Comments on: New Palm Chief: New Products Will Take 18 Months
Rubinstein's new remarks would push that back until mid-2009 at the earliest. He is quoted as saying "It's a probably good target," [...] "These things take time."
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RE: White flag?
RE: White flag?
Oh well...what can we do?
All good things...
RE: Dido song?
RE: Non sequitur?
The equivalent would be if a car company hadn't altered their engine or supported new on-board features since 1987.
As for software, that's been extremely winnowed by the repeated small changes in the OS, and the implementation of NVFS.
How long does it take?
RE: How long does it take?
Sheesh, what do you people want?
RE: How long does it take?
Yup, they've only been working on their next operating system for the past 5-7 years, these things can't be rushed, don'tcha know... It's not like Palm relies too heavily on selling smartphones and PDAs for their income stream.
If I ran a company that derived nearly all my income from selling something that HAD to have an operating system, I'd be damn sure I had solid control over that OS *AND* put considerable resources into continually improving it for stability and keeping ahead of the curve.
PalmOS 5 is mostly functional "enough," but it's basically a kludge based on a design from the mid '90's with all the hardware limitations they had to work with: expensive RAM and flash, nearly non-existent wireless protocols, non-multitasking, no security, etc. It's an organizer with a bunch of bolt-ons grafted in over the past 11 years. Making all the logo and name changes while not prioritizing OS development seems like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Palm has a LOT of work to do to even stay afloat, and debating the "right" color of the Fooleo II casing ought to be very low on their priority list (if they even have one).
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
RE: How long does it take?
Sheesh, what do you people want?"
Hey now, they increased the screen res from the Treo 600, and added an external battery as well. And that was all the forst year. In the past 3 years, they ... Oh yeah, added 3g data and removed the antenna, and while the rest of the industry got 1cm thinner, Palm got 1 mm thinner.
Corp Speak
That aside, 2009!!?? I don't know why I even bother to follow Palm anymore.
Can we just hear from an actual developer?
Seriously, can't we just get word from one of the 4 or 5 developers that are left at PALM to hear when they think they'll get this OS done.
RE: Can we just hear from an actual developer?
Seriously, Palm has spent a LOT of years fiddling around with minor stuff - even before the brilliant move of acquiring Handspring, which probably saved them from earlier bankruptcy. Someone there needs to harness any talented programmers they have left (and can acquire) and crack the whip on this.
At shows, Access is already demo'ing what seems to be a pretty good Linux "Palm" OS emulator. Maybe Palm should just purchase or license some of the stuff from them to move ahead on this.
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
Ouch!
"I believe in the atomic bomb."
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Palm V > Vx > Clie Peg T615C > T3 > Clie TH55 > T3 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p & T3!
RE: Ouch!
Handspring Visor -> m505 -> Zire71 -> Zire72 -> Treo650
18 months
wow
18 months is Q2 2009, so product announcments even won't happen till the beginning of 2009. Who in their right mind is sticking around for that? I hope for Palm's sake that they can put it in gear and hit 2008 with something new.
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RE: wow
RE: wow
Sorta OT, but I think we @ PIC should all get this free Touch: http://www.flashipods4free.com/index.php?ref=34934%20
Then somebody write an educated article, "Touch vs TX, 10 rounds". Then we can all write educated comments!
What do you think, sirs?
I think the TouchPig will soon be full of 'last' nails!!??
These may end up beign a couple key comments
When I read that I sorta said "They're setting up PLANS for the future?" as opposed to actually implementing already-set plans - that all by itself suggests a timeline that THIS comment:
== "...It's a probably good target..."
could be taken as even further delay than 18 months can be expected.
RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
Says a lot about the plans that were in place. A whole lot.
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RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
Drives me nuts that I could likely manage this better than the overpaid idiots at the helm.
RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
> than the overpaid idiots at the helm
Yeah, but then YOU would be an overpaid idiot to someone else.
Eighteen Months?!!?
So all you Treo weenies, are you REALLY going to stick with that brick and get laughed at for the next EIGHTEEN MONTHS?!!?
