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Sony has just announced that the PEG-NR70 and PEG-NR70V will be released in the U.S. in early May. The NR70 will cost $500 while the NR70V will be $600. Sony will begin taking pre-orders on SonyStyle, its webstore, today. In a departure from its previous policies, the U.S. versions will have the same names as the Japanese ones.
For the benefit of those who have recently been living in caves, the NR series was announced just over two weeks ago in Japan. It includes a 320 by 480, 16-bit color screen that has virtual Graffiti. It also has a clam-shell design, a built-in keyboard, 16 MB of RAM and is the first Palm OS model to use the 66 MHz Dragonball Super VZ. In addition, the NR70V has a built-in digital camera.
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RE: this is great
RE: this is great
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RE: this is great
I'm surprised that you haven't heard anything bad about SonyStyle.com's pre-ordering...
When they first released the N710C in the States, they only had a few products in hand. However, they didn't ship the PDAs to those that pre-ordered first, in stead, they ship those to Staples, BB, and stuffs.
Some of the pre-orderers tried to cancel the order, but because of their 'complicated processing system,' their orders weren't canceled, and they have to spend $100 for shipment return / re-stocking fee.
RE: this is great
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Gotta get a Gameboy
Bryan
100 US more than other country
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Its simpler than all the reasons listed above. It is $100 more because of marketing.
We pay $100 more because we will.
In Japan they have so many other gagdets and 3rd generation phones to distract the gagdet lover, they probably need to price it lower to compete. Here, there is not that much competition....
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When it all shakes out, and those with money to burn have finished slobbering all over the display cases at Circuit City, the price of these new Clies will be more in line with what a more sensible Japanese consumer is willing to pay at the onset.
RE: 100 US more than other country
I have no idea what this means for the Japanese/US pricing of the Clies, though. :P
RE: 100 US more than other country
The price will be the same in GBP as it is in US Dollars - work it out - UK gets shafted on prices for EVERYTHING.
mrscarey
palmist and visionary
RE: 100 US more than Japan, period
Hong Kong charge 3280, or 420 with Chinese OS for T615c. We all know that the Chinese OS is about 10-20 dollars in bulk order os the price comes to 400.
In Japan most stores sells T615C for 40,000 Yen, or 304 dollars.
So, not the U.S. government, not cheap cost in Asian, just that Sony decides to charge more in area outside of Japan.
RE: 100 US more than other country
>> We will pay for the extra USD100.
In Japan, the major PDA leader is Sharp. So they lower the price in Japan to attract the gadget lovers.
For myself in HK, we pay roughly the same as those in USA, USD100 more than in Japan domestics price.
regards,
RE: 100 US more than other country
"We pay $100 more because we will."
Exatcly! In our history we have always been taken advantage of like that because :
1. We consumers have the money.
2. We will most likely pay for what we want without any fuss.
But in other countries you can buy stuff such as ice cream for only 10 cents! (in american money). I suppose Sony knows that it wont greatly effect us by settiing a higher price since the high-end pda's have reached over 400.00usd.
RE: 100 US more than other country
Since the Sony product cycle is so short, next time I will just buy the Jap. version.
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RE: 100 US more than other country
In europe it will be MORE than 100 US difference!!
That includes my playstation 2 which was 250 dollar more in Norway, than in the States where my bro bought one....
Cheers :)
Some New Accessories.
Screen Protector for PEG-NR series (PEGA-SP70) $9.99
Protect your LCD screen from scratches with the long lasting, reusable and ultra-thin Screen Protector. Easy to apply and remove.
Compatible with: PEG-NR series.
No more Brando needed :)
From the ClieClub in Japan pictures... It's the Battery Adapter charger:
Battery Adapter for PEG-NR / PEG-T series (PEGA-BC10) $39.99
Extend the running time of your CLIﾉ handheld with the Battery Adapter. This lightweight Battery Adapter uses four AA-size batteries*, which can fully charge a CLIﾉ handheld. A perfect back-up when you're traveling.
Compatible with: PEG-NR and PEG-T series.
* Compatible with Sony AA size dry alkaline batteries. Also compatible with Sony NiMH and NiCd rechargeable batteries. Batteries and battery chargers sold separately
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RE: Some New Accessories.
RE: Some New Accessories.
I think your "mini-laptop" phrase is very perceptive. Sony has released a number of VAIO laptops in the past that sought to push the small-size envelope. I suspect you're right in suggesting that they intend this to be part-PDA, part-superminilaptop. That would certainly explain the pricing.
RE: Some New Accessories.
