PalmSource Participating in EclipseCon

PalmSource today announced it is participating in EclipseCon 2005, March 1 – 2 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Burlingame, California.  Located in booth 513, the Company will demonstrate Palm OS Developer Suite.

"Palm OS Developer Suite demonstrates PalmSource's commitment to its 380,000-plus registered developers to provide best-in-class tools to create next-generation wireless applications for ARM-based Palm Powered phones and wireless mobile devices," said Dino Brusco, vice president of technical services at PalmSource. "We believe the suite simplifies the development process and allows for the creation of native applications that leverage the more than 100 new APIs in the new Palm OS Cobalt SDK."

Palm OS Developer Suite
Palm OS Developer Suite 1.1 is designed to enable the development of next generation multimedia and wireless applications for ARM- and 68K-based Palm Powered devices. Palm OS Developer Suite 1.1 includes an open source Integrated Development Environment (IDE) based on Eclipse, originally developed by IBM. Eclipse is a commercial-quality, best-in-class IDE with several hundred plug-in tools that support major software languages including C, C++, Java, and COBOL. Palm OS Developer Suite 1.1, is available free of charge to all PalmSource registered developers.

Key features of Palm OS Developer Suite 1.1 include:

  • Support for development of Palm OS Protein applications (x86 and ARM), 68K applications, and PACE Native Objects
  • Based on the open-source Eclipse IDE, version 3.0 and Eclipse C/C++ Developer Tools, version 2.0
  • Managed Make support eliminates need to manually edit makefiles
  • Integrated debugging support for Palm OS Simulators, Palm OS Emulator, and most devices with serial or USB connectivity
  • Standalone Palm OS Resource Editor with support for XRD resource format
  • Integrated build environment and command-line build tools bundled SDKs and simulators for Palm OS Garnet (5.4 and earlier) and Palm OS Cobalt (6.1)

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PalmLinux™ vs. Cobalt vs. PalmOS 5.x??? 5.x wins...

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/2/2005 1:32:18 AM # Q
Ben Combee: is anyone actually developing for Cobalt? Let's cut the BS. Developers have greeted Cobalt with a collective yawn. And with no Cobalt, how the hell does Palm expect to generate the momentum needed to smoothly segue into PalmLinux?

I expect PalmOS 5 will remain the dominant version of PalmOS for at least two more years. Assuming the platform lasts that long. Unfortunately, it's already been hacked as far as it can go and probably can't be advanced much more and still maintain stability/compatibility.

I believe we will be seeing more and more people hanging onto their older PDAs for a couple reasons: the new hardware has no "must-have" upgrades and PalmOS 5.x can be configured to do what 99.983% of Palm users tend to do with their PDA. Palm's sales this quarter will probably be its worst in several years. Apple is managing to create a buzz over a crap product (iPod shuffle). Palm needs to do the same for its own crap (T5).







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RE: PalmLinux™ vs. Cobalt vs. PalmOS 5.x??? 5.x wins...
hkklife @ 3/3/2005 9:32:12 AM # Q
Voice, I agree on all counts. Sad thing is, with OS development stagnated with OS 5.4.x, that makes it even more imperative for P1 to crank out stylish, well-designed, and WELL BUILT hardware. As I said a while back, since the retro thing is still in vogue, why don't they just crank out a Edge 2 and a proper Palm V/m500 successor? Put the T3 specs in either of the above formfactors and have at battery life that's at least marginally better than the T3 and it'll sell oodles to the enthusiasts out there. Or, heck, have a cut-down version available in general retail channels and have a beefed up version available straight from the P1 web store.
Short of the Treos, a cheap Zire and a midrange T|E2 type device, that's all P1 needs. I wish PS would at least release an in-house killer app bundle for OS5 devices consisting of a top-notch web browser & e-mail client. Have it run on everything from a T|T to Treo 600 to Zodiacs and sell it from the PS web site. If P1 won't give us Blazer for older Tungstens then let PS do it!

I'd love to see a tell-all piece on the soap opera that is PalmSource someday--former staffer, industry insider operating anonymously etc. I mean, we KNOW the ship is sinking but it'd be interesting to hear from one of the rats, if you catch my drift.

On the portable gaming/Nintendo Palm OS front:
Well, if Mike Cane's latest Nintendo rumor link turns out to be true, the Zodiac's fate has been sealed. Nintendo DS is going to run Palm OS PIM apps, so there goes the DS' chances of ruling the portable gaming market. Of course, they still sold more DSes on release day than Tapwave has sold Zodiacs in the past 18 months so that's a rather moot point. Nintendo still may be able to carve out a niche market for RTS/RPG titles on the DS and leave the action games on GBA2, with GBA mopping up the low end and kids' market. The portable gaming market is going to be huge in the next 2-3 years IMHO.

Sony could have absolutely swept up the market had it introduced a gaming-centric OS4 Clie 4 years ago (remember their snap-on Clie gamepad?) when you couldn't even get a backlit GameBoy. They could've bought out Sega and ported tons of 16-bit titles to Palm OS. Of course, the PSP was already on the long range drawing board even then.

RE: PalmLinux™ vs. Cobalt vs. PalmOS 5.x??? 5.x wins...
mikecane @ 3/3/2005 11:33:22 AM # Q
>>>Sony could have absolutely swept up the market had it introduced a gaming-centric OS4 Clie 4 years ago

Nah. You're talking a several-hundred-dollar Sony unit vs a -- what? -- hundred buck or less Nintendo device?

