.0 is slightly late and it's a dog. It's crash happy, slow, and has massive incompatibilities. POS gets the bad rap for releasing unpolished product. OS 6.0, just like OS 5.0, again fails to reverse Palm loosing trend.

-PPC rules everything above $199. Palm belows it. It will only change slightly after Palm releases a second OS6.0 model that fix the glitch in the later part of the year. (similar to T|T -> T|T3 in 2003)

-unlike 2003 where the action are in low end models, 2004 will see actions in all price range. Vendor will experiments will far wider form factor, design and features.

-Palm fumbles with BT/WiFi yet again, specially with applications.

-Palm is out from any high end models until late next year when Sony returns with a high end snazzy model with video/TV and new screen. Majority of Palm's sale will be T|E, Zire, and some new low end model.

-2004 is the year of screen and wireless.

-MS finally gain meaningfull marketshare in phone market. Treo 600 dies a sad and pathetic death by summer. cheap treo shows up, PPC PE finally gains market, MS smartphones continues runaway sell closing in to Symbian. Dell dips their toe on wireless handheld with a GoodTech. clone.

-First mass market ultra expensive communicator costing $1200 shows up for Christmas 2004, heralding the new dawn of wireless handheld golden age. It runs either UIQ or PPCPE.

-Sony PSP shows up, tough battle at first but scares the hell out of any handheld maker in the market. Zodiac dies. PPC becomes a legit gaming platform when directX for handheld is released

-Toward the end of the year there will be handhelds with TV reciever, GPS reciver, and multi MP digicam. Also: Intel Bulverde, 128MB+, dual wireless, USB2go

RE: Not a chance!
abosco @ 1/2/2004 7:26:51 PM #
You forgot to put "PPC r0x0rz" at the end of your post. Why can't you just go back to your poorly-written MSMobiles website and stop trying to convince yourself you're not an illiterate prick. And stop acting like you know what's going to happen. PPC2k3 did absolutely nothing. Oh look, now we've got 'Wizards' in our PPC. Fan-freaking-tastic. They don't work properly on the desktop, so why in God's name would I want them on my handheld? Listen up, moron. You better pray PPC2k4 will live up to the hype you're projecting or Windows Mobile will turn out like the bastard child of Bill Gates. Smartphone will not take off, Tablet PCs are laughable, and PPC, even if it captures all of the handheld market, is way too insignificant to keep the entire Windows Mobile platform alive. Keep talking about Palm dying, but know that once Palm dies, Microsoft won't do squat after that. You already had a lengthy list of improvements to PPC2k3, and imagine how much more lengthy it'll be in five years when you're stuck with the same thing (think MSIE6).

T-minus three years until Windows Mobile becomes totally neglected by Microsoft. There's a good prediction.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
Courante @ 1/2/2004 7:51:37 PM #
chill Bosco. have some more egg nog.
just because my predictions have higher chance of being right than your blurb is no reason to get all pissy on me. (did you say Sony will be #1? hah.)

and yes 2k4 will live up to its hype, while OS 6.0...ehrrr. crash ...bomb... flop...kaboom...a thud.

PS. msmobile? eh?

RE: Not a chance!
Altema @ 1/2/2004 8:28:40 PM #
"They don't work properly on the desktop, so why in God's name would I want them on my handheld?"

Forget just the wizard Bosco, WINDOWS does not work properly on the desktop! But it has the same effect on me; if something does not work properly, crashes on a regular basis, freaks out unexpectedly, gives "Explorer needs to close" messages while it dumps your work, needs constant patches because it lives with the OS guts exposed to the internet... well, I'd hesitate to have Windows on my handheld too.

But, they can still play MPEG files without conversion, exception for the conversion to get "PPC friendly" files which no one will admit is a conversion in the first place ;)

RE: Not a chance!
Altema @ 1/2/2004 8:42:42 PM #
"and yes 2k4 will live up to its hype"

It's official for our corporation of 13,000. For 2004, PPC has been rejected and is unsupported by our IS department. However, Palm is supported and endorsed by IS, and staff members can order Palms directly through purchasing. The Palm desktop software is available on our servers 24x7. I just thought it was a little odd that this stance would be taken by a Microsoft-dominated shop such as ours.

PS: I'm usually more platform agnostic than this, but SKA brings out this kind of stuff :)

RE: Not a chance!
Courante @ 1/2/2004 11:40:44 PM #
that situation won't last forever I can tell you that. eg. ActiveSync will be integrated in Longhorn, wanna bet how Hotsync perform compared to that version of AS? hah...

we'll see how your IS evaluates OS 6.0.

RE: Not a chance!
abosco @ 1/3/2004 1:29:53 AM #
>>that situation won't last forever I can tell you that. eg. ActiveSync will be integrated in Longhorn, wanna bet how Hotsync perform compared to that version of AS? hah...

You're betting superiority due to a future version of ACTIVESYNC??? Oh man, that is possibly the worst part of using a PPC - that damned software.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN GUEST!! THERE'S ONLY ONE USER!!

Seriously, though. Activesync pales in comparison to Hotsync's ease of use and reliability. Hell, even the MVP's know it. It's on version 3.7, and it still has the same rehashed problems. So what if it'll be bundled in Longhorn? That's not out for TWO YEARS!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
abosco @ 1/3/2004 1:39:59 AM #
Forgot about this:

>>Forget just the wizard Bosco, WINDOWS does not work properly on the desktop!

Classic!!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
Courante @ 1/3/2004 8:53:06 AM #
In the near future, hotsync is not going to be easy and simple anymore. Hotsync is Palms conduit version of OS 4.0. It doesn't have the feature to face the future.
RE: Not a chance!
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:21:57 AM #
>>>-OS 6.0 is slightly late and it's a dog. It's crash happy, slow, and has massive incompatibilities. POS gets the bad rap for releasing unpolished product. OS 6.0, just like OS 5.0, again fails to reverse Palm loosing trend.


Have you SEEN OS 6 ... or are you having flashbacks to the original Palm-Size PC?

RE: Not a chance!
Courante @ 1/3/2004 11:30:01 AM #
It's an educated guess.
RE: Not a chance!
abosco @ 1/3/2004 12:14:40 PM #
>>It doesn't have the feature to face the future.

And ActiveSync DOES??? Ska, what kinds of features are you talking about? Automatic wireless recognition and sync? First, Microsoft needs to concentrate on it working properly with its current feature set, THEN they can implement more features.

And I hope you know there's actually third party software that lets you hotsync at intervals. ActiveSync could actually be useful if it didn't suck so much. I'll continue to bash that piece of junk until, A) they fix it, and B) you stop saying it'll be a Godsent in Longhorn and realize that if they havent fixed it in version 3.7 and all previous patches, they're not GOING to fix it.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN GUEST?!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
Courante @ 1/3/2004 2:42:25 PM #
>>> And ActiveSync DOES??

Yes Bosco, it does. It will be integrated into the next version of OS, the Longhorn.

RE: Not a chance!
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 4:26:57 PM #
>>>It's an educated guess.

The word "educated" should never be mentioned in your proximity. Unless speaking of others who have the misfortune to be near you at the time...

RE: Not a chance!
abosco @ 1/3/2004 4:27:56 PM #
That's the impressive feature for the future? You don't have to install the program in Windows?

Wow, that's lame. If you're claiming superiority because it'll be included in Longhorn (2005!), then you're even DUMBER than I've been thinking all these years!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Not a chance!
rened @ 1/4/2004 5:57:28 AM #
Wouldn't it be nice for PalmOne self, to rule out these educated guese?. Say, tomorrow. Or, this week.
Apart from sending the golden master to the licencees also announce a working OS6 Simulator (so every on can try it) or even better invite some people (PIC?) to try some real os6 samples and let them spread the sensation!

RE: Not a chance!
vkchengm @ 1/5/2004 11:04:12 AM #
Courante

RE: Not a chance!
vkchengm @ 1/5/2004 11:05:09 AM #
hahahaha! you are one hell of a joker!!! hahahaha!!!

RE: Not a chance!
vkchengm @ 1/5/2004 11:06:52 AM #
Courante, the son of Bill Gate!!! hahahaha!!!

