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    Comments on: palmOne Acquires Rights to Palm Brand & NamepalmOne today announced an agreement with PalmSource, Inc. for palmOne to acquire full rights to the brand name Palm. The brand had been co-owned by the two companies since the October 2003 spin-off of PalmSource from Palm, Inc.
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The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. PIC is not responsible for them in any way. login or register for free in order to post comments.  RE: Ohhhh No! The New Logo?rcartwright @ 5/24/2005 2:39:27 PM #
And you call yourself a man of God and using the symbols of the Beast. For shame!
RE: Ohhhh No! The New Logo?m130fullbutcontent @ 5/25/2005 11:12:02 AM #
Pat,
You're a very, very funny man ! :-) 
 So what will the other licensees do?
Will they refer to their devices as PalmSource-powered? Or maybe they just won't bother with the Palm OS at all. http://Tapland.com - Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion - RE: So what will the other licensees do?
Looks like they get a 3-4 year period to use it according to UK site. This makes one wonder what exactly it is Palmsource actually has planned? Obviously, the focus has changed or they would not give away their 2nd most valuable asset, the logo. Oh, the first most valuable is the proprietary clipboard limit. Are they about to be bought? The sell of the name to P1 certainly does nothing to assure possible licensees that PSRC & PLMO are truly 2 seperate companies. Was this what P1 & Sony saw in 2004? P1 obviously hiccupped in 2004 device wise and went thru some changes in direction. Holding incessently to Garnet, while Sony left altogether after rumors of PSRC discontent.
RE: So what will the other licensees do? What others???The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 9:37:26 PM #
Obviously, the focus has changed or they would not give away their 2nd most valuable asset, the logo. Oh, the first most valuable is the proprietary clipboard limit. Et tu, Pat? Vicious. By the way, Palm never really "split". It was all a sham designed to be a last ditch grab for stock millions. And it worked. http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: So what will the other licensees do?Timothy Rapson @ 5/25/2005 9:43:33 AM #
"By the way, Palm never really "split". It was all a sham designed to be a last ditch grab for stock millions. And it worked." I am happy to see that someone gets this. I can't believe anyone bought that whole silly separation deal. RE: So what will the other licensees do?Dr Opinion @ 5/25/2005 12:01:03 PM #
That's just dumb. I work on Wall St. If what you say was true, the financial analysts that follow tech would have modeled the scenario out, and palmsource's stock would be priced accordingly. In other words, at any given moment the stock price of palmsource represents the considered opinion of hundreds of people far more intelligent and skilled than you. Of course, if you *really* think you're the smartest guy in the room, sell your house, short the stock, and make millions. Otherwise, shut up. :) "...I looked up "antediluvian", and they had a picture of a Pocket PC." ;) RE: So what will the other licensees do?
< Pretty simple, eh. Just put your $$$ where your post is. :-) But, I'm not so sure "Wall Street Consensus" = Truth either. Can you say Boston Chicken & eToys etc, etc, etc, etc. Kinda like Newsweek, CBS & CNN concensus calling the Drudge Report "inaccurate" and unreliable. It may be concensus of the "gods", but it helped not when Bush's N.G. record and the flushed Koran arrived. In rememberance of October 19th, 1987. :-o Was Palm's claimed split legit?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/13/2005 3:21:20 PM #
RE: So what will the other licensees do? Timothy Rapson @ 5/25/2005 9:43:33 AM # "By the way, Palm never really "split". It was all a sham designed to be a last ditch grab for stock millions. And it worked." I am happy to see that someone gets this. I can't believe anyone bought that whole silly separation deal. Wow, Timothy. Only two of us are on record for stating the "SPLIT" was really just B*LLSH*T. When this all plays out watch dozens of people step forward and claim they felt the split was bogus all along... I'd be interested to see pundits like Kent Pribbernow, Gekko, Surur, Mike Cane etc GO ON RECORD NOW as to whether or not the reported "split" was genuine.
That's just dumb. I work on Wall St. If what you say was true, the financial analysts that follow tech would have modeled the scenario out, and palmsource's stock would be priced accordingly. In other words, at any given moment the stock price of palmsource represents the considered opinion of hundreds of people far more intelligent and skilled than you. Of course, if you *really* think you're the smartest guy in the room, sell your house, short the stock, and make millions. Otherwise, shut up. :) "...I looked up "antediluvian", and they had a picture of a Pocket PC." ;) Thanks for the advice, Bubba. You just made me a TON of money! [TVoR counts their money made by shorting 100,000 shares of Palmsource last month...] By the way, if you think PPC defines "antediluvian", what is PalmOS? From the Cretaceous Period*?
RE: So what will the other licensees do? <> Pretty simple, eh. Just put your $$$ where your post is. :-) But, I'm not so sure "Wall Street Consensus" = Truth either. Can you say Boston Chicken & eToys etc, etc, etc, etc. Kinda like Newsweek, CBS & CNN concensus calling the Drudge Report "inaccurate" and unreliable. It may be concensus of the "gods", but it helped not when Bush's N.G. record and the flushed Koran arrived. In rememberance of October 19th, 1987. :-o
For those keeping score ay home, almost ALL of TVoR's predictions about Palm over the past 5 years have come true. [TVoR pats themself on the back again.] The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: So what will the other licensees do?
