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RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the rest?
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currently using Palm m125 and waiting for Garmin iQue.
RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the rest?
RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the re
RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the rest?
For the M515 maybe, but considering the final release specs for the Z71, I'm even less convinced that the T|T deserves a price drop than I was before.
RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the rest?
Z71... That reminds me of the performance package on an 84 Corvette. Rough Riding but loads of fun.
Keep the m515, just drop the price.
I have no idea why both it and the T are priced so high, but they need a price reduction.
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RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the rest?
Otherwise, today is quit a good day indeed for the Palm world! I just am holding out for a refreshed T|T with a backlit Graffiti area.
RE: it's for real folks, but what about the prices of the rest?
Could it be!?!? The return of Fzara2000!?
Or could it be the new models from Palm!?
Nah. I just wanted to have a nice bash. ;)
"Now thats just PRIME!"
No DSP on Zire 71...
Probably just a tradeoff to keep the price low...
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
Also the Zire 71 has no microphone or line input.
Zire 71: NO Wireless Connectivity!?
"Conclusion: At $299, the Zire 71 is stacked against Sony's CLIE PEG-SJ33 handheld. For the first time that we can recall, at a given price point Palm beats Sony in both feature set and design and integration. The Zire 71 is an excellent device. We're disappointed by the lack of Bluetooth poor stylus, and pointing stick Navigator, but the good camera, mouth-watering screen, and excellent software integration win us over. The Zire 71 is now the device to beat in the mid-range market.
-What's positive: Superb screen, good camera, good software integration
-What's negative: Plastic stylus, pointing-stick Navigator, no Bluetooth or high-powered IR
5 out of 6"
http://www.infosync.no/system/print/index.php?id=3460
Brighthand Reviews the Palm Zire 71: "The Palm Zire 71 is a remarkable mid-range handheld that combines style and functionality, while remaining true to Palm's "pocketable, easy-to-use, long battery life" philosophy. Its only shortcoming is its lack of integrated wireless, which we hope can be somewhat overcome in the near future with support for Secure Digital Bluetooth and Wi-Fi cards."
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Zire_71_review
Brighthand’s Preliminary Review of the Palm Tungsten C: "....the Tungsten C looks like a very impressive device. When I first heard hints Palm was putting together a model with built-in Wi-Fi and a 400 MHz processor, I expected it to cost at least $600. Palm really surprised me by pricing it at $500. That puts it $100 less than the Toshiba e750, which has a roughly similar feature set. This device could win Palm not only sales among power users but among large corporate clients as well."
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Tungsten_C_Preliminary_Review
For the business user, Palm has upped the ante with the fastest processor ever in a Palm OS handheld. The Tungsten C is backed by an Intel XScale processor running at 400 MHz, twice the speed of any Palm OS handheld to date, and offers 64 MB of RAM, four times that of any other shipping Palm OS handheld. (The Garmin iQue 3600 is expected to have 32 MB of RAM, but is not yet available.) It offers the same 5-Way Navigator and thumbboard of the Tungsten W, while keeping almost the exact same size and shape. Although it has no external antenna, the Tungsten C includes an integrated 802.11b "Wi-Fi" radio. In order to provide all-day usage, it also sports the same 1500 mAh battery of the Tungsten W. Although it does not include an MP3 player, it does include a voice recorder, DataViz Documents To Go, a proxy-less web browser, and VPN support."
http://www.infosyncworld.com/system/print.php?id=3459
Palms range of WiFi is about 40-50 feet here (compared to all the negative talk about Bluetooth range of 30 feet?????) and am curious about the battery life (the Toshiba e740 runs less then 2 hours).....
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
The DSP on the T|T is used for playback of streamed sounds (according to a TI engineer). This should cause some differential in background audio performance. Whether or not the 192K of cache on the 310 will offset that, I don't know, but I can't see it. If PalmSG does an update to the OS and implements it properly, it could be used for both decode and playback of MP3/OGG. Whether they'll do either remains to be seen.
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
"192-KB of shared internal SRAM - frame buffer"
The difference between OMAP310 and 1510 seems to be only in the DSP core...
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
"192-KB of shared internal SRAM - frame buffer"
The difference between OMAP310 and 1510 seems to be only in the DSP core..."
Yep, I must've missed it this morning because it's not broken out separately like the 310 spec is.
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
The Z71 doesn't have a voice recorder, a feature which is a requirement of many TT purchasers.
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
I use PocketToons MP3 Player....
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
TC
"...in the end the only one left smiling was the Jester, and his was only painted on..." - TC
RE: No DSP on Zire 71...
Because Palm's OS 5 release can't deal with a DSP chip (or do decent multitasking), the chip is a "waste of silicon"???
Operating systems are supposed to make hardware accessible to application software. The degree to which Palm OS fails to do that, that's a deficiency in Palm OS, not in the hardware.
In fact, this is a perennial problem with Palm OS: every megabyte of memory added, every screen pixel, every flash card, and every piece of audio hardware is a hard-won battle with that OS. Let's hope that OS 6 will be better than this because if it isn't, Palm is history (or at least should be).
Friigin Thumboard
I think if they are gonna go the thumboard route, they need to incorporate a virtual mouse pointer with roller ball. This way you won't need to grab the stylus.
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currently using Palm m125 and waiting for Garmin iQue.
RE: Friigin Thumboard
~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: Friigin Thumboard
Me too. Lately, they just kick out units with this thum(b) keyboard (or the Zire71 with regular Graffiti area.
Take the Tungsten T, replace the sliding mech with a virtual Graffiti (it would be nice to have even a better display, e.g. like Cliés) and off we go.
Don't need camera and other gimmicks. But....
...give us the real estate (screen) we deserve!!
and bluetooth for mobile connection. (I don't want to download huge attachements, but just get some plain eMails and eventually some small attachements. This will be perfectly satisfied by bluetooth.)
And I want the mobile to dial my contacts from the Palm without lining it up for IR!
PALM SG, are you listening???
presently using m105 - waiting for Garmin iQue3600 with Bluetooth
RE: Friigin Thumboard
BTW, I've used the thumbboard, it's not bad, my only complaint is that the D-pad is a little small. Us fat thumbed will be at a slight disadvantage...
RE: Friigin Thumboard
Don't need a camera, don't need WiFi, don't need
a thumbboard. But I'd like something smaller than
Sony's clamshell units with a large screen so I
don't have to scroll so much when reading long
documents. IMO, this is Palm's biggest weakness
compared to Pocket PC.
RE: Vitual Graffitti
At least that's what I'm holding out for!
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
The ideal form factor (this minute) would be that of the garmin ique 3600 - 320x480 and under 5.5 oz - but with selectable 802.11b/bluetooth (both radios onboard and user switches between one/both/none of them) instead of the GPS (though that is tasty too).
Major uses would be browser/internet/email, calendar syncing with whatever group calendar you use, and phone/contact interface via bluetooth. Camera, if you want one for occasional use, could be slipped into the SDIO slot or use the one on your phone instead.
Yes, give us Graffiti with the thumbboard.
It's often mentioned, but I've seen no definition. (Maybe I have to get up earlier in the day.
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RE: Friigin Thumboard
Half a clamshell Clie or an m515 with virtual graffiti, and I'm there. Preferably the latter, since I prefer SD over Memory Stick.