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
Seriously, I'd have been long gone from Palm years ago if there were anything as "Zen," but I have yet to see any other system that works as well for me. I've given them years of rope, and it seems the only action that they can take is to keep tying it in a loop and placing it over their heads.
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
K, show me the nearest pocketable phone with touchscreen, removable battery, a massive selection of third-party apps and a real, exposed QWERTY (not some tap-and-pray smudgy piece of crap) and I'll think about it.
Oh wait...
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
... Yeap, I sure am :-).
Besides the only laughs come from such persons as do laugh & mock on forums like this so that's pretty painless. I've only met happy Treo owners locally. My Treo 680 is only 2 months old & is growing on me. As long as it's reasonably durable (no certainty there mind) I will be happy for some time with it. This forum is after all one where some want the absolute cutting edge & beyond - and they want it now...
There are of course many other PIC readers & posters here who are a bit more realistic than that.
iPhone ? No real buttons - locked to network & no third party software yet ; Much more expensive ; No thanks.
PPC/Windows on my pda/phone - not on your nellie ! (it even costs more.. than having POS)
Nokia have been for many king of mobile phones & my last one - no bad phone either - is starting to get left gathering dust at times, even with it's better battery life.
End of sermon !
IIIe>IIIxe>m125>m130>T3>TE>T3>TX / Treo680
Jesus said : 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'
John's Gospel ch. 14 vs 6, NIV
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
>Show me the nearest pocketable phone with touchscreen, removable battery, a massive selection of third-
>party apps and a real, exposed QWERTY (not some tap-and-pray smudgy piece of crap) and I'll think about it.
>Oh wait...
Freak, show me a Palm OS device with a slim design, exciting new form factor, good web browser, high resolution screen, advanced multimedia support, multitasking OS with support for Wifi.
Oh wait...we'll stop back in two years. If Palm's not dead by then, they may actually have something.
BTW, based on your criteria, I'd go with a Windows Mobile device.
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
By the by, the only WinMob device I know of that ticks all the above boxes is, doncha know it, a Treo!
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
show me the nearest pocketable phone with touchscreen, removable battery, a massive selection of third-party apps and a real, exposed QWERTY (not some tap-and-pray smudgy piece of crap) and I'll think about it.
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm
and you get GPS, HSDPA and a megapixel autofocussing camera thrown in as a bonus too!
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
HTC TyTN II - for those who think a Treo is too light and has too big resolution, and don't need one handed operation.
Comparing like with like:
Screen resolution:
240 x 240 - Treo 750
240 x 320 - Tytn II
Size:
113 x 59 x 21 mm Treo 750
112 x 59 x 19 mm Tytn II
Yes, the Tytn II is heavier but it has all the Treo has to offer plus bigger screen, wifi, GPS and a better camera in a device physically smaller than the Treo.
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
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Proof that innovation can't be found at Palm.
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
750 has for a significantly lower price (500 vs. 820 bucks unlocked on Amazon) one handed operation, ringer switch, Palm enhancements
The Tytn II can be used with one hand. The UBIQUIO 503G sells at the same price point as a Treo 750 with a similar set of features, yet offers a larger screen, 2 megapixel camera & a video call camera.
We have mobile devices with wi-fi, VOIP, 3G, megapixel cameras and even fingerprint scanners, but the mobile industry seem to have "overlooked" the "tremendous" impact Palm's "revolutionary" ringer switch can have on smartphone use and sales!
RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
Not Apple...
By the way, how many hundreds of times have you seen that some schmuck in a meeting or somewhere had forgotten to put his mobile on vibrate and annoyed the hell out of everyone when it rang, just because it's so damn hard.
In my country, TyTN II in the largest web (and also brick & mortar) store - 819.90 Euros, 750 - 576.90, iPhone - nope, Blackberry - nada.
> The Tytn II can be used with one hand.
Qwerty also?
RE: 18 months - how low will the stock be by then?
Don't buy just because it dropped. Buy because it'll be worth more in the future (if that's what you believe).
Stock price is going down pretty fast
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
The stock is down from yesterday, true, but it still (as of this post) is up from about a week ago when it was around $15.50/share (right now it is $8.30 so, with that $9 noted, is about $17.30 in "last week's dollars"...).
