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HP has released a prepared statement, by way of engadget, on the recent stir over comments made by HP CEO Mark Hurd yesterday. Apparently the reasoning is that smartphones are indeed amongst the range of devices they have in mind for webOS. The prspeak reads:

When we look at the market, we see an array of interconnected devices, including tablets, printers, and of course, smartphones. We believe webOS can become the backbone for many of HP's small form factor devices, and we expect to expand webOS's footprint beyond just the smartphone market, all while leveraging our financial strength, scale, and global reach to grow in smartphones.

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Hey, Hurd

richf @ 6/3/2010 4:43:09 PM # Q
Hey, buddy could you please get all your people to say the same thing. Typical big company. Left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. This is increasing my stress level. Gotta go take an Ativan.
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RE: Hey, Hurd
mikecane @ 6/3/2010 6:12:05 PM # Q
I really really really doubt we will see anything past the Pre and Pixi. And if we do, they will be totally craptastic. HP is not good at the phone thing.
RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 6:36:36 PM # M Q
Perhaps why HP bought Palm?

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
hkklife @ 6/3/2010 6:39:13 PM # Q
Don't forget the C40! It's been making the rounds of the rumormill for a loooooong time. The most recent reports indicate that it's a "similar but different" and vastly improved version of the Pre. Some say it'll be WiMax and others say 3G. I'm not holding my breath!

That said, I think Palm has/had very little in the pipeline past the 1-2 punch of the Pre/Pixi of 2009.


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RE: Hey, Hurd
Gekko @ 6/3/2010 7:00:25 PM # Q

nobody can argue with Hurd's track record. this man has single-handedly turned around HP since he took over the CEO spot. i'm not really a fan of HP but Hurd has done a great job for stockholders and the company. he knows what he's doing.

RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 10:39:11 PM # M Q
Palm's IP was purchased. Some of that IP resides between the ears of the staff. It is a team effort.

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 10:39:43 PM # M Q
Palm's IP was purchased. Some of that IP resides between the ears of the staff. It is a team effort.

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
e_tellurian @ 6/3/2010 10:40:20 PM # M Q
Palm's IP was purchased. Some of that IP resides between the ears of the staff. It is a team effort.

E-T

RE: Hey, Hurd
richf @ 6/5/2010 6:07:17 AM # Q
Just decided to do a little research on HP phones. As of now it looks like they only offer one smartphone. There is nothing that would cause me to make a purchase of one of these. Their only salvation, it appears to me, is to offer a webos device. It is interesting to note that next to the phone icon is an icon for a Ipaq pda. I did not look at this as right now I can't see them offering a pda running webos. However that would be an interesting choice. Looks to me like these devices are more for enterprise application. Look at this for what it is worth...http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=handheld&category=Smartphone&lanAttr=Type&orderflow=1&lanAttr=Type&a2=See+all&v2=iPAQ&catLevel=3#bcAnchor
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RE: Hey, Hurd
rpa @ 6/5/2010 7:26:50 AM # Q
richf: not bad looking hardware...and the price is reasonable if it was unlocked (but it's locked to AT&T). I'll hold off to see if HP refreshes their iPac line with WebOS even as a PDA. If WebOS still requires a data plan after HP tweaks it, it won't work for me as a phone due to all the international roaming I do.
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IP property

philpalm @ 6/4/2010 7:01:08 AM # Q
IP property is still great, a company like Sony did a great licensing job with Clie. Let's hope the brains that wer working on the tablet team can do miracles with WebOS.

Basically I think the brains with the smartphone aspect have escaped, hopefully HP has shut the barn door on the brains and personnel that left Palm...

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EVO 4G

Gekko @ 6/4/2010 8:42:01 AM # Q

what can i say that hasn't already been said by all of the reviews already posted. i've played with this thing for the last few hours and it's just killer. HTC did a great job. go play with one.
RE: EVO 4G
hkklife @ 6/4/2010 9:13:24 AM # Q
Thanks for answering some of these if & when time permits.

1. Is the backlight bleed-thru as bad as some reviews have said?

2. Any issues with the capacative touch buttons (home, search, menu, back) below the screen being overly sensitive? The ones on my Droid are very easily triggered.

3. Initial thoughts on the PIMs compared to Garnet? Did any of your contact fields or categories get corrupted in the Palm Desktop to Outlook to Gmail transition? Any issues yet with something started in Sense not migrating over to the Gmail cloud? Did all of your carefully calculated plans of PIM data migration + FTP access work the way you planned?

