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RE: Maybe not Oracle
I'd say palmOne has a start on that with their web ads of the T3 doing spreadsheets to emphasize the larger screen. Now they (and other licensees) need to bring more of that to Joe Public's attention, not just techies.
RE: Maybe not Oracle
RE: Maybe not Oracle
Oh, and ... read my other comments.
Chess or Chyes
Palm Cow loves it.
CHYES! kevin707s@mchsi.com
RE: Maybe not Oracle
And what would distinguish their PPC from other PPCs, other than that? Toshiba is already to PPC OS what Sony has been to Palm OS.
RE: Maybe not Oracle
RE: Maybe not Oracle
something like 2/3 of Palm's total sales.
Cheers,
Jejoma
2003 - 3 of 11
~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: 2003 - 3 of 11
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RE: 2003 - 3 of 11
Who said they have to jump ship? Samsung has both Palm OS and PPC devices.
Delayed publication
Unknown to me, he had already taken off for the holiday.
It appears now, late, exactly as originally written.
I've yet to see the predictions of others (I've been offline myself since Wednesday), so if there is any duplication, it is entirely coincidental.
I held off publishing mine this year because last year, suspiciously, everyone published theirs (including people who had *never* done any *before* -- I'll not name any sites...) after I did mine. I wanted to play chicken with everyone else.
So much for *that* gamble...
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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com
RE: Delayed publication
More cool predictions, let's see what happens!
RE: Delayed publication
I held off publishing mine this year because last year, suspiciously, everyone published theirs (including people who had *never* done any *before* -- I'll not name any sites...) after I did mine. I wanted to play chicken with everyone else.
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so many of your past predictions came true, i can see why people would want to steal your ideas. i'm using the palm version of microsoft reader and calligrapher on the fujitsu palm now. ::rolls eyes::
you didn't get hardly any thing right. every one copied you but some how did better?
who are you and why should i care what your opinions are? how long have you worked in the pda industry?
We're the people we've been waiting for
CORRECTION!
When I typed the above message, I hadn't proofed it. The point of my original message was to state that although it was published late, I had *not* seen other's predictions and gone back to change my own. (I have since read another site's predictions and see they are saying tiny HDs will be in PDAs -- something I said *last year*!)
Several paragraphs are in fact MANGLED and I've emailed Ryan to find out WTF happened. Specifically, predictions 3 and 4.
Geez, did 3 and 4 make *sense* to you people?!!?
RE: Delayed publication
Sucker!
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When Foo Fighter first said Sony would quit Palm OS, I
laughed. And I continued to laugh until I saw Sony's TJ series. They look like the beginning of a retreat from Palm OS. I expect 2004 to mark the death of the CLIE in favor of the handheld
PlayStation (with "Play OS"?).
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RE: Delayed publication
RE: Delayed publication
Every time I see a cool article by you it's completely offset by the way you handle the comments.
If you are going to be a dude, be a dude, not one of the rabble.
Unmangled paragraphs
Here are the UNMANGLED paragraphs with the links forcibly embedded...
3) Sony Cuts Back
When Foo Fighter
first said Sony would quit Palm OS, I laughed. And I continued to laugh
until I saw Sony's TJ series. They look like the beginning of a retreat from Palm OS. I expect 2004 to mark the death of the CLIE in favor of the handheld
PlayStation
(with "Play OS"?).
4) palmOne Does Infomercials
Before Larry Ellison takes out his wallet to buy The
Two Palms, palmOne will start an infomercial blitz on
cable and late-night broadcast TV. In an effort to
sell higher-end units to the general public, palmOne
will go all-out to show the kinds of things its PDAs
can do. And also why everyone should have a Treo
instead of an ordinary cellphone.
(Microsoft will follow suit -- but only for its atrocious
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6355
Smurfphone,
leaving Pocket PC users frustrated [as usual!].)
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I have since read another site's predictions and see they are saying tiny HDs will be in PDAs -- something I said *last year*!)
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you said they would be in pdas during 2003. you were wrong, they aren't. if they are in a pda this year, that other site will be right, cause that's what they said. (you will still be wrong, you got the wrong year.)
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RE: Delayed publication
Just because the baby didn't come 9 months on the dot, does that mean it's not coming at all?
RE: Delayed predictions
mikecane said:
Late in 2002, when ARMed/BeOSed Palms start to appear, Sony will introduce the first Palm OS PDA with a built-in hard drive.
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when you make predictions for 2002 that don't come true in 2002, then you're predictions are wrong.
if you had predicted the florida marlins would win the world series in 2002, you wou be wrong, even though they won in 2003.
if your predictions are meant to last forever, say that. "some day there will be a pda with a mini hd." If you say its going to happen in 2002, you don't get to say you were right if it happens in 2004.
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Copyright © 2004
by Mike Cane.
All Rights Reserved.
That was my favorite part of the whole article.
UZI4U182@suscom.net
Main PDA: NX70v + WL100
http://clieflash.shorturl.com
Not a chance!
#1 - Oracle? No way; who else is out there? Apple? Nope. When was the last time they used technology that wasn't their own? So who could gobble up PalmSource and/or PalmOne? Could it be *gasp* Sony? It is SONY that has the biggest goal of world domination, and it puts Microsoft, Oracle, and Apple's world reign plans to shame. But I wouldn't bet any of them touch PalmOne or PalmSource. Not this year, at least.
#2 - Zire 21 is the last greyscale PDA we'll see. 320x320 color plus OS 5 ARM for $100 will be snatched up by consumers.
#3 - If the OLED rumor is true, Sony could EXPLODE with manufacturing handhelds. They could have a very defined segment where the Clie and PSP could co-exist. 2003 was a terrible year for Sony, starting with the NZ90. They just went in the wrong direction, and they'll correct it this year.
#4 - I don't think informercials, but all the companies (including PPC) will do a good amount of advertising. The OEM's and software companies will finally understand why PDA sales are in a steady decline - not many people know what can be done with them. Bring aboard some good software developers, license and create some good technologies, advertise in magazines and electronic shops, and watch your sales go way up. I can't believe this hasn't been done earlier.
#5 - If OS 6 really does have the ability to adjust software according to the device's screen specifications and other factors like memory heap and processor speed, then you better believe many companies will use VGA. If PalmSource drops the ball, we'll be looking at HVGA for a long time.