The bigger screen would be welcome for reading (ebooks and Avantgo) and viewing video. Kinoma Player/Producer is awesome, and supports HiRes+. Even my PPC friends are astonished by the picture clarity. I think if a PalmOS licensee is serious about making an entertainment/multimedia PDA, it has to have a HiRes+ screen and NO thumboard (it's a PDA, not a mini-laptop!). Personally, I don't need a built-in camera.
RE: Friigin Thumboard
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I love my Treo 90
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RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
I would switch faster than you could say "Thumboard".
I was wooed from Palm to PPC by the screens of those devices (I came back due to size and functionality of Palm). A perfect device would have VG, size of the M515, SD and that's it. No bells and whistles, don't need all that. I have a keyboard if I wanna type!
Please, VG!!!!
RE: Friigin Thumboard
Bah! I'm holding out for 480x640 virtual graffiti.
RE: Friigin Thumboard
listen to us, dammit!
RE: Friigin Thumboard
640x960 B) ...
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
For Xmas, I expect to see Canesta LCD keyboard in a propped up Palm. Why would I want a dinky thumbboard?
And I can Jot or Virtual Graffiti on the 320x480 screen. I will say that I like the ability to write without looking at the screen that I do with Graffiti.
Andy
RE: Friigin Thumboard - My April 2003 Dream PDA ;-)
http://members.cox.net/jerrodh/TungstenCv.jpg
-JWH
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
-JWH
RE: Friigin Thumboard
I'm not so sure...the management at Palm may be opposed to virtual graffiti if they belive it violates their design/interface philosophies (the "Zen" of palm, if that still exists). I wouldn't put it past them to believe they know better than consumers what is best.
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
Bull. Bull, Bull, Bull and Bull. Look idiots - anyone who is going to come on this site let the world know what a 'genius' they are by informing us about how OS 5 works had damned well better think about this before saying that OS 5 magically takes care of a screen scaling. A quick example to point out the stupidity of this - ongoing - line of reasoning:
I have an app with small icons/buttons lined up on the bottom of the screen. For old Palm OS, I have low-res bitmaps designed for 160x160 screen. For OS 5 hi-density API devices, I have double-density icons (the only densities currently supported as part of a bitmap family by any resource editors). Now, for either device, the same 160x160 screen co-ordinate system is used (OS 5 uses this for backward compatibilty). So, geniuses, what happens when i run this on, say, an OS 5 device that uses 1.5 x density? Well, if you go the route of allowing scaling of the double-density images down to 75% of their resolution (thats 1.5x versus 2x) - yr icons (especially if they are small and detailed) trun into crap. So what alternative do you have if you actually want things to look nice on a device with a 1.5 x, or 2.5 x or 3 x screen? You guessed it - MORE WORK. Case closed.
It's *SOFT* Graffiti!
RE: Friigin Thumboard
http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/71vg.jpg
RE: Friigin Thumboard
http://www.genio-e.com/pda/products/gd_index.htm
-- click on the button FLASH.
RE: Friigin Thumboard
http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/71vg.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friggin Thumboard
I bought a Dell Axim, mostly out of curiosity (the price was so low) and I hate the OS BUT I LOVE the extra screen size! If the Tungsten C had Virtual Grafitti instead of the freakin made-for-women-and-children-with-tiny-fingers thumboard that somehow every manufacturer thinks people want (See Handspring and their freeway-speed drive into obscurity on the back of thumboard-only devices) I'd go buy it right now!
Okay, I feel better--it's nice to vent a bit.
I train on PDAs every day and I've used them all, Palm's keyboard implementation of the thumboard is far superior to Handsprings but it's still not as easy as good old graffiti.
Frankly, I'm a little scared. I bought a PPC on a whim and I'm not sure I can go back to Palm, no matter how much better it is--the extra screen is just too nice! Why, oh why, Palm, do you make us choose??? A Tungsten T with VG would be the perfect device for me and, I believe, many others. It has the multi-media abilities of the PPC but with the simplicity, size, and ubiquity of Palm OS. If research really shows that EVERYBODY (except me) can't live without a thumboard, I'll just shut up, but what about a compromise--the sliding thumboard with gaffiti underneath (virtual, I hope) a la Sharp Zaurus?
(I feel like an official part of PIC now, that was my first trip to the soapbox--but I feel really strongly that grafitti should live a good, long life.)
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: Friigin Thumboard
Make that sliding VG with thumboard underneath, that way I never have to open it. :D
RE: Friigin Thumboard
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RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
Yes, look an idiot, someone you don't want writing your software for you. Oh the horrors if/when a 4, 3 or 1.5 density screen appears, you might actually have to add the bitmaps for those densities. Instead we'll get to listen to you whine, whine, whine, whine and whine because developers like you can't design their software with other resolutions in mind. Yes, let's hold back the Palm platform just for people like you.
RE: Friigin Thumboard
RE: Friigin Thumboard
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RE: Friigin Thumboard
When are Sony and Palm going to get a clue??? Those thumboards are so cheesy!!!
Anyone know how we might all combine our frustrations and pass this message on to these companies through the proper "feedback" channels?
Finally
RE: Finally
RE: Finally
RE: Finally
He's only off by 29 numbers (if you count them as entities, not just simple subtraction).
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RE: Finally
RE: Finally
Goodbye Bluetooth?
Having WiFi built in is nice, but when you are on the road, being able to connect via a cell phone over bluetooth is much nicer IMO. Why should Tungsten owners have to choose between three different network alternatives...
T|T = Bluetooth, PalmOS 5.0, 16MB, slider, Texas Instruments OMAP 1510 (ARM) 144MHz
T|W = GSM/GPRS, PalmOS 4.1.1, 16MB, keyboard, Motorola Dragonball 33MHz
T|C = WiFi, PalmOS 5.2.1, 64MB, keyboard, Intel XScale 400MHz
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
The technology is there and I really can't understand why they didn't integrate Bluetooth into this device.
-sn
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RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
Last I checked, they said that the SD Bluetooth card did not work with the Tungsten T (not that you needed it). That leads me to wonder if it works on OS 5 devices. Of course it might have just been a conflict with the built-in Bluetooth.
I'm disappointed in this area too. Palm has been promising for years that their devices would all have integrated Bluetooth soon. The Tungsten T was one step forward, and since then they've taken about four steps back.
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4343
I do not care so much about having all three included in one device, I could honestly live without GSM/GPRS _IF_ the device also supported Bluetooth.
I am more concerned with Bluetooth being treaded as some sort of 'luxury' option rather than a time honored standard. IrDA is standard with all palm devices, why not Bluetooth as well? From what I have read about Bluetooth, it must 'cost' about the same as IrDA in terns of $$, power consumption and internal real-estate (space). In this case, both the T|C and the new Zire 71 should both have Bluetooth. At one point Hi-Res color was also considered a 'luxury' option, but the Zire 71 now comes with HiRes color.
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
Probably, but this is one of those issues that should've been resolved long before these devices came out.
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
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currently using Palm m125 and waiting for Garmin iQue.
RE: Goodbye Bluetooth?
Tungsten C , could be better .
RE: Tungsten C , could be better .
I have used a m130 with BT card and now I have a T/T. I am suing BT to connect to my T39m mobile when travelling. The main problem is that GPRS roaming is still not working efficiently. What good is BT when I can only use a 9.6 kbps dial-in ??
Thus, I think Palm is quite on time if they now introduce a Wi-Fi Palm. Wireless access points are growing like weed everywhere, and Wi-Fi offers ten times the speed of GPRS !!
