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Rumor: Possible Images of the Treo 700p

updated A possible image of the next Palm OS Treo has been posted in the forums at TreoCentral. The image is what the poster claims is the Palm Treo 700p. The Treo pictured has the same basic form factor as the 700w with Sprint's new branding.

The images and details come from this thread on TreoCentral.

The poster claims the unit has a EVDO data support, a 320x320 pixel display, a 1.3 megapixel camera with a 1280x1024 max resolution and 62.8 MB of free RAM. He also claims it runs Palm OS Garnet v5.4.9, and has PocketTunes, Blazer v4.5, Sprint TV and Documents to Go v8 built in. He also reports that it may have a 312mhz cpu, and performance seems faster than thre Treo 650.

Update
Additional details have been posted in the comments and confirmed by the Treo developer shadowmite. Also, PalmInfocenter has obtained an additional photo, which seems to confirm previous details.

Possible Treo 700p Image ~ Click for Larger Possible Treo 700p Image ~ Click for Larger

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UPDATE: The Palm Treo 700p has been officially announced.

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legodude522 @ 2/3/2006 7:38:30 PM # Q
I want this baby. This is so hard to decide! My 2-year contract with Cingular expires in March. But I just sold my Zire 72 so I can get a Sharp Zaurus. Now I gotta wait for this sexy thing to come out :-D

Palm m125 December 25, 2002 to March 24 2004 > palmOne Zire 71 March 24, 2004 to March 31, 2005. Tapwave Zodiac 1 April 18, 2005 to November 2, 2005 > palmOne Zire 72 November 2, 2005 to present
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I'm not convinced

Admin @ 2/3/2006 7:46:42 PM # Q
I have a lot of doubts about this image, and at this point I think it's a photoshop job until more pictures come out.

- When you zoom in on the image, there are deliberate blur spots around the sprint logo, and it seems likely it was pasted in

- It really doesn't make sense that palm would change the home/menu button layout that works so well on the 650. And why would they move the home key to the far right where End used to be? It doesn't make sense.

- The poster claims the menu button has been moved to where the right shift key it, like on the treo 600, yet he deliberately cropped the bottom part out of this image.

- The posted has blacked out what you would think to be a serial number, but it doesn't look like there is anything written below there. Also, on just about every leaked image that that turned out to be true, the serial number was on the top center of the device.

- This isn't hard to fake at all and there has been a lot of hoaxes going on at TreoCentral lately... and guy that started the 800p thread had admitted it was a fabrication.

-Ryan

RE: I'm not convinced
Surur @ 2/3/2006 7:54:13 PM # Q
It has to be real. 2 major hoaxes in one week would completely kill the credibility of TreoCentral. They will never live it down.

Its also exactly what I expect the Treo 700p to be, and shadowmite appears to be convinced.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

RE: I'm not convinced
Admin @ 2/3/2006 7:57:49 PM # Q
Though it has provided some correct rumors in the past, it's a public forum, there is no credibility to begin with.
RE: I'm not convinced
legodude522 @ 2/3/2006 9:01:58 PM # Q
I'm just happy there is hope, :-) Unless LiveFaith has something to do with this one...?

From the charging light, it looks like a PhotoShop. I have seen fake charging lights before. It's a dead giveaway and way would Palm make it that shape and there?

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RE: I'm not convinced
gfunkmagic @ 2/3/2006 9:15:08 PM # Q
>>>>nd guy that started the 800p thread had admitted it was a fabrication.

Ryan, that user was also banned as a result as well (by me personally btw).

I also agree that all such rumors should be viewed with skepticism. I would be disappointed if the home/menu button layout were to be moved back to the bottum of the thumbboard.

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Gaurav

RE: I'm not convinced
Admin @ 2/3/2006 9:56:02 PM # Q
I've seen the higher res version of the picture now and I'm a little less skeptical. The blurriness around the sprint logo isn't as bad/noticable there, but I'm still not sure.

