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A few weeks ago, Sony pre-announced a new addition to its Clié line of handhelds. The T415 is a mid-range model that is super-slim and has a high-resolution monochrome screen. It will be available November 20 for $300. News Editor Ed Hardy has a first look at this new model.

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Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 12:10:11 PM #

Ok, so you have given us an idea that it's something new, but that it ain't so good. Pictures of the screen on, PLEASE?!

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 12:45:33 PM #

He said it was dark. Maybe it was on in the picture?

RE: Pictures of the screen?

Ed @ 11/12/2001 12:45:48 PM #

I didn't overlook it; turns out to be almost impossible to get a decent picture of a handheld's screen. Too far away and you can't see anything and too close and you get a picture of the camera's reflection in the screen cover. That's why all the handhelds you see in catalogs and webstores have simulated screens.

But you asked so I'll show you the two best ones I could get. This is PG Pocket:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_T415_r_4_L.JPG

Here's a comparison shot with a Visor Pro:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_T415_r_5_L.JPG

These pictures haven't been modified at all. This is exactly what came from my fairly limited digital camera.

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News Editor

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 1:04:40 PM #

how is the backlight? is the background "paper-white" with the backlight on?

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 1:12:16 PM #

Please give more details about the backlight. Are the pictures with or without the backlight? Does the backlight supply significantly more contrast in normal lighting conditions? Is the backlight white, reverse, etc.?

RE: Pictures of the screen?

Ed @ 11/12/2001 1:12:39 PM #

The backlight is blue-green which makes the entire background this color. Thankfully it isn't the reversing backlight that some handhelds still use. It isn't very bright. In regular room lighting I can't really tell if the backlight is on or off and the screen's contrast is basically unchanged.

There are no conditions that I have found in which the T415's background is paper white.

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News Editor

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 1:35:20 PM #

And the screen is somewhat smaller than the Visor Pro from the pictures.

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:29:21 PM #

Thanks for posting the pictures. I suppose this is going to be up in the air until they come out in retail, and probably after that... it will be the m505 of mono screens: love it or hate it.

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 5:48:51 PM #

Ed, did you try a circular polarizer filter for your camera lense? It can help remove reflection.

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 6:32:32 PM #

This is disconcerting. I was really looking forward to finally replacing my Vx with something actually worth the price. The only outstanding thing about this PDA is the screen, in my opinion, and now it appears that's not quite as advertised. The other features I find quite unimportant. I'll definitely want to see this one in the store before buying.

RE: Pictures of the screen?

jamuka @ 11/12/2001 6:55:47 PM #

is the screen really black when turned off?

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 8:50:58 PM #

How does it compare with a m500? I'm debating between the T415 and the m500. Thanks

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 2:33:20 AM #

I tried a T415 in a retail store today and found the screen is indeed too dark. I will skip it for T600 (or maybe T615 of the US market).

RE: Pictures of the screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 2:33:20 AM #

I tried a T415 in a retail store today and found the screen is indeed too dark. I will skip it for T600 (or maybe T615 of the US market).

Pre production?

digilaw @ 11/12/2001 12:35:08 PM #

Does that mean that the screen could be improved when the units hit the retail stores?

RE: Pre production?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 1:49:42 PM #

Yes! The screen will be paper-white once they incorporate b & w active matrix displays.

RE: Pre production?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:24:37 PM #

What do you mean by that ?

RE: Pre production?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 3:09:22 PM #

Who are you and how should we qualify your comment?

RE: Pre production?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:06:52 PM #

Awww... I doubt they're going to incorporate active matrix TFT. Don't listen to the guy, it's just another Pro-Sony blind supporter, who can't accept the fact that the T415's screens suck. I can't believe they were going to try to sucker people into thinking that it looks like the SonyStyle web pics.

RE: Pre production?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:11:33 PM #

Were? From the posts here, it sounds like they still are suckering people with the SonyStyle web pics.

RE: Pre production?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 9:25:13 PM #

Hmmm, I'm about to upgrade my two year old IIIxe and I had high hopes for the T415's display, since I mostly read with my Palm.

It looks like I'll go with Sony's 760 (which I've used & really like) or the Handera 330 (which I've seen and really like). (No, not a PocketPC -- I tried an iPAQ -- nice machine, but not for me).

Take Care All!

