Comments on: Rumor: Possible Images of the Treo 700p

Its also exactly what I expect the Treo 700p to be, and shadowmite appears to be convinced.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

From the charging light, it looks like a PhotoShop. I have seen fake charging lights before. It's a dead giveaway and way would Palm make it that shape and there?

Palm m125 December 25, 2002 to March 24 2004 > palmOne Zire 71 March 24, 2004 to March 31, 2005. Tapwave Zodiac 1 April 18, 2005 to November 2, 2005 > palmOne Zire 72 November 2, 2005 to present

BTW - take a look at this photo from last year, of what was most likely a pre-production 700p. It has the same home/menu key arrangement as the 650.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/ss.asp?f=mTreo1_L.jpg

Also, here some interesting facts so far as per reported over on shadowmite irc chat. Note all info below was posted in the chat:

-312 MHz Xscale CPU
-Palm OS 5.4.9
-BT spec unverifiable, BT 1.2? not sure
-1.3MP camera
-320x320 screen
-FAT32 driver support
-EVDO radio
-can receive call while on 1xEvDo, but cannot call and browse at the same time (limitation of 1xEvDo)
-new web like picture album interface, new facelift for alblum and pic apps
-menu key moved to bottom left shift spot
-was able to make receive call via Scala 500 BT headset
-flashing asterix replaced b little golden bell icon
-green button is talk button, phone button for contacts
-new "fast mode" in blazer
-No WiFi drivers installed and no ability to test a WiFi SD card
-HUGE NEW DBCACH SIZE!! >> 10MB!!!!

Meminfo results:
Flash total size: 64,336
Flash free minus couple apps installed: 54,172
NVFS dbCache size: 18,431
Dynamic heap: 10,240

AFAIK, this will be the first NVFS device with more than 10MB dbcache!

Anyhow, that's a brief synopsis...

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> AFAIK, this will be the first NVFS device with more than 10MB dbcache!

This is interesting, if true of course.
Unlike its nvfs predecessors, the TX is thought to store the OS on a strata flash chip (nor flash) but still copies the image into the ram cache. The new Treo seems to have dropped that step and uses the whole ram for cache and program heap. That may be the blueprint for the next devices, namely the LD2.
Also, we may see a TX update along that line, though the odds are small.

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Ed,
This is a normally occurs with .JPGs where a consistent surface is interrupted by a "logo" for example. Even untouched images have this issue. It may be a hack job, but I would not let that sway me.

I really don't know, but I have a friend that uses Photoshop. :-D

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

It looks like we have a multi-pronged attack on the Palm OS. First palmOne buys the Palm name, then they release a WM5 device with some usability improvements, then they release a new Palm OS Treo with worse usability. Beautiful!

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(I notice Foo_Fighter hasn't contributed to this thread - he's usually one of the first to find out about new devices - waiting to see what his verdict is on this rumour.)

- When you zoom in on the image, there are deliberate blur spots around the sprint logo, and it seems likely it was pasted in
When I zoom in on the Sprint logo, what I see is the standard JPEG compression noise. Any strong contrast/color change will have this kind of noise, whether faked or not. However, what does bother me is the neatness of the logo. The logo appears perfectly upright, where as the over all image has a slight skew to it. However, the skew is very small, and when viewed over such a small distance as the logo's height the skew may not be apparent. You said you have seen some higher resolution versions of these images. Does there appear to be any skew to the logo in the larger image?

The upside will be having 4 hardware buttons to work with in the normal places, as long as the applications button is able to be overridden. Otherwise they should have put it down on the bottom also, similar to the 600.

Handspring Visor, Palm V, Treo 180, Treo 90, Treo 600
MTT

Pleeease Gekko ... You shooda been there in the GlowRee!!! Yeah, I saw the vid of Billy Joe a few weeks ago. Gives a new meaning to "lay hands on no man suddenly" I think. :-o

But digressing back OnTopic: I was disappointed in the 700w form factor because it looked cludgy and corporate compared to the more flowing 650. That was until I got to handle one over at the VZW store the other day. I think I actually liked it better than the 650. ... then I saw the XV-6700 with the bigger screen and slide out keyboard and fell into tech-lust. Get HVGA and Palm OS on that and I'll be in line with a check this evening. Still milking my T3 + T637 waiting on the Treo with HVGA.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

If it is ... I'll sell Beanie Babies at the Flee Market to raise the funds.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

I much preferred the dedicated "power" button on the top of the T600, as it rarely if ever turned on as "accidentally" as it does on the Treo 650. But if Palm is stuck designing it into front hardware buttons to appease the carriers, it might as well take up one of the more useless added buttons rather than a hardware button we've been able to configure for nearly 10 years.

