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Ahead of their expected announcement at Palm's CES event tomorrow, the specs for the Verizon-bound Palm Pre Plus and Pixi Plus have been leaked to Phone Arena, via a Verizon-branded spec sheet. No great surprises here: the Pre Plus ups the storage to 16GB, while the Pixi Plus gets the Wi-Fi that was so glaringly absent from its Sprint sibling. (No mention of voice dialing for either, contrary to earlier speculation.)

The leaked shot is after the break.

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imgreenlantern2 @ 1/6/2010 4:34:01 PM # Q
Sorry, but that is not enough for me. I can't believe a device that is suppose to be as advanced as the Palm Pre STILL doesn't have video capture. 16gb is standard now. No memory slot...not acceptable.

This is why the Palm Pre and Palm are unfortunately going to fail. I love Palm. I've owned Tungsten T3, Palm m515, Treo 700p, Treo Pro, and will buy Palm Pre Plus with Verizon. With that said I think this is the last we will see from Palm. WebOS is fantastic. Probably the best OS available. BUT, you go with Sprint (the Kia of phone carriers) and poorly market your product...your not going to make it in this cutthroat business. I'm surprised Palm doesn't get that.

RE: Not enough
imgreenlantern2 @ 1/6/2010 4:38:01 PM # Q
I forgot another thing I wanted to say. How can you call this the PRE PLUS when nothing is different from the previous version EXCEPT 8GB OF MEMORY? When the Iphone 3g came out it was leaps and bounds better than the original Iphone. Take notes Palm b/c Apple is kicking your ass.
RE: Not enough
abosco @ 1/6/2010 5:01:57 PM # M Q
I would just like to submit for the record that the original iPhone 2G had the option of 16 GB of storage in late 2007. This is pretty underwhelming, but not surprising from the company whose track record sports a glacial pace of updating hardware. The m515 made the astronomical leap forward from the m505 when it went from 8 MB and dim screen to 16 MB and average screen. Let's be honest here, if not for Apple, Palm's latest smartphone might be currently featuring 256 MB of storage.

Meanwhile, the 2010 fourth generation iPhone will probably come with 64 GB of storage, and the iPod Touch with 128 GB. Meanwhile, Palm adds Wifi and calls it the Pixi Plus. What is this, 2004? This isn't enough to compete.

RE: Not enough
jca666us @ 1/6/2010 5:40:56 PM # M Q
yawn - what a lame upgrade.

forget the iPhone for a sec., compare the pre plus to the nexus on. or the droid.

unless they're selling these for $49 - $99, I'd say it's nearly "game over" for Palm.

RE: Not enough
bhartman34 @ 1/6/2010 10:37:29 PM # Q
People have been predicting "Game Over" for Palm for quite a long time. I see no stronger reason to believe it this time as opposed to any of the other times. The Pre Plus has the same storage as the out-of-the-box Droid. Would more storage be nice? Sure, but this is the Pre Plus, not the next model of WebOS phones.

It appears that the main thrust of the CES announcement will be improvements to WebOS and/or the development model (e.g., the ability to run native Linux apps, the ability to run Flash, the SDL support, etc.). Hopefully, they'll demo some new apps and new possibilities for the platform. I don't think it's reasonable to be pessimistic just because we find out there won't be a completely new phone at CES. Palm has already said that they were going to focus on the Pre and the Pixi for the immediate future. It looks like the effort's being put into improving the OS and apps, rather than putting out brand new hardware. Certainly, that's not a strategy that will appeal to everyone, but for some, that will be enough. Not everyone has the need for a 32GB phone.

The biggest downer is no support for video recording, I think. It's not surprising, given that the problem of dividing the video stream hasn't been solved yet, but it does stand out as an omission. Hopefully, they'll find a way to incorporate V4L into the mix sooner, rather than later.

RE: Not enough
nastebu @ 1/7/2010 12:02:24 AM # Q
bhartman34 wrote:
People have been predicting "Game Over" for Palm for quite a long time. I see no stronger reason to believe it this time as opposed to any of the other times.

At some point, though, they have to start making money. Or it really will be game over this time.