BTW - take a look at this photo from last year, of what was most likely a pre-production 700p. It has the same home/menu key arrangement as the 650.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/ss.asp?f=mTreo1_L.jpg

RE: I'm not convinced
AdamaDBrown @ 2/3/2006 10:12:29 PM # Q
My concerns, on a preliminary inspection, center more around the button configuration. You can clearly see on the d-pad and the two inner buttons where the blue backlighting is shining through, but the same effect doesn't seem to be present to the same extent on the two outer buttons. Also, it doesn't seem quite right that the battery icon is sort of truncated there on the screen, being so far off to the right.

Re: the prototype photos, you're correct, but notice that they changed the arrangement for the 700w between prototype and final production.

RE: I'm not convinced
gfunkmagic @ 2/4/2006 3:28:53 AM # Q
Ryan, I can confirm that those pics are real now. Working with shadowmite, the original post Merlyn was able to dump the entire Rom off the 700p and send it to shadowmite who able to confirm the new rom! It pretty crazy, but these guys are gonna hack the 700p even before it gets released!!!

Also, here some interesting facts so far as per reported over on shadowmite irc chat. Note all info below was posted in the chat:

-312 MHz Xscale CPU
-Palm OS 5.4.9
-BT spec unverifiable, BT 1.2? not sure
-1.3MP camera
-320x320 screen
-FAT32 driver support
-EVDO radio
-can receive call while on 1xEvDo, but cannot call and browse at the same time (limitation of 1xEvDo)
-new web like picture album interface, new facelift for alblum and pic apps
-menu key moved to bottom left shift spot
-was able to make receive call via Scala 500 BT headset
-flashing asterix replaced b little golden bell icon
-green button is talk button, phone button for contacts
-new "fast mode" in blazer
-No WiFi drivers installed and no ability to test a WiFi SD card
-HUGE NEW DBCACH SIZE!! >> 10MB!!!!

Meminfo results:
Flash total size: 64,336
Flash free minus couple apps installed: 54,172
NVFS dbCache size: 18,431
Dynamic heap: 10,240

AFAIK, this will be the first NVFS device with more than 10MB dbcache!

Anyhow, that's a brief synopsis...

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Gaurav

RE: I'm not convinced
palmdoc88 @ 2/4/2006 8:21:14 AM # Q
I sure hope Wifi is supported!

T3 & T5 user
RE: I'm not convinced
hawkspy @ 2/4/2006 9:03:46 AM # Q
I am convinced - no WiFi - again - it must be the real deal.

Where do We Go Nowwwwwww?!

- Sir Axl de Rose, 1986

RE: I'm not convinced
hawkspy @ 2/4/2006 9:11:05 AM # Q
..and 12 months plus on...no processor upgrade...sounds like the Treo 650 again - very few differences.

Where do We Go Nowwwwwww?!

- Sir Axl de Rose, 1986

RE: I'm not convinced
palmato @ 2/4/2006 9:27:27 AM # Q
> Meminfo results:
> Flash total size: 64,336
> Flash free minus couple apps installed: 54,172
> NVFS dbCache size: 18,431
>Dynamic heap: 10,240

> AFAIK, this will be the first NVFS device with more than 10MB dbcache!

This is interesting, if true of course.
Unlike its nvfs predecessors, the TX is thought to store the OS on a strata flash chip (nor flash) but still copies the image into the ram cache. The new Treo seems to have dropped that step and uses the whole ram for cache and program heap. That may be the blueprint for the next devices, namely the LD2.
Also, we may see a TX update along that line, though the odds are small.


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Waiting for a TT successor

RE: I'm not convinced
Gekko @ 2/4/2006 10:04:32 AM # Q
>HUGE NEW DBCACH SIZE!! >> 10MB!!!!

all our bitching may have finally sunk in. the bastards are finally listening?

>menu key moved to bottom left shift spot

i'm not sure i like this new button config!!! the menu button location on the 650 is very intuitive and moving it to teh shift key seems to suck. but i'll have to try it.

>Sprint

my guess is that this bitch won't hit Verizon until March 2007 if ever.

>No WIFI

I bet they have a $150 WIFI Card to sell you.