#6 - Textmaker for Palm OS. I don't know if that's really a prediction, but it'll come true. It'll face fierce competition from Docs To Go being bundled with many PalmOne handhelds, and users may not see a reason to upgrade. Softmaker will see weaker sales in the Palm OS side, and come out with PPC versions first in future releases, with Palm OS versions far behind. Zealots will use this argument like the old, "Can I play Quake on that?"
#7 - Opera? Sorry, your fantasy won't come true. Start a petition, show there's people willing to buy, and then you might get them interested. At the moment, NetFront reigns and is officially licensed by PalmSource. Give them a good reason to try to join.
#8 - Decuma won't want to, but PalmOne will license the technology alongside Sony. Both will use the soft graffiti area and come bundled with all handhelds. PPC users will claim superiority because they can write in cursive (nevermind the fact that they have to delete a ton after misinterpreted words!).
#9 - Fuel cells still won't be here. In the beginning of 2005 we'll see them, but not now.
#10 - Nope, all PDA's will still be dumb. Maybe in five years this will be a reality.
From reading these predictions and those at BrightHand, you guys both went conservative.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
Hey, if they have versions of their browser for four smartphone families...
(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)
RE: Not a chance!
Mac OS X, Apple's most important product, was not written by Apple. Neither was the iPod's OS. Nor was iTunes. Or Final Cut Pro, Shake, Logic, or WebObjects. (Going back further, they didn't write Emailer either.) Apple bought all of those from third parties after they had been written.
Mac OS X's BSD subsystem of course wasn't written at Apple or at NeXT, and Safari's HTML engine wasn't written at Apple either.
And of course, they didn't invent the mouse or the GUI, though they were the first to make those things usable.
As far as hardware goes, Apple popularized USB but didn't invent it. I'm pretty sure they didn't invent 802.11b, which they also popularized.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Apple bought any company so that they could use the company's hardware or software.
But Steve Jobs did say that he wasn't interested in PDAs, so I would be surprised if Apple bought PalmOne or PalmTwo.
My bet is on Disney buying them.
RE: Not a chance!
I mixed myself up.. I wanted to mean, "When was the last time they licensed a technology," but this didn't apply because we are discussing who could buy either Palm company. My fault.
But honestly, when was the last time they licensed a technology and paid royalties for it?
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
Isn't OS X simply based on NeXT OS? If so, that hardly counts as an acquisition (unless the other way around: NeXT actually bought *Apple*). I knew about the iPod OS, but not the others. Those are very surprising to me (but I've been out of the Mac loop for a long time).
RE: Not a chance!
Steve Jobs said that they don't want to enter the PDA market because they don't see it going anywhere. They see smart phones as replacing PDAs, and Steve (wrongly, IMHO) said that there are enough phone companies. I really wish Apple would release a smart phone, but I don't see any reason why they'd have to use Palm OS to do it.
"But honestly, when was the last time they licensed a technology and paid royalties for it?"
I assume they have to pay something for USB and 802.11. They co-invented FireWire, so I imagine they don't have to pay for that. But those are pretty small things and I assume you are talking about bigger things like operating systems.
Apple licensed BSD and KHTML, but since those are free, they didn't have to pay any money. But they still license them in that Apple doesn't gain an advantage by being the only company that can use them.
(Interestingly and a little bit relatedly, IIRC Apple bought Toshiba's entire supply of 1.8" HDs for the iPod, which is why it took so long for iPod competitors to arrive.)
RE: Not a chance!
-OS 6.0 is slightly late and it's a dog. It's crash happy, slow, and has massive incompatibilities. POS gets the bad rap for releasing unpolished product. OS 6.0, just like OS 5.0, again fails to reverse Palm loosing trend.
-PPC rules everything above $199. Palm belows it. It will only change slightly after Palm releases a second OS6.0 model that fix the glitch in the later part of the year. (similar to T|T -> T|T3 in 2003)
-unlike 2003 where the action are in low end models, 2004 will see actions in all price range. Vendor will experiments will far wider form factor, design and features.
-Palm fumbles with BT/WiFi yet again, specially with applications.
-Palm is out from any high end models until late next year when Sony returns with a high end snazzy model with video/TV and new screen. Majority of Palm's sale will be T|E, Zire, and some new low end model.
-2004 is the year of screen and wireless.
-MS finally gain meaningfull marketshare in phone market. Treo 600 dies a sad and pathetic death by summer. cheap treo shows up, PPC PE finally gains market, MS smartphones continues runaway sell closing in to Symbian. Dell dips their toe on wireless handheld with a GoodTech. clone.
-First mass market ultra expensive communicator costing $1200 shows up for Christmas 2004, heralding the new dawn of wireless handheld golden age. It runs either UIQ or PPCPE.
-Sony PSP shows up, tough battle at first but scares the hell out of any handheld maker in the market. Zodiac dies. PPC becomes a legit gaming platform when directX for handheld is released
-Toward the end of the year there will be handhelds with TV reciever, GPS reciver, and multi MP digicam. Also: Intel Bulverde, 128MB+, dual wireless, USB2go
RE: Not a chance!
T-minus three years until Windows Mobile becomes totally neglected by Microsoft. There's a good prediction.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
just because my predictions have higher chance of being right than your blurb is no reason to get all pissy on me. (did you say Sony will be #1? hah.)
and yes 2k4 will live up to its hype, while OS 6.0...ehrrr. crash ...bomb... flop...kaboom...a thud.
PS. msmobile? eh?
RE: Not a chance!
Forget just the wizard Bosco, WINDOWS does not work properly on the desktop! But it has the same effect on me; if something does not work properly, crashes on a regular basis, freaks out unexpectedly, gives "Explorer needs to close" messages while it dumps your work, needs constant patches because it lives with the OS guts exposed to the internet... well, I'd hesitate to have Windows on my handheld too.
But, they can still play MPEG files without conversion, exception for the conversion to get "PPC friendly" files which no one will admit is a conversion in the first place ;)
RE: Not a chance!
It's official for our corporation of 13,000. For 2004, PPC has been rejected and is unsupported by our IS department. However, Palm is supported and endorsed by IS, and staff members can order Palms directly through purchasing. The Palm desktop software is available on our servers 24x7. I just thought it was a little odd that this stance would be taken by a Microsoft-dominated shop such as ours.