-Brett Blatchley
Pfafftown, North Carolina, USA

B&W is possible

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 8:49:40 AM #

From the spec, it states that it's an EL diaplay instead of LCD, therefore I believe B&W is possible. The strength of EL is supposed to have better contrast especially ..... to have daylight-readability with much less power.

Hope it's mature technology!

about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 1:37:21 PM #

my sony clie 610 is an awesome pda, but when sony want's to cut costs on a lower end product they really cut costs, apparently the stylus holder on the clie 750 is spring loaded? I don't know I though I read that somewhere, but the stylus on my 610 has nothing, I have own the unit since september, and I have lost atleast three stylus because they fall out so easily, once when I was carrying the sony in my visor phone belt clip case the stylus shot up as I was getting into the car, and the top snapped off as it hit the steering wheel. Try it with any sony, turn it up side down, give it a hard shake, and the stylus will come flying out everytime.

Atleast I can say that I don't have bleeding thumbs like those poor unfortunate m505 users and their unrelentingly tuff to remove stylus

RE: about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:12:58 PM #

None of the clie's stylus are spring loaded.
I suggest you take a piece of clear tape, and put it on the top of the Clie. that will make your stylus very tight like a..... :) it works quite well.

RE: about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 6:50:16 PM #

My, that must look professional. The m505 stylus is out and about yet still stays tight after a couple days of use.

RE: about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 10:04:11 AM #

For $400 I shouldn't have to use scotch tape to perform so simple a task as holding the stylus in place.

Perhaps Sony wants to boost sales of replacement styli, since their 3-pack sells for $3.00 more than any other company's.

RE: about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 5:03:24 PM #

Gosh your stylus still stays tight after a couple days of use, who'd of thought. A whole 2 days, wow maybe its time for an upgrade.

RE: about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 11:28:59 PM #

I got a T415 and i turned it upside down and shook it as hard as I dare and couldn't get the stylus out.

Mr. CaN

RE: about the stylus

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:33:36 PM #

perhaps you all should consider NOT turning you sony upside down and shaking it... lol... get yourself a 10 buck case and you'll be fine!

Sony's WebSite for the PEG-T415

Palmfood @ 11/12/2001 1:52:42 PM #

Take the tour, for a B&W Palm it's quite impressive. Check out the trumpet on the second page.

http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/peg_t415_index.shtml

RE: Sony's WebSite for the PEG-T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:10:47 PM #

Yeah right! Just as Ed put it, these aren't the real screens! Sony tries to pull a fast one on their customers... again. Please don't be a pathetic sucker for these pics. Just admit that the Peg T415 is probably the crappiest and darkest monochrome screen out there, with the exception of it's high-res.

RE: Sony's WebSite for the PEG-T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 8:03:35 PM #

Yeah.. I think you could claim false advertising if the final unit's screen looks like this demo model.

THIS:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_T415_r_4_L.JPG

DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS:
http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/peg_t415_tour_02.shtml

RE: Sony's WebSite for the PEG-T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/14/2001 7:45:14 PM #

It only indicates that PEG-T415 has hi-res display. But... The screen capture (data) is NOT affected by the quality of display (e.g.: It has the same either backlight on or off).

RE: Sony's WebSite for the PEG-T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 5:09:29 PM #

BTW. The Sony website has a disclaimer that says that the screen image is simulated. I went to a local electronics store that just got the T415 in the same day. Fortunately, I was able to take a look at it. I agree with the review that the contrast on the screen is not all that great, I would personally like to see the screen have a white background, as opposed to the soft grey background. However, I would purcahse the T415 becasue there is a vast difference between screens that have 320x320 resoultion and than 160x160. The screen is nice. The PDA is a fantastic designer, however the up/down knob may prove to be some trouble.

Up their sleeves

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:25:56 PM #

Anyone think they have a "better" screen up their sleeves? I bet the production model due in stores in 2 weeks or less will be just the same as this one, not that its a bad thing, but I try not to get my hopes up too high.

RE: Up their sleeves

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/29/2001 6:14:47 PM #

would it be posible to replace whatever was behind the screen (presumably the backlight) and put something else in like:

http://www.edmundoptics.com/IOD/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=1393

also nobody has conformed or denied that the preproduction modle is going to be like the final

RE: Up their sleeves

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/30/2001 2:57:53 PM #

I've seen the production model, and its screen is no better.

