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Palm Inc.'s new flagship model is the Tungsten T, their first device running the new Palm OS5 on an ARM-architecture processor. The Tungsten T has an intriguing compact design, a vibrant high-resolution screen, advanced multimedia capabilities and integrated Bluetooth wireless technology. Read on for the in depth review by PIC Handheld Hardware Guru, Dan Royea.
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RE: great review
Thanks Again and Kudos to the team at PIC for providing such an informative review.
Mr. T
RE: great review
RE: great review
I have long given up Palm and moved to Sony but this time I might just move back to Palm. Congrats, Palm!
RE: great review
A little perspective: (1) the screen is very bright and I personally set it at around 25% (2) the ARM processors provide exceptional MIPS/mW performance. I haven't had time to get long-terms battery life figures, but subjectively-speaking, the TT has been able to provide all-day heavy use on a single charge.
- D
RE: great review
RE: great review
- Dan
RE: great review
Sony beware
The reason I am waiting is that I don't quite like the form factor still but the features and functions of the new Tungsten is quite impressive. Based on the track-record I am willing to wait until the new T-series comes out since they are quite innovative and if the NX series is an indication, I sure am looking forward to the new model.
RE: great review
But I am quite curious about the memory space of the unit. How many RAM is available for loading applications on to it? I'm quite worry about it as I know that OS5 would utilize some of the RAM for running. I've a chance to see another review (detailed) of the new NX70 of Sony, it has 16 MB RAM but not all is available for user to use. And plugging in the Sony CF WLan card used up extra memeory for the drivers which the review claim to used up another 5MB of RAM. So let's do the maths and only a merely 10 MB maybe left. For users like me who use Chinese OS would require about 2 MB of RAM for the storage, which means maybe no more than 10 MB is usable......
I really worry about it, can anyone from PIC get more information about the memory situation of this unit?
RE: great review
Should be plenty for most of us. If not, stick in a memory card.
RE: great review
But were is the Java Virtual Machine?
Is it included with the software bundle?
I don't see any mention of it in the palm.com web site. Palmsource was supposed to partner with insignia.com to bundle it with PalmOS 5!
This is a big disappointment!
RE: Sony beware
1. Voice Record (long overdue on Palm)
2. Built in Bluetooth, how hard can it be, they can fit it onto a memory stick
3. Palm OS 5 (It's defintely faster than 4.1)
4. The ability to play MP3s out of the box
5. A formfactor that fits into my shirt pocket.
Is that asking too much, come on Sony and Palm, don't make think about Pocket PC!
RE: great review
Alex Johnson
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Proud Owner of a Handera 330
RE: great review
RE: great review
How can I afford one? For the money they are worth, I can't cough up that cough as a youngen.
RE: great review
Processor Speed
RE: Processor Speed
- Dan
RE: Movies
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4467
Movies are excellent on the Tungsten T, think of the possibilities for mobile sales presenations, entertainment, etc...
RE: Movies
RE: Movies
If it is widely available for £299 including VAT, then I'll take back everything I said about it being overpriced.
Zuber
RE: Movies
Wanna let us know which retailer it is? Please?
RE: Movies
It must be a mistake so i called them up and they confirmed that "although they don't have them in stock, or on the system, the quoted website price is the price that i'll pay".
We'll see i guess ;)
RE: Movies
RE: Carphone Warehouse
They have just got stock and I hope mine may still go out today for delivery tomorrow although I won't know for sure until tomorrow.
RE: Movies
RE: Movies
RE: Carphone warehouse
Just got an email confirming the Order will be dispatched when I got home. I thought the price might be a mistake and expected a phone call/email saying sorry but ...
Good to see they will be sending the goods. Hope you guys all visit the site and get the orders in before the site update. I just checked, and it is still showing at £299
Zuber
Zuber
RE: Movies
Price on the site is now £399. Made my day.
A assumed the retailer was clear from the title. Carphone Warehouse. Hope you figured it out.
So everyone that bought it at £299 is going to send me £10 as agreed yes :)
Zuber
Zuber
RE: Carphone Warehouse
Box a bit damaged, which is annoying as I tend to keep boxes. It's got six languages - hence my question posted below about JackSprat support. The default date when first starting was 5 August 2001!
(Now all I have to do, apart from installing all my apps, is sell my NR70V with load of accessories, like a Vaja case and 128mb memory sticks. Anyone interested before I start going to ebay? The accessories I'd mail anywhere but the NR70V only to the UK.)
Thinking of importing a 256mb Sandisk SD card for about £105. Anyone else in the UK want to join me in a bulk buy to save postage?
RE: Movies
Regarding getting an SD card from abroad. I'd be careful if I were you. You may end up paying Duty on it when it arrives and hence find it cheaper to buy local. Plus, there are garantee issues etc.
Hope I get mine today or I'm going to return it and cancel my otder (Not).
Zuber
RE: Movies
Thanks, Andrea
Dust problem with Tungsten T from CarphoneWarehouse.com
I was one of the "fortunate" people who got the TT for 299.99 from the CarphoneWarehouse online shop. After a close inspection of the screen to see whether there were any dust problems (see other threads), I unfortunately found to small pieces of dust. I phoned CarphoneWarehouse and guess what they said?
Quite a number of people have already phoned them to report the dust problem. Seems that CarphoneWarehouse got a bad batch of TTs. So everyone who bought the TT there, check the screen carefully. BTW, CarphoneWarehouse is going to replace the TT next day in an exchange with the old one. So good on them, but Palm Inc really needs to get their act sorted out.
RE: Movies
Anyway CPW are exchanging it today.
That's it
How is the rest of you doing with their TT?
Dust problem with Tungsten T from CarphoneWarehouse.com
That's it
I went through four m505s before I was happy with the screen brightness, dead pixels and dust, and three Clie NR70Vs over the MS problem and dead pixels - with the NR70V I eventually decided to settle with the one with only one defective pixel in an obscure area because it's such a workup to convince Sony to issue an RMA.
My tack is to keep sending em back till you're happy; it's not as if it's costing you anything, and CPW shouldn't have an issue with you, they should be giving Palm hell for sending them duff stuff.
RE: Movies
RE: Movies
And what size are they? Can you play music videos? full movies?
-Andrew
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by the way, Can someone buy me a TT?
What about the Universal Connector?
RE: What about the Universal Connector?
RE: What about the Universal Connector?
RE: What about the Universal Connector?
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
PPK works witrh updated driver !!
Palm has heard us: they are now offering the 1.9 beta driver for the Stowaway keyboard on their support website:
http://www.palm.com/support/beta/tungstent_keyboard_legal.html
I installed it in my Palm Tungsten T, and it works even with my German keyboard.
AppCheck OS 4+ only
RE: AppCheck OS 4+ only
- D
RE: AppCheck OS 4+ only
RE: AppCheck OS 5+ only
Yep, I think you are right. I believe I mistakenly interpreted "Palm AppCheck for the Palm Tungsten T" as meaning that it checks to see if your apps will work on the Tungsten T. Apparently they mean AppCheck is ONLY "for the Palm Tungsten T". Still, it's odd that it pops up a dialog saying that it requires OS 4.
RE: AppCheck OS 4+ only
"The current version App Check is compatible with Palm OS(R) 4.0 or higher only. A version of Palm App compatible with the earlier Palm OS versions might
release soon. However, I am unable to provide you the exact time limit for release of this application."
So ... I have no idea why it wouldn't work in a m515.
RE: AppCheck OS 4+ only
App check for the Tungsten is, as it says, for the Tungsten.
The 'user manual' says run it and it tells you which application must be removed from your device.
I guess it's a Palm OS 5 small debugging environment with traps for non OS5 compatible calls.
Buy a Tungsten, we'll tell you which applications you should not have bought!
RE: AppCheck OS 4+ only
I'd suggest this application is just checking the names of applications against a database of known compatibles and incompatibles.
Microphone
EXCELLENT review Dan!
RE: Microphone
If you look at the side view image, you'll see the Voice Recording button and the headphone jack. Now, you see that little hole right between them? That's the port for the mic.
- Dan
RE: Microphone
- Dan
RE: Microphone
Why can't I get more than 8MB on my IIIc?
RE: Microphone
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Microphone
This unit is incredible.
One thing i didnt see mentioned is that the unit syncs so quick.
Clarification on keyboard comment
Does this mean that out of the box it supports the 'PPK' stowaway keyboard as well as the 'UltraThin Keyboard'? This is a big issue to a lot of people and any clarification would be appreciated.
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
My guess is that Palm sent him a pre-production device to review. Which is ok, but it just doesn't exactly match what is shipping and for sale. :)
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, TUNGSTEN T!!
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
re: the hard buttons cycling through categories: in testing the TT I did a lot of hard resets and then restores of different device backups hunting for bugs, "gotchas" etc. What happened was I'd restored some old ToDos etc. and the Categories didn't get restored, so everything was "unfiled", so of course there were no Categories to cycle through, and the device behaved as it should. My bad :)
re: the Keyboard driver (v1.9T) : my bad again: it isn't in ROM but is optionally installed during the automated setup process from CD. I've got some Stowaways here, but none with the Universal Connector (i.e. PPK) so I couldn't test it. Others have reported it does't work. Do you know the release schedule for the updated driver?
Thanks,
Dan
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1A632A42
which I find kind of worrysome. I hope they dont make us upgrade our keyboards once again (already did from Vx to m505). It's a UNIVERSAL connector for crying out loud.
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
Did you do the "Installation" from CD1? I think the keyboard.prc is buried within the executable installer - I don't see it as a separate file anywhere either, but v1.9T was installed on the review TT during this process. I don't have the PPK with a Universal Connector, so couldn't verify that it doesn't work.
- D
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
Dunno, maybe they pulled out the driver at the last minute? I'm using the European version, dunno if there is a difference there. If you can post the file somewhere I'll give it a try to see if it works. I really hope this is not a marketing plot to get us to buy new hardware, we already bought the new TT !
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
Please buy Palm stuff, I want my stock to go back up so I can sell it!
keyboard driver mystery
Are there any TT owners in PIC-land who have a version of the Keyboard driver (mine says 1.9T)
I hope you guys understand, but I'm not comfortable providing it for public distribution until I check with Palm and get authorization.
- Dan
Keyboards while using other I/O
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
hurshtx - I dont think so. I think you can have only one serial port open at one time. The universal connector is one, so is IrDA and so is BT.
RE: Clarification on keyboard comment
<http://www.palm.com/support/tungstent/>
- D
RE: TT and BT
I only know of that one SonyEricsson model that's available (from TMobile), but does anyone know of other cell phones with BT support from other providers here in the States?
Jim
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
Verizon is about the only carrier that I can get a solid signal at my house with. But I'd be willing to switch to someone else if the price was right. Sprint has the right data plan. Verizon has the best coverage. T-Mobile has some cool phones, a couple with Bluetooth. Though I don't get why they only put BT in the super-fancy color phones. I'd like to see a cheap, bare-bones B&W flip-phone with BT seeing as I'd want to pair it up with a nice handheld ala the Tungsten T.
Scott
Tungsten is boring
At this point any Palm without built in cellular is behind two years. What is the purpose of being disconnected if you care enough to keep all the information handy?
And what is the purpose of a Palm next to the PC? Really the Palm is most useful when on the road, and people who care about "having the information" care about "being in touch, with emails, attachments, news, etc."
Tungsten is toasted.
Let's see the W. That's coming soon, like in 4 months!
By then Treo 400 and others will be out.
RE: TT and BT
As for connectivity: Bluetooth between my TT and my T68i allows me to stay connected just fine. YMMV.
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
Ericsson still do the T39 I believe. It's a 'flip' phone with BT 1.1 and quite a nice greyscale display; WAP and GPRS. It is also TriBand so should be available in USA. You can get them cheap (ie. free) in the UK with a new contract (if you can still find them); or about £150 (~$230) SIM free (and unlocked, obviously).