4. Any issues with the phone app dialing extra digital (for example, let's say I have 5 phone numbers listed for Person X: home 1, home 2, mobile, work 1, and work 2. With Garnet I could add a note in the phone number field such as "Home: 111-555-2222 (beach house) or something. But Android attempts to dial the 111-555-2222 number plus the numeric equivalents for b-e-a-c-h-h-o-u-s-e. Very annoying.

5. Does the protruding camera lens look as if it could be easily scratched? That's my one worry. The boss' HD2 has already got some scuffs on the lens after <2 months' of use.

6. Does the kickstand seem like a nice inclusion or a silly novelty? I think I'd rather have seen the space used for a larger capacity battery.

7. Is the camera fairly usable? I've seen sample stills & videos online and they range from very good to fairly lame.
8. I think I recall you saying you played with the HD2 in a T-Mob store a while back. Does the Evo feel just as well-built as the HD2?

9. Does the lack of a d-pad or trackball bother you at all so far? Does the touchscreen seem dead-on accurate? My Droid started to "drift" after about 6-8 weeks and there's no way to calibrate it. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, something it's overly sensitive and other times it's just fine. Reminds me of the old T|T days. I'm also curious as to real-world battery life after you've had a few days wth it (since I'd say your usage habits are probably rather similar to mine).

10. Just out of curiosity, what Sprint package do you have ? The $100 Simply Everything plan? I am seriously thinking about jumping ship in the coming months if Verizon doesn't bring out a very strong Android device w/ a real keyboard.
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/4/2010 9:45:14 AM # Q

hkk - thanks for the questions -

1. Is the backlight bleed-thru as bad as some reviews have said?

i heard about this. no bleed-thru on my unit. i went into dark closet to check.

2. Any issues with the capacative touch buttons (home, search, menu, back) below the screen being overly sensitive? The ones on my Droid are very easily triggered.

no they are Goldilocks PERFECT. responsive yet not too sensitive.

3. Initial thoughts on the PIMs compared to Garnet? Did any of your contact fields or categories get corrupted in the Palm Desktop to Outlook to Gmail transition? Any issues yet with something started in Sense not migrating over to the Gmail cloud? Did all of your carefully calculated plans of PIM data migration + FTP access work the way you planned?

the PIMs are fine so far. like anything else - after 10+ years of doing the same thing you need to have an open mind and learn new better ways. nothing got corrupted. i used Centro-->EAS->Nuevasync---->Gmail. "AndFTP" is a great app that lets me do free FTP to Cloud. free PUSH email is awesome too.

4. Any issues with the phone app dialing extra digital (for example, let's say I have 5 phone numbers listed for Person X: home 1, home 2, mobile, work 1, and work 2. With Garnet I could add a note in the phone number field such as "Home: 111-555-2222 (beach house) or something. But Android attempts to dial the 111-555-2222 number plus the numeric equivalents for b-e-a-c-h-h-o-u-s-e. Very annoying.

have no experienced this yet.

5. Does the protruding camera lens look as if it could be easily scratched? That's my one worry. The boss' HD2 has already got some scuffs on the lens after <2 months' of use.

YES - this is a design flaw IMO. the device literally rests on the back camera glass. im not sure if this will do much harm but i wont be laying the EVO on hard scratchy surfaces if i can help it. nothing a body glove case can't fix. i'm going naked and careful.

6. Does the kickstand seem like a nice inclusion or a silly novelty? I think I'd rather have seen the space used for a larger capacity battery.

the kickstand is awesome. when you have 4.3" display like this you want to prop it up and watch movies. Mike Cane types would be all over this. 4G HQ YouTUBE is cool.

7. Is the camera fairly usable? I've seen sample stills & videos online and they range from very good to fairly lame.

i have not tested camera/stills/videos at all yet. going out with buddies tonight for a night of debauchery so i will try to test then.

8. I think I recall you saying you played with the HD2 in a T-Mob store a while back. Does the Evo feel just as well-built as the HD2?

the HD2 was good build. the EVO is BETTER built IMO. higher build quality IMO. feels so solid and high quality. YET THIN.