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
Palm stock isn't going to turn Apple numbers in the next few years, but when (18 months or later) new products arrive (they will...new $millions invested) the stock will quickly multiply by 3! And if the products are successful...
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
Bottom line...the next 6 months is buy time. Come May 2008, duirng stock buying season, the stock is likely to double on rumors of impending new products. After the products are released the stock will jump again. If they succeed...
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
Investors are hedging on the addition of Jon Rubenstein's chairmanship, etc.
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
That answers my question
RE: That answers my question
Everyone who is anywhere remotely close to being on the fence needs to run out *NOW* and buy a TX while you can still get 'em new and cheap from reputable retailers.
Everyone else needs to either get a Centro or just head to another platform entirely.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: That answers my question
> life trick with their current smartphone lineup as they have done
> on their final trio of PDAs...
That topic was directly addressed just recently both via message board posts w.r.t. the new MSFT initiative and what it suggested for longevity of the 750 AND by an interview just published on TreoCentral where a PALM guy directly addressed it.
RE: That answers my question
Bah. There is always ebay. (Hell, someday my rotten-assed CFed LifeDrive might be on it...)
RE: That answers my question
1. Palm thinks it makes the carriers look good to have a few fuddy-duddy old smartphones in the lineup alongside the iPhone et al.
2. Palm's becoming an increasingly CDMA-oriented provider, at least for their "own", non-rebranded devices.
3. Palm's got nothing else in the pipeline for GSM WM power users any time soon, so this is part of the 750's midlife "refresh" (along with the WM6 update).
Slightly OT: Everyone's opinion that I read suggests something slightly different on this matter. Who exactly determines what goes into a new handset and when said handsets are given the green light? For example, if Palm were to just "create" a mildly upgraded 750 (320x320, larger battery, BT 2.0 etc) would it be an instant insertion into the AT&T lineup? Or if AT&T is not clamoring for a higher-resolution version of the 750 with better battery life, does that mean Palm keeps on coasting until someone "comissions" such a device? And how far ahead and these things worked up? Finally, is the R&D/green lighting/approval/gestation process of a CDMA device drastically different than that of a GSM device (I'd think so--the CDMA devices are all far more carrier-influenced IMO and cannot be sold "unlocked")?
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: That answers my question
Had it with Palm
Since Palm cannot offer anything as an upgrade, its time to look for alternatives.
I considered getting a TX, but the thought of paying $ for that crappy browser, laggy WIFI stack, schizophrenic mail app, 5 year old PIM apps, 7 year old desktop and crashtastic operating system in unpalatable.
I'm considering an N810 web tablet with a separate slim phone.
iPhone is a non-starter. I run a Linux desktop.
Any recommendations?
RE: That answers my question
The TX is the most stable Palm NVFS device I've used so far (assuming you don't use a cache/heap-gobbling resource intensive app like, say, TomTom).
Barring that, the Centro seems to be the 2nd best of the POS lot but I've not used one yet personally.
N810 looks good if all you care about is web browsing/media but it still leaves a lot to be desired compared to the versatility/PIM/applications of POS (assuming you care about such stuff). I'd personally wait to see what Nokia has up their sleeve and if any show-stopping 810 bugs emerge early on.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
Palm OS II
I think we're going to find out pretty soon!
RE: Palm OS II
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a
RE: Palm OS II
RE: Palm OS II
There are too many things on the horizon:
- Photon
- Iphone 3rd party apps. (weren't you the one who was adamant apple would never release an SDK?)
- Iphone w/ 3g
- google phone
18 months is far too long for Palm to go without a suitable competing products.
RE: Palm OS II
Palm's main hope right now would be to try to be a early advocate/trendsetter with WiMax the way they were with SD/MMC in '01 and Bluetooth in '02.
Barring that, Palm could still partner up with Garmin and make a strong push for GPS-integrated devices and a strong set of LBS onboard.
Of course, it's not impossible to think Palm may just try to "coast" for the next 18 months on the last remnants of the three PDA models, the current crop of Garnet-based Treos/Centros, and of course a handful of new WM-based Treos in '08 and '09.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Palm OS II
Nope. I said it made a whole lot of sense for them to open it up, but agreed that there were probably reasons for Apple and AT&T to lock people out at the start. What I do think is that Apple are going to force devs to go through their iTunes orifice in order to sell, distribute and officially install these apps, which means that the ones that do cool stuff - like turning the iPhone into an awesome VOIP phone - will likely be rejected so as not to threaten AT&T's revenues (or Apple's cut of them).
