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This looks like a fine unit. p1 will seem a ton of these. One caveat - not sure about those dimensions - 120 x 78 x 15.5 mm - a little too thick for my liking. Hopefully, p1 will bring out an E2 soon which is lighter and thinner (and without that BT radio, please). I think mikecane said it best: 'Up yours, PPC'. Nooo...
This would have been 'very nice' one year ago. Now, it's just behind the times. For $400, it lacks features like a removable battery and WiFi that you can get on the competition for $230. RE: Very Nice!
LiveFaith, no offense intended, but I'd be a moron if I believed that. The problem, off course, is that Dell will copy this unit within a few months. Perhaps they will realise that the best selling units are those with good functionality and a fantastic form factor (not the brick-like devises which seem to appeal to those which must have everything but the kitchen sink). In the meantime, 'Up yours, PPC'. (mikecane, can we get bumper stickers for this quote?) RE: Very Nice!
"The problem, off course, is that Dell will copy this unit within a few months." Are you nuts? Dell has a line of Pocket PCs that are selling very well without needing to copy PalmOne's reheated leftovers. Dell offers a unit that is slimmer than the T5, with both flash AND RAM memory, plus Bluetooth, WiFi, removable battery, and 624 MHz processor for $260, $140 less than this TE2 wannabee. $220 less if you add in a nicely delicate WiFi card for the T5. Focus here, people. Who do you think is taking PalmOne's market share? It's Dell and others like them. And the reason they're taking it is because they realise that people want both FEATURES and VALUE. RE: Very Nice!
One must be a major sucker for PalmONE to buy this. My Tungsten T does the same stuff as this one. Why should I shell out $400 for this? DELL Axim x30 624mHz with Wi-Fi + BT tops this device several times on Price and Technology. DELL doesn't need to copy Palm, they already have their own edge. Seems like Palm is no longer the frontier of this market, only the follower. They must have a ton of those Wi-Fi SDIO cards in their stocks, that's why they made this one competible with that card, and forcing loyal suckers to buy this and the Wi-Fi card to add it to their ancient Palm Gadgets list. NO THANX!!!!!!!!! RE: Very Nice!
Given that the T5 still uses OS5, I think palmone has really made a mistake. What a missed opportunity. It should have been an incremental upgrade to the T3 and include all best features of the tungsten range to-date. This would have been my choice: Form factor/slider design of T3 (Best Tungsten form factor) Updated accessories would include (foremost) a new power-to-go. This would have been an excellent finale to the tungsten series before os6 palm models.
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Very nice? Umm, NO. I have been very content with my Clie N760 (yeah, old) until I dropped it 2 weeks ago and messed up half the screen. I got tempted by PPCs (especially the VGA ones here and coming soon) but decided to wait to see what was going to come from the Palm camp. Well this seems to be it. Thanks for all the years Palm (well really Sony). It was nice working with you. Bye. RE: Very Nice!
No thanks. I've been waiting for months for the firm details of the new palms. If this is the best they can do, I'm going to buy a Dell. Ciao, Palm One. RE: Very Nice!
I am reading this thread with some amusements. First, let me say that I too am somewhat disappointed with this new T5. However, the more I think about it, the more I realize that his model is not targeted to user like me or perhaps most users who frequent Palminfocenter. Assuming that T5 does have integrated wifi, voice recording, and Cobalt, would I buy it? The answer, to me at least, is no. Why not? Because I have my money set on the Treo 650 this Christmas. I don’t know what the market research numbers are, but I am guessing that P1’s internal research indicates that most early adopters will migrate to a converged device like Treo 650 rather than upgrading to T5. Sure we all want a PDA with all the bells and whistles, but, being a personal device, I want my PDA to be something that I enjoy using. And this time, Treo 650 is it. A lot of you mentioned about how great the Dell PDAs are. Sure their hardware specs look great, but let’s not forget that a computing device consists of two major technial components – hardware and software. That’s why I have always preferred Palm OS to Microsoft Pocket PC and Apple Macintosh OS to Windows. My biggest concern about T5 is actually the price. T5 is a fine machine but I don’t know if the market is willing to pay $399 for it. I guess only time will tell. RE: Very Nice!
Yes the Dell Axim X30 is a very nice device and offers alot of value for money, but there's something wrong with it, it's a PPC. It crashes all the time and the PPC interface is just horrible! There is another pro for Dell and that is the "1 year Next Business Day whole unit exchange" waranty. If it breaks they'll give you a new unit. With Palm you have to send it in. I'm getting the feeling Palm was working on a nice device, but somewhere along the line they realized it wasn't going to be finished on time and they HAD to come out with something new, with the holiday season coming, so they slapped together some stuff put in some gizmos (battery flash memory) to make it look better and put it on the market. I think Palm willc ome out with a OS6 device somewhere in the next few months. RE: Very Nice!
Wrong! The X30 does NOT crash all the time. I have one, and have used it for a few months, and have had to do exactly 2 soft resets (one was after installing a trial version of a Today Screen plug-in). Let's see, how many times did I have to do a soft reset with my T2, or my Z2 for that matter? WAY MORE THAN I CAN REMEMBER! I'm not here to try and convert people to PPC - far from it. It is however, people who keep putting out disinformation about PPC and trying to FORCE brand loyalty on people that allows P1 to go right on producing things like this 'legendary T5'. I can't believe someone at P1 actually thought this was a good idea! All good things... Impressive, but doesn't meet my requirements.
I'm definitely impressed by this device, however I am still disappointed that there is no built-in WiFi! Come on Palm1, GET THE NET! LIVE IN THE NOW! Not a bad price either. >>>The Flash RAM also allows fro a greater keep alive time...<<< Oh, so not only can I store my files with Flash RAM, but also maintain my fro? =P Just messin with ya! RE: Very Nice!
InsGuy, well said. There's a huge amount of disinformation around here about Pocket PCs. People who have never even really used one insist that they crash all the time (they don't), that the interface is horrible (no, it's just different), that they're slow (the 624 MHz X30 feels faster that most Palms), and that nobody needs the things that Pocket PCs offer. There was a time here when everybody swore that nobody needed more than 16 MB RAM, that color screens were a luxury, and that Pocket PCs were just bags of useless features. Nowadays many of those features are standard on any device that wants to compete. RE: Very Nice!
