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Tungten E2The new Best Buy retail circular for March 16th -22nd is showing sale pricing for Palm's oldest remaining Palm OS product, the Tungsten E2 handheld, as well as the newest Palm OS model, the GSM Centro from AT&T.

This week's sale brings the E2 again down to its previous sale price of $149.99, with a $60 instant discount in effect (remember, Best Buy strangely sells Palm PDAs with higher-than-MSRP shelf prices). Additionally, Best Buy is touting the availability of the stylus/pen multipack for the E2 for $14.99, which is the standard price for this item. The full Tungsten E2 ad can be found on page 21 of this week's flyer.

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Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock

Gekko @ 3/17/2008 9:49:47 PM # Q


Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Dan Frommer | March 17, 2008 6:53 PM

/images/palm-centro.jpgPalm's $99 Centro smartphone is selling well at Sprint Nextel (S) and AT&T (T), Citibank analyst Jim Suva's sources tell him. That doesn't mean you should own the stock for a second, he says in a note today.

Why not? Simple:

* Palm has to subsidize the heck out the Centro to compete with smartphones like Research In Motion's (RIMM) BlackBerry Pearl and Apple's (AAPL) iPhone. That slices margins razor-thin.
* Cheap Centros are cannibalizing Palm's sales of its more expensive Treos.
* Cheap Centros could be cannibalizing Palm's sales of non-phone PDAs.
* Any changes that Palm's new management are making won't show up until the second half of 2008.
* Apple's new business-friendly iPhone features will likely hurt Palm more than they will hurt RIM.
* Suva expects Palm to miss consensus of $315.3 million of sales and a 14 cents per share loss when it reports Q3 earnings on Thursday evening.

Suva reiterated his "sell" rating on Palm (PALM) and a $4 price target - 18% below its $4.86 close.

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/3/palm_buy_a_centro_sell_the_stock

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
twrock @ 3/18/2008 8:05:09 AM # Q
I won't take issue with the rest of his "opinion", but this...?

* Cheap Centros could be cannibalizing Palm's sales of non-phone PDAs.

Is he serious? How can they cannibalize something that wasn't selling in the first place because there is nothing new to buy?

To his credit, he did say "could be" instead of "are", so I guess he gave himself an out. But in that case, I'll say, "Centro sales could be significantly cutting into iPhone sale, and that could be a reason why there has been a slow down in iPhone sales."

Hey, can't I just go guessing as much as the next guy?


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/18/2008 8:51:58 AM # Q
>>>"Centro sales could be significantly cutting into iPhone sale, and that could be a reason why there has been a slow down in iPhone sales."

Wow. Along with people speccing a new PDA that will never, ever happen, this is right up there with all the other magical thinking.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/18/2008 1:31:57 PM # Q
I suspect that it's more high pricing, insufficient features and limited availability (single carrier per geography, at best) that's slowing down iPhone sales.

I note that, according to Gizmodo and others today, AT&T has a sufficient supply of "re-furbished" (that is to say, "re-turned") iPhones that they're selling them below Apple's price on refurb units. Seems like the supply of iPhone is exceeding the demand....

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
twrock @ 3/18/2008 2:13:55 PM # Q
...this is right up there with all the other magical thinking.

So I guess I really do need to put a smiley face or "giggle" after making absurd/sarcastic statements. I thought adding "Hey, can't I just go guessing as much as the next guy?" would be enough. No?


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
nastebu @ 3/19/2008 10:31:47 AM # Q
what exactly is the evidence that iPhone sales are slowing? If it's lower priced units on the AT&T website, that's weak. That could mean many things: that a new model is coming out soon that AT&T feels they're making enough money on the contracts to try to ramp up sales even more, or that the cost of production has come down... etc. It could even mean nothing at all.

Given the level of interest in the platform (Adobe announced Flash support today for example), I'd say the iPhone is *gaining* momentum.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/19/2008 3:16:42 PM # Q
That could mean many things: that a new model is coming out soon...