Anyhow, my point was that many people were claiming that you could just keep this in the form with the screen exposed and it would be just like a normal PDA. While that is true, with the keyboard folded away, it then offers you no protection for the screen.
8 Megs Flash.. wow..
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RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
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--JM
RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
Or maybe it will be os5 upgradable???
RE: 8 Megs Flash.. wow..
I was wondering myself why they added extra flash memory. I expect that they might make a few updates or upgrades to make the Palm OS more personalized with multimedia functions. They already have done that with past models. Lucky future users can get jackflash and get a hold of all that memory!! :D
battery life did get mentioned
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Don't get me wrong, I love my T615, but Sony really needs to work on their battery life. The NR is feature packed, but wouldn't last a single day for me.
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Mac support
When you said "Sony has not yet added support for the Mac OS" do you know if they are planning on it someday or will we continue to need the Markspace driver? I really wish they would at least officially support hotsyncing.
Thanks for keeping up such a great site.
RE: Mac support
The Palm Desktop for OS X will allow some Sony models to HotSync. Of course, none of the specialized conduits are included. There is no way at this point to know whether the NR series will work with it.
I know Mark/Space is working on NR support.
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RE: Mac support
RE: Mac support
RE: Mac support
The only thing The Missing Sync does that Palm Desktop doesn't is to mount the CLIE's Memory Stick on the Desktop. For that, I already use Sony's Memory Stick PC Card Adapter in my PowerBook G4 in conjunction with my CyberShot camera, and it works like a charm in either OS 9 or OS X. I haven't tried the USB reader, but I assume it works pretty much the same, since the stick drive in the camera mounts up over USB without any problems. This has the added advantages of not requiring cables (and you wouldn't want to mount a volume over IR), and not using up any power on the device.
It's sad that because of a mistake in early CLIEs, Sony is still having trouble selling into the Mac market, even though the original problem is long since solved.
Whats the screen technology...
On sonys site it says the screen is 320x480 with backlights... which leads me to think its just a backlit screen... but thats useless outdoors... would they cripple such a device with an non-outdoor readable screen?
RE: Whats the screen technology...
I'm sure people would be more freaked out by "Trans-Reflective Backlit LCD Screen"
I'm under the strong impression that it's Transreflective.
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RE: Whats the screen technology...
RE: Whats the screen technology...
Transflective *IS* backlit. It combines the superior backlighting of the traditional back-lit PDA, with the outdoor viewability of a side-lit PDA.
The Palm m130 has a screen like the 615, except the colors are perfect, and it doesn't have hi-res.
I'm an m505 owner, but I must say I'm jealous as h*ll of the m130's screen.
RE: Whats the screen technology...
RE: Whats the screen technology...
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RE: Whats the screen technology...
No, the m130 has a TRANSREFLECTIVE backlit screen. It's not exactly like the T615, but it's the same technology. It looks a little different because it's plastic, not glass.
Perhaps you should check the facts next time before posting a comment that implicitly says "I'm ignorant."
Initial Reactions
My second thought is that wow, this is a cool device, but...I think I'll stick with my m130 until OS5 devices hit the market. I can't justify spending $400 for the m515 or the T615, so I certainly can't see dropping $500-600 for this(not including accessories), in spite of its "coolness."
The Sony-istas will probably flame me for refusing to make this purchase--they'll say I'm some retard who's clearly stupid regarding the apparent superiority of Sony products, as though I'm somehow inferior as a person because I'm perfectly happy with my m130.
Of course, I'll happily ignore the proclamations of the Sony-istas. I'll be fine using my Palm, and they'll...well, they'll remain what they are--people who have nothing better to do than issue personal attacks over something is inconsequential (in the whole scheme of life) as a PDA. Pity.
RE: Initial Reactions
I think you flamed yourself.
RE: Initial Reactions
"they'll say I'm some retard who's clearly stupid regarding the apparent superiority of Sony products, as though I'm somehow inferior as a person...."
Reply quote:
"I think you flamed yourself."
I....AM ......DYING .....LAUGHING
Flamed himself Haaaaaa.
That is right,never seen any one do that
Qoute original Post:
"I'll happily ignore the proclamations of the Sony-istas."
Never mind the "Sonyistas" you need a shrink, deal with your own self loathing.
LOL
Just kidding dude. Of course I know what you meant. Hope you have a sense of humor. You gotta admit the "Flamed yourself" comment is pretty funny when you look at your post. Couldnt help but add fuel to the "Fire."
RE: Initial Reactions
No, I think that was an attempt at fire prevention. I think you need to reread the post.