Touse things, you are saying about PPC are just foolish... 1. Try to open let's say, 5 programs, close it completely (no, not with this ****ty "close" button, but get inside the system with 5-6 taps and CLOSE all thouse programs. Good. REMEMBER amount of Executable memory, you now have. Make a SOFT RESET. Enjoy MORE FREE SPACE then there was. I own FSC Pocket Loox 420 for a month. I can't stand it! Yes, it has good stand-on-from-battery time. But in all other ways it's horrible. No, i'm not rebooting it every hour. It's pretty stable, as long as i use only 6 3rd-party programs. But with 400MHz CPU *I must wait at least 2 secs. to get a connection dialog after tap!* (some times up to 6 sec). 2. Try to install a program WITHOUT A PC. It's almost impossible to get a free CAB file. You are intended to setup it First on your PC (which i hate to do - i have a lot of rubbish anyway), And only then, you would be able to Active Sync and finally get the program on your PPC. There is also an issue about installing Cabs inside PDA. 3. I simply CAN'T USE 5-way Navigator SO productive as i did it on my T3 (that one is now used by my mother, i hoped, i'll be able to get a Cobalt this Fall) I can't do 10% of this productivity! It's just not intended to it. Think what you want, but it's just for gaming, not more in PPCs. 4. There is a lot of small issues about interface and 3rd-party-UI-ideology. For example in PocketIRC i write with BlockRecognizer, but my hand is ABOVE THE INPUT FIELD. Of course i'm a son of glass-cutter and can see through it... WinMobile is solicitously filled up with a GREAT amount of small disturbing and annoying problems, that i'm really CAN'T STAND IT. No, really, a Human can get used to ANYTHING. But i like POS because of its simplicity and power - the ONLY problem *NOW* is that i can't browse 2 pages at the time (still Cobalt 6.1 is better than EVERY implimentation of WM...) I don't know, how Dell gets their prices, but i would never even compare a PPC with Palm RE: Very Nice!
If this kind of memory doesn't use much power, why is the new Treo only going to have 32MB? RE: Very Nice!
@InsGuy: I've had sveeral PPC's in my hands. Asus A620BT, Dell X30 and several HO and Compaq ones. They all did crash all the time. Somehow if one app crashs it would take the whole device with it, meaning a reset. The PPC interface is just horrible, if you need todo superficial things then you can access them rightaway but if you need to access something in the config or a 3th party app then you are a long way from home. ActiveSync is just horrible and very limited in what it can do. There are no real free usefull addons for activesync. Hotsync is much better and does have a whole range of free conduits. No thanks that is one ally I wont go down again. I'd rather stick to my old and trusty Palm. RE: Very Nice!
DeNiro, if those units crashed all the time then you must have had some 3rd party add on that is poorly written installed on those (I am not in anyway doubting what you say, just pointing out in my experience - and supporting over 250 Pocket PCs for our wireless network at work, that if that was the norm nobody would use them. You either had some defective units or - judging from your post, sounds like maybe you like to play with freeware and whatnot, and thus maybe installed something less than stable). I have had mutliple models of PPC and Palm and I can honestly say that Pocket PC's from the past 3-4 years DO NOT crash anymore frequently that a Palm. And usually anytime it does, it's related to a 3rd party app or utility modifying the system in someway. As far as ActiveSync vs HotSync - I personally find ActiveSync to be much better. It syncs constantly why the unit is plugged in, so any new email, appointments, etc automatically go over and on my PPC so I can grab it and run to a meeting and be assured I have everything current. Also, we use Outlook at work, and the Palm users have *far more* problems with duplicate meetings, etc showing up after hotsynching, which almost never happens witht he Pocket PC (I know the PPC has the advantage here being all MS - just reporting our environment). With the Palm, I have to remember to synch it - and sometimes I don't have time to sync if a call comes in for something urgent. And no, I am not trying to sway people to the dark side - only defending a platform that gets some pretty unfair reports now and then. RE: Very Nice!
"The Tungsten T5 gunmetal colored outside body is plastic" Thanks a lot PalmOne, but no thank you!! RE: Very Nice!
Well said Newton. If someone is having that much of a problem using PPC, then they really do need to stick with a simpler device. In the end, it's really all just a matter of preference. A Palm unit is an organizer, and a PPC device is a small computer. The more features it has, the more complicated it becomes. The 'EASIER' it is to use, the less features it has. PPC will more than likely always have to be used in conjunction with a PC, that's because it's a.... small computer. I believe that with OS 6, or Cobalt as it's called, comes out, and the more features it has, users will have to go through more steps to do the same thing they're doing on their current OS5 devices now. I have an X30, but I still like my Z2 the best. Like I said earlier, I'm not trying to convert anyone to PPC, but constantly making harsh remarks about PPC just to cover up palm OS limitations is not the way to go. Instead, people need to be more vocal to PALM, and let them know units like the T5 are not what we're wanting. All good things... RE: Very Nice!
I agree. It's not fair that people keep on making harsh remarks on Pocket PCs, because PalmOne, as he just said, goes and hides behind, after all the people covering up Palm OS's limitations, they come out with a c-r-a-p-p-y device like the T5. I'm not taking Pocket PCs side or anything.. but the T5 really dissapointed alot of customers. Even though the paint peels off the Zire 72, it's the best deal out there in my oppinion atleast. Clie-SJ22>>Tungsten | E >>> Clie-NX60>>Zire 72 RE: Very Nice!JonathanChoo @ 10/6/2004 12:49:32 PM #
I reset my T3 once a day, I reset my h4150 once a day also. So both equally as bad. PPCs are improving in their stability although I would never believe anyone who says their PPC never crash in weeks or months. Hell when I first got my first PPC (toshiba e310) it crashes even when there was NO third party application installed. Its just me using the PIM (alots). Also the days of palms never crashing is over. But I like my Crash hack. Atleast I do not have to reach for the reset hole. RE: Very Nice!
I've been using Palm OS for about 5 years now, I started with a Handspring and when I dropped it and broke the screen I bought a Clie T615 (which I like a lot but is pretty outdated) and have bought for my wife a Handspring Edge (she hardly uses it) I've been saving and waiting for the right device..wi-fi is a big one for me. Camera would be nice, but really voice recorder should be a given! I'm really conflicted about this one. I was ready to shell out the cash judging from the rumors...but I don't know any more. I've been giving the Dell X30 a second look...but still can't bring myself to buy that either. I feel like Palm screwed me! I'll give it to the end of the year and see if the other rumored device is any better. I'll bet they'll want a wad of cash and my left n*t for one. reformed lurker RE: Very Nice!
