Comments on: Sony Officially Announcing T615C and S360

Ending months of rumors and speculation, Sony is announcing two new additions to its line of handhelds today: the PEG-T615C and the PEG-S360. The star is sure to be the T615C, with its 320 by 320 pixel, TFT 16-bit color display and 16 MB of RAM. Despite this official announcement, Sony still has not specified an exact release date, only saying that it will be available later this month for $400.

The S360 has a 160 by 160 monochrome screen but also sports 16 MB of RAM. It will be available in February for $200.

Sony will soon be taking pre-orders for both these models on its website.

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Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:12:01 AM #

They really do a great job for their customers with product innovation.

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:10:42 AM #

Too bad they dont do a great job for their customers with that thing called customer service.

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:46:03 AM #

Admit it and give up, SONY is the WINNER now.

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:00:12 AM #

"They really do a great job for their customers with product innovation."

Only for those customers who continue to buy new handhelds from them. For those who bought S320s, they've added no upgrades or "innovation." So, if you want a disposable handheld, go Sony!

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:27:53 AM #

I was waiting for a shallow response. None of these units are disposable. I own a N710C (with OS 4.1s) and it fits my needs perfectly and is hardly disposable as you put it. I actually prefer the looks of the N710C over the T615C. So what if they upgrade and innovate regularly? They are meeting specific needs of each target market and killing their Palm OS competitors in the process.

It beats the pants off what Handspring and Palm have "innovated" in the past year. Which, the last I checked, is nothing that isn't already out there in some better form factor.

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:03:01 PM #

I was thinking...
Thease new models, they are just the same as the older ones (very much so in the case of the S360) but with 16MB of RAM.
Wasn't that exactly what handspring did with the Platinum a couple of months ago?

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:01:27 PM #

>Thease new models, they are just the same as the older ones (very much so in the case of the S360) but with 16MB of RAM.
Wasn't that exactly what handspring did with the Platinum a couple of months ago?

Well yes, but Sony didnt increase the price of the S300 series. At $200 i challenge you to name a Palm or a PDA which can do what the SS360 can do.

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:34:54 PM #

Upgrades for S320? Come on. I want an upgrade
for my Walkman please? :-)

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:44:08 PM #

"Only for those customers who continue to buy new handhelds from them. For those who bought S320s, they've added no upgrades or "innovation." ".

Upgrade? To what? Geez, man, it's a damn $169 pda, not an F-16.

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:57:49 PM #

"Only for those customers who continue to buy new handhelds from them. For those who bought S320s, they've added no upgrades or "innovation."".

Upgrade ?? upgrade what ?? You can upgrade anything on S320, but last time I checked, the OS of all palm OS Device from handspring can't be upgraded. Now who's more flexible for upgrade .

RE: what abt MP3

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 3:18:49 AM #

When ever is a thin n760c with MP3 and 16 megs ram coming out??

RE: Sony is Awesome.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 10:12:06 AM #

This guy can give you an upgrade from an s320-s360. http://www.pdaconcept.com/index.html. Your warranty will be void though. In fact, all 33Mhz chips can be upgraded to support 16Mb of ram.

PSSSST!

scouter075 @ 1/15/2002 9:14:04 AM #

Not to be outdone, Palm is sending e-mails to customers telling them:

"All we can say is that the newest Palm™ handheld is coming. Very soon. Stay tuned for more details."

Things are getting interesting.

scouter075@mindspring.com

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:18:38 AM #

The question is, is Palm referring to:

A. i705 Greyscale
B. i705 Color
C. m525
D. Something above with Bluetooth

If it's only "A", many will be disappointed.

RE: PSSSST!

scouter075 @ 1/15/2002 9:39:32 AM #

Agreed!

scouter075@mindspring.com

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:40:48 AM #

I think a sleeker-looking Greyscale Palm VII with 8-16MB aint gonna cut it. Color is King and B&W is DEAD.

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:11:40 AM #

No Voice No Buye.,,,why bother with the i705 when The Treo can do everything plus voice?

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:41:13 AM #

I agree, the TREO will kill anything that Palm comes out with unless it's priced 40% cheaper than the TREO upon launch. Who want's a Palm.Net device that's only additional enhancement is the ability to receive a message. For that, get a VisorPhone or TREO with SMS capability and boom you're there. The VisorPhone is FREE and available now. I use it to browse the web, check e-mail, etc. With the I705, it looks like this is not possible and everything goes through Palm.Net. Of course, we'll know officially once it's released. This is just speculation based on rumors, etc.

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:13:31 PM #

Will the TREO come with a memory expanion slot or the universal connector?

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:15:17 PM #

I am a current Palm VII user and hate that it doesn't have color. I use the wireless connection for work, but won't buy the i705 if it isn't color. I would rather buy an m505 with a connection to my cell phone.

RE: PSSSST!

Beavis @ 1/15/2002 12:53:14 PM #

m525

320x320 Display
66 Mhz Processor
32 Mb RAM
Enhanced Sound
Jog Dial

$429

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:09:49 PM #

really..proof?

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:36:51 PM #

"m525
320x320 Display
66 Mhz Processor
32 Mb RAM
Enhanced Sound
Jog Dial
$429"

This would be SWEET!!!

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:39:18 PM #

The only thing palm has even leaked is that IT IS a wireless device, goto to www.palm.com and it has a tell me more panel
Noctrop_d@yahoo.com

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:27:10 PM #

if you recall a while back there were stories about a wirelss palm - bluetooth is considered wireless to some degree - maybe it is the 525 device....

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:34:04 PM #

I wouldn't be to suprised by a greyscale I700 to followed by a color I705 like the M50x series
but palm does need to really up the ante in features and quality. But, they prolly wouldn't pursue bluetooth in this series just yet (think SDIO) it be a new toy for the strong-arm models to bump the price up, just me talking out my ....

"any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"...Arthur C Clarke.

noctrop_d@yahoo.com

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 4:44:11 PM #

320x320 Display   ok i could go with that
66 Mhz Processor   totally not realistic
32 Mb RAM    would be expensive
Enhanced Sound   dont think so
Jog Dial    hm....

$429

yes it would be sweet but i think it's not very realistic.
this handheld would be way more expensive than the price above.

SaxonMan

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:36:49 PM #

you know, the more i think about it, the more I'm assured it will not be the i705. Palm knows that we know its going to come out, but I feel they have a bigger suprise. Perhaps the m525?
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RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 7:53:39 PM #

m525

320x320 Display
66 Mhz Processor
32 Mb RAM
Enhanced Sound
Jog Dial

$429

There is no reason why Palm could not sell such a model for $429, except perhaps the Dragonball 66 MZ may not support 32 meg. I think they could really steal a march on the PPC crowd who think that Palms can't do what PPCs can (this one could do it all and then some), AND there would be no canibalizing of current sales as the price is in a different arena. I would even buy such a device if it were in the larger M 125 form factor. All the same peripherals form the M series would fit. A MMC slot antenae for wireless Internet or a bluetooth card could allow it to be the i705 that was promised. I would sure dig it.

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 8:23:00 AM #

320x320 Display ok i could go with that
>66 Mhz Processor totally not realistic

Already being made by Motorola. If they are not being made to go into Palms what is Moto making them for?

>32 Mb RAM would be expensive

Expensive? Most palmtops use memory that is virtually identical to PC133 that is selling wholesale in bulk for 10 cents per megabyte. No, not a typo, the memory in PDAs should have no effect on the production costs. It is all marketing garbage.

> Enhanced Sound dont think so

Handera and Sony do it now.

> Jog Dial hm....

Even HP can make a jog dial.

> $429

Price is right on the money.

> yes it would be sweet but i think it's not very realistic.
> this handheld would be way more expensive than the price above

Not realistic. We will see it by the end of March from Sony, Handera, and Palm.

RE: PSSSST!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/17/2002 8:13:09 AM #

the comment about the SDIO - it does not ahve to be on and SD card - it could be built in - as with the new ipaq - think about it - just a possibility.

