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Palm Treo Pro Review

Treo Pro ReviewBy: Ryan Kairer
August 28, 2008

The Treo Pro is Palm's second new device of 2008. The Treo Pro brings something to Palm's lineup that has been sorely needed in recent times, a dramatically refreshed smartphone that delivers a modern new look with the features to match. It further enhances its profile with a pleasant amount of innovative new features packed into the Palm's most attractive new design in some time. The Treo Pro runs Windows Mobile Professional 6.1 and also makes its mark as the thinnest Treo smartphone to date.

Unlike many past Palm smartphone introductions the Treo Pro is premiering as an unlocked model first in most markets. The device will be made available online at Palm.com for $549 USD beginning sometime this fall. Being an unlocked device it comes with a higher than normal price tag because of the absence of carrier subsidies and discounts. However, customers do gain the option of bringing their own SIM card and phone plan to use on the GSM network (AT&T or T-Mobile in the US) of their own choice.

Treo Pro Design

The new hardware is pleasantly modern and includes all of the usual high end features in smartphones these days. The Pro comes in Palm's Obsidian Black and features a glossy hard plastic casing. The device has a pleasant feel to it all around with no harsh lines and plenty of smooth surfaces and rounded corners. It's also very well built with a genuinely solid feel all around and nicely sloped sides that add to its good grasping factor.

Nearly everything except the d-pad and keyboard lies flush with the device adding to its smoothly polished appearance. The exterior comes together quite well and is genuinely stylish while retaining a delicate balance of professionalism.

The usual Palm hardware touches have been incorporated such as the classic ringer switch and the smoothed out side buttons. The newly necessary, yet efficient, Wi-Fi button is present. And a IR port is still there for good measure. The small port array sticks out a bit along the bottom and contains the microUSB port, the marvelous new standard sized 3.5mm stereo headset jack and the microphone inlet.

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The back of the device is almost as attractive as the front in its own unique way. The centered camera lens and a large silver Palm logo are the only standouts on the otherwise smooth and shinny backside. The speaker grille has literally been pushed aside to the right side-rail in a spot where its unlikely to get muffled. The whole back slides off a hinge with a focused push up with pressure from the bottom.

Not normally visible are two LED indicators. One is cleverly hidden to the left of the earpiece that glows red/green whilst recharging and a white LED that activates around the circular d-pad when you have new voicemail messages. The stylus is also concealed on the back and slides out from the bottom right corner. It has a somewhat unusual design. It is metallic, but is awfully truncated. Its much shorter than usual, but I'd prefer a shorter solid pointer over a flimsy plastic toothpick styli without a second thought.

The only negative to the lustrous look is the strong tendency to pickup and show fingerprints. A fine microfiber cleaning cloth should have been included in the box. I can also see the exterior collecting a lot of surface scratches and wear over time. If that's a concern for you a case is always a good idea. The back may have benefited from a soft touch finish but that would take away from the whole glossy motif the Pro has going on. But overall, these are only incidental issues in what is an otherwise excellently designed exterior.

Treo Pro Review

In the dimensions department the Treo Pro works out to 4.49" (L), 2.36" (W), 0.53" (D) Inches (114 x 60 x 13.5mm), and it weighs in at 4.69 oz (133g). When put up against other current smartphones on the market the Pro compares well coming in at about just the same size and the iPhone and a little smaller than the BlackBerry Bold. You can checkout our unboxing video for some additional size comparisons.

The Box
Its not often that I'd find it necessary to mention the retail packaging in a review, but Palm went out of their way to also create an innovative product package. You can check out the unboxing experience in detail in our video preview here. The new box is nearly half the size of the old design and does away with not only the CD but the plastic bags and excess cardboard as well. It's even comprised of mostly recycled materials and a "toxic free" soy ink is employed on the printouts. This is certainly a nice touch and further shows the good amount of thought that went into utilizing more sustainable packaging and the whole Treo Pro experience.