If only Palm would offer localized thumbboards for ther T/C...
ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
i have a feeling we won't be seeing one though. it seems more and more with every product release that palm will not release any more devices without some sort of gimmick or wireless technology. the T|T had both--the slider's a gimmick and it has BT, T|W has GPRS, T|C has wi-fi, Zire 71 has a camera (yes the camera is basically a gimmick), and the original zire was, well, a gimmick itself.
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
RE: ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
RE: ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
But still what you gonna do, be patient and wait and then something new is on the horizon and it goes on for ever and ever and ever..
RE: agree
RE: ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
RE: ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
Of course it does. How else will it see you to hunt you down once Skynet becomes sentient and decides to kill all humanity?
RE: ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
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currently using Palm m125 and waiting for Garmin iQue.
RE: ok, where's the one i've been waiting for?
RE: idiots still
Tony
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With great power comes great responsiblity.
RE: idiots still
1 RealOne™ Mobile Player for Palm included. Requires expansion card, sold separately. Headphones are required for stereo sound, not included.
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RE: idiots still
If you go to Palm's site, Zire 71's specs page SPECIFY the hedphone jack as stereo, while the T|C's specs page just says 2.5mm headphone jack.
RE: idiots still
I was talking about that the Zire 71's audio jack is stereo.
Tony
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confusion of 2 new products
The Tungsten C audio jack only has mono sound output, but also includes a microphone input on that jack.
RE: idiots still
RE: idiots still
No doubt a mono-stereo plug can be made, it's just not something you can get off the shelf at Radio Shack (at least none of the plugs I tried on my C worked)
RE: idiots still
- small form factor
- elegant case
- ARM processor
- virtual grafitti
- audio record capability
- stereo output
- bluetooth
- 272 Mb of RAM
- bundled camera for the SD card slot that you can leave at home if you don't need it
- bundled (near) full size keyboard
Well, just buy a Tungsten T add a 256 MB SD card and add the following shareware:
- NewPen
- OKey
- McPhling
The camera deal is ongoing. Staples has also been throwing in the Palm ultra slim folding keyboard.
Just a thought. [:)]
cheers,
Steve
RE: idiots still
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
RE: idiots still
RE: idiots still
1)Ram does not come in anonymous sizes. It is all multiples of 2.
2)POS only supports 128mb RAM.
RE: idiots still
To be precise, memory in most PDAs {and PCs too} (96 mb PPC notwithstanding) is in the quantity of an exponent of 2 - an 8mb PDA has 2^3 mb of ram, and a 128mb has 2^7 mb ...
Generally, quantities that show up earlier in the exponent tree are added to a base exponential value in the devices with odd amounts of memory - in the 96mb PPC above, the value of 2^5, 32, is added to the value of 2^6, 64, to get the value 96.
VG in a nonclamshell would be real nice - but don't expect an m5xx size unit to have VG - the screen's too big to have a usable palm in that size ...
And no Handera/PPC style 3:4 screens! To maintain compatiblilty with preexisting Palm apps, the VG screens must have a pixel ratio of 2:3, like the Sony NR/X/Z units!
RE: idiots still
-B.
...Wherever you go, there you are...
71 audio
RE: idiots still
RE: idiots still
Eric the Red: "Stereo?! Leave it out! *I* am a biznissman and *I* don't listen to stereo!"
Michael Mace: "But...but...but..."
Eric the Red: "And what about my butt, butt, butt?"
RE: idiots still
EE needed
RE: idiots still
other companies who doens't have Zen also apparently violate this law of nature and dare adding built in mic, speaker and stereo plug even.
Seen it in Santa Barbara, CA...
Bluetooth???
RE: Bluetooth???
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
When will Palm released an OS upgrade to the Tungsten T? The Palm OS 5.0 on the Tungsten T is very buggy.
And will Palm release a Tungsten T version with 64MB internal RAM?
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RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
Greetings, Roel.
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
Come on Palm! You've got it on more then a couple PDAs, let us have the upgrade. PLEASE!!
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RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten
Even though the T|T was advertised as having only 4MB in ROM, it's really 8MB. Here was a discussion about it not too long after T|T's launch:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=4490&curpage=9
You might want to scroll down (or run a search on the page) for kleung21's post on Palm's official response to his question about how much ROM is actually in the T|T.
Also, I just checked my T|T with FileZ, and it confirms that I have 8257536 bytes of ROM.
Jim
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten
Try connecting to an access point with Bluetooth, and then say that.
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
Q: "Now that Palm has come out with the 64mb T|C, do you have any plans/timeframe that you will be offering a similar upgrade for us T|T owners? Thanks in advance!"
A: "Hello, Thanks for your interest in our services! We do not upgrade this model. Regards, Tony"
Time will tell.
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Palm III, IIIc, T|T
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
I have the Belkin AP and it connect perfect everytime. There's several threads about this in the Bluetooth discussion forums.
Now trying to get network access through a PC w/ a dongle doesn't work.
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten
I assume you're probably using PPP over a serial profile and not the network access profile.
Sure the Belkin AP works, but if you read the posts it also apparently has crappy range. Yes, some APs work with it, but I've seen posts about others that don't.
RE: Will an OS upgrade finally be available to the Tungsten T?
I am using a Belkin USB dongle on Win98 on my home PC using MochaPPP and except for the occasional crash from MochaPPP, I haven't had any problems. I do wish the range of the dongle was a little bit more (it's a struggle to get access in my bedroom upstairs).
So How Long Before...
RE: So How Long Before...
I only wonder about the palm's radio range.
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RE: So How Long Before...
What I think would be a more useful use of the horsepower is a porting of SAMBA/SMBMount type apps for browsing and mounting to Windows networks. So far we've only got command line tools SMB.
RE: So How Long Before...
Peace Out
Alan
Network Questions?
RE: Network Questions?
RE: Network Questions?
RE: Network Questions?
RE: Network Questions?
camera pics
RE: camera pics
See this review:
http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/rev/av/20030410/104368/
and larger views of sample pictures taken:
http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/rev/av/20030410/104368/06b.jpg
and
http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/rev/av/20030410/104368/07.shtml
-- all together now: EEEEEWWWWW!
RE: camera pics
RE: camera pics
RE: camera pics
RE: camera pics
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/show.php?id=3460&page=3
RE: camera pics
RE: camera pics
Quality is one thing but having such bad focus is another.
RE: camera pics
No, but I was expecting to be at least good enough for Peter Arnett to use at his new job, The Daily Rag. 8^)
Quicktime?!!?
RE: Quicktime?!!?
My two cents worth!
Got Palm? Don't keep it, flaunt it!
RE: Quicktime?!!?
RE: Quicktime?!!?
Got Palm? Don't keep it, flaunt it!
RE: Quicktime?!!?
Got Palm? Don't keep it, flaunt it!
RE: Quicktime?!!?
RE: Quicktime?!!?
As far as video being a novelty, not if you look at actual video performance. From the perspective of someone with both PPC and Palm platforms, my PPC has good audio but struggles with the video. They report the 1910 as being able to run video at 19FPS. A Palm M515 can do anywere from 29 to 52 frames per second depending on the bitrate of the video, and that's on the old 33Mhz Dragonball. The T|T can exceed *200* FPS, and I don't see that being any worse on the Z71 or especially the T|C.
RE: Quicktime?!!?
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it's never going to happen in the US. PPC camera accessory has been a very slow sell for PDA.
even the one with flash and able to record movie isn't a big seller for PPC. I think the Japanese genioC is a slow seller too.