- Iphone w/ 3g
Great! Apple will finally be up to speed with the rest of the phone world. :P
- google phone
Great! A phone that forces ads on me at every turn*. Can't wait.
*That is what Google wants, isn't it?
RE: Palm OS II
RE: Palm OS II
Holy sh*t! That means devs might actually MAKE MONEY!!
And what does Palm have to answer the ITMS? As usual: nada.
Buh-bye!
RE: Palm OS II
- Iphone 3rd party apps. (weren't you the one who was adamant apple would never release an SDK?)Nope. I said it made a whole lot of sense for them to open it up, but agreed that there were probably reasons for Apple and AT&T to lock people out at the start. What I do think is that Apple are going to force devs to go through their iTunes orifice in order to sell, distribute and officially install these apps, which means that the ones that do cool stuff - like turning the iPhone into an awesome VOIP phone - will likely be rejected so as not to threaten AT&T's revenues (or Apple's cut of them).
- Iphone w/ 3g
Great! Apple will finally be up to speed with the rest of the phone world. :P
- google phone
Great! A phone that forces ads on me at every turn*. Can't wait.
*That is what Google wants, isn't it?
I could say the same thing about EVERY Treo. "Great! A phone that's still three times too thick!"
-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a
RE: Palm OS II
1. They must close the security door on "root" (which is HUGE and is why it IS NOT ALLOWED to be sold as a business device, doesn't sync with servers, etc.).
2. They must enable Exchange server synchronization
3. They must overcome the weakness of text input
RE: Palm OS II
Oh my god!! People will have to buy iPhone apps through ITMS!!!
Holy sh*t! That means devs might actually MAKE MONEY!!
And what does Palm have to answer the ITMS? As usual: nada.
Buh-bye!
Sure, they'll make money - provided Apple approves of what they've created and grants them permission to sell it via iTunes.
Don't get me wrong, I think the idea of a one-stop shop for apps is a great idea that should finally bring the concept of mobile computing to the masses. But Apple are control freaks and if you think they're going to allow devs to make & sell whatever they like, I reckon you'll be in for a nasty shock come February...
Imagine if you could only buy software for your PC via a Microsoft-approved online store. It'd suck, right?
abosco:
I could say the same thing about EVERY Treo. "Great! A phone that's still three times too thick!"
And you'd be right - but then, what do you think they should compromise in order to slim down? The removable battery or the touchscreen?
RE: Palm OS II
I do...it's great...
>It is a consumer device, not a business device.
>To be a serious business device three things MUST happen BEYOND a SDK release:
>1. They must close the security door on "root" (which is HUGE and is why it IS NOT ALLOWED to be sold as a
>business device, doesn't sync with servers, etc.).
More FUD "Nostradamus" - who has said Apple isn't selling them as business devices?
BTW, how many clowns kept spouting off - iphone doesn't support 3rd. party apps. - iphone isn't a smartphone.
Now apple has announced an SDK and there's still more FUD - "If Apple doesn't like your app., it won't get released"...let's stick to the facts as they currently exist.
>2. They must enable Exchange server synchronization
And you don't think that will happen - once the SDK is released we'll see a steady influx of new applications running on a software and hardware platform much more advanced than the Treo.
>3. They must overcome the weakness of text input
A weakness in your humble opinion. Text entry (IMHO) works great - over one million people agree with me.
iphone isn't a panacea for the mobile computing world. It won't cure cancer, but it is an innovative device which blows the current Treo's out of the water.
How long have Palm been trying to sell the Treo as a consumer device? Putting a colored shell on a four year old design does not make a consumer friendly device.
I don't consider the treo with it's buggy single tasking OS, antiquated UI, and cumbersome design to be a business tool.
Even as a consumer tool, the Treo is also sorely lacking...but those colored shells are NICE! (sarcasm)
Treo sales aren't in the dumps for no good reason - Palm squandered their lead in the mobile computing space...let's save a Foleo discussion for another time.