Treo Pro Specifications

SPECIFICATIONS
Size & Weight: 4.49" (L), 2.36" (W), 0.53" (D) Inches (114 x 60 x 13.5mm); 4.69 oz (133g)
Processor: 400MHz Qualcomm MSM7201
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Memory: 256MB (100MB user available), 128MB RAM program memory
Expansion: microSD/microSDHC up to 32 GB
Screen: 320x320 pixel; 65k-color; transflective back-lit touchscreen
Audio: mono rear speaker; 3.5mm stereo out; Bluetooth A2DP
Power: Replaceable Li-Ion Poly (1500 mAh)
Connectivity: Quad Band GSM Radio (Tri-Band 3G), Wi-Fi (802.11 b/g/x), IrDA, Bluetooth (v2.0 + EDR); A-GPS

Treo Pro CloseupThe Treo Pro is powered by a 400 MHz Qualcomm MSM7201 application processor. The phone radio is a Quad-Band GSM unit (850/900/1800/1900MHz) with Tri-Band 3G HSDPA/UMTS (850/1900/2100MHz) wireless data support. The Treo Pro also includes built in 802.11 b/g Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.0, an IR port and a GPS receiver.

256MB memory is built in with 100MB of that user available. Built in storage space is fairly typical for Windows Mobile handset, but is looking quite paltry given most other smartphones in this range have moved on to gigabytes. A microSD expansion slot is located under the battery cover and supports cards all the way up to 32GB in size so you do have plenty of room to expand.

Performance
With a 400MHz clock speed you would expect a speedier device, however on an overall basis the Treo Pro felt slower than its recent counterpart the Treo 800w with its 333 MHz chip. Overall performance is acceptable, however certain functions occasionally cause the device to slow down at times, usually when browsing the web. Windows Mobile can be somewhat demanding and it seems the device has a tendency to get caught up at times with some more intensive tasks. I also had trouble with the responsiveness of the onscreen soft-key to answer phone calls, but using the green "orb button" instead alleviated that. Its certainly not pokey in daily use, but in general it just doesn't feel as finely tuned as the 800w.

Display
The Treo Pro sports a 320 x 320 pixel transflective color TFT flush touchscreen. And by flush I mean that the plastic covering remains smooth and consistently level with the outer casing. There is no sunken divot to the display area, which makes for a much cleaner look. Because of that, the touchscreen now automatically locks during calls to prevent accidental button activation.

Treo Pro ReviewThe screen washes out a little bit more than I would like in direct sunlight, but can still remain readable if you crank up the brightness. Indoors and in most office conditions the it looked good. Even at the halfway setting the brightness was comfortable. A new screensaver like function activates when the device and screen are off which subtlety displays the time and dates along with any missed calls.

Keyboard
Ever since the leaked shots of the device we thought would be called Treo 850 first appeared, I was concerned with the keyboard since it mirrored the somewhat challenging micro thumboard found on the Palm Centro. Fortunately, even though they do share the same single sheet keyboard technology, the Treo Pro thumb board is a good amount larger and the keys have more separation than the Centro. The keys are lined up in four rows in a straight across grid. They are a clear soft plastic material that feels a little squishy to the touch but they keep their form and feel solid when pressed. They are also quite flat on the surface, which can take some adjusting to at first.

For the most part the keyboard wasn't too bad, though if you're used to the more spacious "treo smile" design they may take a little getting used to. My typing speed remained pretty much just slightly under what I'm used to on a smartphone. Accuracy didn't suffer too much either, though the keys do feel a bit smaller and less defined and I felt like I had to employ a little more finger precision than usual to stay focused.

Wireless Data & Wi-Fi
The Treo Pro is equipped with an assortment of high speed data options. The phone has a Tri-Band 3G radio that can connect to GPRS, EDGE, UMTS and HSDPA networks nearly worldwide. Another major bonus is the built in Wi-Fi connection. The Treo Pro supports both 802.11 b/g networks as well as 802.1x (EAP-PEAP, EAP-TLS and EAP-TTLS). Palm has made it incredibly simple to setup and manage Wi-Fi connections via a dedicated Wi-Fi button on the side. A convenient tap of the button will automatically connect to any open or known networks, and a double press will show you all of the networks that are within range.