My girlfriend has one, and it's quite funky (though not as cool as my T68!).
As for converged devices (like Treo and T|W): most people do not want to carry a PDA with them *all* the time, but do need a mobile. Plus, I suspect a T|T T68i combo can perform many more functions than an OS4.1 T|W or whatever the Treo 400 will do.
RE: TT and BT
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I hope we see Sprint PCS with built-in bluetooth very soon otherwise I may have to consider changing to AT&T or others.
Taka
RE: TT and BT
Great review for a great unit
RE: Great review for a great unit
It's very tough to make a judgement call about the long-term reliability of the slider - I've only had a few days "hands-on" so far, but my subjective experience is that it certainly "feels" solid. Frankly, the whole unit is highest quality throughout!
Any review worth it's salt will point out the bad as well as the good, and frankly it was tough to find any serious "Cons" - they're mostly nit-picks.
- D
OS upgradable?
Is there any indication from Palm that they'll provide
an upgrade when newer versions of the OS will become
available? (AFAIK, the Palm Simulator is already at
5.1 level). The use of flash ROM would seem to
indicate that they are planning upgrades...
RE: OS upgradable?
: provide an upgrade when newer versions of the OS
: will become available? (AFAIK, the Palm Simulator
: is already at 5.1 level). The use of flash ROM
: would seem t indicate that they are planning
: upgrades...
Well, if you look at their history of support, then I'd say that the chances for UPDATES are pretty good, since you mentioned the 5.1 version, that's what I'm assuming you're referring to.
As far as UPGRADES are concerned, I'm not so certain (i.e. OS 6.0). And even if they do, it will probably be at a price, and not free like UPDATES.
Of course, having a flashable ROM doesn't mean that updates/upgrades are expected. I believe all Sony CLIE's ROMs are flashable but they rarely, if ever, provide either updates or upgrades for the OS.
Jim
RE: OS upgradable?
Is there any indication from Palm that they'll provide
an upgrade when newer versions of the OS will become
available?
Yep, the TT is running OS5.0.
I had a 30 minute call with the Tungsten T product manager late last week and asked about flash upgrades. The TT is defintely flash-upgradeable. Supposedly there will be incremental OS updates (5.1 etc.) released over time but there's no schedule or information that is publicly-available.
PalmSource Inc. hasn't released much information regarding what is being referred to as "OS the next big thing" (seriously!) and that the on-line User Community is calling OS6. What we do know is that it is for ARM-architecture devices. I'm betting that the TT will be flash-upgradeable to "OS-NBT" but that's just a gut feeling - I've got no solid info to back that up.
- Dan
Closer look at the Browser options.
Any chance of taking a closer look at the Browser options, and how it compars with the Netfront browser that is shipping with the NX.
Zuber
RE: Closer look at the Browser options.
I'm really looking forward to following up on this some more, and will definitely be covering the browsers when I do the Bluetooth article.
I found a reasonably good deal on an Ericsson T86 on eBay and can't wait to start exploring...
- Dan
RE: Closer look at the Browser options.
Also, AT&T is selling the Sony/Ericson T68i but after 2 hours on the phone and 1 in the store I couldn't get an answer re: using the phones as a modem for the TT. Also, does anybody have experiance with the GSM/GPRS service, is it more restictive.
RE: Closer look at the Browser options.
Also, if your favourite GSM provider doesn't offer the phone you want just buy an unlocked phone from the web or ebay, if it works on North American GSM and it's unlocked it should work with any GSM provider.
SR
RE: Closer look at the Browser options.
Christian Stocker
RE: Closer look at the Browser options.
My problem is that I really like the look of the Netfront browser. It has a Zoom Out option thar displays 640 wide. That could be very useful. Only problem is taht Palm have decided not to include it. I hope it is possible to download and install it from PalmSource or something.
Zuber
Lit graffiti area?
Anyhow, it sure appears from the side-by-side screen photo in the review that the graffiti area is, once again, not lit.
Personally, I don't think this is such a big deal. However, I might feel that way because my m515's graffiti area actually does get lit by reflection of its wondrously bright screen.
I wonder if the TT benefits from the same coincidental lighting effect?
Like others have said... Great review... thx.
RE: Lit graffiti area?
owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, TUNGSTEN T!!
RE: Lit graffiti area?
RE: Lit graffiti area?
Besides that pet peeve I guess another would be the inability to exit an app with the home button hidden when the machine is reduced in size or closed.
D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer
RE: Lit graffiti area?
PIC scarred?
"Unofficial test results from an unnamed video application developer: 3.5 hours battery life when streaming 12 fps video from an SD card with the display set at 50%. "
from unamed video application developer? whatever happen to independent review and numerical conformation from PIC on Palm's claim? Did Palm makes PIC sign a letter not to test actual battery endurance, and benchmarking 4.1 application speed under 5.0?
well, nice picture of that clear cover tho'
Don't feed the trolls...
Normally I wouldn't respond to this kind of baiting, but this is actually a good question (just phrased with an apparently cynical, provocative and probably PPC-biased slant
Battery life testing is actually a very complex subject, and with the exception of Peter Strobel's articles at http://www.pstec.de , just about everything you read on the Net regarding PDA battery life is BS.
Asking "How long will my battery last?" is like asking "How many days will a tank of gas last in my car?". It depends on the car, how you drive it and how often.
For a PDA, an equivalent way of asking the quetion might be: how bright is the screen setting; how much time do the apps you use have the processor in standby mode vs. active processing; what is the current draw of the processor in these different modes; is IR beam receive on; is Bt on; how much audio / vibrate alarm / LED blink use; etc. etc. etc.
The best way to objectively test battery life is to hook up a precision current meter inline with the battery connection and measure the actual current draw over all of the various conditions.
Then to get any kind of meaningful real-world numbers, you have to develop "usage profiles" where a defined combination of parameters is outlined. The two that are presented in the review do that. However, they are results from outside sources and I don't have any way of confirming those results.
I'm tired of seeing all this poor battery life information being passed of as truth, and I've talked with Ryan about setting up some valid testing regimens to be able to present useful and comparable results for different devices under different usage conditions. It's a heck of a lot of work though, so I'm not going to promise anything just yet...
- Dan
RE: PIC scarred?
RE: PIC scarred?
set up a poll maybe. (what do you use your Palm most often for)
than the percentage is pretty much representational what the PIC readers care about. (ie. your reader, to whom the review matter most)
so for eg. if the result of the poll is:
A. what do you use your Palm most often for.
50% PIM
20% app
10% game
5% BT checking email
15% other
B. how long do you use your palm at a stretch usually
80% 1hr
10% 3hr
10% continuously till it die dammit.
then just set up a test that mimic those data.
have a monkey prod around a PALM for 1 hrs straight with 50% pim, 20% apps, 10% games,... repeat the cycle till the battery dies
...or something like that.
battery testing
Have you tested other PDAs with the same regimen?
If so, care to share some results? :)
Thanks,
Dan
temperature sensitivity and li-ion battery life
RE: PIC scarred?
RE: PIC scarred?
Basically, I think we're going to have to go by trial and error, and see what user comments are in forums. A device with a particularly poor or particularly good battery life will soon get the slating/praise it deserves. Other than that, so long as a battery survives a *reasonable* time, and the PDA has all the functions you require; then that should be the PDA for you -- a Honda Insight may have twice the fuel economy of my car; but I need a car with 4 seats!
FBN
RE: PIC scarred?
I've talked about this with Ryan, and hope to get it set up sometime in the not-too-distant future.
I fully agree that this would be a very valuable information resource for the Palm User Community.
I'll keep y'all posted....
- Dan
battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
7 * 0,5h = 3,5h
So... Tungsten T's battery life is only 3,5 hours ?!?!
My palm m515 lasts 10 hours with backlight off.
Dan: what's your experience? How long does the battery last?
RE: battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
IPAQ3900
1400Mah, 4.5hrs, ~311 Mah/hr (mmedia loop, see link)
Tungsten
900Mah, 3.5hrs, ~257 (official Palm Inc's definition of use)
900Mah, 3.3hrs, ~272 (infosync.no, game loop)
It seems to me the wild claim about OS5.0 on OMAP will be twice or three times as efficient are bunk. With much smaller screen to lit, and no sound test, Tungsten still perform only about 10% more efficient than iPAQ.
anybody has NX battery number?
referance:
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/iPAQ/3900/3900-1.htm
http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/2495,2.html
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4490
RE: battery life
7 * 0,5h = 3,5h
Don't forget to add in the 23.5 hours x 7 days x standby current when the device is "off" (a.k.a. "sleeping" still refreshing memory etc.)
ksomos: So... Tungsten T's battery life is only 3,5 hours ?!?! My palm m515 lasts 10 hours with backlight off.
Is that using RunTime? That doesn't work on the TT, but hopefully someone will write a similar app using the new Notification Manager for OS5.
ksomos: "Dan: what's your experience? How long does the battery last?
I haven't had it long enough to offer a bottom-line answer; and haven't done any lab testing (yet). I've also been putting in the cradle a lot (HotSyncing like crazy the last few days!) so it's been getting very regular top-up recharges most days.
For some anecdotal info: I read an ebook off SD for 4 hours straight the other night with the frontlight on a fairly low setting, and the battery gauge in the Launcher was still over half. (Of course, the battery gauge should not be considered an even remotely accurate tool, and the voltage discharge profile of LiIon Poly battery pack should be considered, and yadda yadda yadda...)
I'll be sure to report back with some more info once I've had some longer-term results, but for now, I can safely say that the TT can easily accommodate a full day of heavy use. Also note that the screen is *very* bright and I've been using it at around 25% on the brightness slider.
- Dan
RE: battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
*sigh* "A little information is a dangerous thing."
Why do you waste your time comparing apples and oranges? If you're really interested in comparing the efficiency of the different ARM processors running the PPC OS and PalmOS do a search for the *real* results that have been posted by engineers from Motorola (DragonBall MX1) and Intel (XScale) and report back here with some links.
Please also be sure to include information about Pocket PC 2002's power optimizations for the 400MHz XScale!
And while you're busy producing meaningless numbers, here's a bonus question for extra marks: compute the "power efficiency" per device weight as well. (FWIW: I replaced my former PPC reference device, an iPAQ 3870 with a Toshiba e570.)
- Dan
RE: battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
but seriously it still won't push Tungsten in the top 5 battery performance on that chart. (if it were being tested in same condition)
chart and testing condition toward the middle of article.
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/iPAQ/3900/3900-1.htm
RE: battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
my number might be nonsensical but I state it carefully what the number is about and what is the state of the accuracy.
RE: battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
RE: battery life only 3,5 h ?!?
Another Gimmick from Palm?
The sliding case is nice but other than make the device smaller it serves no purpose. At least the Sharp case slides to conceal a keyboard. The device is small enough with the case extended.
The five position center button is o.k. but it doesn't rotate and looks like an attempt to mimic the Pocket PC devices.
Palm missed the boat when they abandoned the Palm III and Palm V footprint. Add a faster processor, expansion slot, memory and hi-res screens to these devices and you've got marketable competition to the CLIE. Instead they produced a "cute" little M series that sent everyone screaming to Sony or Handspring or Pocket PC.
Now they've introduced another trendy device with a cute little sliding case. All it needs now is interchangeable faceplates.
Want to spend $500 on a PDA? Buy a CLIE or Pocket PC. You get all the bang the Tungsten offers and you don't have to pay extra for the MP3 player.
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
- Palm SHOULD have included an MP3 program but it appears from this PIC review that they tried but had to release to market in time for the fall buying season without it because of development delays, but will offer it for free online in a matter of weeks. Certainly someone savy enough to play MP3's on a Palm will know how to download a free program for it.
The sliding case is nice but other than make the device smaller it serves no purpose. At least the Sharp case slides to conceal a keyboard. The device is small enough with the case extended.