RE: Initial Reactions
iPAQ 64mb sells for $499 (if not cheaper on discount)
Zaurus 64 also sells for $499. (it even come with mini office suits surprisingly)
It seems Sony is banking that people will pay that much money for style.
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No matter how you spin it, this NR is very expensive compare to competition with more features.
RE: Initial Reactions
No matter how you spin it, this NR is very expensive compare to competition with more features.
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With the spare money one can get 2100ma battery replacement, that should make the gadget last about 12-14hrs continuously.
Or maybe replace the internal memory from 64Mb to 128 or 256Mb. (just stuff everything, including 2 hrs of mp3, time sink softwares and last 10 vacations photos, with room to spare for that boring office files.
Or maybe just get that just announced tri-band sleeve. (GPRS anybody?)
well, that's a message from PPC troll to you. reminding what PDA can go with that much money these days.
RE: Initial Reactions
Perhaps some of the topics posted here hits a nerve but if you cannot give a coherent rebuttal, butt out.
What a Flame!
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RE: Initial Reactions
RE:Loox.
And there's a heck of a lot of diffrence between what you see at a trade expo and what actually happens - I mean, even PPC's manage to look at least half-assed in a demo enviroment like that.
Iam, iam, nondum
No wireless or POTS modem capability yet.
No full-size, folding keyboard option.
Twisting clam shell design seems to add extra bulk only for the sake of a thumb keyboard and a novelty camera.
Think I'll wait for this screen in a smaller, more traditional PDA design, eg, a T625c. Wonder what Handera is up to ...?
Thanks, Robrecht
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Of course some people like thumb keyboards. But at least Blackberrys have wonderful email capability.
Thanks, Robrecht
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Thanks, Robrecht
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"Remember, friends, you don't have to buy the one with the camera! Save $100 and do without!"
Agreed. I rather buy a digital camera using either mem stick or sd technology for my m500 or clie s360 (loan). I can even find one cheaper than 100 bucks.
RE: Iam, iam, nondum
OR, save $500-600 by keeping what you've got if it does what you need. Face it--the NR series is a gadget-lover's dream, but it's hardly a product that expands the real functionality of a PDA (even though it might look like it does).
Here's what the NR series really does:
1) Adds processing power
2) Increases POSSIBLE screen size (you can't really argue that it has TRUE virtual graffiti YET--graffiti comes up automatically, so what it has is software-based graffiti)
3) Decreases battery life
4) Builds in a keyboard
5) Builds in a camera
6) Builds in an mp3 player
Here's what the NR series DOESN'T do:
1) Increase memory
2) Add a modem
3) Add built-in wireless
4) Employ TRUE virtual graffiti (like the Handera--a flawed, but innovative, device)
5) Add networking capability
6) Improve battery life, or at least add more function to existing battery life
Granted, some of the things the NR series doesn't do will require OS5, but that's partly my point. This is a neat device--a gadget-lover's dream. But please stop foaming at the mouth as though this is somehow as revolutionary a product as, say, the original Apple Macintosh was in its day. It's simply not--get over it, wipe off your chin, and change your shirt--the collar's soaked.
I ask you: is that innovation?
Sony and 'Standards'.
Using Sony's previous expansions (Memory Stick, and the 320x320 screen) as examples, all I can say is 'I hope to god not.' - Memory stick is slow and deeply flawed as an expansion technology compared to CF, or even the almost-as-ridiculous SD. Their 'screen expansion technology' is a battery sucking hardware kludge. The only reason they offered their 'screen expansion' for inclusion into Palm's OS was as a poison pill. Anybody trying to use it would be stuck with Sony's implemntation and resolution - and guess who the only current major manuf. of 320x320 screens is? If you guessed 'Sony', you're right!
Rotating screen hinge fragile?
Since the first pictures arrived all I can think of is that hinge must be tiny (can't be any wider than the thinkness of the screen) and must be fragile. And since its the only point of attachment for the entire screen assembly I wonder if a little pressure applied at the wrong moment (like when the screen is half rotated as in
http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_NR70_11_S.jpg) is going to create a problem?
Bas
RE: Rotating screen hinge fragile?
My thoughts are that it either has to be unbelievably strong, or it has to have an easily detachable connection, so that if the wrong type of pressure is applied, it would safely snap off.
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RE: Rotating screen hinge fragile?
RE: Rotating screen hinge fragile?
Very true, and they are tougher than they look. I have had one of them for about 4 years, and none of my kids have broken the flip-and-rotate screen yet.
nice but no thank you
RE: nice but no thank you
N760 Control wand and NR70 the same interface?
RE: N760 Control wand and NR70 the same interface?