9. Does the lack of a d-pad or trackball bother you at all so far? Does the touchscreen seem dead-on accurate? My Droid started to "drift" after about 6-8 weeks and there's no way to calibrate it. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, something it's overly sensitive and other times it's just fine. Reminds me of the old T|T days. I'm also curious as to real-world battery life after you've had a few days wth it (since I'd say your usage habits are probably rather similar to mine).

i havent missed not having a trackball yet. no need for one IMO with capactive touchscreen. and HTC keyboard includes arrows if needed.

10. Just out of curiosity, what Sprint package do you have ? The $100 Simply Everything plan? I am seriously thinking about jumping ship in the coming months if Verizon doesn't bring out a very strong Android device w/ a real keyboard.

$99/month Unlimited Everything - Voice+Data+Texts+GPS+TV+Radio

+$10/month for 4G allegedly.

Free Device Upgrade 1X per year.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/4/2010 9:47:18 AM # Q
>Does the touchscreen seem dead-on accurate? My Droid started to "drift" after about 6-8 weeks and there's no way to calibrate it. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, something it's overly sensitive and other times it's just fine. Reminds me of the old T|T days. I'm also curious as to real-world battery life after you've had a few days wth it (since I'd say your usage habits are probably rather similar to mine).

touchscreen is very sensitive and accurate so far.


RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/4/2010 12:02:21 PM # Q
>>>Mike Cane types would be all over this.

I've told you louts to stop invoking my name like this in your damned posts. I have a frikkin LifeDrive, why the hell would I want another small screen for video? And one that CAN'T do DiVX/XViD AVI too? I want the Archos 7 HT for that.

HTC EVO 4G: Nice Hardware, Horrible Sprint Software
http://grack.com/blog/2010/06/03/htc-evo-4g-nice-hardware-horrible-sprint-software/

Zzzzzz. Next week the iPhone 4 will be out. The EVO will become a footnote.

Next!

RE: EVO 4G
hkklife @ 6/4/2010 12:14:37 PM # Q
LifeDrive: 3.8" 320x480 LCD with no hardware acceleration, a feeble CPU, maximum 4GB internal + 4GB SD card support and an archaic, buggy OS.

Evo 4G: 4.3" 480x800 LCD with hardware acceleration, 1Ghz CPU, 1GB internal storage + 32GB memory card support (8GB card standard), HDMI output and a reasonably fast, modern OS. And a kickstand too!

Be patient, sir. I am sure an Android solution for DiVX/XVID will come along eventually. The platform is approaching such critical mass that it HAS to "grow up" eventually!

BTW, I fondled an Archos 5 tablet the other day and it felt horribly cheap and plasticky (but still has nice specs for the price)! The screen sensitivity and accuracy left a lot to be desired as well. I think Dell is going to end up being champ in the 5" screen category...but I still say 5" is the odd size out. Too big for yer pocket and too small to be a good PMP! 7"+ is the sweet spot.

The Evo will NOT become a footnote thanks to AT&T's recent pricing shenanigans. Aside from potential battery life, camera lens scratch, and no optical d-pad (all easily addressible if HTC feels it necessary in a 12-month refresh), it's the first "no glaring deficiency" smartphone to hit the market.

Also, Apple pulling a Palm and going backwards in screen size while still refusing to even give us a microSDHC slot or a user-replacable battery isn't helping matters much. iPhone will continue to lead the industry but eventually Jobs will have to dump AT&T for greener pastures if Android keeps gaining momentum at its current rate. Android still has a LONG way to go but even I must admit that its rate of improvements & adoption over the past 8-9 months has been staggering.
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RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/4/2010 4:05:16 PM # Q
>>>LifeDrive: 3.8" 320x480 LCD with no hardware acceleration, a feeble CPU, maximum 4GB internal + 4GB SD card support and an archaic, buggy OS.

>>>Evo 4G: 4.3" 480x800 LCD with hardware acceleration, 1Ghz CPU, 1GB internal storage + 32GB memory card support (8GB card standard), HDMI output and a reasonably fast, modern OS. And a kickstand too!

Shut up, you moron.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/6/2010 9:38:09 AM # M Q
So have any of you played with an EVO yet? I'm posting from it now. 24+ hours since purchase and it keeps getting better. Go check it out! Give it a little time to get used to a whole new modern OS but the hardware software and web integration is truly awesome. And the ability to customize your experience in so many ways is head spinning.
RE: EVO 4G
e_tellurian @ 6/6/2010 12:58:11 PM # M Q
You seem happy. Your joy is my joy.

Seems like you made a good choice for your wants and needs

E-T

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/6/2010 2:19:22 PM # Q
>>>So have any of you played with an EVO yet?