- This is the silliest thing I ever heard. Making the device smaller IS A PURPOSE and a VERY IMPORTANT ONE TO MANY PEOPLE! The sliding case DOES conceal something, a graffiti area which the Sharp doesn't have... so take your choice, keyboard or grafitii but they both only cover one thing. Also your statement "this device is small enough with the case extended" may well be true for you but MILLIONS of Palm V and m5xx series users got them for the size and have long wished for even MORE pocketable models.
The five position center button is o.k. but it doesn't rotate and looks like an attempt to mimic the Pocket PC devices.
- Doesn't rotate? I don't follow. Further when I pay big bucks for something I want the best and if PocketPC had a good idea with navigation buttons like this then why should Palm avoid them?
Palm missed the boat when they abandoned the Palm III and Palm V footprint. Add a faster processor, expansion slot, memory and hi-res screens to these devices and you've got marketable competition to the CLIE. Instead they produced a "cute" little M series that sent everyone screaming to Sony or Handspring or Pocket PC.
- I was addicted to the Palm V footprint, but this is way better in terms of footprint in my opinion. Have you even held one?
Now they've introduced another trendy device with a cute little sliding case. All it needs now is interchangeable faceplates.
- Wow. Try looking at it in person see if you feel the same way.
Want to spend $500 on a PDA? Buy a CLIE or Pocket PC. You get all the bang the Tungsten offers and you don't have to pay extra for the MP3 player.
- MP3 player will be free. PocketPC OS stinks IMHO. Clie is beautiful but way to large for many people, and the keyboard isn't nearly as nice as on a blackberry or Handspring Treo. I have no use for the camera. The battery life on the Clie is much worse than the T.
Every unit has someone who likes it and clearly Clie's, PocketPCs, Sharps, etc. all have there pluses. That said it is a gross mistake to generalize that the rest of the Palm buying world shares your needs and desires and then flame into a new unit like you just did.
owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, TUNGSTEN T!!
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
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Oh wow! Guys check this out! The new Clie has more than 1000 dpi!! Guys? Hey come back here! *runs after them holding a spec sheet* I didnt even show you the Keyboard!!!!!
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
Last I checked the Clie was coming in at around 3.5 hours as well.
University of Miami
2001 National Champions
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
Get some perspective before you start chastising people about their perception...
RE: Another Gimmick from Palm?
Gimmicky is in the eye of the beholder.
Ok...Maybe Gimmicky is a tad strong
Yes, it is small. But how small do you have to get? By using the measure of "the smaller the better", there's a PDA watch out there that would be the best thing since sliced bread. Sometimes when you get too small you loose functionality. Just as if you get too big, you loose practicality.
I like the NR70 that I use. It's the right size for me. I liked the Palm IIIxe I had before moving to Sony. I didn't like the m series or the treo's. Too small.
The screen is impressive but I'll take the Hi-res screen of the NR any day. Just need more Hi-res programs to be released. Has anyone seen the Hi-res version of Bejeweled? Very nice.
Ok. Gimmicky is probably in the eye of the beholder and I see the Tungsten as gimmicky. Some see the flip screen of the NR and NX CLies as gimmicky. But at least it serves a function.
I still hold true with my belief that if Palm had have built on the Palm III or Palm V footprint, they would have been better off.
If the Tungsten is what turns your tractor, then go for it. I'll keep my NR70 for now.
Questions for Dan...
1. What the heck is faster, the OMAP processor in the Tungsten T or the XScale in the Sony NX series? At first when I heard my T only had a 144 mHz processor instead of the Oslo's 175 mHz I was very disappointed but comments you have made and comments on Brighthand.com indicate this may very well still be faster than the XScale at 200 mHz in the Clie. Certainly my experience with my T boosts my hopes as I feel it runs great so far, but we need hard numbers and comparisons!
2. The OMAP processor is a dual core processor as you stated with a DSP running at 200 mHz. Do programs need to be written specifically for the OMAP to take advantage of this or does the DSP automatically take its share of the load from the standard OS5 programs and ARM-lets? While the DSP might be a strong advantage for the processor vs. the XScale I imagine it would only be so if you didn't need developers to write specifically for it, something that has yet to be answered.
3. Why did Palm lower the primary clock speed of the OMAP ARM processor to 144 mHz from the Oslo prototype's running at 175 mHz?
Thanks so much Dan, by far your review has been the most detailed of them all and very fair and even handed. Palm has a winner here, although it would have been better at a list of $399-449.
owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, TUNGSTEN T!!
RE: Questions for Dan...
for battery on the final test, than giving a comment "OK for multimedia".
-what sort of multimedia has been tested on it? How do you create a multimedia "loop" for 3 hrs continuously? (there is no mp3 player, and kinoma is not stable enough to play for 3 hrs continuously)
-what does the number mean? no other handheld receive grading on battery criteria except "Zire" and zire receive 5/5
-How would you rate the rest of handheld you have reviewed to give context what the battery rating really means. (eg. Clie760, t655,NR, M515)
I really hope the rating is some serious evaluation, not just Mickey Mouse sticker. thanks.
RE: Questions for Dan...
Those are all *excellent* questions, and we're searching for the answers myself. Once Ryan and/or I get some answers we'll be posting to PIC -- count on it :)
I do have an NX70V for review and hope to post it before too long. It'll likely be a two-parter, because I don't have the PEGA-WL100 WiFi card yet.
If you're interested in checking out the various OS5-compatible ARM processors, here are a few links:
Palm OS Ready Program: <http://www.palmsource.com/about/os_ready.html>
OMAP1510: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29952A42
XScale PXA250: http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2A914A42
MX1 Home: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G47913A42
- Dan
RE: Questions for Dan...
I would think that its pretty likely that Palm would expose this functionality to a partner like Real who is working on a media player for the device. Using the DSP to do audio decoding would be a very smart move, especially for power-related reasons, as the DSP can be much more efficient than the general purpose ARM code for this task.
--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Questions for Dan...
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Analyst_Day
One of the most interesting demonstrations of the day came from Texas Instruments, makers of the OMAP processor used in the Tungsten T. Gilles Delfassy, Senior Vice President and General Manager of Texas Instrument's Wireless Terminals Business Unit, ran some fairly intense graphics tests against both TI's processor at 144 MHz and processors from "another big chip maker" running at 206 MHz and 400 MHz. Let me tell you, the OMAP processor cleaned Intel's clock, finishing the test in less than one-third the time. Mr. Delfassy claimed that not does TI's processor operate more efficiently (it uses as little as one-sixth the megahertz to produce the same numbers of MIPS) but it consumes significantly less power -- more than 90% less power than a 400 MHz Xscale processor in standby mode.
RE: Questions for Dan...
One OS, various processors and various co-processors...
Mac Users do you rememeber the days when we had 68k, ppc and fat codes for all the applications...
Palm is heading this way as well... except that on the mac you did not care that much, we had enough space for fat code on the recent machines.
But on our HandHelds?
PS: sure I'll trust TI when they say their processor with their application consumes less power than some other's chip; anyday man, anyday.
RE: Questions for Dan...
To match the performance of the 144Mhz OMAP for this particular test only, you would need an XScale running at 1.06Ghz.
Don't go crazy with these numbers, as they only represent specific functions, not overall performance. There are probably some functions which may be faster on the XScale which would close the performance slightly, but, graphics is one area that can surely use the horsepower.
RE: Questions for Dan...
B
benchmarking
Re: benchmarking
SD card exposed?
I see a slight protrusion on one of the photos, and wondered if this was just the blank, and if the real cards will do the same?
RE: SD card exposed?
I see a slight protrusion on one of the photos, and wondered if this was just the blank, and if the real cards will do the same?
Good question :)
The area around the SD card is recessed from the top plane of the device, and the amount you have to push the card in to get it to eject (push-and-release) is a couple of millimeters below this plane. I believe that accidental ejects from bumping the top of the unit should be rare. It's certainly not as "tucked in" as the m515 is though.
- D
NR70V
- D
RE: SD card exposed?
(I'm probably the only one here who could actually do that.
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: SD card exposed?
RE: SD card exposed?
Good review
RE: Good review
RAM
RE: Good review
RE: Good review
Because the ipod has a 20 gigabyte hard drive, monochrome screen, and mp3 decoding software, and thats about it.
The Tungsten has blutooth, hi resolution color screen, the OMAP processor, and that 16 mb memory.
Apples and Oranges. Sure you could probably put in a 20 gigabyte hard drive into the Palm TT, but then it would be the SIZE of the ipod.
Anyone want a Treo 90?
Peace Out
Alan
RE: Anyone want a Treo 90?
RE: Anyone want a Treo 90?
Long Live Visor Prism
Screen Size
RE: Screen Size
Measured with calipers (actual display area width - not just inner screen frame):
TT: 53.4mm
N760C: 53.4mm
So you can say that it's "standard" size.
- D
What About 3G integrated units?
Why by the Tungsten, which I admint is an attractive PDA, when you will be able to get very portable palm integrated units from Kyocera and Samsung..if not others?
RE: What About 3G integrated units?
Different people have different preferences. The Treos, Kyocera 7135, and Samsung i330 and i500 are all very impressive convergent devices, and will meet the needs of some people perfectly.
Other people are going to prefer a seperate PDA and phone combination. The Bt-enabled TT and a Bt-equipped cell phone could be a very powerful combination, and I'm looking forward to testing this out.
[for those that have used either the Palm Bt SDIO or the Sony Bt MS: one thing that is *very* interesting on the TT: in addition to having a "Discoverable" setting in Bluetooth Preferences, it also has a new "Allow Wakeup" setting...!]
- Dan
RE: What About 3G integrated units?
RE: What About 3G integrated units?
Then that (potential!) app to use the mike and speaker at a BT headset would be awful handy.
GSM phones and connectivity
Unfortunately it's quite tough to get the sales-droids to provide good info on bleeding-edge technologies ;)
The T68i is has infrared and bluetooth for connectivity to the TT, has a built-in modem that will work via both regular GSM and highspeed GPRS. You have to get data service enabled on your contract with your carrier. Check costs!
I've used an Nokia 8290 with various Palm devices a lot: this is using infrared connection; the phones built-in modem; regular GSM service with data enabled from my carrier -- it essentially dials up to my ISP and I get a slow (9600 baud) Net connection. Using this method, the data connection is handled like a voice call using up the time under my monthly allotment.
I'll be providing details on my testing with the T68 using Bluetooth & GPRS packet data.
- Dan
PS In terms of coverage area it really depends on where you are - check your local cellular providers' coverage maps.
RE: GSM phones and connectivity
FBN
GSM / GPRS
I have just switched from accessing the internet using Blazer on my CLIE' from a GSM to a GPRS connection. Its significantly faster. My two cents - if you can get a GPRS mobile go for it!
aluminum hard case?
You mentioned Palm is releasing 3 different cases for the TT including an aluminum hard case? Is it available yet and where?
RE: aluminum hard case?
I'm not sure if any of the cases are available yet. I know I don't have any of them ;)
The "Palm Store" Tungsten Cases page is at: http://makeashorterlink.com/?L54721A42 and they show the "Scuba Sleeve" and "Slim Leather" cases. The Aluminum case is shown on an insert in the TT packaging but they're not showing it on-line at the moment.
- Dan
RE: aluminum hard case?
RE: aluminum hard case?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1B425B42
...at 30.72 pounds sterling, though the illustration looks suspiciously rendered.
"Built with a cushioned lining, this case features slots to store your expansion cards, plus a spring-loaded cover and attachment clip to hold your device securely in place.
"
RE: aluminum hard case?
RE: aluminum hard case?
http://www.foxpop.ndirect.co.uk/Palm/scuba_01.htm
Scott Gerber
To buy or not to buy...