Given that Apple, which spent about a billion and a half dollars on flash memory last year, has yet to place any significant flash orders this year—when flash prices are effectively in a freefall, with vendors selling the parts at or below cost—this seems exceedingly unlikely.

If sales of iPhones are so terrific, why isn't Apple buying the parts to make any of 'em...?

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/19/2008 3:24:56 PM # Q
...lower priced units on the AT&T website...

And it's not simply "lower priced units"-AT&T is not allowed, by the way, to sell a new iPhone below the Apple price. It's lower-priced refurbished units. A refurb unit is one which was purchased new, and then returned to AT&T (or Apple) by the customer, presumably as a result of some level of dissatisfaction. It can't be sold as a new unit a second time.

The clear conclusion is that a fairly significant number of iPhone customers are finding the device either doesn't meet their needs, doesn't live up to their expectations, or both. If AT&T only had a few of 'em, then there'd be no need for them to undercut Apple on the pricing, would there...?


RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/19/2008 4:15:37 PM # Q

ACCESS Says ALP Release Has Not Slipped
Posted By: Ryan on Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:03:05 PM

Maureen O'Connell, an ACCESS spokesperson, has issued a statement to PalmInfocenter clarifying the timing of the release of the ACCESS Linux Platform. She says ACCESS has previously stated that they plan to deliver a pre-release version of the ACCESS Linux Platform PDK to select licensees, and a pre-release version of the ACCESS Linux Platform SDK to select registered developers before the end of this year, and that general availability would be in the first half of 2007.

She also has confirmed that ACCESS has in fact already delivered pre-release PDKs and SDKs to a number of companies.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9145/access-says-alp-release-has-not-slipped/



RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/19/2008 4:28:19 PM # Q
And that statement was completely accurate: the facts were misreported here at PIC, and Ryan corrected them. It hadn't slipped, ALP PDK and SDK v1.0 were delivered in early 2007, February 2007 at 3GSM to be exact. We're going to be getting v2.4 out shortly.

Was there some relevance to this discussion, Gordon, or were you simply seized by an uncontrollable need to post something without actually having anything to say...?

Feel free to post about Yankowski's suit or something if you feel the urge.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/19/2008 4:47:33 PM # Q

i only have one question - when will my ALP phone be shipping?

thank you.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/19/2008 5:26:00 PM # Q
I've told you before: the Samsung SGH i800 will ship "before June", according to Yves Maitre of Orange. That's the one that's been announced; I can't comment on others, except to say that there are others.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/19/2008 9:51:51 PM # Q
>>>i only have one question - when will my ALP phone be shipping?

The Day After Never.

Such joy!

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/19/2008 9:55:38 PM # Q
>>>>akalefty @ 3/19/2008 3:24:56 PM #

>>>>The clear conclusion is that a fairly significant number of iPhone customers are finding the device either doesn't meet their needs, doesn't live up to their expectations, or both. If AT&T only had a few of 'em, then there'd be no need for them to undercut Apple on the pricing, would there...?

http://tinyurl.com/2joaae
(3/19/2008 - No longer available at AT&T site)

>>>If AT&T only had a few of 'em

So, I guess you're saying AT&T just sold a whole sh*tload of them, despite the fact they're really NOT selling?

See a mental health professional, willya?

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/19/2008 10:18:41 PM # Q
Sounds like they had a successful fire sale. I guess you can move anything if you drop the price enough...

See a mental health professional, willya?

No doubt you could recommend one, or several, hm? Anyway, I thought you were going to catch up on your sleep after the excruciating and "hellish" experience of having to go outside in the rain.

Do a few more posts on your blog, you're only up to fifteen so far today.


RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/19/2008 10:26:21 PM # Q

"There are no Apple iPhones selling. Never!"

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
abosco @ 3/19/2008 10:40:06 PM # Q
Seeing as how the iPhone is brought up after EVERY news article for any other mobile platform (Palm, Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Access Linux), it's safe to say the product is doing well. Trying to convince a forum that it's not selling up to par is a far stretch at best.