Magnesium case
RE: Magnesium case
Also, if you ever get stranded in the mountians, you can use the case for tinder, scrape off little chips of the case into a little pile, get a spark to it, and the damn stuff will burn.
I bet thats one feature you didn't see in the brochure.
RE: Magnesium case
NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
RE: NO MEMORY STICK INCLUDED?
Rubber added to stylus
I hope that I will be able to purchase the "added rubber" stylus and use it in my T615c.
By the way, here's an idea for a new product: a combination stylus/ink pen that has a little tool on the top for pushing the inferior up/down button on the T615c.
RE: Rubber added to stylus
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RE: Rubber added to stylus
Anybody have a link?
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RE: who's pre ordering???
RE: who's pre ordering???
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RE: who's pre ordering???
RE: who's pre ordering???
RE: who's pre ordering???
I pre-ordered an NR70V from Amazon.
There, I said it.
Yeah, I know it's $600 bucks, and that even thinking about buying one marks me as an idiot of the first order, but hey, it's my money and I don't feel like waiting for OS5 to ship before upgrading my m505.
And since we've already established that I'm an idiot, I can freely confess here that in addition to my m505, I also own both an iPAQ and an HP J568. As such, I am more than willing to accept the NR's (presumed) less-than-stellar battery life - though, truth be told, that damn 568 goes forever on a charge...
The NR Looks like a killer device to me. I can't wait to get my hands on it.
-Adam
RE: who's pre ordering???
yes I did get a T-shirt that reads "Palm Sucks" together with the order of 100 units of Clie NR70.
RE: who's pre ordering???
The $600 is outrageous. The $500 is outrageous. That is what will make it so much fun.
Everything I ever wanted. Replaces
Paper
Typewriter
Photo Album
Diary
Gameboy (which I won't use myself, but it will make friends and family envious)
Music boxes of all kinds
Desktop computer
Camera
Tape Recorder
Remote Control for TV
Remote viewer for TV recordings
But even if it were just there for the Word Processing, I would pay $600 for it.
RE: who's pre ordering???
"and I don't feel like waiting for OS5 to ship before upgrading my m505."
When OS5 comes out you are going to wish that you waited and didn't waste your money. I bought the m500 when it first came out, and NOW i wished I waited till the monochrome s360 came out first. But that's my problem.
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RE: who's pre ordering???
"When OS5 comes out you are going to wish that you waited and didn't waste your money. I bought the m500 when it first came out, and NOW i wished I waited till the monochrome s360 came out first. But that's my problem."
Hardly. When OS5 comes out I'm going to wait like everyone else to see which company releases the most compelling device, and then, wait for the bugs to be ironed out of said device. We're talking at least until October here, if not later. And in the meantime, I'll be having a blast with my overpriced, underpowered PEG-NR70V. Besides, how does the release of OS5 detract from the functionality of the NR? There's ALWAYS something better coming down the pike. For instance, I'll also be replacing my HP J568 (purchased last October) with an XScale Fujitsu-Siemens LOOX as soon as they're released. Doubtless, another PPC2002 OEM will be coming out with an even more powerful PPC soon thereafter. And thus, the cycle continues.
-Adam
PS - Yes, a fool and his money are easily parted... But hey, it keeps me off the heroin.
landscape mode?
RE: landscape mode?
To keep everyone happy: I like my Sony, but its not for everyone. I'm not jumping on the NR-70 right now. Too much, too soon. It is good to see that there is a device out there for everyone though.
"We're a planet of nearly six billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants."
-Scott Adams
RE: landscape mode?
See the following link:
http://www.cesinc.com/quickoffice/handera330/
Thanks, Robrecht
RE: landscape mode?
Can I get a copy of these videos from you some how?
I would love to try that out. Most of the videos for teal are not great.
Thanks.
You'll have to wait for people to invent the SONY CLIE wheel
Clie Mail Program
RE: Clie Mail Program
RE: Clie Mail Program
RE: Clie Mail Program
Clie Mail has been among the bundled software since the S-series for the Japanese models. It is multi-account POP mail client. Before the NR-series, it allows attachment in the format of PGP picture, .pdb, .prc files. The new version support jpeg attachment.
Summary Of Attachement supported:
From RAM
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* PG Pocket pictures
* address record (.vcf files)
* memo (.txt files)
* .prc files
* .pdb files
Directly from MS
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* DCF (jpeg) files
* PGP pictures
- Eugene
RE: Clie Mail Program
jog dial
RE: jog dial
"We're a planet of nearly six billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants."