RE: Quicktime?!!?
RE: Quicktime?!!?
If you have tried it, then you'll find out that
a) it takes forever. and
b) really bad quality (at least for my taste and compared to Clie's or PPC)
Palm wants to catch to PPC/Clie, but they seem to drop the ball left and right!
RE: Quicktime?!!?
The conversion process is not that bad... I've converted a few gigs of video. It takes forever with some other video solutions, but Kinoma seems to be amonger the faster in the conversion process. Fortunately, you can drag all your videos to the window for batch processing.
I get opposite results in regards to quality. Not only is playback smoother, but still frames are sharper with more detail. Depends on how the conversion is setup... the defaults are pretty laid back to get the most of space.
RE: Quicktime?!!?
RE: Quicktime?!!?
RE: Quicktime?!!?
-mrhockey
Life may have no meaning. Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove. -- Ashleigh Brilliant
RE: Quicktime?!!?
-mrhockey
Life may have no meaning. Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove. -- Ashleigh Brilliant
RE: Quicktime?!!?
I don't know that it's QT being arrogant -- where the eff does WMP get off being able to play .MOV files?! G-damn metastatic Microsoft software!
So, Pepper
Thank you, Palm Bomb Dropper!
RE: So, Pepper
RE: So, Pepper
...or is it Memorex?!
And there is always somebody who say's "That's obviously Photoshopped!" or "...it looks fake!" every time a pre-release picture surfaces. Makes 'em feel like an expert.
But of one has a taste for gamey fowl, then WTF.
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How about a Case?
Also does anyone know when is the new Wireless SD card is coming? Because I still think Tungsten T is the way to go. Thank you and Good Luck All.
GOD BLESS PALM!
Free 802.11 No More Wires!!!
RE: How about a Case?
SD WiFi cards were supposed to hit retail in march - but have since been posponed for a few months - i think i read they will be released later this summer.
Palm Zure 71 in PC World., Telford, UK
I hadn't read a thing about it - neither did the store asssitant - until i pulled out my M125 and read the specs from the PIC avantgo channel:)
Cost UKP249
cost of T|T UKP269 with free SD camera attachment !!!
RE: Palm Zure 71 in PC World., Telford, UK
RE: Palm Zure 71 in PC World., Telford, UK
Widgit are doing a good deal too, and this was before the new releases. Hope they might reduce them further.
TT with 32mb SD for around £260. BTW mentioned widget a few times on this forum so just want to say I'm not associated, just never heard of them and would like to know if they are good or no, so anybody with experience, let me know.
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currently using Palm m125 and waiting for Garmin iQue.
WOW
The Tungsten C shattered the 16 MB limit and the processor speed is way above what the old Palm would go. I am actually amazed.
The Zire is also in class of its own and offers a lot of features for just 299.
I wonder how Sony feels to have been outdone by palm for the first time. However I would imagine we aren't too far off from their new products.
I of course bought a Tungsten T which I am really happy with. The new C makes me a little jealious but I will be happy once again when my WIFI SD card is finally here.
But its really nice to see this company headed in the right direction, it took a while and an idoit of a CEO but big things are instore for Palm, finally it is living up to its potential.
RE: WOW
RE: WOW
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RE: WOW
Got Palm? Don't keep it, flaunt it!
RE: WOW
And I've just searched through the 7 pages of postings from the 2003 Predictions article and your current handle is nowhere to be found. "Whinne" about that.
RE: WOW
Got Palm? Don't keep it, flaunt it!
RE: WOW
RE: WOW
Yes, that really cracks me up, especially since some of the whining is so constructive.
But it doesn't matter, as many of the "experts" say Palm is doomed, anyway.
I'm going to grab a T|T for posterty.
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RE: WOW
The better a Palm product release is, the more people bitch here. With that, Palm hit one home run (Zire 71) and another out of the park (Tungsten-C) to me.
When you start to pull a Palm economy salary, I'll start to respect your opinions.
RE: WOW
WiFi roaming?!
RE: WiFi roaming?!
So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
- "Business Users" who are all too stupid to use Graffiti, and therefore need a keyboard, and
- "Home User" which is a better version of the house-wife, and those use don't need connectivity, multi-media etc.
Am I the only one, who thinks that this is so wrong?
None of those keyboards work for me because my fingers are too big, and anyhow I need:
- everything that is in the T|C (incl. WiFi, High Memory, Fast Processor), plus
- built-in Bluetooth (or a second SD card slot)
- AND THE T|T FORM FACTOR!!!!
I think that Palm needs to rethink what exactly the needs of their target audience are, before releasing additional products.
And - just a hint - always produce better PDA's then you think they would need.
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
Perhaps Palm did not want to make this uber-device because it would be so good most of us would have no reason to upgrade for many years?
Jon Niola
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Media Vortex, Inc.
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
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RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
and people who say their fingers are too big for thumboards simply haven't tried--unless maybe you're like Yao Ming or something, then you might have a case. i have big hands and i find thumboards very comfortable, and the one on the T|W/T|C is one of the best their is--infinitely better than sony's just because of key shape/feel and placing, and better than treo's because it's roomier.
i'm not living, i'm just killing time.
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
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RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
elo
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
One device does not fit all, and Palm, like many others, is just trying to cover some bases. It costs a ton of money to have 12 different variations of three machines to mix and match features that many want.
And somebody will still whine- "This chair is too hard!"
The fact is that a great many people prefer a thumbboard over Graffiti. And will I don't use one, I find Graffiti inferior to the PPC's handwriting recognition. I hope G2 is an improvment over G.
Watching people send text messages over the phone, and using a RIM, tells me that a keyboard/thumboard is very popular, and can be much faster than any form of handwriting, except for Gregg. Does anybody still use that?
It's all a situation, and sometimes it's about compromise.
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RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
- RIM's are made with a keyboard in mind. They don't require that a stylus is kept handy to make entries.
- Palm's are made for a stylus - not for a keyboard.
And another thing: the RIM is not only a piece of hardware. It also requires that additional software is installed on your corporate email server.
Palm makes nice PDA's, but will ultimately fall short when it comes to provide similar services/functionality as a RIM.
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
The floppy example is bad because floppies originated on PC's, not so IR on PDA's. The primary user base is what sets the timeline of a connection technology.
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
Actually most PalmOS devices other Clies have very usable IR range for this purpose. See chart:
http://www.pacificneotek.com/range.htm
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
I agree completely. I was drooling on my desk and all but ordered the T|C, but stopped cold when I found out about the mono output. One of the big attractions was the super battery and a virtual warehouse of RAM. Catching up on the movie you can't find the time for at home, spending hours and hours of mp3 playback, not having to unload maps after Mapopolis guides me to my destination...
Those daydreams were shot down by a mono plug. Sniff :(
RE: So Palm gives up on the T|T form-factor?
Where is the stylus on the T|C?
The comparisons between the |C and the RIM need only concern the keyboard, given the context.
A *lot* of people like thumboards. Whether software is required on the server or not is irrelevant, again, given the context of the original reference.
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Awe.. man and I thought we were witnessing a blushing romance heheeh ;-D
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kantotmonanaymo ok. i go in peace. :)"
translation, F*** your mom.
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Here's a short list of previous ones:
ska (original)
TawnerX
BlueAnon
~ska~
That's it so far.
Email me, there's such an easy way to identify ska if you want to do it yourself. ABosco1@comcast.net All quiet on the western front, though.