PS: I'm usually more platform agnostic than this, but SKA brings out this kind of stuff :)
RE: Not a chance!
we'll see how your IS evaluates OS 6.0.
RE: Not a chance!
You're betting superiority due to a future version of ACTIVESYNC??? Oh man, that is possibly the worst part of using a PPC - that damned software.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN GUEST!! THERE'S ONLY ONE USER!!
Seriously, though. Activesync pales in comparison to Hotsync's ease of use and reliability. Hell, even the MVP's know it. It's on version 3.7, and it still has the same rehashed problems. So what if it'll be bundled in Longhorn? That's not out for TWO YEARS!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
>>Forget just the wizard Bosco, WINDOWS does not work properly on the desktop!
Classic!!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
RE: Not a chance!
Have you SEEN OS 6 ... or are you having flashbacks to the original Palm-Size PC?
RE: Not a chance!
And ActiveSync DOES??? Ska, what kinds of features are you talking about? Automatic wireless recognition and sync? First, Microsoft needs to concentrate on it working properly with its current feature set, THEN they can implement more features.
And I hope you know there's actually third party software that lets you hotsync at intervals. ActiveSync could actually be useful if it didn't suck so much. I'll continue to bash that piece of junk until, A) they fix it, and B) you stop saying it'll be a Godsent in Longhorn and realize that if they havent fixed it in version 3.7 and all previous patches, they're not GOING to fix it.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN GUEST?!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
Yes Bosco, it does. It will be integrated into the next version of OS, the Longhorn.
RE: Not a chance!
The word "educated" should never be mentioned in your proximity. Unless speaking of others who have the misfortune to be near you at the time...
RE: Not a chance!
Wow, that's lame. If you're claiming superiority because it'll be included in Longhorn (2005!), then you're even DUMBER than I've been thinking all these years!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Not a chance!
Apart from sending the golden master to the licencees also announce a working OS6 Simulator (so every on can try it) or even better invite some people (PIC?) to try some real os6 samples and let them spread the sensation!
RE: Not a chance!
Ha! Thanks for the laugh abosco.
Well it's about time!
I think a little advertising is what these companies need to show the public how useful PDA's are.
(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)
RE: Well it's about time!
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Sean
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.
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As for Mike, I have no idea what he has against me, he's never explained why he got angry and left my Yahoo Group. I have to agree, though, that his frequent random and seemingly irrational attacks don't help his credibility.
JK
RE: Well it's about time!
Don't read. If you can to begin with.
RE: Well it's about time!
well is not like you are terribly consistent yourself. So let's not be too judgemental eh? At least mike cane is straight up and humorous, instead of pretentious.
RE: Well it's about time!
re: pretentious: Care to elaborate? Cite specific examples. I call it like I see it, and if you don't agree with me, that's simply not my problem.
RE: Well it's about time!
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column010430.htm
Cost consideration
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column000918.htm
The fundamental point of PPC advantage has not changed yet.
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column011001.htm
Cleartype is good for e-text reading
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column011231.htm
Options are good for input.
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column020415.htm
list of category that PDA are graded on
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column020610.htm
The perfect writer PDA
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/ThePerfectWritersPDA.htm
cheap PPC
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/ThePerfectWritersPDA.htm
Overall, you clearly define what criteria a PDA should satisfy to fit 'YOUR' need. Namely "Software title", "price", 'your wordprocessing need', 'various specific system features and convinient you have written'
You were yakking about how Wordsmith is so much superior to pWord for a good long time and decide that is Palm key feature. I am sorry but if you want to be consistent, you have to keep yakking about PPC/textmaker combo until better solution exist in Palm. Z71 ain't it.
Regarding your last article? Le't just say you'll have great difficulties defending these paragraph:
'With very few exceptions, Pocket PC users can now find PalmOS alternatives for everything they do on the Pocket PC, and switching to the Palm camp isn't the downgrade it used to be. More to the point, many Pocket PC users may find that life is easier on the Palm side of the fence. If you haven't used a Palm in a couple years, try one out and see if it feels right. You might be surprised.'
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column031229.htm
Of course you you are going to use artistic license to waffle around 'I didn't say that' or, no no, you got it alll wrong.
well, let's put it this way. Benchmark and tabulated list of features doesn't budge. Palm units does NOT have the software, the price, and the hardware features based on what you have written over time.
You don't want to be pretentious? put disclaimer at the end of your writing indicating you really dont' follow your own criteria, and reader should NOT take your advice as if you know what you are doing. But hey... we all got opinion right?
RE: Well it's about time!
As for me vs. Jeff, that's our business, not yours.
RE: Well it's about time!
Is there a new Wordsmith version that suddenly doing better job than textmaker? or QE/DTG? if so I sure miss the announcement.
as for softwares, we are not talking about nit picking feature here, but big gaps of features and price. No wonder he nevers go beyond auto tracking apps or let's make a list apps. That's what organizer is about, go buy $99 zire. But $200 bucks+ handhelds? I think not...
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mikecane @ 1/6/2004 3:58:14 PM
All this Holier Than Thou crap from some idiot who STILL won't admit that PPC's alarms are UNFREAKINRELIABLE!
RE: Well it's about time!
Courante @ 1/6/2004 6:49:30 PM
It's fixed mister cane. duh. time to find new PPC fault."
Fixed? How so. The last time I saw something about this issue that had some substance to it was in this brighthand thread:
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?threadid=97345
Here is a key excerpt:
HP Tech to PATRICKJEF
" this (the alarm situation) has been escalated to Microsoft. What is happening has to do with the "housekeeping" that occurs at midnight. The Operating System comes on for 15 seconds at or around midnight , as you know, to perform housekeeping duties. Within those responsibilities is the packing of the alarm database file, dbnotify. Unfortunately, 15 seconds is not long enough for all of this to happen. On top of this, every time a soft reset is performed, the size of the Dbnotify file, doubles. Hence, the 15 seconds grows shorter and shorter as there is more to do and less time to get it done. This time will be increased in the following release to 1 minute."
The missed alarm "feature" is hardwired into the OS. It has not been fixed although I think I've read about a half dozen patches including the one in the above brighthand thread.
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Perfect PDA
I predict that Palm will add virtual grafitti and 32 meg of RAM to the TE so it competes with the value of the HP 1935....na won't happen and I won't buy one.