Why they couldn't have just left the dedicated power button on top and allowed us to choose configuration of the 4th hardware button is beyond me. If they take away the "mute" button on top, THAT would be yet another step backwards - further proof Palm has forgotten how to test the basic "real world" usability of their devices.

Jeff Hawkins and his block of wood are probably rolling around in their grave. Oh yeah... he's still alive. Guess he's just rolling around in huge piles of money from cashing out... :)

I've got long fingers, and my thumbs just don't "do" thumbboards. I'd rather use a stylus. Plus, my wife has an old Treo 90. I find that using the thumbboard makes doing what I want to do more complicated than it it is on my m515.

If they released a Treo 700p-nt (no thumbboard), I'd sell plasma to get the money to buy one if I had to.

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"Interesting, I'm not gonna say how we know this, but it appears merlyn3d has the actual pre-release "Ventura-Lowrider"!

Anyone other than Shadowmite, I would call this wishful BS. Considering the source, it sure puts a new spin on things if this is the "Stripped down" Treo.
Could "Hollywood" in fact be a GSM POS phone with some beefier specs?

"Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up
and continue as if nothing had happened."
- Winston Churchill

>From Shadowmite @ TreoCentral 2/4/2006 @ 4:27 pm
>"Interesting, I'm not gonna say how we know this, but it appears merlyn3d has the actual pre-release "Ventura-Lowrider"!

This would be too nice to be true! But it does make sense, if they want to release a new Treo for the European market. It has to be GSM 3G (not EVDO) and have 2 cameras (or a rotating camera, wich I doubt) for video calls.

Handspring Visor -> m505 -> Zire71 -> Zire72 -> Treo650

Hey Palm, we've now got three buyers waiting in the wings. Sounds like it's time for the HVGA Treo! :-$

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

"Ryan, that user was also banned as a result as well (by me personally btw)."

TreoCentral has no credibility. As posted by sursur here in its entirety, anyone who successfully completed high school would have seen through the 800p joke, like virtually everyone here did.

GFUNKMAGIC AND TREOCENTRAL -- YOU HAVE ENGAGED IN LIBEL AND IN PUBLISHING BLATANT FALSE INFORMATION AND EXPOSING YOURSELF TO SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY.

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=106038&page=1&pp=20

Your statement that I "admitted to lying" is not only blatantly false but is a disgrace to forum owners everywhere. You have so much egg on your face from being unable to restrain yourself from having "the scoop" that you are really showed the world you "banned" the user. Wowsa. Not that I couldn't open another acccount if I wanted to and you'd ever know or that I couldn't post anywhere like here with a more mature community. But I'd rather you and TreoCentral lose my current and future page views, the business I brought both personally and via others who will no longer patronize your store.

But now you've engaged in revising posts in your forums. How easy it is to bash a poster who can't defend himself and deal with your *outright lie*. Nobody is impressed except for a bunch of pre-teens a TreoCentral who want action against me because my post may have manipulated Palm's stock! It is SO FUNNY that people are laughing AT YOU. Let me say in closing that if your libelous statement above about my "admission" causes me damage in any way, I will go after you and TreoCentral. This went from a joke to potentially getting out of hand. Wipe the egg off your face and realize nobody cares. Least of all, the only people who should be embarassed are the "news reporters" who didn't even bother to read the article for the "sake of the scoop." It's the Internet. Anyone who believes blatantly unsubstantiated information is either a buffoon or is a buffon. Now apologize, un-edit your postings, quit posting here about me and your "honor" and let's move on like mature people before this joke becomes trouble. I don't care to have any arguments here.

Now let's get back to the business at hand -- is the 700p real? My posts about applying the full court press at higher corporate levels at Sprint and Palm, especially after selling the 650 days earlier, were absolutely true. They've been ducking calls about the conference and understandably so. Now how funny it is that suddently just after the frenzy of calling at Sprint and Palm for the 800p, some 700p drops off a trailer, onto Craigs List and somehow works, the ESN is usable, yet none of us have any real DETAILS about what any idiot would ask. The whole story is fishy but the timing and appearance of this new phone may not be coincidental. Regardless it's ALL SPECULATION and let us NOT forget that, lest everybody get banned forever.