When I first got mine on day one, I saw maybe two others for the first few months. Recently, I see them everywhere I go. For such a pricey smartphone, they sure have sold a ton. They snagged me.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
nastebu @ 3/19/2008 10:45:10 PM # Q
lefty, in a funny way your inability to appreciate the iPhone makes me doubt ALP most of all. You put it down for all the wrong reasons. ALP is not going to displace the iPhone by adding more arcane features. I'm geek enough to be on Palminfocenter a year after losing my last Palm, and even I don't understand what A2DP2 whatever Bluetooth is about. I do understand that blazer on my Palm was unusable and Safari on the iPhone is amazing.

And despite your hopeful posts the iPhone sure as heck isn't going to go away. You bragged about 5,000 downloads of the ALP SDK in four weeks. The iPhone SDK was downloaded 100,000 times overnight. You keep citing marginal rumors that hint there might be declining sales. I sit on the subway and everyone and their dog is playing with one. You speculate that AT&T's ability to sell out of refurbished units proves there's tons sitting around unsold. The New York Times runs a story about how iPhones are a hot commodity on the gray market all over the world, and there are hundreds of posts in response that amount to, "yes, I'm in Bangladesh and have an iPhone."

You might be right and I might be wrong, but I'm not basing my business plan on my guess.

I haven't bought an iPhone because:

1.) I spent a lot of money in January and can't justify an expensive telephone something that isn't going to solve a lot of problems,
2.) the PDA features on the iPhone are *less* than what was on my T5,
3.) without 3G I can't use it in Japan,
4.) there's still no Japanese language input for it

If an ALP phone was available, attractive, was a good PDA, and solved the above features, I'd be happy as a clam and would fork over the pennies. But it's not, might not be before the end of the year, and it's quite possible that the iPhone will do all of the above before the end of the summer. If I were you, I'd be looking at that silly thing Apple has made and trying to figure out what they did right, rather than sitting around being mystified (or in denial) as to why it's so popular.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
twrock @ 3/20/2008 5:34:26 AM # Q
I have somewhat the same list:

1.) I can't justify an expensive telephone that isn't going to solve a lot of problems.
2.) The PDA features on the iPhone are *less* than what is on my TX.
3.) It doesn't have the third-party apps that are necessities for me.
4.) (AFAIK) There's still no Chinese character (handwriting) input for it.

At least some of that has the potential to change, but until it does....

Bring on ALP, Nova, Android, OpenMoko, whatever and let me have some real choice.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/20/2008 6:57:09 AM # Q
...I don't understand what A2DP2 whatever Bluetooth is about...

I certainly can't help your lack of understanding, but I can inform you. For your information, A2DP is the Bluetooth Advanced Audio Distribution Profile, it's what make wireless stereo headphones work. It's still amazing to me that I can't use a pair of wireless headphones with Apple's Bluetooth-enabled, music-playing phone. This is something I can do, and do routinely, with pretty much every other phone I have.

I've looked closely at the iPhone, I assure you, as have most people at ACCESS. I used one exclusively for the better part of a month, and I could be carting one around right now, and on ACCESS' dime. I choose not to, mostly because of the various lacks of functionality I've described. If you're looking for people to lay out its positive points, of which there are a number, all having to do with its user experience, they're easy to find.

I appreciate its accomplishments, but I'm also cognizant of its shortcomings; finding people talking about those isn't as easy. You folks seem to be expecting every other phone manufacturer on the planet to simply roll over and die in awe. I'm telling you that this won't happen.

I'm asking what would seem to be reasonable questions, such as wondering how Apple is going to make iPhones when they haven't bought any flash memory parts this year. Haven't gotten a response yet, other than "THEY'RE SELLING LIKE CRAZY, WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT!!??!!??!!??"

Apple hasn't announced their iPhone figures for this quarter. I'm expecting them to be down from the last quarter, for the reasons I've cited. What do you want me to say? I guess we'll know who's right and who's wrong after their earnings call.

Sorry, I can't be an Apple fanboy: I worked there, I'm quite aware of what Apple's good at and what they're bad at. I find it hard to be overawed by the sausage when I know what the inside of the sausage factory's like.