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On the downside...
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RE: On the downside...
Alas, we can still speculate on OS 5.2 for Palm TT...
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RE: On the downside...
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RE: On the downside...
$129
SJ22 reduced from $199->$179->$149 (long-term) making it the lowest of the ends. At this point, monochrome shall die a slow, painful death.
$179
SJ33 reduced from $299->199 due to pressure from Zire71. Sales suffered severely from OS5/PPC competition. Finally pushed to $179 to make room for its successor..
$199
"SJ44" 'New' SJ series body. 200MHz, OS 5.2.1, 320x320 transflective, MP3/Multimedia, MSPro support. This will be the hottest seller of the year.
$249
TG50 dropped from $399->$299 and then ->$249 at the launch of the "SJ66"
$299
"SJ66" A replacement for both SJ33 and TG50. 'New' SJ series body. 200MHz, OS 5.2.1, 320x480 transflective (virtual graffiti), bluetooth, built-in 1.3 Megapixel camera, user-replaceable 1200mAh li-poly battery.
Anyone cares to fill in for the high-end?
RE: On the downside...
>At this point, monochrome shall die a slow, painful death.
While selling zillions of units to people who prefer the affordability and extra long battery life which a monochrome display provides.
RE: On the downside...
You misspelt the original Palm Zire.
RE: On the downside...
That was last year, thanks for playing.
Screen
Are they the same?
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RE: Screen
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RE: Screen
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RE: Screen
While I don't use my V outside often, I can always read it under most ambient light conditions. (The backlight is no fun, though.)
I've got an LG VX4400 phone with a color screen that's virtually impossible to read outdoors or in a car, unless you catch the light right. The B&W screen is just fine, though.
My iPAQ is the same way but not quite so bad.
Is this an either/or situation with the screens? What's the best compromise, without resorting to an IFR hood?
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RE: Screen
I was satisfied with the T|t screen. I don't need a super bright screen. I just want one that works in all conditions.
RE: Screen
No PIC review?
Scott
RE: No PIC review?
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No microphone on the Tungsten C
RE: No microphone on the Tungsten C
Why the seam?
Where is the Tungsten T2?
1. 64MB RAM.
2. OS 5.2.1.
3. Transflective Screen.
4. Built-In Bluetooth AND Wi-Fi.
RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
Jon Niola
President/CEO
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RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
Now I'm in a quandry. Suffer through my disappointment and get the T|T1 now beause I'm tired of waiting, get the Z71 and forget about any wireless, get the T|C and be upset when the T|T2 DOES come out...
Or just keep waiting.
RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
1. 32 mb ram and Intel CPU of the T|W (but cranked down a notch for better battery life)
2. Backlit Graffiti area
3. OS 5.2.x (switchable between Graffiti1 & Graffiti2)
4. Web browser, Versamail etc loaded in ROM like T|C
Palm can honestly keep the built-in wi-fi out of the T|T until the next generation. I don't even use Bluetooth for right now, actually. For me personally, I find that the screen on the T|T is a nice compromise and is usable in basically all environments (outdoors, indoors w/ dim ambient lighting etc).
RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
RE: Where is the Tungsten T2?
Then there'd be less of a need for 64-128MB of RAM, one slot can have as much flash memory as you need, and 32MB would likely be sufficient for the RAM.
Then you wouldn't have to torture yourself over which device to get because you can add whatever RF or Camera type you need to the second slot. Surely the Dana won't be the first and the last PalmOS device with dual SD slots...
scroll wheel
I love the wheel. maybe the 5 direction pad replaces it but ... I want a wheel. Funny how that could make or break my decision (& the fact that I love my clie)
Great device otherwise.
Waiting for sony's response to Palm's wifi & garmin's 320X480 non clamshell pda's ...
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RE: scroll wheel
I realize that cost and space would tend to rule that out, I think there is "room" for both.
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RE: scroll wheel
Scroll wheels may be good for you, but there are a large number of us southpaws that will find a scroll wheel useless. Good for palm for continuing to make a "uni-hand" devices.
RE: scroll wheel
Jim
RE: scroll wheel
RE: scroll wheel
?? They work for lefties too. I'm right handed, my wife's left handed. We both use the HandEra 330's jog dial. In the left hand the thumb operates it. In the right hand, the index finger. Works fine both ways.
"Ahh, but Sony has patented the hell out of the Jog Dial so PalmSG would have to license it"
Naw, Sony has patented the version that rotates 360 degrees. Which is actually my least favorite version of it. I prefer the type found on PocketPC's, the Handspring Treo, and the HandEra 330, where it spring returns to center. Then for long scrolling distances, you just hold it rotated partially up or down, and the pointer keeps moving. There's too much movement required with the Sony jog dial for my taste.
RE: scroll wheel
Yeah, but SONY is a POS licensee. They get free run on a feature for a certain period, then it is run into the OS. Just like hires and VG. The navigator will face this too.
RE: scroll wheel
I have a Sony Clie NR-70V, and I agree with this. I would prefer one that you don't have to continue to scroll. However, any kind of scroll wheel certainly beats not having one! It's really uncomfortable trying to read an e-book one-handed and change pages using the up/down buttons. You have to hold the device at the very bottom (may be a problem with all these new 5-way navigator buttons too...)
RE: scroll wheel
?? I agree with the first sentence I guess but how do you figure there's any benevolent feature feeding back to the community with Sony? High-res came to the platform also through HandEra, in fact the 330 was announced before the N710C, and shipped before it as well. Only the N700 announcement for the Japan only model pre-dated the HandEra announcement, and I don't have a shipping date on it to know if it pre-shipped.
But neither the HandEra nor Sony high-res API made into the OS5 API untoched, it's got concepts from both. And *certainly* virtual graffiti came 2 years ago through the HandEra 330, only more recently as an also-have through Sony. The only other licensee to have VG in an OS5 device (apart from Sony and their own VG API) is Garmin, and I'm not aware that we're able to know what form of API they're using and where it has it's roots from (if not original to Garmin). Same goes with Voice Recording (from HandEra), standard card slots (from HandEra/Trg), swappable lithium-ion packs (from HandEra), separate 12V DC port. I can't think of anything come to think of it, that has come into the OS out the benevolence of Sony, either by hardware example, or cross-licencing or API giveaways. Well maybe sylii that are too short and thin, but we'll stick to desired features... Sony has copied lots (badly implementing their own API's along the way), and they've done some of their own oddball innovation, but none of that has been in the form of something that has filtered back into the platform for use by all licensees. HandEra on the other hand has always been there to help other PalmOS licensees, and now presumably will again concentrate on that full time, as they used to before branding their own PDA's additionally.
New Web Browser
RE: New Web Browser
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Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
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I like it!
Does anybody know if they will ever make 16.7 million colour screens?
Palm m505 User
RE: I like it!
24-bit video is in the future, I'm sure - just not for a while ...
RE: I like it!
If they were certain of selling them all, likely. There's around 20 million monochrome ones out there on PalmOS PDA's. Given the high percentage of PDA's with color screens these days, it's only a matter of time before Palm or Sony has sold that many.
... Oh, you meant color depth, my bad ;-)
RE: I like it!
Twice the memory required to refresh the display, half the battery life... maybe only for the high-end multimedia models (NZ) which include larger batteries.
I got a new Piggy Bank!
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RE: I got a new Piggy Bank!