RE: I'm not convinced
LiveFaith @ 2/4/2006 10:05:12 AM # Q
** - When you zoom in on the image, there are deliberate blur spots around the sprint logo, and it seems likely it was pasted in **

Ed,
This is a normally occurs with .JPGs where a consistent surface is interrupted by a "logo" for example. Even untouched images have this issue. It may be a hack job, but I would not let that sway me.

I really don't know, but I have a friend that uses Photoshop. :-D

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: I'm not convinced
Gekko @ 2/4/2006 10:10:48 AM # Q

Reverend - shouldn't you be busy preparing Sunday's sermon? Or do you just "wing it"?



RE: I'm not convinced
Scott R @ 2/4/2006 10:28:56 AM # Q
The fact that they moved the buttons around actually helps to prove the authenticity of it. Any user would know better not to do that. Only Palm, now that Hawkins has been MIA for a while, would do something as stupid as that.

It looks like we have a multi-pronged attack on the Palm OS. First palmOne buys the Palm name, then they release a WM5 device with some usability improvements, then they release a new Palm OS Treo with worse usability. Beautiful!

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RE: I'm not convinced
Gekko @ 2/4/2006 11:12:26 AM # Q

Rev - I forgot to tell you - I was watching a news broadcast on this preacher who got punched and they showed the preacher on stage preaching and he uses a Treo 650 on stage in front of thousands of people and actually reads bible passages from it! I was shocked. I hope he has the ringer turned off!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176530,00.html



RE: I'm not convinced
Admin @ 2/4/2006 1:15:05 PM # Q
If this is the final button arrangement I'm shocked, that was the main thing that had me thinking this wasn't real. Then again I don't know what they were thinking when they removed the home icon from the TX status bar.
RE: I'm not convinced
Gekko @ 2/4/2006 1:51:14 PM # Q

i think the Treo 650's button configuration is near perfect. not to mention the fact that millions of us are used to it. but who knows? maybe the new config is better and more intuitive once you use it? I was pro-Graffiti and anti-Thumboard prior to getting my Treo 650. But NOW, I realize that the Thumboard is the BEST PART!!!!!!!!!



RE: I'm not convinced
Simony @ 2/5/2006 1:38:56 AM # Q
Ryan, you have a point, but one advantage of this configuration is that it MIGHT allow up to four hard buttons to be used to launch apps (ie, assuming that the 'home' key can be reset). When I was using my Treo 650, one of the most annoying things IMHO was that it only had two hard buttons (leaving aside the alternative launch commands) for launching apps. It drove me nuts having to go to Phone and then 'favourites' or to play hide and seek in the Applications launcher, just to access basic apps. Anyway, let's wait and see if this thing is for real.

(I notice Foo_Fighter hasn't contributed to this thread - he's usually one of the first to find out about new devices - waiting to see what his verdict is on this rumour.)

RE: I'm not convinced
twrock @ 2/5/2006 1:47:41 AM # Q
...I don't know what they were thinking when they removed the home icon from the TX status bar.

Or what they were thinking when they decided not to let the user remap the hardware home button. (Thank goodness for ButtonsEx.)

"Where do you want to go today? Wherever we tell you; that's where."

It might not be the "mythical color HandEra", but I'm liking my TX anyway.

RE: I'm not convinced
potter @ 2/6/2006 10:11:18 AM # Q
Admin wrote @ 2/3/2006 7:46:42 PM #
I have a lot of doubts about this image, and I think it's a photoshop job.

- When you zoom in on the image, there are deliberate blur spots around the sprint logo, and it seems likely it was pasted in
When I zoom in on the Sprint logo, what I see is the standard JPEG compression noise. Any strong contrast/color change will have this kind of noise, whether faked or not. However, what does bother me is the neatness of the logo. The logo appears perfectly upright, where as the over all image has a slight skew to it. However, the skew is very small, and when viewed over such a small distance as the logo's height the skew may not be apparent. You said you have seen some higher resolution versions of these images. Does there appear to be any skew to the logo in the larger image?

RE: I'm not convinced
hkklife @ 2/6/2006 10:41:55 AM # Q
I seriously think the Treo could benefit from the addition of at least one additional hard button. Maybe mounted in an "oddball" place such as on the top panel or on the upper right side or something..but it DOES need it.

