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Palm Inc. has released a new version of its desktop client for Windows PCs. Palm Desktop 4.1 offers a desktop client for the built-in Expense app which allows users to export info to Microsoft Excel or Word. It also has the ability to automatically remove all duplicate entries from the Address Book, Date Book, To Do's and Memos. This app has been released by Palm for Palm-branded handhelds, though it will work with some models from other manufacturers. The update is free.

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didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 4:38:31 PM #

tried it on my NT 4.0 work computer. It deleted my palm desktop and hot sync manager then exited with "internal error"

RE: didn't work 4 me

overbeek @ 7/31/2002 5:12:49 PM #

Installed flawlessly on my Dell Latitude with W2000 and M505. The only thing I noticed was that it took all the categories in expense and dumped everything to 'unfiled'... so make sure that won't mess you up too bad. Otherwise, no problems.

RE: didn't work 4 me

c_blue @ 7/31/2002 5:29:16 PM #

It worked just fine in my NT 4 sp6a. It didn't erase my desktop to go conduits as I expected.

C_Blue

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 11:46:11 PM #

Perfect integration with Compaq Evo N160.

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 4:48:23 AM #

I was concerned because I had some conduits (avantgo, doctogo, worldmate, acrobat reader). But it worked fine in my win2k laptop.

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 1:35:12 PM #

FAQ on Palm website indicates you need Service Pack 6

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q1C623961

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 10:07:53 PM #

reply to previous post. I have Nt 4.0 service pack 6 but it would not run. I thought it might be my CLIE when I read about the problems with this and sony products but this stops just on the install before I even connect my CLIE by serial. It might have to be installed as administrator rather than just as an account with membership in the administrator group.

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/4/2002 12:40:52 PM #

I have Windows XP Pro, with all updates that are on line. And I had the same problem. Un-install old and then hang up and not finish install. Could not find user data?
What gives?

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 7:37:14 AM #

I have problem with installation on Win2000 sp3. Both upgrade install from 4.01 or clean install would not work.

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2002 11:11:26 PM #

Hi,

All installation went OK on my XP machine, except that when installing avantgo, the relevant (avantgo) conduit does not install itself. Can't see it in the hotsync list.

Any solution to get the avantgo conduit back ?

Regards
Pierre

RE: didn't work 4 me

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/6/2002 12:33:39 PM #

Installed fine on Win2000(SP2), but Desktop would not run--gives error and dies. Guess I'll go back to 4.0.1.

Anyone try it with Sony Clie T615c or similar?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 5:00:33 PM #

I will probably try this myself to see what happens. But if some brave soul has already taken the plunge, I'd love to hear about it.

RE: Anyone try it with Sony Clie T615c or similar?

PDA Guy @ 7/31/2002 5:12:16 PM #

Works fine with my 615C, as well as my m515 and i705.

RE: Anyone try it with Sony Clie T615c or similar?

tpipher @ 7/31/2002 5:19:25 PM #

Works on my 615. I had Sony Desktop and installed on top, the Palm Fatal Errored, I then reinstalled the Sony Desktop overtop of the Palm and worked fine and all the new stuff remains and works fine. LOVE the duplicate finder!!!

Upgrade on Sony Clie t615

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 9:58:23 PM #

I upgraded it on my clie 615.... clie crashed and had to revert back to 4.01 for clie.... guess it's not compat. w/ sony! :-(

RE: Anyone try it with Sony Clie T615c or similar?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 11:22:18 AM #

I have the NR-70 and installed the desktop update on my home and work computers. No problems at all.

RE: Anyone try it with Sony Clie T615c or similar?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/2/2002 6:13:51 PM #

HMm I upgraded the Sony Clie NR70 Palm Desktop, and the software found and upgraded the old Palm Desktop, but the unit would not sync - could not connect to the PC, despite being able to us MS Import and AudioPlayer to transfer files. Had to go back to Sony's Palm Desktop. Any ideas?

RE: Anyone try it with Sony Clie T615c or similar?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 9:36:54 PM #

Try deleting the PalmUSBD.sys file from C:\WINNT\system32\drivers and also uninstalling the 'Sony Handheld' USB driver from the Device Manager (you'll need to perform a HotSync while the Device Manager window is open so that the Sony USB driver appears in the list).

Is there a Sony version??

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 5:45:19 PM #

i'm hoping so

RE: Is there a Sony version??