First post, wee! I'm split between upgrading to a new Mp3 capable mobile phone or upgrade to a Mp3 capable OS5 device. I wanted to ask a few questions before I buy:
1. Why the reduced CPU speed? This worries, me... how soon will faster OS5 devices be released? I want to code for OS5 too, but I don't wish to be limited by having rushed into something (coding an emulator, for example, for a more advanced system).
2. Would it be possible to put a DVD down to 24fps, 320x120, 11khz mono sound on a 256mb SD card and play it back at 100% speed?
/Robert
Ps. Sony NX, though very cool, is out of the question for me; it's simply too big.
RE: To buy or not to buy...
well, i think the only issues are the "joypad",size and bluetooth. If you think you will not use BT much, then the only factor would be the "joypad". If a lot of games or apps take advantage of this, the nx70 might suffer. But knowing that some third party developers will create some way to map the keyboard on the clie to "emulate" that function, this is also a non issue. So i think size will be the deciding factor. For me, im a student and always wear cargo pants so i dont mind the large size of the clie. I think that the virtual grafitti of the clie might be useful because third party developers will make "true" handwriting software, and it would be nice to see
what you are writing then. If OS6 implements a large screen, this device will be compatible with it, that is if sony bothers with an upgrade. Surfing the net and ebooks might be easier on the NX70 too. For my kind of usage, i think the clie might be better. But for my uncle who uses his pocketpc for basic functions and its ability to record sound, i think the m550 would be a better deal for him. The clie is more of an overloaded entertainment machine which can make life more convienient as well, and that appeals to students like me:) Memory stick has always been one of my pet peeves, but in singapore the prices are really low, and SD is very expensive. Dan, could you tell me what you think on the "joypad" issue? Do you think that the NX70 not having it would be a limitation or do you think its possible to remap the keyboard, so that you could use it like the wasd keys in a first person game?
Thank you.
"May the potato be with you!"
RE: To buy or not to buy...
RE: To buy or not to buy...
"May the potato be with you!"
ROM Hacking
Why can't Palm just make one version and let us US people enjoy the extra ROM space? :)
Just a thought. I won't be getting a TT, but I'm anxiously awaiting the TW unless Palm makes a snap on keyboard like Sony has for their Clie's and some wireless carrier offers Bt enabled phones with flat rate data plans, then I'll reconsider. :)
Tungsten Bluetooth and wireless bluetooth headset
http://www.sonyericsson.com/T68i/
Click on the link and click accessories to check out the headset.
RE: Tungsten Bluetooth and wireless bluetooth headset
I asked about that and there's currently no headset profile in the TT's Bt driver files :(
However, it's entirely possible that one will be written.
- D
RE: Tungsten Bluetooth and wireless bluetooth headset
http://www.palm.com/support/tungstent/compatibility.html
There you´ll find the HBH-15 & HBH-20 listed as compatible :)
RE: Tungsten Bluetooth and wireless bluetooth headset
So I think you would probably pair with your phone and that's it.
Re "pairing" usually takes a minute or so of changing to pairing mode, reentering access code etc.
So you can't just jump from headset to phone to headset to Palm and back at will.
At least that is how the 2 Bluetooth headsets I've used work (according to the manual) anyway. Note, I am waiting for the Tungsten to be delivered yet, so I havn't actually tried it.
Zuber
Bluetooth
RE: Bluetooth
Service: BT to T68
User Name:
Password:
Connection: BT to Ericsson T68 (From Phone Link)
Phone: *99***2#
That's it.
RE: Bluetooth
Zuber
RE: Bluetooth
RE: TT and BT
Man! I *totally* second this motion!! And make sure it's got a decent capacity battery :)
- Dan
RE: TT and BT
SR
RE: TT and BT
RE: TT and BT
Scott
RE: TT and BT
Both providers in Chicago (T-Mobile and AT&T) are pretty expensive when it comes to data. I have not seen anyone offering an unlimited plan like Sprint, and even then you wouldn't be able to use it with T-T (since Sprint only allows phones to be used with that plan).
Of the two GSM carriers in Chicago, T-Mobile seems to have better rates, better coverage, and better roaming, although this may be due to the fact that AT&T is very new to GSM. I have AT&T, and the service is decent.
It has the Screen Dust problem!
http://forums.pdabuzz.net/showthread.php?threadid=43139
I hope Palm did their QC right, I am not going to be tolerating any dust...
RE: It has the Screen Dust problem!
Please buy Palm stuff, I want my stock to go back up so I can sell it!
RE: It has the Screen Dust problem!
Where made?
Please buy Palm stuff, I want my stock to go back up so I can sell it!
RE: Where made?
Cases?
-adam
Info on built-in apps
Thanks
RE: Info on built-in apps
owned: Pilot 5000, PalmPilot Pro, Palm V, IIIc, m505, Sony T615, TUNGSTEN T!!
Aluminum hardcase
Screen Backlight?
RE: Screen Backlight?
I almost never used my Clie T615C with the backlight off, except under direct sunlight. On the other hand, I almost never used my Palm V or Vx with the backlight on, except in near complete darkness (since backlit contrast was so poor).
It's hard to compare the W-T display with the Palm Vx display. The W-T display has a higher contrast and shows sharper fonts. Under typical office ceiling lighting or other direct lightling and at just the optimal angle, the W-T display seems more readable than the Vx display; but at most angles it seem darker. Under indirect lighting the Vx display is clearly more readable.
RE: Screen Backlight?
With the light off, the screen is fairly readable, and similar to the screen on the Nintendo GameBoy Advance. In my flourescently lit office, I could actually use the device quite well without the sidelight, easily able to look up addresses or play a little Bejeweled, and I expect that mode to work really well outdoors. The screen has a slight gold hue to it without the sidelighting. Lighting off, I'd say the contrast is as good as my QCP-6035, but with a bit more glare.
--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Screen Backlight?
Internation version
Interested in the difference in ROM size - this is confirmed? 8M in the international verion?
Does this include the UK version?
Cheers,
Simon
RE: Internation version
- Dan
Docking Station, HotSync-Cable?
what about the docking station and/or the USB-cable? Is it possible to charge/sync the TT by attaching the cradle-cable directly into the device (Sony style)?
And has one to go through a three-day-trainig to insert and remove the TT from the cradle (m5xx style)? ;-)
Buzman
RE: Docking Station, HotSync-Cable?
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Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
Bluetooth beaming?
RE: Bluetooth beaming?
FBN
RE: Bluetooth beaming?
Yes right out of the box the Tungsten will communicate with other bluetooth devices, such as Palm's with the Bluetooth card and cell phones using Bluetooth. It will search for Bluetooth devices and allow you to check which person/object you wish to connect with.
A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.
Time between models?
Well, that sounds OK, but I'm still not convinced that if I buy a T, it will last me at least as long as my Vx did.
How long have Palm usually taken between releaes of new models? For example, between the III, IIIx or V and Vx?
Since the Zire is new, their next model shouldn't be a budget model, or?
/Robert
Can you use tiny font?
Does the TT support teeny-tiny text, or does it just use the high res screen to give nicer fonts?
Cheers
RE: Can you use tiny font?
Please buy Palm stuff, I want my stock to go back up so I can sell it!
RE: Can you use tiny font?
RE: Can you use tiny font?
Possible mp3 issues
1 - Will it be possible to play mp3s in the background while working in other apps, as with the clie?
2 - WIll it be possible to disable the screen and listen to mp3s? Obviously this will be a big problem if you can't.
3 - Will there be way in which to manipulate the vlume, track etc. as per a "wand" type device. I realize that there is only a jack, but would it be possible to control vloume with the hard keys?
I have a buyer for my NR70 (I was a plam user before this one) and would like to get back to a plam, and typically use my palm for work, but when travelling the mp3 is a great feature, but not having answers to these questions will leave me without a pda until they are answered.
That said, I still like the BT, voice recorder system and most importantly moving from a memory stick back to a mmc or sdc.
Al
Take it easy - Al from Canada
RE: Possible mp3 issues
-jeremy
Battery life again
I recently looked at replacing my old palm v and considered the toshiba 740 as it had a quoted battery life of 6 hours, and at 30 minutes usage a day that would imply it could last 12 days. However it actually drains flat and looses its memory after 3 days even if you do absolutely nothing with it, which to me is unacceptable.
In then end about 6 weeks ago I got a palm 500 as this gives what I would consider reasonable battery life. I am very concerned that new PDAs have worse not better battery life. My palm v could go a month without charge.
I'd guess my typical usage is 1-2 minutes 10-20 times a day. If I'm near a power supply (ie not travelling or sailing) I can use power hungry apps such as email/web access via bluetooth to t68i gprs phone. I really don't need mp3 and video.
Has anyone charged up their tungstan and left it with minimum usage to see how long it will last on standby?
RE: Battery life again
My guess is that the OMAP is clocked at only 144 MHz and there is only 16 MB of RAM in the T because with any more MHZ or RAM they wouldn't be able to meet the 7 day battery life metric without increasing the weight and thickness of the unit.
RE: Battery life again
Are you kidding?! You want someone to put their brand new Tungsten T in a drawer for 2 weeks?!
Wait until the newer PalmOS 6 handhelds come out. Then Someone might try this (I did with my Palm V when it was a year old, it lasted over 2 weeks no problem.)
Keyboard 1.9T
I want to sell my M515, but I still need it for typing with PPK. So I have to carries 2 PDA now (plus a brick as the otorola 270c because it's the only one CDMA Bluetooth).... talk about convergence... lol
Solo
RE: Keyboard 1.9T
RE: Keyboard 1.9T
I'm holding onto the keyboard in the hopes that Logitech will break its own mold and support the product.
I email their tech support, response was "It doesn't work with that handheld", and "I don't know if they will make it work with that handheld.".
I HAVE ONE!
However..... I need some MP3 software!
RE: I HAVE ONE!
Now, what to do with all those M500 accessories.......
RE: I HAVE ONE!
RE: I HAVE ONE!
The Sony doesn't come with a cradle, sure, but that's still a long way short of the $300 price difference! I'd like to get the TT but basically at the moment Palm have priced themselves out of my market.
RE: I HAVE ONE!
--
Simon
RE: I HAVE ONE!
RE: I HAVE ONE!
e740, m500, T615, m515
Just Got Mine - First Impressions
I am truly excited to use this device. It is small, handy, speedy and clever. The one-touch use makes so much sense. I keep thinking of new ways to do things without opening the graffiti area. One mistake Palm made is that you cant run the stylus from top to bottom of the screen only and pull up the keyboard. Which would be easier than opening the graffiti area. I can't wait for AvantGo to adapt the d-pad so I can read articles without a stylus at all (you still need to pick your topics using the stylus now).
The screen is great and the apps move really fast. I have no concerns about the new processor at all. Battery life was pretty good for me, running down only a little as I played around on my commute to and from work. All I'm hoping for now is that the new digital music player is open to other formats than MP3, like AAC. Given Real's track record, I am optimistic.
Palm has won me back from Sony with a smart, slick device.
RE: Just Got Mine - First Impressions
Thanks!
RE: Just Got Mine - First Impressions
Is one more thing that makes stuff easier to do quickly.
RE: Just Got Mine - First Impressions
RE: Just Got Mine - First Impressions
The lack of frequent (ESPECIALLY not supporting vfs) or even semi-consistent updates to support new technologies to the AG client has been the one thing keeping me from subscribing to their service. I don't need to sync 8 megs of info with them every day, but I would not mind a bit supporting them. However, if they disregard the forward progress being made by Sony and now Palm's handhelds, then I'll continue to vote by not spending my dollars.
RE: Just Got Mine - First Impressions
I had thought I would really want a case, but pocketability is very important to me. The included cover is just fine, for now.
Though the TT is a bit thicker than the m500, the shorter length definately makes up for that. It seems less likely to slip from my pocket if I stoop over. Of course, I keep a hand to my pocket if I need to stoop very far.