Why has Palm seen fit to monkey around so much with the hard button arrangement lately? Look how they broke so many legacy apps with the ridiculous experiment on the TX to move "home" to a hard button!

I stil say: 700W appears on Sprint later this summer. 700P remains a Sprint-exclusive with an unlocked GSM version possibly being released later this year. No more POS Treos on Verizon--the King of Carriers hath spoken!

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

RE: I'm not convinced
mtt @ 2/6/2006 10:43:06 AM # Q
My reaction on the new button placement, is that they designed the layout for the WinMob 700W, and want to use the same molds for the 700P. Cheaping out in my opinions, as the 650 layout is very good.

The upside will be having 4 hardware buttons to work with in the normal places, as long as the applications button is able to be overridden. Otherwise they should have put it down on the bottom also, similar to the 600.

Handspring Visor, Palm V, Treo 180, Treo 90, Treo 600
MTT

RE: I'm not convinced
hkklife @ 2/6/2006 10:59:11 AM # Q
But molds are indifferent if they are just remapping via software & changing the silkscreen printing of the buttons, right?

I think that it'll be an acceptable compromise if, as you say, the applications button can be customized. Otherwise, we might be facing a mini-debacle ala TX.

I'd really love to see a no holds barred interview with Hawkins and see what he has to say about the recent design blunders by Palm and the adoption of WinMob etc etc.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX

RE: I'm not convinced
LiveFaith @ 2/6/2006 11:25:58 AM # Q
** Reverend - shouldn't you be busy preparing Sunday's sermon? Or do you just "wing it"? **

Pleeease Gekko ... You shooda been there in the GlowRee!!! Yeah, I saw the vid of Billy Joe a few weeks ago. Gives a new meaning to "lay hands on no man suddenly" I think. :-o

But digressing back OnTopic: I was disappointed in the 700w form factor because it looked cludgy and corporate compared to the more flowing 650. That was until I got to handle one over at the VZW store the other day. I think I actually liked it better than the 650. ... then I saw the XV-6700 with the bigger screen and slide out keyboard and fell into tech-lust. Get HVGA and Palm OS on that and I'll be in line with a check this evening. Still milking my T3 + T637 waiting on the Treo with HVGA.


Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: I'm not convinced
KultiVator @ 2/6/2006 11:58:11 AM # Q
I'm another one still milking a T3 - though this time with a Nokia 6310i.

Would love a Treo with bigger form-factor, accomodating a HVGA screen and a 3G Radio. Could this be the raw plan for Hollywood?


KultiVator

RE: I'm not convinced
LiveFaith @ 2/6/2006 7:08:01 PM # Q
KultiVator,

If it is ... I'll sell Beanie Babies at the Flee Market to raise the funds.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: I'm not convinced
slinky @ 2/7/2006 4:44:18 PM # Q
Ryan -- see my current post here and the final version of the 700p may be only a month away. Perhaps my pretty obvious joke may be one event that caused the preproduction 700p to "fall off a truck" or the resulting "leak" of info without consequences. About 30 minutes ago I did get through the food chain to speak to a Sprint rep who allegedly has found a Sprint Treo 700p intranet page. This representation is absolutely bona fide. I am leaving shortly for an appointment and back in approximately 3 hours and glad to answer questions. CAVEAT: I am only repeating what was told to me and was not there to see it with my own eyes.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8358#118293

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It's the real deal. You know it is. Is always is.

VampireLestat @ 2/4/2006 12:30:38 AM # Q
Every time I see a rumour photo come out, it usually is true.

That is the Treo 700p.

Now, where is our LifeDrive 2 photo?

RE: It's the real deal. You know it is. Is always is.
LiveFaith @ 2/4/2006 10:03:01 AM # Q
**Every time I see a rumour photo come out, it usually is true.**

I agree!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: It's the real deal. You know it is. Is always is.
Gekko @ 2/4/2006 10:08:18 AM # Q

the LifeDrive/Mobile Manager line was hopefully put out of its misery.



RE: It's the real deal. You know it is. Is always is.
medevilenemy @ 2/5/2006 12:32:29 PM # Q
oh stop that.

