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RE: Fantastic!
RE: Fantastic!
RE: Fantastic!
While some Palm and Sony users fight all the time, the companies get along fine.
RE: Fantastic!
RE: Fantastic!
The T68 looks like a nice phone.
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
thanks -mb
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
Looks like I'll have to talk him into getting a SD BT card as well!
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
Good bye, AvantGo, hello Blazer ;-)
OTOH, mail downloads are more tricky since my mailbox is usually full of long messages, many of them with attachments. ALL palm e-mail apps still get chocked with this kind of mails, and lose connection due to time out errors :-(
I think what we need is some intelligent algorithm how to let the mail apps choose which mail to collect and which to avoid. Current settings - e.g. of Electric Pocket/ Mailer - still are not sensitive enough to avoid huge messages...
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
Um, lose the graphics and try Eudora Web. Without a proxy it's a bunch faster yet...
"OTOH, mail downloads are more tricky since my mailbox is usually full of long messages, many of them with attachments. ALL palm e-mail apps still get chocked with this kind of mails, and lose connection due to time out errors :-("
The HandEra enhanced Palm Mail app in the Net Install package handles this fine, with a number of options for deciding which mail to fetch. "Limit message to X lines", "Ignore messages over Y Kilobytes", "download Z newest".
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
The T68 design looks ugly
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
T68 was launched quite some time ago, selling at around USD$420 with a 2 years contract with either Singtel/M1/Starhub.
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
Sorry, was too fast.
RE: The T68 looks like a nice phone.
Still, I guess Bluetooth is cool and if they get the firmware fixed it will be pretty good.
Good to hear
Scott
Its about time!
People forgot how long it took before 802.11 became a hit
RE: Its about time!
RE: Its about time!
But that's behind us. We are now seeing some interesting products coming to the markets.....but we still hear that same old boring "bluetooth is late, hyped, slow...etc." arguments. Plus they still keep comparing 802.11 with Bluetooth. BORRINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
They COMPLEMENT eachother....pfffffffff
ALL MAJOR CARRIERS will offer new Sony Ericsson models
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-863456.html
AT&T Wireless has expand there Portfolio of GSM/GPRS Phones with the Sony Ericsson T68 with Color Screen and integrated Bluetooth and the Nokia 8390
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020305/nytu061_1.html
GSM Cellular Handsets that work in USA and Canada
http://www.mphone.co.uk/usa.htm
More Carriers will follow: Bo Larsson, general manager of Sony Ericsson's North American operations, said that he expected ALL MAJOR CARRIERS to begin offering new Sony Ericsson models this year. First out of the gate was AT&T Wireless, which on Monday said it would offer the T68 with Bluetooth local wireless capabilities.
from Sony, Ericsson Bet Fun Phones Spark Gains
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020307/tc_nm/tech_sonyericss on_usa_dc_1
T68i, P800 and Z700 Phones have integrated BLUETOOTH.
Sony Ericsson unveils six phones (one with camera, 3 of them have built-in Bluetooth: The T68i, P800 and Z700), two new Bluetooth™ handsfree solutions and more
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?page=C2_1&B=ie
RE: ALL MAJOR CARRIERS will offer new Sony Ericsson models
http://www.au.kddi.com/phone/cdmaone/c1002/c1002.html
I wonder why they won't release a phone similar to this outside of Japan. Phones in Japan are so much cooler.
Rico
this exactly the combo that i have...
Unfortunately there is one shortcoming, and I was surprised to notice it: if you use the bluetooth connection for an online setup, you cannot use it at the same time to make the palm dial a phone number. it's either or...I was disappointed. maybe an option for bluetooth 2.0?
Andy
RE: this exactly the combo that i have...
-JM.
VERIZON?
Hello.. GSM bites need CDMA here
OrionNE
RE: VERIZON?
Eduardo Akira Watanabe
eduakira@uol.com.br
RE: VERIZON?
Questions for Eduardo and the 270c person
To the person talking about the 270c, I am curious. Do you know if the bluetooth attachment is avaliable for 270c yet? I did a quick check of Verizon and Motorola's websites and did not see that accessory for sale yet (though it was referred to alot). If so any idea if it works as well as the Ericsson PAN? Thanks!