It was very expensive, but I have no buyer's remorse whatsoever. The TT is wonderful. I held off on the m515 for the TT, and I am so happy I did.
RE: Just Got Mine - First Impressions
Fitaly Stamp
thanks
C_Blue
RE: Fitaly Stamp
Slider and Stamps
RE: Slider and Stamps
Please buy Palm stuff, I want my stock to go back up so I can sell it!
plug as USB mass storage
That's really helpfull when you want to copy non palm files (ie not pdb or prc) on a removable media : I think of mp3s, mpeg movies or any file you want to take with you ...
Today to do this with a palm and an SD card you have to have some sort of external card reader or am I mistaken ?
Fred
RE: plug as USB mass storage
RE: plug as USB mass storage
I didn't know about card export and it does exactly the same as on the Clie
Fred
Webbrowser NetFront vs. Tungsten T Bundled Browser
Christian Stocker
RE: Webbrowser NetFront vs. Tungsten T Bundled Browser
Zuber
RE: Webbrowser NetFront vs. Tungsten T Bundled Browser
RE: Webbrowser NetFront vs. Tungsten T Bundled Browser
Wrap text to fit.
Zoom out to show 640 wide.
It would be great, if you could install Netfront as an option as well.
RE: Webbrowser NetFront vs. Tungsten T Bundled Browser
Also, the simulator version doesn't offer the zoom out or format to fit features. Are you using the real NX70V?
I am cautiously anxious....
Bought it on impulse and absolutely love it
As you can tell I love it and even though I bought it on impulse I follow these gadgets pretty well and felt strongly this was a winner before I bought it - by the way I got it a Staples for $469.98 and know I probably could have done better, but when you buy on impulse $20 - $40 savings at a later date takes the excitement from the moment.
A very happy and pleased Tungsten T owner
Regards, Tom S.
RE: Bought it on impulse and absolutely love it
Anyway, after reading (in Brighthand's TT review's thread) about a $50-off coupon from Staples I found it was accepted as an in-store coupon. Maybe you can get it now? The number is 79443. For me, $419 seemed more-reasonable, at least for a device they've had for under a week. YMMV.
I've been away from Palm for 2+ years, so it's re-orientations time. ^_^
-Mike
I sync, therefore I am.
RE: Bought it on impulse and absolutely love it
Thanks again
Regards, Tom S.
RE: Bought it on impulse and absolutely love it
Multitasking
RE: Multitasking
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Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Multitasking
Predictions re future add-on camera options for T-T?
Here's a question from a simple PIM PDA user (Handera 330) to those who understand this stuff and like to speculate: what are the likely options for an add-on digital camera accessory for the T-T, like the memory stick cameras I have seen in catalogs for clies, or similar cameras for palm 500 series (I think I've seen these, too.)?
I've looked in a store at the new clie with a built-in camera, and I would like to be able to have and use this cool feature with a color PDA I want to get in the upcoming year -- but the clies are way too big for me, i prefer shirt pocket size; the HE 330 is big for my taste.
Can one be confident that there will be coming out for sale a little camera lens doodad that will stick into the T-T somewhere (where?) that will make it like the clies -- to have in your purse and pull out and take photos for some special occasion -- without having to tote this big contraption around in one's pocket all of the time? If so, what are these camera doodads likely to cost?
To me, this camera feature(small videos, even?) would be much more of a useful cool feature than playing music. Would battery issues or image storage issues make this impractical? Maybe SONY is likely to come out with a smaller camera-friendly/inclusive model, with a voice recorder (I must have this feature.)? Also I don't want a keyboard. The T-T looks pretty good, I will look at one in a store soon.
Long question -- thanks in advance for any thoughts knowledgable speculators might have.
RE: Predictions re future add-on camera options for T-T?
- Dan
RE: Predictions re future add-on camera options for T-T?
RE: Predictions re future add-on camera options for T-T?
FBN
RE: Predictions re future add-on camera options for T-T?
I was at a Palm Meeting yesterday here in The Netherlands and the Palm Representative said that a SDIO Camera is expected to come out this year
Zane
No AvantGo on OS 5
Anyone know when they will have a compatible version?
RE: No AvantGo on OS 5
RE: No AvantGo on OS 5
RE: No AvantGo on OS 5
I was not able to run Plucker. Crashed everytime. Anybody have any luck getting Plucker to run on the TT?
RE: No AvantGo on OS 5
Now AvantGo has not been updated for a long time. It still does not even support using the SD card. It's really a good service and I hope the software will improve very soon. Is there any news?
Right now, Avantgo uses over 1.33M of my m505.
--
With great power comes great responsiblity.
RE: No AvantGo on OS 5
1. When an ad is displayed at the beginning (i.e., the ubiquitous Sprint PCS ad). This happens because OS 5 does not support the form object in the ad.
2. When the user scrolls past a certain point in the page.
3. Occasionally, there is a sync problem also.
From what I can tell, there is a buffer overflow problem, although I haven't pinned it down.
I don't think it would be unreasonable for AvantGo to fix these issues (in fact, I expect them to do so).
As far as other software, JackFlash doesn't work (redesign is in the works, according to Brayder), TextPlus doesn't work globally for apps such as QuickWord (it works in the TextPlus interface though), PiDirect 2.2 (it fails to recognize databases stored on the SD/MMC) and TealMover (I get a persistent crash when I scroll past a specific point, or when I try to move various files). Speaking of QuickWord, I get several annoying errors, like when I scroll down with the 4-way directional, it creates a new document instead of scrolling, and it fails to remember that I set it as the default memo handler.)
That being said, once the software conforms, this device is better than anything Palm has produced yet.
Security Support?
RE: Security Support?
Ok...Maybe Gimmicky is a tad strong
Yes, it is small. But how small do you have to get? By using the measure of "the smaller the better", there's a PDA watch out there that would be the best thing since sliced bread. Sometimes when you get too small you loose functionality. Just as if you get too big, you loose practicality.
I like the NR70 that I use. It's the right size for me. I liked the Palm IIIxe I had before moving to Sony. I didn't like the m series or the treo's. Too small.
The screen is impressive but I'll take the Hi-res screen of the NR any day. Just need more Hi-res programs to be released. Has anyone seen the Hi-res version of Bejeweled? Very nice.
Ok. Gimmicky is probably in the eye of the beholder and I see the Tungsten as gimmicky. Some see the flip screen of the NR and NX CLies as gimmicky. But at least it serves a function.
I still hold true with my belief that if Palm had have built on the Palm III or Palm V footprint, they would have been better off.
If the Tungsten is what turns your tractor, then go for it. I'll keep my NR70 for now.
RE: Ok...Maybe Gimmicky is a tad strong
RE: Ok...Maybe Gimmicky is a tad strong
SR
RE: Ok...Maybe Gimmicky is a tad strong
Sony and Palm Desktop
RE: Sony and Palm Desktop
- Dan
RE: Sony and Palm Desktop
I now have Palm Desktop 4.1, the latest USB drivers, and a machine that can sync with the TT, the NX70V, the Zire, the Visor Prism, and all the serial devices I've got piled up, going back to the orignal Pilot 1000.
--
Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Sony and Palm Desktop
FBN
m550
Kodak camera
Planning on waiting for a little while before purchasing TT. Still using my old IIIc.
RE: Kodak camera
i own a kodak palmpix too!! and i just recently bought a new tt assuming that it would work with the palmpix... but it doesn't. i am assuming just like my keyboard, it just needs a new driver.
BUT kodak discontinued the palmpix. so i don't know if they will create a new driver for the 5 os. but hopefully someone will or something.
if anyone hears anything about this or has suggestions on getting the palmpix working on a tt... please let me know.
thanks
-eric (ericdblackburn@yahoo.com)
RE: Kodak camera
RE: Kodak camera
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=46057
MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
Buy a Palm for PIM and get an IPOD for Music.
Heck God gave you two hips use'em. One for the IPOD
and one for your favorite Palm device. ;-)
Take care everyone. Just my $.02 worth.
(Ps throw the phone and pager away. Why do you need to talk or do anything with those with all that entertainment available?)
IPOD ROCKS.
D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
I agree totally. I just bought an iPod 10Gig and
love it. Why anyone would waste their time with
a tiny 128MB SD card when you something like the
iPod or Archos are available is beyond me.
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
It's not that TTs can't play videos, you just have to use the SD memory to store them since you couldn't fit much inside built-in RAM. From what I'm hearing, TT plays videos incredibly well thanks to the built-in DSP chip. Haven't tried it myself.
SR
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
ya i know it plays videos and i bet it plays them better (except for hires+) than the NR70v. I just wanted to note that the palms have a place other than as a PIM.
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
RE: MP3 - If you wanna listen to music....
However, I am looking forward to ripping MP3 streams off of public radio so that I can "timeshift" and carry the programming with me. I figure that since most of it is discussion, I can live with low-bit rate and mono audio to save space.
JackFlash / JackSprat
Assuming my UK model has 8mb Flash Rom, presumably including lots of languages, I'd love to make use of all that space!
RE: JackFlash / JackSprat
RE: JackFlash / JackSprat
We are currently testing our products with OS 5. We do not have a specific release date at this time. Please continue to check our web site at www.Brayder.com for updates.
Thank you,
Brayder Support
Keep our fingers crossed. I ordered my TT from MediaMarkt in Germany because of the 8mb ROM thing. If Brayder gets this working we should have over 4 MB of ROM for use. How cool would that be.
RE: JackFlash / JackSprat
RE: JackFlash / JackSprat
Creation Date: 9/11/02
ROM Size: 8257536 bytes
RAM Size: 15503360 bytes
I'm sure there are many other utilities that will give you this info, too. I don't think you can get it with just the built-in apps, though. I like FileZ for file management, and it's free (although I'd register it if it stopped being free). You can find it on PalmGear.
David
RE: JackFlash / JackSprat
RE: JackFlash / JackSprat
-Mike
I sync, therefore I am.
Bad News
Long Live Visor Prism
RE: Bad News
Long Live Visor Prism
RE: Bad News
Regards, Tom S.
RE: Bad News
Once again, having an app on the M505 that would have warned me what would crash and what wouldn't would have been so simple and easy for me...
Palm has yet again released a product that's cool, but without really thinking through the process for users. I just pray to god I don't have to contact tech support for anything...
Richard
Keyboard driver for PPK
"Thank you very much for your inquiry.
I understand that you wish to have information on the drivers for the Palm(TM) Portable Keyboard for the Palm(TM) Tungsten(TM) T handheld.
Please be aware that our Palm Technical Experts are working forward in this direction and an update should be available soon. However we at Palm Technical Support are unable to comment on the exact
release date of the update as we do not have the necessary resources to do so."
Long Live Visor Prism
RE: Keyboard driver for PPK
RE: Keyboard driver for PPK
RE: Keyboard driver for PPK
Where to find the Tungsten
What's All The Excitement About
It's gotten to where we have to "cheat" in advertising battery life - it's really no better or worse than PPC. And what about price? $499 for the Palm - at least as much for Sony; while Dell, Viewsonic, Audiovox and others are releasing $199-$399 PPC units with the same StrongArm processors. It's no wonder my former 600 shares of Palm, at $0.80 per share (now 30 due to the reverse split) are already down to $11.95 a share and falling.
If you're going to morph into a PPC wannabe, you better be a lot more compelling and/or a lot less expensive, to justify your existence. I think Palm has left the tracks on that one. I'll be sorry to see them go.
RE: What's All The Excitement About
Because the PPC is still in the dark ages when it comes to video. Check out the reviews on some of the PPC websites. The new Toshiba struggles to display video at 10 FPS... not much better frame rate than my first Palm IIIe. The latest iPaq manages 14 FPS, an improvement, but compare that to a Palm M515 running 30 FPS. We won't spend too much time discussing the TT easily doing well over 200 FPS, as there is no PPC even in that timezone, let alone that neighborhood. "PPC does media better" has been a straw man for a while and we need to give it a rest.