RE: Not a chance!
sub_tex @ 1/5/2004 2:42:13 PM #
You forgot to put "PPC r0x0rz" at the end of your post.

Ha! Thanks for the laugh abosco.

Well it's about time!

Lucky Bob @ 1/2/2004 2:43:19 PM #
"Before Larry Ellison takes out his wallet to buy The Two Palms, palmOne will start an infomercial blitz on cable and late-night broadcast TV. In an effort to sell higher-end units to the general public, palmOne will go all-out to show the kinds of things its PDAs can do. And also why everyone should have a Treo instead of an Smurfphone, leaving Pocket PC users frustrated [as usual!].)"

I think a little advertising is what these companies need to show the public how useful PDA's are.

(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)

RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/2/2004 5:55:14 PM #
They'll *have* do to infomercials. Should they keep relying on the idiot reps at CompUSA, Circuit City, et al? That's suicide!

RE: Well it's about time!
Wollombi @ 1/3/2004 2:59:39 AM #
Yeah, unfortunatley there are too few Jeff Kirvins in the world.

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Sean

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RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:22:42 AM #
Or maybe one too many...

RE: Well it's about time!
ianbetteridge @ 1/5/2004 1:43:08 PM #
Mike, how about you can the crap personal comments and grow up a little? Your opinions are interesting and valuable, and can stand without you attempting to wind people up.

RE: Well it's about time!
jkirvin @ 1/5/2004 3:59:25 PM #
Thanks for the kind words, Wollombi.

As for Mike, I have no idea what he has against me, he's never explained why he got angry and left my Yahoo Group. I have to agree, though, that his frequent random and seemingly irrational attacks don't help his credibility.

JK

RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 5:12:17 PM #
>>>Mike, how about you can the crap personal comments

Don't read. If you can to begin with.

RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/5/2004 9:07:51 PM #
>>> that his frequent random and seemingly irrational attacks don't help his credibility. >>>

well is not like you are terribly consistent yourself. So let's not be too judgemental eh? At least mike cane is straight up and humorous, instead of pretentious.

RE: Well it's about time!
jkirvin @ 1/5/2004 9:56:48 PM #
re: not consistent: If by that you mean that I use both PalmOS and Windows CE as my needs dictate rather than blindly following one platform, then I'm guilty as charged. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

re: pretentious: Care to elaborate? Cite specific examples. I call it like I see it, and if you don't agree with me, that's simply not my problem.

RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/5/2004 11:17:56 PM #
Softwares library is key
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column010430.htm
Cost consideration
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column000918.htm
The fundamental point of PPC advantage has not changed yet.
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column011001.htm
Cleartype is good for e-text reading
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column011231.htm
Options are good for input.
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column020415.htm
list of category that PDA are graded on
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column020610.htm
The perfect writer PDA
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/ThePerfectWritersPDA.htm
cheap PPC
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/ThePerfectWritersPDA.htm

Overall, you clearly define what criteria a PDA should satisfy to fit 'YOUR' need. Namely "Software title", "price", 'your wordprocessing need', 'various specific system features and convinient you have written'

You were yakking about how Wordsmith is so much superior to pWord for a good long time and decide that is Palm key feature. I am sorry but if you want to be consistent, you have to keep yakking about PPC/textmaker combo until better solution exist in Palm. Z71 ain't it.

Regarding your last article? Le't just say you'll have great difficulties defending these paragraph:

'With very few exceptions, Pocket PC users can now find PalmOS alternatives for everything they do on the Pocket PC, and switching to the Palm camp isn't the downgrade it used to be. More to the point, many Pocket PC users may find that life is easier on the Palm side of the fence. If you haven't used a Palm in a couple years, try one out and see if it feels right. You might be surprised.'
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column031229.htm

Of course you you are going to use artistic license to waffle around 'I didn't say that' or, no no, you got it alll wrong.

well, let's put it this way. Benchmark and tabulated list of features doesn't budge. Palm units does NOT have the software, the price, and the hardware features based on what you have written over time.

You don't want to be pretentious? put disclaimer at the end of your writing indicating you really dont' follow your own criteria, and reader should NOT take your advice as if you know what you are doing. But hey... we all got opinion right?

RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 12:52:20 PM #
Oh leave Jeff alone. He's entitled to change his mind just like anybody else. What's he supposed to do when he finds PalmOS a better fit for his needs, not switch to it because he was enamored of PPC before then? Stop being silly.

As for me vs. Jeff, that's our business, not yours.

RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/6/2004 1:11:07 PM #
the point is exactly, POS hasn't changed and done a better job, doh! (wordprocessor, price, wireless, etc.)

Is there a new Wordsmith version that suddenly doing better job than textmaker? or QE/DTG? if so I sure miss the announcement.

as for softwares, we are not talking about nit picking feature here, but big gaps of features and price. No wonder he nevers go beyond auto tracking apps or let's make a list apps. That's what organizer is about, go buy $99 zire. But $200 bucks+ handhelds? I think not...

RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/6/2004 1:16:03 PM #
oh, there is certainly nothing wrong with keep changing hardware as new models being introduced. But please, keep the comparison straight eh? Don't fudge feature and price. It doesn't add up. If he likes cool new handheld because it has cool color and new. Hey more power to him, but to start making comparison and claim based on rather limited set of softwares and preferances and pass it as general guide to platform... I think not. (nevermind he didn't even follow his own features preferences etc.)
RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:58:14 PM #
All this Holier Than Thou crap from some idiot who STILL won't admit that PPC's alarms are UNFREAKINRELIABLE!

RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/6/2004 6:49:30 PM #
It's fixed mister cane. duh. time to find new PPC fault.
RE: Well it's about time!
somas1 @ 1/7/2004 7:14:29 PM #
"RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:58:14 PM

All this Holier Than Thou crap from some idiot who STILL won't admit that PPC's alarms are UNFREAKINRELIABLE!

RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/6/2004 6:49:30 PM

It's fixed mister cane. duh. time to find new PPC fault."

Fixed? How so. The last time I saw something about this issue that had some substance to it was in this brighthand thread:
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?threadid=97345
Here is a key excerpt:
HP Tech to PATRICKJEF
" this (the alarm situation) has been escalated to Microsoft. What is happening has to do with the "housekeeping" that occurs at midnight. The Operating System comes on for 15 seconds at or around midnight , as you know, to perform housekeeping duties. Within those responsibilities is the packing of the alarm database file, dbnotify. Unfortunately, 15 seconds is not long enough for all of this to happen. On top of this, every time a soft reset is performed, the size of the Dbnotify file, doubles. Hence, the 15 seconds grows shorter and shorter as there is more to do and less time to get it done. This time will be increased in the following release to 1 minute."

The missed alarm "feature" is hardwired into the OS. It has not been fixed although I think I've read about a half dozen patches including the one in the above brighthand thread.

RE: Well it's about time!
allemande @ 1/7/2004 9:26:15 PM #
It's fixed. doh'. if ya just wanna scream about faulty product, try fried SD case instead. (sorry but it just doesn't compare to damaging hardware)
RE: Well it's about time!
somas1 @ 1/8/2004 6:54:45 AM #
It's fixed and yet it's still an active topic on ppc thoughts. That makes sense. And as I'm sure you know sd cards have been fried by axims and ipaqs as well as tungstens.

RE: Well it's about time!
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:23:31 PM #
If my cat was "fixed" the way alarms have been "fixed" on PPC, she'd still be able to have kittens...

RE: Well it's about time!
allemande @ 1/10/2004 7:50:49 PM #
It's fixed, get over it.

Oracle

Gekko @ 1/2/2004 4:56:30 PM #
I think Larry Ellison is too smart to pay $300M+ for a company that loses $40M+ a year.


Perfect PDA

Timothy Rapson @ 1/2/2004 8:18:02 PM #
I predict Palm will drop the price of the T3 to the range of the similarly configured HP 1940...na won't happen and I won't buy one.

I predict that Palm will add virtual grafitti and 32 meg of RAM to the TE so it competes with the value of the HP 1935....na won't happen and I won't buy one.

I predict that Palm will bring the Zire 71 up to 64 meg and match the 1 megapixel swivel camera and other features of the Sony NX....na won't happen and I won't buy one.


