Rumor: Palm Layoffs Coming

Citing anonymous sources, Cnet is reporting a rumor that Palm intends another round of lay-offs in the next few weeks. When this will happen and how many people will be affected will depend on sales during the second half of November. This might total as many as 400 employees.

Earlier this year, Palm cut about 500 employees and contractors, reducing the company to approximately 1,300.

The company has been struggling for most of this year as it faced weak demand for its products as the world economy slowed. This has resulted in a price war as the Palm OS manufacturers fight over fewer customers, reducing prices and therefore cutting profits.

As part of this, its shareprice has dropped steadily. However, there can be little doubt that last year it was wildly overpriced. At it's all-time high of $160, Palm had a market capitalization greater than General Motors.

The company is in the process of re-organizing, changing out many of its unpopular top executives and splitting into hardware and software divisions.

Palm has been the subject of several rumors recently. Last week, its shareprice went up on a rumor that Microsoft was going to buy it. Earlier this week, it went up again on rumors that it would merge with Handspring, its biggest competitor. Yesterday, the shareprice dropped about 10%.

Thanks to Tomoto75 for the tip. -Ed

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it is true

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 10:58:41 AM #
this rumor is very true, the cuts are going to be announced next week.

RE: it is true
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 11:04:59 AM #
This will help the stock value in the short term. Then someone will notice that you need employees to roll out new products. Hmmm... has Palm done a deal with someone else to do their work for them? The mind will wonder.

Wonder if they are going to pull a Gateway
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/25/2001 5:00:39 PM #
So, if these layoffs are going to come again, you can kiss anything new coming from Palm good bye..
Just from talking with everyone at Palm they don't have the people to get anything done anymore. Looks like they fired all the worker bees and none of the manangers.. Someone told me more than 50% of the projects have been either canceled or so severely limited in staff that nothing is going forward.

Someone said, they may pull another "Gateway" and pull outof all international markets. That saves some cash in the short term but, you can forget about ever going back into those markets in the future.... Just a thought...

cesspool of nepotism
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/25/2001 6:27:37 PM #
http://www.palm.com/about/corporate/executive.html

Palm has 18 Vice Presidents who evidently can't get anything done. Most of these people are FAILED Apple employees who were fired at Apple. Of course, you also have a few losers from 3Com who are also helping steer the ship into oblivion. Palm has become a cesspool of nepotism for incompetent yet arrogant Apple-rejects. It's such a shame that these guys are in charge and are killing Palm. First and foremost, I blame Benhamou. As long as this guy is Chairman of the Board, Palm is destined for failure. He should stick to trying to repair 3COM - a company he also ruined. This guy makes bad decisions and he picks bad executives. Shareholders pay the price for his incompetence.

Great book for Apple Fans:
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/25/2001 6:49:51 PM #
fyi - This was a great, easy read - a very interesting inside-Apple perspective whether you agree with it or not:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0887309186/qid=1006732222/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_10_6/002-9804498-6684840

On the Firing Line : My 500 Days at Apple
by Gil Amelio, William L. Simon



RE: it is true
mikecane @ 11/26/2001 9:11:54 AM #
"First and foremost, I blame Benhamou. As long as this guy is Chairman of the Board, Palm is destined for failure."

Amen!

RE: Great book for Apple Fans:
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/26/2001 10:31:07 AM #
By the way, I forgot to mention that this book mentions a lot of current Palm executives (who once worked at Apple). Nagel is described as (paraphrased) "A College Professor who never made any hard decisions nor got anything done nor acted upon any decisions and who is looking to just eventually go back to teaching." And Satjiv Chahil is described as "Star-struck" and more interested in making friends in Hollywood than actually getting anything real done to help market products.

RE: it is true
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/26/2001 1:48:06 PM #
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Hmmm... has Palm done a deal with someone else to do their work for them? The mind will wonder.
<<

Actually, another company actually makes organizers for Palm; Palm just does the design work. This was cited as one of their strategic weaknesses in their annual report (since they have little control over production schedules, build quality, etc.).