Sony has been doing MP3 for a while and does an excellent job. Palm has had MP3 add ons for a little while, but did not incorporate it until now because they are more geared towards business.
You are right about the battery life being an issue, and I will take a hard look at it before upgrading. You do need to remember that PPC's have significant battery drain while in standby, while Palm branded handhelds do not. Because of this, constant drain tests will favor the PPC, but if a Palm and a PPC both die at the same time during the "media player loop at half volume/brightness" test, then the Palm will always live longer in the real world.
RAM is another area where I wish they had gone a little further. However, I have 77 applications currently loaded on my 16Mb Palm, and 5Mb still empty. Palm apps are currently smaller, but are leaning to the larger size as time and features are added.
As far as Palm trying to be a "PPC wanabe"... Wannabe what? They do not wannabe Windows based.
What would you say to a PPC which was more reliable, had a far easier UI, a tighter OS which consumed less space and resources, and a 1Ghz XScale? Would you be willing to pay more than $250? Most people would, and we have that equivalent in the new Palm.
RE: What's All The Excitement About
--yeah but it's Kinoma Codec with no sound (200fps). All CLie user notice Kinoma isn't the best. How about .mpeg1 with full sound?
>>>Sony has been doing MP3 for a while and does an excellent job. Palm has had MP3 add ons for a little while, but did not incorporate it until now because they are more geared towards business.
--actually the real reason is not enough horse power and there is not mp3 player for Palm.
>>However, I have 77 applications currently loaded on my 16Mb Palm, and 5Mb still empty.
--what sort of applications? I suppose anybody can have 100 card games and dice. How about Single application of Bible? Loading up netfront will eat up 1MB of your space already.
RE: What's All The Excitement About
Lucan
RE: What's All The Excitement About
>embellishes the facts so as to make his/her product
>look better.
They are just numbers: The video performance is given on PocketPCPassion, so I don't think they would purposely list degraded numbers. The Kinoma numbers are actual results of playing real videos on real handhelds. The audio is disabled during the Kinoma player "performance testing" as designed by the software developer. However, I challenge you to get 200 FPS using even a silent video on any PPC.
Better yet, let's take an identical video with full audio and 16 bit color at 15 FPS. Are you saying that both the Toshiba and iPaq will play these fine with no frame dropping or sync pauses? Or, are you saying that a Palm cannot play such a video? All the hard data supports the PPC numbers I quoted, and those numbers are from PPC sources. I will not post something that I believe is dishonest or intentionally inaccurate, so if you have contrary data from a reliable source, please let me know. I may appear to have a big mouth at times, but I'm easily corrected when given good data.
I've produced well over a hundred videos and video clips ranging from 10 seconds to well over an hour in avi, mpeg1, qt, Kinoma, and TealMovie format. I had to reserve a partition on my main server at home just for video output, so I don't discuss this as a total newbie. I'm not an expert, but this is just to let you know that I did not latch onto this concept a few days ago.
So if we have a Toshiba which struggles with 10 fps, and a much-maligned Palm M505 playing smoothly at at frame rates which the Toshiba cannot even attain, am I supposed to look at them and say the Toshiba plays video better than all Palm OS devices? I'm a realist. If there is a pillar in my basement supporting the house, my beliefs do not change the reality of the pillar's existence.
I also know that there are some things a PPC does better... I never made the claim that Palms do everything better. Matter of fact, I'm still waiting for the perfect wireless email solution for Palm handhelds. The topic was multimedia, in which most people are hypnotized by the mantra of "multimedia is always better on a Pocket PC", even in the face of clear evidence.
My apologies if I appear too direct, but the data given was accurate to the best of my knowledge, and I see the statistics ignored all too frequently,.. expecially by salesmen. Imagine browsing the PDA section of a local electronics store, and a person walks up to a sales rep and asks "what is the difference between these handhelds" and the salesperson begins reeling off a long list of things that a device CAN'T do. You have the same device right there in your pocket, and you do those exact things every day. Regardless of your device being a Palm or a Pocket PC, if the sales rep is wrong, you will probably take notice of the conversation and offer a few corrections if the opportunity presents itself. Yes, I also kindly offer corrections to people when they under-estimate the capabilities of PPC's, and even help new PPC users get up to speed.
Well, it's late and I have to go. Peace to you both, and no offence taken.
RE: What's All The Excitement About
--It might be from actual handheld, but it is NOT an actual viewable movie. (sound compression does take massive computing power too depending on the compression scheme)
>>Or, are you saying that a Palm cannot play such a video?
-- nope, sorry, there is no .mpeg player yet. All there is out there is Mickey mouse codec. (Kinoma)
So unless Tungsten can play standard movie codec at 200 fps, than your number is meaningless until Kinoma port a PPC version of their player. The 1.5 isn't even functioning properly in NX yet. (no sound)
and on top of that all, can somebody actually do all that from SD? (watching entire movie, with popcorn in hand and sound coming out)
otherwise, we are just talking a blip of 1200 frames slide show. Cute, but big deal. Slide shows don't make a movie does it?
PS. since when Kinoma become the standard choice for movie compression anyway? There is not a single quality comparison report on the net that say Kinoma is better than any other codec (.mpeg, divx, avi, etc)
Launcher ???
Come on guys, do a little bit of coding, Palm delivered the POSE for OS5 a long time ago.
Solo
P.S.: Don't talk to me about Launcher X... I've been hearing about it since last February, maybe it's not vaporware, but it's sloooooowwwwwww coming out.
RE: Launcher ???
RE: Launcher ???
They have been working on it for a while, and it seems fine on my Tungsten. Plus, you can "skin" you own themes. They are coming out with an update to that though, so they should get better...
Richard
RE: Launcher ???
RE: Launcher ???
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=25861520020928002805&prodID=43849
is the newest version 1.5.2
Richard
RE: Launcher ???
This is one to watch. A few more revisions will make it a great product.
Try Launcher X
Is sd card access times faster?
RE: Is sd card access times faster?
'Go To Chapter...' command in less than
half a second or so. Maybe 1/4 of a second?
It's really fast. (FYI: Palm Reader Pro 2.0.24,
660K DRM book stored on a 64MB Sandisk SD)
RE: Is sd card access times faster?
European Introduction
A representative of Palmsource explained their philosophy which made a lot of sence. As a reply to a question he said that OS5 does have some multitasking.
Sony was also present, and they explained their plans, which are more in line with their other braches: gaming, music, video. They want to bring it to the PDA. They are working on a pc plug-in which can record television programs and convert them and sync to the Clié. Next year. Also he mentioned a wireless PDA from Sony. Next year. Sony is now working on an organic display for the PDA, which will have much better quality. After 1.5 years.
Between the lines I sort of understood that next year there will be another wireless Palm, after the Tungsten W.
The box
RE: The box
Battery Comparison to Clie T665C
RE: Battery Comparison to Clie T665C
RE: Battery Comparison to Clie T665C
"Eye of the Beholder" is right!
I think the T|T is designed for the smallest size with still the most functionality. I don't own one, but I've handled one, and it appears to be very functional.
The new NX series, I think, is an example of your "too big" observation. I own an NR70, too, and I like its size, but the NX just seems like overkill.
>>"Some see the flip screen of the NR and NX CLies as gimmicky. But at least it serves a function.<<"
The slider serves a function, too. Palm says that about 80% of PDA usage is viewing, not data entry (I'd put it lower, but still over 50%). Based on that, the ability to make the device smaller yet still functional for viewing with the graffiti closed is a purpose. Granted, I, too, would rather see the graffiti space used for screen and virtual graffiti (did I mention I love my NR70?), but I see Palm's perspective.
I'm like you in that I will keep my NR70 until it doesn't work, but I strongly disagree with the notion that this is a gimmicky product. It's definitely well-considered, appears quite well-made, and should be a big seller in spite of it's price.
Bluetooth profiles
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RE: Bluetooth profiles
http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/bluetooth/palm_bluetooth_mwp_r1.pdf
generic access, service discovery, serial port, dialup networking, LAN access point, generic object exchange, and object push
Of course that is an old document, and ones could have been added.
RE: Bluetooth profiles
PS - know there has been a lot of discussion in the US about the $499 price tag for TT In the UK it is about £389, which means it is a lot more expensive over here.
RE: Bluetooth profiles
Yes, there are USB BT adapters that do just that (e.g., Belkin). I have a TDK USB BT adapter, and use it as an 802.11b-to-BT "access point" (802.11b feeds laptop, laptop feeds BT).
While I thought this would be painless with my TT, there is an apparent bug in its BT software: it doesn't seem to like the software-driven Network Access profile in many (most?) BT adapters. However, there is a work-around posted in the Palm forum here, and it's working well for me.
-Mike
I sync, therefore I am.
RE: Internation version
David
RE: Internation version
On this reply, though, I see that it filled the Subject line in for me.
Sorry for the confusion!
David
ROM Size = 8 mg?
I saw this post and checked on my english only palm tungsten (canada) with filez and it also shows an 8 meg rom.
I went back to the palm site and in their tungsten vs. ipaq comparison, it now shows the rom as 8 megs on the tungsten.
Maybe they were all shipped like that.
Kevin
Official Palm response = tungsten has 8 meg rom
"Dear Kevin,
Thank you very much for your inquiry.
I understand that you seek information regarding the specifications
about the storage capacity of the PAlm(TM) Tungsten(TM) T handheld.
Kevin, the Palm(TM) Tungsten(TM) T handheld is equipped with 8MB ROM."
so there you have it, the specs are wrong as stated in some of the press handouts.
Hope that helps (and yes, I am happy about that).
Kevin
WEB Browser Test
This is my first test at posting something using the tungsten Browser.
Lookes promising, but I still would have liked the option of Netfront with high res. zoom option.
I like seeing the screen organised in the manner intended by the site sometimes.
Zuber
leather flip cover
RE: leather flip cover
RE: leather flip cover
RE: leather flip cover
RE: leather flip cover
RE: leather flip cover
EXACTLY!
Let them know!
RE: leather flip cover
Zuber
buttons loose
RE: buttons loose
Bluetooth Setup
TIA
Long Live Visor Prism
RE: Bluetooth Setup
http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7943
Zuber
Palm 550 (TT) vs. Sony NX70V Clie
I purchased both the Palm 550(TT) and the Sony NX70V Clie. I have to admit both were impressive and I liked features on one or the other. However ultimately the Palm 550(TT) won out.
I selected the Palm 550(TT) due to the improvements made in the familiar Palm. Additionally I selected it due to it's compact size and battery life. I like a whole lot more about it as well. It's great.
Frankly these three(3) items were the key to my decision as well as the others to many to list here.
I'm sure all of us have similar reasons or completely different reasons all together for choosing one or the other.
The Clie was nice and very gimmicky. I guess it's go the best cool factor, but I wondered if I'd really need all those gimmicks? I decided I did not. It's back in the box enroute to Sony.
Oh and by the way, the online purchasing experience that I had with Sony Style was by far the worst online purchasing experience I've ever had. You can bet that I will not purchase from Sony Style online again. I'm not knocking Sony products (I own many of those), but Sony Style online is something I'll avoid and I'm telling my friends to avoid as well.
One more thing. Prior to this I'd been using an IPAQ 3835 since April. Well it's gone. It died last week - battery problems for which the device is famous for I believe - and I swapped it out using my extended warranty for the Palm 550(TT). I certainly will not look at another PPC again. ppppphhhhhffffffftttttt! :-p
Peace Live Long and Palm away....
D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer
RE: Palm 550 (TT) vs. Sony NX70V Clie
- Ron N.
