HP Reaffirms webOS Smartphone Intentions

HP has released a prepared statement, by way of engadget, on the recent stir over comments made by HP CEO Mark Hurd yesterday. Apparently the reasoning is that smartphones are indeed amongst the range of devices they have in mind for webOS. The prspeak reads:

When we look at the market, we see an array of interconnected devices, including tablets, printers, and of course, smartphones. We believe webOS can become the backbone for many of HP's small form factor devices, and we expect to expand webOS's footprint beyond just the smartphone market, all while leveraging our financial strength, scale, and global reach to grow in smartphones.

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Hey, Hurd

richf @ 6/3/2010 4:43:09 PM # Q
Hey, buddy could you please get all your people to say the same thing. Typical big company. Left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. This is increasing my stress level. Gotta go take an Ativan.
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RE: Hey, Hurd
mikecane @ 6/3/2010 6:12:05 PM # Q
I really really really doubt we will see anything past the Pre and Pixi. And if we do, they will be totally craptastic. HP is not good at the phone thing.
RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 6:36:36 PM # M Q
Perhaps why HP bought Palm?

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
hkklife @ 6/3/2010 6:39:13 PM # Q
Don't forget the C40! It's been making the rounds of the rumormill for a loooooong time. The most recent reports indicate that it's a "similar but different" and vastly improved version of the Pre. Some say it'll be WiMax and others say 3G. I'm not holding my breath!

That said, I think Palm has/had very little in the pipeline past the 1-2 punch of the Pre/Pixi of 2009.


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RE: Hey, Hurd
Gekko @ 6/3/2010 7:00:25 PM # Q

nobody can argue with Hurd's track record. this man has single-handedly turned around HP since he took over the CEO spot. i'm not really a fan of HP but Hurd has done a great job for stockholders and the company. he knows what he's doing.

RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 10:39:11 PM # M Q
Palm's IP was purchased. Some of that IP resides between the ears of the staff. It is a team effort.

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 10:39:43 PM # M Q
Palm's IP was purchased. Some of that IP resides between the ears of the staff. It is a team effort.

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 10:40:20 PM # M Q
Palm's IP was purchased. Some of that IP resides between the ears of the staff. It is a team effort.

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
richf @ 6/5/2010 6:07:17 AM # Q
Just decided to do a little research on HP phones. As of now it looks like they only offer one smartphone. There is nothing that would cause me to make a purchase of one of these. Their only salvation, it appears to me, is to offer a webos device. It is interesting to note that next to the phone icon is an icon for a Ipaq pda. I did not look at this as right now I can't see them offering a pda running webos. However that would be an interesting choice. Looks to me like these devices are more for enterprise application. Look at this for what it is worth...http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=handheld&category=Smartphone&lanAttr=Type&orderflow=1&lanAttr=Type&a2=See+all&v2=iPAQ&catLevel=3#bcAnchor
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RE: Hey, Hurd
rpa @ 6/5/2010 7:26:50 AM # Q
richf: not bad looking hardware...and the price is reasonable if it was unlocked (but it's locked to AT&T). I'll hold off to see if HP refreshes their iPac line with WebOS even as a PDA. If WebOS still requires a data plan after HP tweaks it, it won't work for me as a phone due to all the international roaming I do.
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IP property

philpalm @ 6/4/2010 7:01:08 AM # Q
IP property is still great, a company like Sony did a great licensing job with Clie. Let's hope the brains that wer working on the tablet team can do miracles with WebOS.

Basically I think the brains with the smartphone aspect have escaped, hopefully HP has shut the barn door on the brains and personnel that left Palm...

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EVO 4G

Gekko @ 6/4/2010 8:42:01 AM # Q

what can i say that hasn't already been said by all of the reviews already posted. i've played with this thing for the last few hours and it's just killer. HTC did a great job. go play with one.
RE: EVO 4G
hkklife @ 6/4/2010 9:13:24 AM # Q
Thanks for answering some of these if & when time permits.

1. Is the backlight bleed-thru as bad as some reviews have said?

2. Any issues with the capacative touch buttons (home, search, menu, back) below the screen being overly sensitive? The ones on my Droid are very easily triggered.

3. Initial thoughts on the PIMs compared to Garnet? Did any of your contact fields or categories get corrupted in the Palm Desktop to Outlook to Gmail transition? Any issues yet with something started in Sense not migrating over to the Gmail cloud? Did all of your carefully calculated plans of PIM data migration + FTP access work the way you planned?