Users claim Palm synching feature destroys PC motherboards
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/26/2001 6:01:42 PM #

FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 11:49:48 AM #
That one guy can license the OS and OUTSOURCE everything else with revenues. This will cut costs and improve efficiency. OUTSOURCE the marketing, legal, programming, production, distrubution, and everything else. Too much FAT at Palm now is killing them.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're not here to indulge in fantasy but in political and economic reality. Today, management has no stake in the company! All together, all these VP's own less than 3 percent of the company. And where did Mr. Yankowski put his million dollar salary/nonus? Not in PALM stock - he owned less than 1 percent! YOU own the company. That's right, you the stockholders, and you are all being royally screwed over by these, these BUREAUCRATS with their, their steak luncheons, their hunting and fishing trips, their, their corporate jets and golden parachutes! PALM has 33 different vice presidents, EACH earning over 500 thousand dollars a year. Now, I have spent the last two months analyzing what all these guys do and I still can't figure it out! One thing I do know is that this company lost over 200 million dollars last quarter and I'll bet that half of that was spent in all the paperwork going back and forth between all these vice presidents!!! The new law of evolution in corporate America seems to be Survival of the Unfittest. Well, in my book, you either do it right or you get eliminated.


RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 12:12:44 PM #
Nice rip off of the Gordon Gecko/Teldar Paper speech in Wall Street.

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 12:17:44 PM #
Life imitates Art.

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
skoty @ 11/21/2001 3:14:44 PM #
Thank goodness I sold my Palm stock at $4 5 months ago. They just kept going down. With the current news, I can see why. Lately I've doubled my money with Handspring though. They are certainly a better run company.

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 5:55:04 PM #
Heh...I've seen "Wall Street" enough to recognize that little sermon right away. ;-)

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 9:46:53 AM #
Is plagiarism the sincerest form of flattery? If so, you win the booby prize. What a knucklehead commentary!

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 4:55:16 PM #
Thanks, Genius. Now go back to pushing papers you friggin clerk.

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 8:57:49 PM #
What kind of "Gomer" writes this stuff. One guy...ludicrous. With your imagination you should be writing for Cosmo.

RE: FIRE EVERYBODY BUT ONE GUY!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 8:32:50 AM #
It was posted Anonymously, so why not just shut up and enjoy the irony? Or better yet, post something yourself which is either entertaining or informative (or at least an attempt) on this topic rather than just bittchin and complaining? Thank you.

playoffs?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 1:24:33 PM #
I new about the NBA playoffs, but I didn't know Palm had theirs also...

RE: playoffs?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 6:25:48 PM #
You "new" huh?

In your attempts to be humorous you ended up look like an imbecile.

Its unfortunate that there is no way to filter half-wits from these boards. As great as this site is, it's not what it use to be.

Its the price you have to pay to be the best PALM site on the WWW. Kudos to Ed for making such a great site.

Thier, their... Its ok that he new.
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/24/2001 2:55:38 PM #
Git yer heads out of your arses and lighten up a bit. We're all here to have fun and learn more about Palms. Try to relax a little.

Another Evil legacy of Yankerkowski

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 1:54:27 PM #
Another evil legacy of Yankerkowski and his Keebler Elves. His legacy lives on. Too bad for the employees. The holidays will be without mirth.

These idiot "managers" who defiled Palm must pay for their crimes against shareholders, customers, and employees. The management team should be taken out and beaten to death. Better yet, we should send them via parachute to Kandahar in Afghanistan where they can meet some real justice.



RE: Another Evil legacy of Yankerkowski
madhatter @ 11/21/2001 3:09:15 PM #
"The management team should be taken out and beaten to death. Better yet, we should send them via parachute to Kandahar in Afghanistan where they can meet some real justice."

Dude.. get a grip. Not everyone makes the best decisions all the time. It does not mean they are bad people. You need to tone down the rhetoric some. I know there are some excellent managers within the Palm organization...


A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: Another Evil legacy of Yankerkowski
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 8:19:33 AM #
This guy contributed to

1) Stock prices
2) Job cuts
3) 6 months behind on innovation and nothing eye popping in the pipeline. This is sure death in the tech sector.

Look what Sony has done in the past 5 months compared to Palm. He sucked as Palms CEO

RE: Another Evil legacy of Yankerkowski
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 7:23:34 PM #
It's wasn't Evil, it was just INCOMPETENCE. The "Peter Principle" struck again.