I predict that Palm will bring the Zire 71 up to 64 meg and match the 1 megapixel swivel camera and other features of the Sony NX....na won't happen and I won't buy one.
Look, Palm Sony, HP et al. All I wanted is a model with both SD and CF slots, lots of memory, nice hi-res screen, camera and a decent price. Oh, and for the love of all that is holy a flip lid like the one on the $19.95 "PDA" on the counter at WalMarts! It doesn't take a prophet to predict what users want and what would sell. The mystery every year is why oh why doesn't anyone make it.
RE: Perfect PDA
Flip lid: do you mean the plastic flip-up style like the old III series, or the leather/pleather flip attached to the left side like the M5xx series? I never noticed the ones at Walmart, it's not the kind of place I'd be looking for a handheld.
RE: Perfect PDA
> It doesn't take a prophet to predict what users want and what would sell. The mystery every year is why oh why doesn't anyone make it.
You're right. People want everything and more, and want it to cost less than nothing. Thy mystery is to figure out something which a large fraction of a million people are willing to pay enough for that the product can be manufactured and sold at healthy profit margins with low risk, and to get it to market before it becomes obsolete. Can you do that?
RE: Perfect PDA
PPC does this. They have three compacts and three standards. The compacts all have sd, the standards have sd and cf. They are selling better than the Palms and Sonys that these days offer every oddball configuration imaginable, but no standard one. It is not rocket science marketing. It is what defines a mature market and the PDA market is long past due for maturity.
I greatly prefer the Palm OS over PPC, but I am not buying either in 2004 unless they offer one with a simple standard design for a reasonable price, like they did with the Palm III/V generation and as the PPC OEMs do now.
RE: Perfect PDA
Hell yes to CF! I want it too!
>>>The mystery every year is why oh why doesn't anyone make it.
Well, Yankowski was too busy instructing his tailor how to embed the gold threads in his IPO suit ... when he wasn't having wet dreams over that huge Corp HQ building that never came about.
God knows what the hell they are all doing now ...
RE: Perfect PDA
I thought you said you didn't like CF?
2003 Predictions:
"How odd that a (look at how bulky it is!) Compact (bulky!) Flash slot shows up in the NX (and before that, in a Japan-only sled for the T). This is a toe dipped into the wrong pond, upsetting the calm waters of potential buyers."
Man.. you change your mind more often than an ADHD child!
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Perfect PDA
Highly anticipated?
Highly anticipated? Really?
Personally, I think Mike's predictions should be published on April 1st of each year.
Scott
http://Tapland.com
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RE: Highly anticipated?
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mike - really, i dont think many people really give a crap about what you have to say; who made you the 'guy who knows everything'? you have absolutely nothing to make you credible. give it up. if anyone, ryan would have a better clue as to what is coming in the future than you - i would prefer to see what ryan thinks.
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php
RE: Highly anticipated?
Ditto.
Scott
http://Tapland.com
- Tapwave Zodiac News, Reviews, & Discussion -
RE: Highly anticipated?
I'll say this - it's better than Brighthand's predictions (if you can really call them predictions).
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Highly anticipated?
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My blog: www.pocketfactory.com
RE: Highly anticipated?
Hey, Ugly Truth, where are you now?
RE: Highly anticipated?
Ska, Kirvin, Cane etc. trading punches in the same thread is just classic stuff! I say keep it coming baby!
RE: Highly anticipated?
bah.. bollocks.
i could bet i have more credibility in regards to being able to understand the handheld market and predicting what can be done and what cannot be done; mostly because
a) i am involved in it every day (my job)
b) i am a developer, with a clue
c) i am a developer who has very strong seeding access.
at least i uphold to keeping my mouth shut about NDA's - otherwise i could have blurted everywhere information like the Tapwave Zodiac weeks after it was thought up :) *sigh* - those were the days.
but, speculation is good.. just dont cry when it doesn't happen :) be real.
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php
RE: Highly anticipated?
Rust never sleeps, either.
>>>c) i am a developer who has very strong seeding access.
Yawn. If it wasn't for that, what would you really have?
RE: Highly anticipated?
aw... is someone upset that OS6 hardware really exists and, someone doesn't have access to it? i pity you mikecane. really, i do. if only you knew what was around the corner; i am very bored with every latest model on the market - mainly because i know whats coming.
whats worse is that you americans know squat about competitive markets; not everything revolves around the US of A. the BEST smartphone isn't the Treo 600, although, it is very nice. the winner hands down is the Sony Ericsson P900 - oh wait, you dont have that over there do you!? so no wonder why it isn't in your radar. how about the Nokia 7700? .. if only you were where these things get created; you'd have a better clue.
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php
RE: Highly anticipated?
I've been bored with every latest model, save the TT3 when it was first introduced. UX50? Please! But that's no fair! I want to see so I can complain about the processor speed or RAM issue or screen size or that multitasking has too much overhead! That's such a dream job. Gimme gimme gimme!
>>if only you were where these things get created; you'd have a better clue.
Trust me, us Americans are aware of our phone situation. Hell, the GOVERNMENT is stepping into the system to improve on it, mandating the ability to take our number to different providers. Almost every company now uses a SIM card, which is a step closer to Europe's superior system of buying the phone and plugging in any SIM card you want. Zero locked phones would be perfect. If and when this happens, the US and Europe will be equal in the cellular area, and after that, it's only a matter of time before the amount of people using a phone surpasses Europe and the companies bring their business predominantly to America. That's how it works here - there's a huge market of people with enough money to buy these goods and services.
And let me state for the record I still don't believe smartphones will take off. In its current form, even the Treo 600, it simply doesn't provide enough benefit over a two-piece solution, and it doesn't justify the cost to those who are buying dumb phones with PIM capability. It needs a lot of improvement, or even Microsoft will drop it.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: Highly anticipated?
This from some Eurobean (sic) whose communications monopolies (PTTs) have been state-run for ages. Oh, you Euros will teach US about capitalism? Wait til your vacation allotment shrinks to zero, pal. THEN you will understand competition.
>>>not everything revolves around the US of A
But it does. And you can't stomach that. Too bad.
>>>the BEST smartphone isn't the Treo 600, although, it is very nice. the winner hands down is the Sony Ericsson P900 - oh wait, you dont have that over there do you!?
Who the eff cares? How many programs run on it? NEXT!