I'll keep people here posted if any of my corporate leads can yank something definite out of the big corporate machine.

AMEN, brother!!!!

But if we're stuck with the keyboards, they should make them as ergonomic and accurate as possible (the loss of Graffiti cut my WPM in half, and my thumbs hurt like hell on longer writing). Hopefully Graffiti Anywhere will someday support punctuation (without that it's nearly useless).

And we can hope against hope that Palm will someday settle issues with Xerox so we can once again have an "official" Graffiti ONE library available without a bunch of hacking into the ROM. It really sucks that the only redeeming feature of the Pocket PC is that they still have "Block Recognition" (Graffiti 1).

My sentiments exactly. However, in the ENDLESS effort of Palm to do whatever possible to discourage/admonish its customers for being LOYAL (much like, incidently, the cellular carriers) they will continue to change button layouts/input methods/accessory connectors etc.

Xerox could offer to settle for $100 and Palm would rebuke them because they feel that G1 is yesterday's news and G2 offers a "better user experience".

Hawkins COULDN'T BE BOTHERED anymore either. It will take the skillz of an elite hacker to put a flawless version of G1 libraries onto the new devices to make Palm wake up and offer a LEGITIMATE alternative. And please, no one had better dare chime in and suggest the abomination that is TeamScript as a viable alternative.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

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If the Treocentral Kiddies had any scruples (or brains) they'd simply admit they made a (HUGE) mistake and failed to see the satire, apologize to "slinky" and move on. If they're trying to whitewash this debacle and pretend they didn't get played for FOOLS, they're destroying any shreds of credibility they might still have left.

GFUNKMAGIC AND TREOCENTRAL -- YOU HAVE ENGAGED IN LIBEL AND IN PUBLISHING BLATANT FALSE INFORMATION AND EXPOSING YOURSELF TO SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY.

Come on now, slinky. Don't sink to their level by spewing even more nonsense!

Treocentral's Kiddies got p0wN3d and they can't handle the shame. Too bad. Bwahahaha!

TVoR

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-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=485044&postcount=16

-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=492646&postcount=27

I complained (jokingly and repeatedly) direct to the owners but they didn't delete HIS false posts.

Though the navigation of PalmInfocenter's discussions (or is that "article comments"?) is not as nice as TreoCentral's, I find the content more useful, in general.

So what are you missing? This would have been long gone and forgotten but for gfunkmagic's libel here on PIC and elsewhere in an attempt to wipe egg off his face instead of just letting things die. Right now I'm apparently experiencing an increase in spam and it seems I am permanently unable to login to change my TC email or anything else.

Honestly, I'd rather this discussion end right now. There is nothing "interesting" about it except for the fact that 99% of news sites on the net never even bother reading the SOURCE info carefully. Syndication is about as reliable as buying products on ebay via Western Union.

At any rate, there's a reason that there are many of us who reside primary on PIC and not Brighthand, 1src, PalmAdddicts, TreoCentral etc.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

PS - You probably know more about meds than I (don't have them) and at least I remember what I learned in high school. Grow up.

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Hard to believe - one would think they would have more information than they appear to have.

Can't be *that* stupid then, can it?

"...so Palm will likely stick with it."

Those crazy fools! Sticking with what the majority of users want! [/disdain] They must be nuts!

:P

Tim Carroll
Your friendly customer service robot
(and big Treo fan)

I suppose it might make sense if this Treo were running Cobalt and they had a menu bar at the base of the screen like the T3/T5/T|X/LD (of course, if I were designing it, I'd put the home button there too and go back to 4 app buttons!).

Still, with more and more pics surfacing, we're bound to see an actual device sometime soon...

The new Treo will offer EVDO support. This is the main reason to "upgrade" from a Treo 650.

More importantly, does anyone have any reason to think Palm can be bothered enough to keep supporting the 650 after two "successors" have been released?

The Treo 650 will be left to wither and die. The whole point of carriers offering new/"better" phones is to induce users to renew long term contracts, preferrably with data service usage as well. Helping users nurse their old equipment along as long as possible by providing regular updates (like how good old HandEra used to do) doesn't help Palm or the carriers make money. "Goodwill" doesn't pay the bills.

The fact that the 650 is the best-supported Palm in history says a lot...but so does the fact that it was also one of the three buggiest Palm devices ever released.

