Comments on: palmOne Acquires Rights to Palm Brand & Name

I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year.

Result: BeOS FINALLY arrives on Macs as MacOS 11. Yeah. Riiiight.

TwinTurbo @ 5/24/2005 2:28:58 PM

Why would Apple buy PalmSource when they could just hire the handful of engineers that are responsible for writing the OS code. Based on the lack of new developments in this area, I'm guessing there are not many of these folks left. Other than that, the rest of the company is basically worthless. They are not even going to own the Palm brand name anymore.

Did you mean to say engineers (plural)? I think PalmSource is down to one part time engineer maintaining the OS these days. He works one day a week and suppliments his salary by cleaning the PalmSource offices and washing Pépé Gassée's cars...

ChiA @ 5/24/2005 3:04:22 PM

>>> I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. <<<

Yea and Bin Laden will become President of the US at the same time!

Who do you think is President now?

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Say hello to my little friend...

This would really be the main reason for Apple being interested. From what I am hearing, Cobalt development is being skewed greatly toward cell phone integration. For a firm like Apple, the path towards an iPod-type integrated device would be easiest by buying the technology - that is, if Cobalt really is anything of value, which remains to be seen.

"what you are saying is you WISH Apple would buy Palmsource..."

No, I am not an Apple fanboy. Anything they do ends up being proprietary and overpriced, but that is just my opinion.

Now where on Earth is that WinMob Treo?

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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Say hello to my little friend...

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™

All Heed! The Vat of Refuse Speaks! The Earth Trembles!

No seriously, since you are a renowned 'medical professional', of course I must always show proper respect for your opinions.

BTW, how did you get the computer set up in your janitor's closet? Shouldn't you be out pushing a broom or something? Or is that you are getting high sniffing the floor wax again? Remember - Just say NO!

Another one of my conspiracy theories: All the rumours on that device probably came from p1. Picture this - they spread disinformation about it as a negotiating ploy - ie, if they have a veiled threat to jump to another platform, that makes it easier to squeeze PalmSource on the licensing renegotiations. If that's right, now that the license has been settled, we probably won't hear any more about that kind of device. (This is kind of what HP did a few years ago when it was negotiating with M$.) This is all just speculation on my part, of course.

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

VD,

Would you please reveal to us who it is who funds your trolling at this site? I'm won't be so forward as to ask what the rate per po$t you receive is. Just the backer please.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

It's time to give MY quote a walk again...

To ANYONE at PALM with a BRAIN:

Starting epidemics requires concentrating resources on a few key areas. Connectors, Mavens, and Salesmen are responsible for starting word-of-mouth epidemics, which means. . .your resources ought to be solely concentrated on those three groups. No one else matters. -- Malcolm Gladwell [DoCoMo - Japan's Wireless Tsunami: How One Mobile Telecom Created a New Market and Became a Global Force by John Beck & Mitchell Wade; pg. 34]

DELIGHT THE POWER USERS, ED COLLIGAN!!

32K Memos, 1K Clipboard -- **UNACCEPTABLE**!
Graffiti 2 -- **UNACCEPTABLE**
Decuma Alphabetic NOT working on recent units -- **UNACCEPTABLE**
NO Command Slash icon in the PalmBar -- **UNACCEPTABLE**
No Goto Top/Bottom in Memos -- **UNACCEPTABLE**

Am I getting ANYWHERE within the proximity of your HEAD, Ed Colligan?!!?

1. Who's the target market for $500 LifeDrives? Novices?
2. Do you understand the concept of "profit margin"? Do you understand the differential of profit margin in a $99 device vs. a $500 device?

now stop being silly.

I'd rather sell 25 $499 units and make $125 profit per unit than 100 $99 units at $25 per unit. You do the maths. Units sold aren't the only factor in the equation.

If the power user didn't matter then the PalmPilot Professional would still be in production today. It is the power user who wants to do more with his device who drives (or in PalmOne's case should drive) handheld development forward. New capabilities from a handheld will attract new customers and hopefully increase both the company's market share and profit.

Apple lost heap of sales and market share in the early 90s because it made too many low-end Macs nobody wanted and at the same time couldn't make enough high end Macs which the power users wanted.