What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:19:27 AM #

Please tell me what is interesting about the new Sony? Umm same old DATED os just a pretty ne case, very innovative. Didnt the Palm V come out almost 3 years ago???? Umm it was innovative then, now its just FUNNY!

Attention law-abiding cyber-citizens

sandbuck @ 1/15/2002 9:24:47 AM #

The best way to squash a troll is to IGNORE him.

RE: Attention law-abiding cyber-citizens

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:27:00 AM #

The people who constantly CRY "Troll" at every chance should be the ones ignored.

RE: What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:31:21 AM #

Sandbuck, agree with you all the way.

RE: What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:57:32 AM #

"The best way to squash a troll is to IGNORE him."

You did a good job yourself of ignoring him/her....

RE: What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:07:08 AM #

Please tell me what is interesting about your post? Umm same old TROLL, very innovative. Didn't you post the same message three months ago??? Umm back then it was lame now it's STUPID.

RE: What is interesting?

sandbuck @ 1/15/2002 10:10:10 AM #

Ignoring who?

RE: What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:53:38 AM #

Palm Inc. Lover @@

RE: What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 2:05:32 AM #

Are you retarded?
You must be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: What is interesting?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/17/2002 12:11:00 AM #

Did your Vx have a jog dial on it ? Do u think about, how to fit the jog dial within 0.5 inch case ? and Hi-Res came in slimmer case ?

Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:21:28 AM #

Nice going. Users of S320 Clies stll don't have an upgrade to the 4.1 release of the OS.

What is wrong with these people?

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:37:01 AM #

Get over it and buy a newer model.

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:17:14 AM #

What did you expect when you bought a Sony? These new models are already outdated anyhow, so I don't see what the excitement is all about.

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:35:38 AM #

Palm OS 4.1 is a bug fix...as a S320 owner, I see no reason why 4.1 is such a big deal over 4.0

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:38:23 AM #

The recommendation is based on the specs. Of course the unit must be reviewed in person before final purchase. Let's not get so nitpicky here.

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:09:18 AM #

4.1 might bring with it the MS Import/Export app. That'd be worth having.

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:16:49 AM #

"Palm OS 4.1 is a bug fix...as a S320 owner, I see no reason why 4.1 is such a big deal over 4.0"

Well.. weren't most of the bug fixes specifically targeted towards problems related to the Sony CLIE line? Or am I misinformed?

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:31:49 AM #

Hell, TRGPro and Handera users are still waiting for 4.0. So what are you crying about at least you got 4.0. We are still waiting for OS 4.0, a final release of AutoCard, a Handera smaller than a brick and a color.

Come to think of it Handera is screwed just too stupid in IOWA to realize it.

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

Quik_Fix @ 1/15/2002 11:43:01 AM #

Beg to differ, and agree.
Agree: Where in tarnation is my 4.0? They said it'd be around last year! And where's my autocard; I'm not dying without it, but I want it anyways.

Disagree: The 330 was a brick on purpose. They made it to fit and work with III-series peripherals; it's one of the reasons I chose it-I got to keep my PPK and not pay another $100 to replace it.
Also, Handera will probably never be color. They never claimed so and have no intention to; it's not their market. I'd like to see it, too. But it's not in the cards.
As for 4.0, we already have VFS and two expansion slots, so the only thing we're really missing out on is the ability to use Palm SD program cards (admittedly, this might be a big deal for some). I think Handera is still a good PDA if you look at it for it's market and what it's supposed to accomplish. If you look at it on the scale of color, multimedia, MP3, style, etc. then....well... it sucks. But you can't put all Palm OS PDAs on the same scale for different markets, can you?

As for the new Sonys, the 16mb color looks really nice. At this point the only thing my 330 has going for it is the voice recorder built in, dual expansion and virt. grafitti (sp?)... and price (I already own it, so it's free!). Someday I might upgrade, and something like the T615C would be the way to go.

...In accordance with the prophecy...

Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com

RE: Yeah... new models but no 4.1 upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:09:50 PM #

For those of you who shelled out 169 big ones for an S320 and are are now lamenting over how uncaring Sony has been in not offering an 4.1 OS upgrade...well, I feel your pain. Here are some of the better features offered in 4.1 that we are being screwed out of.

1. Enables S320 to be used as a pocket warmer.
2. Enables S320 to be used as an implantable cardeoverter defibrilator.
3. Enables the S320 to synch with all Phillips branded microwave ovens.
4. Enables the S320 to read barcodes through the IR interface.
5. Converts the S320 display to color.
6. Allows the user to employ a ball point pen in place of a stylus.
7. Enables the S320 to be used as a hand puppet (cover must be attached).
8. Enable the S320 to be used as an A-frame home for hamsters, mice, and gerbils.
9. Allows the S320 to use 5 1/4" floppies.
10. Comes with a $200 rebate.

Yeah...and just wait for 4.2!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:42:57 PM #

Not just the bug fix for the bug fix, OS 4.2 can be plugged into the cigarette lighter of any automobile to act as a personal chauffeur. Using a memory stick based razor attachment, it will give you the perfect haircut and can be recalibrated to give you a smoother bikini line. It will convert the old Palm VII into an FM radio, upgrade all your soft-cover ebooks to hardcover versions and allow you to input medical databases directly into your head (using the enhanced infra-red port, combined with Bluetooth) so that you can become a practicing physician. Perhaps then you'll be able to afford it.

What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:21:47 AM #

I currently have a Palm V. Does the S360 have a worse/same/better screen than the V? I really want the color, but $400 is still a little high for me. However, if the S360 isn't as high quality as the T615C, I'd want to put in the extra dough.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:24:18 AM #

Get the T615C. Spend the extra money and get the color and the 320x320 with free Docs to Go. You will enjoy it and get lots of use out of it so there is value in the purchase. If you don't get 320x320 and Color, you will always regret it.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:37:49 AM #

The S360 is a very good mono replacement for a V. I have the S320 and the JogDial really makes a big difference. Also, it feels nicer in the hand. If you can't afford color, the S360 is a great deal for you.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:46:55 AM #

My advice - NEVER GO CHEAP on:

1. Mattresses
2. Tires
3. Shoes
4. PDA's

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:54:45 AM #

Going "cheap" on a PDA would be to buy a Royal DaVinci. Let's not confuse price and quality. The S320/360 is a quality product at a great price.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:17:49 AM #

Cheap = wanting color but scrimping on it because of price.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:19:14 AM #

> Get the T615C. Spend the extra money and get ...

I can't imagine recommending a device that isn't even out yet, given how awful the T415 is.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 10:37:54 AM #

The S360 is the same as the S320, with more RAM and a different software bundle. No risk there.

As for the T615C, I'd recommend at least seeing it for yourself in a store. And *especially* asking to try the stylus (if you can try the T415's stylus, it's the same size and shape).

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

He||Raiser @ 1/15/2002 10:38:27 AM #

Well, my mom is a school teacher and she wanted something to do her grades on, so I convinced her to get a S320 and a Stowaway instead of a laptop. She's getting used to it, but the point is that unless you need color, the S series is of excellent quality. And for a sub-$200 Palm (I got my mom's online for $152 with tax and shipping accounted for), it's great.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

cypher76 @ 1/15/2002 10:38:51 AM #

I upgraded from a Palm V to the S320 over the summer, here's the pros/cons I've noticed:
1.) The S320 has a slightly smaller screen, physically. I haven't found this to be a problem, or even noticable, as it allows the S320 to have considerable less width than the Palm V series (It fits better in the palm of my hand). Also, the screen is much larger than the M1xx series, one of the reasons I didn't spring for a M1xx Palm.
2.) The jog dial is more useful than I ever thought it could be, a definite plus when deciding between a Visor or an M125.
3.) Internal rechargable battery, just like the Palm V. The S320 is the only "low-end" Palm to offer this. I would never go back to AAA's, this feature basically made my decision.
4.) Memory Stick slot, which may or may not be useful to you. Mine just collected dust until I got a Sony Digital Camera for Christmas. Now I keep the 4MB stick that came with my camera in the Clié, and store games and documents on the MS. 12MB of space is more than enough for many users.
5.) The S320 doesn't have a sync cradle, instead, it comes with a seperate sync cable and recharging cable. This is the only real downside to the S320 that I've encountered. But the battery lasts weeks without needing a recharge, and I don't sync often, so its not a big deal for me.
I hope that helps in your decision!