No. I saw two posters for it. About as close as I expect to come to it.

TOMORROW, new iPhone. Your EVO will become a footnote again.

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/7/2010 6:35:30 AM # Q
HTC EVO 4G sets new sales records for Sprint
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/07/htc-evo-4g-blows-away-sprints-first-day-sales-records/

>>>So, take the two previous record holders, tally up both of their sales for their first three days. The EVO sold three times that total in just one day.

Bah. The iPhone 4 will do a MULTIPLE of EVO one-day sales in its FIRST HOUR on sale.

Gekko, you're getting an iPhone 4, baby! LMAO!

so much for blaming Sprint
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 7:34:18 AM # M Q
that putz Ruby and the apologists all blamed Sprint. If you build a good phone they will come.no excuses.
RE: EVO 4G
sbono13 @ 6/7/2010 8:28:13 AM # Q
'The iPhone 4 will do a MULTIPLE of EVO one-day sales in its FIRST HOUR on sale."

Probably not-- EVO probably sold 300K on day 1, which is about 75% of what the iPhone 3GS did on launch (and that's with 2 weeks of preorders and on 20 carriers). iPhone 4 is selling into a bigger market, and it might out-launch the 3GS, but I think Android's taken a LOT of wind out of Apple's sales.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 8:58:52 AM # M Q
Hkk and any other Android Converts - Check out Calendar Pad - free App in market. Pretty good replacement for old PalmOS pim.
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 12:24:10 PM # M Q
Iphone 4 is pretty dull. My EVO blows it away. Of course the "Mike Cane Types" are easily fooled by hype.
RE: EVO 4G
DarthRepublican @ 6/7/2010 3:19:29 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:
So have any of you played with an EVO yet? I'm posting from it now. 24+ hours since purchase and it keeps getting better. Go check it out! Give it a little time to get used to a whole new modern OS but the hardware software and web integration is truly awesome. And the ability to customize your experience in so many ways is head spinning.

I played with it today at a Sprint store downtown. Very sweet hardware. I did some side by side comparison tests with my Palm Pre and even though my Pre is overclocked to 800MHz, the EVO beat it quite handily. Sprint did its usual bang up job by putting an black zip tie across the lower middle of the screen so it was hard to test the virtual keyboard but given that handicap, I really liked typing on the EVO keyboard.

Having said that, I found myself wishing the EVO had webOS. The Pre's UI just flows better than Android's. One annoying little quirk is that the EVO model that I played with would only switch from portrait to landscape if I turned it counterclockwise which wouldn't normally be problem except that the ugly black zip tie made the clockwise turn less convenient. My Pre on the other hand, will switch orientations in whichever direction I turn it - clockwise, counterclockwise, or upside down.

But overall a very nice piece of hardware.
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 4:00:14 PM # Q

>One annoying little quirk is that the EVO model that I played with would only switch from portrait to landscape if I turned it counterclockwise which wouldn't normally be problem except that the ugly black zip tie made the clockwise turn less convenient. My Pre on the other hand, will switch orientations in whichever direction I turn it - clockwise, counterclockwise, or upside down.

glad you got to check it out.

this is getting fixed along with some other minor tweaks and even faster speed in the next Android update 2.2 aka Froyo -

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-22-froyo-video-walkthrough-nexus-one

RE: EVO 4G
DarthRepublican @ 6/7/2010 4:13:39 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:
that putz Ruby and the apologists all blamed Sprint. If you build a good phone they will come.no excuses.

That's one theory. My theory is that perhaps Sprint finally learned a lesson about arbitrarily disabling features. The Pre for example, like the EVO, is perfectly capable of acting as a wifi hotspot, a feature which stodgy, old Verizon actively promoted when they finally got the Pre. Sprint on the other hand disabled this feature along with any kind of tethering that was not purchased as an expensive add-on.

http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009/6/15/sprint-warns-against-palm-pre-tethering-hacking.html

And the Palm Pixi didn't even have wifi until it got to Verizon.

All this proves is that Sprint has never had a decent selling phone until now and all those failures can't be someone else's fault. Sprint has to share in the blame.
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/7/2010 5:50:03 PM # Q

tethering? wow that's a stretch. come up with some better excuses please. maybe you and Beersie can uncover the conspiracy behind the Fooleo debacle too. maybe the CIA was behind it?