>>>if only you were where these things get created; you'd have a better clue.
You get a clue. Everything's created -- and manufactured -- in Asia.
You're assuming the US economy will keep expanding
I got those numbers from ABC news just today.
Chess or Chyes
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-Bosco
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Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
Secondly, it probably won't happen, but palmOne should place manufacturers reps at larger retail outlets (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.), but only the higher volume stores. These reps would simply be palmOne Q&A reps (i.e. palmOne employees) rather than store employees.
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Pay employees more?
Not gonna happen.
RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
They already do that. I've received several e-mails regarding store locations and times for someone from PalmOne to be at a particular location to answer questions.
A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.
RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
I'm *constantly* running into a WinMob rep at stores in NYC. He has a regular circuit -- and he *knows* his sh*t too. And he's not a PPC Cultist, either.
RE: Palm Stores/Kiosks and retail reps
Don't know why, but you might try getting on the PalmOne's e-mail list. I did and that's how I get notices. They have "blitzes" where they bring a bunch of reps into one city, plus each major city has their own rep. I would imagine in a city as big as NYC, they must have a lot of ground to cover, possibly spreading them thin. I've seen my city's rep a few times in various stores.
A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.
Infomercials--A Brilliant Marketing Strategy
My prediction is that if an effective, *good* Infomercial is produced and widely broadcast for the next generation Palm product (maybe T-4 or Treo 700?) then THIS will be Palm's turning point!
Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics
What does palm need to do?
(1) Get Rid of monochrome low end models - period! they do a diservice to the brand
(2) Add some more "standard" fields in the addressbook! Have a second address, and AIM, ICQ, yahoo screen-names. Have Bdays and anniversaries as well (and other dates if possible) just like the Newton had, just like the PPC, symbian and MacOS X's addressbook have! The custom fields while nice, are a problem. Keep custom fields though, they are good.
(3) Built-in bluetooth for all models, make connectivity a priority. Smartphones and phone connectable PDAs will be the next wave of devices
(4) Bundle a web-browser, multimedia player and other apps commonly found in PPC and other PDAs. I do realize that some peopel have no need for these apps, that is why you put them on a CD and clients can install as needed. I use the media player daily on my p800 and my PPC, and I go online quite often from both.
(5) Make more Palm stores! Have your inventory out for people to play with. Do what apple did! :) Educate people on the products rather than have a know-nothing employee tell potential customers that "This (a pocket PC) runs on a pentium which is better, but this runs ( palm device) runs on a texas instruments chip - I would go with the pentium chip" (first of all..whaaa?? pentium?! this guy doesn't know what he is talking about). Also, if you feel comfortable doing this, have your licensee's devices out (Sony, and others) for your clients to play with. You do need though to have CORRECT info out there for people to know because the Best Buys of the world could not care less which one you buy. They just want you to buy the more expensive one.
(6) Add some sparkle, some bling-bling, some pizzazz (is that spelled right?!). Be like sony in some ways, add that 1.3/2.0 MP camera, add that flash, don't be afraid to experiment with a few value added features, break the mold of the old PDAs and make something new (well obviously still keep some of the old styles around since everyone has different likes and dislikes)
(7) Finally -- STANDARDIZE! you need to have a PDA and smartphone edition and keep em compatible with one another and up to date. you need to create a smartphone OS that is pretty much the same across the board no matter who makes the hardware.
--- Acquisition talk ----
Well.. Oracle probably wont buy em.
Sony probably has a stake in it and could go forth and buy them, but I do not see this happening. Apple could go forth and buy the OS rights but leave the hardware to be their own business. Given Apple's and Sony's track records on the Newton and on the MagicCap based devices... it looks a bit grim (although I could be suprised).
I see palm being slightly more innovative this coming year with new models, and I see them self-marketing like apple.
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Armchair Boardroomers.
(1)(No B&W) - I don't see where a 20+ day battery life does any brand damage - I also don't see how having variety in the lineup makes someone less likely to buy.
(2) (More standard fields) Yes, let's break beaming compatability. While we're at it, why not see if we can get Peacemaker to port their software to OS 6?
You can use carriage returns in all the fields PalmOS supplies. If you could point out a specific situation where having a 'Birthday' field would be signifigantly better than creating a shortcut that created a template for such information - so much better it's worth having Joe User stare at his pilot in bewilderment and say 'You never gave me that, dear.' when his 505 trims the birthday from a OS6 entry field.
(3)(BT) Funny that most mobile kiosk vendors I visit (Looking for a phone at the moment) need to have the word 'Bluetooth' explained to them before they tell me they don't have phones that support it. Get better mobile support first.
(6) Have you been paying ANY attention? cameras(Clie) sliders (theirs) Virtual graffiti (HE), built in wireless/BT - If Pa1mOne steals ideas from their competitors any faster, they're going to have to move to taiwan.
(7) Isen't this exactly what people complain about WRT the PPC?
RE: Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics
>PalmOS supplies.
Of course, this is the solution problem of not having enough fields (or the RIGHT fields for a particular user) in the address book. OS6 stores data for new fields as part of the data for the current OS1-5 fields, or as an addendum to an attached note. So, the data is retained when beaming from OS6 to OS1-5, and the data can be rebuilt when beaming from OS1-5 to OS6!
I bet, however, that OS6 STILL contains the same stupid limitations on every one of the core Palm Apps---for (easy) compatability with older Palms. I wouldn't be surprised of OS6 has some extra features that are non-essential (like photos in the Address Book as some third-parties have done), but I bet there will continue to be the 4k memopad limit, etc.
I know Mike Mace mentioned that this would "go away" in OS6---but I bet what really happens is that there's just a "new" Memopad app. If you try to beam to an old Palm, it beams a copy of the program OR it truncates the memo OR it creates a bunch of smaller memo.
Palm Enthusiast since 1998
RE: Palm Acquisition and Palm Tactics
It is a fact of life that most products get EOLed (End of lifed), we have seen this with companies such as apple and microsoft and I do believe that palm is not different. We can talk all about compatibility with POS1 and other ad-nauseum but when it all comes to the end what is more important is compatibility with the two or three versions of the OS previous to the newest release (in our case POS3,4,5).
As for copying the competition, I am not saying to copy them per-se. I am simply implying that they should out-do them a little push the envelope a little, see what happens.