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:49:29 AM #

It depends on you.

Palm V:
Longer battery life, bigger screen (physically)
Matel and durable.
8mb and no expension slot, serial

S360:
Plastic and easier to get hurt, smaller screen.
but 16mb RAM+MS slot + USB.

I haven't seen the screen of S360. But the quality of S320's screen is as good as Palm Vx's.

A S320 user

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:59:00 AM #

Unless you need more RAM, I'd stick with the Palm V. In fact, you can probably get the RAM upgraded in it. Check out PalmPilotUpgrade.com and you could get it bumped up to 8MB. The Palm V is much better supported than any of Sony's offerings.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:39:58 PM #

For a palmV? Most likely, to maintain form factor, the m505 or m500. But the new slim clies are not too bad as well. I would just choose the m505 because it has the same style that I am used to and it has my fav expanison, SD. I use sd for my camera and such, very useful.
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RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:23:10 PM #

Heh...I'd go against the m505 and SD expansion just 'cause this *beep* that keeps spamming his site on here recommends it. Can't this guy get banned? Please?

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:28:10 PM #

You cannot get a memory upgrade for the Palm V. Trust me, I tried. At the time Palm developed this product (I purchased mine almost 3 years ago), they sacrificed expandability for appearance. I'm waiting for my new Sony T615C (Blue) to arrive in the store.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 10:31:42 AM #

> You cannot get a memory upgrade for the Palm V.

As I posted above, you can get it done.
http://www.palmpilotupgrade.com/about.html

Sorry to hear about your Sony purchase.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

Ronin @ 1/16/2002 6:22:30 PM #

Just to add, I had my Palm V (which was purchased within a week of the release date) upgraded by Tony Rudenko at the site mentioned above and he did excellent work. Aside from a little glue separation at the bottom the thing it is still going strong. And it appears that he still does the upgrade based on the information at his site. I don't now why he would discontinue the service since there are plenty of Palm Vs out there.

Good luck.

RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 6:23:30 PM #

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RE: What's a better replacement for an ol' Palm V?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 11:19:22 PM #

Whether or not you get a lot (it is two words, not one) of traffic from this site or not, your advertising is annoying. You have made it more than clear you have a website. Your comments are welcome, just take the tagline/advertisement for your site off of your posts.

So how about accessories

MobileMitch @ 1/15/2002 9:20:40 AM #

I am excited for the T615C, f it's screen is as bright as the other high res screens from sony.

Of course I think that before I would buy it I would want some sort of decent hardcase or hard flip cover face to keep the buttons from getting pressed in my pocket.

And does anyone know if there is a stowaway keyboard for this connector?

ED, cant wait for the review on this PDA, in particular how the screen compares to the other high res color sony units and how about that battery life?
Is it better or worse than my 505.

RE: So how about accessories

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:36:43 AM #

No keyboards have yet cropped up in Japan for the T series. Different connector. Takes some time for third parties to ramp up. I'd like the SnapNType slip-on thumb keyboard.

RE: So how about accessories

Ed @ 1/15/2002 9:40:42 AM #

I dropped a note to my contact at Think Outside asking when there will be a T series version of the Stowaway folding keyboard. I'll let you know when I hear back.

I'm also working to get review copies of the T615C and S360.

---
News Editor

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:20:50 AM #

In the meantime, SPUG.org has a review of the Japanese model. It doesn't look good on the battery life, but the screen looks pretty nice.

I think the 16 megs alone makes this model worth more than m505, then you add the higher-res screen, improved speaker and IR, and all the good software that comes with it - the m505 has no chance.

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:21:55 AM #

I bet you are! :-D

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:01:37 PM #

A Smartercase would work nicely with these!

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:47:32 PM #

<<It doesn't look good on the battery life, but the screen looks pretty nice>>

I couldn't help pointing this out but I don't know if you actually read the review at SPUG.org. Here's the first thing he says about the screen:

"The screen

Well as usual, nothing is perfect in this world. The T600C does sadly come with some flaws, the most glaring of which is the screen."

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:20:35 PM #

If the T615 follows the path carved by the 415, the screen will be a major disappointment. Couple that with supposed poor battery life, and it makes this upcoming PDA much *less* than the "ultimate PDA." I'm sure it'll be pretty nice, but let's get some perspective, people.

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 5:01:33 PM #

"I think the 16 megs alone makes this model worth more than m505, then you add the higher-res screen, improved speaker and IR, and all the good software that comes with it - the m505 has no chance."

As we know the battery life is less, it is probably taller (not too sure on this one), it is not available yet, and when it is available it will be A LOT more expensive than the m505. I do think on average it is a better machine (feature wise) than the m505, but for the reasons I mentioned the m505 still stands a very good chance.

I currently have a m505 which I am very fond of. Although I would like a machine like the T615C (or by the time it is available the m525, considering that it's going to take ages before the T615c comes to europe) I'm not going to spend a small fortune again. The upgrades are small compared to what's going to come out with the arm processors (this is my personal opinion, yours may vary) and I don't feel like spending a small fortune now, and then another small fortune when the palm os pda's with arm processors come out. I'll get the first small palm os arm color pda I can get my hands on though.

RE: So how about accessories

MobileMitch @ 1/15/2002 6:15:06 PM #

You know, thats a good point. (ARM palms comming soon)

I don't have any compelling reason to upgrade from my 505 to this new Sony. Maybe I will wait for the new ARM machines to come out. Guess it depends on how much a used 505 will go for on ebay once this new sony comes out.

RE: So how about accessories

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 8:32:25 AM #

BTW, about the cover and buttons being protected. All Sonys have a preference that allows you to set it so that the buttons don't work unless you press and hold the side button while pressing one of the front ones. This allows playing MP3s with the screen off and no possibility of them turning on and messing everything up as constantly happens on my Ipaq.

Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:27:41 AM #

My friend's N710C syncs way slower than his m505, saying the SONY implementation of USB is slower than the Palm's one. Can anyone confirm this?

And can any of you guys already with the T600 confirm whether they have made improvements in sync speed?

-W

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:33:25 AM #

Well, it also depends on how much info you are synching, right?

RE: Sync Speed?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:39:01 AM #

I have 1008 files stuffed into my 8MB S320 (<100K free!). It is taking me 1/2 hour to USB sync. Sigh...

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:03:26 AM #

what kind of system are you guys using? mac os 9, os x, windows 98, 2000, ...? my 610 syncs quickly on a w2k desktop with the sony bundled software (hotsync 4.0, usb switcher 1.1). i never timed it, but it doesn't take more than a few minutes to send ~8mb to the memorystick. those are large files though, maybe the number of files makes a big diff (1008 files? must be a nightmare sifting through them with mcfile :)

RE: Sync Speed?

He||Raiser @ 1/15/2002 10:28:03 AM #

Hmm... That's odd, my dad's N610 speeds through Hotsync. Maybe my perspective is skewed because I use a IIIc and serial is a helluva lot slower than USB.

RE: Sync Speed?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 10:40:07 AM #

Win98 SE.

I don't use McFile. 95% of the files are DOCs and are handled by SmartDoc (sigh... which has been obsoleted; and its Find function is broken under OS4).

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:58:10 AM #

don't sync. use msimport to connect with the pc as a mass storage drive.
i transfer 30mb of newspaper to the memory stick in less then 4 minutes every morning.

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:58:52 AM #

The sync time highly depends on the number of files, not only on the size of files.

RE: Sync Speed?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:11:10 AM #

I haven't gotten an MStick yet. When I do, a reader/writer is the way to go.

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:23:19 AM #

Hey mike, 30 minutes to sync is ridicolous did you accidentenly set the Backup attribute for all your files or something?

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:46:47 AM #

don't bother to buy an extra ms reader/writer. the t615 itself is the one. just put it in the cradle, run msimport in the 615 and an additional drive will appear in windows.