[TVoR pats themself on the back again.] So is that how you do that little number of two posts at the exact same second? I kind thought you were just "opening a new window" and it kept the same time stamp. Or maybe you are doing the Gollum thing again. Dude, get some help soon. PreciousThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/14/2005 2:59:50 AM #
So is that how you do that little number of two posts at the exact same second? I kind thought you were just "opening a new window" and it kept the same time stamp. Or maybe you are doing the Gollum thing again. Dude, get some help soon. What's that, Precious? My Precious twrock.
The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: So what will the other licensees do?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/14/2005 3:01:59 AM #
I like twrock. He is Precious.
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I predict...
I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. Result: iPod phone/PDA combo. Really no other way to grow the iPod/iTunes line, which is Apple's bread and butter these days. RE: I predict...archie@PIC @ 5/24/2005 12:54:56 PM #
This would be pointless. Apple has too much invested in iSync Services (and that includes the new services now found within iTunes for Windows released 2 weeks ago), Bonjour, iCal, Address Book, content repurposing (ie: HTML, XML, SVG, PDF, Quark and Microsoft Office), existing and newly formed relations, and upcoming remote/tablet hardware. Their future path has become quite clear. RE: I predict...
Why would Apple buy PalmSource when they could just hire the handful of engineers that are responsible for writing the OS code. Based on the lack of new developments in this area, I'm guessing there are not many of these folks left. Other than that, the rest of the company is basically worthless. They are not even going to own the Palm brand name anymore. RE: I predict...
>>> I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. <<< Yea and Bin Laden will become President of the US at the same time! The only thing Apple could possibly want from PalmSource is its knowledge of an intergrating an OS with cellular radio. But considering that: ...then there is NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PalmSource has to offer Apple. RE: I predict...
>>> The only thing Apple could possibly want from PalmSource is its knowledge of an intergrating an OS with cellular radio <<< That shoud read "its knowledge of intergrating an OS with cellular radio" RE: I predict...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 10:24:38 PM #
palmhiker @ 5/24/2005 12:31:53 PM I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. Result: BeOS FINALLY arrives on Macs as MacOS 11. Yeah. Riiiight. TwinTurbo @ 5/24/2005 2:28:58 PM Why would Apple buy PalmSource when they could just hire the handful of engineers that are responsible for writing the OS code. Based on the lack of new developments in this area, I'm guessing there are not many of these folks left. Other than that, the rest of the company is basically worthless. They are not even going to own the Palm brand name anymore. Did you mean to say engineers (plural)? I think PalmSource is down to one part time engineer maintaining the OS these days. He works one day a week and suppliments his salary by cleaning the PalmSource offices and washing Pépé Gassée's cars... ChiA @ 5/24/2005 3:04:22 PM >>> I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. <<< Yea and Bin Laden will become President of the US at the same time! Who do you think is President now? ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: I predict...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 10:24:38 PM #
palmhiker @ 5/24/2005 12:31:53 PM I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. Result: BeOS FINALLY arrives on Macs as MacOS 11. Yeah. Riiiight. TwinTurbo @ 5/24/2005 2:28:58 PM Why would Apple buy PalmSource when they could just hire the handful of engineers that are responsible for writing the OS code. Based on the lack of new developments in this area, I'm guessing there are not many of these folks left. Other than that, the rest of the company is basically worthless. They are not even going to own the Palm brand name anymore. Did you mean to say engineers (plural)? I think PalmSource is down to one part time engineer maintaining the OS these days. He works one day a week and suppliments his salary by cleaning the PalmSource offices and washing Pépé Gassée's cars... ChiA @ 5/24/2005 3:04:22 PM >>> I predict that Apple will buy Palmsource sometime later this year. <<< Yea and Bin Laden will become President of the US at the same time! Who do you think is President now? ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: I predict...Timothy Rapson @ 5/25/2005 9:49:32 AM #
RE"Who do you think is President now?" President of the US or presidents of Palm? I think that part-time engineer is in line for the Palm jobs. A part-time guy as you describe could handle both jobs better than the two dimwits they have now just "lost." At least it wouldn't cost $10+ million a year. RE: I predict...
""its knowledge of integrating an OS with cellular radio" Forgive my other spelling mistakes too!" This would really be the main reason for Apple being interested. From what I am hearing, Cobalt development is being skewed greatly toward cell phone integration. For a firm like Apple, the path towards an iPod-type integrated device would be easiest by buying the technology - that is, if Cobalt really is anything of value, which remains to be seen. "what you are saying is you WISH Apple would buy Palmsource..." No, I am not an Apple fanboy. Anything they do ends up being proprietary and overpriced, but that is just my opinion. RE: I predict...
>>>Anything they do ends up being proprietary<<<
Oh and Microsoft isnt... Here's where to get Darwin, the foundation to Apple's OS X, an open source project: Show me the link for Windows source code? And for your information:
How Machiavellian! I LOVE it!!
Talk about kicking someone when they are down!!