-Scott Adams
RE: jog dial
Useless? In Portrait mode it's in the same place regardless of wether you're using the screen clamshell or flipped down. In landscape mode (if that's something they're going to offer), then you're right in that it'll be on the top or bottom, but it's still going to be in the vacinity of an index finger. The HandEra API lets you choose which way you want the rotation for landscape mode (90 or 270), so it'd be thoughtful for them to follow that template, except some apps like QuickOffice which only have a checkbox for "rotate" and force a particular orientation on you. Fortunately I believe only QuickOffice uses that restrictive approach.
-Craig Bowers
RE: jog dial
You open the clam, and FLIP/TURN the screen and then close the clam.
The whole bottom half (jog dial) of the clie stays put. you still have access to it.
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Announced a day after Zaurus
What that means is that this should EXPAND Palm OS market share (at the expense of PPC, Sharp, etc) as much as take away from other Palm Source licensees.
While this isn't an OS 5 device, this is exactly what Palm Source has in mind to make it's OS ubiquitious and applicable to every kind of device on the market.
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
Of course, I'd also like to test-drive the new Sony, but my impressions right now are that the Zaurus would be the better PDA. At least it has a name.
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
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> Best Buy, or Office Depot.
I got to try one out at Circuit City. Very nice. Includes apps to work with MS Word, PowerPoint and Excel.
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Palm m100 - $40
Palm m105 - $80
Palm m125 - $120
Palm m130 - $199
Palm m500 - $199
Palm m505 - $250
Palm m515 - $350
Sony Clie PEG-S360 - $199
Sony Clie PEG-T415 - $220
Sony Clie PEG-T615 - $399
Sony Clie NR70 - $499
Sony Clie NR70V - $599
Treo 180 - $399 (depending on airtime contract)
Visor Edge - $100
Visor Pro - $250
etc etc
This are probably the average price on the retail level/internet sales not the recommended price
The great thing is all of these runs on PalmOS. On the PPC level, the cheapest PPC 2000 model is around $300. There are other CE models that are around $100 but the softwares made for those are not backward compatible with the new PPC models with ARM processors. As for the Zairus, it's good, but it does not have the amount of 3rd party softwares available (yet!).
Go PalmOS!
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
Lack of innovation? what innovation do you expect exactly? built in fusion reactor? portable time machine? or zero emission motor?
Are you referring to the innovative "vibrating alarm" in m5xx? or the non existance "SDIO" application in Palm OS? how about file system and multitasking?
meanwhile, in PPC-land where innovation is lacking, people can install 256Mb internal memory/40Gig external, having a GPRS connection, browse the web, open and manipulate office file. Oh, and that dubious "multimedia" I suppose.
I am sure the world is in awe over the latest Palm Inc m515 'innovative' offering.
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
Clie is not a name?
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
SL 5500 is a name?
RE: Announced a day after Zaurus
You can add me to those 6 (actually 20 MILLION potential upgraders who currently own Palms) and I am an Ipaq user who is sick, absolutely sick of this piece of junk. Mostly sick of it's pathetic OS.
...Wondering
As soon as someone figures out how to move the US O/S across a copper wire - everyone will be buying the Japanese version and cloning it.
RE: ...Wondering
Higgy
RE: ...Wondering
If only they could trim it shorter!
Too many choices
AM
Extended warranty?
;-)
I am sooooo glad I didn't buy the 615 today before coming home to check my email and stuff! Now I can just save a few more bucks, wait for the targus stowaway adapter and look forward to a GREAT spring!
RE: Extended warranty?
> stowaway adapter and look forward to a GREAT spring!
Another life saved by consumer electronics! Now my evening is complete!
Higgy
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Clie
Oh wait....Sorry, force of habit. :P
RE: Clie
So partialy you are right about everyone should get a Clie :)
RE: Clie
As for Sony offerings being better than Palm offerings at evey level, what you trolls don't understand is that it depends on the user. I own a T615 and an m515, but I pretty much only use the m515. The T615 sits in a drawer at home. I am considering giving it to one of my relatives. Hopefully she won't become a troll =].
A Poll on the Price Point?
Can you please make a poll on whether $500 & $600 Palm is too expensive for them?
Bluetooth Memory Stick
Horizontal screen....
future design thoughts
But I really have to wonder: what function does separating the base from the screen serve? Or, rather, what interesting features could be build into this base in the future? As it stands, it offers little more than a mini keyboard and the default hardware buttons. Other than that, with the screen removed, it's a big hunk of usable surface. What could be put on that surface in the future?
Could this base be detached? Would it be desireable to have a detachable (Bluetooth?) base?
The possibilities are endless! This model really makes it seem like it must be fun to be a Sony engineer. Well done Sony!