RE: Sync Speed?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:47:47 AM #

No, I have Backup bit set to OFF on 98% of my DOCs. What I think the problem is, is that SmartDoc under OS4 has a problem with that too, and so every bloody file is cycled through, whether or not it is to be backed-up. I will have to live with this until I get an MStick. (Not much longer!)

RE: Sync Speed?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 12:03:40 PM #

Well, duh! His comment must've been posted the same time as mine. Of course, the T615C has MS Import/Export. I forgot about that. Comes from not having it on my S320!

RE: Sync Speed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:30:20 PM #

The 710c w/ the original OS 3.5.X does sync slower than a palm w/ OS 4.1. Upgrading the OS will eliminate the need for the Sony supplied USB Switcher.

Mark

RE: Sync Speed?

Bartman007 @ 1/15/2002 1:19:15 PM #

The 710 does not have true USB ability. With OS 3.5.2 Sony uses USB Switcher which does a weird trick with faking USB through serial (not too sure about the details.) I can tell you that I flashed my 710 to a 760 and USB hotsyncs seem to be much faster but that may be subjective.

-Bartman007

Looks good

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:27:52 AM #

The 615 looks like a real winner - I am getting rid of my m505. The only problem here is the lakc of accessories - how will the 615 use presenter to go? Will Sony make the cf adapter available in Canada along with a modem? Currently there are no accessories available in Canada.

I use my 505 modem and keyboard alot so hopefully sony will get these products out in canada sooner than later.

RE: Looks good

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:40:05 AM #

Before you switch, go try it in a store. The stylus is quite thin and short and that might be a stopper for some people.

RE: Looks good

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:41:00 AM #

I really like my 505, but with the 16mb of memory, the speaker, higher res screen, ir remote, size it is hard for me not to switch - I can adapt to the clie, i'm sure - i used to use a palm iiixe!

Anyone ever use or have alink to pics taken with the memory stick camera module?

RE: Looks good

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:53:42 AM #

Reviews with pics from PEGA-MSC1 Memory Stick camera. In Japanese. The pictures are not very good!

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/palm/0111/26/f_hamacli22.html

RE: Looks good

sandbuck @ 1/15/2002 11:02:57 AM #

mikecane,

what other tidbits can you share with us?

On accessories, I would love a zippered case for this.

RE: Looks good

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:11:58 AM #

I haven't come across any zippered cases, even on Japanese websites. Most of the cases I've seen are of the "flap" variety that take advantage of the new way to "lock" the flap to the T-series. Like this one:

http://www.xigma.jp/new-clie/new-clie.html

RE: Looks good

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:24:33 AM #

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nXtClieClub/

Click on PHOTOS on the left, there's a couple MS Camera shots from our members.

RE: Looks good

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:51:53 AM #

Not impressive. But what *is* impressive is the direct T600 to N710 screen comparisons! Everyone should take a peek at

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y13C24C4

RE: Looks good

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:06:29 PM #

Try using a SmarterCase with these, you'll love it!

Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:29:53 AM #

Finally! I can't wait to see this. Will Best Buy be the first place to get them in again?!

http://www.cliesource.com should be where "It's on the shelf at (store/location)!" sightings are posted (this news item will scroll off way before then!).

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 9:33:59 AM #

But Mike, there's NO Virtual Graffiti!!!

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:40:46 AM #

Next model! The X615!

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

scouter075 @ 1/15/2002 9:40:58 AM #

I know that the 320 x 320 is superior to the 505's display. What about the brightness? Does the 615 suffer from the "always-need-to-have-the-light-on-except-in-bright-sunshine" syndrome?

scouter075@mindspring.com

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:48:13 AM #

That's the Big Question!

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

Ed @ 1/15/2002 10:13:12 AM #

> cliesource.com should be where "It's on the
> shelf at (store/location)!" sightings are posted

I'll post another article here as soon as these begin appearing in stores and shipping from Sony.

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News Editor

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 10:41:41 AM #

That's great! It'll make PIC the Place To Be to keep up on where it's being sold.

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:54:34 AM #

>Does the 615 suffer from the "always-need-to-have-the-
>light-on-except-in-bright-sunshine" syndrome?

Funny how this is seen as a fault. If you take a look at all other colour PDAs out there, the backlight is ALWAYS on as well!! Is this a fault? Or more like expected functionality.

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:24:02 AM #

Not on an m505. And that is the point people are trying to make. With the reports of just app 6 hrs of battery life, people are eager to see if the screen can be used like an m505's -- with the light off most of the time -- to squeeze more time out of the battery.

RE: Hallelujah!! The T615 is here!

martopiggus @ 1/16/2002 11:41:46 PM #

No, you can't see anything when the backlight's off, but minimum backlight is enough for everyday use. I never move the brightness to maximum, it's too bright for me.

Why not CES?!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 9:59:17 AM #

If Sony is releasing this now (and it seems they are, even if the ordering links are not up), why the **** didn't they show it big at CES just *last week*?!

RE: Why not CES?!

Ed @ 1/15/2002 10:15:20 AM #

I have never understood why many companies make big announcements at huge tradeshows. Unless you are the biggest announcement made there, your product gets pushed off to the side. The announcement of these two models will probably be the biggest technology news today and will get lots of coverage from all kinds of technology press. If Sony had announced it last week, it would have been somewhere below Microsoft's tablet PC and the new iMac.

Yes, the thousands of people actually at the CES could have seen them but that's a small number compared to the total number of people who will read about it because of all the extra coverage.

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News Editor

RE: Why not CES?!

Foo @ 1/15/2002 10:30:38 AM #

That's exactly what I was wondering. Sony bypasses the biggest show in town, only to announce it the following week? Odd.

RE: Why not CES?!

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 10:42:32 AM #

Ed makes a good point. But I doubt that was Sony's own thinking! Hah!

Simple. Because it was annouced in Japan already.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:05:25 AM #

I do not agree with Ed in the sense that it would get pushed off by other products. If your product is unique then it will be noticed. Look at Car Shows for example. Tons of concept cars are on display and they do not worry about getting less attention. Reporters like to compare notes and write what's interesting to them.

In this case however, it is a product that has launched in Japan earlier and site like this one has complete converage on its features and specs. Japanese like to have NEW stuff display at trade shows. My example would be E3 and the "Metal Gear Solid II" which was back about 3-4 months ago.

RE: Why not CES?!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:12:25 AM #

So why not announce it the week *before*, get all the press for that day, and THEN "the thousands of people actually at the CES could have seen them . I would like to hear what actual users think of it, not just Sony's PR. - rs

RE: Why not CES?!

Mojo @ 1/15/2002 12:19:53 PM #

Well seeing how everyone is throwing out an opinion I'll toss my own in.=)

I think that as people debate this, there is an underlining flaw that shapes a persons view. That might be the subconcious location of our ego... our self point of view that shapes how we interrogate the world around us. While the show is big what exactly is being presented to us? The argument about why or why it was not in the show has a lot to do on peoples perception of the product.

As the t615c is new to the states, and many parts of the world, its sybling has been in Japan for a bit now. Taken that thought in we might conclude that there is no reason to preform an elaborate product launch when the essence of what it is is the same product only now in a different region.

If you remove your view or accept a different perspective that Sony will always consider Japan their rightful home, then the large debut would have been during that time. My two cents... =)

RE: Why not CES?!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:19:04 PM #

I, for one, was hoping to see the T615C at CES. So for me, Sony's display was disappointing (not that it was unimpressive, just not what I wanted to see). I don't think there would have been an issue of the T615C 'getting lost in the crowd' of other products either. As there were very few PDA introductions at CES, I think reviewers and attendees would have made a big deal out of the U.S. debut of the 'smallest, color, Palm-based PDA'. But, oh well, what's done is done (or not done, in this case). Guess we'll just have to wait to see it in stores.