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 9:06:33 PM #

It would not sync with the 610, just gave a fatal error. Nice job Palm.

RE: Is there a Sony version??

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 9:53:59 PM #

As the article says, which you apparently didn't read, "This app has been released by Palm for Palm-branded handhelds" It is up to Sony to make a version for your n610c. You are confusing Palm and PalmSource. Palm makes the m500 series, a competitor to your CLIE. They couldn't care less if your can't use this app, you bought a competitor's product. Might as well get mad at Ford because your Chevy doesn't work.

RE: Is there a Sony version??

jjsoh @ 7/31/2002 9:54:31 PM #

: It would not sync with the 610, just gave a fatal
: error. Nice job Palm.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it Sony's problem and not Palm's? Can CLIÉ owners tell me if Sony comes with their own modified version of Palm Desktop?

Jim

RE: Is there a Sony version??

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 11:07:49 PM #

Good News - it worked on my Palm M505. Don't worry, it works on Palms!

RE: Is there a Sony version??

jjsoh @ 7/31/2002 11:07:51 PM #

'Doh! I guess I wasn't fast enough.

I posted my message right after the previous post which explains it all. Oh well.. ^_^

Jim

RE: Is there a Sony version??

wilco @ 8/1/2002 1:11:19 AM #

Shouldn't the hotsync software be done by Palmsource (The same way Activesync is done by Microsoft) and not Palm? The syncronization is an integral part of a PDA OS so it should be done by Palmsourc who should produce one that works across the whole spectrum of devices.... Another of Palmsource shortsightedness....

RE: Is there a Sony version??

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 7:05:28 AM #

It worked with my Clie 760C. Should work on your 610C.

RE: Is there a Sony version??

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 8:29:46 AM #

Wait for the next model.

The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 6:27:21 PM #

But does anyone really use Palms desktop? I mean its pretty useless as a productivity tool. I'd rather keep my sync going to Outlook and Yahoo....

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 6:34:09 PM #

> But does anyone really use Palms desktop? I mean its pretty useless as a productivity tool. I'd rather keep my sync going to Outlook and Yahoo....

Some prefer the simplicity of Palm desktop, ntm Outlooks tendency towards vulnerability.

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 6:43:18 PM #

I find the desktop extremely convenient and quick. I wish it could do some of the things that ActionNames does on the pda (link events to address book entries and icons). Maybe Iamic can come up with a conduit that does that, hint hint.

Definitely don't feel safe/comfortable running Outlook.

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 7:23:23 PM #

Yup, Outlook scares me. I've used Palm Desktop since my Pilot 1000 days - and it still does everything I need.

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 1:12:23 AM #

I've tried syncing with Outlook, Lotus Notes, Time and Chaos, and the Franklin Planner and I keep coming back to Palm Desktop. It's simple, fast, syncs correctly every time and with little or no fanfare or extra garbage, it just gets the job done. Outlook never seemed to sync all the info correctly the first time, there were always some things buggered up. I just don't have time for that.

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 1:14:43 AM #

Once, Outlook droped my ~2000 records and reported a database error, then I gave up and decided not to use it anymore. So far palm desktop still keep all my records safely.

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 7:50:46 AM #

Perhaps you should keep some type of backup file of your outlook information. To bad you had to learn the hard way.

RE: The new colour schemes are nice!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 3:32:22 PM #

maybe you dont know how to use Outlook. I've been syncing to my outlook since I had my Palm Pro. yeah, in the beginning was a little hard.. but its great now. used it with PalmV and PalmM515. Plus if i have been using Outlook for these years. why the hell would i want to start using Palm Desktop

worth using???

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 3:40:16 PM #

i dont even remember using the desktop version from Palm. I have always use Outlook... is it even worth upgrading????

What a dog...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 7:08:14 PM #

I'm really wondering what the developers of Palm Desktop were thinking... did they even test this software? Go to the Memo Pad, put your cursor in the text of a message on the right -- logic dictates that you could actually EDIT THE DAMNED MEMO from here. No, you have to hit "edit memo" and pull up a floating window -- nearly identical to the message pane on the right -- and edit from there. It's absurd.

RE: What a dog...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 7:22:05 PM #

Are you on drugs? I can edit my memo's without hitting "Edit Memo". The pane on the right side is editable...