This is so Machiavellian, I can't wait to read what Gekko has to say! He should understand perfectly what's going on here!! PalmSource: Start polishing those resumes, baby! You're goin' DOWN! And good riddance!!
PSRC Market cap is $150M
PSRC Market cap is $150M. How can 55% of the "Palm" name be worth $30M??? Somebody call Eliot Spitzer. Collusion runs rampant between PLMO and PSRC. Shareholders forced to overpay - and they get screwed again. RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
And the stock jumps 14% on the news! I'll never understand the markets? Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: PSRC Market cap is $150MFoo Fighter @ 5/24/2005 1:42:22 PM #
It's buyout time, baby! P1 is going to scoop up PS and pay themselves for licensing their own OS. Those cads! Now where on Earth is that WinMob Treo? RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
Palmsource Investors Press Room: Nine (9) press releases today and somebody forgot to mention a transaction which is 1/5th of the companies entire market capitilization. Geesh, there's nothing like investor confidence in those telling you have things are going. http://www.palmsource.com/press/ 2005 May RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
Funny Pic! It should have never been deleted. Thanks for the laugh, Surur. RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
Pleased to be of service. Did you notice the little beret and Gaelic flat cap? I wonder who those would be? Surur RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
Two nipples dry and bare now that Bradley and Nagel are gone. Gasse, Colligan, Dubinsky, and Hawkins are still suckling though. RE: PSRC Market cap is $168MThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 11:35:04 PM #
PSRC Market cap is $150M. How can 55% of the "Palm" name be worth $30M??? Somebody call Eliot Spitzer. Collusion runs rampant between PLMO and PSRC. Shareholders forced to overpay - and they get screwed again. Palm bought 55% of the Palm NAME, not 55% of PalmSource. The IP was not part of the deal (not that PalmSource's IP is worth much these days). I wonder how much all those brilliant Be engineers are worth? Must be at least a million. Or maybe less. I'll give you a buck fifty. Deal? Yes, PalmSource shareholders are about to get ripped open with NO lube, Mike Cane-style in the next few months. Wait until the next quarterly statement. The Nagel golden parachute will be INSANE! ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... Geeko: clean the wax out of your earsThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/25/2005 1:58:31 AM #
And the cobwebs out of your head. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
> Now where on Earth is that WinMob Treo? Another one of my conspiracy theories: All the rumours on that device probably came from p1. Picture this - they spread disinformation about it as a negotiating ploy - ie, if they have a veiled threat to jump to another platform, that makes it easier to squeeze PalmSource on the licensing renegotiations. If that's right, now that the license has been settled, we probably won't hear any more about that kind of device. (This is kind of what HP did a few years ago when it was negotiating with M$.) This is all just speculation on my part, of course. RE: PSRC Market cap is $150MThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/25/2005 11:45:18 PM #
Guess what? You're wrong. As usual. ------------------------ ------------------------ The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
Homer: dont you ever get tired of always being wrong? Marge:...sometimes.
RE: PSRC Market cap is $150M
> Guess what? You're wrong. As usual. All Heed! The Vat of Refuse Speaks! The Earth Trembles! No seriously, since you are a renowned 'medical professional', of course I must always show proper respect for your opinions. BTW, how did you get the computer set up in your janitor's closet? Shouldn't you be out pushing a broom or something? Or is that you are getting high sniffing the floor wax again? Remember - Just say NO! You buffoon.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/26/2005 4:24:17 PM #
BTW, how did you get the computer set up in your janitor's closet? Shouldn't you be out pushing a broom or something? Or is that you are getting high sniffing the floor wax again? Remember - Just say NO! So you think people should be ashamed of working as janitors? Dumba$$. ------------------------ ------------------------ The Palm Economy = Communism™ svrontis: Don't you ever get tired of always being wrong?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/21/2005 4:15:59 PM #
> Now where on Earth is that WinMob Treo?
Another one of my conspiracy theories: All the rumours on that device probably came from p1. Picture this - they spread disinformation about it as a negotiating ploy - ie, if they have a veiled threat to jump to another platform, that makes it easier to squeeze PalmSource on the licensing renegotiations. If that's right, now that the license has been settled, we probably won't hear any more about that kind of device. (This is kind of what HP did a few years ago when it was negotiating with M$.) This is all just speculation on my part, of course.
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But PalmOne makes crappy products.The Voice of Doubt @ 5/24/2005 1:42:18 PM #
<<< "The letters P-A-L-M reflect a prized brand with significant customer awareness and earned loyalty," said Ed Colligan, palmOne president and chief executive officer. "Innovation, power, ease of use, and elegance all are attributes of the brand, and we intend to invest to turn what is a strong name today into a household word synonymous with leadership in mobile computing." >>> But his definition of Palm does not apply to PalmOne products because PalmOne does not have innovation, power, ease of use, and elegance. It's a shame that the Palm name be dirtied by PalmOne using it. RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
// But his definition of Palm does not apply to PalmOne products because PalmOne does not have innovation, power, ease of use, and elegance. // VD, Would you please reveal to us who it is who funds your trolling at this site? I'm won't be so forward as to ask what the rate per po$t you receive is. Just the backer please.
RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
Pat - A vast outside conspiracy is not necessary. The enemy lies within. But PalmOne makes GREAT enemies!
Listen: Palm/palmOne has *made* its own worst enemies -- power users! It's time to give MY quote a walk again... To ANYONE at PALM with a BRAIN: Starting epidemics requires concentrating resources on a few key areas. Connectors, Mavens, and Salesmen are responsible for starting word-of-mouth epidemics, which means. . .your resources ought to be solely concentrated on those three groups. No one else matters. -- Malcolm Gladwell [DoCoMo - Japan's Wireless Tsunami: How One Mobile Telecom Created a New Market and Became a Global Force by John Beck & Mitchell Wade; pg. 34] DELIGHT THE POWER USERS, ED COLLIGAN!! 32K Memos, 1K Clipboard -- **UNACCEPTABLE**! Am I getting ANYWHERE within the proximity of your HEAD, Ed Colligan?!!? RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
I love how the observation that "only power-users matter" always comes from POWER USERS. In the real world, 90% of Palm owners don't even load 3rd party software onto their devices, or are even aware of the limitations you describe. Power users don't matter. All that matters is number of units sold, and it doesn't matter if those units are the $99 or the $499 units -- every one of them has the same branding/logo[*], and *THAT'S* all that matters. [*] or would, if Palm/One/Source could figure out what their damn branding/logo was. RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
hey Ben S - 1. Who's the target market for $500 LifeDrives? Novices? now stop being silly. PalmOne has some strange buyers at the bottom!
Gee, go complain to the guy who said that, quoted in the DoCoMo book. But, duh!, he's probably one of those POWER USERS who had several hundred CONTACTS and could see right away how a **several hundred dollar device** would be better than a damned **paper book** for that ONE task alone. And you can bet he then PRAISED THE HELL out of his purchase and everyone he came in contact with was INFLUENCED and decided to TRY IT FOR THEMSELVES. And then they in turn PRAISED THE HELL OUT OF IT... Ah, but you don't get it. Wake up!! RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
>>> Power users don't matter. All that matters is number of units sold, and it doesn't matter if those units are the $99 or the $499 units <<< I'd rather sell 25 $499 units and make $125 profit per unit than 100 $99 units at $25 per unit. You do the maths. Units sold aren't the only factor in the equation. If the power user didn't matter then the PalmPilot Professional would still be in production today. It is the power user who wants to do more with his device who drives (or in PalmOne's case should drive) handheld development forward. New capabilities from a handheld will attract new customers and hopefully increase both the company's market share and profit. Apple lost heap of sales and market share in the early 90s because it made too many low-end Macs nobody wanted and at the same time couldn't make enough high end Macs which the power users wanted. RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
>>>In the real world, 90% of Palm owners don't even load 3rd party software onto their devices, or are even aware of the limitations you describe <<< If that's the case then Palm devices are doomed because many mobile phones and even the iPod offer the PIM which a Palm without 3rd party apps offers. Why would anyone get a Palm for their calendar/address book when their mobile can do the same? Besides, what evidence do you have for this 90% figure? And before you start calling me PocketPC Troll, I've got my Palm besides me full of third party apps. RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.Captain Hair @ 5/25/2005 2:13:36 AM #
Power users are the ones who get the word out about Palm. They're loyal, unpaid, all over the place, and more tha willing to profess why they think Palm is the best choice for somebody's handheld computing needs. RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
Cap, You're right! They should be paying us to use the LifeDrive! Power Users Unite!!! RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.Foo Fighter @ 5/29/2005 9:52:57 PM #
>> "90% of Palm owners don't even load 3rd party software onto their devices" Where on earth did you dig up that tired old statistic from 1997? Even Mike Mace doesn't drag that old sack of pototoes around any longer. The last statisitic I heard, from Mace no less, was somewhere around 60% of Palm users DO DOWNLOAD third party software. Please join the rest of here in the year 2005, Ben S. RE: But PalmOne makes crappy products.
The only statistic we shoudl watch shoud be market share. Everything else is B.S.
Should have spent the $30M on R&D
$30M would have been better spent on R&D. Not a very efficient use of capital for a capital-deficient company putting out sub-par products. What kind of LifeDrive does $30M buy? RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&D
I think $30M is actually a decent price to acquire the full rights to the Palm name. That's basically the only thing of value that PalmSource still had left, and PalmOne only had to pay 18% of the current PSRC market cap to get it. I like this deal for PalmOne. But I still think it won't matter in the long run. Too little too late as usual. Do I smell Linux?