(btw- I'm on my 7th Palm. But this one really makes me take stock...)
RE: future design thoughts
a begining of a revolution.
Eventually, people will use a PDA as
their main computing platform.
PC will be a PDA's companion.
When you go to work, you pull out your PDA,
plug in into a dock to use a big screen
and full size keyboard.
When you go home, do the same with the dock at home.
RE: future design thoughts
Hilarious! Though your future perspective is an interesting one, this Clie does absolutely nothing to take computing in that direction!
NO FUTURE design thoughts
Naturally multitasking was at the former machine an board.
Newton & Psion where PDA working horses .
Today we get cheap (thought expensive in the shops) kids crap:
mp3, pictures and video for the most stupid boys around instead. Thats not what I call a revolution, its a jump back into the cradle / or stoneage of mobile computing .
A sad sad story for a long term PDA follower that PDA turn into Nintendo games for low class underaged, instead of refined tools.
The Sony marks the end of creative mobile computing and the vitory of BayWatch
RE: future design thoughts
*Wheeeze* ''Back in my day...'' *Cough*
"Hey! Gary Trudeau used to advertise for 'em! For free, he loved 'em so much!"
"Well *hack* *Hack* At least I can still load stuff onto it with my Amiga!"
RE: future design thoughts
But unfortunately, it has been a failure.
And Palm is a success.
Palm makes a PDA in a format that people
can accept.
IC is not that much different than a transitor at the
beginning, except it's smaller. It started a revolution.
For a PDA to be the main computing platform, it needs to solve the input, power and screen problem.
Input and power are not probelms for the current PDAs anymore.
and Clie NR makes a big leap in screen. That is why
I said it starts a revolution.
Without solving the screen problem, PDA cann't become
the main platform.
It is irrelevant that PC's CPU speed keeps improving.
206MHz ARM CPU is fast enough for most of our work,
except running Photoshop, etc. I guess. And ARM chips
speend are improving too. So that is why I said
PCs will be the companion of PDAs. You
only use it when you need to run Photoshop.
I have a 750MHz PC for quite a while. And I don't
think I need to upgrade to a 2GHz machine for a long time. You know when I think my PC is slow? When
I boot it up every morning. :-( And all PDA boot up
instantly.
In Asia, where most people don't have cars, they consider even laptop PC are very clumsy. I think they
will use PDA as their main computing platform sooner or later.
ted
RE: future design thoughts
Are you sure you know what you are talking about ~~. What makes you think Most people has no car in Asia. And I don't see how most people not having cars will make PDA the notebook replacement. While Laptop is not yet very successful as a desktop replacement, you already want a laptop replacement !?
if you think PC laptops are very clumsy, get an iBook, it's not clumsy at all.
I don't think Asian will use PDA as their main Computing platform anytime soon, while most of them think PDA is just a very expensive datebook, you are wasting your time even starting to think it'll be a laptop replacement.
RE: future design thoughts
And Palm is a success."
And Ironicly Both microsoft and Palm are working towards where Newton OS was in 1997. Now I really wonder was Newton a success, a failure, or just way too ahead of their time.
LoL and in case you didn't know you don't really BOOTUP your PDA, you just wakeup your PDA. there's major instability in your PDA if you need to reboot it.
RE: future design thoughts
A larger screen resolution is definitely a must for good display of information - eg. tables, graphs, websites, formatted notes etc. These suggestions have been made the suggestion for ages, including all the variations of 320x320, 320x480, as well as even more aggressive 640x480, and even beyond that with microscreens that fit on eye-glasses - of sxga and beyond. Samsung has already implemented a large screen albeit in a largish device called Nexio. It unfortunately uses WinCE as its OS and may have bad battery life BUT it does cram in WVGA of 800x480 into a 5.1 inch screen. Check out http://www.samsungelectronics.com/news/digital_media/com_news_1010561871750_001300.html. I am glad that Sony is speeding up the implementation of better and better screen technology before the advent of OS5. After that, Sony would probably leave all others as they warp into even greater resolutions.
A virtual keyboard on the other half of the NR70s will make it at least 320x960. May be hard to use though. I would like a device to cram in more resolution into a slightly physically larger area.
For the future, wireless transmission to a eye-glass type screen with voice input and control would obviously be even more mobile. And for even further into the future, lasers that create images onto our retina via eye-glasses which otherwise look ordinary, would be even less conspicuous. Of course, these would be via wireless transmission, and thought activated and controlled. I stop short of implants.
David
RE: future design thoughts
I visited Asia every year. Most people over there don't
have car because they use public transportation.