If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:36:50 PM #

If the screen is not paper white & back , what the hell is that in their sonystyle web page ? They show their customers an illusion and give them a real poor
stuff ? That's not right !

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

Supermoo @ 11/12/2001 2:59:27 PM #

Sonystyle.com/micros/clie/

"screen images simulated"

It's the same throughout the site, there are no official photos of 'real' screens for any new Sony Clié.

}:8) Supermoo

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

TheClone @ 11/12/2001 4:32:36 PM #

How is this any different than the simulated screens on the palm website before the launch of the m505? Not that the m505 screen is bad, it just wasn't what I expected after reading all the hype.

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 8:05:48 PM #

Not true... the page at the link below says "Actual Screen Shot"

http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/peg_t415_tour_02.shtml

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

ssummer @ 11/12/2001 11:58:46 PM #

HAH! You're both wrong. It says "Actual Screen Capture" (which is the stupidest thing I've seen Sony do in a while and they have done some pretty stupid things). A screen capture does NOT in any way reflect what an image will look like on a PDA (well maybe the resolution but I digress). For example, if that image was a 16-bit color JPG "screen captured" from a T415, the screen capture would be a 16-bit color JPG. Furthermore, not even the 760C can display such a bright white.

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

Supermoo @ 11/13/2001 2:56:25 PM #

My apologies Anonymous,

I had not been to the Sony Vaio website, but as ssummer pointed it out. These “Actual screen captures” are taken in such controlled conditions that they might as well be computer generated. Also notice how the resolution of the photo was dropped to make it look even better.

}:8) Supermoo

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 5:52:35 PM #

> These ?Actual screen captures? are taken in such
> controlled conditions that they might as well be
> computer generated.

Just to be clear on this, these and most ?Actual screen captures? are 99% likely to have been done through the Palm emulator on a PC. So yes, they are computer generated.

RE: If it is true, then it's a poor B&W screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 1:40:56 PM #

Actual screen capture might even be a 'screen' capture using screen capture hack. The screen capture will capture the 'light' area as white since the OS inteprates it as white. However the LCD on the T415 is not capable of paper white.

Article: Why the change of font? and size?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:41:13 PM #

Ed,

Can you make the article's font Arial looking and 1 font size larger just like what you usually use?

Thanks.

RE: Article: Why the change of font? and size?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 10:14:30 AM #

What are you talking about change the font? It looks like someone is messing with your browser

Wow

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 2:40:48 PM #

For a user who doesn't need color, this machine puts everything else out there to shame! What a great design, and if those 'actual screen captures' on the Sony site are true, it looks like a great screen, too.

Nice job, Sony. This is what Palm should have had for the 505 rather than a rehash of the V.

RE: Wow

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 3:02:48 PM #

> if those 'actual screen captures' on the Sony site are
> true, it looks like a great screen, too.

Ummm ... did you actually read the article?

RE: Wow

Mor @ 11/12/2001 3:16:02 PM #

That's exactly the point. What Ed reviewed was a pre-production model. Hopefully the preduction model will sport a screen that can display those "actual screen captures" on the sonystyles.com.

RE: Wow

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:06:03 PM #

I believe you mistyped: "screen image is simulated" on the sonystyles.com.

RE: Wow

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:19:20 PM #

No actually if you follow this link:

http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/peg_t415_index.shtml

...and go through the product tour you will see that it says "Actual Screen Captures" on most of the screen shots.

Capture vs. image

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:38:00 PM #

A "screen capure" is nothing more than a copy of the image displayed to the screen, recorded by the device itself, exported to a file. Displaying that image on any other device will NOT give you a reliable representation of how it lloks on the original device. A true "screen image" would show how the screen looks in practice, as seen by an external observer.

RE: Better reserve your "Wows"

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 10:07:57 AM #

Exactly. To put it another way, a "screen capture" is the image that's sent to the Clie display, BUT it's displayed very nicely on your computer screen. It does not imply that this is exactly the way it will look on the actual Clie screen.

Sony's trying to take advantage of 2 things:
1) the ignorance of consumers visiting the site.
2) blind loyalty to Sony.

Are they going to release a color version?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 4:00:16 PM #

RE: Are they going to release a color version?

jfiscool @ 11/12/2001 8:58:19 PM #

Hopefully they will by X-mass

Go Yankees!!!