T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:07:16 AM #

I'm sorry, the T615 may be a bigger seller to people here who regularly read PIC 5 times a day, but for the average user, the S360 is the best hand-held out there, hands down.
Last holiday season, everyone that asked me which handheld to get was getting their first Palm unit, and every single one of them I pointed towards the S320. It has the most bang for the buck for the low-end user (who vastly out number the supposed "power-users" here at PIC), and the new S360 is only a better low-end model.
Now, granted, Sony would have to sell 2 S360's for every T615, but I still think the S360 will come out ahead on the bottom line.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

Ed @ 1/15/2002 10:23:11 AM #

My sentence structure may be been a bit convoluted but that's what I was trying to say in the article, that the S360 will almost certainly outsell the T615C.

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News Editor

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:31:47 AM #

Then what you meant was:

--Hopefully not lost in the shuffle is the S360, which
--while much less exciting than the T615C, will
--almost certainly outsell it.

The comma after the T615C makes all the difference.

Fine. I'll agree with you then.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:34:34 AM #

I disagree. People want color. If they want cheap, they will buy an m105.

I also predict all Greyscale/B&W units will be dead by end of 2004.

Yeah, There will be more Accord owners than Mercedes.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:41:36 AM #

And there will be more McDonald's customers than Ruth's Chris steak house.

As a beginner they may learn to appreciate Palm's interface, but I would think that since the learning curve is going to short, they would want to upgrade in no time.

After all the price difference isn't as big as accord vs Mercedes....

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:44:55 AM #

It is amazing how oblivious some people are to the numbers by which b&w/greyscale handhelds outsell color ones. The numbers are not even remotely close. Color devices are very tiny fraction of the current Palm handheld market, even for Sony.

Until we have inexpensive OLED screens, don't expect the current situation to change much. Current screens have pretty undesirable power and space inside the case requirements, and to be honest, none of them look very good.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

Quik_Fix @ 1/15/2002 1:30:43 PM #

From what I understand, this is true. Greyscale far outweight color sales. Color is considered a treat, a luxury, an unnecessary toy. When asked about color, many low-end users (funny that we call them that; they're still shelling out $200+accessories) will say, "Don't need it," or "Costs to much." However, I have also noticed that stating that we power-users are the minority is grounds for getting torched by some posters at PIC. We are the minority, though, and that's why greyscale will be around till OLED is functional and inexpensive.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
:-)

...In accordance with the prophecy...

Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com

RE: Color vs. Greyscale

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:54:59 PM #

Isn't it funny how we get continued proclamations from self-designed "industry analysts" (a.k.a. PDA nerds with no perspective who suffer from the fallacy of composition - "what's true for me is true for everyone"), saying that color screens with 320x320 resolution are the way to go. And yet, the hottest selling PDAs are all the "low-end" models--Palm m100/m105, Sony S320, etc.--with greyscale and 160x160. And the best-selling PDA ever, the Palm V/Vx, has the same specs. Palm Vx's aren't being produced any more, but the ones that existed are stilling selling, and selling well. It's not far-fetched to say the S320 is probably Sony's most successful model in terms of number of units sold. And PDA's haven't even scratched the surface of the market of, say, cell phones. Greyscale models with 160x160 should do just fine, in spite of the fact that YOU (the person reading this) may not want one.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:08:47 PM #

B&W Television sets were the #1 sellers at one time too.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:09:26 PM #

And so were monochrome computer monitors.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:28:16 PM #

Comparing B&W on televisions/monitors to PDAs is a ludicrous example of another PDA nerd trying to make a point they don't really have. A 13"-plus TV or monitor really reflects major differences when moving from B&W to color. FAR more differences than a 3-4" PDA screen will.

What's more, you're ignoring the bigger issue, which is nimrods like yourselves claiming that "greyscale is dead." When people were STILL BUYING B&W TVs, even though color was available, you didn't hear that B&W was dead. Well, LOTS of people are STILL BUYING PDAs with greyscale and 160x160. Eventually, they won't anymore, but that's a long way off. So stop trying to deny that it is.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

Ronin @ 1/15/2002 4:34:09 PM #

Just to add my 2 cents to the B&W versus Color discussion. I would note that Color TVs did not supplant B&W TVs in the vast majority of homes in America until they dropped to the price point that was comparable to what people were accustomed to paying for B&W TVs. The same can be said for monochrome computer monitors versus color monitors and, for that matter, the standard color monitor versus the LCD monitor. The closer a new technology comes in price and performance to the technology it is replacing the faster the adoption rate. Until then it is a luxury item and not on most consumer's plates.

So I would have to agree that B&W is far from dead and I think it would be foolish for any of the Palm manufacturers to limit their consumer base by eliminating grayscale models from their offerings until the cost of color is less and battery life is comparable to what you get with a grayscale equipped screen.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:07:42 PM #

Don't call me a nerd or a nimrod...I make 5-6x what you do, fool. The first digit is a "2" and it aint 20k.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:43:56 PM #

Before I get flamed, let me remind you guys its my thoughts, as we all have.
I don't think the s360 will sell very well AT ALL. Greyscale handhelds are NOT the future as I found out after buying my m500.
PDANature - http://pdan.has.it - Hourly refreshed pda news, reviews, commentarys, software, software update notices, features, etc. http://pdan.has.it

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:59:37 PM #

I have to agree the S360 is the better unit. I've always had a B&W PDA because I only use it a few minutes a day for scheduling, looking up a phone #, etc. I don't play games, take pix, etc. so the S360 looks like it will be my next PDA. But, I have to admit I was one of the losers who bought the Sony T415 (upgraded from Palm III) and could not believe the horrible, small and dark display. I returned it a week later and stll using my Palm III today. I'm wondering if I can sue Sony for the T415 because its display strained my eyes and caused me headaches, not to mention the shafted feeling buying a new PDA and actually being upset by it instead of being happy getting a new PDA. But the Clie S360 looks like a good deal and the memory stick will be interchangeable with my Sony camcorder and digital camera.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 7:15:19 PM #

WOW!!!!

What a bunch of tossers!!! Jeff Hawkins himself is quoted as saying the main limitations of handhelds are screen technology and battery life!!!!

Get a grip and get a life; monochrome will bew here for awhile, and color screens will improve and battery technollogy will likewise!!!!

PEACE!

GH DAVALL

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 8:35:46 PM #

People in top retailer in the UK were stating that colour 760 (770 in the UK) was selling better than mono=model. And hell yes, the moment I saw in my own hands its wonderful screen and dull dim crap that is used in M505, I made on the spot decision - go colour, so will other people.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:03:26 PM #

Just because you "claim" to make alot of money does not dismiss the fact that you ARE a nimrod. Money does not dictate intelligence. You definately have some self esteem issues. Use your money to work it out.

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:39:33 PM #

I agree with you. You can be a nimrod and have lots of money, or you can be broke and be a nimrod (no offense hon!) Hee Hee. Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in...and that is about all I have in my purse!!!

How about Handspring's statements?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 4:06:37 AM #

I was the McDonalds vs. Ruth's Chris guy. I think when Handspring said they were wrong in ignoring the color PDA market says something about the not too distant future.

Agree or disagree?

Another proof that the waves are changing.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 4:31:22 AM #

http://www.sonystyle.com.hk/clie/app/index.jsp

Norm

RE: T615 will NOT out sell the S360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 10:36:25 AM #

> Don't call me a nerd or a nimrod...I make 5-6x what
> you do, fool. The first digit is a "2" and it aint 20k.

Wow, what a typical Clie-head. Maybe you should buy yourself a realistic picture of what the PDA market is like. Yes, the rest of the world are just big losers because we don't run out and buy the latest, most expensive PDA every time one comes out.

Color vs. BW

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 12:46:45 PM #

Nice discussion. Just like any other electronic item on the market, PDA prices will drop so that by 2004 you'll be able to pick up a color model for the price of a B/W one today. For 2002, I think the s360 will be a winner much as the s320 was. A $200 PDA that's solidly built, 16MB w/ mem stick expansion, excellent looking screen, and a jog dial is very attractive to first and second-time buyers. The whole OS upgrade discussion seems rather pointless. OS5 isn't even going to run on our current PDAs and any other version from now till then won't be must-have.

Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:14:14 AM #

I thought by Christmas the 66mhz dragonball processor was going to be out. Could Sony have implemented it in the T615C? Or is that still a ways off?

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:36:24 AM #

I think on the Palm processor train, the conductor is yelling, "Next stop - StrongArm!"

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 10:43:47 AM #

Only if the train doesn't derail!

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

Beavis @ 1/15/2002 1:02:36 PM #

Psssssst. Palm will be introducing it in the m525

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

bcombee @ 1/15/2002 1:49:55 PM #

The 66MHz Dragonball SV (Super VZ) is currently sampling (small pre-production quantities are available, but final production parts are not yet out). Motorola is anticipating full production of these chips around mid-March. The Motorola CPU team will be at PalmSource, showing off the Dragonball line of chips, both the original 68K ones and the new extra-crispy ARM-based MX1.

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:26:36 PM #

66mhz in March. Do the power reqs for the new chip mean a bigger battery?

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

bcombee @ 1/15/2002 2:43:08 PM #

Motorola hasn't released characterization data for either of the new Dragonball chips -- from what I remember, I think the speed increase happened due to a process change allowing a smaller die, so I'd expect power usage of the SZ to be similar to the existing VZ.

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:10:07 PM #

uuuhhhhh, so like, you're saying that Palm won't be putting these things in the m525? huh huh huh huh huh

RE: Whatever happened to the faster dragonball?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 9:07:15 PM #

bcombee;

What is characterization data? The features of the 66MZ Dragonball are in PDF format on Motorola's web site. They include built-in SD/MMC support and a number of other updates. This is the end of the Dragonball 68000 line. A proud and wonderful ride it has been.

As I understand it, unless they all missed their ship dates, they are already being made and put into Palm OS 4.1 models as we speak.

MC68SZ328 : 66MHz DragonBall™ Super VZ Integrated Processor

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 9:46:36 PM #

Here it is:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S38F13D4

SanDisk MSticks

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 10:44:09 AM #

http://www.esend.com/sandisk/products.asp?value=MEMS&valueIs=dept

-- I haven't seen these in stores, have you?! With their MSRP, they are undercutting even Lexar!

(Yes, I know all about getting cheeeep MSticks via the Net. But we also need them in stores. This is a step in the right direction.)

RE: SanDisk MSticks

ssummer @ 1/15/2002 2:18:20 PM #

I've seen Sandisk MS's in several Best Buy's in South Florida along with the Lexars and Sonys. I think the 128MB stick was $15 cheaper than the equivalent Sony.

RE: SanDisk MSticks

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 7:17:38 AM #

Not quite underpricing the Lexmarks.

128 Mb Lemark MS available at ubuy.com for $45 until 1/31

RE: SanDisk MSticks

mikecane @ 1/16/2002 4:31:07 PM #

Can you read?! It was *MSRP* -- not some damned website with 3 execs and a bunch of illegal aliens stuffing boxes to mail. *MSRP* -- that's in *real* stores.

RE: SanDisk MSticks

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 4:37:05 PM #

>> 128 Mb Lemark MS available at ubuy.com for $45 until 1/31

Put down the crack pipe.

RE: SanDisk MSticks

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 10:11:45 PM #

Lexmark 128Meg Memory stick for 45.95 after rebate...
http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10297925

RE: SanDisk MSticks

J @ 1/20/2002 10:19:10 AM #

For what it's worth, I've seen the SanDisk MSticks in Best Buy and Circuit City stores in Northern Virginia

TechTV's ''First look''...

Foo Fighter @ 1/15/2002 10:45:02 AM #

Not bad.

http://www.techtv.com/products/mobilecomputing/story/0,23008,3368185,00.html

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

mikecane @ 1/15/2002 11:20:06 AM #

First Look?! I'm not convinced that they've actually handled one. That writeup was so generic as to cast doubt.

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

Scott @ 1/15/2002 11:33:05 AM #

I agree Mike. It looks like a sad attempt to try to appear like they're the first out of the gates with a review.

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

Scott @ 1/15/2002 11:34:27 AM #

Actually someone else stated that they saw this on TechTV (the TV show). So, maybe they did review one. In that case, it's just a lousy review with no details other than what can be obtained by looking at the specs.

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

Foo Fighter @ 1/15/2002 12:39:13 PM #

Mike, they also showed an actual 615 on TechTV's Tech Live news broadcast.

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

Foo Fighter @ 1/15/2002 12:59:14 PM #

Hmm...that's strange. When I first post a message, I get listed as "Foo". But after a few minutes, it changes my name to "Foo Fighter". Odd.

Maybe I should change my name to; "The Artist Formerly Known as Foo". =)

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

aardvarko @ 1/15/2002 2:40:45 PM #

Ah, and then you'd be 'The' for several minutes!

-aardvarko
webmaster at aardvarko dot com
http://aardvarko.com

RE: TechTV's ''First look''...

mikecane @ 1/16/2002 4:32:28 PM #

If they actually showed it on TTV and all they could do was that pathetic, generic write-up that offers no details, then it only confirms that TTV is not the place to go for real info. As usual.

UPDATE: TechTV's ''First look''...

mikecane @ 1/17/2002 10:06:32 AM #

TTV's above link now has a link to the actual *video*. The T615C's screen has an all-blue cast to it because they did not bother to color correct for the studio lights. But you can at least see it in action and hear what the speaker is capable of with polyphonic sound. Recommended viewing.

Still humbly awaiting the T415 in europe.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 10:48:39 AM #

I hope that Sony make the T415 and T615 available in
the UK and europe soon. The suspense is killing me!
At this rate perhaps the ARM processors will be out
first.

http://www.sonystyle.co.uk/ currently only has S300
and N770C available.

RE: Still humbly awaiting the T415 in europe.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:02:07 AM #

You don't want the T415 in Europe, unless people's vision there is 4 times better than the rest of the world. The screen is that awful.

RE: Still humbly awaiting the T415 in europe.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:51:31 PM #

actually your retinas must incorporate translating the INFRARED spectrum
to see that screen comfortably. Sorry Sony I like you but you goofed on T415.

Screen is fine for me on T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 5:47:17 PM #

Maybe it's because it's my first palm, but the Clie T415's screen is fine for me. It's price, feature set and size made it the ideal handheld for me.

RE: Still humbly awaiting the T415 in europe.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 10:42:45 AM #

Well, I guess if having the worst screen on a currently available PDA suits you that's fine. For your first Palm, I'd have recommended a m100, the screen is much, much more readable.

RE:

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/17/2002 2:45:46 AM #

Quote: Well, I guess if having the worst screen on a currently available PDA suits you that's fine. For your first Palm, I'd have recommended a m100, the screen is much, much more readable. /Quote

There is no problem with having "the worst screen" considering the fact that it's perfectly readable. There is a few problems with the m100. One, it's bigger and heavier than the T415. Two, it runs an older version of the Palm OS. Three, the OS isn't upgradeable, making number two worse. Four, there is no memory card slot. Five, it only has 2 megs of RAM. Six, it comes with a serial hotsync cable which is a no go with my computer because it only has USB ports (as far as palm compatible ports go). Seven, while the screen may be dingier, is superior as far as capabilities go (320 x 320 resolution). Eight, its IR port is vastly inferior to the T415 (and it doesn't come with software included to use it as a remote). Nine, it uses alkaline batteries (I don't want to buy batteries all the time). The final, tenth reason is its processor is much much slower. This may be my first Palm and I may be naive, but I'm not an idiot. The T415 has ten times the features of the m100. In fact, another reason will be relevant soon. I'm getting the MP3 adapter so I can use it as a MP3 player as well. Perhaps if you think for my well being I needed a "better" screen, you should have suggested the Clie S320, the Palm m125, or the Handspring Edge. However, none of these have the full feature set I wanted, making them a worse value. I'm still in shock that you suggested the m100.

Forgot one thing...

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/17/2002 3:16:09 AM #

... oh, and the Palm doesn't have a jogdial. It's like the scroll wheel on a mouse. It's completely addicting and makes things much more efficient.