RE: Not enough
SeldomVisitor @ 1/7/2010 3:54:18 AM # Q
Palm could still surprise with a prototype device that's not due til "2nd half calendar 2010".

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What's with crap video?

mikecane @ 1/6/2010 4:56:36 PM # Q
Why still MP4, H.264, etc.

Hasn't even a third party come out with something that will play AVI -- you know, the files *everyone* has? Where is CorePlayer?

Bueller? Bueller?

RE: What's with crap video?
Tim Carroll @ 1/6/2010 5:20:22 PM # Q
Now that webOS has SDL, I would expect mplayer to be ported very soon...

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/info.html

RE: What's with crap video?
imgreenlantern2 @ 1/6/2010 7:27:18 PM # Q
As I read the comments everyone is leaving, I think the overwhelming thought that is being portrayed is this. "Palm, we've stood by you for years but you have and are letting us down. We can't take it anymore. You have alienated us as customers because you won't give us what we want. It is time to move on."

As for me, I use a Palm Treo 755p and have for almost three years. It's a great phone but some of the buttons are starting to not work very well. My contract with Verizon runs up in two days, and I was going to get a Pre Plus. After seeing what they are offering I am going with another phone. I'm sorry but I won't buy a 2007 phone in 2010. I want the latest and greatest and the Palm products don't have it.

It's been a fun ride. I've owned several Palm products. I've been loyal, but you haven't been loyal to me. Goodbye and I will see you all in bankruptcy court.

RE: What's with crap video?
Skykeeper @ 1/6/2010 7:56:18 PM # Q
"Hasn't even a third party come out with something that will play AVI"
AVI isn't a file format or video compression method. It is just a container for audio and video with timestamps to allow synchronized playback.

When supporting MPEG-4, H.263/264, you pretty much support any recent video encoding format.

As I don't have a WebOS device, I don't know if it works properly... I don't know what compression method you used for your videos either... but from the spec sheet, you can't complain about video playback support.

RE: What's with crap video?
mikecane @ 1/7/2010 4:36:12 PM # Q
>>>AVI isn't a file format or video compression method. It is just a container for audio and video with timestamps to allow synchronized playback.

I really hate dicks like you. ANYONE who downloads from the Net winds up with a file with an .AVI extension. Now go to your room until you learn how to talk to adults properly.

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Video capture

palmdoc88 @ 1/6/2010 7:49:17 PM # Q
Still nada?
http://palmdoc.net
RE: Video capture
LiveFaith @ 1/7/2010 9:24:59 PM # Q
Coming on v1.4 OTAU
Pat Horne
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Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.

hgoldner @ 1/6/2010 8:24:14 PM # Q
No external storage.

That's a deal breaker.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
hkklife @ 1/6/2010 9:25:52 PM # Q
No voice dialing, native or otherwise

No tethering (presumably)

No video recording or voice memos

No external storage

No "sizable" internal storage option (32GB+)

No higher-capacity battery

Not even a standard Touchstone cover or soft-touch paint refresh. Even the lowly Centro got that with its 128MB refresh in '08!

Palm's specs are looking a bit long in the tooth at this point. Android, warts and all, is catching on like wildfire.

Anyone still hoping Palm's gonna pull a rabbit out of the hat tomorrow akin to the WebOS + Pre unveiling at CES '09?


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
hkklife @ 1/6/2010 9:33:28 PM # Q
Forgot to add this to the above:

After a long, faithful run, this looks like the definite end of the road for me and Palm devices once my current 755p craps out for good. It's easier to just slowly transition from Palm OS to Android than sit here fretting over where to buy another VZW 755p or Centro, how to get a reg code from a defunct publisher etc etc.

Damn shame really, as I was just musing on the upcoming 14th anniversary of the purchase of my original Pilot 1000 at Egghead software in May of 1996!