RE: Are they going to release a color version?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 10:10:50 AM #

By Christmas?

Get real--the grayscale will release right around Thanksgiving, just in time for Christmas. Perhaps you can hope for one at Christmas 2002.

BTW, the Yankees lost...

Besides the screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 5:47:55 PM #

Hey Ed, aside from the screen issues everybody wants to know about:

* Can you compare the sound quality to say an iPaq?
* I'm curious how long the battery lasts with a mono screen.
* Sonystyle lists a "Clie Paint" program, I assume that's like BugMe/m500 notepad/TealPaint...?

Too bad all of the Sonys have bad buttons...

Thanks! Looking forward to the actual review.

RE: Besides the screen

Quik_Fix @ 11/13/2001 1:08:34 PM #

I'd rather you compare the sound of a device more in the ballpark... like the 330. Good idea, though.

...In accordance with the prophecy...

Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com

Wireless Modem

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 6:07:44 PM #

Does anybody know when Sony will be more agressive with wireless modems. How about Omnisky, does anybody know when they are going to start supporting current models.

RE: Wireless Modem

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 2:07:03 AM #

Here's a link to sony's wireless product, Mylo.

http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/wireless/index.html

Accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 7:07:26 PM #

You say that the connector is different from other models. Sony told me this:

"Yes, it would be compatible. The PEG-T415 uses the same connectors as the other Clie's, you would not have any problems connecting the Targus Stowaway keyboard with the T415.
The T415 is more superior to the other models and can be pre-ordered currently at Sonystyle.com."

Have you tried connecting things like the keyboard? I'd like to know if Sony is telling the truth or not. Thanks!

RE: Accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 12:30:07 AM #

The word I got from Think Outside (the makers of the Stowaway keyboards) when I asked them about compatibility was, "At this point, we do not have a solution for the Sony T-415 product."

RE: Accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 1:17:43 AM #

Hm I'd be suspicious if any Sony rep actually said to me, "The T415 is more superior to the other models and can be pre-ordered currently at Sonystyle.com." Not only is that bad English, how can they so definitely claim any one of the Clies is superior to any other.

RE: Accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/9/2002 1:27:24 AM #

I bought a Targus Stowaway keyboard and a Sony T415 and I would very much like for that Sony rep to come show me how to connect the T415 to the keyboard. It flat out does not fit. The connector is shorter (lengthwise) than the connector on the keyboard. Unfortunately neither the sales rep at Circuit City nor myself were aware that the T415 has a different connector, probably due to disinformation from Sony like that quoted above.

RE: Accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/13/2002 9:44:26 PM #

the T415 had a dif connector than the other clie. I have yet to find a keyboard that works.

RE: Accessories

Ed @ 1/13/2002 9:51:34 PM #

Think Outside hasn't yet committed to making a version of the Stowaway folding keyboard for the new Sony T series but the company is strongly considering it.

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News Editor

RE: Accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 7:31:02 PM #

I also bought a Sony CLIE PEG-T415 and a Targus folding keyboard (model PA830U) that "works with the Sony CLIE" (on the box and no mention of a model). Of course, as mentioned by others here, they do not work together. Does anyone know of any other company that has a folding keyboard that will work with the Sony CLIE PEG-T415?

Sound comparison

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 7:26:04 PM #

Ed,

In part II, could you maybe compare the speaker of the Sony to the enhanced speaker of the Handera? Since this is the only other PDA with an improved speaker. (Well the Kyocera as well)

Thanks

RE: Sound comparison

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 12:17:21 PM #

Also, is it capable of recording voice memow through a microphone like the H330?

You're all missing the important point !!!!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 11:35:00 PM #

This review gave us to occasion to renew with the famous flower wallpaper of Mr. Ed. (On the pic of the thickness of the unit)

I think it has been more than one year since we have first met this never going outtastyle wallpaper and it's important to PIC websurfers to anchor to real, solid realities in this world of fried USB chips.

Solo

RE: You're all missing the important point !!!!!!!

sub_tex @ 11/12/2001 11:57:36 PM #

what's really sad is that i actually though to myself "man...look at that print" when i saw that pic, but didn't bother to post it.

now you've forced me to.