For example, you mention 100,000 downloads of the iPhone SDK overnight. Certainly that shows a lot of interest. Recent news suggests much of that interest will be frustrated: Apple's issued certificates to only a fraction of a fraction of those folks, and told the rest to wait until June.

The rest of that 100,000 are discovering that they're scarcely able to use that SDK without the certificate. They can't even get their own software on their own iPhones without that certificate. And a number that have gotten a certificate are reporting (according to a report at TUAW) that installing the beta 2.0 iPhone update makes it stop being a phone.

I didn't make any of that happen. I'm just reporting the news, the same news that you can read yourself. (By the way, if you're waiting for an iPhone that'll work on Japan's cellular system, I expect you're going to be waiting a while...)

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/20/2008 9:30:08 AM # Q
>>>I used one exclusively for the better part of a month

And apparently learned nothing.

Yeah, when it has the ability for people to use BT stereo headsets, you'll start shrilly screaming about how the battery life is then crap from running the BT radio all the time.

Give us all a break.

ACCESS will go nowhere.

And stop talking about how you worked at Apple. If you were any damned *good*, you'd still be there. Obviously you're not. And from what everyone's seen of ALP, neither is it.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
nastebu @ 3/20/2008 9:47:32 AM # Q
By the way, my point about AD212fyog84 Bluetooth was not asking for an explanation, but because I, and most people, *don't care.* That was the essence of my comment. Don't expect adding a feature that you might see as necessary as something that will sell a lot of phones. There are better MP3 players than the iPod, but they don't sell as well. That could be because most people are stupid cows, or it might be because Apple is putting something into the product that people want more than features.

Yeah, I have a similar worry about the iPhone in Japan. In fact, nobody I know has a phone that works on both networks. Whenever you get off a plane in JFK, you watch everyone in line switching phones. Likewise, in Narita after every plane in there's a long line at the cellular rental kiosk. Now, if somebody could explain *that* to me I'd be very very grateful.

Lefty, nobody wants you to be an Apple fanboy. I think I speak for most people on this site-devoted to Palm-who wishes you and ALP well. Make a better phone than the iPhone. PLEASE! I would love to buy a phone fully compliant with the pile of Palm applications that, a year later, I still have stuffed on my Macbookpro. I would have deleted them months ago, but part of me is mysteriously still waiting for a Palm to upgrade to.

The thing is, in order for most people to upgrade to ALP, it's got to be for a better reason than non-proprietary bluetooth headphone. If I had an iPhone and I wanted bluetooth headphones, I'd just buy Apple's. Yes, I might pay a few bucks extra, but it's worth it not to have to spend the time worrying about another brand.



RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
nastebu @ 3/20/2008 9:54:45 AM # Q
oh, and on Apple's quarterly iPhone sales, wasn't last quarter the holiday? If so, I would also expect them to be down. The real question is whether their market share in the US went up. On that point, I think the answer will be yes. Anyway, it's fun to wait and see.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/20/2008 10:21:55 AM # Q
...nobody I know has a phone that works on both networks.

Huh? Plenty of phones work on both networks. My Nokia E65 and my N95, as well as my S-E P1i, work fine (as phones) pretty much worldwide. You need a phone with quadband GSM and WCDMA 2100, that's all. You can't do FOMA stuff (since none of them implement MOAP outside Japan, understandably), but it operates perfectly well as a phone. I do it all the time.

If you can't get that station on your radio, get a better radio.

...wasn't last quarter the holiday?

No, you're in error: that was the previous quarter, i.e. 1Q08, the "We sold 4 million iPhones! (of which AT&T can only account for half)" one. That call took place on January 22nd. Holiday's over and done with. It's 2Q08 (the earnings call should be in April) that I'm talking about.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
nastebu @ 3/20/2008 10:38:51 AM # Q
ah, my ignorance is vast.

now I need a translation of what Lefty wrote.

iPhone in China Still 'Selling Like Hotcakes'
Gekko @ 3/20/2008 8:43:59 PM # Q

iPhone in China Still "Selling Like Hotcakes" (And So Are HiPhones)
Henry Blodget | March 20, 2008 4:44 PM

Our man in Beijing just bought himself a swanky new Apple iPhone (AAPL) for 4,000 RMB ($520ish). It came unlocked, of course, and ready for his SIM card.

