Comments on: webOS 1.4 Now Available

And what exactly does that mean?

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Gary

Tech Center Labs

I was working on it but decided to become a horologist and thought you would like this better...
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flamingo-redneck-pendulum/id306602572?mt=8

Where's your iPhone?
Tech Center Labs

http://zenhabits.net/2007/08/a-guide-to-creating-a-minimalist-home/

http://zenhabits.net/2008/01/the-minimalists-guide-to-fighting-and-beating-clutter-entropy/

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

In a nutshell, its phone performance is awful (worst Motorola device ever), its battery life sucks almost as bad as the Pre, the keyboard blows, Google Maps Navigation is a STUNNING killer app, Android's PIM functions are horrible, the video capture of its camera is phenomenal (DVD quality), the screen is awesome, the build quality is very, very good (despite an uncomfortable formfactor) and its generally pretty responsive. I also like the amount of community support & the inclusion of a microSD slow (plus 16gb freebie in the box).

My Treo remains activated and I still use it occasionally for PIC purposes, legacy apps and PIM reference though the Droid is my daily "phone". Nothing beats Garnet for PIM and fast, efficient, intuitive one-handed navigation & data input.

P.S. If you want to get into Android development this might be a better choice (contract-free, fullsize SDHC compatible & SDK included) :
http://www.zii.com/Developer/Landing.aspx
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

IMO you're asking for problems when you try to graft an ancient PIM emulator onto a modern OS. just cut the cord, move on, and don't look back when the time comes.

Contacts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRw82RDW3LI

Calendar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8ygEdCrIA

what else do you want?

It looks tempting Kris but at this point it still has to go through a lot of growing pains while the iPod Touch is mature, has tons of user, good app distribution and gets better with each release.
Tech Center Labs

Yes, because prior to then I had to wade through a billion of his dribblings elsewhere here. Final straw, just seeing his goddammed handle.

hmmmmnnnn. i had to look that one up. good one. i learnt something.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ponce

2. ponce
Term originated in the UK and came to prominence in the 1960's, initially to describe a pimp. In Spanish it means "prince" and could have either been referring to the fancy, over-the-top clothing and jewelry popular with pimps, or because he was surrounded by a harem of women, involved in the underworld, but usually not the actual "king" of the area (he had to pay tribute to use the block or neighborhood).

Now it is generally used to refer to someone (usually a male) who dresses in nicer clothing and acts in a polished fashion; often interchangable with fag or pussy, but not necessarily as derogatory: a ponce is not necessarily homosexual, nor are they necessarily passive or weak, but they would tend to be thought of as metrosexual or gay in their manner of dress.

In the US it also takes a bit of a tone for a poser or wannabe, primarily in the punk, ska, or artsy scenes.

1960's BRITISH:
JACK: Oi, I need to find me a classy bird for the night.
TOM: Go talk to that ponce Tony. He got some nice girls, by the hour, they are.
JACK: Tony's a ponce, is that right? I though he just had some sort of magic with the ladies.
TOM: ****in' prat, you are.

MODERN BRITISH:

NIGEL: I can't believe I got curry on me new Pradas! I just paid five hundred quid for em!
ANDY: Haha, you ****in' ponce, that's what you get.
NIGEL: **** you, you fookin' chav, at least me Burberry's real.
ANDY: Right. You're still a ponce.

MODERN US:
DAVE: Hey man, wanna come into the woods with us and blaze?
FRED: No thanks, dude. I've got a date tonight and I don't wanna get my jeans dirty or sound like a retard when I'm talking to her.
DAVE: Quit being a ****ing ponce and come on, man. This shit's good.
FRED: Alright, fine.

3. ponce

a male who on occasion participates in strange activities, such as: water skiing and trying on women's shoes. a "ponce" may often be found wearing strange or moth-eaten fur hats, similar to one that 'light speed champion' wears. in response to a cuss from a "ponce", one would most likely say "shut up, gayboy" or "take that shit off your head".

MYLES: i'm thinking i might wear that furry hat out today.
JAMES: you think that will get you bare babes, init..that's so ponce.
MYLES: shut up, gay boy.
JAMES: at least i don't try on girls' shoes.

