Treo 700wx Confirmed for Verizon?

Rumor: After months of speculation, Engadget Mobile and Treo Central are reporting that the Treo 700wx is now unofficially confirmed for Verizon Wireless. An official rebate form on the Verizon online fulfilment site indicates that the 700wx is eligible for a $100 mail-in rebate. This has been verified by a screen-captured image posted to the Treo Central forums. This particular rebate offer expires on February 19th, meaning that the 700wx could either be ready for immediate launch to be within the eligibility of that rebate or Verizon could be prepping it to launch immediately after February 19th when their next rebate offer will begin.

The 700wx primarily improves on the 700w by doubling the amount of RAM in the device to 64mb and offering a few minor software updates and tweaks over the older 700w. The older 700wx, Palm's first Windows Mobile product and a Verizon Wireless exclusive offering, was announced in January of 2006. This model is likely on its way out and is eligible for a $150 rebate from Verizon under the same promotion.

Also worth noting is that the Treo 700p WOC (without camera) is listed on the rebate form. Until now, the camera-less 700p was only available for purchase in select markets. This new rebate form could be an indicator that Verizon is planning on making the 700p available nationwide with and without a camera.

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Official rumors

vetdoctor @ 2/3/2007 4:16:13 PM # Q
I'm excited to finally see the unofficial rumors upgraded to official. By the time the announcement comes we will all be yawning and wondering when the first rumors of the Treo 800 will come out.

Brainiac
RE: Official rumors
joad @ 2/4/2007 5:28:44 PM # Q
I think we already are....

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Treo 800?

vetdoctor @ 2/3/2007 4:24:39 PM # Q
Treo 800?¿!
I read somewhere there's a rumor of a Treo 800 soon to be released by Verizon or maybe Dominoes. I heard it will have a 100 MW microwave attached, HiFi speakers and a turntable. sorry no 3.5 earphone jack.

Brainiac
RE: Treo 800?
hkklife @ 2/3/2007 6:07:13 PM # Q
Actually, the Treo 755 AKA "Sherlock" is reportedly undergoing testing on Sprint right now, with an estimated June '07 availability.

Some thing the 755 is the 700p in the 680 formfactor, other think it's the 700wx in the 750 formfactor and others think it's Hawkin' secret 3rd business and/or the EVDO-enabled LifeDrive successor. Of course, the Treo 755 and the "Sherlock/Foleo" could be two (or three!) different products entirely!



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Treo 800?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/3/2007 6:18:18 PM # Q
Indeed.

Or no product at all.

RE: Treo 800?
joad @ 2/4/2007 5:04:14 PM # Q
...no sh*t, "Sherlock"? All these discussions seem moot when they haven't even released a firmware fix for the Bluetooth issues and other problems 700p owners have endured for the past 8 months or so....

Handspring had a real bad habit of using ROM rather than Flash RAM in their VISOR devices, saving a little money but screwing up support by being reliant on RAM-resident patches for the life of the product. Now that their legacy (the Treo) is capable of flashable system updates, they sit dormant...

SONY desktop and laptops are notorious for "once it's shipped, you update by buying a new one" as they seem to lock down everything, rarely release fixes, and basically ignore their customer unless they're back to buy another one.

Palm seems to be heading more and more in this direction, and it seems they are encountering more and more of a backlash (as I've heard about SONY) from those of us who don't want to be forced into buying a new computer-phone every year or so just to get the latest updates that any respectable company would automatically fix for any previous model sold under their name. Churn out broken models long enough (8 months without reliable BT handsfree!?!!!)and eventually your customers will find an alternative and probably not return.

How's AOL doing with their $25.00 dial-up, Palm? How many customers came back to them after they worked so diligently to shoo them away?

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700wx vrs 700w

drbuzz0 @ 2/3/2007 5:34:34 PM # Q
Remind me what the hell the difference is? IS it just that the wx has a wee bit more memory or am I missing something?