RE: EVO 4G
DarthRepublican @ 6/7/2010 11:47:22 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:

tethering? wow that's a stretch. come up with some better excuses please. maybe you and Beersie can uncover the conspiracy behind the Fooleo debacle too. maybe the CIA was behind it?

Just one example of how Sprint has traditionally undermined itself. Whether it's by limiting access to low-cost plans like SERO or by limiting advanced features like tethering, Sprint has traditionally shot itself in the foot almost as much Palm has with the Foleo debacle being only one of many examples.
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RE: EVO 4G
rpa @ 6/8/2010 6:47:32 AM # Q
Gekko: on Calendar Pad, can you set the timezone for individual events? As an international traveler, this feature alone is worth sticking with my Centro. Most calendars either shift all events relative to the new time zone (a disaster) or none. Thx for the Android updates.
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/8/2010 7:17:10 AM # Q
>>>Iphone 4 is pretty dull. My EVO blows it away.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH and HAHAHAHAHAHAHA and HAHAHAHAHAHAAH too.

No gyroscope for you!

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 7:46:46 AM # Q

rpa - Calendar Pad is simply a front face for the default Calendar App, so it really just gives you another customized "view" into the default Calendar. i actually stopped using it for this reason. i'm starting to like the Default Android Calendar - it's starting to grow on me. it takes a little getting used to after 11+ years with the PalmOS Calendar but it has its advantages. you just have to learn to do things a little differently. just because they are different does not mean that they are worse. nobody likes change at first but change is the only way we improve and advance.

not sure what the Android Default Calendar and OS does for different time zone events. i can check into it for you if you give me a specific question or scenario. and your outcome may vary depending on what Calendar you sync with ie Google, Outlook, EAS, etc. i use The Google.

RE: EVO 4G
rpa @ 6/8/2010 8:32:39 AM # Q
Gekko: thanks for the reply. Palm is my primary calendar and Outlook running on the desktop is my backup as I use Outlook for mail and Outlook calendar is useful for posting email invitations to events. Palm is what I carry around (obviously) and refer to as the working calendar.

I can link a weekly event like a conference call to Hong Kong's timezone and the time will shift relative to the new timezone so a 10 am call in HK will become 7 pm the day before when I am on the West Coast. GREAT. However, if I want to meet someone at 4 pm on Thursday when I am in Seattle, I can just put the time in at 4 pm on Thursday w/o any timezone link (Palm's default) and the event stays at 4 pm Thursday even when I change the clock from Hong Kong's time to Seattle's. Whoever added this feature to Palm's calendar knew what they were doing. I tried a Nokia for a week but a change in the phone's clock/date shifted EVERY event in my calendar (a disaster) so I went back to Palm. Even my PC running Outlook 2003 shifts all events so I keep the PC's clock set at Hong Kong time regardless of where I am. This may sound like a trivial matter but it is a deal breaker for me. Every calendar app should have this feature (if any developers are reading....).

Thanks again for the Android updates.....feedback coming from a Palm user is very useful for us who are still clinging to Garnet.

RE: EVO 4G
richf @ 6/8/2010 9:30:04 AM # Q
Oh boy, this guy drank the Jobs cool aid. Well everyone has an opinion. I'm getting the vibe that he didn't hear about the EVO 4 as he was writing his fluff piece. With that in mind read this and smile if you wish...http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/with-artsy-vibe-apples-jobs-pushes-iphone-parity-out-of-rivals-reach/35557?tag=nl.e539
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 10:55:37 AM # Q
>I can link a weekly event like a conference call to Hong Kong's timezone and the time will shift relative to the new timezone so a 10 am call in HK will become 7 pm the day before when I am on the West Coast. GREAT. However, if I want to meet someone at 4 pm on Thursday when I am in Seattle, I can just put the time in at 4 pm on Thursday w/o any timezone link (Palm's default) and the event stays at 4 pm Thursday even when I change the clock from Hong Kong's time to Seattle's.

this has my head spinning. i think my ADD kicked in.

not sure what Android does and i'm afraid to test this for fear of putting all my calendar events on Hong Kong time or worse. go play with an EVO with an open mind.


RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 10:57:40 AM # Q

Darth - what do you think the customer return rate will be on the EVO vs. the Pre/Pixi?
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/8/2010 2:07:17 PM # Q
Puhleeze. I'm not clicking through to any stupid comparison links!

1) Apple
2) Gyroscope
3) Killer screen
4) Apple
5) Apple

You just feel like your pants are on the ground because your EVO is already sooooo obsolete. LMAO.