I don't think it'll be the DS running PalmOS. That's an ugly unit and I don't see older people carrying it and younger users will stick with games. If anything, Nintendo would probably unveil a new bit of hardware. That's if any of this has any truth to it, which I doubt.

RE: PalmLinux™ vs. Cobalt vs. PalmOS 5.x??? 5.x wins...
Strider_mt2k @ 3/3/2005 11:53:29 AM # Q
I just tried to pocket a friend's DS at work. Too damned big!

RE: PalmLinux™ vs. Cobalt vs. PalmOS 5.x??? 5.x wins...
hkklife @ 3/4/2005 10:55:23 AM # Q
I briefly owned a DS in the Nov/Dec timeframe. TOO big indeed! Makes the Zod seem absolutely svelte by comparison! I sold it (the DS) as quickly as I could. Regular GBA games look great as far as brightness, sharpness, and color but they couldn't be scaled up (even optionally) to utilize the entire screen space of the DS so they were rather letterboxed looking. In addition, I found the stylus an unwieldy beast at best (reminiscent of the old toothpick Clie styli!) and the d-pad was too small for my fat thumb. Let's not even get into the utter lack of games at launch, a problem that persists to this day.
I was unlucky to unload the DS for almost as much as I paid for it right before Christmas to a desperate parent.

Nintendo, if they play their cards right and sink a boatload of $ into it, *might* be able to spin this yet into an combination "advanced strategy/RPG game" console & middlin' PDA hybrid. Otherwise, the new GBA will cannibalize developers' attention/budgets and the interests of gamers in one fell swoop. Now, IF Nintendo gets greedy and doesn't make the new GBA backwards compatible with previous GBA titles, then you might as well start writing the eulogy now.



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Let's cut the BS.

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/2/2005 1:53:39 AM # Q
demonstrates PalmSource's commitment to its 380,000-plus registered developers


"380,000-plus developers"??? Yeah. Right. That rather "liberal" estimate of the developer community includes the 375,000 people that registered as developers simply to get access to POSE and the ROMs, or those special deals Palm put on to reduce its inventory glut.

Reminds me of those 20,000 + PalmOS apps often quoted as being available for the platform...





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RE: Let's cut the BS.
mikecane @ 3/2/2005 8:46:21 AM # Q
>>>Reminds me of those 20,000 + PalmOS apps often quoted as being available for the platform...

Well, there are. Except:

1) 19,000 are now incompatible, being too damned old

2) The remaining 1,000 duplicate functions, leaving

3) 500 unique functional programs, of which

4) 100 are even worth a try, and of which only

5) 50 that can even *try* to run on the T5 FRAM scheme...

RE: Let's cut the BS.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/3/2005 12:37:56 AM # Q
>>>Reminds me of those 20,000 + PalmOS apps often quoted as being available for the platform...

Well, there are. Except:

1) 19,000 are now incompatible, being too damned old

2) The remaining 1,000 duplicate functions, leaving

3) 500 unique functional programs, of which

4) 100 are even worth a try, and of which only

5) 50 that can even *try* to run on the T5 FRAM scheme...

I don't think anyone at Palm really gives a sh!t what people want or what is good design. They sat still and failed to innovate for so long that they don't really know how to improve themselves anymore. Ask yourself: What has Palm done since the Palm V design? The only other good Palm design was the Tungsten T3, and even that has now been plagued with quality control "issues".

I disagree with your assertion that old Palm apps don't work on the new PDAs. I have over 100 apps on my CLIE and over 1/4 of them were in use on my old TRGpro back in 1999. Some of them were even being used before that. It's a testament to how slick PalmOS is that a 6 year old program designed for primitive hardware can still work perfectly with the latest PDAs. Well coded apps tend to remain compatible year after year.







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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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RE: Let's cut the BS.
mikecane @ 3/3/2005 11:30:20 AM # Q
You're never satisfied. Even when I AGREE with you, you're a contentious SOB. I have some old apps too. But apps DID break in the 3->4 and 4->5 and now 5->5xes transitions. I had to wave bye-bye to apps. So did everyone else.

RE: Let's cut the BS.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/3/2005 4:18:49 PM # Q
Yeah. A lot of my apps broke too (like T9 and an app - can't remember its name - that could burn a permanent custom startup screen into FlashRAM). With so many Palm apps turning into abandonware, sometimes upgrading to a PDA with a new version of PalmOS just isn't worth it.

At this point I don't think I'll be buying any more PDAs. We have purchased enough dual wireless TH55 and UX50 to last several years and it seems unlikely that anyone will be bringing out a high quality PalmOS device any time soon. I think minilaptops like the Fujitsu P7010D http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P7D and the IBM X40 http://tinyurl.com/93zs and even smaller (e.g. 8 inch screens) are the future in combination with smartphones. PDAs seem to have blown their opportunity to make themselves indispensible business tools. The PalmOS PalmTop™ I have always advocated will never see the light of day now that Sony has bailed out on the sinking ship.

Palm's self-destruction has been spectacularly tragic. It was a fun ride while it lasted. Too bad Palm was hobbled by so many ineffectual ex-Apple employees as so-called "leaders". Someone like (I hate to say it) Steve Jobs could have turned Palm into a powerhouse hardware and OS company, but instead Palm will soon join Newton and PSION as footnotes in portable computing history. Oh well.





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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Coming Soon: Nintendo PalmOS?

mikecane @ 3/2/2005 9:07:52 AM # Q
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