Where on earth did you dig up that tired old statistic from 1997? Even Mike Mace doesn't drag that old sack of pototoes around any longer. The last statisitic I heard, from Mace no less, was somewhere around 60% of Palm users DO DOWNLOAD third party software.

Please join the rest of here in the year 2005, Ben S.

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FAILix?

Cobalt? Valuable intellectual property? Nearly two years on and not even the loyal PalmOne want to buy a licence to use it in their products, nevermind own it!

http://www.businessweek.com/1995/51/b345595.htm

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050525/psrc8-k.html

"The minimum annual royalty commitments for the contract years ending December 3, 2005 and 2006 remain unchanged from the Prior Agreement at $41.0 million and $42.5 million, respectively. The minimum annual royalty commitments under the extended term of the SARSLA for the contract years ending December 3, 2007, 2008 and 2009 are $35 million, $20 million and $10 million, respectively, subject to the Company meeting certain development milestones."

Bend over PalmSource shareholders... Palm's ready to **** you.

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™

The Day of Reckoning is near, My Son. There will soon be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

http://biz.yahoo.com/cc/2/56792.html

Bold prediction: PalmSource stock price drops by over 25% before end of Summer, 2005. This will happen or my name's not [edited].


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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/PalmHistory.htm

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™

I like the way you put it!

HA HA HA!

After owning Palm devices for years I have now moved to Pocket PC because the software is now much better and I can choose from whom I buy the hardware. I will never again touch anything made by PalmOne after the debacle that was the last device I purchased from them.

- Linux Operating System
- Combined Wifi AND Bluetooth 1.2
- 800 x 480 65,000 touchscreen (yes 800 x 480!)
- 64Mb RAM PLUS 128Mb Flash RAM (64Mb for user)
- slot for RS-MMC Card
- Pdf viewer
- Web Browser
- Supported File Formats
Audio: MP3, Real Audio, MPEG4, AAC, WAV, AMR, MP2
Image: JPEG, GIF, BMP, TIFF, PNG, Animated GIF format, SVG-tiny, ICO
Video: MPEG1, MPEG4, Real Video, H.263, AVI, 3GP
- Size 5.56" x 3.11" x 0.75", weight 230g (OK bigger & heavier than LifeDrive)

but ALL FOR $350!

Mercifully for PalmOne it doesn't appear to have any PIM capability.


"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight – it’s the size of the fight in the dog"
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

Let's try that Nokia link again now it's been through tinyurl!

http://tinyurl.com/bpypq

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight – it’s the size of the fight in the dog"
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

http://www.thekompany.com/home/

They've already ported to that Archos Media Player/PDA!

Applications (in 2005 software edition)

* Web Browser
* Flash Player version 6
* Email Client
* Internet Radio
* News Reader
* Media players, Image viewer
* PDF viewer
* File Manager
* Search
* Calculator
* World Clock
* Notes
* Sketch
* Games

Now, the address book in the email client can do your contacts just fine (and be integrated into your email client) if it is done well, and it has calander and notes, just not a "todo list".

_________________
Sean

There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.

-- check out the screenshots.

Just as the LifeDrive says IT has bluetooth and can comm with a bluetooth-enabled phone.

That is - vaporware until the software comes along to do so.

Hey!

Which will get it first!? PalmOS LifeDrive or Linux 770!?

Waiting with bated breath...

MikeCon - that means you may have to suck it up an apply for a credit card.

Of course before we spend the money we rely on reviews. Again, people on this and other Palm websites have discounted the influence of power users, but they are the ones who write the reviews, and people trust a negative review more than a positive review (because so-one would pay for a negative review on an enthusiast web site).

Palm needs to delight their power users, and paying Kirvin wont do the trick.

Surur

Huh? I wasn't even in this thread! Where did this attack come from?

Attack? No. People think you're paid by Palm to cheerlead for them because of the bizarre posts you make. You pretend to be oblivious to ALL problems with Palm and repeatedly make weak attempts to rationalize things the company has screwed up on. And when you're shown to be wrong, you simply lie. Basically, you have ZERO credibility as a balanced commentetor, Kirvin.