Look, Palm Sony, HP et al. All I wanted is a model with both SD and CF slots, lots of memory, nice hi-res screen, camera and a decent price. Oh, and for the love of all that is holy a flip lid like the one on the $19.95 "PDA" on the counter at WalMarts! It doesn't take a prophet to predict what users want and what would sell. The mystery every year is why oh why doesn't anyone make it.

RE: Perfect PDA
Altema @ 1/2/2004 8:54:59 PM #
Well, we have a few with lots of RAM, some with real nice screens, but don't hold your breath for a CF slot on a palmOne device. I think they will go to dual SD first. Sony has a couple with CF, but I doubt they will EVER have SD.

Flip lid: do you mean the plastic flip-up style like the old III series, or the leather/pleather flip attached to the left side like the M5xx series? I never noticed the ones at Walmart, it's not the kind of place I'd be looking for a handheld.

RE: Perfect PDA
hotpaw4 @ 1/3/2004 2:11:56 AM #
someone wrote:
> It doesn't take a prophet to predict what users want and what would sell. The mystery every year is why oh why doesn't anyone make it.

You're right. People want everything and more, and want it to cost less than nothing. Thy mystery is to figure out something which a large fraction of a million people are willing to pay enough for that the product can be manufactured and sold at healthy profit margins with low risk, and to get it to market before it becomes obsolete. Can you do that?

RE: Perfect PDA
Timothy Rapson @ 1/3/2004 8:25:36 AM #
What I can't figure out is how the company that made the standard Palm III and V can't make a standard model with virtual grafitti. The TE is so close. Why didn't they offer another just like it with 64 meg and vg?

PPC does this. They have three compacts and three standards. The compacts all have sd, the standards have sd and cf. They are selling better than the Palms and Sonys that these days offer every oddball configuration imaginable, but no standard one. It is not rocket science marketing. It is what defines a mature market and the PDA market is long past due for maturity.

I greatly prefer the Palm OS over PPC, but I am not buying either in 2004 unless they offer one with a simple standard design for a reasonable price, like they did with the Palm III/V generation and as the PPC OEMs do now.

RE: Perfect PDA
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:24:31 AM #
>>>a model with both SD and CF slots

Hell yes to CF! I want it too!

>>>The mystery every year is why oh why doesn't anyone make it.

Well, Yankowski was too busy instructing his tailor how to embed the gold threads in his IPO suit ... when he wasn't having wet dreams over that huge Corp HQ building that never came about.

God knows what the hell they are all doing now ...


RE: Perfect PDA
abosco @ 1/3/2004 12:26:05 PM #
>>Hell yes to CF! I want it too!

I thought you said you didn't like CF?

2003 Predictions:
"How odd that a (look at how bulky it is!) Compact (bulky!) Flash slot shows up in the NX (and before that, in a Japan-only sled for the T). This is a toe dipped into the wrong pond, upsetting the calm waters of potential buyers."

Man.. you change your mind more often than an ADHD child!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Perfect PDA
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 4:28:11 PM #
I don't like CF for *Sony*. For the rest of the world, it's better than SD -- and MStick (or MStick Pro or MStick Prostitute -- or whatever name they'll give it without officially announcing they've dropped it, i.e., failed in its design to begin with!).

Highly anticipated?

Scott R @ 1/2/2004 8:41:01 PM #
"Mike Cane is back with with his highly anticipated Palm OS predictions for the new year."

Highly anticipated? Really?

Personally, I think Mike's predictions should be published on April 1st of each year.

Scott

http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

RE: Highly anticipated?
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:26:37 AM #
This from someone who wastes his time (well, it's not worth anything to begin with, so why the hell not!?) playing games. I am sooo hurt.

RE: Highly anticipated?
Jeffry @ 1/3/2004 3:35:01 PM #
Who the hell is Mike Cane? Why is it highly anticipated?

*laffs*

RE: Highly anticipated?
killah fury @ 1/4/2004 6:55:06 AM #
I think Ryan @ PIC was being sarcastic when he wrote that it was highly anticipated. I agree, Mike's predictions should be posted on April 1st.

RE: Highly anticipated?
ardiri @ 1/5/2004 10:16:04 AM #
HAHAHA..

mike - really, i dont think many people really give a crap about what you have to say; who made you the 'guy who knows everything'? you have absolutely nothing to make you credible. give it up. if anyone, ryan would have a better clue as to what is coming in the future than you - i would prefer to see what ryan thinks.

---
Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Highly anticipated?
Scott R @ 1/5/2004 2:22:54 PM #
"i would prefer to see what ryan thinks."

Ditto.

Scott

http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -

RE: Highly anticipated?
abosco @ 1/5/2004 3:53:21 PM #
Geez, people. Since when did we all decide who was the expert Palm reader (pun MUCH intended)? I get a kick out of reading Mike's predictions, because no matter how wrong I think they are, they're entertaining to read. Oracle to swallow Palm? Hell, I don't even think they know what Palm does. But that didn't stop me from making my own guesses. Isn't that what it's all about? Community? Do I need to call for a group hug?

I'll say this - it's better than Brighthand's predictions (if you can really call them predictions).

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Highly anticipated?
Foo Fighter @ 1/5/2004 4:00:29 PM #
Good Lord, you people are brutal. When they put Mike in a Nursing Home, I hope none of you are put in charge of his care. Poor guy. 8^
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RE: Highly anticipated?
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 5:13:20 PM #
B*st*rds all. Bring em on. Like they hurt me. Especially ardiri and his past exploits. *He* should talk about, coughcough!, cred? That's the one word that should not come out of his mouth or from his fingertips.

Hey, Ugly Truth, where are you now?

RE: Highly anticipated?
palmhiker @ 1/6/2004 12:38:23 PM #
Agree with him or not, you can't argue with the fact that his articles inspire more entertainment that this site normally sees.

Ska, Kirvin, Cane etc. trading punches in the same thread is just classic stuff! I say keep it coming baby!

RE: Highly anticipated?
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 12:54:13 PM #
Wait til you see my next article...

RE: Highly anticipated?
Courante @ 1/6/2004 1:10:13 PM #
your secret love child with britney?
RE: Highly anticipated?
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:59:48 PM #
Dammit, next time I get you to sign an NDA!

RE: Highly anticipated?
ardiri @ 1/6/2004 5:40:30 PM #
B*st*rds all. Bring em on. Like they hurt me. Especially ardiri and his past exploits. *He* should talk about, coughcough!, cred? That's the one word that should not come out of his mouth or from his fingertips.

bah.. bollocks.

i could bet i have more credibility in regards to being able to understand the handheld market and predicting what can be done and what cannot be done; mostly because

a) i am involved in it every day (my job)
b) i am a developer, with a clue
c) i am a developer who has very strong seeding access.

at least i uphold to keeping my mouth shut about NDA's - otherwise i could have blurted everywhere information like the Tapwave Zodiac weeks after it was thought up :) *sigh* - those were the days.

but, speculation is good.. just dont cry when it doesn't happen :) be real.

---
Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Highly anticipated?
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:25:00 PM #
>>>a) i am involved in it every day (my job)

Rust never sleeps, either.

>>>c) i am a developer who has very strong seeding access.

Yawn. If it wasn't for that, what would you really have?

RE: Highly anticipated?
ardiri @ 1/12/2004 2:59:35 AM #
> Yawn. If it wasn't for that, what would you really have?

aw... is someone upset that OS6 hardware really exists and, someone doesn't have access to it? i pity you mikecane. really, i do. if only you knew what was around the corner; i am very bored with every latest model on the market - mainly because i know whats coming.

whats worse is that you americans know squat about competitive markets; not everything revolves around the US of A. the BEST smartphone isn't the Treo 600, although, it is very nice. the winner hands down is the Sony Ericsson P900 - oh wait, you dont have that over there do you!? so no wonder why it isn't in your radar. how about the Nokia 7700? .. if only you were where these things get created; you'd have a better clue.

---
Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: Highly anticipated?
abosco @ 1/12/2004 10:02:51 AM #
>>if only you knew what was around the corner; i am very bored with every latest model on the market - mainly because i know whats coming.