Former HiToro/Amiga ASIC Architect and Director of Hardware Engineering
RE: Palm 550 (TT) vs. Sony NX70V Clie
B
ex-editor, Amiga Format, Amiga Computing... :)
RE: Palm 550 (TT) vs. Sony NX70V Clie
RE: Palm 550 (TT) vs. Sony NX70V Clie
Screen Protector for Tungsten T
Thanks,
Operator99
The guy with the most coveted PDA in the office.
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
Operator99
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
operator99
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
FBN
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
I'll let you know when it turns up. However, they are quoting upto 21 days for delivery. Hope that is just worst case. Probably have a new one out for the T by the time mine arrives.
Zuber
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
RE: Screen Protector for Tungsten T
No Moire patterns with the Ipac protector - What Brand are the protectors?
Thanks.
screen calibration drift question.
Is anybody else experiencing this? I haven't seen any mention of it on the web anywhere. Are there any issues with using a 256M SD card? Couldn't find any mention of that anywhere either, but I may have just missed something.
Anyway, any comments or help would be most welcome.
Thanks,
John
RE: screen calibration drift question.
I have skyscape programs and every now and then - I literally have to pound the stylus on the screen to get it to work.....I just though it was because of the thick screen protector ( IPAQ ) - but I guess its not......
I think I am going to go back and exchange mine....
RE: screen calibration drift question.
I know that many people had their TTs before I got mine, so I think that if there were a general calibration issue then more people would have noticed it by now.
David
RE: screen calibration drift question.
I have to re-calibrate it every day. It works for some times after calibration but it drifts later.
How do you fixed this?
Do I need to send it back and repair it?
Thanks a lot
Vincent
RE: screen calibration drift question.
Best buy replaced mine about 3 months ago and now this one is doing the same thing,
RE: screen calibration drift question.
Anyone with a fix, please tell me... Regards!!!
RE: screen calibration drift question.
I am also having this problem and getting very fed up with it. This seems to be quite a common problem. Can anyone from palm offer some input on how to fix this (is it fixable?) or should we return the tt for repair?
FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
RE: FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
--
With great power comes great responsiblity.
RE: FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
Unfortunately, many programs are not compatible with OS 5.;
Specifically, the handheldmed READER v5.0 (the latest) does NOT work with the sd card. If you want to use version 4.0, it does work but you'll have to keep your books in main ram.
secondly, the installer for epocrates seems not to work.
I have loaded up skyscape versions of the programs instead, but they have a higher overhead and I don't like their formatting as much.
Kevin
RE: FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
RE: FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
Thanks for the reply!
RE: FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
Did they throw a new version of the reader, or is it the same one that works??
RE: FOR THE THIRD TIME, PLEASE SOMEBODY ANSWER ME!!
PS- Don't shout. It's not polite, especially when you're asking others for a favor. I emailed Skyscape myself and got and answer before I upgraded.
So what is the real life then?
Get some perspective before you start chastising people about their perception..
----------------------------------------------------
I see -- so Palm is incorrect with their 30 min. x 7 days. They intentionally underrated their device?
Are you saying that it get 5 or 6 hours at medium backlight? What IS the correct perception you claim I have no clue and no right to have? Please tell me what's the REAL device life. Waiting for your reply.
RE: So what is the real life then?
Sorry for the outburst... gotta get my perspective...
MP3s and videos
RE: MP3s and videos
kleung21
Thanks.
RE: MP3s and videos
Memory cards, on-screen keyboard, Mac OS X apps
1. Does any SD card work with the Tungsten? 128MB, 256MB. Any issues I should be aware of before I buy a card?
2. Is there any way to bring up an onscreen keyboard WITHOUT sliding down the bottom half of the Tungsten? Surely there's a way to program one of the buttons to bring the keyboard up so I can do a quick search without having to slide the thing down.
3. Does anyone using Mac OS X know if there is a way to HotSync with iCal or Address apps rather than with the Palm Desktop equivalents?
Thanks much!
RE: Memory cards, on-screen keyboard, Mac OS X apps
RE: Memory cards, on-screen keyboard, Mac OS X apps
try out the program newpen (version 1.4).
It allows you to write graffiti on the main screen without opening up the keyboard.
Kevin
RE: Memory cards, on-screen keyboard, Mac OS X apps
So I would really imagine that the T|T can easily handle 256 mb cards and (I'd assume) 512 mb cards.
Where to buy TT
RE: Where to buy TT
But note that they do not mention that they have it in stock. Only that they will ship when it becomes available.
RE: Where to buy TT
RE: screen calibration drift question.
Another odd thing with mine is that the lower 20% of the backlight range is completely black, and the lowest light level I get actually flickers like a faulty fluorescent tube.
I did an estimate of battery life at half illumination for continuous use, usual things like Bejewelled, Quickoffice, hotsyncing, card backups, some on-idling, and got a first warning after 237 minutes, just under 4 hours. Reducing the backlight to minimum only extended that to 264 minutes.
Potential Hardware Accessory
Perhaps this is a bit farfetched but a piece of hardware I would like to see is a portable DVD player similar to a portable CD player with a Universal connector on the end. The connector would of course provide the video and audio feed for the Tungsten. The design is already in place and I cant believe the electronics are much different than a portable CD player. You could completely remove the audio section and use 4 or 6 AA cells as suplimental power for the unit. The audio would of course be routed to the headphone jack on the Tungsten. It would be a good travel companion for the Airplane...
Long Live Visor Prism
RE: Potential Hardware Accessory
On a related note, what I'd REALLY like to see is a larger clamshell style unit, in the shape of the current portable DVD players with screens (from Aiwa, Panasonic, Samsung etc). But I'd add in a built in GPS system with a fold out antenna. Enormous quantities of maps (international, domestic, and otherwise) could be stored on a single DVD-ROM. During non-driving time, the unit could play DVD movies or display digicam pics if equipped with a memory card slot. I think such a device would appeal to the road warriors (as well as long distance truckers) out there that can use a PDA for their computing tasks (ie don't need a laptop), but still want one more device that can both entertain and navigate. It would cerainly beat having to pay mega $$$ for expensive (and usually proprietary) GPS memory cards with a fraction of the storage space of a DVD disc. Just a thought.
Dust
A high-pitched whine?
RE: A high-pitched whine?
RE: A high-pitched whine?
...and now, I will pass it on to my father, and probably will work great for him for many years to come...I myself will evolve to the TUNGSTEN!!!!!!!!!
Dust under the screen
RE: Dust under the screen
RE: Dust under the screen
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
Just bought my Tungsten T!!!
RE: Just bought my Tungsten T!!!
Thanks again. PS If the MP3 is as good as the Clie, spend up for the 128 card. I had Vx w/Omnisky now the Clie 760, now I'm trying to find both Internet and MP3
RE: Just bought my Tungsten T!!!
- I am currently in Singapore and am on GSM. Getting 28800 speed currently. Gonna check out with Singapore Telecom on more details on GPRS which should help reduce cost.
Can you really leave the phone in your coat while suffing the net?
- Yes! In fact, i leave my mobile in my bag while i surf and download my short messages (SMS).
Is it easy to get your email or do you have constanly keep checking.
- You have to use your dialup to check. if you are not downloading any attachments, it is decent.
I am currently waiting for the MP3 player for my TT. :)
RE: Just bought my Tungsten T!!!
Tungsten ships with old Browser - Clie gets the new..
Had read with excitement previews of the Web Browser due to ship with OS5 - included below.
Suffice to say Sony Clies OS5 products are shipping with this flagship new gen browser (proxyless, HTML4, CSS support etc).
The Tungsten ships with an awful proxy based thing called Web Pro that seems to be reskined old technology - it isn't as good as Blazer 1.1 and is slower. Web Pro supports none of the standards I am interested in for wireless browsing.
I want the Netfront 3 browser below - but - and here's the worry - there is no Palm OS version available for love nor money.
You can download PPC versions, Linux versions etc but no Palm.
I hope & pray that Sony haven't done an exclusive on this as without this browser my new TT is not much use to me (nice though it is).
Anybody got any info on this?
M1
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About NetFront
NetFront v3.0 is a modular, scalable browser designed to meet the unique requirements of resource-constrained consumer information appliances, delivering high performance and an extensive feature set with low memory and power requirements. NetFront’s modular architecture allows for custom configurations for specific target hardware. This unique scalability allows NetFront v3.0 to cover a broad range of appliance profiles from mobile phones to digital televisions. In addition to the latest W3C specifications HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0, NetFront v3.0 supports enhanced features such as Dynamic HTML, ECMA Script (JavaScript), DOM (Document Object Model), CSS, and SSL (Secure Socket Layer). JV-Lite2, a J2ME compliant Java runtime environment, and an MMS client are also available as optional modules.
TT not for now
Hope your replacement unit will come without problems.
Wish for TT2
- Blue tooth
- Hi res with great color
- Audio
it's already come with TT
I wish more... for coming model (Perhaps TT2)
_ Internal RAM 32 or 64 with new type 90% less power consume
_ Changeable Batt. like cell phone 1 batt. can't survive long trip.
_ Jog dial (If possible)
_ Hard transparence flip cover PalmIII style(Best for one hand operation)
Fancy Lemons?
RE: Fancy Lemons?
Please buy Palm stuff, I want my stock to go back up so I can sell it!
Any opinions on bundled software?
- Form Factor (same size except the ability to compact)
- Faster Processor
- SD cards are up to 512 and rumored 1 Gb on solid state! Memory sticks are stuck at 128
- Voice recorder
- Built in Bluetooth
I just want to be sure the applications are up to snuff...
Thnx in advance,
Tim
LauncherX and other tidbits I figured out the hard way
First impressions
- AWESOME display! Colors are fantastic, white background makes everything very readable. Like some others my TT has a piece of "dust", about 1/16" to 1/8" in length at the lower right-hand part of the display. It sits just outside the main display screen and becomes more noticeable the brighter the backlight. Not sure if I'll exchange the unit because of the "dust" as everything else seems to be working very well - i.e., no high-pitched sound coming from speaker or any of the other hardware-related issues mentioned in earlier PIC postings.
- Other TT hardware: application keys have a nice feel as does the directional control. An extremely nice feature is that the "select" button in the center of the directional control, when pressed and held for about 2 seconds, brings up the application launcher. This keeps you from having to open the slider every time you want to run another application. (This feature does not works correctly from all of the built-in applications but not with some others - for example, BugMe! version 4.2.)
Stylus: without a doubt, the TT stylus is absolutely the BEST I have ever used! It has a much smoother feel when writing on both the m515 and TT screens than the standard m515 stylus. Unfortunately the TT stylus doesn't fit in the m515's silo. When extended, the TT stylus is almost exactly the same length as the standard m515 stylus. What's really nice is the TT stylus can be used to do a soft reset on the TT, where the m515's stylus cap has to be unscrewed.
- Applications: all of my legacy applications have worked, with the exception of SimpleSketch and ListMaker. Had to install the latest version of BugMe! (v4.2) as version 4.0, although supposedly compatible, didn't save notes properly and consistently caused the TT to reset. SilverScreen launches IMMEDIATELY - the "please wait" dialog that I had gotten used to seeing on my m515 never appears on the TT. WordSmith is nothing but AWESOME on the TT, taking full advantage of the hi-res display. Even the smallest of fonts is absolutely crystal clear on this display! The built-in Voice Memo application is VERY cool and playback sound through the TT’s speaker is excellent!
- Astraware games: have played Bejeweled, Candy Cruncher and Zap2016! so far. Bejeweled looks great and sounds great, play is very fast. Zap2016! is simply AWESOME on the TT!
- Palm Portable Keyboard: downloaded the beta keyboard driver available on Palm's website and it is working perfectly! Wrote this review on the TT using the PPK and WordSmith and encountered no issues.
- Battery life: played games on my m515 and the TT last night for about an equal amount of time, both with the backlight on a low setting. The m515's battery didn't move from 100% but the TT was down to 92%, checked with SilverScreen's battery indicator. Need to use both devices over several days to get a real feel for battery life on the TT. Awesome battery life on the m515 has always been one of my favorite features as I never had to worry about carrying a travel charger.