4. Any issues with the phone app dialing extra digital (for example, let's say I have 5 phone numbers listed for Person X: home 1, home 2, mobile, work 1, and work 2. With Garnet I could add a note in the phone number field such as "Home: 111-555-2222 (beach house) or something. But Android attempts to dial the 111-555-2222 number plus the numeric equivalents for b-e-a-c-h-h-o-u-s-e. Very annoying.

5. Does the protruding camera lens look as if it could be easily scratched? That's my one worry. The boss' HD2 has already got some scuffs on the lens after <2 months' of use.

6. Does the kickstand seem like a nice inclusion or a silly novelty? I think I'd rather have seen the space used for a larger capacity battery.

7. Is the camera fairly usable? I've seen sample stills & videos online and they range from very good to fairly lame.
8. I think I recall you saying you played with the HD2 in a T-Mob store a while back. Does the Evo feel just as well-built as the HD2?

9. Does the lack of a d-pad or trackball bother you at all so far? Does the touchscreen seem dead-on accurate? My Droid started to "drift" after about 6-8 weeks and there's no way to calibrate it. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, something it's overly sensitive and other times it's just fine. Reminds me of the old T|T days. I'm also curious as to real-world battery life after you've had a few days wth it (since I'd say your usage habits are probably rather similar to mine).

10. Just out of curiosity, what Sprint package do you have ? The $100 Simply Everything plan? I am seriously thinking about jumping ship in the coming months if Verizon doesn't bring out a very strong Android device w/ a real keyboard.
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/4/2010 9:45:14 AM # Q

hkk - thanks for the questions -

1. Is the backlight bleed-thru as bad as some reviews have said?

i heard about this. no bleed-thru on my unit. i went into dark closet to check.

2. Any issues with the capacative touch buttons (home, search, menu, back) below the screen being overly sensitive? The ones on my Droid are very easily triggered.

no they are Goldilocks PERFECT. responsive yet not too sensitive.

3. Initial thoughts on the PIMs compared to Garnet? Did any of your contact fields or categories get corrupted in the Palm Desktop to Outlook to Gmail transition? Any issues yet with something started in Sense not migrating over to the Gmail cloud? Did all of your carefully calculated plans of PIM data migration + FTP access work the way you planned?

the PIMs are fine so far. like anything else - after 10+ years of doing the same thing you need to have an open mind and learn new better ways. nothing got corrupted. i used Centro-->EAS->Nuevasync---->Gmail. "AndFTP" is a great app that lets me do free FTP to Cloud. free PUSH email is awesome too.

4. Any issues with the phone app dialing extra digital (for example, let's say I have 5 phone numbers listed for Person X: home 1, home 2, mobile, work 1, and work 2. With Garnet I could add a note in the phone number field such as "Home: 111-555-2222 (beach house) or something. But Android attempts to dial the 111-555-2222 number plus the numeric equivalents for b-e-a-c-h-h-o-u-s-e. Very annoying.

have no experienced this yet.

5. Does the protruding camera lens look as if it could be easily scratched? That's my one worry. The boss' HD2 has already got some scuffs on the lens after <2 months' of use.

YES - this is a design flaw IMO. the device literally rests on the back camera glass. im not sure if this will do much harm but i wont be laying the EVO on hard scratchy surfaces if i can help it. nothing a body glove case can't fix. i'm going naked and careful.

6. Does the kickstand seem like a nice inclusion or a silly novelty? I think I'd rather have seen the space used for a larger capacity battery.

the kickstand is awesome. when you have 4.3" display like this you want to prop it up and watch movies. Mike Cane types would be all over this. 4G HQ YouTUBE is cool.

7. Is the camera fairly usable? I've seen sample stills & videos online and they range from very good to fairly lame.

i have not tested camera/stills/videos at all yet. going out with buddies tonight for a night of debauchery so i will try to test then.

8. I think I recall you saying you played with the HD2 in a T-Mob store a while back. Does the Evo feel just as well-built as the HD2?

the HD2 was good build. the EVO is BETTER built IMO. higher build quality IMO. feels so solid and high quality. YET THIN.