The only bummer is that this button is really flush with the side and is tricky to activate. A long fingernail or the stylus tip may be necessary at times. There is also no audible alert as on the 800w so its not always immediately apparent if you've activated the button or not. Also for the sake of preserving battery life, the Pro shuts down the Wi-Fi radio rather aggressively by default. Fortunately, there is a broad range of customization options so you can define how you want the Wi-Fi functions to behave.

Camera
The Treo Pro includes a 2.0 megapixel digital camera with up to 8x digital zoom. It can take shots in a maximum 1600 x 1200 pixel resolution. It also has a video capture mode. The cameras software uses a HTC provided application, which offers an improved range of features and options than the default Windows version. Shots in good lighting conditions were surprisingly good for a smartphone camera, but low light and nightime shots came out quite dark as one would expect on a device without a flash. Below is an assortment of unedited example pictures taken with the Treo Pro under various lighting situations.

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Battery
The Treo Pro comes installed with a removable 1500mAh lithium-ion rechargeable battery. Palm claims this is good for an imaginary 5 hours talk time and up to 250 hours standby. The Pro's decently sized battery does not disappoint. Considering the nearly four year old Treo 650's used to ship with 1900 mAH units, it seems you still have to sacrifice capacity for size. Regardless, power users can expect to see at least get two days out of a full charge. Of course heavier usage and more reliance on Wi-Fi will shorten the lifespan, but even the heaviest push email users should be able to get a full day's worth out of a full charge. Plus the portability of the power charger and usb cable make it easy to top up on the go with the ability to recharge from a USB port.

Audio
The Treo Pro comes with Palm's standard set of Treo ringtones, most of which are getting a little stale. Fortunately, they are not too difficult to change and Windows Mobile supports custom mp3 ringtones out of the box. The well placed rear speaker can get quite loud for both music and ringtones. Bluetooth A2DP is also on board for wireless stereo headphone support. But the Treo Pro's most notable (and long awaited!) audio option is a standard 3.5mm stereo audio jack. Finally one can use their own quality earbuds for listening to music on the go. Palm even includes a half decent pair in the box that have a built in mic for phone calls as well. Sound was quite good in our informal tests and the included buds sounded respectable even for freebies. With my pair of Shure SE110 headphones the Pro sounded just as good as any other portable audio device I've used.

One audio issue that I did find annoying was an occianal dose of GSM buzz. The Treo Pro would sometimes cause that random hiss and radio noise on the speakers in my car when the phone's data connection was active. Of the many other devices I've used in the same vehicle, none have had such a problem with that, even the Treo 650 which was notorious for causing computer speakers and monitors to buzz at will from random interference. I'm still trying to evaluate the issue so I'm not sure how widespread the problem is or if it is just an isolated case.

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Treo Pro Software

The Treo Pro runs Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional Edition. The on-device version number of my review unit was listed as Windows CE OS 5.2.19216 (Build 19216.1.0.5). The Palm Software version was T850UNA-1.01-NAE, Hardware version AN and firmware version of 1.65.28.25.

While Palm's packaging and their own introduction video go out of their way to state that "no detail is too small", Palm seems to have overlooked the biggest detail of all... and that is the software. With all the emphasis placed on the attention to detail, its quite odd that many of the usual elements of the "Palm Experience on Windows Mobile" were simply left out.

Nearly all of the usual niceties and little treatments that Palm has included on past Windows Mobile Treos are absent. In fact, the Treo Pro seems to have more HTC customizations than Palm's own. HTC is the ODM manufacturer that Palm has contacted to manufacture the device. The only Palm customizations that made it to the Pro as far as I can tell are the Today Screen Google search bar plugin, the keyguard functionality and the big clock screensaver.

Fortunately some of the functionality Palm has added on in past device has been replicated in a similar way in the default Windows Mobile build. For instance you can still find and search your contacts simply by typing at the today screen and if you look close enough buried within the phone settings is an option to turn on a similar reject by sms feature. WM6.1 also includes its own version of threaded text messages in the messaging client but many of these features don't seem as polished at their Palm counterparts.