About IR remote

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 7:25:49 AM #

Hi,
- can the IR port be used by other software such as Omniremote ?
- is it possible to record the IR codes of a unknown remote controller ? (learning function)
- is it possible to make a batch command, for instance to title a MD from the Clie ?

thanks

Pre-production unit

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 9:50:54 AM #

My question is quite simple. If the units are due out in a couple of weeks, Sony must have actual production units available. So, why would they send a pre-production unit for review if the actual units will have a different screen? The only way the screen will look like the true black and white ones pictured on the Sony web site is if the screen is a TFT color screen set to display in black and white (greyscale) only. I don't believe that there is a COST EFFECTIVE, NON-COLOR, NON-TFT display that can duplicate a paper white background as pictured.

Also, what is the real point of this device, just that it is .05 microns thinner than any other PDA? Big deal! Why not make it a little thicker, but still thinner than a 610, and put the color screen in it? The 610 is already priced at $299 from websites such as J & R, so the 415 at $299 is no bargain. And what is the deal with so-called "high-end" black and white PDA's? If that isn't an oxymoron, than I don't know what is. Black and white was high end in 1950, not 2002!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on people. Would you buy a "high-end" laptop or TV with a black and white screen? That's what I thought.

RE: Pre-production unit

Mor @ 11/13/2001 12:01:44 PM #

Well just maybe..the production units are being manufacturered RIGHT NOW and the pre-production ones have been around and sent out for preview purposes. It makes sense because the measure satifies both cost and timing requirements.

Also, I can pick a hundred reasons against your current PDA as well, so don't start flaming. If you want to do so much on your PDA, why don't you just buy a laptop instead? BTW, I will not buy a "high-end laptop or TV with a black and white screen". That's what you thought, wasn't it? But guess what? I'll buy the T415.

RE: Pre-production unit

valcho @ 11/13/2001 5:57:50 PM #

Mor,

I agree with you.I can't understand the fan with the small color PDA screen - buy a notebook if you want portable color ;) Also I think the main function of the PDA is to be your assistant...

RE: Pre-production unit

ssummer @ 11/14/2001 8:53:13 AM #

Why not buy a laptop if you want color? That reasoning makes no sense. Show me a laptop that can fit nicely in my shirt's front pocket and I'll buy 20 of them. Point is, user demand for innovation is going to be in areas that make the Palm basically a "laptop-in-your-pocket". Don't believe me? Just look at the market trends:

1. More memory/storage - my friend works at Best Buy and tells me the 128MB memory stick is selling quicker than any other MS.
2. More speed - Palm already has plans to move to the StrongARM.
3. Better means of user input - just look at all the folding keyboards/thumbboards/etc on the market.
4. Expansion - those SD/MS/CF slots on your PDA ain't there for the looks.
5. Better audio - HandEra and Sony have obviously come to that realization.
6. Better video - higher resolutions, more color. Again, HandEra and Sony seem to have a clue.

RE: Pre-production unit

Mor @ 11/14/2001 2:59:46 PM #

I can add another trend to the list that is clearly demonstrated in T415 - smaller, lighter, thinner. PDA's were designed to be PDA's, with certain sets of functions. The newest generation of iPAQ's/Clie's are crossing the border trying to become laptop-substitudes and portable entertainment gadgets. I'm not saying it is a bad thing. In fact, I love these technological advancements. But obviously, there are people out there who may find the T415 just what they need, without the color screen and has a thinner profile. Proof? SONY (which is a business who makes products that would sell, mind you) made the T415 and many people are anticipating its arrival.

RE: Pre-production unit

ssummer @ 11/15/2001 6:13:43 PM #

Smaller, thinner, lighter?

Size is reaching a point of diminishing return - sure you might be able to make a PDA the size of a nickel, but the screen is just going to have to be a certain size to be functional.

The T415 might be the thinnest PDA out there but for those that wanted thin, I never heard anyone complaining that the M500 was just too damn thick for their needs. Again, thinner is cool and all but user demand for a PDA millimeters thinner than the M500 is just not there. Maybe being half the thickness of a M500 would deserve some attention but the T415 sure doesn't...

And finally, weight. We are pushing the edge of how light these PDAs can go. I never heard anyone say "damn, my M500 is just too heavy, I need something lighter".

So to sum up, the T415 may be "smaller, thinner, lighter" but by how much that anybody really cares?