I've been bored with every latest model, save the TT3 when it was first introduced. UX50? Please! But that's no fair! I want to see so I can complain about the processor speed or RAM issue or screen size or that multitasking has too much overhead! That's such a dream job. Gimme gimme gimme!

>>if only you were where these things get created; you'd have a better clue.

Trust me, us Americans are aware of our phone situation. Hell, the GOVERNMENT is stepping into the system to improve on it, mandating the ability to take our number to different providers. Almost every company now uses a SIM card, which is a step closer to Europe's superior system of buying the phone and plugging in any SIM card you want. Zero locked phones would be perfect. If and when this happens, the US and Europe will be equal in the cellular area, and after that, it's only a matter of time before the amount of people using a phone surpasses Europe and the companies bring their business predominantly to America. That's how it works here - there's a huge market of people with enough money to buy these goods and services.

And let me state for the record I still don't believe smartphones will take off. In its current form, even the Treo 600, it simply doesn't provide enough benefit over a two-piece solution, and it doesn't justify the cost to those who are buying dumb phones with PIM capability. It needs a lot of improvement, or even Microsoft will drop it.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Highly anticipated?
mikecane @ 1/12/2004 2:20:43 PM #
>>>whats worse is that you americans know squat about competitive markets

This from some Eurobean (sic) whose communications monopolies (PTTs) have been state-run for ages. Oh, you Euros will teach US about capitalism? Wait til your vacation allotment shrinks to zero, pal. THEN you will understand competition.

>>>not everything revolves around the US of A

But it does. And you can't stomach that. Too bad.

>>>the BEST smartphone isn't the Treo 600, although, it is very nice. the winner hands down is the Sony Ericsson P900 - oh wait, you dont have that over there do you!?

Who the eff cares? How many programs run on it? NEXT!

>>>if only you were where these things get created; you'd have a better clue.

You get a clue. Everything's created -- and manufactured -- in Asia.


You're assuming the US economy will keep expanding

Palm Cow @ 1/2/2004 9:41:13 PM #
I know the world isn't just the US, but the US is very important to the world. The government lowered interest rates to help the economy move along, but it's time to raise them again. This stuff may come true until June/July--then the economy slides a little due to raised interest rates (now they are 5.8%, very low, and are extimated to be 65.%-7% (still low but aprx. 1% higher!) by August) and then it levels out. Look at the Dow. It has exploded (good explosion) but the government can't hold onto these low interest rates forever. I realize that the interest rates moreso affect building (homes), but reprecussions of this will lead into the computing and PDA world.

I got those numbers from ABC news just today.

Chess or Chyes
Palm Cow loves it.
CHYES! kevin707s@mchsi.com

RE: You're assuming the US economy will keep expanding
abosco @ 1/3/2004 1:43:47 AM #
Raising interest rates is a good sign, actually. It means we are in a recovery and there is more money to be made. As long as they don't overspeculate the value and saturate prices (won't happen), we'll hit a period of prosperity in a few years just as well-off as the 90's. Hopefully then companies like Priceline.com won't become some monstrosity overnight without actually making a product.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: You're assuming the US economy will keep expanding
Wollombi @ 1/3/2004 3:03:09 AM #
Actually, lower interest rates is ALWAYS good for business. I (along with investors and corporations everywhere) would be perfectly happy if the Fed would just leave things alone for a change. Hell, their trifiling with interest rates and such had a great contribution to the market slide in the first place.

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE: You're assuming the US economy will keep expanding
Palm Cow @ 1/3/2004 1:19:58 PM #
Aye. Well. Few of these come true *waves hand*

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Palm Cow loves it.
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Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps

TooMuch @ 1/3/2004 12:29:42 AM #
Don't look for "infomercials" and the like so much as you should look for more palmOne owned (franchised) kiosks (or small stores) in malls.

Secondly, it probably won't happen, but palmOne should place manufacturers reps at larger retail outlets (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.), but only the higher volume stores. These reps would simply be palmOne Q&A reps (i.e. palmOne employees) rather than store employees.

RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
Wollombi @ 1/3/2004 3:05:34 AM #
Here's a novel idea. Why don't the stores actually ask meaningful questios in the interview process to see if prospective employees actually *know* anything about the products they will be expected to sell? While we're at it, maybe they could think about a higher-than-minimum-wage paycheck for associates in order to attract truly qualified people.

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
Strider_mt2k @ 1/3/2004 8:54:29 AM #
Because anyone who actually knows anthing expects to be paid for it.

RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
Strider_mt2k @ 1/3/2004 8:55:38 AM #
They've been making millions hiring rejects, and you want them to what?

Pay employees more?

Not gonna happen.

RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
madhatter @ 1/3/2004 10:41:05 AM #
"Secondly, it probably won't happen, but palmOne should place manufacturers reps at larger retail outlets (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.), but only the higher volume stores. These reps would simply be palmOne Q&A reps (i.e. palmOne employees) rather than store employees."

They already do that. I've received several e-mails regarding store locations and times for someone from PalmOne to be at a particular location to answer questions.


A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
mikecane @ 1/3/2004 11:28:31 AM #
Then why haven't I ever seen such people?

I'm *constantly* running into a WinMob rep at stores in NYC. He has a regular circuit -- and he *knows* his sh*t too. And he's not a PPC Cultist, either.

RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
madhatter @ 1/4/2004 12:08:45 AM #
"Then why haven't I ever seen such people?"

Don't know why, but you might try getting on the PalmOne's e-mail list. I did and that's how I get notices. They have "blitzes" where they bring a bunch of reps into one city, plus each major city has their own rep. I would imagine in a city as big as NYC, they must have a lot of ground to cover, possibly spreading them thin. I've seen my city's rep a few times in various stores.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

Infomercials--A Brilliant Marketing Strategy

ozz @ 1/3/2004 3:23:56 AM #
IMHO, the Infomercial approach for Palm/POS products is a brilliant idea and makes perfect sense for a cost-effective marketing strategy. Infomercials do have quite an important place in TV advertising/marketing of products that need to visually show the public how they work and demonstrate their features. Ron Popeil knows this all too well (as he laughs all the way to the bank!) http://www.ronco.com/history_of_ronco.di4

My prediction is that if an effective, *good* Infomercial is produced and widely broadcast for the next generation Palm product (maybe T-4 or Treo 700?) then THIS will be Palm's turning point!

Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics

mini-me @ 1/3/2004 10:04:38 AM #
When it came time for me to get another PDA (upgrading from newton), the PalmOS was at PalmOS 3.5 and it did not really offer me much (or so I thought). I viewed it as a simple organizer rather than an all-in-one solution like my Newton 2100 (which I still own). I thus played with the PocketPC, liked it and bought it. Similarly I went with the P800 symbian smartphone over a palmOS base smartphone for the same reason. Palm, to my delight, has grown and is becoming better.

What does palm need to do?
(1) Get Rid of monochrome low end models - period! they do a diservice to the brand

(2) Add some more "standard" fields in the addressbook! Have a second address, and AIM, ICQ, yahoo screen-names. Have Bdays and anniversaries as well (and other dates if possible) just like the Newton had, just like the PPC, symbian and MacOS X's addressbook have! The custom fields while nice, are a problem. Keep custom fields though, they are good.

(3) Built-in bluetooth for all models, make connectivity a priority. Smartphones and phone connectable PDAs will be the next wave of devices

(4) Bundle a web-browser, multimedia player and other apps commonly found in PPC and other PDAs. I do realize that some peopel have no need for these apps, that is why you put them on a CD and clients can install as needed. I use the media player daily on my p800 and my PPC, and I go online quite often from both.

(5) Make more Palm stores! Have your inventory out for people to play with. Do what apple did! :) Educate people on the products rather than have a know-nothing employee tell potential customers that "This (a pocket PC) runs on a pentium which is better, but this runs ( palm device) runs on a texas instruments chip - I would go with the pentium chip" (first of all..whaaa?? pentium?! this guy doesn't know what he is talking about). Also, if you feel comfortable doing this, have your licensee's devices out (Sony, and others) for your clients to play with. You do need though to have CORRECT info out there for people to know because the Best Buys of the world could not care less which one you buy. They just want you to buy the more expensive one.