@plm992: What other rumored device? I generally try to keep up on the boards, but I must've missed this. Any news would be great! All good things... RE: Very Nice!
InsGuy, this is not ppcinfocenter.com. Enough with this ppc vs palm crap. We all know the pros and cons already.
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First off, I think Palm takes way too much crap from both their own users and the pundits as a whole. That having been said, I find it pretty hard to get excited about this one.... RE: No thanksCaptain Hair @ 10/4/2004 12:07:19 AM #
Agreed. "People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are." RE: No thanks
I'm definately unimpressed. This makes me glad that I have my Clie UX-50. It's still the most innovaitve PDA out there. (I'm TYPING on it now.) I don't see anything on the horizon that will replace my 11 month old Clie which has BT, wi-fi, camera, voice recorder, great multimedia, and a keyboard to boot. My point is, even though there are a lot of reasons to hate Sony, and many Palmers hate Clies, their exit from the US market was unfortunate for us all. They seem to have taken with them innovation, and the drive to make large improvements on each new model. Sony pioneered for Palm: multimdeia (MP3 & video), hi-res and hi-res+ displays, cameras, and I've been able to mount my internal and external memory cards as drives on a computer for years. It's why I've never needed a thumb drive. Pa1m is just coming up with that now? Come back Sony! Clie fans and Pa1mOne fans alike would benefit from a competitive Palm economy. RE: No thanksbestoverall @ 10/4/2004 8:55:38 AM #
I'll pass this one too. No voice recorder and lack of USB are total let down. There is only a few very marginal improvements which are all immaterial. Going to PPC is not an option for me. Palm sure could do much better, but they seem to have drop the ball this time. RE: No thanks
I think I'll be keeping my T3. The T5 has some nice features like the better battery and new OS. But a 16Mhz improvement on the processor isn't worth it and the lack of a voice recorder is kind of dumb not to add especially for the top of the line tungsten. I also personally like the slider. As for the memory it's nice but I have a 512MB SD card so I have all the memory I need. Palm could and should have done much better. RE: No thanks
Pfft, I'd rather get a Pocket PC. Not even Palm OS cobalt, nor have belt-in Wi-Fi. You gotta be PalmOne's lap dog to go and buy this one, PalmOne is sinking, I'm gonna go over to the dark side(Pocket Pc) untill I see Palm OS cobalt, belt in Wi-Fi. Untill then, adios PalmOne, just lost another customer who was almost royal. I'll cling on to my Zire 72 till something better comes along. Clie-SJ22>>Tungsten | E >>> Clie-NX60>>Zire 73 RE: No thanks
Big disappointment if you ask me. Thank god I went and bought the Zire 72 when it came out, which I then sold (today) and got a 2nd hand Clie TH55 (which I'm in love with right now). No Cobalt? Possibly noisy screen (which was why I sold my Zire), poor battery life, QC problems, well.... I'll stay with my current pda for the moment. The next time I upgrade, it'll be a Treo. No more vanilla PDAs from PalmOne for me! RE: No thanks
Agreed. Bad day for PalmOne. I'll be holding on to my T3 for at least another year to see whether PalmOne comes up with something appropriate (POS 6.0, better formfactor and looks, built in WiFi and BT), etc. I also am not interested in buying three new cradles and cords, giving up or trying to replace my old "universal connector" gear (modem, two "power to go" batteries). I guess a year from now it will be either going to a newOS6 Tungsten or any similar "premium" device that indicates PalmOne is still serious about the innovative handhelds category or going over to the dark side. But for now, my T3 (yes I like the slider and collapsable smaller form factor better than lackluster plain "tablet in your pocket" PPC-Dell type design) with Wi-fi card (amazing, BTW!) and two power to go batteries seems a hell of a lot more functional than the ugly piece of crap that was released today. J (Palm Pilot III -> Vx -> M505 -> M515 -> T1 -> T3) RE: No thanks
I wonder if this unit will have the same super scratch inherent surface of the T|E? Either way my assessment of this devise is like the majority of the thread, this is NOT what we've been waiting for. Using the uber cheap T|E plastic case and no wi-fi is daft. They should have used the original T series pads and buttons in a T|3 form factor without slider. Thank goodness I decided to buy the TH55 before they went extinct becuase I'd be kicking myself if I hadn't after seeing the specs on the T|5! Now I'm keeping an eye on Dell.. Wonder what they've got up their sleeve? RE: No thanks
Definitely. This could compete with bottom line Dell X30 or older Zire 71 at $199 price range. Why should people buy this while they can get a Tungsten T1, T2, even T3 for much less. Palm lost me and hundreds if not thousand others like me to PPC. If this is their new midrange, well what is their new flagship model? Tungsten T10??? Anyways, price sucks for starters, unit sucks for rest of us. After all these years being loyal customers this is what we get? A Tungsten E knockoff, they must be out of their minds to put this in their product line, thinking we'll fall for it!!! Oh well! Thank got I purchased my Dell X30 with all the bells and whistles (624mHZ, BT, Wi-Fi etc.) under $300. I suggest all of you to go check Axim X30 and find a coupon code over the internet to get even better price, and enjoy the surfing and doing countless other things from your PDA. Don’t worry with all those rumors about PPCs, crashes; you can't open/close multiple programs. Total BS don’t believe it! Good luck all of you! THANX PALM ONE FOR NOTHING!!!
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Sounds like PalmOne couldn't get their Cobalt device out quick enough to beat HP so they took their T|E2 and renamed it T|5. They'll release the Cobalt Tungsten as the T|6 then, or whatever name they'll call it.
pen & paper -> m515 -> Zire72
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He may have been afraid 28,000 users would have caused mutiny if he were to suggest such an embarassment as innovation. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: I knew it!!!
He may have been afraid 28,000 users would have caused mutiny if he were to suggest such an embarassment as innovation.
Yes, as though he actually worries about what a bunch of cackling hens posing as PDA gurus/market analysts think.
No Surprise
No surprise from the official specs. People who hate the slider should like this alternative. Some may moan about the lack of WiFi, but I find Bluetooth more useful to me. I also do not like their yet another new connector. But I see where it is coming from as it wants to incorporate multi-media pin out. Maybe they should have reserved some unused pins for their previous "universal" connector. Am I the only one who would not jump on Cobalt? You would have the extra headache of programs not working, early version bugs etc. But I bet it should be an upgrade option for T5.