And as for Bluetooth, After BT came out, any phone that I have bought has had it. Now who has BT and who doesn't? This is more or less a technology issue and not a manuafacturer issue. It seems to me that most GSM phones have BT while CDMA, TDMA and iDEN phones do not. *if* carriers live Nextel, verizon, sprint, bell and telus asked for BT phones LG, Nokia, Samsung and SonyEricsson would make phones with BT for them. This is teh disadvantage of CDMA and iDEN phones (TDMA is being phased out in favor of GSM). You cant just buy *any* phone and throw your SIM into it. CDMA phones do not have SIM capability and iDEN phones are more or less proprietary to motorola (even though they support SIM cards).
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There's nothing wrong with that. When I scan several pages with my QuickLink Pen and beam to my CLIE, it automatically will put text in a 2nd, 3rd, however many Memos are needed to keep the text. (Not having a TT3, and always forgetting to have my QLP in pocket, I've yet to see what it'd do with that 32K Memo limit...)
Huh?
And while I've got your attention: How popular is RSS, why do people use it, and why would I need it?
RE: Huh?
-Bosco
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Prediction 11
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040101.html
-- Cringely's predictions for 2004.
Which leads me to Prediction 11:
Someone in power will finally see Bill Gates for the marauding sociopath that he is and take covert action against him. (Finally, those billions spent on the FBI and CIA will do *some* good!)
RE: Prediction 11
Magazine says Microsoft chairman and his wife have given away $23B, half their net worth.
November 22, 2003: 8:59 AM EST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Microsoft founder and chairman Bill Gates and his wife Melinda are the most generous charitable donors in America, Business Week magazine said this week, as the couple gave away or pledged a staggering $23 billion -- more than half of their net worth.
Find this article at:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/22/news/companies/gates_charity.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
RE: Prediction 11
He'd give it all away for a little more.
OK. Here's my prediction
Someone will market an "iPod killer" running Palm OS 5 (or possibly 6). This will be a fairly standard OS5 device, save for the iPod-style microdrive with flash buffer that gives it gigs of storage.
Synch via USB2 or possibly FireWire.
Price point about $250.00.
Second prediction: it won't kill the iPod, because a)it's not Apple, so the mac faithful won't buy it, and b) it lacks the integration with iTunes and an online music website.
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And I doubt Apple has all the world's microdrives bought out, not with multiple manufacturers getting into the market.
Here's a crazy thought: make it interface with a Tivo, and store/playback your TV shows on the microdrive.
Jon Acheson
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RE: OK. Here's my prediction
RE: OK. Here's my prediction
Jon Acheson
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RE: OK. Here's my prediction
Yes: Treos are selling out wherever I look. What about, hack!cough!sputter!, Smurfphone?
Of course Smurfphone is cheaper: It does far less and the huge discount is a freaking BRIBE to get the suckers on the hook.
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Jon Acheson
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
predictions
#1 - oracle
that a long shot.
PalmOS 6 includes its own database schema manager; and, it is limited at that (as it should be). handheld devices are not designed to support carrying large data sets.
the only reason oracle would purchase palm/palmsource would be for an asset; not something the company could use. i wouldn't see anymore purchases make on palmone/palmsource for quite some time; the handspring/palmone and the palmone/palmsource split took a lot of resources - it wont happen anytime soon.
#2 'its just an organizer'
well, it is! whats wrong with that?
#3 sony cutting back
Sony is a weird company; they are the ones who truely innovate the PalmOS, but, at the same time - mess it up. there will be a slowdown on sony based units; maybe dropping to 2 new units per month; more focused on providing units like the ux50.
#5 HVGA/VGA
i'd expect the max resolution for 2004 to stick around 320x480 and 480x320. what toshiba did was a fun little hack; but, it costs a bombshell - the LCD displays need to get down in cost before someone commits to doing this. just throwing a new screen in doesn't help - applications need to be updated to support them; PalmOS itself promotes 'hires' and 'hires+' - not higher.
#6 textmaker
um.. there is a LOT of software on Pocket PC that'll makes it way over to Palm. why be specific about a little word processor?
#7 opera
this is a long shot. you need to start coding there mike, to really understand what is required to make a port like that to happen. i know John Marshall (prc-tools maintainer) now works at opera, but, i would be sure as hell that he isn't working on opera on palm.
(other predictions = cannot be bothered messing with)
now, lets waste some bandwidth.. oh, (c) 2004, Aaron Ardiri.
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RE: predictions
Agreed. I'm not a developer myself, but I understand the architectural requirements for this app would make it nearly impossible on PalmOS. Pocket PC...maybe. Palm..no.
I realize you're under NDA, Aaron, but can you give us your impressions of the "robustness" of PalmOS 6 in this regard? Is OS6 a capable brand new platform..or is it still too limiting?
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>>>#2 'its just an organizer'
>>>well, it is! whats wrong with that?
PLEASE tell me:
a) That you are NOT a consultant to the two Palms
or if you are that
b) they damn well DON'T listen to you.
And if you ARE a consultant and they DO listen to you, PLEASE fill up your wallet with stock from both companies so when they go belly up, they'll take YOU with them.
RE: predictions
OS6 provides a brand new kernel - which, removes a LOT of limitations currently present with the current suite of PalmOS devices. OS6 is now public knowledge; at least, it will be at the PalmSource developer conference in Feb.
as a user, you probably wont notice much from a user interface point of view - other than clearer/cleaner fonts; palm catches up with pocket pc/symbian from the graphics regards in OS6. most of the true benefits come from the re-write of the kernel and the squishing of the restrictions put in place at the palmos 1.0 codebase.
however, i personally dont find that many restrictions in OS5 - you just gotta know how to get around them. i am sure Opera could be ported; but, why.. it'll take a LOT of work, from very experienced developers. thats why it wont happen. time isn't what most of us have these days.
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RE: predictions
Hawkins
Well, Hawkins is about, oh, 50 years behind the cutting edge there: that kind of collaboration started seriously and on a large scale at places like MIT in the 1950's, and it is now a fixture at all major universities.
RNI sounds like a nice hobby for a wealthy amateur scientist, but it's a drop in the bucket for the scientific community already working in these areas.
unknowns
And no matter what Palm does, with the increasingly powerful hardware, the OS will matter less and less. Once PalmOS is a 32bit multitasking OS, people will port cross platform toolkits to it and you are going to see more and more software developed to those toolkits and just recompiled for the different handheld platforms.