9. Does the lack of a d-pad or trackball bother you at all so far? Does the touchscreen seem dead-on accurate? My Droid started to "drift" after about 6-8 weeks and there's no way to calibrate it. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, something it's overly sensitive and other times it's just fine. Reminds me of the old T|T days. I'm also curious as to real-world battery life after you've had a few days wth it (since I'd say your usage habits are probably rather similar to mine).

i havent missed not having a trackball yet. no need for one IMO with capactive touchscreen. and HTC keyboard includes arrows if needed.

10. Just out of curiosity, what Sprint package do you have ? The $100 Simply Everything plan? I am seriously thinking about jumping ship in the coming months if Verizon doesn't bring out a very strong Android device w/ a real keyboard.

$99/month Unlimited Everything - Voice+Data+Texts+GPS+TV+Radio

+$10/month for 4G allegedly.

Free Device Upgrade 1X per year.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/4/2010 9:47:18 AM # Q
>Does the touchscreen seem dead-on accurate? My Droid started to "drift" after about 6-8 weeks and there's no way to calibrate it. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, something it's overly sensitive and other times it's just fine. Reminds me of the old T|T days. I'm also curious as to real-world battery life after you've had a few days wth it (since I'd say your usage habits are probably rather similar to mine).

touchscreen is very sensitive and accurate so far.


RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/4/2010 12:02:21 PM # Q
>>>Mike Cane types would be all over this.

I've told you louts to stop invoking my name like this in your damned posts. I have a frikkin LifeDrive, why the hell would I want another small screen for video? And one that CAN'T do DiVX/XViD AVI too? I want the Archos 7 HT for that.

HTC EVO 4G: Nice Hardware, Horrible Sprint Software
http://grack.com/blog/2010/06/03/htc-evo-4g-nice-hardware-horrible-sprint-software/

Zzzzzz. Next week the iPhone 4 will be out. The EVO will become a footnote.

Next!

RE: EVO 4G
hkklife @ 6/4/2010 12:14:37 PM # Q
LifeDrive: 3.8" 320x480 LCD with no hardware acceleration, a feeble CPU, maximum 4GB internal + 4GB SD card support and an archaic, buggy OS.

Evo 4G: 4.3" 480x800 LCD with hardware acceleration, 1Ghz CPU, 1GB internal storage + 32GB memory card support (8GB card standard), HDMI output and a reasonably fast, modern OS. And a kickstand too!

Be patient, sir. I am sure an Android solution for DiVX/XVID will come along eventually. The platform is approaching such critical mass that it HAS to "grow up" eventually!

BTW, I fondled an Archos 5 tablet the other day and it felt horribly cheap and plasticky (but still has nice specs for the price)! The screen sensitivity and accuracy left a lot to be desired as well. I think Dell is going to end up being champ in the 5" screen category...but I still say 5" is the odd size out. Too big for yer pocket and too small to be a good PMP! 7"+ is the sweet spot.

The Evo will NOT become a footnote thanks to AT&T's recent pricing shenanigans. Aside from potential battery life, camera lens scratch, and no optical d-pad (all easily addressible if HTC feels it necessary in a 12-month refresh), it's the first "no glaring deficiency" smartphone to hit the market.

Also, Apple pulling a Palm and going backwards in screen size while still refusing to even give us a microSDHC slot or a user-replacable battery isn't helping matters much. iPhone will continue to lead the industry but eventually Jobs will have to dump AT&T for greener pastures if Android keeps gaining momentum at its current rate. Android still has a LONG way to go but even I must admit that its rate of improvements & adoption over the past 8-9 months has been staggering.
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RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/4/2010 4:05:16 PM # Q
>>>LifeDrive: 3.8" 320x480 LCD with no hardware acceleration, a feeble CPU, maximum 4GB internal + 4GB SD card support and an archaic, buggy OS.

>>>Evo 4G: 4.3" 480x800 LCD with hardware acceleration, 1Ghz CPU, 1GB internal storage + 32GB memory card support (8GB card standard), HDMI output and a reasonably fast, modern OS. And a kickstand too!

Shut up, you moron.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/6/2010 9:38:09 AM # M Q
So have any of you played with an EVO yet? I'm posting from it now. 24+ hours since purchase and it keeps getting better. Go check it out! Give it a little time to get used to a whole new modern OS but the hardware software and web integration is truly awesome. And the ability to customize your experience in so many ways is head spinning.
RE: EVO 4G
e_tellurian @ 6/6/2010 12:58:11 PM # M Q
You seem happy. Your joy is my joy.