RE: VERIZON?
Here are the spec:
DBA-10 specifications
The Bluetooth Adapter DBA-10 adds Bluetooth to your mobile phone. Because the adapter contains a built-in Bluetooth chip, it can also be used for data functionality with a Bluetooth PC card and laptop. The adapter snaps onto the base of your phone easily and is small enough to fit in your pocket. It also has a charging port built in, so you don’t have to remove the adapter to recharge your phone.
RE: VERIZON?
RE: VERIZON?
If you want bigger Bluetooth sales in the US, we need CDMA.
I happen to be in an area that does not offer GSM. None of the cellular companies give any indication that it will be offered any time soon. I'm sure that these GSM Bluetooth enabled phones will sell strong outside of the US, but if the companies want stronger profits from US sales, they either need to adopt to the limitations, or push the GSM service to be made available throughout the country. If they build it, we will come!
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Signature? Oh yeah, I had one here a minute ago...
RE: If you want bigger Bluetooth sales in the US, we need CDMA.
RE: If you want bigger Bluetooth sales in the US, we need CDMA.
RE: If you want bigger Bluetooth sales in the US, we need CDMA.
in your area? Cos once AT&T's GSM installation is
complete, its US coverage should be pretty good and
comparable with most CDMA carriers.
RE: If you want bigger Bluetooth sales in the US, we need CDMA.
West Coast ATTWS
ATT does a lot of deals for shared towers around the US so they most likely will have pretty good coverage over the next year.
ATTWS
QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies offers Bluetooth connectivity
Qualcomm Bluetooth Solutions:
QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies offers Bluetooth connectivity on most chipset solutions (MSM).
http://www.cdmatech.com/solutions/bluetooth.html
BREW white paper (Qualcomm OS called Brew has Bluetooth support)
http://www.qualcomm.com/brew/about/whitepaper.html
Verizon phones pick up Qualcomm OS
http://news.com.com/2100-1033-831808.html?tag=cd_mh
Palm vs. Handspring
What we realy need is a CDMA color Treo WITH bluetooth.
:-)
p.s. did anyone else have this delema???
RE: Palm vs. Handspring
I'm interested in getting an Ericsson T39, I already have a Clie n610c, and I want an Infostick... Of course, I'm probably gonna get the Ericsson T39 regardless, so the only real "extra" cost I'll be paying is for the Bluetooth Memory Stick...
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If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.
RE: Palm vs. Handspring
This shall come to pass. I decree it.
RE: Palm vs. Handspring
This lucky bast**d, is testing on a color treo!!!! Wow! it blew me off. Apparently, they were testing the network.
It is a prototype of everything the same as the 180g but with 65k color.
RE: Palm vs. Handspring
Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
Alternatives include Eudroa, web clipping, the WAP browser that comes with the BT card, and _possibly_ palm's unavailable Web browser.
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
This was posted via my ipaq 3870 and T39mc...
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
I have a T68 and a sony clie
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
Palm m515 (Palm OS V 4.1)
Palm Bluetooth Card (V1.1)
Ericsson T39m Phone (SW Version R3B006) (1)
VoiceStream iStream GSM/GPRS Service (2)
New York
(1) T39mc with SW Version R1 will not work connect to
VoiceStream’s GPRS network. The “c” in T39mc stands for “Chinese”. It might
work with upgraded SW version, but would still lack English T9. To check the
phone’s SW Version, press right arrow, * , left arrow, left arrow, * , left
arrow, *
(2) You will need the iStream $19.99 “PDA” service.
Successes
Palm will dial the Phone (if not connected to GPRS)
Palm can send/receive SMS’s (if not connected to GPRS)
Palm can use the T39m as a modem to connect to a dialed up ISP
Palm can use the T39m as a LAN connection, using the GPRS service
Palm can surf the Internet and check POP email
Palm can browse WAP sites (must switch Network Service)
Open Issues
Palm is not stable and crashes a few times a day. Crashes happen during
communication activities.
Palm freezes often during communication activities, apparently waiting for
data to come back. Available “cancel” buttons do not work. You need to wait.