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>>You would have the extra headache of programs not working, early version bugs etc. Palm OS 6 (Cobolt) = PACE (ie: OS 5 so same compatiblity exactly) + new ARM native APIs (ie: 'OS 6' APIs). This my understanding. Any experts out there who know anything different? RE: No Surprise
Cobalt will run Garnet applications - if you are doing things right :) i was able to sucessfully run pocket mini golf on the cobalt hardware that was available at palmsource (big old ugly circuit board). so, dont worry about that :) most OS5 apps will run, OS4 (68k) if they dont run on OS5 wont run on OS6 :)
YOU SUCK PALMONE
no cradle, no wifi, no cobalt, no voice recorder. YOU SUCK PALMONE. I HOPE YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
OK, I was excited at first, but $399 for a plastic case is not acceptable, plus no cradle, no voice recorder like the T3 and no wifi. This would've been great at $299 and the name TE2, not T5. Gekko, I'm starting to agree with you... Oh well! RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
Gekko, Chill man! At least it will only be until November 3 before "widely available". I mean after all P1 had to bring in NASA to innovate like this. It's a flash drive, all you have to do is carry your USB cable with multi-connector around in you pocket all the time to use the drive on another computer. Wow, sounds fun to me. Maybe they'l offer a belt case for the USB cable so that I can put it next to my slide rule and become king of the geeks. This is sad. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
The PPC camp must be giggling hysterically right about now (or rather, they will be doing so come Monday morning when they read this on all of the WWW sites). What a sad, sad day for the Palm world. Has there been an uglier year for us than '04? After a string of impressive or mostly impressive handhelds & the Treo 600 in '03, 2004 has been riddden with disappointment after disappointment. If you had asked me in Nov '03 when I got my T3 what would be on the shelves in a year's time I would have said a 128mb+, dual wireless OS6 unit with all of the T3's features and then some (accelerated graphics, possibly dual SDIO etc). I'm not going to say any more on the matter other than this so-called T5 is a slap (and the final straw in many cases) for the remaining loyal Palm OS power users everywhere. If this is the best they can muster for the crucial holiday season then they deserve to painfully fade away . Oh, btw, did anyone read the new Wired mag interview with Jeff H. ? He wants to make great waves in the AI community...better first grant some brainpower to whomever at P1 decided to make it a policy to introduce a sideways upgrade roadmap. Rant: RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
Wow...I mean...what the hey is "palmOne" doing? Personally, I don't want Wifi OR Bluetooth. I'd pay to take them off, but Palm needs at least one model in this range with Wifi to satisfy those who want it. A plastic case? I had a T|E briefly (didn't work, had the infamous humming screen), and although I think the case looks nice in pictures, it looks horendously cheap in real life. No voice recorder...um...$200 PocketPCs have a voice recorder. The $250 Zire 72 has a voice recorder. No PalmOS 6? Again...huh? Rumors at the begining of the year pointed to a June or July launch. The idea of a November launch still running OS 5 is astounding. Of course, I don't know that I'd want OS 6 anyway, because I want Grafiti, and I don't know if it's possible to run it on OS 6. (Thanks for leaving me with the choice Palm!) This thing is an E|2. At $300ish it wouldn't look too bad. But trying to claim this is their high-end model? I'm with the people who think something's going horribly wrong with OS 6 and the next real Tungsten. I've been a longtime Palm fan, tried to steer I don't know how many people to Palm. I've loved their stability, great battery life, tons of freeware, logical intefaces, etc. But it has been getting harder and harder for me to take Palm seriously. Most significantly, PalmOne's hardware is HORRIBLY unreliable. I've owned multiple PDAs from 4 companies, including 5 from PalmOne. The PDAs from the other companies never had ANY problems (I broke a screen on a Handspring, but that was my fault). *ALL FIVE* PalmOne units, going all the way back to a 3xe had serious problems in less than one year. Thankfully most of them died or developed horrible problems with a few hours/days of opening them, so I could get my money back. There's no way my experiences are atypical, and odds it's some fluke are astronomical. There's no way I can recommend PalmOne units to anyway. I used to recommend HandSpring, and then Sony, but now what? IMO Wince/PocetPC is pretty awful, but odds are I'll own an Axim by the end of the year. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
OK, I'm confused. Is there a voice recorder or not? Everything I've heard up to now says no voice recorder, but if you look on the palmOne http://www.palmone.com/ca/products/handhelds/tungsten-t5/specs.html>t5 spec page it shows the voice recorder as hidden feature number 12? I'm going to take this to meen that there is a voice recorder after all? Maybe there is just no hard button now? RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
That's the Canadian version of the site. Maybe market research showed the yanks don't need VR. Maybe it only records in French? :-D Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
Palm's page (I'm getting tired of typing "palmOne", and they're the only PalmOS company left basically anyway)...um, Palm's tech page for the T5 dosen't show a voice recorder. Hidden feature 12 is the rechargeable battery. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
Opps, sorry, I didn't see that that was the Candian site. Well, let's hope it's right. I don't know, the more I think about it, *if* it has a voice recorder, and *if* Palm's done a 180 on reliability and gets this one right...then I may be interested in this. I love the 320x480 screen (but hate the slider). I love PalmOS in general (although I think WinCE probably has better media support, and better Exchange mail support). The CPU in this is excellent (since PalmOS isn't super processor intensive). The battery is big. It does at least have the OPTION for a cradle (and wi-fi for that matter), which is better than nothing. *SIGH* I don't know. For some reason the lack of a voice recorder just REALLY made me think Palm had lost their mind. If it's there...we'll see. I really do like Palm OS :( Just didn't think I'd have to lower my expectations like this. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
Sorry about all these posts. Can't edit them :( Anyway, the Canadian site lists a voice recorder, the US site absolutly dosen't, even in their PDF. Brighthand specifically says it dosen't have one. Time to look for Dell coupons, I guess :/ RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
I second that PalmOne You Suck ! PPC here I come - I want Wifi - PalmOne will never deliver wifi. You suck, suck, suck ! Bye Bye ! RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
I already purchased my Axim X30 624 mHZ with Wi-Fi + Bluetooth. I am absolutely loving it. Price was awsome, craftsmanship is great, operates like a charm. I think we all should give achance to PPC after what Palm did to us. Maybe Palm is not capable of manufacturing something beyond Tungsten T3. Too bad Sony left because they were pushing Palm to innovate. Oh well, I still live my mighty Tungsten T, and enjoying everything I need on my new Dell. Good luck to you all! THANX!