Treo Pro Screenshots

Speaking of HTC customizations there are quite a few on board here. Palm has licensed a number of features that HTC usually includes on its models. The most prominent example is the HTC Task Manager, which is accessible on the top right of the Today Screen. This nice little utility lets you switch between open apps and even lets you fix the "X" button so that it actually terminates apps instead of minimizing them (a longstanding complain about Windows Mobile's memory management or lack of). HTC's Communications Manager is also present. This lets you control all of the different phone and radio functions in one convenient spot. The Camera software is also licensed from HTC. And there is also a AGPS like utility that downloads GPS satellite data for faster signal acquisition times and a streaming media tool that adds support for some streaming internet content such as YouTube, which Windows Mobile does not support by default. A J2ME mobile Java client is also on board for good measure.

Now Windows Mobile certainly has its fans as well as detractors, however it remains one of the leading choices out there for the enterprise market which Palm is aiming at here. Even if WinMob is not your cup of tea, the OS is highly customizable and there is a wide variety of software applications out there. Applications such as PointUI, Spb Mobile Shell and Vito's suite of iPhone like apps can bring an entirely new and enhanced phone experience wrapped up in a .cab file.

Another innovative new addition to the Treo Pro is the lack of a CD in the box. The Pro is actually comes pre-loaded with the required Windows Active Sync desktop software in the device itself. The first time you connect it to your computer it will run and install automatically. Unfortunately Mac OS and Linux users are left without support here as Windows XP and Vista are the only officially supported Operating Systems. When you connect to a Mac a new drive shows up that has a note from Palm on some third party options that you have to purchase to use the device with any non-Windows computer. There are a couple options out there for Mac and Linux users, such as the Missing Sync, PocketMac and SyncMate was recently released which is freeware.

Treo Pro Windows Mobile Screenshots

GPS
GPS (Global Positioning System) is another feature included that greatly adds to the device's usefulness. Palm includes copies of Google Maps and TeleNav that tie in nicely with the built in GPS feature. One thing to note is that the Treo Pro lacked some of the robustness of the GPS software extensions found on the Treo 800w. Signal acquisition times took a while longer to lock in and Palm did not include the very slick GPS search plugin. Nevertheless, the GPS functionality worked well outdoors and is an excellent thing to have onhand.

Messaging
Treo Pro BacklightingThe Treo Pro ships with the standard Windows Mobile Pocket Outlook as its default email application. Pocket Outlook provides nearly everything you'd need to stay on top of your corporate email, calendar and contacts. Out of the box Exchange support with Microsoft Direct Push Technology is present along with the usual POP3 and IMAP protocols. HTML support, native Microsoft Office documents, PowerPoint and PDF and zip file attachment support are also fully accounted for.

The Treo Pro connects directly with Exchange Server 2003 SP2 or 2007 and can easily work within a company's existing Microsoft infrastructure. Windows Mobile 6.1 also includes improved enterprise functionality including support for System Center Mobile Device Manager 2008 which helps administrators manage phones similarly to a Windows-based PC or access company data via a mobile VPN; and support for Exchange Server 2007 SP1 advanced mobile policies.

Web
The web experience is another detail sorely overlooked in my opinion. Microsoft's Pocket Internet Explorer can handle most mobile optimized websites, but oftentimes fails when it comes to most standard websites. It is just a slow browser even with higher speed data connections and it doesn't do a great job rendering most desktop designed sites. Palm should have looked for a more suitable alternate to provide for a more compelling out of the box web experience. That said, there are some alternative browsers out there for Windows Mobile. Opera Mobile is one that does a more decent job and is currently available for free, but comes with the usual beta version quirks. I also tried installing Opera Mini, but for some reason the current version 4.1 would not run on the device.

Multimedia & Entertainment
For such a shinny and innovative new device it seems a little more attention should have been placed on the multimedia components. Instead users have to rely on the somewhat clunky and unintuitive Windows Media application for audio and video. Fortunately, YouTube support has not been overlooked thanks to the supplied HTC utility. Windows Media will get the job done for the most part but there are many more apps out there that will provide a much better experience. Most users will want to invest in some quality entertainment apps like CorePlayer and newly released Kinoma Play for audio and video options and LobsterTunes for digital audio to name a few.