I am far from pleased with the Moto Droid on Verizon but have basically come to the following conclusions over the past 2 months:

All smartphones are still rather shitty as converged devices (and especially as telephones for voice use), there is no single "best" device/platform, Verizon's selection of handsets is improving rapidly, and Palm's offerings are looking increasingly weaker against the competition. Oh yeah, let me add that while I'm not a huge Google fanboy,I really do hope they can shake up the tired old carrier + subsidy business model with their new "phone store"...even though the Nexus One isn't much to get excited over in its current form.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
bhartman34 @ 1/6/2010 10:46:35 PM # Q
hkklife wrote:
No voice dialing, native or otherwise

No tethering (presumably)

No video recording or voice memos

No external storage

No "sizable" internal storage option (32GB+)

No higher-capacity battery

Not even a standard Touchstone cover or soft-touch paint refresh. Even the lowly Centro got that with its 128MB refresh in '08!

Palm's specs are looking a bit long in the tooth at this point. Android, warts and all, is catching on like wildfire.

Anyone still hoping Palm's gonna pull a rabbit out of the hat tomorrow akin to the WebOS + Pre unveiling at CES '09?

I don't think we'll see anything quite as exciting as the Pre unveiling last year, but I did want to correct at least one item (although a minor one) on your list here:

The recent spec sheet released by Verizon for the Pre Plus shows a Touchstone-compatible cover included:

http://tinyurl.com/yco29nj

It's not the best image, but you can make out "Inductive ... Cover" in the first column, and then "Included in box accessory" for the Pre Plus.

So, with the Pre, at least they throw in the battery cover, for what that's worth...

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
Gekko @ 1/7/2010 1:29:58 AM # Q
RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
hgoldner @ 1/7/2010 7:35:47 AM # Q
Yep, Gekko, fellow Philly boys singing just how I feel about Palm right about now. Gotta decide whether to frame the stock certificates, sell 'em, or burn 'em in effigy.
RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
Rastick @ 1/7/2010 8:20:29 AM # Q
What a bunch of pathetic whiners!

The Pre and Pixi, in enhanced form, are coming very soon to both Verizon and AT&T. No statement yet on the AT&T configuration, but according to the leaked document the Verizon Pre get a memory increase to 16GB and the Verizon Pixi gets the addition of WiFi, compared to the versions currently available from Sprint.

The USB drive capability on webOS works very well, so quit worrying about SD cards! SD cards are history.

The big news is going to be on the software front. There are now over 1,000 applications in the webOS App Catalog and Palm have finally announced support of paid applications for Europe.

Palm continues to pump out OS releases and upgrades. 1.3.5 is just released and apparently solves the memory limitations on application storage so you can download many and bigger applications, such as graphic intensive games. Compared to the PalmOS days, we are now seeing problems fixed quickly, sometimes in a few weeks and the OTA update process has worked extremely well for me.

I think we will see an explosion in application availability on webOS over the next few months.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
abosco @ 1/7/2010 10:50:22 AM # M Q
Wow, 1000 apps! How unique and groundbreaking! They sure do sound like a market leader. Except for, you know, Apple, Android, Blackberry, and Windows Mobile, which all have more. But nevermind, they've got a thousand!

They were saying since last January that application development for the Pre was going to take off. It hasn't.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
sumguy @ 1/9/2010 7:08:21 AM # Q
I went with Palm in the early days before migrating to Blackberry. I have been waiting patiently for a VZW phone worth switching to. I for one am now ready to jump back. Granted the Pre Plus is far from perfect, but for me it's enough to trade in my Storm for.
The main driver for me is the form factor of the Pre. IMHO it is about perfect from a size/weight functionality standpoint. Computers are so cheap now, I have a netbook/laptop/desktop about everywhere I go and they are all synced up with online apps, so I don't need a brick with a big keyboard to carry around in my pocket anymore. Many of us don't need 10,000 apps in our pocket...what we do need is a great looking screen, smooth e-mail/SMS, well thought out calendar management, light web browsing and social networking capabilities, some actually useful apps (I don't need to use my phone a star wars light saber), and software that does not need to be rebooted twice a day (this remains to be seen). To me the SD card is no big deal. If you need more then 16GB on a phone, you need to get a netbook with mobile capability, or start socking away some money to cover the physical therapy to treat the carpel tunnel syndrome, and eye strain you're going to get using a postcard size device as you main computer.