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Stability?

Tuckermaclain @ 2/4/2006 10:31:13 AM # Q
Yes, I can see it now: I'm admiring my >10MB db cache while it performs yet another random hard reset. I (and I think there are lots like me) would rather have a less powerful phone if it meant more stability. BT 2.0(?) and high-speed downloads won't be worth much if it crashes like a Visor with a springboard memory module. My Sprint contract is up in July which should be long enough for all the Beta testers out there(at $600 a pop) to find out.

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->T5->650->Z72->TX

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If this is real, I'm disappointed

freakout @ 2/4/2006 11:28:00 AM # Q
The button arrangement seems unrealistic. The 650 has a good, intuitive layout right now. Relegating the File button to the bottom of the keyboard is just silly; if you're using the phone one-handed, and if you're left-handed (like myself) then your thumbs will easily move up to hit the hard keys, but you have to reposition your entire hand in order to hit the bottom-left corner of the keyboard accurately. The File button is hit fairly often, so why make it more difficult to quickly manipulate?

Maybe I'm just too attached to the old ways...

Tim Carroll
Your friendly customer service robot
(and big Treo fan)

RE: If this is real, I'm disappointed
joad @ 2/5/2006 2:18:22 PM # Q
Looking at the image posted on the Mexican site below, it appears that Palm actually listened to us and gave us back the 4th hardware button - they moved the "green" and "red" to the buttons that serve as "home" and "menu" on the 650.

I much preferred the dedicated "power" button on the top of the T600, as it rarely if ever turned on as "accidentally" as it does on the Treo 650. But if Palm is stuck designing it into front hardware buttons to appease the carriers, it might as well take up one of the more useless added buttons rather than a hardware button we've been able to configure for nearly 10 years.

Why they couldn't have just left the dedicated power button on top and allowed us to choose configuration of the 4th hardware button is beyond me. If they take away the "mute" button on top, THAT would be yet another step backwards - further proof Palm has forgotten how to test the basic "real world" usability of their devices.

Jeff Hawkins and his block of wood are probably rolling around in their grave. Oh yeah... he's still alive. Guess he's just rolling around in huge piles of money from cashing out... :)

RE: If this is real, I'm disappointed
joad @ 2/5/2006 2:30:02 PM # Q
"Relegating the File button to the bottom of the keyboard is just silly"

http://www.pdamexico.net/abe/imagenes/Treo-700p.jpg

In my ranting, I forgot to mention that the lower buttons on the T700p appear to have exactly the same functionality as teh T650 (except maybe the "find" has been moved somewhere else). One of the actual button arrangement improvements the 650 brought us was moving the "menu" button up where we can reach it without straining our thumbs.

With "Crackberry Repetitive Stress Syndrome" becoming a larger and larger issue, it would behoove Palm to focus very strongly on improving button ergonomics. If I have to see one more article full of posting by Palm apologists defending Palm getting caught up yet again in a class action suit for ignoring an problem obvious to the most basic user, I'm gonna toss my cookies.

RE: If this is real, I'm disappointed
dagwud @ 2/5/2006 7:37:46 PM # Q
Regarding "old ways" and "repetitive stress syndrome", what I'd really like to see is the loss of the thumbboard. Remove the board, extend the screen and let those of us who are actually happy with grafitti to use it.

I've got long fingers, and my thumbs just don't "do" thumbboards. I'd rather use a stylus. Plus, my wife has an old Treo 90. I find that using the thumbboard makes doing what I want to do more complicated than it it is on my m515.

If they released a Treo 700p-nt (no thumbboard), I'd sell plasma to get the money to buy one if I had to.

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PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> ???

For those wanting a 320 x 480 Treo without the keyboard:
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 2/5/2006 8:23:36 PM # Q
If they released a Treo 700p-nt (no thumbboard), I'd sell plasma to get the money to buy one if I had to.


Is this what you seek?

http://churchoflivingfaith.com/images/treo800big.jpg


No need to SELL your plasma, my son. Email me and perhaps we can arrange a deal that will be to our mutual satisfaction.


Alucard

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