Office & Other Apps
Treo Pro ComparisonRounding out the business end is Microsoft's Office Mobile. This version can open, edit and create all of the newer Microsoft Office file formats. The Office Mobile suite includes mobile versions of Word, Excel, OneNote and PowerPoint. PowerPoint Mobile only functions as a viewer, but users can now get a copy of Documents to Go for Windows Mobile, which includes full Office support and the ability to create PowerPoint on the device if thats your kind of thing. Adobe's PDF Reader LE is also in the rom, as is Microsoft Remote Desktop utility for managing servers and desktop computers remotely. Palm also includes a copy of Sprite Backup for on-device backups to a memory card.

Conclusion
The Treo Pro brings a long list of standout features that Treo users have been clamoring for ages and it does so in an elegantly stylish design. The Treo Pro is without question a breath of fresh air from Palm. Finally a feature packed device that is friendly on the eyes and won't weigh down your pocket.

While its tough to cough up the extra dough for an unlocked device, it's nice that Palm is at least making a new model available to customers first. It's nice not to have to wait through the additional time to market and two year service extensions that usually accompany a carrier purchased smartphone.

The Treo Pro will be available at Palm.com and from Vodafone and O2 in Europe (from free to EUR 399 with contract) and from Telstra in Australia (from free with contract), also will be available in an unlocked version in the United States, Europe and Asia Pacific. Palm says the unlocked version will be made available in the US this fall from its online store for $549. Additional Treo Pro availability is scheduled to follow worldwide.

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Not hardware-graphics enabled?

SeldomVisitor @ 8/29/2008 4:41:47 AM # Q
== "...With a 400MHz clock speed you would expect a
== speedier device, however on an overall basis the
== Treo Pro felt slower than its recent counterpart
== the Treo 800w with its 333 MHz chip..."

Rumor has it - and I cannot remember WHERE I read it (here?) - is that the Pro does not have hardware acceleration for graphics turned on (assuming it has the inherent capability in the first place).

Why one ODM would turn it on and one would not may speak towards difference in philosophy on robustness.

Didn't some poster here discuss this hardware 800 teak here?

RE: Not hardware-graphics enabled?
SeldomVisitor @ 8/29/2008 4:42:42 AM # Q
Sigh..."teak"==>"tweak"...

RE: Not hardware-graphics enabled?
JackG @ 8/29/2008 12:54:25 PM # Q
Since HTC makes the Mogul and now the Treo Pro, they've already shown their history of slow graphics. And I know because I owned a Mogul for a couple of months before I got so tired of the problems that I convinced Sprint to let me move to the Centro. I don't know who makes the 800w that I now have, but I suspect it's not HTC.

RE: Not hardware-graphics enabled?
SeldomVisitor @ 8/29/2008 1:06:25 PM # Q
As noted someplace else, HTC isn't stupid.

That is to say, they had their reasons for NOT (simply) enabling the hardware acceleration.

Power?

Bugginess of Qualcomm display drivers?

NOT using Qualcomm chips?

[I think someone posted that they DID use Qualcomm chips, though]

I don't know why they aren't using that.

But they're not stupid so I'm sure they have their reasons.


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Nice Review

LiveFaith @ 8/29/2008 6:58:29 AM # Q
Wow. I would love to have this phone. sounded great till you got to the software part. Get Palm OS on this thing and we would be in binness!

I still don't believe it even if Ryan says so. I will believe it has 3.5mm audio when I plug my own buds in. :-D

Pat Horne

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RE: Krackho likes it
SeldomVisitor @ 8/30/2008 4:05:54 PM # Q
No...THIS:

- http://tinyurl.com/6l4bqq

Giggle.

[strangely, Jim Cramer (the guy who founded/owns TheStreet.com) apparently just said on his Fast Money that Palm is, while not necessarily a Buy, possibly worth looking at. No connection, of course...]

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intell?

stuvosler @ 9/7/2008 12:24:12 PM # Q
Does anyone know of any hard plans for the Treo Pro to be offered with the Palm OS?

If I have a Treo 700P with Verizon, is my only Palm OS option the Centro now?

RE: intell?
hkklife @ 9/7/2008 3:39:31 PM # Q
No hard or soft plans to offer it.

Right now, Palm's only "current" Palm OS product is the Centro. They MAY release a Garnet-based Centro 2 sometime early next year but for right now we have zero rumors on that.