If you aren't paid for shilling then you must be one of the blindest, dullest Palm zealots on the Net. Or else you're sucking up to Palm, hoping they may eventually hire you. Which is it, Kirvin?

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

the reason he's here and came back with his tail between his legs is because this site is the best. it's the most interesting to visit by far. WHY? Because it allows vigorous debate from a diverse group of opinions. the other sites just don't to the same degree. and when you stifle debate and everyone must agree or be censored, it's BORING - and even the die-hard Apologists come running back.

kirvin is selectively "optimistic". he's optimistic on only the companies/products that he *wants* to succeed. he purposely blinds himself to reality. my theory is that he is sucking up to palm for a job or some consulting work. unfortunately, the last type of person palm needs is a suck-up/hack/shill/yes-man. and no, he is no "industry expert" - despite the fact that he likes to call himself one.

Because it allows vigorous debate from a diverse group of opinions. the other sites just don't to the same degree. and when you stifle debate and everyone must agree or be censored, it's BORING - and even the die-hard Apologists come running back.

Its why I'm here.

Surur

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Assuming you listend to Jeff's podcast on the LD he said, among other things, that HIS experience was with a production unit. Not a review unit. I do not think that he called any of the early reviewers names or anything along the line of whats going on here, just that one should go and check it out before writing it off.

There are a lot of smart people who post here, which is why I come around. But its like panning for gold. It takes a lot of mucking around in the stream to get the nuggets out of the crap in the pan.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

I understand that a lot of reviewers noted they had different builds in their units

Are you sure about that. In the only thread were people actually compared builds, AdamBrown confirmed he had the same build as the production units.

Surur

Surur

That's not entirely untrue.

He has been running a blog for a number of years now. Interestingly, he jumped to the WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever camp for a number of years and wrote many thousands of words in praise of them. Then, about two years ago, he jumped back to p1 products because of continuing frustrations with what M$ was serving up (so he says).

I just saw a thread over at PPC Thoughts forum, in which all the 'usual suspects' were complaining about Kirvan's recent podcast performances. (Our friend, Monsieur Surur (aka SKA) was prominent in his criticisms.) However, looking at some of those posts, one detects a certain 'waivering in the ranks' amongst the M$ crowd. ('Sheep' might be a better noun for them). For a bunch of guys who have convinced themselves about the superiority of the devices they use, they sure do seem to show a lot of interest in the LifeDrive.

Personally, I don't understand all the fuss over this LifeDrive thing. It's just another multi-media brick with 2 too many radios.

Anyway, the PPC-sheep shouldn't be too worried. No doubt HP, Dell and others will get around to copying this LifeDrive thing in a couple of years time.

I also question the validity of his "testing". In his podcast he claims to have "kicked the heck out of this thing." I'm sorry, but launching the embedded PIM apps a few times in sequence does not qualify as "testing", more like playing around. Jeff is smarter than that. My guess is he posted a contrarian viewpoint as a form of damage control to help counter any negative publicity LifeDrive may be getting (there's that Palm zealot persona showing through again). Note his comments where he basically tells his audience not to listen to the reviewers...go see a LifeDrive for yourself. Normally I wouldn't be bothered by statements like this, in fact I agree with him. But used in the context of his earlier remarks about flawed reviews, he once again seems to imply that we reviewers are WRONG and not to be trusted.

This isn't the first time Jeff has tried to cast a dark shadow over other web sites or enthusiast figures. In one of his earlier podcasts (number 11 I think) he slanders PIC and calls Ryan's site "less credible" while saying that the site he is associated with (1src) is a "fine web site". Exactly who is he to dispense judgment on what or whom is considered credible?

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http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40384

http://www.pdabuzz.com/Home/tabid/54/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/536/ItsaHardLifeDriveLifeDriveReviewDayTwo.aspx

You be the judge.

I'm posting this in the interests of balance only - not to defend the LifeDrive (which is merely a stupid tech-toy).

(Ryan, sorry about the format - had trouble with TinyURL.)

For someone who disses Jeff Kirvin every chance you get, I find it quite funny that you quoted his Web site within almost minutes of his posting you are at PIC yapping about it. Perhaps you have his site bookmarked?