I'm intrigued to know what PalmSource is going to call the product it sells licensees now that it has lost its venerable trademark.. RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&DAdamaDBrown @ 5/24/2005 3:26:18 PM #
It's not the only thing of value. PSRC still holds all the remaining intellectual property--source code for Palm OS, and all of their projects like Cobalt. If PalmOne wanted to take over the development of POS again, they would need full IP rights to the source code, unless they plan to keep shuffling along with the existing core without really changing anything. RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&D
AdamaDBrown, in my opinion the "intellectual property" part is the least valuable part of the company. The Palm OS source code is not rocket science and is basically the same recycled stuff from the very beginning. Port it to linux, use MS Mobile, run Symbian...who really cares... The brand name itself is far more valuable. RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&D
>>>I'm intrigued to know what PalmSource is going to call the product it sells licensees now that it has lost its venerable trademark.. FAILix? RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&D
The wait is finally over! It's time for the ...
with support for 36K memos and 2K clipboard! Now we know! RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&D
>>> Cobalt. If PalmOne wanted to take over the development of POS again, they would need full IP rights to the source code <<< Cobalt? Valuable intellectual property? Nearly two years on and not even the loyal PalmOne want to buy a licence to use it in their products, nevermind own it! RE: Should have spent the $30M on R&D
PSRC CAN NOT *GIVE AWAY* COBALT FOR *FREE*. I REPEAT - PSRC CAN NOT *GIVE AWAY* COBALT FOR *FREE*. This musical chairs game of name juggling is dumb. PLMO and PSRC should focus on producing GREAT PRODUCTS rather than simply SWAPPING EACH OTHER'S SPIT.
RE: While we're selling brand names
Maybe if palmOne had come up with a better name then they wouldn't have to do this? Or maybe if they'd spelled the name better (Palm One, PalmOne, anything better than a logo that looks like pa1m0ne). -Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion RE: While we're selling brand names
Pretty soon PSRC will be selling everything that's not bolted down. RE: While we're selling brand namesThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 10:45:30 PM #
There will be a kissing booth set up in the lobby at PalmSource HQ next week. All your favorite "celebrities" like David Nagel and hackbod will be there. $2/one kiss, $1/two kisses.
I bought Mike Cane a kiss with... Nagel. Congrats, Mikey! Happy Birthday, Old Boy! ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend...
Morale at PSRC?
I wonder what the MORALE is like at PSRC right now? How do you attract and retain quality employees in this environment? "Death can come swiftly to a market leader. By the time you have lost the positive-feedback cycle it's often too late to change what you've been doing, and all of the elements of a negative spiral come into play." - Bill Gates, "The Road Ahead", Chapter 3 RE: Morale at PSRC?
>>>How do you attract and retain quality employees in this environment?
You don't do Brit tongue-in-cheek well. Especially since you've made it very clear you don't think they have, or have had, or ever will have, QUALITY employees. "Apple rejects," weren't they?
Further evidence the original Palm split was a TOTAL sham.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 9:05:38 PM #
When Palm was split into PalmSource and pa1mOne, tens of millions were instantly created through bogus stock generation and removal of loan debts. A classic shell game mixed with a money printing scam. Everyone with any insight knew PalmSource had ZERO chance of surviving as an independent company. Do the math and you'll see the numbers (Revenues - Costs) would NEVER add up to profitability for PalmSource. It was just a matter of how long before PalmSource went bankrupt and white knight pa1mOne could ride in and "generously" buy the company at a fire sale price. Brilliant. It's already playing out as planned and now pa1mOne has the all-important PALM brand name back. In our Final Act of this tragedy, PalmSource shares drop to pennystock levels and pa1mOne announces a buyout of all the outstanding shares. Probably will come to pass within a year. Expect a series of bad news announcements (PalmLinux snafus, Cobalt failures, poor quarterly statements) creating a frenzy as investors panic and try to dump their stock before it's worthless. [PalmSource will then get delisted, marking the start of the endgame.] So who won in this situation? Palm execs and anyone who figured out early on what was happening. Colligan et. al. definitely played the cards they had with a lot of flair. These guys are definitely bada$$ executives. No one believed me when I said the Palm "split" was a sham. Brilliant strategy, and probably not a damn thing the SEC can do about this. PalmSource investors should demand an investigation - they've been fleeced in a VERY slick little scam that was designed to play out over three years.
------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Further evidence the original Palm split was a TOTAL sham.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 11:23:34 PM #
"It's cheaper to marry than to date." Let's see: Cost of licensing PalmOS 2007-8-9 = $148.5 million Value of PalmSource = $75 to 100 million (sorry, but current $168 million cap is B.S.) The two Palms will be one within three years of their fake "split". (i.e. by 2006) TVoR Nostradamus, Inc.™ ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Further evidence the original Palm split was a TOTAL sham.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/25/2005 7:04:24 AM #
This just keeps getting worse by the hour:
"The minimum annual royalty commitments for the contract years ending December 3, 2005 and 2006 remain unchanged from the Prior Agreement at $41.0 million and $42.5 million, respectively. The minimum annual royalty commitments under the extended term of the SARSLA for the contract years ending December 3, 2007, 2008 and 2009 are $35 million, $20 million and $10 million, respectively, subject to the Company meeting certain development milestones." Bend over PalmSource shareholders... Palm's ready to **** you. ------------------------ ------------------------ The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: Further evidence the original Palm split was a TOTAL sham.