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The Canadian site doesn't list a voice recorder as of 9:00 AM EST on October 4. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
My <$250 Axim X30 is way better than this brtute. Bring out the nails, Palm is dead.. RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
and its that same plastic case that TE users watch as it gets all covered in fingerprints, then gets gradually scuffed down to grey ugly plastic after "use" like putting it in your pocket. plastic case, on a premium handheld. hahahahah RE: YOU SUCK PALMONE
A PLASTIC case is not bad IF it is high quality plastic like Nokia and PPCs use. BUT that CHEAP CRAPPY T/E PAINT PEELING GARBAGE CHEAP LIGHT SHIIT that the T/E uses is UNACCEPTABLE for $400. Yadda yadda...
The PPC camp must be giggling hysterically right about now And who really cares? You actually worry about what someone thinks of you based on your choice of PDA? My PDA can beat up your PDA? How grade school. This forum has had the school yard bully mentality about PDAs for a few years now, and I just don't get it. I buy what I like and don't worry about what anybody thinks. How can one be threatened by another's preference of hardware? It's all about the ratings, I guess.
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I've had a Dell X30 for a few months, and have loved it. I still like my Z2 better, because I like the palm OS better. HOWEVER, this may be the thing that pushes alot of loyal palm power users to the PPC camp. A great many pda users buy what works for them, and works well in their lifestyle and is easily incorporated into their workflow. PPC, especially in the last few years, has really made some significant gains in marketshare because of this fact. Some people who 'buy Palm because I've always bought Palm', may now decide the brand loyalty thing is going on too long, and change now to units by HP and Dell. A couple of posters above said it best. If this is the best palm can do, then they deserve to fade away. Sad.... RE: YOU SUCK PALMONEStrider_mt2k @ 10/7/2004 5:39:59 PM #
It's better to burn out than it is to rust.
It's better to burn out than to fade away.
Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
Friends and neighbors, I have just fired up the gas grill to cook my crow. Augghta be really good if I can get the feathers out. :-( "Aint gonna happen" ... yes it is. Yes, this "T5" offers some nice functional improvements, but what a collossal slap in the face after months of anticipation as well the availability of Palm OS Cobalt. My T3 is not in any danger of appearing on eBAY soon. This is the biggest disappointment in my affiliation with Palm handhelds. I really really was excited about the T3 successor. I can only surmise that P1 has given up on handhelds for smartfones as others have suggested. My only hope for advancement is that P1 has something actually special awaiting with OS6. Uggggggggggggh. I'm just sitting here waiting on Brutas now. RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?Foo Fighter @ 10/4/2004 2:21:54 AM #
Don't feel bad, I'm still coughing up my feathers. ------------------------------- Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
Foo, At least your 1:2. You were right on that cheesy thing over at 1SRC. Then again, that device is starting to look better and better. Ooops ... gotta get back 2 the grill.
RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?pufftissue @ 10/4/2004 4:52:40 AM #
The T5 = 6 possibilities: 1. Palm thinks palm os users are all 100% simpletons. While the T5 will make do for your average user, clearly there are power users out there, and they do contribute a lot to their profits because we buy the most expensive units. Treo 650 is more Exiting...
"The Treo 650 is more exciting to me than the T5." I second this. I think Treo 650 with Bluetooth is way more innovative and useful to me. I am waiting for the Treo 700 with Wi-Fi + BT + IR + Quad Band GSM. This would be a great product against the new HP Phone/PDA/Brick Let's cross our fingers..... THANX RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
>>Let's cross our fingers..... With palmOne my fingers are sore from doing this. RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
I still don't understand why people keep asking for Wi-Fi in a phone. It's the one most useless feature I can think of. BT is nice because of the BT accessories for phone. If I need internet, I have the GPRS (or edge or whatever network you use), and that's available virtually anywhere the network is available. If I want a fast connection with Wi-Fi, it means I usually in the office, which then means I have my powerbook with me. RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
If I want a fast connection with Wi-Fi, it means I usually in the office, which then means I have my powerbook with me. That's because you don't live in a city with free wifi hotspots galore. For you, yeah, wifi doesn't make sense. But there are plenty of us with free wifi up for grabs. RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
> That's because you don't live in a city with free wifi hotspots galore. I live in NYC with is filled with free WiFi hotspots. However, WiFi holds no appeal because it stops working when I leave the hotspot. With a Bluetooth phone, the connection is persistent, and the hand-offs are "soft". I can sit in an Amtrak train going 110mph from Philadelphia to NYC, and hold a steady connection with no drops. It works in cars, it works in offices, it works anywhere my phone works. That is true mobility. WiFi is not for the mobile professional. It free you up from having to sit in the same place, but you're still confined to the boundaries of the hotspot. EDGE and EVDO are ultimately the answer for the true mobile professional. WiFi-enabled handhelds do have their place, and if you spend your time at airports and Starbucks all the time, or if you're going to school and enjoy the luxury of a wireless campus, then maybe you're one of the many well served by it. I travel 200 miles a day, carry a Blackberry, a BT phone and a T3, and have not given WiFi any thought to meet my mobile needs. However, I am enjoying lying on my couch using WiFi on my laptop. RE: Want Crow with that Slap in the Face?
I live in NYC with is filled with free WiFi hotspots.
WiFi is not for the mobile professional. It free you up from having to sit in the same place, but you're still confined to the boundaries of the hotspot. The point isn't being tied to a wifi hotspot. It's that when you ARE in a hotspot, you can browse the net at regular speeds. Of course you have to leave the wifi whenever you get to wherever it is you're going, but if I was in a hotspot, I don't care if I had BT on my phone, I would be using the wifi. It's insane to think that where I could be browsing at fast speeds I would use the slow GPRS. So you need both in today's world. Wifi for when you have it. And the painfully slow GPRS for everywhere else. EDGE and EVDO are ultimately the answer for the true mobile professional. Edge and EVDO aren't even an affordable option right now. I don't get why people think it's wifi or nothing. Wifi is the nice boost when you get it. And you suffer with the pathetic GPRS connections for everything else. In five years or so things will be different (hopefully with EDGE all over the place), but for now, it's double wireless to be truly mobile in any sort of comfort.
