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As has been rumored since January, Palm has just officially announced two new color models, the high-end m515 and mid-range m130. The m515 is the replacement for the m505 and is quite similar, adding a brighter sidelight and more memory. The m130 is a color version of the m125. Both run Palm OS 4.1 and have 16-bit color screens.

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palm.com

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:40:23 AM #

Gee, and I was just going to point out that at this minute they are on the palm.com web site.

Palm Says Bluetooth is at Core of its Connectivity Strategy

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:56:38 AM #

Both Palm m130 and m515 handhelds will be available for sale on Thursday. Both have SD card expansion slots and wireless capabilities using the Bluetooth Secure Digital Input/Output (SDIO) card, which is priced separately at $129. The new offerings complement Palm's wireless-ready I705 handset, released in January.

Palm's $129 Bluetooth SDIO card is a stand-alone product that is already available in most international markets, the company says; multilanguage versions are scheduled to be available April 4. The Bluetooth card enables users to create a "personal area network," the company says, whereby consumers can wirelessly send data from their handheld to their Bluetooth-enabled mobile phone, laptop, or printer.

Palm Says Bluetooth is at Core of its Connectivity Strategy
http://www.thefeature.com/article.jsp?pageid=14160

Interesting 'Bluetooth and (not Versus) Wi-Fi' articles
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8685

thanx, great info. check palm bluetooth page

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 5:36:59 AM #

Experience true connectivity, without the burden of wires. Discover Bluetooth -- technology that makes it easier to communicate, collaborate and connect.

Bluetooth links your Palm™ handheld to other nearby devices, such as mobile phones, laptops, printers, accessories and even other Palm handhelds. It's like having a universal remote for the kinds of devices you use every day. And it's as easy as switching on the lights.

What Bluetooth can do.
Think of Bluetooth as a wireless USB technology. It supports both point-to-point, and point-to-multipoint connections. This enables you to connect with a single device, a single person, or several people and/or devices at once.

Perhaps you're on the road and want to access the Internet. Your Bluetooth-enabled Palm handheld and mobile phone (you pick the carrier) make great companions. Bluetooth establishes a connection between your handheld and mobile phone wirelessly, so you can browse the web or check your email. Your mobile phone can even automatically dial any number from your handheld Address Book.

MORE
http://www.palm.com/wireless/bluetooth/

cool blueteeth stuff

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 5:42:06 AM #

where can i buy the blue tooth sd card? i can't wait, i want it now.

m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:46:56 AM #

The m505 has been retired according to Palm's website, as it is now residing in the Hall of Fame. I guess Palm *did* realize how pathetic the screen was, only 8MB of memory, was eager to shove it under the rug.

RE: m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:54:32 AM #

Really? Hrm... I wonder how this works out for people who buy into those Extended Warranty dealies? Break my m505, take it in, oh no... m505 doesn't exist anymore, guess you'll have to give me a new m515 instead. Hee hee.

RE: m505

kevdo @ 3/4/2002 2:32:55 AM #

Palm has also dropped the price of the m500 by $30 to $299.

-Kevin Crossman

RE: m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:29:27 PM #

ya gotta love extended warranties... it got me 7 new m505s (damn USB) and now a new m515

Lack of the Small Sun

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:45:43 AM #

Goto http://www.palm.com/products/palmm515/ and click on link 3D-Model. You can see a quarter of a sun at the upper right corner of graffiti area.

RE: Lack of the Small Sun

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:38:01 AM #

There is also something in the upper left corner of the graffity area. What is it?

RE: Lack of the Small Sun

Ssgelm @ 3/4/2002 8:36:28 AM #

That is the clock icon.

Cranberry

dmoody @ 3/4/2002 12:50:08 AM #

I loved the color and wished that the m515 on the Palm site would have such options when it rolled out...

Nope! 8-(

So it's off to Best Buy for the 2 yr ext. warranty and my 515.

More after a few days of road show...

RE: Cranberry

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:04:01 AM #

I want a BLUE m515 to replace my Blue Palm Vx. PAH-LEEZ Palm!! SOON!!!!

RE: Cranberry

Siraris @ 3/4/2002 10:15:10 AM #

You mean your 3 year plan on the 515 :)

I love the 515, it's absolutly fantabulastic!

RE: Cranberry

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/20/2002 3:04:26 PM #

I bought my 515 at BestBuy also, and they agressively pushed the extended warranty. Do you think it is better than the extended warranty offered by the manufacturer?

Bragging

Ed @ 3/4/2002 1:28:44 AM #

I couldn't resist pointing out that the original story we ran way back in January on these models was correct in almost every detail.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2864
Not too shabby.

---
News Editor

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:55:52 AM #

I wonder if the guys who questioned the integrity of that story now have the balls to make an appology!

Marco Schouten.

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:42:21 AM #

Man, you're right...not too shabby at all. Can't wait to see what info you dig up for future releases of Palm.

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:42:40 AM #

Of course the vidiots who denied the story will never come back apologizing. Why? It's in their nature to be stupid.

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:06:25 AM #

Don't hold your breath. The idiots are paid to complain, to spread uncertainty and doubts; not to apologise.

Mike Mace promised us some exiting new products. Well he was true to his word.

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:34:51 AM #

Keep it good work up Ed!

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:18:56 PM #

You da man, Ed!

RE: Bragging

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:17:28 PM #

Good job nailing the m515, can't wait until you get some dirt on the release of OS5

RE: Bragging

jjsoh @ 3/4/2002 11:04:44 PM #

Ed, you suck and it was just dumb luck.

Nah, just kidding. ;^)

Your bragging rights were well deserved. Thanks for constantly posting up to the minute articles on all Palm related news (especially for the excellent PalmSource coverage). Keep up the great work.

If it wasn't for slashdot, you'd be my home page. ^_^

(Oops.. forgot to post anonymously.)

congrats Ed

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/4/2002 1:40:02 AM #

I would like to congradulate Ed on bringing us the most up to date and accurate information about PDA's on the net...he posted this last article just after the release, while other sites, pdabuzz.com, pdageek.com, etc... had nothing...when the other guys sleep, Ed is in top gear, waiting to pounce on the news...Good job Ed!

RE: congrats Ed + Gordon

rigter @ 3/4/2002 3:22:52 AM #

Yep Ed, spot on.
Great job.

But let's not forget Gordon from Edinburgh.
He was here last week, participating in most discussions around the new Palms. It's his birthday today. There you go mate...
(btw, did Palm send you a new 515 as a birthday gift?)