(6) Add some sparkle, some bling-bling, some pizzazz (is that spelled right?!). Be like sony in some ways, add that 1.3/2.0 MP camera, add that flash, don't be afraid to experiment with a few value added features, break the mold of the old PDAs and make something new (well obviously still keep some of the old styles around since everyone has different likes and dislikes)

(7) Finally -- STANDARDIZE! you need to have a PDA and smartphone edition and keep em compatible with one another and up to date. you need to create a smartphone OS that is pretty much the same across the board no matter who makes the hardware.


--- Acquisition talk ----
Well.. Oracle probably wont buy em.
Sony probably has a stake in it and could go forth and buy them, but I do not see this happening. Apple could go forth and buy the OS rights but leave the hardware to be their own business. Given Apple's and Sony's track records on the Newton and on the MagicCap based devices... it looks a bit grim (although I could be suprised).

I see palm being slightly more innovative this coming year with new models, and I see them self-marketing like apple.



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Armchair Boardroomers.
orb2069 @ 1/5/2004 12:39:57 PM #
WRT:
(1)(No B&W) - I don't see where a 20+ day battery life does any brand damage - I also don't see how having variety in the lineup makes someone less likely to buy.

(2) (More standard fields) Yes, let's break beaming compatability. While we're at it, why not see if we can get Peacemaker to port their software to OS 6?

You can use carriage returns in all the fields PalmOS supplies. If you could point out a specific situation where having a 'Birthday' field would be signifigantly better than creating a shortcut that created a template for such information - so much better it's worth having Joe User stare at his pilot in bewilderment and say 'You never gave me that, dear.' when his 505 trims the birthday from a OS6 entry field.

(3)(BT) Funny that most mobile kiosk vendors I visit (Looking for a phone at the moment) need to have the word 'Bluetooth' explained to them before they tell me they don't have phones that support it. Get better mobile support first.

(6) Have you been paying ANY attention? cameras(Clie) sliders (theirs) Virtual graffiti (HE), built in wireless/BT - If Pa1mOne steals ideas from their competitors any faster, they're going to have to move to taiwan.

(7) Isen't this exactly what people complain about WRT the PPC?



RE: Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics
robman @ 1/7/2004 6:36:45 PM #
>You can use carriage returns in all the fields
>PalmOS supplies.

Of course, this is the solution problem of not having enough fields (or the RIGHT fields for a particular user) in the address book. OS6 stores data for new fields as part of the data for the current OS1-5 fields, or as an addendum to an attached note. So, the data is retained when beaming from OS6 to OS1-5, and the data can be rebuilt when beaming from OS1-5 to OS6!

I bet, however, that OS6 STILL contains the same stupid limitations on every one of the core Palm Apps---for (easy) compatability with older Palms. I wouldn't be surprised of OS6 has some extra features that are non-essential (like photos in the Address Book as some third-parties have done), but I bet there will continue to be the 4k memopad limit, etc.

I know Mike Mace mentioned that this would "go away" in OS6---but I bet what really happens is that there's just a "new" Memopad app. If you try to beam to an old Palm, it beams a copy of the program OR it truncates the memo OR it creates a bunch of smaller memo.



Palm Enthusiast since 1998

RE: Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics
mini-me @ 1/10/2004 10:57:33 AM #
As mentioned by the previous poster, POS 6 could figure out a way of making sure data is exchanged properly *while* moving forward, adding new fields to the addressbook (or other apps, whatever the case might be). The point here is to move forward while maintinging some sort of compatibility with the past. Compatibility will eventually be phased out. Being an IT person I see people with their computers and PDAs daily (even on my days off--a bit sad really - anyway) and I have not seen anyone with a device that runs anything lower than POS 3, and even the POS 3 people are limited.

It is a fact of life that most products get EOLed (End of lifed), we have seen this with companies such as apple and microsoft and I do believe that palm is not different. We can talk all about compatibility with POS1 and other ad-nauseum but when it all comes to the end what is more important is compatibility with the two or three versions of the OS previous to the newest release (in our case POS3,4,5).

As for copying the competition, I am not saying to copy them per-se. I am simply implying that they should out-do them a little push the envelope a little, see what happens.


And as for Bluetooth, After BT came out, any phone that I have bought has had it. Now who has BT and who doesn't? This is more or less a technology issue and not a manuafacturer issue. It seems to me that most GSM phones have BT while CDMA, TDMA and iDEN phones do not. *if* carriers live Nextel, verizon, sprint, bell and telus asked for BT phones LG, Nokia, Samsung and SonyEricsson would make phones with BT for them. This is teh disadvantage of CDMA and iDEN phones (TDMA is being phased out in favor of GSM). You cant just buy *any* phone and throw your SIM into it. CDMA phones do not have SIM capability and iDEN phones are more or less proprietary to motorola (even though they support SIM cards).

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RE: Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:27:02 PM #
>>>If you try to beam to an old Palm, [...] OR it creates a bunch of smaller memo.

There's nothing wrong with that. When I scan several pages with my QuickLink Pen and beam to my CLIE, it automatically will put text in a 2nd, 3rd, however many Memos are needed to keep the text. (Not having a TT3, and always forgetting to have my QLP in pocket, I've yet to see what it'd do with that 32K Memo limit...)


Huh?

mikecane @ 1/3/2004 4:47:59 PM #
So where is everyone else's predictions?! Everyone seemingly had to add *theirs* in the Comments last year. Not this year?

And while I've got your attention: How popular is RSS, why do people use it, and why would I need it?

RE: Huh?
abosco @ 1/3/2004 5:00:53 PM #
About a month ago, there was a thread (created by one of ska's aliases) in the forums created for 2004 Predictions. When that iteration of ska was killed, the thread was masked and can no longer be accessed. You can find it by using a search "2004 Prediction" in the subject only in the General section. Maybe there's a way to get Ryan to make it accessible again?

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Prediction 11

mikecane @ 1/3/2004 4:53:58 PM #
"Nor will Bill Gates achieve this year his dream of winning a Nobel Peace Prize. I am not making this up."

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040101.html

-- Cringely's predictions for 2004.

Which leads me to Prediction 11:

Someone in power will finally see Bill Gates for the marauding sociopath that he is and take covert action against him. (Finally, those billions spent on the FBI and CIA will do *some* good!)

RE: Prediction 11
Gekko @ 1/4/2004 4:53:09 PM #
Gates tops generosity list
Magazine says Microsoft chairman and his wife have given away $23B, half their net worth.
November 22, 2003: 8:59 AM EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Microsoft founder and chairman Bill Gates and his wife Melinda are the most generous charitable donors in America, Business Week magazine said this week, as the couple gave away or pledged a staggering $23 billion -- more than half of their net worth.

Find this article at:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/22/news/companies/gates_charity.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes


RE: Prediction 11
Strider_mt2k @ 1/4/2004 7:56:17 PM #
In the words of Montgomery Burns:


He'd give it all away for a little more.

OK. Here's my prediction

JonAcheson @ 1/4/2004 7:40:39 PM #
And this is a simple one:

Someone will market an "iPod killer" running Palm OS 5 (or possibly 6). This will be a fairly standard OS5 device, save for the iPod-style microdrive with flash buffer that gives it gigs of storage.

Synch via USB2 or possibly FireWire.

Price point about $250.00.

Second prediction: it won't kill the iPod, because a)it's not Apple, so the mac faithful won't buy it, and b) it lacks the integration with iTunes and an online music website.

Jon Acheson


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: OK. Here's my prediction
hotpaw4 @ 1/4/2004 8:48:01 PM #
I like this prediction, except that I'll change the buffer from flash memory to a RAM disk. The new OS 6 security mechanisms might even allow DRM'd AC3's. This is all assuming that Apple hasn't already tied up most of the world inexpensive microdrive production capacity.


RE: OK. Here's my prediction
JonAcheson @ 1/4/2004 9:05:36 PM #
Yeah, on reflection, it's most likely that the thing would just copy the MP3 into regular memory from the hard drive then play it. With a Palm device, you've already got regular memory there to work with.

And I doubt Apple has all the world's microdrives bought out, not with multiple manufacturers getting into the market.