Your only option right now is either to get one of the leftover Verizon 755p's or go with a Centro. Regardless of which choice you make, either one will be leaps beyond the 700p.



Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: intell?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/7/2008 3:47:32 PM # Q
Au contraire - the rumors are starting up hot and heavy for PalmOS 6.

Origined right on this web site, as a matter of fact!

Can't have a PalmOS 6 without a PalmOS 6 device!

Giggle.

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usability review

encorbatao @ 9/10/2008 2:02:19 PM # Q
One thing that I love when using my treo 680 is how easy and fast is to find a contact and dial or send an SMS message. I find it also very user friendly when it comes to check missed calls, alarms, etc. And also I love that almost everything can be done with the dialpad (hate the stylus) and single-handed.

It would be very interesting that in future reviews of new devices you include a video on how to perform these all-day-long activities: dial number, activate speaker and mute, send - check - answer an SMS, write an email, check missed calls, visit a webpage, take a photo or a video, etc. It would provide an idea of usability and general speed of the device and **very important** żis it a two-hands device or can be operated single-handed?

Anyhow, thank you for the magnificent review... I am considering a hard upgrade and Treo Pro makes me wonder if it can be a good option...

RE: usability review
apsjr1 @ 6/10/2009 10:57:16 PM # Q
sir,
i can help you on your question about unlocked/locked?
if you buy palm treo pro unlocked you can use any carrier you want that has the sim card

locked mean that the phone you baught it from that is the only one who can provide the sevice
thank
apsjr1

RE: usability review
apsjr1 @ 6/10/2009 11:02:17 PM # Q
sir
the message that i gave was not for you it for treo pro
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Treo Pro!

ChaplainBill @ 11/6/2008 2:08:02 PM # Q
I don't understand what it means by unlocked/Locked?! Do you thing the Pro will ever be available for Verizon Acct holders? Or is that not possible?



RE: Treo Pro!
Anysia @ 1/19/2009 9:48:08 PM # Q
Locked means you are tied to one specific carrier.

Unlocked means you can insert a SIM chip to whatever TelCo you want.

RE: Treo Pro!
Valdemar23 @ 1/23/2009 3:50:30 PM # Q
It looks like Sprint is the exclusive CDMA carrier for the Pro right now.

The "unlocked" aspect of this device only applies to GSM carriers: AT&T and T-Mobil in the US.

So, it looks like Verizon users are out of luck. :( The only Verizon Palm devices currently available are the Centro and the 700wx.

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palm treo pro

plastxhome @ 3/20/2009 7:41:53 PM # Q
I must received it today, compared to treo 700p , i' wont switch, keep the treo 700p hands down.

compared to BB curve the pro is not up to par either.
it doesnt surf the web as well
the stylus is in poor location.
the battery heats up like a hot kettle. scary.
the screen even at maximum font and brightness is way to small.
no way no way no way.
Im a real palm fan because of the win OS and ease of use. but the pro is a step backwards. the keys are to cropped uo together for a man with average size hands.
i can operate my treo 700p with 1 hand no problem. not with the Pro. this is must have feature for people on the go, 1 hand operation.
the case is to slippery, they should have used some silicone to make it easier to hold and a bit larger similar to the 700p would have been perfect, this to would ahve allowed for a wider screen. Palm has issues with the batterys overheating this phone is no exception. fully charged 3 hours out 35% less battery power remains.
I can use the curve from BB for 3 days without having to recharge it and im constantly using it to surf the web via my server. and phone usage as well.

I still use my 700p for my eamils because its the best for that application , handling pdf, excel and word are also a favorite for me to use the 700p.

why did palm not look at the BB curve and incorporate its ease to surf and phone features and battery life and melt it in with the awsome Palm documents and email features I so love with palm windows o/s.