While I disagree with Jeff about tactics, I do agree with his goal. Where I come from we shoot rabid dogs, and PIC has far more than its share of foaming at the mouth animals.

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

Horse dung! It's happened to me several times on my review unit! Hell, just turning off the damn device can take up to two-three seconds. This coming from someone who doesn't even HAVE a bloody LifeDrive to test? And has based his so-called "expert" opinion on a laughable 45-minute "fondle" at a retail PDA counter. What a joke!

Oh wait, I keep forgetting...David Pogue and the rest of us in the review community are supposed have been handed pre-production units filled with rocks and dirt. Sorry Jeff, that dog won't hunt. Both Pogue and I are running PRODUCTION units, confirmed by palmOne no less. So save that BS argument for another apologist entry, which I'm sure you will. As if you would know more about this subject than the tech editor of the New York Times??? What an ego.

I can set the record straight here and now regarding latency. It DOES exist, and often. The only question is..how bad is it? In my experience it's a non issue. In most application environments, latency is expressed in a manageable 1-2 seconds, and almost instant thereafter once the app(s) is cached. But in a large number of apps, particular the larger variety like AvantGo, the aforementioned lag can exceed 6 seconds mentioned by Pogue. In my tests AvantGo sometimes took an astonishing 12 seconds to load. Not all the time, but it did happen. As I mentioned in part one of my review, this is simply the price we have to pay for the luxury of having a 4GB HD under the hood. And any PDA using a built-in HD will suffer the same frustration, as is already the case with the SHARP Linux-powered handheld. Windows Mobile will be no different.

Grow up Jeff, even PalmOne hasn't denied lag exists when I spoke with them on this subject. They put a great deal of effort into minimizing its effect on overall user experience. But it IS there. So stop spreading bull****, and stop contradicting reviews that you frankly aren't qualified to give contention to.

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http://www.pocketfactory.com/downloads/lifedrive%20050.avi

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As I said, under basic operating environments (like just using the PIM for example) you won't encounter such lag time. But once you start loading big iron apps like AvantGo...be prepared to wait in queue.

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For comparison, I loaded Avantgo on my TT2: eight seconds to load from tapping the Avantgo icon in ZLauncher. I have five channels, only one of which is fairly large (CNET). It appears you have a whole lot more channels than I do, but I can't see how many or how large they are. How quickly does Avantgo load with the same channels in another PalmOS unit? Is the LifeDrive actually slower than older units because of the new memory system? If so, to what percentage? (I'm not necessarily asking you for all the answers, I'm just curious.)

Correct me if I am wrong in hearing you are say that to reproduce the lag time in loading Calendar and in in switching views in Calendar, you have to have loaded Avantgo or some similar app which will completely clear the cache first or have loaded enough apps in the interim to have removed the calendar app from the cache. So if Calendar (or any other app) is still in cache, there is no lag, and the user has the typical snappy performance from his Palm. (Yes, I think I'm stating the obvious, but I just want to hear it plainly, without any couching of terms.)

I find this fascinating since I "only" have 32 mb of RAM on my TT2, and it is quite full with apps and data. How small is the cache on the LD? Do I remember correctly that is is 10 mb? If so, yep, sounds like a really bad call by P1.

And if P1 is reading, you guys are whacked if you think that saving a couple of bucks on RAM is worth the kind of criticism you're getting on this one. You've got this thing priced almost as much as a laptop, fer cryin' out loud! Put some RAM in it already!

Yes. It's too bad PalmSource didn't hire this high quality individual...

No doubt Kirvin will claim you faked the videos by slowing down the tapes. Too bad you didn't record with the timer turned on for your camcorder. Then again, he would probably claim you faked that too.

Hey Palm: W T F were you thinking? 64 or 128 MB of RealRAM™ would have only added a couple bucks to the price of the LD. Why did you try to get clever and come up with the BogusRAM™ idea? Why? Why? Why?

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

Posted by Jeff Kirvin on 05/30 at 09:29

Priceless.

Thanks for proving to everyone (again) exactly how SLEAZY you are, Kirvin. Yeah - that was me "viciously attacking" you.