RTFM

RE: What a dog...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 8:16:58 PM #

Maybe it's you who's on drugs. Or maybe you aren't using the same version. In reading the effing manual for the desktop for 4.0.1, I came across:

"To edit memo text, double-click the memo."

Now, stop being such a harsh mistress.

RE: What a dog...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 8:34:07 PM #

You're using the old version if it says 4.0.1, the new desktop is 4.1 and it does let you edit in the pane to the right.

RE: What a dog...

Altema @ 7/31/2002 10:40:24 PM #

I can double click on either the memo list or the pane on the right to go to edit mode in version 4.0.1. If you single click on the right pane, it just moves the cursor there... you have to double click. If it does not work for you in the same version, perhaps there's a problem with your installation.

RE: What a dog...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 6:11:40 AM #

me again... responder 2: sorry, I should have tried 4.1 before I mouthed off, looks like they have (finally) fixed this. It's been bugging me for a loooong time though.

you other dorks: what I'm complaining about is that there was an "edit mode" at all. Do you pull up an editing window to edit a paragraph in a word processor? Of course not, you just place the cursor in the paragraph and start typing. This is real basic stuff, folks.

RE: What a dog...

Altema @ 8/3/2002 10:34:54 PM #

The memo pad is part of the Palm Desktop... it's not a word processor although some may attempt to use it as such. I see you point about it being easier if you could just click once, but some prefer a little protection against others being able to accidently mess up memo pad documents so easily. A certain toddler who likes to play with the computer mouse comes to mind :O

4K Memo LIMIT

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/3/2002 10:50:30 PM #

I hope they get rid of the 4K Memo LIMIT in OS5/Desktop 5. Can somneone please tell me WHY this was a necessary limit for OS4/DESKTOP 4 and older?

RE: 4K Memo Limit

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 3:51:39 PM #

Fields in the Palm OS can only handle 4K of text. Since the memo is displayed in a field, the memo can only be 4K long.

Add an email client to make it complete

drw @ 7/31/2002 7:09:24 PM #

Then I wouldn't need outlook express at all. Expense would be usefull if one could set up custom 'types'.

---
David

RE: Add an email client to make it complete

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 8:43:00 AM #

Think your self lucky.

I've had a IIIx, IIIc, Visor and now a m125 and seeing the conduit for expenses decided to give the app a go only to find that Expense is removed from the m125 :-(

RE: Add an email client to make it complete

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 10:29:22 AM #

I big time agree with the first post here. I hate Outlook/Outlook Express. Why doesn't Palm put a simple email client in the desktop software and we can scrap using Outlook altogether. Is it possible to build a "plugin" for the Palm Desktop that will do this. Any developers out there want to take up the cause. I'd pay for it!

RE: Add an email client to make it complete

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 11:29:52 AM #

It would be nice also if I could have the conduit icons on the task bar (tinysheet, wordsmith, etc). I have managed to do it with "doc reader", but there´s a way to do it for the others? I haven´t found it

RE: Add an email client to make it complete

JoeHippy @ 10/21/2003 6:44:02 PM #

IMHO the following two desktop plugins would be the end of micro$oft lookout

email - to complete the suite
datebook5 - for the categories and links to other databases

Yahoo

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 8:41:32 PM #

HI,

quick question, how to sync to yahoo with the palm?

RE: Yahoo

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 8:53:55 PM #

You have to have a Yahoo account. Yahoo offers the Intellisync program to sync your Palm with Outlook, Yahoo Address book, ACT!, or Lotus Organizer. You can download it here : http://calendar.yahoo.com/?v=140&pi=100

RE: Yahoo

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 11:56:15 AM #

Also, please take a look at this article:
A Virtual Desktop with Yahoo! Calendar
www.palmtipsheet.com/html.texts/tipsht15.html#yahoo-calendar

RE: Yahoo

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/3/2002 6:43:37 AM #

Also you can get Yahoo mail (if you have subscribed to POP3 option) via a mail client that supports SMTP authetication (not the freeware multimail, but Eudora Mail for Palm works fine).

sounds like a minor upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 9:16:09 PM #

I was hoping for more..........

RE: sounds like a minor upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 9:58:02 PM #

Its only a move from 4.0 4.1, not 5.0.

What do you want for nothing, rubber biscuit?

RE: sounds like a minor upgrade

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 10:46:55 PM #

and that sounds exactly like what we got.........a rubber biscuit......

15+ Chiefs/Vice Presidents at Palm - What the hell have they been doing??????????