Cheers,
Jan

/*
One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse.
*/

RE: congrats Ed

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:39:14 AM #

Poo! on those other so-called PDA sites. Me thinks Ed site is the numero uno compared to PDA Buzz, Brighthand, etc. Ed's site is just the best...that's why I'm always here, LOL!

RE: congrats Ed

bradleyboy @ 3/4/2002 7:12:22 AM #

I am grateful for Ed and thinks he does a great job on the site, too. I want to point out, though, that PDABuzz did not sleep through the story. Their post on the official release was 12:15 am. So I don't think your poo-ing on it was completely justified, lol!

Peace,

bradleyboy

RE: congrats Ed

bradleyboy @ 3/4/2002 7:15:48 AM #

ooops. I see that I have combined the "other guys are asleep" person with the "poo on them" person. Sorry about that. My point stands, though.

RE: congrats Ed

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:02:04 AM #

Yes, and Brighthand actually posted hands-on reviews of both devices just after midnight. Seems they had the devices before all of us.

Happy Birthday Gordon from Edinburgh

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:24:36 AM #

The Playboy Bunny is on her way.

RE: congrats Ed

gaardii @ 3/4/2002 9:38:48 AM #

Dear Jan and Anonymous,

Thanks very much for remembering! Unfortunately I have not yet received a new handheld from any manufacturer, but the day's not done! Oh, I'm especially pleased about the Playboy Bunny on her way. The problem is: what do I tell my wife? Suggestions?

Gordon from Edinburgh
*Can't think of a good Palm pun today*

RE: congrats Ed

gaardii @ 3/4/2002 9:46:10 AM #

Oh, thought I should add - Well Done, Ed! PIC is the best Palm user site on the whole web. Big pat on the back for you! (and I'll save you a slice of birthday cake - party starts 7.30pm GMT at my place).

Gordon from Edinburgh
*Eyre's Rock but Palm Springs!*

RE: congrats Ed & Gordon

rigter @ 3/5/2002 4:14:58 PM #

Hmmmm....

Maybe you should show your wife this amd other threads
She will never believe you anymore about this 'lots of hard work to to, dear' thing anymore though... It's the dishes for you every night after that Gordon.. ;-)

Cheers and don't get too plastered,
Jan

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One thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse.
*/

Aussie ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:25:59 AM #

Anyone know when they will become available in Australia ?

RE: Aussie ?

IanJD @ 3/4/2002 4:21:29 AM #

Or Europe?

RE: Aussie ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:26:48 AM #

Well Dixons (Slough UK) had one locked behind a glass cabinet on Saturday. Wouldn't let me look at it and didn't have a price on their computer for it as "It's not been released yet" they said.

So my take is that it'll be available in some numbers in the UK this week (although the UK portion of the Palm Web site hasn't any details yet ... 9.25am 4th March).

RE: Aussie ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:29:58 AM #

Sorry - I refer to the Palm M515 (didn't see the M130)

RE: Aussie ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:39:53 AM #

Yes, and I can't wait for the m500 price drop to come through to Aussie RRP (so-called 'recommended retail price', which is virtually mandatory). The m515 sounds great but I don't need the colour screen - so m500 here I come!

RE: Aussie ?

IanJD @ 3/4/2002 8:30:53 AM #

In the UK, www.expansys.com and www.dabs.com are now listing the m515, at just over £320, the former are inviting pre-orders, dabs are taking orders and listing March 12th as expected delivery date.

RE: Aussie ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/7/2002 11:19:42 PM #

The Palm M515 is available in Australia as a NON-import model, with full Australian warranty, etc from www.ozemobile.com . It is not advertised on their site yet, but you can pick it up by contacting tcrichton@ozemobile.com . The price is $999 plus postage and insurance (usually ~$15). They ship to anywhere in Australia. This is a very competitive price and is on par with the cost of the M505 in most places.

What will be the next Palm device?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:46:14 AM #

Since PalmInfoCenter was so good at predicting the m515/m130, what hot new device(s) will Palm be coming out with next?

RE: What will be the next Palm device?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:33:37 AM #

I don't think it'll be anything revolutionary until OS5, but Palm did oddly leave a gap in there numbers for the m5xx series. I think a m510 will be out soon (16MB ram m500), maybe built in BT? :)

RE: What will be the next Palm device?

ColonelKlink @ 3/4/2002 10:40:27 AM #

m525, same as m515 but built-in bluetooth, OS 4.1
m135, same as m130 but 16 megs of RAM, OS 4.1
i715, color i705, still 8 megs, OS 4.1
m900, Treo competitor, b&w, 16 Mb, SD, color m905, OS 5
m300, mid-range multimedia palm, color, 16 Mb, MP3, dual SD, (looks similar to i715, but shorter rounded top.) StrongARM, OS 5

RE: What will be the next Palm device?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:47:25 AM #

Since PIC is so good, it would let us know as soon as it gets details, and you would see it on frontpage, no need to beg for details here, right?

Replace m505?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:08:04 AM #

Is it possible to replace the m505 with the m515? I just bought my m505 a couple of weeks ago.

RE: Replace m505?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:43:45 AM #

If you bought the m505 in a store and still have the original packing material and receipt, you should be able to return it and exchange it for a m515.

Display comparison pictures m130 m515 m505 clie770

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:33:31 AM #

Not much words, but meaningful pictures:
http://www.pdaforum.de/displayvergleich/

RE: Display comparison pictures m130 m515 m505 clie770

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:47:18 AM #

With the m130 being much brighter than the CLIE, Sony's apologists will no doubt start complaining about Palm not issuing sunglasses, the screens causing retina damage, etc!

RE: Display comparison pictures m130 m515 m505 clie770

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:23:33 AM #

LoL ... funny that you are comparing a totally new PDA to a PDA released a year ago. And you know there's so much brightness you'll need, but seriously the brightness of the old Palm M505 just pathetic. Just by looking at the pic, I'd say the M130 got a really bright screen, that's good news, but again it doesnt have a high res screen.

Bravo Palm, you released the palm that you should've released a year ago.

RE: Display comparison pictures m130 m515 m505 clie770

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:25:31 AM #

I'm not sure the m130 looks much brighter then the clie...now the m515, that's another story!

RE: The clie's still brighter

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:05:58 AM #

I just compared all of the devices.... clie n760, t615 and palm m505, m515, m130 and visor prism....
the prism is the brightest followed by the clie n760, t615, m515, m130, and last m505......
actually the t615 and m515 arent too different.