T5 Battery Rating Q
Ryan, are you sure about the battery power rating. It's not listed anywhere on palm's site. As a matter of fact there is no mention of battery life anywhere, not even the pdf spec sheet. This worries me. RE: T5 Battery Rating Q
Ryan, You probably don't want to comment, but you surely had to be giggling about all the hype @ PIC over this Yawner, huh? Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: T5 Battery Rating Q
Did they mention anything about battery life. Is it quoted in minutes, hours, days(unlikely)? RE: T5 Battery Rating Q
I wasn't aware of the official T5 specs until late last week, so as always, it was entertaining following the discussions about the T5, come to think of it we first heard rumors about this handheld all the way back in January, we just thought it would be called the TE 2... http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6413 no mention of battery time or hours, I'm not supposed to get my review unit until sometime this week. -Ryan RE: T5 Battery Rating Q
I wonder if PalmOne really had this slated for the TE2, but Cobalt has been > difficult than expected and at some point they changed gameplans to get a T3 replacement to market b4 Saint Nick comes? No voice recorder is a shocker? Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Mr. Mace, could you please indulge us....
.....could you give us the "official" corporate explanation as to why WiFi was not integrated into this new T5 model? Even using the WiFi SD card, it will cost another $129.00 That brings the total to $528.00 not including other necessary accessories! _________________________ Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am! RE: Mr. Mace, could you please indulge us....
....and could you also give the "official" corporate explanation as to why the voice recorder was not included in the T5? That is such a basic feature, I can't understand why it was left out. _________________________ Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am! RE: Mr. Mace, could you please indulge us....
Michael Mace works for PalmSource, the operating system company, not palmOne. RE: Mr. Mace, could you please indulge us....
....sorry, my error. Instead, could Mr. Hawkins please indulge my two questions above? _________________________ Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am! RE: Mr. Mace, could you please indulge us....
Mace @ PSRC. Probably should ask him. P1 folks may be in hiding for a year or so. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: Mr. Mace, could you please indulge us....JonathanChoo @ 10/7/2004 4:33:12 AM #
Jeff is the CTO. You should be asking a marketing person these questions.
Generic PDA > 5mx > Vx > m505 > N770C > T625C > NR70V > e310 > m550 > h2210 > T/T3 & h4150 StarTac > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630 > K700i
Adios Palm
Well the coffin is sealed for Palm personally. I really was hoping for a winner here as Palm's OS does have something special about it, but function precedes form and I have to have wifi for work, so adios Palm and hello Dark Side (aka Dell X50) :( No hard feelings, eh. RE: Adios Palm
Superdork ... don't do it! Patience is a virtue and boy how PalmOne has increased our virtue. Just wait a little and your WiFi device will be here. I promise that you'll have it by 2009! RE: Adios Palm
It's adios from me too. I'll be qiewing up for an X50 too. So much more bang for your buck. PalmOne just about gave us a fart for our buck with the T5. I waited for years for this model - all because I thought PalmOne wanted to fight off PPC. RE: Adios Palm
My Loox 720 is in New York City, and will be delivered to me possibly later today, or more likely, tomorrow. Been a real fun ride since '97 Palm, but you're out of gas. RE: Adios Palmollieollie82 @ 10/4/2004 10:07:00 AM #
using palm since m500, and I'm switching too... this is a joke. Just sold my t3 in hopes of a better device, but its time to move on. Integrated Wifi is just too important these days. See you Palm, I feel stupid for ever sticking up for you. RE: Adios Palm
Woo hoo! here we go again. People claiming Palm is dead! Hmm didn't I hear this comment, like, 2 years ago (or in fact, any device that Palm released)... but how come the company is still there, alive and stock doing better?... *gasp* is it possible that people (who actually buy devices instead of whining about them and not ever buy one) actually like it? RE: Adios Palm
Two years ago Palm market share was close to 80%. Now it's less than that of Pocket PC and has been continuously sliding. RE: Adios Palm
Exactly. This almost makes you think that P1 wants to concentrate on smartphones, etc..., not pdas. Palm's marketshare is sliding fast because of a lack of innovation, NOT giving features users / customers demand, and charging way to much for cheaply constructed devices.
Bye!
Very little new
What they're essentially selling is a T3 without a slider, more memory, and an (admittedly neat) USB drive emulator. Not enough change here to even consider letting go of my T3. Cobalt might have made it slightly more attractive... but probably still not enough to get my business. Here's to hoping the Treo 650 will be more interesting. RE: Very little new
I really hope they are making mucho denero (<-- hope I spelled that one correct) on the smart phone line, because this one is probably going to tank. People will see it, then look over at the T3 or TE and laugh out loud. You know I would be wrong. This thing may sell like hot cakes to suckers. :P RE: Very little new
The best feature of the T5 is that it prompted a $50 price reduction on the T3 (which is only really valuable if they fixed the digitizer drift problem and ther other problems of the T3). Ken Atari Portfolio > HP100lx > HP200lx > Palm IIIc > Palm 515 > Palm T|T3 > back to something that works like it should RE: Very little new
The best feature of the T5 is that it prompted a $50 price reduction on the T3 (which is only really valuable if they fixed the digitizer drift problem and ther other problems of the T3). Ken Atari Portfolio > HP100lx > HP200lx > Palm IIIc > Palm 515 > Palm T|T3 > back to something that works like it should RE: Very little new
The best feature of the T5 is that it prompted a $50 price reduction on the T3 (which is only really valuable if they fixed the digitizer drift problem and ther other problems of the T3). Ken Atari Portfolio > HP100lx > HP200lx > Palm IIIc > Palm 515 > Palm T|T3 > back to something that works like it should RE: Very little new
The best feature of the T5 is that it prompted a $50 price reduction on the T3 (which is only really valuable if they fixed the digitizer drift problem and ther other problems of the T3). Ken Atari Portfolio > HP100lx > HP200lx > Palm IIIc > Palm 515 > Palm T|T3 > back to something that works like it should RE: Very little new
The best feature of the T5 is that it prompted a $50 price reduction on the T3 (which is only really valuable if they fixed the digitizer drift problem and ther other problems of the T3).