Blackberries eat the Treo for lunch - and so do iphones.
RE: Palm OS II
AT&T. They don't have business contracts for the iPhone.
>...let's stick to the facts as they currently exist.
Yes. There is no 3rd party apps for the iPhone for the next couple of months. And nobody but Steve Jobs knows what the SDK deal will be. The rest of us will see in February.
I for one would by an iPhone tomorrow, if it would be possible. But here in Nokialand only 3G phones can be sold locked, so Apple probably won't market the current iPhone here. (That's why it sucks even more that the iPod Touch apps are even more crippled than on the iPhone.) Maybe iPhone 2.0 will have 3G and third party applications.
As for the thickness of the Treos, after using the original Nokia Communicator 9000 in the 90s, the Treos seem tiny!
RE: Palm OS II
As they currently exist, the facts are that Apple, and only Apple, decide who gets to sell stuff on iTunes. If you want to sell music, video or iPod/iPhone games, you have to go through them. You have to agree to their pricing and their terms. It's not an open platform. There's no reason to suppose it will be any different for iPhone apps.
That said, there's nothing to stop people from releasing apps via their own web sites... provided Apple make the SDK publicly available. If it was any other company you could assume they will, but this is Apple we're talking about. They are the living embodiment of the term "control freak".
RE: Palm OS II
Correct Freako - however Apple has not yet stated that itunes will be the delivery mechanism for applications. All I've read is that there will be a vetting process to test and certify apps. Please provide a link that indicates apple will be strong-arming developers or blocking applications?
>If you want to sell music, video or iPod/iPhone games, you have to go through them. You have to agree to their
>pricing and their terms. It's not an open platform. There's no reason to suppose it will be any different for
>iPhone apps.
Like I said - stick to the facts - provide a link that describe that:
1. itunes will be the delivery mechanism for applications
2. pricing and terms for iphone applications
>That said, there's nothing to stop people from releasing apps via their own web sites... provided Apple make
>the SDK publicly available. If it was any other company you could assume they will, but this is Apple we're
>talking about.
Let's wait til February before speculating what form this SDK will take.
>They are the living embodiment of the term "control freak".
Whatever - keep drinking that Palm kool-aid!
RE: Palm OS II
The original comment was directed at Apple - not AT&T
Are people buying them and using them for business? I know seven people at work that are doing just that.
>Yes. There is no 3rd party apps for the iPhone for the next couple of months. And nobody but Steve Jobs knows
>what the SDK deal will be. The rest of us will see in February.
There are 3rd. party apps. today(!!!)
Are they using the soon to be released SDK - No!
>As for the thickness of the Treos, after using the original Nokia Communicator 9000 in the 90s, the Treos
>seem tiny!
LOL!
RE: Palm OS II
No worries. Is February okay with you?
RE: Palm OS II
Even in the most optimistic circumstances, Palm OS II is a brand new OS arriving in a marketplace that will have almost 2 years of iPhone development. Conservatively, there will be 10 million iPhones in circulation and the OS will be thoroughly de-bugged. Conservatively, there will be a developer community dying to write applications for that huge and expanding market. That's not to mention other smart phone companies that will have brought products to market by then. That's a very very brutal market place for Palm to be dropping a brand new untested product into, especially one that will require lots of developer support to make succeed.
RE: Palm OS II
No way am I arguing that! I just tire of people singing the praises of other devices and putting the boot into Palm, when these other devices have their own glaring flaws that are being conveniently overlooked in order to make the Treo look worse than it actually is.
Apps on the iPhone, for the record, is a fantastic thing that will really drive home the idea of mobile applications to the masses. But as a geek who likes to tinker and have control over what they install on their device, I very much prefer Palm's open-slather approach to third-party apps. Anyone can develop one and anyone can install one. You can sell it, you can do it as shareware, you can give it away for free.
Apple, on the other hand, have a proven track record of exerting rigid control over those who want to sell via iTunes. And if they decide to use iTunes to distribute iPhone apps - and why wouldn't they when it has been so successful for other forms of media? - then they'll want the same kind of control over the way iPhone apps are sold & distributed.