Here's a crazy thought: make it interface with a Tivo, and store/playback your TV shows on the microdrive.

Jon Acheson

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: OK. Here's my prediction
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 5:17:43 PM #
Very good. I'd had an MP3 player in an early draft... but would be surprised if it'd happen after Dell's reeel cheeep unit and the upcoming allegedly-cheeep new iPods.

RE: OK. Here's my prediction
FieryPumpkin @ 1/5/2004 8:15:45 PM #
I don't think that will happen. First of all, I doubt anyone would be able to make an OS 5 or 6 iPod killer that has a form factor anywhere near as sexy as the iPod for such a low price. Let alone match the space capacity for that price. Second, desktop software issues. MusicMatch is atrocious and iTunes for Windows is just barely this side of better. So if someone can make an OS 5 or 6 iPod like device with a better desktop software bundle, then maybe it would work. But Apple hasn't even done this, I don't think anybody else would be willing to put the time and effort into it. Also, as Steve Jobs said, the future is in smartphones. While I'm personally not crazy about this, I think most other companies would rather focus on smartphones than killing the iPod.

RE: OK. Here's my prediction
JonAcheson @ 1/6/2004 10:49:23 AM #
Smartphones may be a growing market, but Palm would be stupid to focus ONLY on smartphones to the exclusion of all other devices. Look where it got Handspring, after all.

Jon Acheson


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: OK. Here's my prediction
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 12:56:02 PM #
>>>Look where it got Handspring, after all.

Yes: Treos are selling out wherever I look. What about, hack!cough!sputter!, Smurfphone?

Of course Smurfphone is cheaper: It does far less and the huge discount is a freaking BRIBE to get the suckers on the hook.

RE: OK. Here's my prediction
JonAcheson @ 1/6/2004 6:17:31 PM #
I meant, "bought out." Which at the time was a good deal for both Palm and Handspring, because Palm got a good smartphone, and Handspring got absorbed back into Palm instead of dying from putting all their eggs into one basket.

Jon Acheson

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

predictions

ardiri @ 1/5/2004 10:02:16 AM #
you know, if it wasn't for all the NDA's i sign on a daily basis - i could give you pretty accurate 'predictions' every time :) i dont know why people bother with predictions, as they are a total waste of time; you just get people's hopes up.

#1 - oracle
that a long shot.

PalmOS 6 includes its own database schema manager; and, it is limited at that (as it should be). handheld devices are not designed to support carrying large data sets.

the only reason oracle would purchase palm/palmsource would be for an asset; not something the company could use. i wouldn't see anymore purchases make on palmone/palmsource for quite some time; the handspring/palmone and the palmone/palmsource split took a lot of resources - it wont happen anytime soon.

#2 'its just an organizer'
well, it is! whats wrong with that?

#3 sony cutting back
Sony is a weird company; they are the ones who truely innovate the PalmOS, but, at the same time - mess it up. there will be a slowdown on sony based units; maybe dropping to 2 new units per month; more focused on providing units like the ux50.

#5 HVGA/VGA
i'd expect the max resolution for 2004 to stick around 320x480 and 480x320. what toshiba did was a fun little hack; but, it costs a bombshell - the LCD displays need to get down in cost before someone commits to doing this. just throwing a new screen in doesn't help - applications need to be updated to support them; PalmOS itself promotes 'hires' and 'hires+' - not higher.

#6 textmaker
um.. there is a LOT of software on Pocket PC that'll makes it way over to Palm. why be specific about a little word processor?

#7 opera
this is a long shot. you need to start coding there mike, to really understand what is required to make a port like that to happen. i know John Marshall (prc-tools maintainer) now works at opera, but, i would be sure as hell that he isn't working on opera on palm.

(other predictions = cannot be bothered messing with)

now, lets waste some bandwidth.. oh, (c) 2004, Aaron Ardiri.

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RE: predictions
Foo Fighter @ 1/5/2004 3:23:04 PM #
quote: "opera? this is a long shot"

Agreed. I'm not a developer myself, but I understand the architectural requirements for this app would make it nearly impossible on PalmOS. Pocket PC...maybe. Palm..no.

I realize you're under NDA, Aaron, but can you give us your impressions of the "robustness" of PalmOS 6 in this regard? Is OS6 a capable brand new platform..or is it still too limiting?

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RE: predictions
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 5:21:07 PM #
>>>handheld devices are not designed to support carrying large data sets.

>>>#2 'its just an organizer'
>>>well, it is! whats wrong with that?

PLEASE tell me:

a) That you are NOT a consultant to the two Palms

or if you are that

b) they damn well DON'T listen to you.

And if you ARE a consultant and they DO listen to you, PLEASE fill up your wallet with stock from both companies so when they go belly up, they'll take YOU with them.


RE: predictions
ardiri @ 1/6/2004 5:36:13 PM #
I realize you're under NDA, Aaron, but can you give us your impressions of the "robustness" of PalmOS 6 in this regard? Is OS6 a capable brand new platform..or is it still too limiting?

OS6 provides a brand new kernel - which, removes a LOT of limitations currently present with the current suite of PalmOS devices. OS6 is now public knowledge; at least, it will be at the PalmSource developer conference in Feb.

as a user, you probably wont notice much from a user interface point of view - other than clearer/cleaner fonts; palm catches up with pocket pc/symbian from the graphics regards in OS6. most of the true benefits come from the re-write of the kernel and the squishing of the restrictions put in place at the palmos 1.0 codebase.

however, i personally dont find that many restrictions in OS5 - you just gotta know how to get around them. i am sure Opera could be ported; but, why.. it'll take a LOT of work, from very experienced developers. thats why it wont happen. time isn't what most of us have these days.


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RE: predictions
Courante @ 1/6/2004 6:39:39 PM #
Sorry, the Opera team, they have no plan porting their ware to POS. Unless you know something that they don't
RE: predictions
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:30:43 PM #
Yes, I do.

I know that plans change, you dimwit (it's ska, everyone!).

Hawkins

mj6798 @ 1/5/2004 10:20:33 AM #
On the other side, the neuroscientists -- with their mountains of data -- were still unable to truly understand how the brain functions. In his point of view, this was not due to lack of information, but a fundamental lack of a connection between the evidence-based neuroscientists and the theorists. He felt that there was no clear Brain Theory, and that the only way to truly understand the way the brain worked was to have close collaboration between data-collecting biologists and theoretical engineers. To this end, he states, he thus created the non-profit Redwood Neuroscience Institute to foster such collaboration.

Well, Hawkins is about, oh, 50 years behind the cutting edge there: that kind of collaboration started seriously and on a large scale at places like MIT in the 1950's, and it is now a fixture at all major universities.

RNI sounds like a nice hobby for a wealthy amateur scientist, but it's a drop in the bucket for the scientific community already working in these areas.

unknowns

mj6798 @ 1/5/2004 10:25:35 AM #
Palm's future will depend on the details of PalmOS 6 and its release dates. They are in deep trouble if they have any more delays. And if PalmOS 6 fails to fix some of the more serious limitations of the PalmOS platform and fails to make PalmOS a platform with a more mainstream architecture, then Palm will probably face a gradual decline.

And no matter what Palm does, with the increasingly powerful hardware, the OS will matter less and less. Once PalmOS is a 32bit multitasking OS, people will port cross platform toolkits to it and you are going to see more and more software developed to those toolkits and just recompiled for the different handheld platforms.

Second prediction, or wishful thinking

JonAcheson @ 1/5/2004 12:09:40 PM #
Well, since the choruses of "All we want is virtual graffiti" have (mostly) been answered, maybe Palm will grant the wishes of the "all we want is an OS 5 version of the Treo 90" crowd.

Something like a Tungsten E with a thumboard would do it, though a proper flip-cover for the screen would be nice.

Jon Acheson


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

Will these products ever ship?

epotter @ 1/5/2004 3:08:51 PM #
I predict that the entrie year will go by and we still wont have drivers for a wifi SD card or have a fossil palm OS watch.