No POP email client available for Palm that will periodically check for new
messages.
VoiceStream service allows you to either access Internet or WAP but not both
at the same time
VoiceStream’s GPRS service is not stable
VoiceStream’s DNS service is not stable
Palm does not offer to “Connectivity Kit” users a web Portal similar to
“MyPalm”, which is available only to Palm VII or i705 users.
Phone cannot “push” any data to Palm.
Comments
GPRS is not “on” all the time as advertised. You need to connect to it (it
takes about 9 sec).
Bluetooth card sticks out about ½ inch. You want to use a case that protects
it. Try the Palm VII Slim leather case.
Palm’s strategy regarding MultiMail Pro is not clear.
Future form factor will be a device of the size of the Palm m515 with built-in
Bluetooth, GSM and GPRS (or 3G) and a bluetooth headset?
GPRS has substantial latency (check Ping times below)
Performance Data
GPRS versus Dialed Up (both using Palm, Bluetooth and the T39m)
GPRS
Connect: 9 sec
Disconnect: 1 sec
Ping cnet.com: 1500 ms
Receive 100KB: 142 sec (7 kbps)
Analog ISP
Connect: 47 sec
Disconnect: 7 sec
Ping cnet.com: 750 ms
Receive 100KB: 123 sec (8 kbps)
Palm, Bluetooth, GPRS versus Palm VII/i705
Time to download a 12K PQA:
Palm VIIx: 80 sec (average of 3 runs)
m515/GPRS: 30 sec (average of 2 runs)
Time to send a short text message:
Palm i705 (using iMessenger): xx sec
Palm m515/SMS: 08 sec
Palm m515/GPRS/POP (already connected to GPRS): 20-25 sec
Palm m515/GPRS/POP (including connection time): 25-30 sec
Ericsson T39m Settings
Settings/Data comm
Data accounts
Data Account #1 (Used for Internet/Email on Palm or Phone)
Name: Internet (user-defined name)
APN: internet2.voicestream.com
ID:
PW:
Password Request: Off
Allow Calls Automatic
IP Address:
DNS Address:
Advanced Settings
Authentication: Normal
Data Compression: Off
Header Compression: Off
QoS
Precedence: Subscribed
Delay: Best Effort
Reliability: Class 3
Peak Rate: Subscribed
Mean Rate: Subscribed
Data Account #2 (Used for WAP on Palm or Phone)
Name: WAP (user-defined name)
APN: wap.voicestream.com
ID:
PW:
Password Request: Off
Allow Calls Automatic
IP Address:
DNS Address:
Advanced Settings
Authentication: Normal
Data Compression: On
Header Compression: On
QoS
Precedence: Subscribed
Delay: Subscribed
Reliability: Class 3
Peak Rate: Subscribed
Mean Rate: Subscribed
Pref. Service: GPRS and GSM
SMS Access: GSM
WAP Services
WAP settings
Gateway
IP Settings
Connect using: WAP (Name of Data Account 2 Above)
IP Address: 216.155.165.50
User Id:
Password:
Data mode: Connection less
Security: Off
Show Images: On
Response Timer: 150
Messages
Options
E-mail
Connect using: Internet (Name of Data Accoune 1 Above)
POP3 Server: IP Address (and not server name!)
POP3 Port: 110
Mailbox:
Password:
SMTP Server: IP Address (and not server name!)