At least the T5 was worse than the Treo 650...

TVoR

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm eCONomy = Communism™

The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823

But I think that the 800p (not the Shakespeare one, lol) which would feature a new OS and maybe more RAM, would be the next model. There will be no desire for a transitional model which might be more expense than it's worth. Given Palm's abysmal track record for creating phones with a limited life span, I would doubt that there will be an OS upgrade but I wouldn't rule it out.

My thought is that once Palm OS users have EVDO capability, the attraction of a new phone would really be more the software than the hardware. There was little reason to switch from the 600 to the 650 but for the screen resolution. With a diminishing number of "improvements" I'm guessing the OS will be the big draw for the next generation Palm phone, the 800p or whatever it's going to be called.

I'm really not sure what is in store for the Palm-based platform. Unless something comes out shortly it looks like they will continue to lose considerable ground to Microsoft.

And of course, a sleeker, thinner, more stylish formfactor with an internal antenna is a MUST HAVE. The Treo 600 looked impossibly clunky in '03. The 700x line is becoming embarrassingly dowdy looking at this point in '06.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

internal wi-fi (aka big fat finger to the carriers)

The question is, how come Nokia and Sony Ericsson are able to show the carriers the big fat finger by putting wi-fi into their smartphones but Palm has to take the carriers' fingers where the sun don't shine by leaving wi-fi off Palm Treos?

Size matters.

That was one great reply, and so very true.

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Palm, a cash strapped company who has lost a ton of market share needed something to help that side of things. While users here and other places see a WM Palm device as a sign of the end-times, it shuold more be regarded as a sign of despiration to hang onto a fleeting market they didnt move quickly enough to take hold of (thank TVOR for that one). Besides being a nice "side" business to keep things afloat, the WM Treo does imporve mindshare - which is what VZW wants to get into you before even selling silly services and phones.

Sprint isnt alienated as they had exclusivity on PalmOS Treos and not WM ones. Its a spot where Palm made the boat for an eventually fall out and then pulled their card when it was needed.

VZW is in bed with MS and for both the Treo was kicking their butts from a mindshare and probably profits point of view. If they made it attractive enough to Palm to make it happen, and Palm did, then cozy away and take the money in the morning and run.

You also stated:
Where are the rumors of a GSM 700-anything?
They arent as obvious, you only need to look at Palm and realize what has been happening the last few years. That's what we will see here. Other than the EU exclusive model, there hasnt been much in the way of Palm GSM rumors, and really, it works better for Palm that way. Rumors from the wrong places puts unneeded pressures to get out an unfinsihed device. Let them finish, and hopefully wow.

Then you said:
Palm had better wake up and stop prostituting themselves out to the carriers.

Sorry, but EVERY phone manufacturer is being used by the carriers STATESIDE. This is the ONLY market where politics and money have been able to squelch any innovation that any manufacturers would bring. And while profit margins are also high for manufacturers here, so too is the headaches of dealing with modified/backward systems and unneeded design/implementation specifications.

Final piece on my end:
Either sell out and throw in the towel or become lean, mean, and crafty...and including wi-fi in at least one Treo is but one step towards doing that.

Its most likely coming, not when you want it but its coming. Just put your money back in your pocket and wait, or move to another platform, in that respect no one can stop you from paying hand over fist for "apparent" innovation (thru features battery tech hasn't caught up with).

Improving upon their glacial release cycle is another.

I too would like to see it, but you have to remember, when Chrysler shortened their model release cycle from 3-5 years to 12-18 months (~1992 with the introduction of the Intrepid/Breeze/??? models), it meant they had to weed a lot of things thru that were in that transistional cache. I imagine that Palm wants to do the same. That means some things gotta get pushed thru or just thrown away (that happened to that Tungsten W2 that was never released but FCC docs do have, because of the Handspring acquisition).

Properly testing & supporting their products both prior to and post shipping is yet another.

Until that happens across the entire consumer electronics industry, it aint changing. Sorta like what happened in autos, a few companies slightly raised the warranty/quality bar and then consumers start getting loud about it, and then industry change happens.

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antoinerjwright.com

Thus PALM will have to hack the upgrade to make it fit.

BTW, this view is reinforced by the words about PALM and the upgrade:

== "...Palm Inc... also reaffirmed their commitment to free MSFP upgrades..."

rather than a simple:

== "The upgrade will be available immediately or the TREO 700W"

as the words for reams of competitors DID say.