RE: Pre-production unit

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/9/2001 9:15:20 PM #

There is a PEG-T600C coming out next year in the US and it is already out in Japan. The PEG-T600C is in color and also has the Hi-Res 320x320 pixel TFT LCD screen. The Clie PEG-T600C is 1.2 cm thick the Palm Vx is also 1.2 cm thick. the PEG-T415 is 0.9 cm thick meanig that it is .3 cm thinner than the Vx, that is 33% of a cm! So for you people looking for a thin color pda there you go. (I don't know what the estimated retail price of the PEG-T600C is going to be in the US)

- JohnJohnTheLeprechaun! JJTL!

Case

EDisk1353 @ 11/13/2001 4:23:28 PM #

What kind of case will the production T415 come with, if any?

How come ?? These ugly photo...

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/13/2001 10:28:49 PM #

check this form
http://clie.idv.tw/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7652

Can you record voice messages ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/14/2001 2:38:08 AM #

Does the machine have a builkt in MIC to make basic voice recordings ?

Screen is O.k. for me, style of T415 is very cool !!

allapon @ 11/14/2001 2:33:08 AM #

I just went back from Comdex and Sony showed the actual unit over there.

I think that The picture can not tell the real situation if you didn't see it with your eye. I agree with Ed that the screen is quite too dark but I have to admit that it went along with the style that Sony try to build it up and I like it (In my opinion, my feeling like when I saw the m505, it is dark but not too dark to see for me). also, the letter on the screen is too thin to see in some angle because Sony use the same font that they use in N series.

If you carry it in your hand, I think that you will like it. It fit in your hand and also it is thin and look cool !!!

Hello !!

It's so funny...

ssummer @ 11/14/2001 9:14:17 AM #

The denial in this thread makes me laugh. All those people that thought that Sony could do no wrong, rather than come to the realization that Sony screwed up this time, are trying (in some hilarious ways) to rationalize the T415. Fact is, everyone was hyped about the T415 because of the screen, thinking it would look like those "screen captures" on Sonystyle. However it is pretty clear now that Sony dropped the ball.

Instead of facing that reality, we got some people now saying "uh, well I didn't want the T415 for the screen, I wanted it for the looks" or for the "other features" or "it's just a pre-production, it's going to get better". PUHLEEZE.

If Palm was to pull some crap like this you wouldn't hear the end of it. I am a 760 owner, I generally like what Sony is doing for the PalmOS market, but damn let's face it, the T415 is only marginally better than the M500 and the slim Visors...

MS Slot

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/17/2001 2:04:20 AM #

Is the MS slot a traditional one? Or it can only fit the new duo MS because of the slim size?

RE: MS Slot

valcho @ 11/17/2001 8:31:32 AM #

It should accept the standard MSs. At least there is no info on their site that Sony changed the type of MSs in T415. Also I hope I can use my MS in my new PDA...;)

Val

T600

cpwoo @ 11/19/2001 8:50:32 AM #

T600 has been announced in Japan, which will be available early December. It is 16 bit color version of T415, with slightly thicker form (0.5" instead of 0.4"), but with 16MB of RAM.

Looking at all the Clie models that came out this year, I wonder what Palm has been doing instead.

Sony T600C

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/19/2001 9:38:10 AM #

Infosync has news of the new Sony T600C at this url:

http://www.infosync.no/show.php?id=1119

Moreover, there will be new camera and GPS memory sticks. The new T600C will have 16-bit color and 16mb RAM.

RE: T600

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/19/2001 9:54:47 AM #

Ed, that's a subject for a news bit.

Solo

Palm Confusion...

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/19/2001 10:55:10 PM #

I wanted to know your opinio on handhelds capab- ilities, and if it really could replace your laptop... That is a the very question I have been asking myself for some time now... I have been in the market for a pda. I've never been so confused as to which one I should purchase. With all of these multimedia functions that some handhelds have to offer, and wireless solutions it makes it kind of hard.
For instance; I was dead set on buying the Ipaq, until I heard that Sony was coming out with a color handheld to compete with the ipaq. So I waited... Then the Sony 710 came out... I was like "wow". But then I went to the Sony website and read that the 760 was being released. The only thing that was new was the os on it. Now it was time to choose. The only thing to decide now it was on wireless capabilities. Ipaq has it... Sony has mylo... What is that bulky hunk of junk attached to the sony clie. I prefer the Sony product. But if they do not come out with something better than that monstrosity. Then I will be forced to go with Ipaq.
Do you know if Sony is coming out with some type of wireless solution for their pda.