SMTP Port: 25
Email Address:
From Name:
Palm Pilot Settings
Preferences
Connection
T39m Phone
Connect to: Phone
Via: Bluetooth
Device:
Model: Ericsoon T39m
Details
Speed: 57,600 bps
Init String: X1E0+CMEE=1+CSCS="GSM"+CNMI=3,1,2,0,0V1
T39m LAN
Connect to: Local Network
Via: Bluetooth
Device:
Details
Speed: 57,600
Flow Ctl: Automatic
Network
Service: Vstream Internet (user defined)
Username: a
Password: a
Connection: T39m LAN
Details
Connection Type: PPP
Idle Timeout: 1 Minute
Query DNS:
it)
Primary DNS: 216.155.175.170 (Valid for NY. Varies
by region)
Secondary DNS: 216.155.175.171 (Valid for NY. Varies
by region)
IP Address:
Script
Send: atd*99***1# (4)
Send CR (6)
Wait For: CONNECT
End
Service: Vstream WAP (user defined)
Username: a
Password: a
Connection: T39m LAN
Details
Connection Type: PPP
Idle Timeout: 1 Minute
Query DNS:
it)
Primary DNS: 216.155.175.170 (Valid for NY. Varies
by region)
Secondary DNS: 216.155.175.171 (Valid for NY. Varies
by region)
IP Address:
Script
Send: atd*99***2# (5)
Send CR (6)
Wait For: CONNECT
End
(4) = Numeric digit before # must correspond to CID of Internet
account on Phone
(5) = Numeric digit before # must correspond to CID of WAP account on Phone
(6) = Some usenet posting with similar scripts are missing this command
Web Browsing
VoiceStream does not allow traffic on port 80 to go through.
Must use a proxy and a browser that supports proxies.
Proxy: getmorespeed.voicestream.com (or IP 216.155.175.188)
Proxy Port: 8080
Preferred Browser: AvantGo
Other browsers: Eudora (works but does not support graphics), Blazer
(not stable)
POP/SMTP Email
Any email client will be able to retrieve POP mail
Not all email clients will be able to send SMTP mail
(again an issue with VoiceStream’s firewalls/routers)
Eudora SMTP will not work but MultiMail SMTP will work
Use the IP addresses (and not the names) of your POP and SMTP servers
(bypass DNS)
WAP Browsing
WAP application that came on Palm Bluetooth CD-ROM.
Must connect using “Vstream WAP” Network Service (defined above)
Options/Gateway
Gateway Server: 216.155.165.050
Gateway ID:
Gateway password:
Some sites
Wap.myvoicestream.com
Wap.cnet.com
SMS
Does not need to connect to GPRS (actually, must not be connected)
To send a message to an email address
To: 500
Message:
You can define aliases for the email addresses on the web at
myvoicestream.com
MSN Messenger
MSN Messenger Force for Palm OS V2.4 works.
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
They supposedly only support phones that THEY sell which THEY configure themselves.... sorta like saying that in order to access AOL, you need to buy an AOL computer (so stupid!)
But I've been told by a Cingular rep that the APN for Cingular is "out there" somewhere, but I've not been able to find it. Any help or clues would be greatly appreciated -- sfdavidc@yahoo.com
RE: Now, if only Voicestream would support Palm!
They told me I need to buy a stupid $50 kit to get hold of the APN numbers to configure my iPAQ to work with their gprs system.
If you find out the numbers, please share. I will if I get a hold of them.
What's up with Afterburner and Bluetooth
Andy
RE: What's up with Afterburner and Bluetooth
OTOH, there are really loooong time-outs sometimes, mostly when the phone loses GPRS connection but also in other situations. Hopefully, these will be resolved in the next version of BT-drivers.
Magnus
Cool, but Expensive!
http://www.attwireless.com/mobileinternet/equip_rateplans.jhtml
I have been waiting and waiting and waiting for a bluetooth-enabled phone and Palm. Now that its here, I'll still have to wait until the prices come way down...
T68i in America?
So why would SonyEricsson launch the T68 in the USA and not the T68i? My instinct tells me it will be the T68i...
Ericsson T39m
Thanks
RE: Ericsson T39m
RE: Ericsson T39m
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If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.
RE: Ericsson T39m
Your speed will be limited to 9600k, as that is the limit for CSD.
RE: Ericsson T39m
For surfing on a Palm/Phone, I'm sure it'll be ok. I still remember the good ol' BBS days on my 300 baud modem. I paid $400 for that modem. Wow.
Now people complain about 56K. Geez, what has this world come to?
Am I supposed to sound like a Grandpa at only 26?
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If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.
I have a T68 and it's very good
RE: I have a T68 and it's very good
Go to any Ericsson serive centre to upgrade your cellphone software. It should enhance it with faster SMS and responses.
RE: I have a T68 and it's very good
cyruski!
Latest News: Apple goes Bluetooth
http://www.apple.com/bluetooth/
Personal experience: Bluetooth and Airport (= WiFi) can work side by side in the same room, there is NO interference...