The pre may not be the "Smartest" phone out there, but Lets give Palm a little credit here, they designed a work of art for those of us that are looking for a smartphone we actually want to carry around.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
kcs7272 @ 1/10/2010 8:48:16 AM # Q
@abosco, I am so sick of iPhone drones bragging about how many apps they have. Do you really need 80,000 fart apps? Out of your 100,000 + apps how many do you use? I read a study that stated most people rarely use all of the apps they download more than once. I know when I had the iPhone and even when I had an Android device I only used about 6 or 7 apps from the market on a regular basis. Also while you are on the subject of apps,lets face it the iPhone is nothing but an app launcher. I had each generation iPhone and it struggles to make a phone call. The iPhone has terrible cellular reception and you could barely hear the other person not to mention it dropped calls like a drunken OBGYN trying to deliver triplets in an ice skating rink while blindfolded. Also the UI is old news!!! I loved it when it first came out and it is simple (Which is good if you look at some of the users) but come on let's make it a little fresher already! I am not saying change it totally but don't just rest on your laurels. One last rant..... yeah I know the Pre won't have official video recording until February but hmmmm. the iPhone did not get it until last year (3 years after the original release) and what about pic messaging?? The Pre could send pics out of the box and 8 months later it is getting video (not 3 years later) and also FLASH! Wow so go ahead and brag about those apps. Maybe you should formulate your own thoughts instead of regurgitating marketing crap about apps... oh wait, there's NO app for that! LOL all in good fun :)
RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
SeldomVisitor @ 1/10/2010 10:10:15 AM # Q
An FYI - the Flash the Pre is getting will be a beta version.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
jca666us @ 1/10/2010 3:21:57 PM # M Q
wasn't the flash beta supposed to have come in oct. of last year?

regardless, HTML 5 will supplant flash over time.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
mikecane @ 1/10/2010 4:37:38 PM # Q
>>>@abosco, I am so sick of iPhone drones bragging about how many apps they have. Do you really need 80,000 fart apps?

WTF? Did you count? That figure sounds low to me.

>>>Out of your 100,000 + apps how many do you use? I read a study that stated most people rarely use all of the apps they download more than once.

Oh come come. To be serious, there are MANY iPhone apps I'd get and use. You don't have to use them EVERY DAY to find them of value. iPhone has more useful apps than PalmOS ever had. And I'm including any of the eleventeen jillion damned fart apps in there, either.

And abosco is being unfair, throwing WinMob in there. It's what? 3-4x the age of even the iPhone OS? Probably more!

Devs are jumping on Android because it's Google-backed. Wait til they have the rug pulled out from under them or discover how many damned variants they must create to *really* scale sales.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
mikecane @ 1/10/2010 4:38:53 PM # Q
>>>And I'm including any of the eleventeen jillion damned fart apps in there, either.

**NOT** including. OK, I'm with Gekko now: this is the frikkin 21st century. We need EDIT COMMENT here!

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
abosco @ 1/10/2010 6:06:40 PM # M Q
We're at, what, almost 50 million iPhone sales and counting? If webOS is so fresh and amazing, why haven't they even cracked a million yet?

Simple numbers disagree with you. And like I've said before, any developer with a fresh idea for a mobile application develops it for the iPhone first. The big splash about webOS games is completely old news on the iPhone platform. The Sims 3 and Need For Speed? They've been out for YEARS already!

On a side note, I know why there are so many apps. I can do all of my banking from my phone. My computer usage at home is so rare these days. There's an app for Chase, Discover, E-Trade, Citi, ING, and Wachovia. There's also a webapp link on my home screen for AmEx. Every major corporation is piggybacking off the iPhone to generate interest. Thus, 100,000 apps.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
Tim Carroll @ 1/10/2010 9:26:47 PM # Q
Bosco:
Simple numbers disagree with you. And like I've said before, any developer with a fresh idea for a mobile application develops it for the iPhone first.