(At least our man thinks he bought an iPhone. The Chinese knock-off "HiPhone" sells for about half that, and he says you can barely tell the difference. See video below.)

The last number our man in Beijing heard for China iPhone sales was 600,000, up from the 400,000 that China Mobile (CHL) reported at the end of 2007. The number of HiPhone sales? Incalculable.

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/3/iphone_in_china_still_selling_like_hotcakes_and_so_are_hiphones_


Gartner: iPhone Ready For Business Use By June
Gekko @ 3/20/2008 8:52:35 PM # Q


Gartner: iPhone Ready For Business Use By June
Dan Frommer | March 20, 2008 12:28 PM

Apple's new corporate-friendly features - access to Microsoft's popular Exchange email/calendar server, new security features, custom apps - now make the phone "ready for business," according to influential research firm/consultancy Gartner.

"During the initial launch of the iPhone, Gartner analysts expressed concern over some security issues with the device," the company said. "But recently announced enhancements, expected to be delivered in June 2008, have caused Gartner to change its recommendation."

Garner now rates the phone with "appliance-level" status, which means it's good to go for corporate email, organizing, phone calls, and Web browsing.

"By licensing Exchange ActiveSync and exposing its basic security policies, enterprises can provide sufficient security for iPhone during Exchange personal information manager (PIM) and e-mail use," Garner analyst Ken Dulaney said in a statement.

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/3/gartner_to_enterprise_iphone_now_totally_cool

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/20/2008 9:28:01 PM # Q
So Gekko, what's with all these iPhone links now? Are you getting one in June?

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/21/2008 1:17:21 AM # Q
iPhone in China Still "Selling Like Hotcakes"

Heh. According to this article, they've sold a total of 600,000 iPhones (in a country that had well over a half a billion cell phone users as of June 2007). That's not exactly "hotcakes", that's-being generous about it-no more than 0.1% market share, and probably a fair bit less. I wouldn't call that taking the country by storm.

And the article goes on to say that Chinese iClones are burying the sales of real iPhones-and I seriously doubt a device selling for $520 is an actual iPhone, unless the person selling it is a charity-and creating a serious disincentive for any Chinese carriers to be bothered taking on the real thing-"Because why on earth would China Mobile (owned mostly by the Chinese government) agree to give Apple a cut of monthly iPhone subscription revenue, when China Mobile can just sell SIM cards and keep all the revenue for itself?"

This doesn't sound like "success", exactly.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/21/2008 11:22:20 AM # Q
>So Gekko, what's with all these iPhone links now? Are you getting one in June?

nope.

"I hate the Apple thing. It's a "cultural problem." More specifically, the turtlenecked, Steve Jobs, thumb-up-the-ass, liberal-with-too-much-money "cultural problem."

i'm no fan of apple or jobs, but i have to give credit where credit is due. they have created great products, great services, great marketing, and great wealth for their shareholders.



Steve's Turtlenecks
akalefty @ 3/22/2008 8:28:21 AM # Q
Hey, here's something I bet you don't know.

Steve wears off-the-shelf Levis, but those nice, black egalitarian mock turtlenecks...?

They're cashmere. $500 bucks a pop.

I picked up the latest copy of Wired at JFK on my way back to California about twelve hours ago on my way back to California, and they've got a big article on Apple which repeats the stories about the vagaries of Steve's parking habits, which I can absolutely attest to. He parks on the sidewalk, in the fire lane, in the handicap spaces. The thing which really seemed to piss people off was when he parked right on top of the line between two spaces.

Once somebody parked their car two inches away from the driver's side of his car. Steve's got a pretty colorful vocabulary, as it happens. Once someone put a note under his windshield wiper that said, "Park different!"


RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
nastebu @ 3/22/2008 12:13:24 PM # Q
geeez, are we really posting on the minutiae of Steve Jobs's parking habits? Next up: an Eliot Spitzer thread.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 3/22/2008 3:00:48 PM # Q
Hey, here's something I bet you don't know.