How dare anybody criticize Sony or MSFT for bringing out too many upgrades/new products!!!

2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 11:06:48 PM #

does it work with handspring?

is it free?

RFA

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 11:13:07 PM #

"This app has been released by Palm for Palm-branded handhelds, though it will work with some models from other manufacturers. The update is free. "

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 12:03:40 AM #

where can i download it?

Whaddaya mean, ''where can i download it?''

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 12:44:02 AM #

I have a four-letter word for you, lazy one. Guess what it is.

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 2:56:06 AM #

Is there an update for the Mac versio of the Palm Desktop ?

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 4:50:15 AM #

Will it run on a Pentium class PC running Windows 95/98/NT4.0/2000/ME or XP?

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 6:35:44 AM #

"Is there an update for the Mac versio of the Palm Desktop ?"

Unfortunately no but that is stated in the article.

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 3:24:36 PM #

This thread is the funniest thread I have read in PIC for the past few months!

RE: 2 important questions

sbabcock @ 8/1/2002 4:01:43 PM #

Will it run on Talkie Toaster?

(OK, I couldn't resist. Call me a Red Dwarf fan.)

Would you like some toast?

No heated bread-related products, please

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 5:08:32 PM #

Ditto!

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 6:56:41 PM #

Will it work with my AUDREY?

- Carl Y.

RE: 2 important questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/3/2002 1:06:08 PM #

RE: 2 important questions
Q:
does it work with handspring?
is it free?
A:
Yes
Yes

No e-mail conduit included in 4.1

hambug @ 8/1/2002 12:27:22 AM #

Before I installed ver 4.1 I un-installed ver 4.01 (Duh!!!, on my part) anyway I no longer have an e-mail conduit as ver 4.1 does not include one, isn't that sort of a silly omission? Any suggestions?

ham,(ham radio operator,N4WSH). bug, (I have a restored 66 VW Bug) = hambug :-)

RE: No e-mail conduit included in 4.1

hambug @ 8/1/2002 1:04:21 AM #

Let me answer my own question, you can download just the e-mail conduit from Palm.com I did and it works just fine ...........

ham,(ham radio operator,N4WSH). bug, (I have a restored 66 VW Bug) = hambug :-)

RE: No e-mail conduit included in 4.1

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2002 12:05:18 PM #

One problem with no e-mail conduit: If you use Oulook 2000 or 2002 which has the security update, the older (3.X) version of the Mail conduit triggers the security feature. Palm Desktop 4.0.1 mail conduit works fine though. Why didn't they keep the Palm Mail conduit in 4.1?

RE: No e-mail conduit included in 4.1

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/2002 11:52:21 AM #

Please, where can one download the missing email conduit?

RE: No e-mail conduit included in 4.1

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/31/2002 1:20:01 PM #

Yeah where is the email conduit found on the Palm site? I found an older email conduit update but nothing that I can use for 4.1

RE: No e-mail conduit included in 4.1

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/6/2002 9:44:25 AM #

www.palm.com/support/downloads/emailupd_legal.html

YEah it's for the older version, but it works. I tried it and when I looked at my hotsync conduit manager mail is showing up. Eventhough it took me 2 hours to find a solution, this and Mail+ made my day. Good Luck to yal'

Trouble With Older Machines?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 12:35:32 AM #

I just upgraded to 4.1. It seems OK. The themes are pretty but they sure seem to make the application feel slow.

I wonder if there is a problem with older machines that connect through the serial port. I have a Handspring Prism, Treo 270, and a Palm IIIc. The Prism and Treo worked flawlessly but the IIIc no longer syncs.

RE: Trouble With Older Machines?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 2:03:27 AM #

are you sure you have Serial sync enabled?

Should have one desktop for all brands...

wilco @ 8/1/2002 1:02:04 AM #

Nowadays, it's common to have more than one PDA in a family and many times it will be by different manufacturers. I myself have a NR70V and a m130. Couldn't get it to work on Windows XP...Sony Desktop wouldn't recognize m130; Palm Desktop wouldn't recognize NR70V (even with Clie USB driver installed). Palm support is not helpful either, tell me to install Palm Desktop only But what about my other device? Does PalmSource (not Palm) have dedicated tech support?

RE: Should have one desktop for all brands...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 2:28:52 AM #

It will be great if one Palm Desktop works for all. But PalmSource manages and licenses the Palm OS to 3rd parties only, and 3rd parties can customize their implementations.