Just as much horsepower now, only a little ways to go, a bit more RAM, dual slots (with CF), more expansion option drivers, in something around a Dell price...
Actually starting from two years ago with the HE330, to today with the NZ90/T-T/T-C you can get almost all of the typical features on a PocketPC. The sad part is that in the PalmOS platform you can't get them all in the same device. In the PocketPC platform, it's harder not to find them all in the same device.
It be easier to celbrate the diversity, nay insanely diverse extremes, in this platform, if we had solid meat and potatoes general purpose PDA's (aka *full* featured) in the middle.
And that's one of the few things I think our competition has right. Most of the PocketPC's are full featured meat and potatoes devices (dual slot, CF support, huge array of expansion accessories *with driver support*, all with a 240x320 virtual graffiti dispaly, generally with a 12V DC port, all with voice recording and multimedia playback, all with a fast ARM processor, all with a good chunk of RAM-though well needed, many with swappable Lithium packs, etc). Then you can branch out with the ultra thin and light and compromise on one end, or ultra-features (built-in of BT/WiFi/biometrics while still offering dual slots in one single device).
Where are the stable middle devices, the features Enterprises, Industry, and developers, can rely on and build 1,2,3 year business models around?
Sure let's embrace our PalmOS freedom and diversity, but lets also encourage PalmSource to lead and direct firmly, and retreat from chaos in the platform.
RE: I got a new Piggy Bank!
It'll get chew up against product like Dell, toshiba or HP.
RE: I got a new Piggy Bank!
HAHAHAHA!!!
Mike, your insults just get better and better! You've been on fire this week.
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RE: I got a new Piggy Bank!
"...in the end the only one left smiling was the Jester, and his was only painted on..." - TC
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TC
"...in the end the only one left smiling was the Jester, and his was only painted on..." - TC
No Bluetooth?!
RE: No Bluetooth?!
However, perhaps Palm intend to offer an OS update for the current TT and just ship the TT with OS 5.2 (I hope)
That way, those wanting the most compact device possible. i.e. Those that want to carry it everywhere and carry their phone as well would be able to buy a device with the latest OS (v5.2) with the most compact formfactor.
Zuber
Nice
wow, how times have changed...
Ultimate Device
400 mhz Intel CPU
32 mb RAM
320x480 16bit VG screen
T|c form factor
SD expansion
CF slot(possibly)
Huge battery
Jog dial with back button
hold switch
IR port
5 way navigator
Universal port
I would also like it bundled with Kinoma Producer and Documents To Go.
What do you think? Possible?
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RE: Ultimate Device -- AMEN Brother!
But keep the 64MB.
I'd like an integrated flip-cover a la TG50, but I'm not that advanced in photoshop ;-) This is actually my first mod just for fun :-)
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uh.... it's on top! ;-)
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RE: Ultimate Device
http://www.stevebarr.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/barrst/goto.pl?oqo#links
Windows XP, 1GHz Crusoe processor, 10GB hard drive, 256MB RAM, 4" 640x480 touchscreen display, 1394 FireWire, USB, 802.11 and Bluetooth in a 4.9 x 2.9 x 0.9 inch 9 ounce device!
Oh, Brother, Where Are Thou? This thread reminds me of "The Homer"...
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-146/epid-1313/
http://www.grantstoys.com/images/homercar.jpg
RE: Ultimate Device
but I been waiting nearly a year now.
I'd much rather pocket a 20 gig xp machine than a 64 mb palm machine.
1500-1800 is a bit much & more than they wanted a year ago ... may keep going up by time of release.
Wish pda's would catch up. There is way too much of a gap here. At OQO & Tiqit & vulcan & ... you got full pc's with built in wireless everything & ports to everything & 8 hour battery & ...
Then you got the top of the line palm with ... no where near those specs.
Granted I can't buy an OQO yet, but they have them & have demo'd them.
Can't we get maybe an in-between. Maybe a pIII 500 with a 10 gb drive for $750 :)
maybe I'm just dreaming
here's waiting for what sony can come out with in a few weeks
RE: Ultimate Device
Not really. When related to battery size and total system weight, the latest PDA's outperform portable PC's at some tasks already.
PDA's have already come a long way. It seems like it was only a few years back when the most powerful computer in all of Northern California ran at 80 MHz and had 8 MBytes of memory.
RE: Ultimate Device
A bit small, but what do you think?
RE: Ultimate Device
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Here's what *I* Want!! (with photo edit for my own fun)
Here's what I would buy:
Tungsten T|Cv (v for virtual grafitti)
400 MHz
64MB
Wi-Fi (Bluetooth not necessary... get a T|T)
Anyway... this is such a minor modification, I thought I'd make it my first Photoshop mod... *Boy do I suck at this program!* Check it out:
RE: Here's what *I* Want!! (with photo edit for my own fun)
If Palm built this just how many of them would they sell?
You hit the nail on the head...
Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
I only played briefly with the Tungsten C display model at J&R, but it was impressive enough for me to want to buy it. VERY fast compared to my Tungsten T.
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
Is it really noticably faster? Hard to imagine - but i'll take yr word for it:) The T|T already feels instaneous - i have a hard time using PPCs anymore because they feel S-O S-L-U-G-G-I-S-H (not mention that PPC screens actually look really grainy now)compared to T|T - and i'm talking about the new iPAQ 5450. Seriously - not enough has been written about how OS 5 proves the bloatedness of windows ce. Can't wait to see the T|C in action.
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
>Is it really noticably faster?
The raw benchmarks show the T|C CPU to be around 2 to 3 times faster at many tasks compared with the OMAP ARM9 in the T|T (m550). It looks like the 400 MHz Intel PXA255 as used by PalmSG may have fixed some of the performance problems that plagued earlier implementations of PPC XScale systems.
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
> bypassed J&R, rather than walking and stopping in as I
> did yesterday! Do they have a WiFi demo going? I'd
> really like to test the WiFi capabilities. Hey, you!
> Test this: Can you use YMail via the web interface at
> http://mail.yahoo.com ??
They have a WiFi point but it's not set up properly so you can't do any WiFi tests. You may be able to snag a stray access point though. I didn't press the sales guy about it though. mail.yahoo.com works perfectly fine. Most web pages are rendered 90-100% accurate.
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
How fast do pages render? Over at another site (which I will not name), they talk about the sheer frigging *speed* of it. I've tried WiFi on PPCs -- "speed" is not a word you would use with them! Despite the &^%$#@ keyboard, I'm very interested in this baby!
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
WiFi syncing is also exceptionally fast. No doubt it's as fast as USB syncs.
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
OTOH, I don't see what all the raves are about the TC and Z71 screens. I still think the hp 1910 PPC has the best screen.
RE: Just picked mine up from J&R Music World
Palm needs the Tungsten X -- 320x480 screen with built-in WiFi. And *classic* frigging Graffiti. Come to terms with Xerox, dammit!! G2 is going to cost you sales!
Tungsten C
The price seem ok.
would like to have a "Palm tablet" pda larger screen input by writing on the screen
Just out of speculation
2. Anyone care to estimate what the impact of Palm choosing to go with a mono-jack will be? (in my own opinion, I think its going to be huge ... not to be bitter, but I think Palm alienated a huge potential demographic of T|C buyers (specifically the power user) including me ... they were so close ... arrggh ... but I digress...
RE: Just out of speculation
-- more iPod sales for Apple?
RE: Just out of speculation
1. T|C will be a flop. It'll be priced at $399 in 2 months, and $350 after about 4 months. That's about where the price will settle.