Steve wears off-the-shelf Levis, but those nice, black egalitarian mock turtlenecks...?

They're cashmere. $500 bucks a pop.

I picked up the latest copy of Wired at JFK on my way back to California about twelve hours ago on my way back to California, and they've got a big article on Apple which repeats the stories about the vagaries of Steve's parking habits, which I can absolutely attest to. He parks on the sidewalk, in the fire lane, in the handicap spaces. The thing which really seemed to piss people off was when he parked right on top of the line between two spaces.

Once somebody parked their car two inches away from the driver's side of his car. Steve's got a pretty colorful vocabulary, as it happens. Once someone put a note under his windshield wiper that said, "Park different!"

akalefty = David Schlesinger = Director of Open Source Technologies at ACCESS = former peon of Steve Jobs at Apple:

http://tinyurl.com/2j5n8m

As usual, David Schlesinger is attempting to denigrate Steve Jobs - his former Apple master. How classy. Apparently David hopes that by "revealing" Jobs' wardrobe and parking quirks somehow the world will turn against Apple, everyone will stop buying iPhones and instead will line up to buy (nonexistent) phones that run David's precious Access ALP-OS, thereby validating his pathetic existence (and keeping him employed.) Yeah, that's gonna happen.

Get help, David. You don't sound like you're well in the head.



RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/22/2008 10:20:08 PM # Q
>>>Get help, David. You don't sound like you're well in the head.

Well, bleep. That's what I told him too. Maybe now that you've seconded it, he'll listen?

And *he* should criticize Jobs's fashion sense? That photo reveals Lefty has NONE.

Wow. What a goober!

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/22/2008 10:21:13 PM # Q
>>>"I hate the Apple thing. It's a "cultural problem." More specifically, the turtlenecked, Steve Jobs, thumb-up-the-ass, liberal-with-too-much-money "cultural problem."

Yeah, but aside from all that, are you getting one? You'd LOVE it! Go fondle one.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/22/2008 10:32:13 PM # Q

i already fondled an iphone months ago. it's beautiful, elegant, powerful hardware/software.

as i've stated before, the point is moot for me since i'm forced to use what my company gives me.


RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/22/2008 10:34:08 PM # Q

that is one scary looking mofo.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
Gekko @ 3/23/2008 9:21:05 AM # Q

Karl Rove loves his Apple iPhone

Sheffield: Last time I saw you, you'd just gotten an iPhone. How's that working out for you?

Rove: I love it. My life has changed. I have a shred of coolness. I've got my 3,500 people in my addressbook on the phone, I can sync my calendar. I keep track of my modest little stock investments. I can check the weather of my house in Washington, my house in Florida, my boy at school, my hunt-lease in south Texas. I can surf the web, I'm just-I get part of my email there. I mean it is just shocking how much better, how much more productive I am. I no longer carry around a giant address book, if I don't have my calendar close at hand, I can quickly check it out of my- I don't have to carry, I used to carry several notecards, now it's just as easy to scribble on my little notepad, I can take photographs and forward them on immediately, it's just remarkable.

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/16757/

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/23/2008 10:38:22 AM # Q
Nice to see that the Void of Reason hasn't deserted you folks, and is now reincarnated as "Fake Jeff Hawkins". So much for promises. In any case, I see a lot of sense in the new name: "fake" is certainly on the mark, and the combination of arrogance and willful ignorance seems to fit as well. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai.

Oh, and don't worry about Steve's feelings, he can take it. Certainly lots of Apple employees "denigrate" him in precisely the same way.

(I'm entertained that comments on Steve-whom I didn't bring up initially, only in response to Gordon the Lizard-are somehow "off topic", yet clips from Bride of Frankenstein aren't... No "stubborn consistency" here, but that's not anything new...)