Thanks
fvbaez@adelphia.net
SuperConfused Man

RE: Palm Confusion...

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 1:13:20 PM #

with sony making PDA ... you never know. Coz they got the capability of doing many things, they make MP3 players, Cell phones, wireless networking stuff, TV, playstations.

But bluetooth built-in Clie should be the most obvious way to go

Saw the 415 today at Best Buy in Arlington, VA

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 6:01:32 PM #

Hello, everyone.

I bought a 320 a few weeks ago, but was prepared to return it and upgrade to a 415. Then I read these comments on this site and it scared me a little bit, since the quality of the display is the reason I'd be upgrading.

I just got back from seeing, holding, and using the 415 at Best Buy. I think the detail was good, and the brightness was just fine. The only reason I didn't buy it was that, in the store at least, that particular screen was flickering and I didn't want to deal with that quirk.

Also, I agree with what some people wrote here: The buttons along the front bottom are small and not easily recognizable compared with the 320, 610, and the 760. I know I wouldn't like it in the long run.

So, that's my two cents' worth of comments. Take it with a grain of salt if you really had your heart set on the new 415.

Black t415 on Sony Webpage

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 12:32:25 PM #

Hey,

Just thought I'd mention that you can now order a t415 in black from the SonyStyle webpage.

RE: Saw the 415 today at Best Buy in Arlington, VA

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 1:20:34 PM #

Thank you for comparing the 320 and the 415. But tell me this: aside from the disturbing flickering, was the 415 screen better or worse that the 320? How about compared to palms and visors? Thanks!

RE: Saw the 415 today at Best Buy in Arlington, VA

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 3:46:31 PM #

It's me again....

I thought the screen was much better than the 320. And I assume the flickering was just that particular unit malfunctioning or maybe it was the overhead lighting causing the effect.

Today, anyway, I decided to go way past my budget and I ordered a 610 from Dell.

MP3 support on T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 3:21:21 PM #

The sony web site says the built-in MP3 player is 'optional'. What do they mean by this ? What difference with the N760 C?

RE: MP3 support on T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 4:15:33 PM #

I believe it means you need to purchase the optional headphones to get the MP3 Player to work.

RE: MP3 support on T415

Ed @ 11/23/2001 6:57:01 PM #

There is an add-on that allows the T415 to play MP3s. It is called the PEGA-SA10 and it sells for $130.

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News Editor

Vibrating alarm

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 7:06:03 PM #

I contacted Sony tech support (!) and they stated very clearly that the T415 will not have a vibrating alarm. Instead they made a big deal of its better sound system.

RE: Vibrating alarm

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/24/2001 11:46:13 AM #

I just bought one of these yesterday and it does indeed have vibrating alarms. There is a setting in the general preferences for having it off or on. I just tested it on an event and it did vibrate.

RE: Vibrating alarm

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/24/2001 1:06:20 PM #

Please set me straight on this. I have heard it does have vibrating alarm (definately) and it does not have it (definately). Which is it?

RE: Vibrating alarm

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/24/2001 1:41:49 PM #

the 415 absolutely positively does have a vibrating alarm. I won't shake loose your fillings but it will agiate your nipple in a shirt pocket. And the font fix is absolutely fantastic. It should ease some of the complains of the lack of contrast in the screen.

Some T600/T400 pics

edabe @ 11/26/2001 3:21:19 PM #

For the ones looking for some more pictures
of the new T600/T400, take a look at
http://www.clieclub.jp/T_photo/index.htm

edAbe

RE: Some T600/T400 pics

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/3/2001 10:24:33 AM #

All I see are T600 Pics on that page. Where are the T400 Pics? I know that they're essentially the same device with different screens, but I'm really looking for as many screen pictures as possible.

RE: Some T600/T400 pics

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/4/2001 10:05:14 PM #

The T400 is in Black.

Part II?

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/9/2001 2:09:25 PM #

Any idea when Part II is going to be up? I see that it is almost a month now from the original part I review.
Thanks!

Photos

I.M. Anonymous @ 12/9/2001 3:40:32 PM #

Since I'm a professional black and white specialty photographer, I'm looking for a pda that can show decent black and white images as photo samples. I was hoping the Sony 415 would be the one with its high-res screen, but it sounds like photos would look terrible...