Switching from 505 to 615

jsbx @ 3/4/2002 11:21:26 AM #

I am going to take a gamble and try the sony 615c for a while. I have been using palm for many years, but figure the only way to get a good idea about the different products is to try them out for myself.

I sold my 505 on Friday and placed my order today from the US (I am in Canada) as the 615 is not available in Canada.

Based on the price I bought at, even if I don't end up liking the clie, I will be able to sell it for a good price up here and swithc back to the 515. The 615 will be an easy sell up here as people are worried about ordering from the US online etc.

So I will post back from time to time, on my impressions of the clie and to let you know if it was a "good" decision.

Keep up the great work ed.

RE: Display comparison pictures m130 m515 m505 clie770

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 1:03:17 AM #

Just bought an M130 (in Canada, $450 CDN). Very impressed with the colour screen. Its great without the backlight and brilliant with the backlight. Compared to my Vx, the styling/feel is a little cheap, but then again it is a colour, expandable Palm which cost me less than my Vx did.

Digitizer works perfectly, by the way.

Martin
martin.redfern@ipsos-reid.com

European charger - Palm Store ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:55:59 AM #

Is it possible to buy Palm m515 on american site (store.palm.com), but with europan charger ? Or maybe with universal charger, like this from Palm V... I just don't want to wait for europen site. They are usually late with new models.

RE: European charger - Palm Store ?

IanJD @ 3/4/2002 5:24:30 AM #

No, Palm US won't sell overseas, and they clamped down heavily on US retailers doing so about a year ago. I'd definitely recommend buying locally in any case with a new model; I went through 4 m505s in rapid succession, I wouldn't have wanted to ship each one back to the US. The main drawback with the Euro versions is the lack of Flash space because of all the extra languages, but JackSprat sorts that out very nicely.

Ian Davenport

RE: European charger - Palm Store ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 1:38:36 PM #

Just visit www.palmdirect.com the European store website. The new products are online.

RE: European charger - Palm Store ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 5:13:22 AM #

Well, sorry for sending this one twice. Hope Ed can remove it. It's just not enough of morning coffe at work :)

text error

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 5:57:20 AM #

'According to Palm, it will last for a week on its lithium-ion battery, with "normal" use. It doesn't have flash ROM, which menas the operating system can't be updated, though patches can be applied. '

you might want to change the spelling of 'menas', Ed.

Cheers

RE: text error

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:14:27 AM #

The m505 had Flash ROM, why doesn't the m515 have Flash ROM. Is this true or is this a typo, where on the Palm website did it show this?? Can someone point an exact area on a url!? UGH!!!

RE: text error

mfs @ 3/4/2002 8:45:15 AM #

He is reffering to the m130 not the m515.

RE: text error

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:45:21 AM #

m515 HAS upgradable Flash ROM according to:
http://palm.com/products/family.html

RE: text error

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:47:37 AM #

Go here:

http://www.palm.com/products/family.html

It shows a comparison of Palm Products. As you can see the m130 doesn't have upgradeable Flash ROM but the m515 does.

RE: text error

ColonelKlink @ 3/4/2002 10:49:11 AM #

It's nice to have flash ROM, I have an m505 and store programs in there with FlashPro. It can be a hassle if you do a hard reset and forget to take the programs in ROM out of the backup directory.

As for OS upgrades...how useful is that? Just like OS 4.1 upgrade for my m505....

RE: text error

Altema @ 3/4/2002 2:06:10 PM #

ColonelKlink, I keep apps in ROM also, but I've only had to do a hard reset once. I found a few work arounds, like removing the apps in rom from your backup directory before a restore.

You can't do this when restoring from the Palm Backup card, so you just have to hope you have enough free RAM! One thing that seems to work even better than the Desktop restore or a Palm Backup card restore is the restore function in McFile. It only copies the RAM files and not the ROM files. Even though McFile issues a warning that the backup may not be reliable, it has worked perfectly every time. You need to have McFile in the launcher folder on the card in case you want to recover from a hard reset while away from your desktop computer. McFile seems to tolerate being in RAM AND the card with no conflicts. The drawback with McFile, is that it seems you cannot use it to load a new device when upgrading like you can with the Desktop or Palm Backup card.

RE: text error

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:22:16 PM #

uhhh, what would you use flash ROM for? I mean, it's primarily there to upgrade the OS but - since PalmOS 5 won't run on non-ARM devices, then you can't upgrade to it. I suppose there might be a 4.5 in the time between now and OS 5 (early fall as i understand it) but that probably wont offer much and besides - based on Palms recent approach - they'd charge you $39 bucks for it. So unless there is 3rd party software that you want to use that makes use of the flash ROM(such as ColonelKlink and Altema mentioned), then its not really a relevant consideration anymore, until OS 5 devices.

RE: text error

jjsoh @ 3/4/2002 11:26:38 PM #

> I mean, it's primarily there to upgrade the OS but -
> since PalmOS 5 won't run on non-ARM devices, then
> you can't upgrade to it. I suppose there might be a
> 4.5 in the time between now and OS 5 (early fall as
> i understand it) but that probably wont offer much
> and besides - based on Palms recent approach -
> they'd charge you $39 bucks for it.

Not necessarily. Based on what Palm has listed on their site, your theory about an OS 4.5 would be off. For current Palm owners with OS 4.x, this would be considered an UPDATE, which means it's free for download. However, for other Palm devices running OS 3.x, then of course, it would be considered an UPGRADE and would have to be purchased.

See for yourself by visiting their site at http://palm.com/support/downloads/update353.html and clicking on the links for 3.5.3 and 4.1.

Of course, Since Palm has yet to offer existing OS 4.0 owners the chance to download a OS 4.1 update, MY theory may be off as well.

release date ???

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:24:56 AM #

hey,
when will palm release the 515 in germany?
the 130 will be released in april....

RE: release date ??? Germany

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:32:42 AM #

Hi,

you can order the m515 in Germany from www.delineo.de in their onlineshop for 505 Euro!
They've got good service! I ordered it 10minutes ago and should receive it by end of the week!

Happy Greetings

Thomas

RE: release date ???

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:34:03 AM #

They are already available:
http://shop.delineo.de

RE: release date ???