Seems like you made a good choice for your wants and needs

E-T

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/6/2010 2:19:22 PM # Q
>>>So have any of you played with an EVO yet?

No. I saw two posters for it. About as close as I expect to come to it.

TOMORROW, new iPhone. Your EVO will become a footnote again.

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/7/2010 6:35:30 AM # Q
HTC EVO 4G sets new sales records for Sprint
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/07/htc-evo-4g-blows-away-sprints-first-day-sales-records/

>>>So, take the two previous record holders, tally up both of their sales for their first three days. The EVO sold three times that total in just one day.

Bah. The iPhone 4 will do a MULTIPLE of EVO one-day sales in its FIRST HOUR on sale.

Gekko, you're getting an iPhone 4, baby! LMAO!

so much for blaming Sprint
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 7:34:18 AM # M Q
that putz Ruby and the apologists all blamed Sprint. If you build a good phone they will come.no excuses.
RE: EVO 4G
sbono13 @ 6/7/2010 8:28:13 AM # Q
'The iPhone 4 will do a MULTIPLE of EVO one-day sales in its FIRST HOUR on sale."

Probably not-- EVO probably sold 300K on day 1, which is about 75% of what the iPhone 3GS did on launch (and that's with 2 weeks of preorders and on 20 carriers). iPhone 4 is selling into a bigger market, and it might out-launch the 3GS, but I think Android's taken a LOT of wind out of Apple's sales.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 8:58:52 AM # M Q
Hkk and any other Android Converts - Check out Calendar Pad - free App in market. Pretty good replacement for old PalmOS pim.
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 12:24:10 PM # M Q
Iphone 4 is pretty dull. My EVO blows it away. Of course the "Mike Cane Types" are easily fooled by hype.
RE: EVO 4G
DarthRepublican @ 6/7/2010 3:19:29 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:
So have any of you played with an EVO yet? I'm posting from it now. 24+ hours since purchase and it keeps getting better. Go check it out! Give it a little time to get used to a whole new modern OS but the hardware software and web integration is truly awesome. And the ability to customize your experience in so many ways is head spinning.

I played with it today at a Sprint store downtown. Very sweet hardware. I did some side by side comparison tests with my Palm Pre and even though my Pre is overclocked to 800MHz, the EVO beat it quite handily. Sprint did its usual bang up job by putting an black zip tie across the lower middle of the screen so it was hard to test the virtual keyboard but given that handicap, I really liked typing on the EVO keyboard.

Having said that, I found myself wishing the EVO had webOS. The Pre's UI just flows better than Android's. One annoying little quirk is that the EVO model that I played with would only switch from portrait to landscape if I turned it counterclockwise which wouldn't normally be problem except that the ugly black zip tie made the clockwise turn less convenient. My Pre on the other hand, will switch orientations in whichever direction I turn it - clockwise, counterclockwise, or upside down.

But overall a very nice piece of hardware.
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 4:00:14 PM # Q

>One annoying little quirk is that the EVO model that I played with would only switch from portrait to landscape if I turned it counterclockwise which wouldn't normally be problem except that the ugly black zip tie made the clockwise turn less convenient. My Pre on the other hand, will switch orientations in whichever direction I turn it - clockwise, counterclockwise, or upside down.

glad you got to check it out.

this is getting fixed along with some other minor tweaks and even faster speed in the next Android update 2.2 aka Froyo -

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-22-froyo-video-walkthrough-nexus-one

RE: EVO 4G
DarthRepublican @ 6/7/2010 4:13:39 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:
that putz Ruby and the apologists all blamed Sprint. If you build a good phone they will come.no excuses.

That's one theory. My theory is that perhaps Sprint finally learned a lesson about arbitrarily disabling features. The Pre for example, like the EVO, is perfectly capable of acting as a wifi hotspot, a feature which stodgy, old Verizon actively promoted when they finally got the Pre. Sprint on the other hand disabled this feature along with any kind of tethering that was not purchased as an expensive add-on.

http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009/6/15/sprint-warns-against-palm-pre-tethering-hacking.html

And the Palm Pixi didn't even have wifi until it got to Verizon.

All this proves is that Sprint has never had a decent selling phone until now and all those failures can't be someone else's fault. Sprint has to share in the blame.
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 5:50:03 PM # Q

tethering? wow that's a stretch. come up with some better excuses please. maybe you and Beersie can uncover the conspiracy behind the Fooleo debacle too. maybe the CIA was behind it?