AWESOME!! but.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:24:43 AM #

Where is the custom software? There are very few if any products out there that take full advantage of 320x320. And let's not forget about the N-series's dedicated 2D graphics processor.

Even withthout these, the T615 is a no-brainer purchase. But I'm ready for some really grouyndbreaking software.

RE: AWESOME!! but.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:29:57 AM #

What about it?

There's now about 10 hires games.
TinySheet, MiniCalc (excel) is hires.
there are TONS of picture viewers that are hires. (bmp/pgp/jpg/gif/pcx/img)

Several good launchers that are hires. (megalauncher, clielauncher, crslauncher..)

There's drawing apps, memoru, penpencol, etc..etc..

And with the help of hrfontmapper, you can make a normal app that's not hires into hires (not just the fonts but the whole freaking program hires)

check out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nxtclieclub/files for the software.

RE: AWESOME!! but.....

sandbuck @ 1/15/2002 11:46:09 AM #

Whoa!! Thanks for the resources!

Comparing Models

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:33:37 AM #

Hey People. I am using a Visor Prism right now. I have like a zillion accessories for it and would like to know is that is it worth it to switch over to the new Sony T615. I mean yea it must be nice and all but with the Visor you can use your omnisky modem and type usign the folding keyboard at the same time. Also is the memory stick slot really going to go away. Is stuff going to be made to use it. The Prism is nice for what I payed $230 but is it really worth the $399 for a new Pda? What do you think. Plz post comments here..

Thanks
Brian :o)

RE: Comparing Models

Scott @ 1/15/2002 11:35:45 AM #

I think not. But this is just my opinion. If you're using your Omnisky and liking it, there's no wireless options available for this series of CLIE. The one wireless option that Sony does have out is for the 320 series which is, in actuality, a PCMCIA adaptor sled which adds considerably to the size/weight of that device. The lack of wireless options for the CLIEs has been the main reason why I've withheld getting one. I'm currently using a Samsung i300.

RE: Comparing Models

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:44:26 AM #

I doubt the memory stick slot is going to go away. IN fact, people are anticipating 256MB and 512MB sticks this year.

Comparing The New 615 to My Visor Prism

goldbergb @ 1/15/2002 11:47:38 AM #

RE: Comparing Models

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:46:45 PM #

DO NOT make the switch, it is no where near worth it! You already are set to go. why start all over? I would wait for the WAVE of ARM pdas from the palmos platform to come out, before I decide on a switch!
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RE: Comparing Models

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 8:40:14 PM #

You will have to wait at least a YEAR for ARM based products, and 18-24 month for quality v2.0 products from Sony/Handspring etc. I say the best time to buy Palm based PDA is NOW. In 2 years you get a decent upgrade.

I have one stupid question?

peter167 @ 1/15/2002 11:36:24 AM #

Does anyone know that whether the new S-360 will support the new memstick accessories? I thought Sony announced that the memstick accessories will not compatiable with S series.

RE: I have one stupid question?

cypher76 @ 1/15/2002 1:31:25 PM #

On the Clié accessories page (http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/accessories/accessory-T.html), the MS Camera is listed as only being compatible with the N and T series

RE: I have one stupid question?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 2:04:19 PM #

I think the reason that the S series are not being supported is due to their lack of color and lower resolution rather than it being some kind of memstick hardware issue. Probably the software bundled with memstick accessories is written only for the hi-res color devices. Were some kind of developer info provided, I assume that shareware could be written to support the devices.

Presenter-to-Go from Margi Systems

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:49:11 PM #

What is Presenter-to-Go software from Margi Systems? I thought that was a hardware/software solution. There is no Presenter-to-Go Memory Stick hardware currently, only CF card, PC card and Springboard.

RE: Presenter-to-Go from Margi Systems

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 12:58:06 PM #

Okay. I answered my own a question.

"Sony enhances the package with Margi Presenter-to-Go for viewing presentations created in any application. Presenter-to-Go installs as a printer driver, so any application can be turned into a presentation tool."

From TechTV

RE: Presenter-to-Go from Margi Systems

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:11:27 PM #

What's more, I would think that Margi systems would be working on some type of MS add-on or possibly a sled that would allow the T615 to work as a presenting tool. With the enhanced IR, it would be a natural for a remote-controlled setup similar to that on the Margi Springboard.

Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:04:28 PM #

http://clie.idv.tw/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10172

Oh,my... what are you doing, SONY ??

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

tiger_bb @ 1/15/2002 1:27:11 PM #

i got the same problem..... luckily only one rusted little spot....

it's because the sweat from your hand...

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

Quik_Fix @ 1/15/2002 1:39:44 PM #

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this a big deal? Rust caused by hand perspiration? The T600 hasn't been out that long... how long did it take to rust? I know people still using Palm PILOTS (they are shameful and have asked to remain nameless); how are these things going to last if they rust out on you like a Yugo.

It's a scary thought, and ONLY A THOUGHT, but what if the rate at which they put out new handhelds is an indication of how long they are intended to last.

Just a thought provoker... Don't beat me!

...In accordance with the prophecy...

Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:14:01 PM #

This is great!! Just make sure you have a warranty. Everytime a rust spot appears, I'll go back to Best Buy and get a brand new T615. Not a bad deal...

THIS IS SERIOUS!!!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:18:45 PM #

If the electro-plated rail is rusting, SONY should recall them and postpone launching the product. WHO WOULD WANT A RUST MACHINE IN LESS THAN TWO MONTHS?????????????????????????????

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:04:01 PM #

> Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this a big deal?

Hey, what we are talking about is T600c , that poor guy just have it for two month only, not two years , OK ?

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:08:36 PM #

this is ridiculous.... for how people can trust a piece of rumor and blow it up a million times!

First of all, it is NOT rust on the side panel of T600C --- the side panel is made of PLASTIC with metal paint coating. That picture show paint falling off, which is quite often (I had the similar problems on Palm V and iPaq before)....

Next time, read the WHOLE THING before citing it!

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:16:32 PM #

That's the point, genius. If he'd owned it 2 years, a little rust after extensive wear-and-tear would be, at the least, understandable, though not expected. In 2 months, rust on a handheld, especially if it's due to hand perspiration/oil, is downright CRIMINAL. I guaran-freaking-tee that if this kind of thing were reported about a Palm model, all the pro-Sony flamethrowers who post here would be raking Palm over the coals about it.

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

Scott @ 1/15/2002 3:22:49 PM #

Oh, ok. Flaking paint is much better.

How did you get flaking on a Vx?

Let's hope they fixed the dust problem or we'll have flaking paint and dust. Woohoo!

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:34:32 PM #

first of all, I think that the faking paint is a defect too. Just don't agree with the "rust" accusation, which is much more serious for electronic device.

here is another picture to show that side panel is made of PLASTIC with metal coating:
http://www.hi-pda.com/cgi-bin/ut/threaded_show.cgi?tid=33719&pid=255709&age=0&bpg=1

as to V and iPaq paint, the color on V start fading (after 2-year usage) and the paint on iPaq arrowpad worn off after 3-month use!!!

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 4:36:56 PM #

You guys will fall for anything...I cant believe that people post this stuff here and are able to get everyone and thier grandmothers worked up about it.

RE: Rusted T600 !!??

mikecane @ 1/17/2002 10:09:11 AM #

Aluminum does not rust!

The 2 things keeping me from Turning my back on PALM

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:13:50 PM #

the 2 things thats keeping me from Sony is the up and down buttons and the 4 other buttons..its just too damn hard to push. and the availability of hardcases. Im not sour graping but once the 2 are solve.. im selling my m505 in a flash.

RE: The 2 things keeping me from Turning my back on PALM

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 8:41:49 PM #

Up&down buttons are really crap on 760/770, but I prefer to use jogdial which works in non-native apps too (Avantgo), so its not that big problem!

Flash ROM

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 1:56:55 PM #

Why is Sony providing only 4meg for flash? Am I mistaken or does the T-600 have 8meg? Inquiring minds would like to know. Thanks!