Even an iBook is clumsy if you need to carry it
around all day. Next time pay a visit to Hong Kong
and carry your iBook and you will find out.
My laptop already repalces my desktop PC as my main
machine. Main of my co-workers already do this.
I didn't realize it until I found out I haven't used my
desktop PC ( or Mac for that matter) for a long time.
ted
RE: future design thoughts
The reason why it failed is up to each person's view.
Their vision is great. But the technology at that time
cann't make that vision an acceptable realty
to PDA users. And the Newton team doesn't make
the right tradeoff between functions and form factors,
weight, cost, etc.
ted
RE: future design thoughts
longer and longer pretty quickly.
The screen is the main problem. They can pact more and
more pixels into that screen. But the viewing size doesn't change if they make it larger.
I think for most usage, 320x480 is enough. (address book, appointment, etc.) But other times we do
want a larger screen, say, when we view photos,
do programming, or even running Photoshop. In that
case, we can somehow pull out the other half screen
to make it 640x480.
I don't know how this can be done.
I think 640x480 is better than 320x960.
Maybe they can put the hinge on the side instead of
the top.
ted
RE: future design thoughts
ted
Reflash ROM
RE: Reflash ROM
Based on past experience, I think you'll probably be able to re-flash to ROM to the English version. It seems like a big risk to save a hundred bucks, tho. If anything goes wrong, you are ether stuck with a CLIE in a language you don't speak or, worst case, an expensive paperweight. Re-flashing the ROM will end your warranty. Wait, if you buy it from Hong Kong, I don't think you get a warranty at all. Not unless you take it back to Hong Kong for repairs.
RE: Reflash ROM
1. You probably won't be able to flash it until long after the US Clie is available for awhile. The warez people still need some time, and you'll have to search warez sites for it.
2. The Clie will be utterly useless to you until you can flash it, unless of course you can read the language...
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RE: Reflash ROM
RE: Reflash ROM
Sony's numeric policy
based on my past experience with Sony products, I can tell you that this model might not be theie top flagship model. it might be...for now...but I can see a similar pattern here that might suggest so.
The '3' series is marketed for the low end market
The '6' series, right now is for the middle end market
The '7' series, is currently for the high end market
I believe that once OS 5 is released, Sony might release a '9' and '5' model. This is very very similar to their pricing policy on Minidisc players where the '9' models are the best and most expensive and the '3' series are the lowest in price (and also the bulkiest). The move to using magnesium casing is also another give away. High end Minidisc players on Sony's lists uses Magnesium, whereas the lower end either uses plastic or aluminium. Who knows, i might be wrong, but I do think they should release a very high end model with Titanium casing in super thin form factor.
NR series problems . . . .
http://www.palmblvd.com/boards/sonyclienr70nr70v/messages/53.html
RE: NR series problems . . . .
RE: NR series problems . . . .
The idiots at Palm Source are doing nothing to standardize the APIs for hi-res or virtual graffiti support in OS 5. So, don't expect anything there.
RE: NR series problems . . . .
RE: NR series problems . . . .
Can you have a Palm 505 AND a Sony Clie on the same PC?
RE: Can you have a Palm 505 AND a Sony Clie on the same PC?
however I do believe that the newer palm os has programs such as expense and notepad that are not part of the sony-palm os. I think here it might work by installing your m505 first and then adding your clie.
RE: Can you have a Palm 505 AND a Sony Clie on the same PC?
for sale
figures just got it now they comeout with the new.
cool but
Now Palm is going to cry....
Except the size of RAM (m515 has 16MB and N760C has 8MB), this is the onmly thing I see that they are able to "innovate" !
Can they ever catch up? Can they start to design something new other tham painting their Palm into different colors?
RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
Have you noticed that you're talking about something which were done by SONY **one year ago** and Palm never able to do touch the edge of it even till now?
And you missed another great thing for those users who use their PDA between home and office -- MS Import (it sets your expansion card as a removeable hard drive on the PC, you read/write/edit files just like any other hard drives)
RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
Can your Palm do that?
I don't think its fair to compare the Clies with the Palms, the former is aimed at the high-end market, the latter one is more for the mainstream user, people who just want an electronic datebook and address book.
RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
Have you noticed that you're talking about something which were done by SONY **one year ago** and Palm never able to do touch the edge of it even till now?
And it was available on version 2 of WinCE. Hell, half of it was available on the Newton. Please. How do people get so easily sucked into Microsoft's little pee-pee measuring contests? "WE'VE got more fe-churz than you do. You Suxors. We Rooole."