Voice of Reason, if you are so sure of this massive manipulation by Palm execs, then why don't you short some PSRC shares, buy puts, sell calls, etc. If your predictions come true, you would stand to make a lot of money betting on PSRC shares to tank even further. Then the greedy Palm execs would not be the only ones profiting from this little shell game. RE: Further evidence the original Palm split was a TOTAL sham.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/11/2005 8:43:19 PM #
Wednesday, June 29, 2005. 5:00 pm Eastern Standard Time
Bold prediction: PalmSource stock price drops by over 25% before end of Summer, 2005. This will happen or my name's not [edited]. The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: Further evidence the original Palm split was a TOTAL sham.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/13/2005 2:42:21 PM #
Act Two in the Palm/PalmSource tragedy has now begun.
Enter, Stage Left: Windows Mobile Treo. Exit, Stage Right: Cobalt, several developers, David Nagel, Michael Mace, investors, Tapwave, AlphaSmart, Garmin, Lenovo, Kyocera, Sony, 60 PalmSource employees/extras/hangers-on/credibility/trust/revenues. On Stage: Garnet lying on its deathbed. Windows Mobile Treo approaches, dagger concealed behind its back in left hand, right hand outstretched to greet the moribund Garnet. Rosencrantz, Guildenstern, Colligan, Gassée, various Palm/PalmSource employees in the shadows, looting Garnet's purse. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark™. "What! In OUR house?" - PalmSource Executive
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Confusion, Inefficiency, and Demoralization
"Reorganizing can be a wonderful method for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." RE: Confusion, Inefficiency, and Demoralization
For the number of times they have re-orged or been bought/sold since 94', they could have developed the OS to run on laptops, PCs and SErvers, and had hardware on the space shuttle. Can anyone give us a list of all the Palm re-organizations in only a decade. That would be interesting all in one place. Throw Handspring in there too. After all they promised developers the full commitment to springboard and then ... :-( RE: Confusion, Inefficiency, and DemoralizationThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/25/2005 2:05:02 AM #
This one's pretty accurate: http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/PalmHistory.htm ------------------------ ------------------------ The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: Confusion, Inefficiency, and Demoralization
I like that last line in the total history ...
"Palms are getting bigger, slower and more complicated. Converging on Pocket PC's." ... uggggh.
Check out the 8K just filed by PSRCSeldomVisitor @ 5/25/2005 6:38:12 AM #
It shows that the "$148 million" isn't all NEW money, but a new replacement contract that covers an extended period of time. That is, 2005 and 2006, already covered by the prior contract, are now accompanied by 2007, 2008, and 2009. And check out the numbers for 2007, 2008, and 2009. -- http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050525/psrc8-k.html Gee...not even a cost-of-living increase? Giggle. RE: Check out the 8K just filed by PSRC
PalmSource will receive minimum royalty commitments of $148.5 million and source code license fees in the amount of $3.2 million over the remaining course of the contract as follows. The minimum annual royalty commitments for the contract years ending December 3, 2005 and 2006 remain unchanged from the Prior Agreement at $41.0 million and $42.5 million, respectively. The minimum annual royalty commitments under the extended term of the SARSLA for the contract years ending December 3, 2007, 2008 and 2009 are $35 million, $20 million and $10 million, respectively, subject to the Company meeting certain development milestones. So That does not sound like a company with a future. Surur RE: Check out the 8K just filed by PSRCSeldomVisitor @ 5/25/2005 7:34:31 AM #
Lol!
I like the way you put it! HA HA HA!
Don't Blame MSFT
Don't Blame MSFT for being Successful. When/if PLMO/PSRC fully implode, you can blame the Executives who made poor decisions and blame the Apologists who defended those poor decisions. DON'T YOU DARE BLAME MSFT!!!!!!!!!! RE: Don't Blame MSFTTimothy Rapson @ 5/25/2005 7:04:39 PM #
So, if Microsoft didn't have the cash cow to finance their money-losing Windows Mobile OS operation, would PalmOne be broke? With no competition? Even with all the mistakes Palm has made, they could still be selling $400 M515s now at huge profits. Or maybe not. There is no way to know for certain whether these mistakes were more to blame or MS pushing them financially was more to blame. No way to know. The fact that MS has killed so many companies it has targeted before--everyone of them companies that dared to challenge MS's cash cow, DOS/Windows (as the Aubrey did)-- certainly makes a good argument that it is behind the death of Palm now. Not a fact, too complex to prove, but at least a likely possibility. RE: Don't Blame MSFT
>Even with all the mistakes Palm has made, they could still be selling $400 M515s now at huge profits. And they'd probably still be selling Palm IIIs for $400 - and the customer would be getting screwed. Competition is GOOD for the customer. DELIVER VALUE TO THE CUSTOMER OR DIE. RE: Don't Blame MSFT
Exactly, Palm is floundering because they sat back and did nothing assuming they could just maintain their market share. The initial Pocket PCs were horrible, but Microsoft stuck with it. And even as Windows Mobile started to look good Palm still made mediocre attempts to improve their OS. After owning Palm devices for years I have now moved to Pocket PC because the software is now much better and I can choose from whom I buy the hardware. I will never again touch anything made by PalmOne after the debacle that was the last device I purchased from them. RE: Don't Blame MSFT
Sorry to hear you had problems with the T3. (I didn't much like the T2 either - I switched to the TE asap and it was so good that I never even considered buying the T3.)