Second prediction, or wishful thinking
Something like a Tungsten E with a thumboard would do it, though a proper flip-cover for the screen would be nice.
Jon Acheson
"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
Will these products ever ship?
Fuel Cells?!
Or maybe I'm just being too literal-minded. Was that prediction meant seriously?
RE: Fuel Cells?!
"Hitachi to squeeze fuel cell into PDAs"
RE: Fuel Cells?!
Yes, that article says Hitachi is planning it for *2005.*
Who's to say Hitachi is the *only* cell maker?
predictions
The goal of the palm's is to make money so following that premise you will see
- deeper push into smartphones including a lower end (cheaper) smart phone. They WANT volumes. you will see a sub $200 palm os smart phone by year end.
- use of palm 6 to push into laptops (this way you may be able to charge more per copy of the OS and you get yourself a nice new application). It is after all the year of the laptop and intel and windows are vulnerable here. I'd expect this close to year end and probably with a 12 inch or smaller display. Sony is my top candidate here but other japanese vendors are also potentials.
-continued focus on enterprise.
-use of palm os 6 to push into new (perhaps embedded) applications.
- palmsource must remain independent but will surely welcome investment from oracle, sony or anyone else.
- I don't doubt opera for palm os 6 because i still think that palm OS 6 will share a bit of technology from beos/beia and we all know opera ran on both.
Palm wants money. They need new sockets for their products because pda's are a niche. The Palm's want out of the niche and they will focus on smart phones, enterprise and laptops. For all i know sony will include palm os in future versions of the PSP.
RE: predictions
>>>- I don't doubt opera for palm os 6 because i still think that palm OS 6 will share a bit of technology from beos/beia and we all know opera ran on both.
I'm glad for *that* affirmative vote after everyone else saying Nay.
RE: predictions
you said Opera for PalmOS.
PalmOS6 will allow larger applications to be ported; mainly because it doesn't have the same restrictions as the current operating system. so, for OS6, it can be a possibility - but, right now, why? why do we need *another* browser for the pda? who surfs the web at 320x480 or 480x320? i surely dont. my laptop gives me 1600x1200 - the way surfing should be done - i think its really a reality check as to what the devices should be used for.
as for OS6 and Beos etc.. so what? no-one said anything about OS6 being beos on a handheld - so, whereever you thought that up, forget it. OS6 only brings palm up to par with pocket pc and symbian from an application porting point of view. personally, i like the existing framework fine - good old KISS - keep it simple stupid.
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if opera were to give me the source code; and, give me enough incentive; i am sure i could get opera working on existing OS5 devices. so, i could technically make one of your predictions come true. opera are based in oslo, and, our good friend John Marshall works there now.
porting isn't difficult, once you know what you are doing - part of the problem for most developers that can do it is... time, we just dont have any of it.
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RE: predictions
Duh.
Let me tell Toshiba that releasing their VGAed PPC was a MISTAKE! How DARE people use it to browse the web -- and from, if you'll pardon the expression, the PALM of their hands, instead of toting a fekkin NOTEBOOK around!
And let's get that damned web browser out of the Treo 600 while we're at it...
Duh.
And, please, STAY THE HELL AWAY from the Opera source code!
RE: predictions
your predictions are garbage; your an idiot with no cause - you have no idea even how the technology behind what you 'praise' works - nor, do you have any true insights as to what is in development both from the hardware or software level. its people like you that ruin operating systems - you put so much expectation into peoples mind about what to expect from a future release; only to have their hearts shattered when it doesn't turn out the way they envisioned.
if there were no predictions, every new PDA would be a big surprise; and, no-one would be upset. as for using PDA's? i prefer a notebook anyday - even 1024x768 doesn't cut it for surfing the web; remember, its a handheld device.. if you like what toshiba did - go buy that device and drool over it. dont ruin the experience of palmos for other developers
PS: if i was asked, i would port Opera - and, there would be nothing you could do about it. again, grow up.
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This from someone who has yet to create an app that doesn't involve what is essentially turning electrons into toys.
>>>your predictions are garbage
What does that make you for reading them and responding and responding and responding to them? Less than, I think.
>>>your an idiot with no cause
And yet you reply and reply and reply and reply...
>>>you have no idea even how the technology behind what you 'praise' works - nor, do you have any true insights as to what is in development both from the hardware or software level
Now tell us everything that makes your car works. Your TV. Your excuse for a brain.
>>>its people like you that ruin operating systems
Spoken like a true member of the Old Priesthood who no doubt still pines for the Clean Rooms where the Old Mainframes were worshipped. Welcome to the Disintermediated World. You've been dethroned.
>>>you put so much expectation into peoples mind about what to expect from a future release; only to have their hearts shattered when it doesn't turn out the way they envisioned.
"Their hearts shattered." Puhleeze.
Yes, how DARE us ACTUAL USERS state what we WANT and put PRESSURE on you developers. Dance, slave. Even with your feet of clay.
>>>if there were no predictions, every new PDA would be a big surprise; and, no-one would be upset.
Oooh, look at those new Sony TJs. Wasn't everyone just so ecstatic over those?!
>>>dont ruin the experience of palmos for other developers
-- and THERE is his true whine. He DOESN'T say, "Don't spoil it for USERS." No. Don't ask anything of DEVELOPERS. How DARE we WANT something MORE for our MONEY!
Go back to sleep, dinosaur. Or better yet, die and turn into fossil fuel so you'll have some use in this world.
Boring
RE: Boring
http://www.pocketfactory.com/archives/000173.php#more
Tch! He veers from PDAcentrism to desktops...
...and gee, where did I first read that bit about Gateway doing PalmOS? (snicker! That's what you get for libelling me, Foo: "buddy"?!!?)
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RE: Boring
-Bosco
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RE: Boring
Don't go there.
I stopped after seeing a pic of busted legs.
You kids and your entertainment these days.
Whatever happened to tops, water pistols, and cap guns? (Er, forget that last one...)
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RE: Boring
Advice for the weak of stomach - don't go to that site. It's some real cut-throat advice. (pun WAY intended!)