Ken Atari Portfolio > HP100lx > HP200lx > Palm IIIc > Palm 515 > Palm T|T3 > back to something that works like it should
Flash Drive
Oh ya, and thanks insulting my intelligence by trying to sell me a $400 dollar flash drive!! :P There is SOME new power here
The T5 has the latest xscale processor, as compared to the old xscale on the T3. Because of that, even though it is only clocked 4% faster, the T5 might be a noticably better performer. The T5's new processor has power management modes which along with the 45% larger capacity battery and lower power flash ram should result in significantly better battery life RE: Flash Drive
Superdork, A friend of mine just bought a 128mb USB flash drive the other day for about $25 I thought. It is tiny and goes on a keychain. PalmOne convieniently forgot to inform us that in order to use this earth-shaking 120mb flash drive breakthrough, that one must carry their proprietary sync cable around with them in order to do so. Pretty "Zenny" their PalmOne. Jchoo, The T3 makes me wait
I often have to wait 3 or 4 seconds when switching applications on the T3, which is not what I call fast. On my desktop computer, I never wait for anything (dual Xeon, striped drives, ...). The T3 would be a much more pleasant system to use if P1 had chosen the top of the line 624 MHz processor. RE: Flash Drive
Jshoo, What on earth are you running on your T3, MS Server 2004? I have some delays when an app touches SD, but normally even a the Bible with 5 translations, 2 commentaries and more takes less than 1 second from Docs2Go etc. Now, if the app has to access the card it's another story, but not a processor story. RE: Flash Drive
"A friend of mine just bought a 128mb USB flash drive the other day for about $25 I thought. It is tiny and goes on a keychain." Now if PalmOne had only added USB host support, and a Mass storage device driver, you could use that cheap flash drive on your PDA, instead, we have functionality which is already available on current PalmOS devices via 3rd party software. Upselling, under-providing... RE: Flash Drivea_nonamiss @ 10/4/2004 8:50:10 AM #
---BEGIN QUOTE--- I often have to wait 3 or 4 seconds when switching applications on the T3, which is not what I call fast. On my desktop computer, I never wait for anything (dual Xeon, striped drives, ...). The T3 would be a much more pleasant system to use if P1 had chosen the top of the line 624 MHz processor. ---END QUOTE--- I'd say with about 95% certainty that it's your SD card. I noticed the same thing on my T3 when I was using a Sandisk SD card. I think when you switch back to the launcher, the OS scans the card for applications. When I "Upgraded" to a Lexar card, that 3-5 second delay went down to < 1 second. (I'm not exaggerating.)
Palm Pilot 1000 > Palm Pilot Professional > Palm III > Palm M100 > Sony Clié PEG-T415 > Palm T|T3 YAHM was the problem
Thanks for your tips about slow T3 It turns out the problem was a freeware OS5 hack master, YAHM, and a hack for small fonts. No only was it slowing things down but it was causing the system noise to repeat multiple times. That to me is one of the most serious problems in the Palm, and one that P1 could fix very cheaply: the lack of small fonts. Sure, third party apps have small fonts built in, but a lot of those apps use "notes" which use only the system's built-in fonts. Few things make tiny screens more usable than small fonts, yet Palm does not provide. RE: Flash Drive
Sony provided them. Who knows why p1 doesn't? Sure, they're not all readable, but they're sure handy when you want to see an *entire* paragraph at once to highlight and copy/cut/paste.
Now What???
This would be a downgrade from my TH-55... With Sony out and Palm not innovating..... Is it time to turn to the dark side??? RE: Now What???
I'm afraid your sentements will occur more times than we can imagine. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: Now What???Strider_mt2k @ 10/4/2004 6:21:19 AM #
Yeeessss!
Lash out with your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Multi-connector
"The Tungsten T5 is the first new model from palmOne to feature the Multi-connector, a new common connector for palmOne products. Going forward this will be the new standard palmOne connector." Yeah? For how many months? Some of us still remember this line when it was used in reference to the "Palm Universal Connector." RE: Multi-connector
In May 2001, on the release of the m505, Palm stated that they would use the Universal Connector for at least two years on all its models. RE: Multi-connector
UC was announced in May '01. Zire was announced/launched in Oct '02. So that's barely over a year that "all new Palms" came with the UC before they dropped the ball on their "almost-a-standard" connector. He11, P1 cannot even standardize on the placement for their AC & mini USB plugs on the new models (some are on the side, some are on the top, some are on the bottom). If they'd at least agree on THAT, they could sell a cradle to all of the existing Zire owners out there clamoring for one! RE: Multi-connector
Not to mention the fact that compatibility was broken between the m5xx universal connectors and the Tungsten universal connectors because of changes they made to the TT. RE: Multi-connector
Ooh, that's right. I nearly forgot about the "Rev 1" UC and the OS5 "Rev 2" UC. In fact, some peripherals I used without a hitch on my T|T & T|T2 were kinda loose on my T3 (Namely, my Supplynet cable). Does anyone know if serial communication has been preserved in the new MC/Athena? Losing RS232 connectivity will be another blow to the long-time Palm users who rely on batcode scanners for industrial/warehousing/inventory applications as well as those in the healthcare fields or in corporations were NT/Win 95 are still widely deployed. Looks like my fears last year WERE right that the T3 was the last "real" Palm ever! So close to being perfect it was!!!! Since we stopped seeing that little blue Jewel logo it's been nothing but misery!! RE: Multi-connector
I'm sure you could do a virtual serial port via bluetooth, but whether it remains in the cable is to be seen RE: Multi-connector
I am still struggling with the decision to go for this multi-connector. In my opinion a simple power cable and a miniUSB plug would have been a much easier setup. Now we have this (again) proprietary cable that you have to carry around with you if you want to use the new feature of the T5. Double disappointment. Not only the T5 is not fully wireless (no WiFi that is) but it is actually more "wired" than it really should be.
Actually T5 is good for me
I have a T/E. I didn't buy a T3 because of poor battery life and I didn't like the slider. However, I want a powerful PDA (T/E was the first PDA that I bought that wasn't top of the line). So the T5 is good (not great) for me. I plan to upgrade in November. I hope the battery life is greatly improved, and I am looking forward to the larger non-slider screen and big memory. Nice touch that the T5 can be used as a flash drive also. I also don't mind the current OS as I wasn't looking forward to all my apps breaking. I can understand the disappointment of those with the T3. What I don't like is-- RE: Actually T5 is good for me
Count me in for one too. I bought a Tungsten T the day it was released and haven't regretted it yet. This will be a nice upgrade for my 2 year old PDA. And yes, I'll pay the extra for the wifi card, so I can have the PDA I've been waiting for. I think there are a lot of others out there like me that will buy a lot of these. RE: Actually T5 is good for me
Cheetah & Rebel, I agree with you both that the T5E2 is attractive in your cases. Although, P1 will get very little T3 or darkside upgrades. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: Actually T5 is good for me
the only way that palmone can influence our interests is the battery life. I think anyway that if the T5 had a major battery life then the public would consider this a proper upgrade.