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

Second: Have you people nothing better to do than to cudgel Jeff? There are far better targets: Colligan, Nagel (not gone yet!), Slotkin, ad nauseum. Jeff knows that I disagree with him about G1 vs G2 and several other points, but you don't see me engaging in strafing missions against him here!

Third: For *some* people, the LD will still be a good choice. Just like the (gag!) T5 is. Wrap your heads around *that*. Even more bizarre: There are freakazoids who like **PPC**!

Foo, I'm still waiting for the completion of your *review*, yet you find time to do these videos?! The point would have been better made -- and come off as less of a vendetta -- had they been part of the review!

What "lies"? Jeff's comments are based on a FONDLE, NOT a comprehensive multi-day use of the LD! At most, you can categorize him as being "uninformed." You are crossing the line into Voice Stalker Territory....

BTW Foo - does browsing a few websites using WIFI also clear the cache (like when using Avantgo) or does it take more than that?

Surur

And damned proud to be the leader of the pack.

Back off, biotch. I'm the leader of the Rabid Pack.

[watches Cur Cane run off yelping with his mangy tail between his legs...]

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

So it's pretty clear that there's a White Screen of Lag with something as simple as the Calendar app. How will the Apologists spin out of this one?

And, really, Garnet on the T5, T650, TE2, and LD is a hallmark of stability? (Would 6.1 have had that Find bug?!!?)

I'd rather have had Cobalt 6.1 on the LD, known PS was getting license $$$ to continue its development, had a Cobalt device *out* there that other potential licensees could see in the real-life marketplace, and have inspired the devs to start spilling out Cobalt apps. Are you saying you *wouldn't* have? You *like* the continued exhumation and zombie-ing of Garnet?

Never in all the years I have followed technology have I seen a more schizophrenic development strategy than PalmSource's. Invest millions on buying software assets (BeOS), spend years developing a "next generation" software platform, and then on the eve of its deployment, you pull the rug out from under it (and developers ) by shifting to a completely different foundation. While most or all of Cobalt's technologies will essentially be rolled up into the Linux variant, you have to wonder if developers will want to stay onboard this erratic nowhere-bound train, heading off a cliff.

God help me, I almost want to see PalmOne (err, I mean Palm) buy up PalmSource and end licensing altogether. We're halfway there now. PalmOS is already essentially a single company platform anyway, save for a handful of irrelevant lesser-knowns like Garmin. Tapwave is finished of course, so scrath yet another licensee.

*sigh* Oh well, there's always Palmix to look forward to. Oh wait, that's right; it's just going to be Cobalt's upper level software running on top of a Linux core. Yawn! Wake me when the revolution starts.

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Surur

What is surprising is why Palm decided to put the 64Mb of memory on the HDD, instead of just using 64MB NVFS ROM for example. Why not just add a 4GB drive to the T5, instead of re-engineering the system to be even slower.

Surur

http://tinyurl.com/bdr23

There are even PHOTOS. Unfortunately, their photography skills are as bad as my own!

Cobalt:

http://www.palmsource.com/palmos/cobalt.html

-- what SHOULD have been on the LifeDrive, dammit!

QUOTING:

Input Methods

* Input Method framework; Licensees can also develop and integrate custom solutions other than Graffiti® 2 and standard keyboard layouts

-- that would have made it easier for Decuma to use the SIP, and for us to switch from The Abomination of Desolation (G2) to hacked G1.

Multimedia

* Extensible programming framework for creating advanced multimedia applications supports the following features:
o Audio playback of up to 16 streams, recording of a single stream
o Audio record mono/stereo, 8/16-bit, arbitrary sample rates
o Sound Manager for mixing sound sources
o Background playback
o Video playback
o APIs for access to audio/video hardware
o Available codecs include: MP3, MPEG-4, MPEG-1, AAC, H.263, AMR, Ogg

-- I don't see DiVX there, guys! bcombee?!!?

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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm Economy = Communism™
The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

Funny how there are STILL POS units being sold by P1 with the old round "Palm" logo on them and we're already getting ready to abandon P1 in favor of the old Palm....

Keep stalking, Pavlov.

;-O

Just messin' with you, Ryan