Fuel Cells?!

jsp91470 @ 1/5/2004 3:17:32 PM #
That sounds weird to me... I was under the impression that one of the benefits of fuel cells is that they're environmentally friendly. Specifically, they emit water vapor as a by-product. This is great for cars, but a water-vapor-emitting PDA seems distinctly unhealthy to the PDA, unless they plan on making them waterproof. Imagine storing your PDA in a hardcase! You'd have to drain the water out when you open it.

Or maybe I'm just being too literal-minded. Was that prediction meant seriously?

RE: Fuel Cells?!
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 5:25:47 PM #
Welcome back to the real world! Did the institute treat you well?

"Hitachi to squeeze fuel cell into PDAs"

http://news.com.com/2100-1041-5120224.html

RE: Fuel Cells?!
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 5:26:58 PM #
Ah, and let me put my foot out to trip up the tinythinking carpers:

Yes, that article says Hitachi is planning it for *2005.*

Who's to say Hitachi is the *only* cell maker?

predictions

RyanP @ 1/5/2004 5:53:04 PM #
i think most of these predictions are off.

The goal of the palm's is to make money so following that premise you will see

- deeper push into smartphones including a lower end (cheaper) smart phone. They WANT volumes. you will see a sub $200 palm os smart phone by year end.

- use of palm 6 to push into laptops (this way you may be able to charge more per copy of the OS and you get yourself a nice new application). It is after all the year of the laptop and intel and windows are vulnerable here. I'd expect this close to year end and probably with a 12 inch or smaller display. Sony is my top candidate here but other japanese vendors are also potentials.

-continued focus on enterprise.

-use of palm os 6 to push into new (perhaps embedded) applications.

- palmsource must remain independent but will surely welcome investment from oracle, sony or anyone else.

- I don't doubt opera for palm os 6 because i still think that palm OS 6 will share a bit of technology from beos/beia and we all know opera ran on both.

Palm wants money. They need new sockets for their products because pda's are a niche. The Palm's want out of the niche and they will focus on smart phones, enterprise and laptops. For all i know sony will include palm os in future versions of the PSP.

RE: predictions
mikecane @ 1/5/2004 6:47:22 PM #
The laptop bit is an old story. I'm not going to repeat what's on Nagel's wish list!

>>>- I don't doubt opera for palm os 6 because i still think that palm OS 6 will share a bit of technology from beos/beia and we all know opera ran on both.

I'm glad for *that* affirmative vote after everyone else saying Nay.

RE: predictions
ardiri @ 1/6/2004 7:34:26 PM #
I'm glad for *that* affirmative vote after everyone else saying Nay.
you said Opera for PalmOS.

PalmOS6 will allow larger applications to be ported; mainly because it doesn't have the same restrictions as the current operating system. so, for OS6, it can be a possibility - but, right now, why? why do we need *another* browser for the pda? who surfs the web at 320x480 or 480x320? i surely dont. my laptop gives me 1600x1200 - the way surfing should be done - i think its really a reality check as to what the devices should be used for.

as for OS6 and Beos etc.. so what? no-one said anything about OS6 being beos on a handheld - so, whereever you thought that up, forget it. OS6 only brings palm up to par with pocket pc and symbian from an application porting point of view. personally, i like the existing framework fine - good old KISS - keep it simple stupid.

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RE: predictions
ardiri @ 1/6/2004 7:38:06 PM #
for the record:

if opera were to give me the source code; and, give me enough incentive; i am sure i could get opera working on existing OS5 devices. so, i could technically make one of your predictions come true. opera are based in oslo, and, our good friend John Marshall works there now.

porting isn't difficult, once you know what you are doing - part of the problem for most developers that can do it is... time, we just dont have any of it.

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RE: predictions
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:32:04 PM #
>>>who surfs the web at 320x480 or 480x320? i surely dont.

Duh.

Let me tell Toshiba that releasing their VGAed PPC was a MISTAKE! How DARE people use it to browse the web -- and from, if you'll pardon the expression, the PALM of their hands, instead of toting a fekkin NOTEBOOK around!

And let's get that damned web browser out of the Treo 600 while we're at it...

Duh.

And, please, STAY THE HELL AWAY from the Opera source code!

RE: predictions
ardiri @ 1/12/2004 2:51:45 AM #
mikecane: grow up boy.

your predictions are garbage; your an idiot with no cause - you have no idea even how the technology behind what you 'praise' works - nor, do you have any true insights as to what is in development both from the hardware or software level. its people like you that ruin operating systems - you put so much expectation into peoples mind about what to expect from a future release; only to have their hearts shattered when it doesn't turn out the way they envisioned.

if there were no predictions, every new PDA would be a big surprise; and, no-one would be upset. as for using PDA's? i prefer a notebook anyday - even 1024x768 doesn't cut it for surfing the web; remember, its a handheld device.. if you like what toshiba did - go buy that device and drool over it. dont ruin the experience of palmos for other developers

PS: if i was asked, i would port Opera - and, there would be nothing you could do about it. again, grow up.

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RE: predictions
mikecane @ 1/12/2004 2:25:17 PM #
>>>mikecane: grow up boy.

This from someone who has yet to create an app that doesn't involve what is essentially turning electrons into toys.

>>>your predictions are garbage

What does that make you for reading them and responding and responding and responding to them? Less than, I think.

>>>your an idiot with no cause

And yet you reply and reply and reply and reply...

>>>you have no idea even how the technology behind what you 'praise' works - nor, do you have any true insights as to what is in development both from the hardware or software level

Now tell us everything that makes your car works. Your TV. Your excuse for a brain.

>>>its people like you that ruin operating systems

Spoken like a true member of the Old Priesthood who no doubt still pines for the Clean Rooms where the Old Mainframes were worshipped. Welcome to the Disintermediated World. You've been dethroned.

>>>you put so much expectation into peoples mind about what to expect from a future release; only to have their hearts shattered when it doesn't turn out the way they envisioned.

"Their hearts shattered." Puhleeze.

Yes, how DARE us ACTUAL USERS state what we WANT and put PRESSURE on you developers. Dance, slave. Even with your feet of clay.

>>>if there were no predictions, every new PDA would be a big surprise; and, no-one would be upset.

Oooh, look at those new Sony TJs. Wasn't everyone just so ecstatic over those?!

>>>dont ruin the experience of palmos for other developers

-- and THERE is his true whine. He DOESN'T say, "Don't spoil it for USERS." No. Don't ask anything of DEVELOPERS. How DARE we WANT something MORE for our MONEY!

Go back to sleep, dinosaur. Or better yet, die and turn into fossil fuel so you'll have some use in this world.

Boring

Patrick @ 1/6/2004 1:14:58 AM #
Well, Mike, if you are 100% right with your predictions, what a boring year 2004 is going to be.


RE: Boring
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 12:58:50 PM #
If you want a bit more excitement, check out Foo's list:

http://www.pocketfactory.com/archives/000173.php#more

Tch! He veers from PDAcentrism to desktops...

...and gee, where did I first read that bit about Gateway doing PalmOS? (snicker! That's what you get for libelling me, Foo: "buddy"?!!?)

RE: Boring
Foo Fighter @ 1/7/2004 12:26:32 PM #
What would you prefer I identify you as: the @sshole who hangs out over at PalmInfoCenter? There, I fixed the article. Better now? Jeez.

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RE: Boring
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:34:20 PM #
Now you have crossed the line, Kent. I'm sending a squad of trannies over to whip you good.

RE: Boring
Foo Fighter @ 1/10/2004 6:46:28 PM #
Don't mention trannies. Or cats.

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RE: Boring
abosco @ 1/10/2004 8:02:14 PM #
I'm never going to let that joke die. Possibly the most horendous thing I've ever seen on the internet (besides regular Ogrish.com visits).

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Boring
mikecane @ 1/11/2004 2:52:24 PM #
So you KNOW I HAD to go there.

Don't go there.

I stopped after seeing a pic of busted legs.

You kids and your entertainment these days.

Whatever happened to tops, water pistols, and cap guns? (Er, forget that last one...)

RE: Boring
Foo Fighter @ 1/11/2004 5:41:27 PM #
Jesus Horatio Chr1st, Abosco! Why in the hell would you post that link? Jeez!