2. The impacts? who cares, people already moves on...
RE: Just out of speculation
-- no, Palm users hate *you*. And if it *does* have such a drop in price, Palm owners will be able to say: "Can your *PPC* do that?" Ha! Ha! and Hah! And it will be *Palm* -- not MS -- that will popularize WiFi.
RE: Just out of speculation
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RE: Just out of speculation
I like bits of Palm, I like bits of PPC. I have (altogether now, kiddies!) a lowly mono CLIE S320 and am trying to decide what's Next. I keep whipsawing between PalmOS and PPC -- these two new Palms just made it difficult again.
RE: Just out of speculation
I agree. So close, yet I'm still debating what to do next. Deal breaker for the T|C: mono audio. Deal breaker for the Z71: good but not spectacular battery life, no wireless, lack of RAM. Possible deal breaker for T|T: Ok battery life, lack of RAM.
If there was a work around or a modification for the T|C I would go that way. As it stands, I'm leaning towards the T|T because I like the form factor and design. Of course, if I catch a hint of the T|T2 on the horizon...
RE: Just out of speculation
RE: Just out of speculation
The mono jack killed it for me. I've greatly enjoyed using Pocket Tunes on my T/T, especially when I fly. I won't get the T/C because there's no stereo.
Dennis G. Esler
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m100 ==> m500 ==> T|T
RE: Just out of speculation
do what? play "let's try ripping off customer with under featured product"?
------Ha! Ha! and Hah! And it will be *Palm* -- not MS -- that will popularize WiFi.
yeah just like Palm inc. popularizes SD peripherals and Bluetooth, how impressive. There is no SD/IO card currently running exclusively on Palm. The Toshiba BT and Veo SD are practically a flop and has to be given away.
WiFi on Palm? how exciting, almost as silly as the idea of 'multimedia' on Palm. (say can you do multimedia on WiFi with palm?... not)
And whatever happen to the talk about every Palm model in the future will have wireless capability. (where is that yankersky dude anyway?)
RE: Just out of speculation
RE: Just out of speculation
Streaming video. On my desk. On a lowly Palm Dragonball device. Right now.
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "Multimedia"? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, as I have both PPC and Palm with the cradles side by side, but my opinion of what constitutes multimedia may differ slightly from yours. What is your viewpoint?
RE: Just out of speculation
try again.
multimedia: not just .mp3 and kinoma. (tho' that alone is hard to do consistently across all Palm models already)
RE: Just out of speculation
n : transmission that combine media of communication (text and graphics and sound etc.)
Does not fit your definition, which seems to be "mp3 and mpeg".
Now, everyone here knows that the only valid codec in out universe is from the Motion Picture Entertainment Group. AVI is invalid. MOV is invalid. Divx is not valid. TM is not valid. KP is not valid. Therefore, if anyone has a handheld and they are watcing moving pictures, it is not real unless the file has an mpg or mpeg file extension.
It is painfully clear that you have never even used a Palm, let alone owned one.
Lets see now, the list of PPC devices which can do full motion video in ANY format at greater than 100Fps includes: ___________
Short list, huh?
RE: Just out of speculation
-- maybe so, but who *wants* >100fps?! You're talking TB (terrabytes, not the lung ailment!) for movies!
RE: Just out of speculation
come on mister video engineer, you know very well what's the difference between .mpeg fps and cinepak fps.
RE: Just out of speculation
virtual graffiti vs Jot or G2
two questions
1.
I guess I really dont understand what Virtual graffiti is, so can someone please explain,
2.
Can I load jot onto the TT, or do I have to wait for a 5.2 device with G2.
Also as a side note. I teach palm classes to real estate professionals,it's alot of fun making people more productive. i tell them all to check out PIC because I feel it is the best source of info on all things palm.
I really appreciate the excellent info the regular posters provide.
Always readin' seldom postin'....
Training sales and real estate professionals on effective palm use!
RE: virtual graffiti vs Jot or G2
Nino 310, Nino 319, Nino 510, (saw the light), IIIxe, IIIc, M105, Vx, M505, Tungsten T
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http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/71vg.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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Does the Tungsten C come with bluetooth?
TC has wifi (which i dont really need all too much anyways..)
TC has transflective screen and thumbard
guess i could get a TC+bluetooth card.. that sucks though.
RE: Does the Tungsten C come with bluetooth?
Just give me "The Connected Palm"
1. GPRS/GSM
2. WiFi
3. Bluetooth
1 & 2 would be nice. WiFi default, switchable to GPRS when not available.
Oh, and have it ARM-based. Why the heck is the Tungsten W still using Dragonball?
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Photo + Addressbook integration / barcode interpreter?
The second killer app, would be for someone to figure out a barcode interpreter. I've seen it done with those Korean CDMA 2000 / EVDO cellphones with cameras built in. You take a picture of a barcode in a catalog and then it goes ahead and brings up an order page. Gimmicky now, but a lot of potential... imagine reading about a conference in Wired magazine, then pointing your Zire71 (or decendant of it) at a code patch on the page and have it drop a calendar event as well as a todo item with the URL?
This can be what that silly "cue cat" never could be.
RE: Photo + Addressbook integration / barcode interpreter?
RE: Photo + Addressbook integration / barcode interpreter?
I just took a photo of my coffee cup from about 3" away and it looked great.
A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.
RE: Photo + Addressbook integration / barcode interpreter?
RE: Photo + Addressbook integration / barcode interpreter?
Like on Sony Clie's you mean. Don't think it's in the ROM, but nothing stopping a 3rd party addressbook replacement from doing it.
"The second killer app, would be for someone to figure out a barcode interpreter... This can be what that silly "cue cat" never could be."
Maybe so. barcoding is certainly handy, albeit expensive currently. I use a module in the CF slot of my PDA for that, and it's very useful. An image interpreter app is an interesting approach of getting that a cheaper process. It's about the first thing anyone's mentioned that makes a built in camera seem useful to me.
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Tungsten C - Mono or Stereo
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the biggest SD help, but no pro audio recording is going to use an equipment like T|C.
It's Palm Inc botching the model by trying to cut corners, the usual Zen thing to do. There is no fancy explanation like "high quality audio recording"
RE: Tungsten C - Mono or Stereo
RE: Tungsten C - Mono or Stereo
well certainly not pro quality, but certainly much much better than the TT built-in mike. Maybe good enough for some of the IBM voice recognition software. And (near) lossless compression over IP can handle a lot more data than any SD card.
RE: Tungsten C - Mono or Stereo
Information on the Headphone Jack on your Palm™ Tungsten™ C handheld
The headphone jack in your Palm™ Tungsten™ C handheld is a 2.5mm mono headphone jack. Mono means one channel of sound. Stereo sound consists of two channels (left and right). In order to hear sound from both speakers in mono sound you must purchase a compatible 2.5mm mono to stereo adapter.
RE: Tungsten C - Mono or Stereo
http://www.palm.com/products/family.epl#footnotes shows that the Headphone jack is Stereo. What's up?
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you know how it goes mike. :D
From Compusa only $9,999.99
RE: From Compusa only $9,999.99
Universal Connector, really universal??
Will the Z71 make use of my Xircom WLAN sleed??
If it does I've find the perfect palm to replace my m130, of course when I get the cash.
Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.
RE: Universal Connector, really universal??
RE: Universal Connector, really universal??