Legitmate Pre/WebOS question here:

Are you able to edit the voicemail button (aka #1 entry) to automatically dial your PIN so you can listen to VM without having to punch in your code everytime? I know this is a huge issue for the Verizon WebOS devices. IIRC, the GSM Pre has a VM edit button and Sprint lets you toggle your VM PIN security on or off, so this is a huge issue for would-be Verizon WebOS users. I now know of TWO Verizon people who returned a Pre Plus due to the inability to edit the default functionality of the onscreen VM icon + the "1" quickdial entry. Remapping VM + PIN to "2" is a workaround but it's still nice to be able to hit the onscreen VM icon to playback messages while driving.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

hkklife wrote:
Darth;

Legitmate Pre/WebOS question here:

Are you able to edit the voicemail button (aka #1 entry) to automatically dial your PIN so you can listen to VM without having to punch in your code everytime? I know this is a huge issue for the Verizon WebOS devices. IIRC, the GSM Pre has a VM edit button and Sprint lets you toggle your VM PIN security on or off, so this is a huge issue for would-be Verizon WebOS users. I now know of TWO Verizon people who returned a Pre Plus due to the inability to edit the default functionality of the onscreen VM icon + the "1" quickdial entry. Remapping VM + PIN to "2" is a workaround but it's still nice to be able to hit the onscreen VM icon to playback messages while driving.

I'm afraid that you're stuck with the work around for the time being. You might want to ask around on the Precentral Homebrew section to see if anybody is interested in creating a Voicemail patch with a separate Voicemail editor.
Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

i liked these - ouch -

1. Revamp the Pre

The Palm Pre is in desperate need of attention. The device pales in comparison to the iPhone. It's not only oddly designed, it lacks the "wow" value that the iPhone has. In a space where Palm is attempting to compete with Apple, that's a major problem. To turn things around, Palm needs to go back to the drawing board with the Pre and deliver a revision that reflects the current design requirements consumers have.

2. Work on WebOS

WebOS has quickly turned out to be more trouble than its worth for Palm. The operating system seemed like a fine idea to differentiate the product in the beginning, but it didn't resonate with consumers. Palm needs to take a step back and evaluate what's really needed in WebOS and eliminate all the rest. Multitasking is a must-have, but whether or not the software is really capable of competing against other devices on the market is very much up for debate.

Personally, every issue with the Pre and webOS can be attributed to this:

7. Stay true to Palm

At the same time, Palm needs to be Palm. Part of the allure of Palm products in the past was that they offered a unique take on mobile computing. They didn't simply follow the competition's lead for the sake of making a few extra bucks. Palm was a unique company and it made its name off of that. It can still be unique and deliver a compelling product, but it needs to be more aware of what consumers and the enterprise really want.

Instead of trying to out-iphone the iphone, management should have looked at what key factors made Palm successful and used that as a basis for webos and the Pre's hardware design.

Imagine using the Palm V and/or Treo designs as a design basis - instead of that crappy slider.

fooleo?

On Palm, so much has been written on where they went wrong that it is hardly worth raising again. The Palm of the Tungsten and Treo fame no longer exists.

BAM! Best thing I've read here yet. I am still shocked that Palm basically abandoned their powerful Calendar / Contacts for "pop culture" versions on WebOS. This was one of the strongholds that no other competitors could seem to get quite right. These tools are genuinely revolutionary for human productivity. Palm should be using them with a "synergy" approach to to making mobile devices make life more productive. Not, try to steal Apple's thunder.

BTW, concerning the iPad comments. Pretty cool, but otherwise going nowhere IMO. I keep asking "why"? Web, yes as well as the other's mentioned above. But, I keep thinking @ how powerful / functional my 1" thin Eee PC 1008 $400 netbook is and wonder why I would downgrade (generally speaking) to an iPad for extra $$$. Can't think of many seriously good reasons.
Pat Horne

My surfing habits are 99% "clickety-click" on URLS with gobs of reading. When I "do email" it pretty much follows that same paradigm with some minimalist text entering in reply - a virtual keyboard would be totally fine and intuitive and NOT "intrusive on work habits".

[of course, message board surfing is obviously a different thang]

But if I'm roaming around sitting in airplane seats or coffeeshops or on a hotel bed, I could see that thing replacing a laptop with no problem at all.

And the dock that you can get for it CONVERTING it into essentially a laptop means you can take it into that remote office or onto your hotel desk and not notice a difference between it and a laptop.

It's a win.

Like a front-facing camera.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QZrzu9Ke0-iyRM:http://tamsijungle.tamoggemon.com/content/2010/February/thaipadcamera/ipad-camera.jpg

Like multitasking (because of the next OS version that is so rumored).

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/19/iphone-os-4-0-claimed-to-include-multitasking-revamped-interface/

> ...Oh, and it won't sit on the table, bed, or counter for use and requires
> 2 hands or laid flat etc....

You didn't see this?

http://images.google.com/images?q=ipad%20keyboard%20dock

Taking a the "A" out of agreed is not a good idea.

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