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:50:53 PM #

just ordered one...thanks !!!!!!

m515 display problems

bradleyboy @ 3/4/2002 6:30:51 AM #

Well, I picked up my m515 at CompUSA yesterday afternoon, and all seemed to be right with the world, until...

two things, actually. First, I notice some faint "banding" horizontally across the screen; there are some variations on the whiteness of the display in several rows of pixels. This seemed minor, as it is barely noticable. But I also see now that when I use an app that displays colors across the screen (SplashPhoto, Zap2016) that I have two "stuck" pixels. One of them only seems to display red (or white) and the other only blue. Again, this is barely noticeable, but enough to bother me. And I have no idea if something like this has the potential to worsen, so back the m515 goes for an exchange. Sigh...

Peace,

bradleyboy

RE: m515 display problems

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:45:36 AM #

Exchange immediately.
If the pixels seem bad, then they can only get worse (i.e., dead pixels).

RE: m515 display problems

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:46:06 AM #

I'm looking at my newly acquired m515 and I don't see the problems you mention. If it's causing you so much distress, I'd take it back if I were you. If it's to the point where you can't sleep nights...I would return it.

RE: m515 display problems

bradleyboy @ 3/4/2002 7:07:30 AM #

Yeah, well two bad pixels with no assurance that the problem won't "spread" or worsen isn't enough to keep me from sleeping, but it is enough for me to exchange. I suppose we all have differing tolerance levels for defects. To each his/her own.

Peace,

bradleyboy

RE: m515 display problems

IanJD @ 3/4/2002 8:35:01 AM #

I had this with two m505s last year, the best test is somthing like PixelTester, freeware from palmgear. For what it's worth, after I jettisoned the m505s with this, the replacement hasn't developed anything similar, so I suspect this was a fabrication/QA problem.

RE: m515 display problems

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 6:02:53 AM #

When I bought my m505 in May 2001, it had a pixel stuck on red in the upper left corner, so I exchanged it for a new one; the new screen sucked (USA), exchanged again for another USA, screen worse; exchanged for ANOTHER one (Hungary), VERY dark yellow screen, useless. So, ultimately, I went back yet again and exchanged it for - you got it! - the oritinal one with the stuck red pixel (fortunately, they hadn't yet sent it back). The stuck pixel hasn't bothered me as much as Palm's lack of concern for the customer, reflected in piss-poor quality control/engineering (not to mention some aspects of design!). Now, though my geek side and wallet both say "Go for it," I'm kinda afraid to get the m515 for fear of more unnecessary and stupid problems such as this, and others (USB). Damn! If only Sony made PDAs for Americans larger than 5'2" with fingers larger than small pencils!

Betcha the m515 problems start pouring out of the... SD slot (as opposed to the "woodwork," respectfuly, for those of you too young to know that saying or its derivation).

Graffiti area

Ambassador @ 3/4/2002 6:41:34 AM #

Ed,
It might be worth mentioning that the Graffiti area on the M515 is not back-lit like the M505 was. That was a major dissapointment for me and has caused me to re-think the purchase of a M515. I really want this and may now wait for the next model. My old IIIx that is expanded to 8 meg is still OK for what I do... If I can't see to write a note at night then color is not nearly as exciting!

RE: Graffiti area

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:52:15 AM #

There are some hacks out there (MiddleCaps is one of them) which address this issue. The basic idea is that they insert three small dots at the bottom of the screen, just above the the borders of the silkscreen area. With the backlight on, you can use the three dots to delimit the left and right edges of the graffiti area as well as the alpha/numeric border. These hacks might be worth a try.

PS. If you haven't already tried it, X-Master is a very good hack manager program.

RE: Graffiti area

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:25:24 AM #

My mistake. I see now that MiddleCaps inserts only one marker above the alpha/number border.

Graffiti Here Hack (available at freewarepalm.com and probably www.palmgear.com) inserts three dots in the way mentioned in my previous post.

RE: Graffiti area

Ambassador @ 3/4/2002 8:47:12 AM #

I tried the dot thing (might have been Graffiti Hack I don't remember). It just was not good enough for me... Too bad I'm picky, guess I'll have to bear with it or wait for the "perfect device."

RE: Graffiti area

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:01:14 AM #

I have to agree. I loved the lit graffiti area. I bought the m515 and was very bummed out when I found out it wasn't lit. It is such an issue for me that I returned the m515.

Ed - in your dealings with Palm, what are they/will they do about offering a lit graffiti area? I am glad I'm not alone with this issue.

RE: Graffiti area

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:06:10 AM #

Since the m515 screen is much brighter than the m505, there is enough of a "flashlight effect" with the m515 to brighten up the graffiti area in the dark.

RE: Graffiti area

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:05:01 PM #

I vote (with my $'s) with you guys. I have an m505 and I bought a Sony T615. For a variety of reasons I took it back. The reasons were: No back-lite Silk Screen, unusable front buttons (even more bizzare given the great Jog-Dial), poor battery life and awful synch software. I was considering upgarding to the m515 but based on this alone I will wait for the next new model...when ever that will be (OS5 probably).

Neil

RE: Graffiti area

tsinvest @ 3/5/2002 6:52:29 AM #

Ditto, the brightness of the M505 never bothered me and I much rather have the lighted graffiti area than a brighter screen - I will wait too for the next model which may be out prior to the end of the year - remember os5 will be out prior to the end of the year so I am sure new product will be out then too.

Regards, Tom S.

any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:40:33 AM #

It's time to upgrade my trusty Palm, and I really want an ultra-thin device (like Vx or m505), but with a hi-res screen. I don't want to go Sony, Handera is way too bulky, so I was hoping that Palm would produce one... Now that they rolled out this pathetic 515, my only hope is Visor -- any rumours about hi-re device from them? Or maybe Hadera has something in their plans?

RE: any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:50:30 AM #

Handpsring stopped making new models of Visors already.

As somehow you don't like Sony's products, Maybe you could "upgrade" to a Nokia EPOC device, or wait till about Sept or Oct for those new device that runs PalmOS 5.

RE: any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

james_sorenson @ 3/4/2002 11:33:03 AM #

Well, Handspring actually back-pedaled on their claim to discontinue Visors. However, I don't think they've made much money on any of the super-thin models, so I wouldn't expect much more Edge development. (Although I own a Visor, I don't blame them for concentrating on the Treo).

Anyhow, to the original poster: why do you think the 515 is lousy? The Sony Clie is the only one that comes close, but the 515 has many more peripherals. Now, if only Handspring could make a Treo with the screen and memory-expansion of the 515, I would have the perfect device.