Being able to connect is only half of the battle too -- you also need to have software support for the device. Due to massive internals changes from OS 4 to OS 5, you now have a situation where a device may connect, but there is no software support. It may not even be possible to write an appropriate driver in OS 5, at least without the help of PalmSource or a licensee.
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Ben Combee, CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Universal Connector, really universal??
RE: Universal Connector, really universal??
By the way what is your experience with Palm warranty, my m130 went bad, and has been in service since October, to date, that Palm have traveled more then me in my entire life. Suposedly I'll receive it back this week. Almost 6 mont later!!!! But if the service is that bad, I'll skip Palm ang go for a Kyocera 7135, if I find one here, even if I have to trash all my accesories.
Thanks to everybody in advance, and excuse my spelling/grammar.
Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.
RE: Universal Connector, really universal??
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WiFi range
I just went to compusa. Had a HELPFUL salesperson that actually cared to supply a floor model. Opened a new box & plugged it in. Turned the Tungsten C on. Tapped the screen in the 3 x's it presents you withat the beginning. The next screen had a wifi button, clicked it, it searched for networks, found the linksys at the borders next door through the brick wall way more than 50 feet away connected & went great! It was a little slow but the fact that it connected to a wireless network that far away with everything else that could have messed this up was really cool!
Way to EASY to setup wifi. My 4 year old could've figured out how.
I love sony but ... way to go palm!
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RE: WiFi range
I'd say that the rumors of "short range" are exaggerated.
Quick questions for Admin.
Do the same formatting macros in the forums work on the Story discussion?
Thanks.
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VOIP on T|C?
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Will need QoS on AP to support VOIP over WiFi.
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Zire 71 : perfect photoblogger
Is there a board somewhere where we can post shareware wishlists?
B
*sigh*.. So close..
Guess I'll keep dreaming...
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RE: *sigh*.. So close..
Tungsten C impressions
I think the hardware is pretty close to everything I want.
The WIFI works great. No problems accessing the net from anywhere in my house and very easy to setup. The screen is gorgeous, the battery lasts a long time, and I like the thumbpad. I don't really care about mp3's so the mono headphone jack doesn't bother me.
However, I'm thinking of returning it because I find it almost impossible to surf the web on such a small screen. The web browser is pretty nice and I'm able to goto almost any site I want, but the screen is just too small to make surfing fun. What the web software really needs is the ability to scale up to 640x640 resolution or something close to that. 320x320 is just too small. I also don't care for the fact that it doesn't support popups, meaning if I click on a link that opens another window, it doesn't work.
Dave
RE: Tungsten C impressions
Anyone know what the included flip cover is like? Is it similar to the see-through plastic versions that came with the T and W (I think)?
What are your thoughts on using the C one-handed?
RE: Tungsten C impressions
I've been using it with 2 hands. I don't think you exclusively use it with one hand.
The address book has a one handed look up feature though that uses the joypad.
dave
RE: Tungsten C impressions
-- do you still have it? What happens if you go to http://www.treocentral.com, scroll down to Links (lower right side of screen), click on Links, and then click on the links on that next page? Each link is suppose to open in a new window -- does it on the TungC?
RE: Tungsten C impressions
Here's a review of netfront 3.0 for the PPC from geek.com. It basically has everything I want in a browser: tabbed browing, scale to fit, and wraparound content. Since the palm web browser is based on a version of netfront, I'm hoping Palm will incorporate these features in the next release. Hopefully soon.
Dave
RE: Tungsten C impressions
Too bad about the window issue...
Have fun with these:
http://www.palmzone.net/mobile/mobileweb.htm
http://www.cantoni.org/palm/links.html
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~blumax/plinkit/fulllist.html
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RE: Tungsten C impressions
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What I like about the C: it has speed, its capacity, I can play moves, and play old songs and it synchs fast and doesnt hang during the synch. The screen is great.
What I dont like about the C:
I have tried three different hot synch cradles and it wobbles on all of them, and if I touch it during a synch it can abort the hot sync.
The getting rid of the reserved graffiti area is a disaster, not only because grafitti 2 uses timing to decide if you are typing OR selecting text, but also it lost the soft buttons, for example the calculator. Often when typing text, if I am too slow it stops being in text mode and assumes I want to block select text, and if I dont catch it, my next stroke deletes the selected data. Even using TEALSCRIPT doesnt solve that problem. TEALSCRIPT is better in that I can use grafitti-1, but it still has the timing problem.
I find the next rown from the bottom up, of hard buttons, poorly designed.
And HOME being on the far right of that 2nd row when it was top left of the soft buttons is a constant problem for me. Remember I also have graffiti-1 phone/pda.
The keyboard is a pain, I am used to the two way pager from motorola, its miniature keyboard is usable, teh palm one I only use when I am totally frustrated with grafitt-2 and trying to enter a special character. Of course, finding special characters opn that keyboard is not easy either.
Since I need glasses to read, the keyboard is useless to me without my glasses.
On the calendar. scrolling through the days is not compatible with earlier palms. Left and right toggle works, but up/down does not move the day, whereas that was the norm on earlier palms.
Overall impression: the Tungsten C is an amazing performer with poor ergonomics. I didn't get the other Tungsten with the sliding cover that covers the grafitti area because I was worried it wouldnt last. I would rather have that than the abortion graffiti-2 is when accompanied by the is-it-text-or-is-it-block-select-mode timing issue. At least offer me graffiti-1 as an option and some other method of telling it when I am block select mode. Lots of incompatible changes, too many for me.
Simon
RE: Tungsten C impressions
I had to bring my TungC to the shop cos it would just crash and never wake up...
On my second TungC, I didn't install any software and I am doing fine. I think the AvantGo soft was a beta when I charged it, is it working now?
Also, di I dream or did I see somewhere I could Sych using WiFi?
cheers
Zire 71 is THICK. :(
After you put it in a case, which you have to since the screen isn't covered, it's going to go from 0.7 to at least 0.9 inches thick. That's a show stopper for me, unfortunately.
They probably should have lost the camera. Losing the slider should have shaved off 0.2 inches easily, and made a flip-cover possible.
Aside from that, I didn't really care for the joystick, but it probably wouldn't have been a show-stopper. I do prefer the pad on the Tungstens.
Unfortunately, the display model was out of power, so I couldn't see the screen or OS. If it's a better screen than the TT, it must be nice indeed.
Jon Acheson
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
Flash for Zire 71?
RE: Flash for Zire 71?
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Gave up on Palm but I'm back now baby!!!
Love the screen, one of the reasons I was holding back on the IIIc and m515. I haven't played with the camera extensivly but looks good so far. Hate G2 and Xerox but I think I'll survive with G2. G2 is much better than the thumb-board. I had a BlackBerry for a while and I'm much more productive with Graffitti. We also had a lot of thumb wheels go bad so I think the Z71 format is better.
RE: Gave up on Palm but I'm back now baby!!!
noisy digitizer?
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Zire 71 Voice recorder ??
Calculator button on Tungsten C?
The SkyTraveler
POS 5.2 STILL lacks...
Jeff Kirvin reviews the Zire 71
When Will We See A T|T OS Upgrade?
Considering the MASSIVE list of bug-fixes contained in 5.2, which you can read at:
http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/palmos50/os52overview.html
I don't think it's much to ask that Palm release an update ASAP, simply for usability. Any thoughts anyone? Does anyone know how they have released OS updates historically? How long after a product with the new OS, etc?
-nullmodem
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