Palm's trying to remain faithful to their market, which hinges heavily on pricepoint and utility - Sony is trying to remain faithful to theirs, which the NR70 is a perfect fit for, if a little large/awkward.
And you missed another great thing for those users who use their PDA between home and office -- MS Import
MS Import is more usefull for selling memory sticks than anything else. For the price of 100mb of Memory Stick and an extra cradle, you could buy a pair of Zip drives and shuttle files all day long with a format that won't leave you up kaka creek if you drop your CLIE - You can stop in at almost any copy shop and use a Zip drive. And a low-end CDRW drive is under $100 - 700MB is a lot of memory stick. And on the smaller end, PC's are largely still equipped with floppy drives, which are hard to beat on either size, price, or platform independance. I guess it might be usefull for mac owners, but AFAIK, it dosen't exsist for the mac yet.
I /am/ the eggman.
RE: Now Palm is going to cry....
Whoa!! Who said the NR series will be replacing the N700 series? There will be a ANOTHER new clie in the $400-450 dollar range in the next few weeks. That will be the one that will replace the n700 series not the NR.
What a waste of money
an eraser?
Donate half the money to children in need and you will
rejoice more with the smile of a human being than a
flashy piece of plastic.
My 2 cents.
RE: What a waste of money
In my experience you don't see smiles when you give needy human beings money (at least, needy American human beings). You see scowls and hear demands to know why you didn't give more, sooner. You become expected to provide more in the future on a regular basis.
Needy American humans seem to believe that being needy is a job for which they should be paid. The last straw for me was when I gave a guy on the street a couple of bucks and he made a comment about how he should go back to armed robbery. Give a $20 tip to a waitress working for minimum wage and you'll get a smile. Give $20 to a panhandler on the street and you're lucky if you don't get spit on. In short, I've been forced to drastically reevaluate my estimation of the innate value of human beings.
You want a lasting smile, you tip well for good service and take pictures of them with your NR70V.
RE: What a waste of money
RE: What a waste of money
That's depressing
RE: What a waste of money
Why not just replace you computer with a typewriter?
That's the equivalent analogy to the one you made.
There are things that you can do on a PDA that you can never do on a pad of paper. The whole argument is so incredibly silly. I don't know a single person who uses their PDA just to take notes.
application buttons.
RE: application buttons.
RE: application buttons.
RE: application buttons.
RE: application buttons.
T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
m515 is DISCONTINUED says CircuitCity Rep
RE: m515 is DISCONTINUED says CircuitCity Rep
RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
RE: m515 is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
I just came home from BBuy, the T615 and m515 are $399 each and ALL PDAS have a $25 mail in rebate this week.
Amazing how a single individual can start false rumors in such a dramatic way "T615 is DISCONTINUED says...." , based on ignorance. The fact than you can't afford a Sony doesnt mean you to post false statements.
RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Best Buy Rep
RE: T615C is DISCONTINUED says Roman Catholic Church
Pre-order NR70 for $475, NR70 for $565
I've figured out why Sony charges so much!
- $100-$200 - "This works for me now. Maybe I'll get something else later."
- $200-$250 - "I really DO have a nice PDA. It does nifty stuff. Let me show you."
- $250-$350 - "I obviously know more about PDAs than you do - Isen't mine great?"
- $350-$400 - "YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT FOR BUYING SOMETHING ELSE! Only THIS PDA can (send faxes/play MP3s/coordinate geosynchronous death laser platforms/display tiny sections of 400x200 spreadsheets/random 'cool' but marginally usefull task)!!! HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT IT????"
- $500-$1K - "I WILL KILL YOU FOR BESMIRCHING THE HOLY NAME OF MY DEVICE! Everything else is just a cheap derivitave toy for losers! MY PDA was given to mankind by angels!"
This explains a lot of things - particularly why the Newton (Original sale price, $1K+) fans are STILL waging some sort of holy jihad, and PPC users spend so much time crusing opposition boards to just fling insults.
Sony is obviously overpricing their product to take advantage of this phenomenon - In a few years, they'll have thousands of ready-to-die-for-their-PDA shock troops, armed with CLIEs(Is that the the correct plural? Should it be CLIE in plural, too?) and pointy stili, ready to take over the United States...
I /am/ the eggman.
Strong Opinions Sought
http://www.palmloyal.com/store/exec/search.cgi
Guys, take a look and let me know if it is effective. How can we make it better?
P.S. The NR Series looks to be a great device.
Carl Brooks
http://www.palmloyal.com
RE: Strong Opinions Sought
where is firewire
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this is great
though wahat sucks is that when i went to the sony store, they said that the t615 will be released in may in canada. oh well, just another 6 months to go...
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