If PalmSource is going to restrict what 3rd parties can and can't change so much, I think it maybe too restrictive and may hamper innovations.

Also 3rd parties may like to customize their implementations so to make a difference between theirs and others' products, that means it's a "designed incompatibility".

RE: Should have one desktop for all brands...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 6:38:43 AM #

Shouldn't they be able to make a core set of features in hotsync (so maybe only the main apps like address book, datebook program...etc) are supported? Just wondering.

RE: Should have one desktop for all brands...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 3:36:01 PM #

PalmSource does create a basic version of the Desktop app then gives it to all the licencees. It isn't released to the public. Palm and Handspring models work fine with this, though they tweak it a bit. That's why Visor users can use the Palm version of the Desktop with no problem.

Sony decided they wanted to add a truck load of features to the desktop. They also did something ****ed up with USB, so they have to heavily modify what PalmSource gives them before it will work with their handhelds. So it isn't Palm's or PalmSource's fault, its Sony's.

PalmSource could force Sony to use a generic version of the desktop, but you'd lose a lot of features, like desktop mounting of the handheld as a removable drive.

RE: Should have one desktop for all brands...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 4:09:49 PM #

SyncML could allow this.

RE: Should have one desktop for all brands...

atrizzah @ 8/1/2002 4:29:41 PM #

Well if they're gonna let 3rd parties modify the desktop, they should at least make it so the versions aren't mutually exclusive. I own a Treo 90 and my brother ownes a m505, but we can't sync to the same computer because we have to choose whether to install the Handspring or Palm version of Palm Desktop

Peace Out
Alan

Palm does it Again.. Sheesh!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 5:05:00 AM #

Anyone else tried this 4.1 Desktop with XP? Is HOTSYNC.exe using up 50% of processor all the time? What a piece of crap... ah well back to 4.01...

RE: Palm does it Again.. Sheesh!

jjsoh @ 8/1/2002 9:19:02 AM #

Nope. I've tested hotsync on XP Pro to verify your claims. And I've concluded that I could not. After 6 tries (1 laptop, 1 desktop; 3 tries each), it has only used 13% at it's peak WHILE hotsyncing. (avg. was around 7-9%.) Otherwise, while idle it uses 0-1%. Memory usage is 6MB.

Jim

RE: Palm does it Again.. Sheesh!

hambug @ 8/1/2002 11:23:50 AM #

My mem usage is basically the same as Jim's, around 6-7 % during hotsync, and virtually nill when idle

ham,(ham radio operator,N4WSH). bug, (I have a restored 66 VW Bug) = hambug :-)

RE: Palm does it Again.. Sheesh!

niolonra @ 8/28/2003 11:21:13 PM #

I have had a number of problems with this version of the desktop program. The hotsync doesn't seem to use up more processing power, but takes three to four times as long to hotsync. I don't sync the expense report or notepad or voicememo, and I set the backup bit to ignore a number of files I don't really need backed up each time and it improved slightly. I also had a problem that when I installed HandBase and Avantgo, the files it sends to the Palm to be hotsynced did not show up in the Quick Install program, but were actually installed.

Palm's answer to this, like everything, is to just delete and reinstall everything. Since I got my Tungsten from Franklin Covey, there is no Palm Install Disk to install the previous version, and I can't find a link to it on their website. The version for my M505 (what I had installed before) for some reason now does not seem compatible, I'm guessing because of the XP USB driver issue. Palms website is not particularly clear about how to fix this in my case. Any ideas?

RE: Palm does it Again.. Sheesh!

niolonra @ 8/30/2003 8:34:52 AM #

I'm answering my own question here:
1) I uninstalled the Palm desktop (after copying my files in another directory) and searched the registry for anything with Palm in it. After deleting probably 60 entries, I rebooted and did the same with HotSync
2) I searched the registry for Hotsync and did the same. Then I ran Norton Utilities and had it check for incorrect registry entries, stray dlls, that sort of thing.
3) Palm has a link buried to download the old desktop (4.0.1) at http://www.palmone.com/us/support/downloads/palmdt_4.html
4) Since reinstalling it, and a number of other programs, it's back to fast hotsyncs and no crashing at the end of the hotsync

Sync Speed

jamuka @ 8/1/2002 8:34:39 AM #

Seems like my handera syncs faster with this version than with the previous. Has anyone else noticed this?