If they decide to allow open-slather third-part apps, I'll be the first to stand up and applaud. But it just doesn't fit with the Apple we've seen over the last few years.
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680
RE: Palm OS II
But the fact that people are annoying doesn't help the Treo's outlook, which is quite grim.
Forget copy and paste, the iPhone doesn't even do todos! In crucial ways it has less PIM function than the Clie I bought in 2000. But even with that glaring flaw, it makes no sense to buy a Treo right now. Even given the iPhone's limitations, why would the average consumer rationally lock themselves into Palm's OS for the next two years? Given the rate of change and innovation at Apple, it's impossible to imagine the iPhone not being a radically different and much more exciting device in six months, much less two years. The poor Treo might gain a few updates to marginal applications, but the essential outdated core OS isn't going anywhere. Half full of water, the Titanic still floats, but you're a darn fool to crack out a beer and get cozy on deck.
RE: Palm OS II
I very much prefer Palm's open-slather approach to third-party apps. Anyone can develop one and anyone can install one. You can sell it, you can do it as shareware, you can give it away for free.
You are referring to the same Palm OS which even Palm admits is no longer good enough for the job. The same Palm OS for which many developers no longer bother updating their applications.
Contrast this to the iPhone where developers have created several third party apps despite the lack of an official SDK for on device apps, in addition to the many web apps officially created for the iPhone. The floodgates will really open when Apple releases the on device SDK.
Apple, on the other hand, have a proven track record of exerting rigid control over those who want to sell via iTunes.
You are referring to the same Apple which gives away free developer tools with every Mac it sells and for which there are thousands of third party apps available.
- It's highly likely that the iPhone SDK will be a free download.
- It's even possible, given that the iPhone/iPod Touch are OS X devices, that their SDK will merely be a subset of the Mac SDK: creating an iPhone app may become as simple as ticking an "iPhone friendly" option on the Mac SDK and a recompile.
- those thousands of OS X applications suddenly become iPhone/iPod Touch applications and these devices effectively become de facto OS X UMPCs.
All of this going on whilst Palm labours on its next Palm on Linux which may "appear" in 2008/09.
Palm definitely has a lot to be worried about.
RE: Palm OS II
RE: Palm OS II
Any apps worth having will be rewrites - however it does appear that knowing how to develop for OS X puts you at a good advantage for developing for the iphone.
So what now for palm?
It's "over" but what happens to the corpse might be the question. A company can cling to life for a LONG time if they're not severely in the red. Palm Inc probably will be able to stay above water for a bit.
Either they'll get bought up by someone else or they may end up defaulting to their creditors and have their assets put up for auction. They may end up in bankruptcy court and then reemerge as one of those little has-been companies with four people working for it (Amiga or something)
They may end up under the control of a creditors group like enron: http://www.enron.com/corp/
It could be that they'll auction off the rights to the brand and then just die.
So it's fate is basically sealed, it's just a question of what will happen to the remnants.
RE: So what now for palm?
My guess would be a cash-rich Asian firm looking to get more than a toehold in the US market. Think Haier, Lenovo, Acer, etc.
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
ARGH!
Sorry palm - see you in 2010.
iTouch/iPhone II here i come! Should be here within the next 8 months :-)
Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
http://sramanamitra.com/2007/09/14/eric-benhamou-the-saga-of-palm-part-3/
It is pretty clear for me PALM is very afraid to repeat the same mistake and run into the Osbourne effect once again.
I believe they all this '18 months' statements just a smokescreen, and ready to bet the house we will see new OS-based devices by next Christmas.
Palm will recover... one day
RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Want an alternative? Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.mepis.org/
RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
Eric Benhamou: I had put in place a CEO. Carl Yankowski. In fact I had introduced him before the IPO, I wanted the new management team to lead the road show and be in front of investors. They had been in place a few weeks prior to taking the company public and he basically ran the company through the 2000 timeframe and into early 2001.