-------
James Sorenson

RE: any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 5:49:02 PM #

>..why do you think the 515 is lousy? The Sony Clie is >the only one that comes close

You poor people , he is so right, M515 is so pathetic and everybody knows CLIE is the best Palm OS PDA in the market today. Is that hard to you to tell or see the truth ? God bless you.

RE: any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

c_blue @ 3/4/2002 9:07:48 PM #

Since OS 5 will support High res natively, there is no point for either handspring, or palm to make their own api, or to add their own dsp design to an OS 4 PDA. So if you want a high-res non clies palmOS PDA you will have to wait to OS 5.

C_Blue

RE: any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:21:30 PM #

2 James:

maybe "pathetic" is too strong a word. I love its formfactor and color, and I hate its archaic 160x160 resolution.

Sigh. T615 seems to be the way to go...

--Scud.

RE: any rumours about hi-res device from visor?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 2:36:45 AM #

I had a Sony, but I never got over the "squishy" feeling of the screen... much preferred the hard screen of the Palms. Seemed like the Sony screen was not as responsive or as accurate, also. Just my two cents. Have an m515 on order!

SIdelight seems to sometimes turns off by itself

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:15:12 AM #

Anybody else notice that the m515 sidelight seems to sometimes turn off by itself? I don't think I'm turning it off accidentally.

Battery life better?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:28:19 AM #

Sounds like a brighter screen means shorter battery life. My 505 battery life is short enough. Anybody heard of an A/B comparison for battery life on the two with light set on high? I would like to know before I buy one and can't take advantage of the nice screen because of this.

Thanks,

tuckermaclain@yahoo.com

RE: Battery life better?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:50:27 AM #

Read the m515 review on Brighthand (www.brighthand.com). In the review, the author shows a 10 hour battery test between the m515 and the m505.

RE: Battery life better?

Altema @ 3/4/2002 2:52:29 PM #

Hmm, twice as bright as the 505 on the low setting, and about twice the battery life of the 505? Seems like they did more than just move the light closer to the screen... anyone have stats on T615 (One of my favorites) battery life for comparison?

RE: Battery life better?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:22:21 PM #

PDAforum.de notes just about 3+hrs(!) for fully charged m515 with sidelight set as High all the time. BrightHand predicts 10hrs with Low setting. Isn't it a huge difference? Let's wait for more prone battery statics arriving soon (at least for me the battery life remains the last crucial factor before going to upgrade my Vx).

RE: Battery life better?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:29:29 AM #

Boy, the Vx had incredible battery life. Battery 50%? maybe I should think about charging it next week. The Vx is a classic--maybe even Palm's finest moment.

yax_plis

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:24:54 AM #

Well, nice to see a new palm's, but I think we all desperately waiting for something like palm-with-arm or at least 320x320 clie size screen. Funny thing, Newton used StrongARM chips back in 1996 and still kick some ass. I hope Palm will colaborate with Apple and BEOS, since they realy have some nice features.

btw it would be realy nice if palm will try to add some rainproof/watterproof - that is realy no big deal.

I still use my PalmPilotPRO from stone age :) with OS3.52 and after 5!! years still the longest battery life. And I won't buy new horse ... I WANT MORE!!!

RE: yax_plis

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:58:47 AM #

Yep, still have my Palm Pilot Pro. I found out how useful it was when my Palm Vx was getting repaired. I used it for a week or so and frankly didn't really miss the Palm Vx. The Pro does everything I need and frankly for most people it's still good enough.

RE: yax_plis

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:44:12 PM #

Same here -- I'm still using my trusty Pro (with 2Mb+IRDa upgrade and OS3.5.2). But I do feel a need to upgrade, and my perfect device would be an M515 with 320x320 display.

Although I'd also settle for a color 320x320 GSM triple band Treo as well :)

RE: yax_plis

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:45:24 PM #

Just to be picky - I believe the Newton used the ARM6 or 7. The StrongARM came out of a collaboration between ARM and DEC shortly after I think.

Desktop Version Shipping with M515?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:10:34 AM #

Got the 515 last Friday, but didn't install the Desktop application (using 4.01/505). Palm's site says the 515 ships with Desktop 4.1 (typo?). Anyone know the differences and if you can install 4.1 on top of 4.01 without breaking all your conduits.

Also could find nothing in the box or CDs to describe Palm OS 4.1 vs 4.0. The included documentation was vintage Nov 01 500 series stuff.

RE: Desktop Version Shipping with M515?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:21:00 AM #

yup - m515 package has same Desktop as m505 - version 4.0.1. I was hoping for a new, improved Desktop 4.1! I guess those innovators at Palm had their hands full with the 16MB and moving the sidelights!

RE: Desktop Version Shipping with M515?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 8:40:30 AM #

Where did ypu get it? Here in NY they cannot sell untill thursday march !

RE: Desktop Version Shipping with M515?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:21:16 PM #

Compusa 420 5th Ave New York, NY (212) 764-6224
Compusa 1775 Broadway New York, NY (212) 262-9711

m515 in UK

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:42:25 AM #

Being stuck behind a desk I don't know if the m515 is available in the shops in the UK yet but I've spotted some websites taking pre-orders.
Cheapest I've found so far is www.dabs.com which has it at £323 inc. VAT and del. (availability 1-2 weeks)

RE: m515 in UK

IanJD @ 3/4/2002 1:09:43 PM #

After ordering, they list it as "Stock due 12 Mar 02".

RE: m515 in UK

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:22:12 PM #

I have seen both M130 and M515 in Dixons already this afternoon. However, they couldn't tell me the prices for sither of them. Maybe tomorrow they can be bought.

RE: m515 in UK

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:51:12 PM #

They are available for purchase at most of the big Dixons stores in London.

The m130 is £229

The m515 is £369

I was rather hoping that the m130 would come in at nearer £200...

Going abroad soon so may make a duty free (£190) purchase/purchase once hardware problems (inevitable?) become apparent/are ironed out.

Hope this helps

Palm m515 Mobile Connectivity software

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:45:29 AM #

Will the 515 Mobile Connectivity software work with a CDMA web-enabled mobile phone such as, for example, the new Motorola v.60c or is its use limited to GSM phones?

RE: Palm m515 Mobile Connectivity software

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:37:10 AM #

The info I saw on the software says GSM with no mention of CDMA. You get Motorola Timeport, Nokia 8210, 8290, Ericcson as options in setup.