This guy is obsessed with Yankowski
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/24/2001 2:59:40 PM #
This twit who keeps posting the "Keebler elf" messages seems to have a few screws loose. He's been obsessing about this for months now. He's probably posted over 100 messages here complaining about Yankowski!

Get a life, buddy. Neither Yankowski nor anyone else gives a rat's you-know-what about what you think about Yankowski.

RE: Another Evil legacy of Yankerkowski
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/26/2001 9:44:52 PM #
Frankly, I'm sick-and-tired of idiots who defend Palm management. Idiots like the dolt who responded about the "twit who posted about Keebler Elves" or something like that.

Well, idiot, if you're posting on the behalf of Yankowski you need to get a stop bending over for THE MAN. What the heck is Yankowski paying you? FUDGE PACKIN' COOKIES or something?

Get outa here.


Palm Layoffs Coming

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 3:33:24 PM #
It's a shame. I feel sorry for all of the employees who will be out of a job for the holidays. I am sad for the children who will not get Christmas gifts as a result. When bad management decisions are made, it impacts the lower paid people the most. This Thanksgving, let's all take a moment and stop bickering about which PDA is "best" and just be thankful for what we have. As Kid Rock said recently when asked about how hard it was on him to have to shoot videos in the cold weather, he said: "Are you kidding me? I got nothing to bittch about...so I don’t."


RE: Palm Layoffs Coming
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 5:20:04 PM #
HANDSPRING ROCKS!

RE: Palm Layoffs Coming
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 8:24:02 AM #
Troll...

Just wondering......

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 9:11:59 PM #
Could the layoff be because of a possible merger with Handspring?

It would make sense to release all duplicate positions in both companies prior to the announcement especially given the huge number of possible redundancies we hear (~400).

The clincher might come if Handspring announces some layoffs too.

RE: Just wondering......
Coyote67 @ 11/22/2001 3:15:54 AM #
Does make sense doesn't it? But I find the most obvious answer is often the answer. Palm is probably just having hard times, sadly.

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RE: Just wondering......
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/26/2001 2:52:47 AM #
Palm would benefit from two things:
1) Jeff Hawkings as their CEO
2) The HandSpring Treo which can be their platform for a wireless communicator. Palm is behind in launching their wireless products and I think they can gain by taking what HandSpring has already created and building upon it.


If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 3:21:12 PM #
I am sure Palm would not need to have layoffs if their m505 had a brighter backlight like the Sony Clie N760c and the Compaq iPaq. I so much want to recommend the m505 to my friends, but the poor backlight really bothers me. Why is it taking Palm so long to fix this flaw/limitation?!?!

If the upcoming Sony T600c, which is a tiny bit smaller than the m505 and is supposed to have a brighter color screen than the Sony N760, comes to the U.S. before Palm's upcoming m525, I'll be switching to Sony.

RE: If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 5:56:44 PM #
The new T series have serious problems about backlight. It is worse than the S series. I cannot find the link right now, but I remember it is from a Chinese site. They already have full pictures/reviews of the unit.

RE: If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 9:11:46 PM #
He is talking abt the color unit. The T-600C is not even out yet. I do not think anyone can get hold of the T600C. Considering how bright the N760C is, it will be stupid for Sony to release something worse than that.

RE: If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 9:26:28 PM #
RE: If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!
popko @ 11/22/2001 11:02:29 PM #
RE: If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!
Altema @ 11/23/2001 10:38:18 AM #
I have to agree. If the M505 had a frontlight that made people smile instead of look confused, they would have been flying off the shelves. Not that they are collecting dust, as I have come across stores that have been sold-out,.. but across-the-board sales would have been better. Actually, sales would have been better if there was improved quality control. There is a gross variation in screen brightness, with most of the initial devices being too dim, some being acceptable, and a few being nicely bright. My wife has one of the bright ones, and my current one is almost as bright, but has a slight purple hue to the frontlight when viewed in darkness. As fate would have it, my wife's M505 met it's death on thanksgiving due to a rollover accident. She had it in bed, and rolled over it!

I dread sending it in because Palm will probably put a complete screen in the thing, rather than replacing the glass top, and our example of "See, they're not all dim, look at this one" will be but a memory.

RE: If only the m505 had a brighter backlight!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 11:40:14 AM #
From the photo , T600's screen is even brighter than 710, so M50x now is only a joke.

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