ALPOS: Bride of FrankenGarnet!!!
Gekko @ 3/23/2008 10:54:59 AM # Q

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Shaggy Schlesinger. The man. The legend.
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 3/24/2008 2:51:07 PM # Q
Nice to see that the Void of Reason hasn't deserted you folks, and is now reincarnated as "Fake Jeff Hawkins". So much for promises. In any case, I see a lot of sense in the new name: "fake" is certainly on the mark, and the combination of arrogance and willful ignorance seems to fit as well. Baka ni tsukeru kusuri wa nai.

Oh, and don't worry about Steve's feelings, he can take it. Certainly lots of Apple employees "denigrate" him in precisely the same way.

(I'm entertained that comments on Steve-whom I didn't bring up initially, only in response to Gordon the Lizard-are somehow "off topic", yet clips from Bride of Frankenstein aren't... No "stubborn consistency" here, but that's not anything new...)

"Shaggy" Schlesinger. Still the same old idiot as usual, I see. You should hear what people say about you when you're not in the room. The desperation in your posts here is palpable. What's wrong, Shaggy? Is it true that Access is having problems finding companies willing to put ALP-OS into a shipping device? Don't cry, Shaggy. When Access goes bust I'm sure you'll find work. Somewhere.


Dead Pool prediction: Access/ALP-OS is toast within 12 months, massive layoffs announced, US operations shut down.

Why don't you tell us some more Steve Jobs stories, Shaggy? How about the one were he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in 2003, didn't tell anyone for a year and fought back to beat it? Or the one where he took over a struggling Apple in 1996 and brought it back from the brink of disaster? Or the one about how he built NeXT from scratch after getting ousted by Apple in 1985, only to have Apple pay him $400 million for NeXT a decade later and beg him to come back as CEO? Or the one about how he turned a $10 million investment in Pixar (nee The Graphics Group) into a $7 BILLION profit twenty years later? I feel most of Apple's products are style > substance and no one would ever accuse me of being a Steve Jobs fan, but the man's accomplishments over the years show he has earned respect. It's pathetic to see dorky little minor league Dungeons & Dragons flunkies like you continually bashing Jobs behind his back in an attempt to make themselves somehow seem important. Did you ever talk like this to Jobs when you worked at Apple? He would have personally ripped you a new one and then shoved your head into it. That would actually have been an improvement, since no one would ever have to see your hideous visage again.

As Elaine on Seinfeld would say: "Step OFF, Shaggy."

- Phil K.

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
PenguinPowered @ 3/25/2008 1:59:05 AM # Q
Dead Pool prediction: Access/ALP-OS is toast within 12 months, massive layoffs announced, US operations shut down.

That reminds me. Access still being around, Skippy owes me on a bet. Anybody hear from him, please remind him to make that donation.

May You Live in Interesting Times

RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
akalefty @ 3/25/2008 8:05:38 AM # Q
Access/ALP-OS is toast within 12 months, massive layoffs announced, US operations shut down.

I'd like to point out that you already made exactly this prediction and it never happened. As Marty says, you owe him money (not that I expect you to pay up; your most consistent quality is a complete lack of character, welsher). I don't expect your ability to foresee the future's improved any since then, either.

Is it true that Access is having problems finding companies willing to put ALP-OS into a shipping device?

No, it's not. That's more wishful thinking on your part, Void. The Samsung SGH i800 should be coming out in June, according to Yves Maitre of Orange; that's only the first ALP-based handset. We're currently working with a number of handset manufacturers; you'd doubtless be quite surprised at who some of 'em are.

Did you ever talk like this to Jobs when you worked at Apple?

Yes, indeed I did. I got into an argument with Steve in 1999 over the networking technology to be used in OS X, and got him to the point where he had to admit that he wasn't "a networking guy". Kept my badge, too.


RE: Palm: Buy A Centro, Sell The Stock
mikecane @ 3/25/2008 2:24:18 PM # Q
>>>Dead Pool prediction: Access/ALP-OS is toast within 12 months, massive layoffs announced, US operations shut down.

Oh stop it. You're being insanely generous here. I've already told him he'll be out of work by the end of THIS year.

Tick tick tick ...

Maybe the OLPC project would take him? If he *paid* them?

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