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Treo pro

robjohnson @ 4/24/2009 7:04:45 AM # Q
Performance
Too slow, I would say irritatingly slow, compared to say my previous Treo 650, or current (after I threw away Treo Pro) Nokia E71. Windows 6.1 freezes often and in general has all the features that make windows so "beloved" by professional programmers. Palm OS was a great piece of software and Windows 6.1 has definitely killed the whole pleasure of having Treo Pro.
Display
The worst thing probably in Treo Pro. Practically unreadable under sunlight (compare to the BB, LG or Nokia), bluefish or whitish tint is so strong that you get the impression manufacturers have done it intentionally to spoil the look and as far as the screen is the most important thing for a smartphone, you just get irritated all the time as you always think it is dirty all the time. To say nothing of the screensaver, which is absolutely poor and pale.
Keyboard
Very ineffective, keys situated in straight rows, which, after Treo 650 with curved rows, is just unpleasant to look at. Smaller keys, distance between them smaller, in general a step back, if not a couple. Accuracy does not suffer too much either, but when you say every time that this or that feature has not suffered too much, it means it has suffered and when you sum up all that has suffered "not too much" , you get what you would not want if you knew at the end.
Wireless Data & Wi-Fi
If these features were not there why purchase that phone these days at all?
Camera
Good in very good light and terrible in normal light and less.
Battery
No two full days at all, you have to recharge every day, especially if you want to see anything on the screen. Often left without power, I had to turn it off. Nothing like that happened with my Treo 650 or current phone.
Audio
Absolutely nothing noteworthy.
Treo Pro Software
So little left from Palm OS that there is nothing to discuss. Whatever new is there it comes from HTC or Windows, but when you hold a Palm in your hand you want it to be Palm and not HTC mixed with Windows, plus being always mistaken by people around you as an iPhone.
GPS, Messaging, Web, Office & Other Apps
Average
Multimedia & Entertainment
Shamefully poor
Conclusion
A totally average device, bringing remarkable disappointment. Quite normal in this world nowadays.

RE: Treo pro
anika200 @ 5/21/2009 10:58:13 AM # Q
So your Nokia E71 felt faster than the treo pro? I had the Nokia E62 and it was dog slow. Did they ever add any useful apps to that line of phones? I had a few cool apps but they froze some on the Nokia simbian os of the time maybe 1 yr ago. I actually did have a couple of cool games for the E62 phone.
Anyway, a slow phone bites big time no matter how cool it is.
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Question

jess329 @ 5/8/2009 12:54:22 PM # Q
Looks good
I'm forever dropping my phone and I've found that a carrying string is the best thing there is.
So my one concern is this- is there the opening in the phone in which the carrying string can be attached ?

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pocket Quicken Application

apsjr1 @ 6/11/2009 9:30:10 AM # Q
Does any one know if pocket quicken work with the palm treo pro

If it does please give me a report on how well

If it does not give me a report on why it doesn't work

thank

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Problems with Treo Pro and Service

chip @ 7/3/2009 11:28:24 AM # Q
I've had a Treo Pro about two months and it's the last Palm I'm going to buy. I don't have ANY third party software installed (as instructed by Palm), yet the phone locks up when receiving calls, making calls, and when it's being used. The switch on top of the phone to turn the phone on and off has never worked, meaning that when I go into meetings and turn the switch on vibrate, the phone will frequently ring. Today, the buttons on the phone started performing functions other than what they were programmed to perform requiring a soft reset each time this recurs. I've had nothing but trouble with the phone and am now told that I must be without a phone for five to seven business days for a repair. Good bye Palm. Even though my phone is brand new, I'm switching to an I-Phone.
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Palm Pro

Vilgiate @ 7/25/2009 12:04:33 PM # Q
This is my 2nd Palm. I had the 755p for two years and loved it. The Palm Pro is even better. I have not had any problems with it and I was able to set it up for email and contects in just a few minutes. I am not very computer savy, but it was easy to understand and work. I recommend this phone to anyone who wants a good phone for phone calls and a palm computer to up to date with news, sports, and the like.
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carrying string can be attached

NevTx @ 8/14/2009 7:19:03 PM # Q
So my one concern is this- is there the opening in the phone in which the carrying string can be attached ?

Yes, there is a tiny slit..and I mean tiny on the lower left corner.

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Palm Treo Pro

allteluser @ 9/16/2009 12:02:23 PM # Q
This phone simply SUCKS! there really is no better was to discribe it other than that.