While there are several WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever manufacturers out there, don't count on them all being around forever. HP is looking kind of shaky. Dell may be losing interest too if there is any truth to the rumours buzzing around (although Dell deny them). As for the smaller players, some of them are fuelled with VC money, which isn't limitless. If they don't do well within a few years, the VCs run out of patience and the money dries up. So if you buy a device from a smaller player, you run the risk of losing support once the warranty expires. Anyway, there are lot's of choices out there (whether it's WinCE or something else). Good luck in finding the hardware you need.
Will the next "palm" be a NOKIA??
$350!!! I've GOT to see this!! http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770 http://www.threadwatch.org/node/2658 http://www.betanews.com/article/Nokia_Unveils_Handheld_Linux_Tablet/1117043979 http://wireless.itworld.com/4264/050525nokiatablet/ http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/139202&from=rss BIG PHOTO: http://www.betanews.com/slideshow/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet/12 RE: Will the next
Do you want Nokia to die too! Thats a lovely device (especially at that price point and screen resolution). Let Nokia be the next Microsoft or IBM!! Surur PalmOne may have Sleepless Nights over this Nokia...
... when they see the spec: http://nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,75322,00.html - Linux Operating System but ALL FOR $350! Mercifully for PalmOne it doesn't appear to have any PIM capability. RE: Will the next
I see the PIC "-bug still lives. Paging Ryan! I hope the Linuxheads can strut their stuff and find a way to get a portable HD working with it. Microsoft: Be afraid. Be very afraid! (I'd warn Palm, but they have repeatedly proven they are DEAF!) RE: Will the next
"... when they see the spec:" Let's try that Nokia link again now it's been through tinyurl!
RE: Will the nextSeldomVisitor @ 5/25/2005 3:51:20 PM #
It has a USB port. It has Linux. I believe there exist external USB-based mass storage devices and Linux device drivers for them. RE: Will the next
No PIM? Au contraire. You can bet these beavers are gonna get busy fixing that oversight! http://www.thekompany.com/home/ They've already ported to that Archos Media Player/PDA! RE: Will the next
What do you mean no PIM? Look at the software features: Applications (in 2005 software edition) * Web Browser Now, the address book in the email client can do your contacts just fine (and be integrated into your email client) if it is done well, and it has calander and notes, just not a "todo list". There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. RE: Will the next
I do hope this thing will also work in portrait mode, however. I want to be able to rotate the screen orientation to my liking/needs of the moment. _________________ Sean There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. RE: Will the next
If this turns out to be all it seems cracked up to be, I'm all over it come Q3. _________________ Sean There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. This Nokia is making waves...
...and I hope the PalmOne ship is still seaworthy 'cos if it ain't, this baby's gonna sink it! Here's a quickie review of the Nokia 770: http://tinyurl.com/92ud2 RE: Will the nextTimothy Rapson @ 5/25/2005 7:24:37 PM #
Wonder if this Nokia will do phone? Will it have the N-Gage gaming software built in? Shame about the lack of SD. What in the world are they thinking? It must have cost them more to leave it out. Ah well. Still an amazing development. $350 for a model with an SVGA screen? WM and PalmOne should be ashamed. RE: Will the nextSeldomVisitor @ 5/26/2005 7:14:59 AM #
The Nokia says it has Bluetooth and can comm with a bluetooth-enabled phone. Just as the LifeDrive says IT has bluetooth and can comm with a bluetooth-enabled phone. That is - vaporware until the software comes along to do so. Hey! Which will get it first!? PalmOS LifeDrive or Linux 770!? Waiting with bated breath... Nokia 770: The PALM Killer!!
Just had a two-hour tour and fondle of that Nokia 770. This thing is GREAT. I'm doing a writeup but don't yet know where it will appear. Also have photos. Man, that thing is SMALLER than I thought. For instance: its height is the same as the width (L->R) of the Tungsten TE!! Nokia didn't give up after the NGage disaster. And this thing is more advanced and better thought-out than the NGage. Expect Nokia to STICK with this baby and to make it a new global platform. PalmSource: Go SHOVE your Cobalt!!
Palm's October Non-Suprise
>>>Interestingly, the company also confirmed it will be releasing new products in October, all of which will be branded Palm rather than PalmOne. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/24/palmone_to_be_palm/ PIC Posts from the Future: 1) What?!!? They've FRAM in the low-end Zire?!!? 2) WHAT?!! They've put FRAM in the high-end Zire?!!? 3) WHAT?? THEY'RE STILL USING G2?!!!? 4) WHAT?!!? NO LifeDrive II? 5) Whatever happened to Cobalt?!!? 6) Who cares? That Nokia 770 Internet Tablet is now on sale!! RE: Palm's October Non-Suprise
When does the Nokia 770 go on sale, theird or fourth qtr.? How much?...price point?
Who will buy if no one SELLS?