RE: Palm m515 Mobile Connectivity software

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:22:09 PM #

Thanks for the information. Unfortunately GSM does not appear to be a viable alternative to CDMA or TDMA in NYC.

RE: Palm m515 Mobile Connectivity software

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:31:43 PM #

not yet. I think AT&T and Verizon are working on 2.5-3G and should have it up by end of 2002.

Palm SMS Phone Drivers

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:17:26 PM #

fyi - enjoy!

http://www.palm.com/support/accessories/sms.html

Bummer that Hot Sync Problem Not Included with m515

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:54:25 AM #

I was thinking seriously about trading in my m505 for the m515. Now I understand that the USB Hot Sync bug included on the m505 is NOT INCLUDED on the m515. This is over-the-top! They're charging the same price, so the bug should be included.

RE: Bummer that Hot Sync Problem Not Included with m515

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:33:35 AM #

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...chortle...guffaw.....wheeze......snoort.HAHAHAHAHAHA. That is such a funny joke! I think I just broke a rib laughing! STOP! HAHAHA! You're killing me! HAHAHAHA!!!

Get back to work, troll.

RE: Bummer that Hot Sync Problem Not Included with m515

montyburns @ 3/4/2002 10:42:14 AM #

If you want sync troubles included with your handheld, go get a Pocket PC device.

Jeez - Palm fixes the problem, and you gripe! Sell your m505 on ebay and go get the m515...

I like my Palm!

RE: Bummer that Hot Sync Problem Not Included with m515

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:37:12 AM #

I liked my Palm, too. But I switched to PocketPC 2002 a month ago -- no sync problems. Another PocketPC myth debunked. (I've got to admit, though, that the M515 is pretty tempting...)

RE: Bummer that Hot Sync Problem Not Included with m515

Scott @ 3/4/2002 11:54:42 AM #

I had lots of ActiveSync problems with my iPaq. It's not a myth. That said, several people have not had problems or have fixed them (the latest revisions of ActiveSync certainly help). So, I wouldn't not buy a Pocket PC because of ActiveSync problems. But it wasn't a myth either.

Scott

Brightness when compared to IIIc

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:52:51 AM #

To those who have seen the new devices, how would the brightness be when compared to the old IIIc?

RE: Brightness when compared to IIIc

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:42:39 AM #

Brightness is comparable on m515 vs. IIIc but without all of the awful pixelation. GET the m515!!

RE: Brightness when compared to IIIc

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:12:59 PM #

Or get the m130, which has the best screen of any Palm-made unit.

RE: Brightness when compared to IIIc

wilco @ 3/4/2002 2:16:49 PM #

I used to own a IIIc, now am making do with the decreased brightness of a m505. Planned to upgrade (is moving to m130, an upgrade or downgrade?) But since I'm in Asia, those units are still not available, that's why I am asking how the new screens compared to the IIIc.

Ed, When's the review?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:23:09 AM #

I'd like to see what you think of these new Palms. How soon wil your review be up?

RE: Ed, When's the review?

Ed @ 3/4/2002 11:30:48 AM #

I wasn't willing to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) on these so Palm's PR people wouldn't even officially admit to me they existed until today. Now that they are released, I'll see what I can do.

If they give me choice, which review would you rather see first, the m130 or the m515?

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News Editor

RE: Ed, When's the review?

AzureGuy @ 3/4/2002 11:47:19 AM #

m130 please Ed, it's the the evolutionary model here.

* * *
HOW TO GET BLUETOOTH ON A UNSUPPORTED HANDHELD: Take a pair of pliars, place them around the nearest available tooth, pull, paint it blue, glue it to your handheld

RE: Ed, When's the review?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:59:14 AM #

The M515 by All means.

I'm really interested in confirming Palm's claim of 2 weeks of "Normal" use on the M515. Battery life is very important to me and if this holds out to be true then it will be better than the T615's battery life.

Also, In your review of the M515 if you could please include a comparison between all the important factors of the M515 Vs. T615 (Screen, Battery, etc.)

Thank you.

RE: Ed, When's the review?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:05:19 PM #

515 definitely. As I sit here with a new T615C in my hand the BrightHand report mentioned above is making me wonder if it shouldn't go back. For those of us in a cradleless world (IR hotsync to laptop) battery life is the killer app. When the T615 and m505 battery life were the only choices (and were roughly equal) the hires Sony wa an easy choice. But 50% more battery life from a 515 (again taken from the BrightHand report) would change the playing field.

RE: Ed, When's the review?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 2:51:04 PM #

If battery life is important to you (as it is to me), you might consider buying the car charger ($9.99 at styluscentral.com against $19.99 in CompUsa).

RE: Ed, When's the review?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:36:32 PM #

I appreciate the suggestion, but I'm actually not in my car that much either. My current thinking is that the InnoPocket USB sync/charge cable is the best bet as it wins both in the speed department (IR hotsync is slow) and lets me leverage my current investment in extra laptop batteries and chargers (I have extras everywhere I go).

That said, of course, it still doesn't solve my fundamental disappointment in Clie (and 505 for that matter) battery life. I'm used to charging very infrequently (never more than once every couple of days, and usually much longer). It would be nice to go a full day at work and out for the evening without having to remember to recharge so that I can use my address book that night.

So far with the Clie it looks like my daily usage pattern is such that by the end of work, I'm running low on charge already. Its the price of color screen, I know, but the hires screen does me no good if it won't turn on :-)

Its funny that as good as the Palms are getting I'm getting closer to the point where my laptop battery lasts as long (longer if I load up a second battery in the spare bay) than my handheld.

palm m515 made in?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:15:18 AM #

do any of you know where m515 is made? does it have made in hungary? hey im new at at this i would like to know what was the difference between the m505 us made and m505 hungary made. and the rumors were true about the difference.

RE: palm m515 made in?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:39:55 AM #

Mine is made in USA. The 3 others that I know about all are made in USA. Maybe Palm nixed Flextronics manufacturing anything in Hungary for them because of the debacle last time?

RE: palm m515 made in?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:03:30 PM #

The m515 I bought from CompUSA says assembled in the USA.
From Brighthand's review of the m130, that one is assembled in China.

plexiglass screen on m130?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:30:45 AM #

anyone know if the screen on the m130 is glass or plexiglass? it'd be great if it was as tough as the m100's screen.

m515 has better battery life than m130 - Interesting

Scott @ 3/4/2002 11:56:39 AM #

I find it interesting that the m515 has better battery life than the m130, despite the significantly reduced size/weight. I wonder if this has more to do with the transflective screen or if Palm, Inc. intentionally hobbled the m130 so that it didn't put the m515 to shame in too many ways. Overall, I like what I'm hearing about both of these things. I just wish they had built-in Bluetooth. IMO, the Bluetooth card sticks out too much, eliminates your ability to use expansion RAM simultaneously, and is overpriced. Oh well, things should improve over time.