"In another room, a few executives watched Carl Yankowski's interview on CNBC, taping it for playback at the employee meeting that was to commence in minutes. After CNBC announcers gushed over "the most talked-about IPO," the camera cut to Carl Yankowski in the Nasdaq studio. Usually a compelling public speaker, Yankowski seemed out of his element. When asked about larger screens for palmtops, he answered stiffly, "We are well positioned whichever way the market goes." As the interview came to a close, the reporter said, "I've got to ask you about your suit." Yankowski smiled. He was wearing a very special suit, he let on, designed to satisfy the public's high expectations from Palm's IPO. The shiny pinstripes woven into the otherwise standard wool suit were made from threads of pure gold. CNBC cut back to the studio anchor. "Was that for real?" he asked the correspondent. The Palm managers assembled around the TV set looked at each other. "We're not showing this video," one of the executives decreed. Then they walked out to start the employee meeting." - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471089656/
RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
Palm Taps AT&T's Nagel To Lead Software Unit
3:13 PM EDT Mon. Aug. 27, 2001
"Palm's plan to create two independent leading companies--one focused on platform software and licensing, the other on hardware and software handheld solutions--takes another significant step forward with Nagel at the helm," of the future platform unit, said Palm chairman Eric Benhamou.
RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
"Death can come swiftly to a market leader. By the time you have lost the positive-feedback cycle it's often too late to change what you've been doing, and all of the elements of a negative spiral come into play." - Bill Gates, "The Road Ahead", Chapter 3
"In this business, by the time you realize you're in trouble, it's too late to save yourself. Unless you're running scared all the time, you're gone." - Bill Gates
RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
Under-promise, and UNDER-under-deliver.
RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
Hahahaha. A great quote on the day Leopard debuts -- and MS tries to tout its new anorexic MinWin/WinMin thing...
RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
Microsoft Soars 11% After Blowout Q1 On Vista Demand
October 25, 2007: 08:05 PM EST
Oct. 26, 2007 (Investor's Business Daily delivered by Newstex) --
Software giant Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) looked like the growth company of old Thursday when its latest earnings report smashed Wall Street's expectations.
Microsoft MSFT said sales rose 27% to $13.76 billion for the quarter that ended Sept. 30 vs. the same period last year. It was the fastest first-quarter revenue growth for the company since 1999.
Earnings per share rose 29% to 45 cents, 15% over views -- the largest margin in at least three years.
"Microsoft hit it out of the park this quarter," said Morningstar analyst Toan Tran. The company did well across the board, but got the biggest boost from its workhorse Windows and Office products, Tran says.
RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
Nope. Over 88 million Vistas have been sold, and even if that number includes those that are bundled with PC (and wiped out by smart people for Ubuntu), and nobody has bought a Vista from a a store, that's still 4,4 billion bucks.
Get your vintage Palm
RE: Get your vintage Palm
RE: Get your vintage Palm
Not sure if how I'll get it into the SD slot though, I suppose I'll just use my USB connect turntable and record it into MP3... :)
RE: Get your vintage Palm
Zombies
[Start Biting Chumps] [Ignore]
WSJ says expect gphone announcement in 2 weeks
The most radical element of the plan, though, is Google's push to make the phones' software "open" right down to the operating system
About Effin' time we have a truly open mobile platform.
if mobile software is cooked up poorly, the whole phone could take a dive. Even simple email software has a way of making my Palm Treo behave like an expensive paperweight
He must have a 700p...
At least open code means that any developer is empowered to fix any bugs that turn their devices into expensive paperweights.
USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone
RE: WSJ says expect gphone announcement in 2 weeks
[may be an OS/server, not a phone, but we'll find out for sure soon!]
RE: WSJ says expect gphone announcement in 2 weeks
Can you elaborate a bit more? Or provide a link? Are you saying the Gphone will run on the VZW backbone?
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Motorola's PalmOS phone
The site lists Windows Mobile 6 as the OS, funny though.
Latest Comments
- I got one -Tuckermaclain
- RE: Don't we have this already? -Tuckermaclain
- RE: Palm brand will return in 2018, with devices built by TCL -richf
- RE: Palm brand will return in 2018, with devices built by TCL -dmitrygr
- Palm phone on HDblog -palmato
- Palm PVG100 -hgoldner
- RE: Like Deja Vu -PacManFoo
- Like Deja Vu -T_W
White flag?
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What do you think, sirs?