This specific model, which thankfully I have not had anyothers, consistantly locks up. This applies to the internet, the text messages and calendar. Once this happens the only way to get it to start working is to take the battery out, just deleted all unread messages. WOW that really is a win win situation right? (not)

and my latest of course is touching the space bar closes all the windows and brings you to the main screen. Wait it does more magic tricks! fit it one more time and brings up your call log. :) Best of luck to anyone that has this phone, I picked up my 6th replacement today. Lucky me.

RE: Palm Treo Pro
SeldomVisitor @ 9/16/2009 12:28:34 PM # Q
I wonder if it will be getting the WinMo 6.5 upgrade a gajillion manufacturers have agreed to launch on October 6th.

Or perhaps a new Palm WinMo phone?

RE: Palm Treo Pro
hkklife @ 9/16/2009 1:15:06 PM # Q
SV;

No insider info here, just my gut assumption.

I think, despite arguably possessing the best set of overall specs on a front-facing Palm smartphone to date, we have seen the final Palm WinMob device in the Treo Pro. I also highly, highly doubt that we'll see it offered with a 6.5 upgrade or pre-loaded with 6.5. Remember the rumor immediately post-CES that the entire WM team had been dissolved?

Sprint has already removed the Treo Pro from their standard retail lineup, offering it only online and as a special mail-order device. Alltel is just a shell of its former self and AT&T never "officially" offered the device in subsidized form, save for the unbranded BestBuy subsidized version. So with no carrier support for testing etc. I highly doubt Palm will be motived to devote $ and manpower to testing and deploying an OS for rollout on a device that could theoretically cannibalize Pixi and Pre sales.

On the other hand, Verizon could always come out of nowhere with a version of the CDMA TP running 6.5. It would be unlikely but not impossible, as VZW was the only carrier to officially offfer the Treo 700wx with WM 6 last fall and Verizon's recently-acquired Alltel also still offers the Pro so it wouldn't have any major network issues.

SV, didn't you point out something from Palm's last quarterly announcement about an unexpected sale of handsets that had previously been written off? The Treo 800w on Verizon rumors from a few months ago would be a lot more believable if it was the Pro instead of the 800w...
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

RE: Palm Treo Pro
SeldomVisitor @ 9/16/2009 1:23:20 PM # Q
Yes, that unexpected sale made the gross margin of Palm acceptable, without it the margins would have been something like 16% (well into the "losing money hand over fist" range).

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My new Treo Pro

SRS8238 @ 10/26/2009 12:34:41 PM # Q
Beautiful look and feel, love having a touchscreen and keyboard. This is it for positive things I have to say about the phone... I had a MotorolaQ9 before this and even that piece of junk phone was better. The Pro just doesn't allow for any customization, web browsing is very slow and it wont play videos through google video. It freezes a lot. Just isnt any good. Also you have to click through a few screens to open programs rather than just having the icon on the desktop (which was fully customizable on my Q9)
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Used Treo Pro

fhext @ 11/13/2009 5:59:53 AM # Q
I"m looking for a used Treo Pro for parts. Like many of the other comments before this, I have had the same problem with it locking down during phone calls, start up, at random, you name it. The last time it locked up I found that the one major thing the Treo Pro doesn't handle was flying. Actually, I believe it was the landing. I have a few months left on my contract before being able to upgrade phones, so If I can find a replacement outer shell and put this thing back together< I'll be able to limp along a while longer.
RE: Used Treo Pro
danricks @ 12/19/2009 8:54:27 AM # Q
I have a working Treo Pro (only used a few days) that I am willing to sell to someone.
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Not upgradeable

davparker @ 1/19/2010 6:27:01 PM # Q
Don't buy this phone. There are no plans to upgrade the OS to 6.5, much less 7. Palm is doing it's customers a disservice.
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Palm Treo Pro

apluspest @ 5/10/2010 2:31:56 PM # Q
This is a terrible phone. It is designed poorly. I have taken it back to the Sprint store 6 times and am on my way for a 7th. It has been replaced once & hard rebooted twice. The stylus broke & they won't give me one that fits. Now it won't lock & it reboots itself. Sprint or Palm will not replace with another brand and I am very unhappy. I will not buy a Palm phone again.
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