RE: 700wx vrs 700w
hkklife @ 2/3/2007 5:59:40 PM # Q
700wx has 2x the program memory (64mb vs. 32mb). SO basically it's much speeider, stable, and can actually multitask.

In addition it has a slightly newer version of Windows Mobile (nothing major, just bugfixes etc). The rumor is that the Verizon version will have AKU 3.3 standard and the Sprint version will have an update available later this spring.

Unfortunately, at least for Sprint, the threaded SMS feature so popular in the 700p is still AWOL on the 700wx. Threaded messaging does make an appearance on the newer Treo 750 and i think some enterprising types on Treo Central have gotten it to work on the wx.

In fact, some conspiracy theorists have speculated that the 700w and 700wx are in fact the EXACT same unit and the extra RAM was just "unlocked" via software. Assume what you want to from that theory...



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: 700wx vrs 700w
SeldomVisitor @ 2/3/2007 6:14:55 PM # Q
> ...In fact, some conspiracy theorists have speculated that
> the 700w and 700wx are in fact the EXACT same unit and the
> extra RAM was just "unlocked" via software. Assume what
> you want to from that theory...

Yup - that's me!

One minor (perhaps not!) correction, however.

I personally think the "extra" memory was obtained by deleting other software on the device and doing similar "optimizations" (like reducing buffers or whatever).

So..is the 700wx somewhat LESS functional than the 700W?

Say!

If this is NOT the case shouldn't these two devices be separately on the FCC site?...


RE: 700wx vrs 700w
ChiA @ 2/3/2007 8:32:35 PM # Q
Has anyone actually dissected both the 700wx and the 700w to see what's actually inside? Personally my money's on different RAM chips being soldered into what's otherwise the same hardware. No doubt the apologists will call it another example of Palm being innovative...
RE: 700wx vrs 700w
Gekko @ 2/3/2007 10:04:00 PM # Q

hkk - will you try the 700wx on VZW? Maybe you'll like WINMOB.

RE: 700wx vrs 700w
joad @ 2/4/2007 5:30:26 PM # Q
> Remind me what the hell the difference is?

The numbering system for the Treos is getting more and more confusing. I can understand the "p" and "w" suffixes, as it's useful in knowing what OS is on similar hardware.

But adding that dumb "X" prefix to indicate they screwed up on the initial release and didn't include access to enough internal memory is nutty. It's a legacy from the time they did that with those Palm V's, and noticed that their corporate "2MB ought to be enough for anyone" attitude was being severely undercut by Tony Rudenko and others making a windfall replacing the chips with 8MB ones. Almost a decade later and Palm is still making a mess of the product numbering by repackaging their lack of understanding their customer's needs as "innovation." Sheesh.

Why not make differentiate the model numbers by 1) type of radio (CDMA, GSM,etc), 2) carrier name (with a 651, 652, 721, etc), 3) Radio + OS, or SOME other way of defining model numbers that the average person can understand.

I am hoping to never need to switch to a WinceMob OS, but if I do I'll need a week to figure out the "logic" Palm used to number things. Treo 700p could simply be the Treo 651, where were the 49 models between the 650 and the 700p? Why does the Windows Mobile version (700w/wx) need to have the same exact number as the PalmOS number? And why is the next model released -20 below that (680... with NO "p" or "w" or "wx" designation)?

"Marketing buzz" at Palm seems to get all the prime seats on the bus, with "intelligent design" and "customer needs" relegated to the back of the bus or the roof rack. Maybe the model number isn't that important. ...But then again, what benefit do they gain by making their model number system so incomprehensible that the customer just ignores them and just calls anything that generically looks like a Treo, a Treo?


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Verizon 700wx web page

SeldomVisitor @ 2/16/2007 8:17:04 AM # Q
I don't know if it generically shows up - I use 20001 zipcode:

-- http://testman.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=2889

I believe that now suggests - fairly strongly - that the 700w is well past EOL.

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