RE: EVO 4G
DarthRepublican @ 6/7/2010 11:47:22 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:

tethering? wow that's a stretch. come up with some better excuses please. maybe you and Beersie can uncover the conspiracy behind the Fooleo debacle too. maybe the CIA was behind it?

Just one example of how Sprint has traditionally undermined itself. Whether it's by limiting access to low-cost plans like SERO or by limiting advanced features like tethering, Sprint has traditionally shot itself in the foot almost as much Palm has with the Foleo debacle being only one of many examples.
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RE: EVO 4G
rpa @ 6/8/2010 6:47:32 AM # Q
Gekko: on Calendar Pad, can you set the timezone for individual events? As an international traveler, this feature alone is worth sticking with my Centro. Most calendars either shift all events relative to the new time zone (a disaster) or none. Thx for the Android updates.
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/8/2010 7:17:10 AM # Q
>>>Iphone 4 is pretty dull. My EVO blows it away.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH and HAHAHAHAHAHAHA and HAHAHAHAHAHAAH too.

No gyroscope for you!

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 7:46:46 AM # Q

rpa - Calendar Pad is simply a front face for the default Calendar App, so it really just gives you another customized "view" into the default Calendar. i actually stopped using it for this reason. i'm starting to like the Default Android Calendar - it's starting to grow on me. it takes a little getting used to after 11+ years with the PalmOS Calendar but it has its advantages. you just have to learn to do things a little differently. just because they are different does not mean that they are worse. nobody likes change at first but change is the only way we improve and advance.

not sure what the Android Default Calendar and OS does for different time zone events. i can check into it for you if you give me a specific question or scenario. and your outcome may vary depending on what Calendar you sync with ie Google, Outlook, EAS, etc. i use The Google.

RE: EVO 4G
rpa @ 6/8/2010 8:32:39 AM # Q
Gekko: thanks for the reply. Palm is my primary calendar and Outlook running on the desktop is my backup as I use Outlook for mail and Outlook calendar is useful for posting email invitations to events. Palm is what I carry around (obviously) and refer to as the working calendar.

I can link a weekly event like a conference call to Hong Kong's timezone and the time will shift relative to the new timezone so a 10 am call in HK will become 7 pm the day before when I am on the West Coast. GREAT. However, if I want to meet someone at 4 pm on Thursday when I am in Seattle, I can just put the time in at 4 pm on Thursday w/o any timezone link (Palm's default) and the event stays at 4 pm Thursday even when I change the clock from Hong Kong's time to Seattle's. Whoever added this feature to Palm's calendar knew what they were doing. I tried a Nokia for a week but a change in the phone's clock/date shifted EVERY event in my calendar (a disaster) so I went back to Palm. Even my PC running Outlook 2003 shifts all events so I keep the PC's clock set at Hong Kong time regardless of where I am. This may sound like a trivial matter but it is a deal breaker for me. Every calendar app should have this feature (if any developers are reading....).

Thanks again for the Android updates.....feedback coming from a Palm user is very useful for us who are still clinging to Garnet.

RE: EVO 4G
richf @ 6/8/2010 9:30:04 AM # Q
Oh boy, this guy drank the Jobs cool aid. Well everyone has an opinion. I'm getting the vibe that he didn't hear about the EVO 4 as he was writing his fluff piece. With that in mind read this and smile if you wish...http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/with-artsy-vibe-apples-jobs-pushes-iphone-parity-out-of-rivals-reach/35557?tag=nl.e539
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 10:55:37 AM # Q
>I can link a weekly event like a conference call to Hong Kong's timezone and the time will shift relative to the new timezone so a 10 am call in HK will become 7 pm the day before when I am on the West Coast. GREAT. However, if I want to meet someone at 4 pm on Thursday when I am in Seattle, I can just put the time in at 4 pm on Thursday w/o any timezone link (Palm's default) and the event stays at 4 pm Thursday even when I change the clock from Hong Kong's time to Seattle's.

this has my head spinning. i think my ADD kicked in.

not sure what Android does and i'm afraid to test this for fear of putting all my calendar events on Hong Kong time or worse. go play with an EVO with an open mind.


RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 10:57:40 AM # Q

Darth - what do you think the customer return rate will be on the EVO vs. the Pre/Pixi?
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