That may be the case - but do they necessarily get it in the App Store first? The beauty of Palm's SDL-based PDK is that it'll make porting apps from the iPhone a cinch. The two devices - iPhone & Pre - share extremely similar hardware specs, so why wouldn't developers make a webOS version too? Especially considering they can start selling it straight away with Palm's new web distribution model.

It's not like Android, where they'll have to cater for a million different OS versions, screen resolutions and inputs (keyboard or no keyboard? Trackball? D-Pad? Multitouch?) As WebOS Internals have demonstrated, for some games it's literally as simple as creating a new Pre-friendly keymap and recompiling the source for the OMAP processor...

Yes, the market is still small potatoes. But if the investment's already been made in coding, art etc, you'd be a fool not to get it onto as many platforms as possible. EA said it only took a couple of weeks to port their games.

For the interest of it, here's how much money all those games that were announced at CES have made in three days:

Need For Speed: $39,485.03 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1104

X-Plane: $ 7,394.53 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1096

The Sims: $ 12,690.89 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1100

Asphalt 5: $ 9,944.06 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1099

Monopoly: $ 5,791.59 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1101

Let's Golf: $ 11,790.78 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1102

Glyder 2: $ 2,837.09 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1112

The Oregon Trail: $ 4,401.19 http://catalog.webosschool.com/#AppDetails;id=1097

The only thing that worries me is the Pixi. There's been no hint of gaming support for it yet, even though we know it has a decent graphics chip. If I was a Pixi owner (which I may well be in the future, 'cause I really like the form factor) I'd be pretty bummed right now.
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RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2010 3:41:38 AM # Q
Tim, please edit your post and place the price of the item next to the total income from the item.

Would give us a better idea of demand.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2010 3:49:13 AM # Q
Oh, okay, I see now that (1) the money is what the game makers made, not the total income, and (2) the links indirectly tell us everything we might want to know (the dramatic dropoff in downloads is interesting).


RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
jca666us @ 1/11/2010 4:10:37 AM # Q
That may be the case - but do they necessarily get it in the App Store first?

Depends I'd guess - even adding people to the review process means most apps. are approved within a week to two weeks.

Unless someone can port an iphone game in three days, this point of your argument is moot.

The beauty of Palm's SDL-based PDK is that it'll make porting apps from the iPhone a cinch. The two devices - iPhone & Pre - share extremely similar hardware specs, so why wouldn't developers make a webOS version too?

They might, but aide from cheerleading, let's see some metrics on how long it would actually take.

Also, with newer android and iphone os based devices on the horizon, I'd speculate that most developers might concentrate their resources on developing for those, then expending resources on a mostly DOA platform - webos.

Especially considering they can start selling it straight away with Palm's new web distribution model.

Not a great incentive when the iphone os generates cash several magnitudes greater then webos.

It's not like Android, where they'll have to cater for a million different OS versions, screen resolutions and inputs (keyboard or no keyboard? Trackball? D-Pad? Multitouch?)

Spreading FUD - I thought you were above that :)

ZOMG! iphone os has several different models - varying cpu and hardware specs - how do they handle it? lol

As WebOS Internals have demonstrated, for some games it's literally as simple as creating a new Pre-friendly keymap and recompiling the source for the OMAP processor...

*some games*

Yes, the market is still small potatoes. But if the investment's already been made in coding, art etc, you'd be a fool not to get it onto as many platforms as possible. EA said it only took a couple of weeks to port their games.

a couple of weeks - let's say it costs $5 grand to have a few members of their team work on the port...and the cost for a few webos devices to test their game on.

For the interest of it, here's how much money all those games that were announced at CES have made in three days:

[snipped for brevity]

That's not really all that much money.

From $4,000 - $40,000 - the real question would be to see how those sales sustain a month or two from now.

As we know, several iphone s/w developers have made enough money to retire from their jobs, etc.

The only thing that worries me is the Pixi. There's been no hint of gaming support for it yet, even though we know it has a decent graphics chip. If I was a Pixi owner (which I may well be in the future, 'cause I really like the form factor) I'd be pretty bummed right now.