Bluetooth: used BlueBoard and BlueChat between the TT and the m515 with Palm Bluetooth card. Everything worked smoothly althought the TT did reset itself once when switching between the two applications. TT Bluetooth doesn't seem to use up the battery as quickly as does the Bluetooth card on the m515. Also noticed that the devices couldn't discover each other if I left one or the other in BlueBoard or BlueChat and switched to the other application. Had to get back out to the application launcher for discovery to be successful.
Overall, my first impressions of the TT are extremely favorable. What you really need to decide is if the decreased battery life is worth the extra processing power and hi-res display. So far, I think the tradeoff is definitely acceptable, as long as you can find replacement applications for any legacy apps you're using that might not work on the TT. As mentioned above I've only had two apps that don't work on the TT.
TT or T665?
RE: TT or T665?
RE: TT or T665?
Versamail problems
Any suggestions for a workaround besides manually deleting emails? Or will this require enough complaints from users for the option to reverse this change?
2) For those considering upgrading to the Premium version of DataViz Docs to Go, Versamail doesn't yet recognize the extra plug-ins. According to DataViz, Palm didn't get the license for the additional plug-ins.
Vinyl protectors
Avantgo
In my case it is not trivial as the prog will not sync at all.
RE: Avantgo
Palm vs. PPC
I always just look at them and say, "It's exactly because it has Windows that I detest it so much. I have to use Windows every day at work, the last thing I want to do is use on my handheld too..."
Besides which, it just doesn't fit...
B
Screen flicker subject:
...I mean, first of all, is it normal for the TT's front-light to be turned OFF (not low, but OFF) when putting the slider in the lowest setting??
...Then, if this is "normal", should'nt it be also normal (since the slider is so graduable) for the screen to "flicker" at a given point between off and low??
..my guess is that this is a normal thing...every "dimmable" ligh bulb does this at a given time between off and normal if you move the dimmer up veeery solwly!!
email on Hot Sync is gone in Tungsten T... help, please
mswunder
RE: email on Hot Sync is gone in Tungsten T... help, please
How's the TT under bright daylight?
Tungsten screen question for any owner:
RE: Tungsten screen question for any owner:
RE: Tungsten screen question for any owner:
Do standard features stay when upgrading??
RE: Do standard features stay when upgrading??
Keyboard driver posted !!
Palm has heard us: they are now offering the 1.9 beta driver for the Stowaway keyboard on their support website:
http://www.palm.com/support/beta/tungstent_keyboard_legal.html
I installed it in my Palm Tungsten T, and it works even with my German keyboard.
HANDHELDMED...
Has anybody figured this out?
Am I the only one that uses this reader??
RE: HANDHELDMED...
WOW, GREAT NEWS...I cant live without this reader!!
Buying the TT tomorrow!!! (that is...If I dont get there on time today, JAAA!!)
Finally,
THANKS A LOT FOR ANSWERING!
RE: HANDHELDMED...
"We do not have a Reader for the Palm OS 5 at this time. We are working
on this and should have it complete in the very soon (1 week). We
appreciate your patience in this matter.
Thank You
Handheldmed Customer Support"
Less Convenient than Palm 515
1. Who cares about the LENGTH of the PDA? Its the width and depth you care about
2. Who cares about protecting the graffitti area? Its the who screen that needs to be protected if its to be a caseless form-factor
3. The collapsable pen is a not convenient, either.
So a simple use of the Tungsten takes 2-3 extra movements. I wish they'd simply kept the original form factor and upped the screen resolution.
I am not a basher: I have had every Palm made and I waited for the Tungsten rather than get any Sony, etc.
I am thinking of returning the Tungsten because, for most use, its actually less convenient, coupled with the fact many applications don't work yet: Avantgo, WordComplete, etc.
Comments??
RE: Less Convenient than Palm 515
RE: Less Convenient than Palm 515
RE: Less Convenient than Palm 515
RE: Less Convenient than Palm 515
RE: Less Convenient than Palm 515
Battery Life
BTW, how often do u recharge ur Tungsten?
RE: Battery Life
RE: Battery Life
RE: Battery Life
Love isn't about becoming somebody else's "perfect person." Rather, it's about finding someone who helps you become the best person you can be.
RE: Battery Life
and here's my TT's battery performance:
i used my TT for my exam revision today starting from noon till around 8 tonite. fully charged when leaving cradle. only two softwares were used for the whole day: iSilo and Document-to-go (also Yishow as launcher), for reading .pdb and .doc files from SD card.
battery bar dropped to 70% at around 5pm.
finally before TT resting back on the cradle, only 42% left.
i dunno think TT can give me a 2-day battery life performance during these days i'm preparing for exam. condition may be even worse when BT is used, which i didn't turn on today.
how's ur TT perform?
RE: Battery Life
Kinoma
I'm trying to convert my movies from within my kinoma producer, but I cant because it just works with the *&%$#@#^%** quicktime player and it gives me a message saying that it needs an upgrade that's not available right now...this is just for AVI's....not a problem for MPEGS, but all my downloaded movies are AVI....does anybody know if theres a patch or something for the quicktime movie player that you can download??? ...I downoladed the one that was announced in the Kinoma produrer's site (in the FAQ's section), but i dont know where to put it for it to work...
Does anybody know anything about this??
I CAN'T SEE MOVIES IN MY TUNGSTEN!! :(
RE: Kinoma
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
Dead Pixels
Does Palm give any gurantee on the number of dead pixels?
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
RE: Dead Pixels
Does anyone have a Tungsten T with no dust and no dead pixeL?
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RE: Dead Pixels
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Paul C.
RE: Dead Pixels
You are so lucky!
However, you may want to use a complete black background to watch for dead pixels.
I've told Palm about the dead pixel on its e-mail support. They've just asked me to soft-reset or hard-reset my Tungsten T. This didn't help and I've just returned my Tungsten T and waiting for the next shipment. (They still keep my money though!)
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
RE: Dead Pixels
RE: Dead Pixels
It's so good for you. I think it's already good enough to get the Tungsten T dust free, at least in a first few months. ;-)
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
uppermost part of screen not sensitive
RE: uppermost part of screen not sensitive
Returned it for new one and both problems are gone!
RE: uppermost part of screen not sensitive
RE: uppermost part of screen not sensitive
this thread, I knew I had a lemon. Thanks for info.
RE: uppermost part of screen not sensitive
RE: uppermost part of screen not sensitive
RE: uppermost part of screen not sensitive
<http://www.palm.com/support/downloads/tungstent_digitizer.html>
SCREEN PROTECTORS
RE: SCREEN PROTECTORS
RE: SCREEN PROTECTORS
Alarm sounds...
Do they work??
Tungsten Problems with San Disk 128MB SD Card
I called Palm they had no known issues and I called San Disk and had the same story.
Turns out the SD card was getting flakey and dying. Now the Tungsten cannot even recognize it.
I wonder if anyone else has had problems with SD cards? Are they generally reliable?
Also are there any products that back up the SD card during a hot sync? Perhaps something that only backs up changes to the card?
D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer
Power-on with D-pad
The only other problem I can report is in trying to load small data files from third-party software--they just don't seem to appear on the Applications launcher.
I have Bluetooth synchronization working, I have my laptop (on a WiFi LAN) passing along a web connection via Bluetooth to the TT, and pretty much everything working, so thanks to many in this forum.
Still wishing there were an MP3 player, and a straight-up MPEG player (hey, my crappy digital camera can do it; why can't my Palm?)for Palm OS5...
RE: Power-on with D-pad
<http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=A5AB14DC-B711-4BFF-887D7C5873CBB0D1&prodID=45710>
Also there are a small selection of MP3 player emerging for OS5, these too can be Had from PalmGear.
The two most popular are "AeroPlayer 1.6.1" and "Pocket Tunes 1.7" both shareware and expire after 15 days. However a new (very new!) player "MMPlayer 0.0.2" is freeware, not as nice interface but does the job :)
I'd also suggest people get an "OS5 enhanced" multimedia player that takes advantage of the special hardware in a Palm TT. It's true that there are non-OS5 players but may not perform so good.
All that said we're still waiting for Real to cough-up there "RealAudio player for Palm" app promised earlier this year.
<http://www.realnetworks.com/company/press/releases/2002/palm.html>
James Bond couldn't have done it better.
This thing is pretty much my dream-electronic-device... I need it... being a writer myself, it combined with microphone recording, headphone jack and Stowaway keyboard, not to mention wireless, I am struggling to maintain my budget. I also do not normally use all-capitals, but in this case it is necerssary, as follows: I WANT THIS PALM!!!!!!!!!
Hi.
Tungsten and GPRS
Help........
Tungsten T Keyboard
the salesgirl in the comp shop i went to said it had a different keyboard because of the sliding face plate. but i saw the picture in the palm website and the keyboard looked like the regular one to me.
i want to buy one to replace my dying m500 but if the regular keyboard works i wouldn't have to sell my logitech keyboard.
RE: Tungsten T Keyboard
Not as good as it should be
What I want is an updated M515 with a faster processor and MP3 support in the same beautiful design.
Unfortunately, hardware design and build quality at Palm has gone down of late and the competition (Sony) isn't very good either.....!
Off to buy a PocketPC anyone?
RE: Not as good as it should be
RE: Not as good as it should be
As a whole, yes, the build quality has suffered as they have made changes to reflect a need for pofitability ratehr than just pleasing customers. No excuses, but it has happened the same in other industries and usually takes someone with heart to get things in order.
mobileministrymagazine.blogspot.com
antoinerjwright.com
RE: Not as good as it should be
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Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com
RE: Not as good as it should be
Carl M Lewis
I wish there was an upgraded 515
The 515 is a nicer machine than the TT and I wish it was available with an improved screen, OS5, more ram, a better processor and more memory.
Does any one know if there are plans to introduce this type of machine?
RE: I wish there was an upgraded 515
So how is the Tungsten T ????
I'm writing to you from Israel and wanted to ask if you Tungsten owners are happy with it ???? do you recomand it ???
Thanks
RE: So how is the Tungsten T ????
I need to recalibrate everytime it goes off! All the updates installed without any result !
Crashes continously. I cannot even use applications without a crash, have to use YiShow !
The Palm Ultrathin Keyboard is very fragile, came out of the package broken and I am having a lot of problems to get it repaired !
Tungsten and the M-series
I'm seriously thinking of getting the Tungsten! Help!
Thanks!
RE: Tungsten and the M-series
RE: Tungsten and the M-series
All of the above accessories work perfectly. The travel charger is a bit wobbly but I recently noticed that Palm has been selling a newer, revised version of the travel charger. It uses slide-in plug adaptors that take up a bit less room. The UC connector on the charging cable also fits the Z71 and T|T far more securely than my older one does.
Now if Palm could just begin to standardize somewhat on stylus shapes, we'd really be set! I will be the first to admit, I didn't have much faith in Palm's adherence to the UC standard but aside from the original Zire, they've stuck to it faithfully. Wow.
Need help with Fido Canada internet setup
I have just bought Tungsten T handled and have some problems with Internet access. I have Fido Canada as GPRS ISP and can access internet from my phone (Ericsson t39). But palm’s Phone Link Updater does not have Fido in ISP provider list. May be anyone knows the Palm Login Script settings for Fido Canada?
I’ll be really appreciated if someone could send me some instructions.
My email is
Thank you in advance.
Disable Palm Tungsten T mic?
Is it possible to do in software? If not, is it possible to do in hardware (i.e. physically remove mic from device)? If this is the only alternative perhaps someone can advise me on how to remove the back of the device. Are there hidden screws under the sliding mechanism or some trick to getting it off?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
Can i ask a question??
I have a question: does a palm pilot over heat??
I think my palm over heat??
I have a question: does a palm pilot over heat??
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