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
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No kidding. It's going to take two or three glasses of Port to wash those images out of my mind. Damn, I'll probably have nightmares. 8^(
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These Predictions are Lame
First of all, why should we customers care if this happens? This affects stock owners, not PDA users. Oracle hasn't exactly been busy doing much of anything other than making sure it's database software won't operate without 3 full time DBA's holding its hands all day and all night. I doubt he would buy a company that makes a product at the end of its lifecycle.
2) PalmOS's Bad Perception Continues
I think all PDA's suffer from this - not Palm specifically. I owned a PPC from Toshiba for a year. Everyone called it my pocket organizer, and when I tried to demonstrate it to people, they said, "I use paper, thanks." Geeks will continue to love technology, everyone else will continue to reject it until it shows them some value beyond showing it off. I predict the death of the PDA within two years.
3) Sony Cuts Back
The death of the PDA within two years would be why.
4) palmOne Does Infomercials
This is a last-ditch type move - the kind Apple tried and failed at. Again, the death of Palm and the PDA is probably already written in stone.
5) HVGA vs VGA
No one wants a product that will not fit in their purse or pocket. Resolution has limits on a phone, and that's where the money will be: PDA's built into phones ala Treo. The stand-alone PDA, pager, and phone are dead.
6) Textmaker for PalmOS
I doubt this will affect anyone or anything. I've owned a PDA for five years, and I have never even heard of this.
7) Opera for PalmOS
The Windows browser sucks worse than IE with a google toolbar, and you think this will be a killer app for the Palm? Look for a buggy, slow application that will finally render web pages somewhat usefully by version 3 if at all.
8) Decuma Fix
What is this? Obscure and useless
9) PDA Fuel Cells Arrive
PDA's dead in two years.
10) Jeff Hawkins' "Virtual Dendrites"
No.
Here are my predictions for Palm PDA's:
1. By the end 2005, there will not be a PDA without a phone in it on any store's shelves other than the Goodwill store.
2. Voice Activated control of PDA/Phone combos will replace current one-handed attempts at usage.
3. PDA/Phone CPU's will become faster, counter-acting the effect of increasing battery power, resulting in a net gain of zero - and no one will need the extra CPU cycles or care because battery life is more important than CPU speed now.
4. Palm will become largely irrelevant as a hardware company and may file for bankruptcy by the end of 2005.
5. Agendus and Datebk will still not handle the T3's location field for calendar appointments during 2004.
6. OS6 won't provide any new enhancements that any regular customer would care about, and the difference between OS 5.2.1 and OS 6 will be meager despite all of the hype (just like 3 to 4, and 4 to 5).
7. Bluetooth will stop being put in PDA's by the end of 2005 and will go away.
8. A flash update for OS 6 will be released two months after OS 6 comes out and starts frying memory cards or allowing audio interrupts or other terrible bugs not caught during development.
9. OS 6 will cost too much money, and won't be available as a flash update for certain machines and brands currently popular - and that will disappoint and anger most people here when they find out.
10. My response will attract a firey, angry retort from Mike Crane and some other Palm fans.
Those are my predictions. I think mine are somewhat more reliable than yours, Mike.
RE: These Predictions are Lame
You were going good there until you got the name wrong, Mr. Dyslexia.
PDAs morphing into phones in 2 years, huh? We'll see. I've made no secret that I love the Treo. Let's see what it grows into by 2005.
You've made no mention of WiFi, I see...
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RE: These Predictions are Lame
WIFI? It will die. There will be no need for WIFI when cell phone and PDA's are merged, because the device will simply access the data services broadcast by cell towers already, everywhere that they go.
In fact, I think that within the next five years you will see the death of the wired network computer, and all computers will use a cellular network for all of their networking and internet access needs wirelessly.
RE: These Predictions are Lame
I don't waste my time watching s*itcoms.
And if 24-whatever thought *that* was a "fiery" message, he needs to lower his meds to see reality better.
Damn Steve Jobs!
Check out the new iPod Mini!
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NEXT STOP, PALM KILLER?
Behind the Click Wheel of your iPod mini await features that make it the world’s best digital music player. Listen to your music as you fall asleep, and wake up with music or an alarm. Store a copy of your contacts, calendar and to-do lists on your iPod mini. Or keep anything from store restaurant reviews to nightlife guides, and news articles to exercise routines — right at your fingertips. iPod mini also includes four fun games you can play anywhere, a feature you’re sure to appreciate the next time you’re standing in line or waiting for someone. You can even play your music as the soundtrack to the games— Music Quiz, Solitaire, Brick and Parachute.
RE: Damn Steve Jobs!
Palm Killer? Maybe training wheels for Palm -- after they realize it'd be nifty to *create* appointments on the fly...
Jeff gets SKAed!
-- oh the shame of being taken in like that!
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RE: Jeff gets SKAed!
You've got to be joking. Come on, Jeff, I know ska is a total nut, but you've got to be more professional than to do a formal response on your site to a known troll. At least TRY to hide the fact that your inspiration for the article was a lunatic.
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
Opera to PalmOS?!!?
-- gee, what's that SIMULATED PDA in their press release? Why show a fake *T3*? They *could* have shown a fake *anything*!
RE: Opera to PalmOS?!!?
The MSR technology looks really impressive. Can't wait to try it out myself. I hope it comes soon.
I'm wondering why they didn't just photoshop in an actual TT3 instead of doing a silly drawing mockup. It's landscape, it's widescreen, it's got a slider, a D-Pad... we get the point, it's on Palm. Why not just say it!?
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
Latest Comments
- I got one -Tuckermaclain
- RE: Don't we have this already? -Tuckermaclain
- RE: Palm brand will return in 2018, with devices built by TCL -richf
- RE: Palm brand will return in 2018, with devices built by TCL -dmitrygr
- Palm phone on HDblog -palmato
- Palm PVG100 -hgoldner
- RE: Like Deja Vu -PacManFoo
- Like Deja Vu -T_W
Maybe not Oracle
I'm not sure whether it will be Oracle, but it's certainly true that PalmOne and PalmSource would make an interesting aquisition for a number of companies in that kind of area. Possibly a large electronics firm (such as Texas Instruments or maybe even still Sony...) or some other large tech company (IBM has had relations with Palm before and sold rebranded handhelds, someone out of the blue like Hitachi or some other dissilusioned PPC licensee).
On points 2 & 3, I agree that more adverts of PalmPowered devices doing things like spreadsheets or playing full screen video/MP3s might help their perception.