Scott

RE: m515 has better battery life than m130 - Interesting

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:35:21 PM #

reflective vs. transflective is why

Transflective vs Reflective

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:16:05 PM #

Can somebody comment on the difference between the transflective and reflective screens? Is the transflective screen actually better, and does it make enough impact to say transflective is a must? I really want to upgrade to a m515 from my Vx, but it doesn't have a transflective screen like the m130 or T615.

RE: Transflective vs Reflective

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:50:01 PM #

Yes, but the M515 also looks a heck of a lot better in sunlight.

m130 digitizer

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:55:49 PM #

anyone who has palm m130... does it have some digitizer problems as m125?

RE: m130 digitizer

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:57:37 PM #

some=same

RE: m130 digitizer

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:38:41 PM #

No problems with mine-- 3 days now. It's just as accurate as any Palm I've owned.

M505 into the hall of shame.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:03:32 PM #

It will forever be remembered as a baby born prematurely and up against the giant n710c from Sony. If M515 is the first version of the 5 series then the there might not be so much sales lost to Sony.

Anyway......Will wait and see what Sony offers next..

m505 into the hall of fame.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:00:57 PM #

Palm sold more m505's than all the handhelds Sony has ever sold put together. Palm is still number one in the world while Sony isn't even in the top five.

RE: M505 into the hall of shame.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:18:39 PM #

Actually if you only count palm Devices
1) palm (first in market, about 5 years)
2) Handspring (in market for about 3 years)
3) Sony (in market for a bit more than 1 year)

If you count all PDA Sony will be more like 4th place, with Compaq's market share slightly (1%) higher.

RE: M505 into the hall of shame.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:25:13 PM #

Just one more thing, in both cases Sony's still in the top five, next time when you post, please try to do some research, and don't expect everyone to get sucked into your realiy distortion field.

RE: m505 in the Hall of Fame

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:17:20 PM #

According to IDC, during the fourth quarter of 2001 the top 5 handheld makers in the world were Palm, Handspring, Compaq, Hi-Tech Wealth, and Hewlett-Packard. This is based on the total number of handhelds shipped worldwide from manufacturers.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2870

RE: M505 into the hall of shame.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:27:27 PM #

According to NPDTechworld at Feb 2002 which is last month's data

"Palm accounted for 58%" 1st
"Handspring's share of the market was 15%" 2nd
"Number three was Compaq"
"Fourth was Sony with 6% of the market"

RE: Missing the point......

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:13:52 PM #

Not talking about total sales here....just the high end models (both M505 and N710c were the highest end model offer by both companies at the time) so no need to argue with the total figures.

RE: M505 into the hall of shame.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 9:28:20 AM #

> According to NPDTechworld

Where did you find this article? I'd like to read it.

m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:14:24 PM #

Ive been researching about m505s durability compared to the Vx's because i dont wanna use any hardcase or softcase for it anymore. i want to start using the leather flip cover for it. But is the screen fragile like the VX? which means a few feet will smash it? i havent seen any m505s in palmgraveyard.

I want to know to who is using the flipcover and for how love have you been using it?

graph

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:24:19 PM #

the flip cover is all you need unless you work in a rough environment OR if you are clumsy and hard on your things. If you take care of your stuff and don't work on a construction site, you will be OK with the stock cover. I prefer it because it is the lightest/least obstructive (and cheapest!)

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:43:10 PM #

I've used both the leather flip cover and the one from Paralleldesign.com with a Vx and an m505 (now a m515). The flip cover from Paralleldesign.com is great. It only protects the screen from scratches, etc. but it's the sleekest solution on the market. In regards to the m series durability, I've dropped mine a couple of times and it survived, but that means little. It depends on how it lands, what it lands on, etc. For day to day use, though, a hard case isn't necessary and just adds bulk.

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 4:01:40 PM #

You've been lucky
A nice hard case like SmarterCase makes adds some style and added functionality to your everyday computing.

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 6:56:57 PM #

I also use the cover by Parallel Designs on my Vx and have loved it. Anyone know if Parallel Design's m505 cover will work on the m515? (I ordered a m515 today!)

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:54:59 PM #

I splashed about a half thimble of water on the calender button and it trashed my m505 :( The water went up into the screen. The hard case would've saved it.

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:22:05 PM #

I dropped my m505 twice... the first time it was sitting inside my unzipped portfolio, which I forgot, and when I grabbed my portfolio and got out of my truck, the Palm "flew" 2.5 feet and crashed on the cement underground parking garage. No damage. A bit of roadrash to the upper right corner by the sylus slot, but still works. The second time, I dropped it as I was getting out of my truck straight down. Luckily, still works. Like the person said before, depends on how it falls I guess.
I use the leather screen flip cover, and its OK, but the hinged part is ripping. I just picked up a Palm hard case... nice, except synching on the cradle is a bitch. Nice weight, nice finish, DENTS TOO EASILY, but I guess its better than denting the Palm itself...

RE: m505s Durability Question

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:35:39 PM #

if you are someone that drives a truck, you should get a heavy hard case.

m130 Faceplates

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:17:18 PM #

Will the m130 have colored face-plates that are the same as the current m130/125 but with a different color on the sides? i.e. m130 is blue and silver, 125 is black and silver, will there be a red and silver? I sure hope so, or it is off to the Pocket PC I go if OS 6 is not good.

RE: m130 Faceplates

cyruski @ 3/4/2002 2:55:15 PM #

I don't think so. They have enough faceplates to last another 2 years in stock right now.

cyruski!

RE: m130 Faceplates

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 3:04:50 PM #

The m130 can use any of the faceplates designed for the m100 series. Despite what the troll just said, these sell well and there are dozens of possible looks, from very professional to crazy patterns. Check them out at the palm store.

RE: m130 Faceplates

Sweetlu @ 3/4/2002 9:43:00 PM #

Check out the CoolPlates from Pdabodyguard.com. The stars and stripes and chrome plate looks the best. In addition, PDAPals.com offers color matching flip cover m100 cases.