Who's gonna play a game on such a tiny screen regardless.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
nastebu @ 1/11/2010 5:17:51 AM # Q
Tim Carroll wrote:
The beauty of Palm's SDL-based PDK is that it'll make porting apps from the iPhone a cinch. The two devices - iPhone & Pre - share extremely similar hardware specs, so why wouldn't developers make a webOS version too?

That does sound very hopeful. The biggest reason that the number of applications on the iPhone is impressive, to me, is that it shows how much excitement is devoted to the iPhone right now. Lots of those applications might be crap, but when you get that many people devoting time and intellectual energy to the platform, you're going to get a lot of innovative and interesting ideas.

Of course, it seems likely that it's not *this* easy. Even if the port is simple, there's probably de-bugging and such. And of course, supporting another platform is not free--it means the company has to invest in people and training to provide technical support and updates as WebOS changes.

Still, if it really is easy to move from iPhone to WebOS, that's great news. If Palm can siphon off some of the iphone developers' energy, that's a very good thing for the company.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
abosco @ 1/11/2010 8:34:39 AM # M Q
In one hand, you talk about how easy it is coding for webOS, and then in the other, you criticize Android for being fragmented. And then at the end, you torpedo yourself by saying there is no gaming development for the Pixi!

Palm is a one-business company. If they expect to make it long-term, they need to be a market leader, not an also-ran. All other smartphone makers have other businesses that rake in huge profits (Apple, Google, Microsoft), except one, and that's RIM. And their lack of new developments has inspired a wave of short interest from Wall St.

All of the praise that is directed towards Palm has been coming in this form: "Palm recently introduced ABC feature for webOS, which only took X months to get to market compared to the same ABC feature for the iPhone, which took Y months to get to market." Sub in video recording, 3D gaming, third-party app development, and many others into this formula. What you end up with is a company playing second fiddle to the real market leader. Tiny market, tiny margins, tiny sales. But Engadget loves it, so it sounds awesome.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
Tim Carroll @ 1/11/2010 2:10:35 PM # Q
In one hand, you talk about how easy it is coding for webOS, and then in the other, you criticize Android for being fragmented. And then at the end, you torpedo yourself by saying there is no gaming development for the Pixi!

Fragmented by one different screen resolution is a verrrrry different thing to being fragmented by different OS versions, input methods and internal hardware. I fully expect the Pixi to get some kind of SDL support in the future, too. I just think it might be a long wait.

Yes, Palm are playing catch-up in some areas. (you yourself just made the point that they're doing it very, very quickly) In others - like the first sensible method of multitasking on a smartphone, and ease of development and distribution - they are most certainly leaders. And sure, tiny market. But it is still growing, nonetheless.

P.S. Please don't insult us by pretending Apple invented or "lead" in any way with video recording, of all things. They waited years to put it on their phones when it had been a standard feature for a very long time.

RE: Crap, looks like the end of the road for me, too.
jca666us @ 1/12/2010 4:07:33 AM # M Q
Fragmented by one different screen resolution is a verrrrry different thing to being fragmented by different OS versions, input methods and internal hardware.

no different then the fragmentation in the iPhone market.  That doesn't appear to be hurting the iphone's app store at all.

I fully expect the Pixi to get some kind of SDL support in the future, too. I just think it might be a long wait.

Or it may never happen - if only to help sell the Pre - by giving it a feature set the Pixi doesn't have.

Yes, Palm are playing catch-up in some areas. (you yourself just made the point that they're doing it very, very quickly) In others - like the first sensible method of multitasking on a smartphone, and ease of development and distribution - they are most certainly leaders. And sure, tiny market. But it is still growing, nonetheless.

palm appear to be more followers than leaders.  android has much better support for multitasking - and had it much earlier than the Pre.  iPhone also had multitasking (of native apps) two years before the Pre.

nothing comes close to the app store for ease of distribution and deployment.

P.S. Please don't insult us by pretending Apple invented or "lead" in any way with video recording, of all things. They waited years to put it on their phones when it had been a standard feature for a very long time.

I'd argue that apple came up with a great implementation of video recording, editing, and distribution for a mobile platform.

they were certainly not first, but their implementation is the best.

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