RE: Flash ROM

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:10:07 PM #

This question has been asked and answered dozens of times. The Japanese version of the Palm OS requires more memory because of complexity of inputting Japanese characters. The English version doesn't require the extra flash memory for this, therefore, 4MB flash instead of 8MB.

RE: Flash ROM

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:10:10 PM #

Given that Sony almost never does OS updates, I'm surprised that there is any flash ROM at all. You would think they'd eliminate it to profit a few extra bucks.

Design and Toggle switch

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:44:52 PM #

I actually like the design better then my 505 (which I have always thought was a cool design).

However, the downside of the new Sony design is the buttons, and particularly the toggle switch are awkward to use. I tried the toggle switch in the store and found it to be much worse then the toggle on my 505 or my past Palm Vx.

Other then the buttons, this unit is clearly the best Palm out there with 16 mgs of RAM and hi-res screen.

RE: Design and Toggle switch

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 2:58:01 PM #

I agree with u. my next palm will surely be sony (not T600 but the future models) but for now i am gonna stick with my m505. GPS are coming out and im pretty excited. i dont need the Memory stick GPS from sony since i have no space for maps knowing that i can fill the 16mb easily. i hope they will change thier design for buttons.

Claims of ''Vivid'' color

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:36:29 PM #

Sony's used "that word."

I remember when Palm pre-announced the m505 - they termed its color "vivid" and got slammed when the screen disappointed.

Sony's using the term "vivid," as well. Let's hope their screen isn't the color equivalent of the T415 or they, too, will get very deservedly crucified.

RE: Claims of ''Vivid'' color

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 6:42:01 PM #

i fact, the red colour in my t600 turns out to be brown instead.

RE: Claims of ''Vivid'' color

Scott @ 1/15/2002 11:46:27 PM #

I'm pretty sure Palm didn't call it "vivid". But they did use a word which most definitely didn't apply. Glorious? Brilliant? Can't remember.

RE: Claims of ''Vivid'' color

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 7:59:36 AM #

How about the other colors? How close does it come to being "paper white"?

RE: Claims of ''Vivid'' color

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 7:58:29 PM #

The T615 has a less "vivid" red color (compared to the N760/710/610), a pure red appears with a brownish/orangish hue. However, the white color on the T615 is a more pure white (compared to the N760/710/610, which appears slightly reddish).

RE: Claims of ''Vivid'' color

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 8:03:43 PM #

BTW the site I got this info from was here:
http://www.spug.org/reviews/rt600.htm
Also of note, the picture on the T615 is noticably sharper than the N760/710/610.

Remote and Pen

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 3:51:42 PM #

Does anyone have any details about the remote SW?
Does the Sony Remote sw either:
a. Only control _sony_ brand video equipment or
b. Have remote codes in ROM for other video
equipment, like JVC, Mitsubishi or
c. Is it able to "learn" from a manufacturer remote or
d. Would Omni Remote work with it?

Also, I _really_ love my Pentopia Chameleon pen.
Is the pen slot so small they will never be able
to make a pen for this silo?

RE: Remote and Pen

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 4:34:13 PM #

if sony can get one to fit, I am certain that if pentopia chooses they too can make one.

Get with it people.

RE: Remote and Pen

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 5:10:37 PM #

The remote software can be used to control non-Sony devices, but it is limited to the codes that it is preprogrammed to use.

It does not act a learning remote.

RE: Remote and Pen

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/17/2002 3:30:06 PM #

Get with it? What I meant is that the stylus is very small. I was
interested in getting a stylus that is also a pen. There are
limitations on how small a pen can go, and I was curious as
to just how small the silo was.

Thanks for the remote SW information. I wonder if OmniRemote
will support the new machine.

But not in Australia...

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 4:41:16 PM #

Apparently, Clie is still a four-letter word down here in Oz. We've yet to see the FIRST models!

RE: But not in Australia...

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 5:07:36 PM #

Clie is a four-letter word here in the US, too. So is Sony. So is Palm. Handspring, on the other hand--that has more letters.

RE: But not in Australia...

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 6:01:26 PM #

Good news! I rang Sony in Australia and I've been told that they'll be available in around mid-Feb. The guy I spoke to gave me his direct number and told me to call him in early Feb. No word yet on models or pricing.

I'm really hoping that the S360 will be selling. That thing looks like awesome value.

Sony Preorder link is up...

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 4:55:33 PM #

Not sure if someone already commented on this or saw it but you can now preorder the T615 off of Sony's website:

http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/615_index.shtml

It shows the item to be backordered and that the ship date is not available.

Well... at least progress is being made. Now can we just see some in retail stores so a final verdict can be passed....

Very Tempting

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:04:52 PM #

I don’t know, I really like the specs on this thing but… Can I give up my m505 with my 64mb SD card? Or wait for the ARM replacement this fall? To many questions and no answers.

RE: Very Tempting

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/15/2002 11:33:18 PM #

I'll wait for the ARM one if I were you.

Forget the ARM for now

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 1:35:50 AM #

How long do you think it will take for most of the Palm OS software out there to become ARM compatible? Think of how long it took for VFS support to become common. 9 months or so? You won't be able to run anything that hasn't been updated.

So, you plan to buy 1st generation ARM hardware and wait, wait, wait for the software to become compatible. Meanwhile, a second generation of ARM hardware will come out.

RE: Forget

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 1:54:32 AM #

I though

RE: Forget Arm (sorry about the last post)

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 1:54:56 AM #

I thought Palm said that most software would work on the new OS which is based around the ARM processor?

RE: Very Tempting

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 7:53:14 PM #

Yes...all software that complies with standard PalmOS guidelines will work with OS5. I believe they'll be emulating the Dragonball processor for compatibility with OS3/OS4 apps, similar to how Apple emulated the 68K processor when they switched to PowerPC processors.

Color 160x160 Display?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 12:07:25 AM #

I'd just like to see people's opinion about this. If Sony, in around 6 months, released a successor to the S360 with the exact same specs (plus perhaps a 66MHz processor, since it should be available then), except with the addition of a 160x160 color display (like the discontinued S500 which never made it to the US), with the same $200 price tag as the current S360...do you think people would go for this? It'd be a good way to introduce color to the masses, and if anyone will do this, it seems like Sony would do this. Just curious...

RE: Color 160x160 Display?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 6:52:02 AM #

waste of time and money

RE: Color 160x160 Display?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 9:35:56 PM #

Sony will be able to sell the T615C for $200 by next Christmas if they want to. Why spend all that effort making a color S series model that might not sell as well.

I was stunned when I was picking up in my bedroom last week. There was the August 2001 Best Buy circular. The Palm VX was selling for $300, the Visor Prism $400. Best Buy was selling VXs for $150 Thanksgiving weekend. The Prism is now selling brand new at Cosco for $238. We forget how fast prices can change.

RE: Color 160x160 Display?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 9:52:58 PM #

They already did make a 160x160 Color S-series device, the S500. The screen of the S500 got bad reviews, and ironically, the m505 screen uses the same basic technology as the S500...

Canada-T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 8:27:14 AM #

Sonystyle.ca has dropped the price of the T415 $100 this morning-this surely is a sign that the T615c is going to be available in canada soon...

RE: Canada-T415

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 10:50:18 AM #

That is still a pretty expensive doorstop. Is that not just the same pricedrop that appeared over the last few weeks in other countries as well.

What's the screen like?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 6:57:55 PM #

The pictures look great, but so did the ones for the 415. Sony has "real screen shots" from the 615, but that also just means that they grabbed a 320x320 image from the screen. We have yet to see the actual screen. Is it as dim as the 415?

RE: What's the screen like?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/16/2002 9:40:09 PM #

You can see end user pictures of the actual screen on the SPUG site referred to in many places above. It is clearly very much like the N series color screens. Sony may (or may not, I like the 415s screen very much) have messed up (or just gotten a bad rap) on the mono screen, but the color one is not going to be a deal breaker. The battery life may be, though the Sony site says battery life is only down 20% from the N series. Not a bad hit.

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