Function Keys Gone

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 9:00:58 AM #

Well after having no problems with the install and syncing, I come to realize that the hot keys for switching between the embedded applications (calendar, datebook, etc.) No longer work. They used to be F2 and F3.

Any suggestions?

RE: Function Keys Gone

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 10:08:04 AM #

Use the mouse maybe?

RE: Function Keys Gone

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 1:33:25 PM #

hahaha.

RE: Function Keys Gone

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/2/2002 2:08:09 AM #

Go to Palm's website, browse to the readme file for the new desktop update and at the bottom select No for did this solve your problem and then submit feedback asking them to replace the hotkey feature.

If enough people do it they will correct the oversight.

Palm's MO as usual: too little, too late :-(

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 10:18:06 AM #

Is this a joke? This would have been a great desktop for palm users if it had come out TWO YEARS AGO. I'll stick with Intellisync and Outlook.

RE: Palm's MO as usual: too little, too late :-(

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 10:36:55 AM #

Well, it may be a joke but at least it works for MOST people properly. I've not had a chance to use it under XP yet to see how the CPU usage is.

Now, what IS a joke is the bungled 4.1 OS upgrade. You'd think Palm would concentrate its remaining energies to squash the bugs in the 4.1 upgrade before releasing another (potentially) buggy 4.1 release...at least Desktop 4.1 is easier to "fix" than OS update.

Sigh....

Ed, any news yet if there will be an XP-compatible OS updater?

RE: Palm's MO as usual: too little, too late :-(

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/3/2002 9:04:02 AM #

Let me get this straight Palm desktop which is free is "a joke" compared to your $500 Outlook. Ummm....
Go freak'n figure.

Hotsync 4.0.1 ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 11:02:02 AM #

Does the installation of Palm Desktop 4.1 upgrade the version of Hotsync to 4.1 as well?

RE: Hotsync 4.0.1 ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 11:30:39 AM #

Yes. The HotSync version is 4.1.0 though I couldn't tell you if there are any benefits.

Plugins

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 10:18:06 AM #

Does anyone know if any other plug-ins exist?

RE: Plugins

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 4:47:37 PM #

PDAConverter is freeware (for WinDOS), it will convert files and websites to Plucker formats. Available at http://home.arcor.de/derfetzer/palm/pdaconverter_e.html

love the duplicates remover!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 11:59:15 AM #

it should have been there from the beginning...

Dem new icons and themes shure is purty

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 12:54:59 PM #

It works fine on Windows XP Pro. Aside from the better looking icon and themes, I really don't see much of a difference.

Old Expense Report Users, Beware!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 4:35:25 PM #

If you are using the old Expense Report program to auto-populate your Excel expense report form, don't load Palm Desktop v4.1! It will delete the old Expense conduit, the EXPREPRT.EXE program, and all of the supporting Excel files in the Palm subdirectory. The new Expense program in Desktop v4.1 does not provide that functionality; it replaces it with a simple export to Excel capability.

A word to the wise...

RE: Old Expense Report Users, Beware!

Altema @ 8/1/2002 6:27:30 PM #

Yes, I also found out the hard way. Would have been nice if they had warned us...

Does this work on the older Palm IIIs?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 6:47:59 PM #

any brave soul try it yet on a III series?

RE: Does this work on the older Palm IIIs?

hambug @ 8/1/2002 7:33:55 PM #

I use a m515, and my wife a IIIc and it works fine with both.

ham,(ham radio operator,N4WSH). bug, (I have a restored 66 VW Bug) = hambug :-)

RE: Does this work on the older Palm IIIs?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/2/2002 1:09:01 AM #

it works with my PalmPilot professional !

Install to Memory Card?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/3/2002 1:07:50 PM #

You are supposed to be able to install to memory cards. Is that only with PDA's with built-in adaptors or does it support other adaptors, like the Memplug for Visor Deluxe?

RE: Install to Memory Card?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 9:37:13 PM #

That feature doesn't seem to work with my Prism and Matchbook Drive.

Palm Dexktop 4.01

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 5:18:49 PM #

"!!!Fantastic!!!" say the more then 20 people that I have put this program on their PCs as a scheduler.
very helpful to those whom have sustained a Brain Injury resulting in partial or substantial memory loss.
It has convinced 5 to buy a Palm and several more to consider purchasing one.
Older versions are just not as useful, or as easy to use.

Tiny Tech

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