Local Circus City has dismantled their PDA section. Beast Buy's PDA section consisted of: 1) Zire 72 -- that's IT. The rest of the area was given over to MP3 players! Hmmmm... I didn't know there was a 30GB(!!!) Photo iPod for just $349! So, even if Palm builds some KILLER products -- will it even MATTER if most resellers won't be carrying them -- and no one is flocking to even *see* them? (At CompUSA, I saw *tumbleweeds* in the PDA section!) J&R is hanging on. I got a big five minutes with the LifeDrive! RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
PDA's are being extensively advertised by the mobile phone companies in the UK. They are on display in their catalog's and on their shelves. Maybe thats why PDA's are doing so well in Europe. Of course we would not ignore the influence of people reading websites... (despite what Rhinosteve et al says) Surur RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
it's the exact opposite where i'm at - beast buy stores have no pdas - circus city stores have a few. i bet soon you'll have to buy them online from BOTH if not all stores. MikeCon - that means you may have to suck it up an apply for a credit card. RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
I remember Bosco predicted a while back that DELL would fail in the pda market because they didn't sell in retail stores. Hmmmmmmmn. RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
People who want pocketpc's obviously use computers also, and due to ebay and amazon we are getting more and more used to buying things sight unseen. Of course before we spend the money we rely on reviews. Again, people on this and other Palm websites have discounted the influence of power users, but they are the ones who write the reviews, and people trust a negative review more than a positive review (because so-one would pay for a negative review on an enthusiast web site). Palm needs to delight their power users, and paying Kirvin wont do the trick. Surur RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
"and paying Kirvin won't do the trick." Huh? I wasn't even in this thread! Where did this attack come from? Shilling for Palm, begging for a job?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/27/2005 2:34:14 AM #
"and paying Kirvin won't do the trick." Huh? I wasn't even in this thread! Where did this attack come from?
If you aren't paid for shilling then you must be one of the blindest, dullest Palm zealots on the Net. Or else you're sucking up to Palm, hoping they may eventually hire you. Which is it, Kirvin? ------------------------ ------------------------ The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
"Attack? No. People think you're paid by Palm to cheerlead for them because of the bizarre posts you make. You pretend to be oblivious to ALL problems with Palm and repeatedly make weak attempts to rationalize things the company has screwed up on. And when you're shown to be wrong, you simply lie. Basically, you have ZERO credibility as a balanced commentetor, Kirvin. If you aren't paid for shilling then you must be one of the blindest, dullest Palm zealots on the Net. Or else you're sucking up to Palm, hoping they may eventually hire you. Which is it, Kirvin?" Neither. I'm just willing to call it like I see it, and I'm an naturally optimistic person. I refuse to be jaded and cynical, and that goes against the grain here. It's okay. And I never lie. Nice attempt at character assassination, though. If you can't counter my ideas, you tear down the person. Lovely. RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
kirvin is selectively "optimistic". he's optimistic on only the companies/products that he *wants* to succeed. he purposely blinds himself to reality. my theory is that he is sucking up to palm for a job or some consulting work. unfortunately, the last type of person palm needs is a suck-up/hack/shill/yes-man. and no, he is no "industry expert" - despite the fact that he likes to call himself one. the reason he's here and came back with his tail between his legs is because this site is the best. it's the most interesting to visit by far. WHY? Because it allows vigorous debate from a diverse group of opinions. the other sites just don't to the same degree. and when you stifle debate and everyone must agree or be censored, it's BORING - and even the die-hard Apologists come running back. Kirvin, you're hilariousThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/27/2005 4:16:18 PM #
Neither. I'm just willing to call it like I see it, and I'm an naturally optimistic person. I refuse to be jaded and cynical, and that goes against the grain here. It's okay. And I never lie. Nice attempt at character assassination, though. If you can't counter my ideas, you tear down the person. Lovely. Please stop the BS. Now. There's a big difference between being "naturally optimistic" and being in complete denial. Your refusal to accept reality (as you showed when I destroyed you in our "debate" a few weeks ago) shows you're truly clueless, or you'reangling for a job at Palm or you're a liar. Which is it? I know which it likely is... ------------------------ ------------------------ The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?
kirvin is selectively "optimistic". he's optimistic on only the companies/products that he *wants* to succeed. he purposely blinds himself to reality. my theory is that he is sucking up to palm for a job or some consulting work. unfortunately, the last type of person palm needs is a suck-up/hack/shill/yes-man. and no, he is no "industry expert" - despite the fact that he likes to call himself one. Because it allows vigorous debate from a diverse group of opinions. the other sites just don't to the same degree. and when you stifle debate and everyone must agree or be censored, it's BORING - and even the die-hard Apologists come running back. Its why I'm here. Surur RE: Who will buy if no one SELLS?Foo Fighter @ 5/27/2005 5:18:34 PM #
FYI: A little advice to anyone here who may or may not be panning for a job at PalmOne or Source; they won't hire you. Corporations don't hire enthusiasts or fanboys to do consulting, marketing, etc. They hire firms or skilled professionals. You think P1's human resource director is sitting in his chair right now looking over the names of PIC members or sites from which to choose marketing reps? Anyone who believes that has no clue how business works, which is further evidence of a lack of qualifications. But if you really believe that hyping or cheerleading a company's products will get you in the door, do carry on. The train from Cluelessville is waiting at the station, ready to take on more passengers. |
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