(I have my iBook connected to the Internet with Airport, and my Palm with Bluetooth SD card to my T39 Ericcson. No slow down when both are active...)
The company behind AirPort (802.11) comes with Bluetooth
I've wondered about Apple for not having a Bluetooth Solution...finally here it is.
Months ago i said: "Apple shouldn't see Bluetooth as competition for AirPort, which (along with all of the other networking hardware that embraces the 802.11b Wi-Fi standard) is gaining broad acceptance. AirPort and Bluetooth complement each other really well."
Apple Previews Bluetooth Wireless Connectivity for Mac OS X
MACWORLD EXPO, TOKYO, March 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Apple® (Nasdaq: AAPL - news) today previewed its Bluetooth technology for Mac® OS X, enabling short-range wireless connectivity between a Mac® and a variety of digital devices, including bluetooth-enabled PDAs and cell phones. Apple is making a preview version of its Bluetooth software for Mac OS X available as a free software download and is offering a Bluetooth USB adaptor, which can Bluetooth-enable any USB-based Macintosh® computer, for $49 (US).
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020320/sfw090_1.html
The following Operating Systems have all Bluetooth support:
Palm OS, Mac OS, Windows OS/Pocket PC/Windows. CE. NET, Windows XP (soon) and Linux.
RE: Latest News: Apple goes Bluetooth
Slow Response
Bluetooth Infostick
RE: Bluetooth Infostick
In either case, the prc files you need are all in English as I also ordered my MSB1 from HK and managed to get the prc files loaded. there is an article somewhere in this site titled "Sony CLIE N760C with PEGA-MSB1" that goes into sorta details on what to do to get the files into the installer.
I just received it today, I plan on using it with my Ericsson T60d with the Bluetooth adapter (dba10). My phone and Clie are able to see each other, however, I am unable to get my Clie to dial successfully. The phone appears to respond to the Clie's request but it errors out with something alond the lines of me using a wrong number or the line being busy..which I am not...so more tinkering, as the manuals are all in Japanese! ) Hopefully, Sony will post their English text manuals online, soon...meanwhile, back to playing.
RE: Bluetooth Infostick
Here is the procedure I’ve followed
- The documentation is in Japanese, so I couldn’t read it, but I followed a blind course.
- First, I tried to do an install (from the CD), but couldn’t get it done.
- After that, I just opened the CD, and Installed the following prc files located in \CLIE_Applications\MSB1 (followed by a several japanese characters):
BluetoothExt.prc, BluetoothPnl.prc, BtCommVdrv.prc, BtExgLib.prc, BtLib.prc, BtStackLib.prc, BtTransportBTSLib.prc, ConnectionPnl.prc, MSSlotLoader.prc (9 files in total). I excluded all the files whose names ended in JP.prc
- After that, I inserted the stick in the Clie, and did a HotSync.
- The CLIE asked for a reset, so I did it.
- After the reset, the Bluetooth ligth turned on.
- Then, I went to Prefs, where I now have a new option called ‘Bluetooth’.
- I configured the T39 to accept detection, and selected the ‘Trusted Devices’ button at the CLIE. Then I tapped ‘Add Device’, and the CLIE detected the T39. I authenticated using the T39 password, and the two got connected.
- After that, I selected ‘Connection’ from Prefs, and changed my existing GPRS connection to the T39, changing the ‘Via’ parameter from ‘Infrared’ to ‘Bluetooth’, and tapping ‘Tap to detect’ at the Device parameter, to get the devices in touch.
- Then, I selected ‘Network’ from Prefs, and did a ‘Connect’, using the service that I have related to my GPRS connection. And that’s it.
I am totally happy, and very glad to have dare to buy this device, knowing beforehand the documentation wouldn’t be readable to me. I hope this can help some other people, at least until Sony launches an English version of the product.
Wap Settings
THanxs and regards
Rohit Joshi
Connecting a Palm M125 via data cable to Motorola V60 Voices
Can anyone out there be able to please tell me if there
is a data cable which would give me the capability of using my V60 GSM phone as a modem in order to access the WEB?
Powerbook G3 and T39m
GSM dialup connections
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