Great PDA if you don't have a recent onegodschoice @ 10/4/2004 12:44:57 AM #
The T5 will be a great device for those who have a non-wireless, non-Palm OS 5.0 device or non-color device. If you have a T3 or similar device you will be hard pressed to find a reason to go out and grab it. I love Bluetooth and use it daily. I would love to be able to use WIFI when the opportunity presents itself (WIFI is faster than Bluetooth in many cases). I am glad to see a full 320x480 color screen without the slide. I (being a T3 owner) will have to wait until the Cobalt and dual wireless device is released.
Carl Brooks Type to you later,
Business VS Consumer.
As a consumer machine, this fails to excite me. No WiFi, No Camera, no voice recorder, square dpad... For a business machine though, this should be great. Lots of internal space to store big corporate databases, decent battery, big easy to see screen, bluetooth for wireless printing and of course, the failsafe memory. I've had clients lose an entire days worth of data entry from accidently letting the batteries die on their palms, so the flash memory alone is worth the price in my books. As for everybody moaning about what's missing? This model wasn't aimed at the I-want-everything-and-the-kitchen-sink crowd. It was aimed at the IT department manager who wants to deploy a unit that is easy to support and offers a good way of capturing data. Looks like a pretty good fit to me. RE: Business VS Consumer.
Not at $400, way to much money for the features this thing offers. Get a TE and a USB drive and save yourself a couple of hundred bucks. RE: Business VS Consumer.
With coupons/careful shopping, I am sure a T3 can be had for ~$300-$325 online shipped. Add $20-$25 for a 256mb SD card and about the same for a cheap 256mb keychain USB drive and you have much, much more versatility and storage space than you would on the T5. You still get your metal housing, UC & a cradle, voice recorder and the slider (like it or not). There's simply no comparison between the above rig and a T5. Were the T5 called a T|E2 and priced at $300, it'd be a pretty decent unit. I could even live with the short-term fact that the T|E2 would be in a few areas "better" than the T3 and T|C. However, I simply cannot forgive P1 for having the audacity and arrogance to call this a T|Tx and to price it so high and include so little in the box. If you think it's overpriced now, just wait until spring '05 before the first official price drop. 1gb SD card will be super-cheap by then and the T5 will look even more foolish. This thing should simply be $300 at most now and be at $250 by the time the OS6 units come next spring. RE: Business VS Consumer.
Guys, your missing the point. It isn't the built in flash drive that will impress my clients, it is the fact that even if the batteries die, all the information on the Palm is still there. Too many of them have been caught with a dead battery and lost hours worth of data entry. No other handheld (except the now gone Sony UX-50) keeps your data alive if the batteries die. RE: Business VS Consumer.PalmAddict @ 10/4/2004 10:11:05 AM #
Uh, no. This is the point that everyone has missed. The "protected" memory that PalmOne is referring to is the 160 MB imbedded SD card, NOT the 55 MB of "application" memory, which is still standard RAM. It's all spin doctoring. This is nothing more than a 64 MB device with a built in SD card. You can't even access the 64 MB from the USB connector. You still need to sync to put files in the "application" memory. RE: Business VS Consumer.
From the (Canadian) Product Datasheet: "The handheld that doesn't forget. Thanks to flash memory, the information on your handheld is saved even if the power runs down. So your data is safe even when you're on the go and you don't have time to recharge or sychronize". PalmAddict; It's hard to say if this is just spin or not. I really hope they aren't just talking about the 160 meg flash drive. Guess we will have to wait for the reviews to find out for sure. RE: Business VS Consumer.
This is not really a 'first' as the new HP VGA model PPC does the same thing with it's memory architecture. If anything, HP's beaten P1 to the punch since they are shipping right now.
movin on
No Wifi, old OS. Nope I think it's time to move on. I have been with Palm since the first Palm Pilot came out (turned in the Sharp ZR-5000)and never looked back. But this is so much money for so few features. I currently have a Tungsten C and it's been good to me, but I want the larger screen. However, the Wifi on the C is great, sit on the couch and read the news. For $400 I would expect wifi, bluetooth, and the new OS. The Dell X30 at $297 keeps trying to lure me away and maybe it's time. I would say that over half of the users I support are now using Pocket PC devices. Microsoft always wins in the end, but maybe there is always a reason. Is the Palm really behind the PPCs?
I just hopped on over to Dell's web site and found that their currently shipping handheld has only half the resolution of the T3 & T5. Dell also charges extra for the cradle, like the T5. The VGA iPAQs are just starting to get in people's hands. Sometimes I wonder if PalmOne is being held to an impossible standard, to beat not a single real live, shipping machine, but to beat an imaginary composite PPC which has the best features of every power PC which has ever shipped or been rumored to. RE: movin on
"imaginary composite PPC"? Check out the Fujitsu Siemens Loox 720; VGA-screen, Wifi, bluetooth, 1.3mpx camera, dual slots (GRPS CF-Card..), better cpu, better battery, etc, and its almost the same price as the Tungsten T5... I want the PPC hardware but the Palm OS :-( RE: movin on
"I just hopped on over to Dell's web site and found that their currently shipping handheld has only half the resolution of the T3 & T5. Dell also charges extra for the cradle, like the T5." Actually the cradle comes standard with the high-end Axim, which starts at $260 with its 624 MHz processor, dual wireless, and removable battery. That's four features that the $400 T5 lacks. You named one feature that the $260 X30 lacks, and try to claim that they're even. RE: movin on
On Dell's web site just now I had to chose the $349 model to get the cradle included for no extra charge. Went in as small business. RE: movin on
The Fujitsu is not available in the US, so it doesn't do me any good.
"Unfortunately, there's bad news for U.S. consumers: the Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 and the Toshiba e830 won't be released in this country. Both of these are on sale in Europe now, though."
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I love the new battery (1300mah) , form factor proven from Tungsten E. This looks like a possible winner from palmone.