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RE: Boring
abosco @ 1/11/2004 8:39:09 PM #
I go to that site sometimes when I feel too ****y (which is often). Keeps me in line and reminds me not to take anything for granted. And you know, you didn't HAVE to go there. I said it was the most horendous thing on the internet!

Advice for the weak of stomach - don't go to that site. It's some real cut-throat advice. (pun WAY intended!)

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Boring
Foo Fighter @ 1/11/2004 9:33:34 PM #
Quote: Advice for the weak of stomach - don't go to that site.

No kidding. It's going to take two or three glasses of Port to wash those images out of my mind. Damn, I'll probably have nightmares. 8^(

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*WHY* there is a Copyright notice

mikecane @ 1/6/2004 1:11:08 PM #

These Predictions are Lame

24fc @ 1/6/2004 3:18:27 PM #
1) Oracle Corp. Acquires PalmSource & palmOne

First of all, why should we customers care if this happens? This affects stock owners, not PDA users. Oracle hasn't exactly been busy doing much of anything other than making sure it's database software won't operate without 3 full time DBA's holding its hands all day and all night. I doubt he would buy a company that makes a product at the end of its lifecycle.

2) PalmOS's Bad Perception Continues
I think all PDA's suffer from this - not Palm specifically. I owned a PPC from Toshiba for a year. Everyone called it my pocket organizer, and when I tried to demonstrate it to people, they said, "I use paper, thanks." Geeks will continue to love technology, everyone else will continue to reject it until it shows them some value beyond showing it off. I predict the death of the PDA within two years.


3) Sony Cuts Back
The death of the PDA within two years would be why.

4) palmOne Does Infomercials
This is a last-ditch type move - the kind Apple tried and failed at. Again, the death of Palm and the PDA is probably already written in stone.

5) HVGA vs VGA
No one wants a product that will not fit in their purse or pocket. Resolution has limits on a phone, and that's where the money will be: PDA's built into phones ala Treo. The stand-alone PDA, pager, and phone are dead.

6) Textmaker for PalmOS
I doubt this will affect anyone or anything. I've owned a PDA for five years, and I have never even heard of this.

7) Opera for PalmOS
The Windows browser sucks worse than IE with a google toolbar, and you think this will be a killer app for the Palm? Look for a buggy, slow application that will finally render web pages somewhat usefully by version 3 if at all.

8) Decuma Fix
What is this? Obscure and useless

9) PDA Fuel Cells Arrive
PDA's dead in two years.

10) Jeff Hawkins' "Virtual Dendrites"
No.


Here are my predictions for Palm PDA's:

1. By the end 2005, there will not be a PDA without a phone in it on any store's shelves other than the Goodwill store.

2. Voice Activated control of PDA/Phone combos will replace current one-handed attempts at usage.

3. PDA/Phone CPU's will become faster, counter-acting the effect of increasing battery power, resulting in a net gain of zero - and no one will need the extra CPU cycles or care because battery life is more important than CPU speed now.

4. Palm will become largely irrelevant as a hardware company and may file for bankruptcy by the end of 2005.

5. Agendus and Datebk will still not handle the T3's location field for calendar appointments during 2004.

6. OS6 won't provide any new enhancements that any regular customer would care about, and the difference between OS 5.2.1 and OS 6 will be meager despite all of the hype (just like 3 to 4, and 4 to 5).

7. Bluetooth will stop being put in PDA's by the end of 2005 and will go away.

8. A flash update for OS 6 will be released two months after OS 6 comes out and starts frying memory cards or allowing audio interrupts or other terrible bugs not caught during development.

9. OS 6 will cost too much money, and won't be available as a flash update for certain machines and brands currently popular - and that will disappoint and anger most people here when they find out.

10. My response will attract a firey, angry retort from Mike Crane and some other Palm fans.

Those are my predictions. I think mine are somewhat more reliable than yours, Mike.

RE: These Predictions are Lame
mikecane @ 1/6/2004 4:03:19 PM #
>>>10. My response will attract a firey, angry retort from Mike Crane and some other Palm fans.

You were going good there until you got the name wrong, Mr. Dyslexia.

PDAs morphing into phones in 2 years, huh? We'll see. I've made no secret that I love the Treo. Let's see what it grows into by 2005.

You've made no mention of WiFi, I see...

RE: These Predictions are Lame
hoodoo @ 1/6/2004 5:03:40 PM #
I think he meant Frasier Crane.

RE: These Predictions are Lame
ardiri @ 1/6/2004 7:33:16 PM #
maybe mikecane isn't old enough to know frasier? :)

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RE: These Predictions are Lame
24fc @ 1/7/2004 11:53:12 AM #
Well, prediction 10 came true already. All I had to do was misspell your name. I'm now 10% accurate.

WIFI? It will die. There will be no need for WIFI when cell phone and PDA's are merged, because the device will simply access the data services broadcast by cell towers already, everywhere that they go.

In fact, I think that within the next five years you will see the death of the wired network computer, and all computers will use a cellular network for all of their networking and internet access needs wirelessly.



RE: These Predictions are Lame
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:35:28 PM #
>>>maybe mikecane isn't old enough to know frasier?

I don't waste my time watching s*itcoms.

And if 24-whatever thought *that* was a "fiery" message, he needs to lower his meds to see reality better.

Damn Steve Jobs!

mikecane @ 1/6/2004 4:08:05 PM #
If Apple had gotten into PDAs, there'd *really* be some excitement.

Check out the new iPod Mini!

http://www.apple.com/ipodmini/

RE: Damn Steve Jobs!
Foo Fighter @ 1/6/2004 4:45:26 PM #
If it weren't for the diminished hard drive capacity, I would be half tempted to sell my iPod and get one of these! Oh, and hint to PalmOne: if Apple can use anodized aluminum in a freakin $250 audio player, certainly you can use it on the E2. No more cheap chrome paint, please?

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NEXT STOP, PALM KILLER?
Gekko @ 1/6/2004 8:03:20 PM #
Games, Calendar, Contacts & Notes
Behind the Click Wheel of your iPod mini await features that make it the world’s best digital music player. Listen to your music as you fall asleep, and wake up with music or an alarm. Store a copy of your contacts, calendar and to-do lists on your iPod mini. Or keep anything from store restaurant reviews to nightlife guides, and news articles to exercise routines — right at your fingertips. iPod mini also includes four fun games you can play anywhere, a feature you’re sure to appreciate the next time you’re standing in line or waiting for someone. You can even play your music as the soundtrack to the games— Music Quiz, Solitaire, Brick and Parachute.


RE: Damn Steve Jobs!
mikecane @ 1/10/2004 5:37:12 PM #
I never got an iPod, so this might be the one for me.

Palm Killer? Maybe training wheels for Palm -- after they realize it'd be nifty to *create* appointments on the fly...

Jeff gets SKAed!

mikecane @ 1/20/2004 10:02:05 AM #
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column040119.htm

-- oh the shame of being taken in like that!

RE: Jeff gets SKAed!
Foo Fighter @ 1/20/2004 2:55:51 PM #
It's even more shocking that Jeff devoted an entire article on the subject. I wouldn't so much as mentioned his name. It only encourages further squawking.

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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com
RE: Jeff gets SKAed!
abosco @ 1/20/2004 6:14:18 PM #
Ohhh no... Ohhhhh no...

You've got to be joking. Come on, Jeff, I know ska is a total nut, but you've got to be more professional than to do a formal response on your site to a known troll. At least TRY to hide the fact that your inspiration for the article was a lunatic.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

Opera to PalmOS?!!?

mikecane @ 1/21/2004 10:14:49 AM #
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2004/01/20/

-- gee, what's that SIMULATED PDA in their press release? Why show a fake *T3*? They *could* have shown a fake *anything*!

RE: Opera to PalmOS?!!?
abosco @ 1/21/2004 10:38:25 AM #
Yes, I just read about it 10 minutes ago. Amazing. If you get that Opera prediction right, I'll be one step closer to not calling you such a dork!

The MSR technology looks really impressive. Can't wait to try it out myself. I hope it comes soon.

I'm wondering why they didn't just photoshop in an actual TT3 instead of doing a silly drawing mockup. It's landscape, it's widescreen, it's got a slider, a D-Pad... we get the point, it's on Palm. Why not just say it!?

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

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