Enjoy

RE: m130 Faceplates

cyruski @ 3/5/2002 12:15:15 PM #

> what the troll just said

I don't think I deserve such a rude comment from an anonymous poster. I own two of those faceplates too. I just said there were enough of those faceplates and I didn't think they were going to make some more.

cyruski!

Trade Palm m515 for Semi-Potty Trained Siberian Husky

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 7:14:01 PM #

I have a semi-potty trained Siberian Husky that I would like to trade for an m515. Trader pays postage.

RE: Trade Palm m515 for Semi-Potty Trained Siberian Husky

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 9:34:26 PM #

some very nice pictures:
http://www.palmclub.nl/reviews/palm/m515/
Enjoy !

So What do I get?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:35:52 AM #

Does anyone have any idea when the new palm deices are comming out that have 320x320, ARM, and OS5? I want to get a palm (my first) and I want to keep it for at least 2 years. I don't want to drop 300 now and have the new ones come out this october, its worth the wait for me. Thanks for any information.

RE: So What do I get?

Ed @ 3/5/2002 9:18:44 AM #

Palm has committed to releasing handhelds running OS 5 before this fall. So far, they are the only company that has anything like a definite release date. However, PalmSource will be turning the Golden Master of OS 5 over to the licensees early this summer so others should have models out around the same time Palm does.

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News Editor

RE: So What do I get?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 9:47:15 AM #

Thanks for reading my post Ed. I appreciate your site. You da man.

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The Guy That Originally Asked.

RE: So What do I get?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 6:42:38 AM #

Anyone know if the fall ARM models will be using the same Universal Connector as these new m130 and m15 models?

transflective or transmissive?

ahecht @ 3/5/2002 2:18:54 AM #

Is the m130 screen truly transflective (like the T615), or is transmissive (like the IIIc)? Since the backlight cannot be turned off, and it supposedly isn't that good in direct sunlight, it would seem that the screen is transmissive. However, the PIC description calls it transflective. I'm confused?!!

RE: transflective or transmissive?

ahecht @ 3/5/2002 2:22:27 AM #

Actually, I reread the PIC article and it never says it is transflective. Palm.com only calls it "Backlit, color screen with support for more than 65,000 colors." It is only people posting who have called it transflective, however evidence seems to point towards transmissive. The real test is the screen color when the unit is off. Is it black or grey?

RE: transflective or transmissive?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 9:32:42 AM #

The screen is black; I played with one at comp USA.
Not that impressed; my TRG pro will hold me over until arm. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm hoping they handera (or sony, PLEASE!) will offer a color arm model with soft grafiti. If no good arm models are out by the end of the summer I'm flirting with the idea of checking out a PPC if X-scale is already out for them. I picked up a jornada 568 and noticed you have to activate the ebook reader with MS before it works; that company is pure evil.

RE: transflective or transmissive?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:17:06 PM #

Well, if the screen is black, then that means that it is a transmissive screen, no more advanced than the IIIc (except for the ability to display more than 256 colors). Maybe Sony isn't willing to sell Palm their transflectives yet.

Palm sucks!!!!!!!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 7:35:51 AM #

They are scaring their customers away.Every year i had to buy a new unit year 2000 palm Vx, year 2001 palm m505 and now they're coming out palm m515. Give us a break ,it's not cheap buying a palm every year.

RE: Palm sucks!!!!!!!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 9:02:31 AM #

I didn't realize that your old Palm stopped working as soon as a new model came out. That's outrageous!

m515 + Palm portable keyboard

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 8:41:31 AM #

I got a m515 yesterday. I also purchased a Palm portable keyboard with it. When I connect the m515 to the keyboard or try to type, I get a fatal error that requires a soft reset. I downloaded the updated driver from the support site but that didn't help.
Has anyone else heard of this problem? I e-mailed Palm tech support but have no idea when they'll respond.
Thanks for any ideas.

cavande

peoples are disapointed

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:05:49 PM #

I was looking at peoples appreciation of these units at computers.com. Well, the results are not very good. I must admit that I agree with peoples that the units are a bit too expensives.

M515 brighter screen..please elaborate!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:26:24 PM #

Everyone says the m515 screen is brighter. Does it just look the same as if you turned on the backlight on the m505? Or is it a completely different technology in the m515 screen

Can you read the m515 screen in direct sunlight like you can

RE: M515 brighter screen..please elaborate!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:37:16 PM #

You looked silly the first time you posted this question. You look even sillier posting it again. Here's the same answer I gave you last time:

> Did you bother reading any of the articles or posts here or are you
> just lazy?
>
> The m515 with the backlight on (high) is about 2x brighter than the m505 with the
> backlight on. It looks great in the sun because it is a reflective display (unlike the
> IIIc/Prism). Please do your homework next time.

RE: M515 brighter screen..please elaborate!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:44:59 PM #

that was my reply to him weirdo

RE: M515 brighter screen..please elaborate!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:49:38 PM #

Aren't we both the same person? We've got the same name: "I.M. Anonymous "

RE: M515 brighter screen..please elaborate!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:09:23 PM #

>Aren't we both the same person? We've got the same name: "I.M. Anonymous "

yes, we are the same person. all people with the nickname I.M. Anonymous are the same person. As you can see, I am a pretty busy poster.

m130 screen - plastic?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:19:38 PM #

Is the m130 screen glass or plastic? I want to upgrade from my m105, but I really want plastic. I broke my IIIx and Pilot1000 previously, but the m105 keep going strong.
Thanx!

Palm M515 in Australia !! great price !!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/7/2002 11:23:54 PM #

Hi,

just wanted to let you all know that the new M515 is available in Australia through the distributors at www.ozemobile.com . Although it is not on their website, you can contact tcrichton@ozemobile.com and place an order there. The cost I found to be highly competitive, at $999 plus postage and insurance. This is on par with the cost of the older, inferior M505 at most places in Australia. They state that they ship to anywhere in Australia, at a cost of about ~$15.

Anyway, just wanted to let u all know ;)

Palm Deutschland/Europe

PIC mobile user @ 3/18/2002 10:28:49 AM #

FYI: With the launch of the two new Palm models, Palm Germany is also launching the Bluetooth SDIO card.
Product code: P10832US
Cost: €205.32
www.palm.com/de/products/bluetooth
www.palmdirect.com/palmeurope

Time to upgrade PalmVx/Blue5 sled combo? Only if I could use the expansion port AND the BlueM, AT THE SAME TIME. Perhaps OS 5/next gen hardware...

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