RE: EVO 4G
nastebu @ 6/8/2010 3:04:25 PM # M Q
I use BusyCal on my Mac for timezone switching. It syncs with the iPhone and keeps all the events at the right time slot. If you have a Mac that might help you.

Gekko, the problem Is easiest to visualize with airplane aarival and departure times. Your departure is given in one time zone, and your arrival in another. You want to input both times and let the PIM know what timezone you're using, and then let the PDA sort out the calendaering.

RE: EVO 4G
richf @ 6/8/2010 5:35:21 PM # Q
Sorry boys, if you don't have one by now you ain't getting one. Sprint site says sold out. Check it here...http://shop.sprint.com/NASApp/onlinestore/en/Action/SubmitRegionAction?isUpgradePathForCoverage=false&currZipCode=&upgradeOption=&nextPage=DisplaySelPhoneDetail&equipmentSKUurlPart=%3FphoneSKU%3DAPA9292KT%26currentPage%3DphonePage&filterStringParamName=&newZipCode=17847&x=30&y=8
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RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/8/2010 5:56:20 PM # Q

it's so sweet.
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/9/2010 6:08:21 AM # Q
Sold out today, overstocked and discounted tomorrow.

NEXT!

RE: EVO 4G
rpa @ 6/9/2010 6:53:20 AM # Q
nastebu, gekko: If the calendar has the option of selecting a timezone for an event with no timezone being the default, it should work for me.
Where Is Your EVO God Now, Gekko?
mikecane @ 6/9/2010 12:30:20 PM # Q
Don't Buy The HTC EVO, It Is A Seriously Flawed Device
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/09/dont-buy-the-android-evo-it-is-a-seriously-flawed-device/

>>>The battery life is abysmal MobileCrunch calls it a "dealbreaker" and I agree. Yes you can do a few things to get a little extra time out of it, but this device routinely runs out of power while sitting on standby overnight next to my bed.

>>>And all this software trying to work together and in layers really does result in lots of bugs particularly with photos. Quite often they fail to save and you have to reboot the device.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/9/2010 12:47:40 PM # Q

well i actually own the device and love it. i've used it for several days and have had no such problems. you guys know me well enough to know that i'd be the first one to bitch and complain if there was a problem. but there's not. howver if you turn on the 8-hotspot, WIFI, 4G, BT, GPS, and max brightness yes you will run down your battery fast. unfortunately, the laws of battery physics have still not yet magically changed.

do what you like but listening to a lone sensationalistic article to make your decisions rather than review the device yourself does you no service.

Sprint offers a 30 day guarantee.

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/9/2010 12:57:32 PM # Q
Well, there's links there to others warning people off, and asstastic Arrington also gives a thumbs down.

BTW, I know you've been interested in CorePlayer and here's a very good explanation from the creators themselves as to why no Android version has yet appeared:
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2885

Still not imminent due to issues with Android itself.

Archos does it by ignoring Android altogether and writing native code for the hardware. Hell, I wish other device makers would do that! I'm really shocked HTC didn't do it for the EVO or even another device.

RE: EVO 4G
hkklife @ 6/9/2010 1:04:56 PM # Q
I agree with Gekko. One sensationalist journalist might dislike it but ultimately one must reserve judgement until after a person fondling and/or ownership. I also am the first one to bitch & moan about something and right now I can say from my extensive hands-on time with an HTC Incredible and very brief Evo time, things generally run smoother & generallly faster than stock Android does on my Droid though not as fast/smooth/reliable as a "pure" Nexos One experience.

HTC's Sense can be clunky and kinda dated-looking at times, and the various pieces of Sprint bloatware tend to clutter up the launcher but overall Sense addresses some of the most glaring deficiences of stock Android. Maybe in two years' time it won't be needed but for right now it's needed and appreciated. Compared to Moto's Blur, Sense is the definitey the lesser of the custom UI evils.

I'd like to see a Evo hardware refresh in 6-9 months' time with a flush (ie non-protruding) camera lens, overall better still/video image quality, a higher-capacity battery and 8gb of internal storage. Otherwise, it's a fantastic device and arguably one of the top 2-3 smartphones on the market.

I still like the Nexus One but it's already starting to feel a bit dated in its hardware & design (but early Froyo is a nice touch).

The Moto Droid needs to be put out to pasture ASAP. It reminds me of the Treo 650----it sold in large numbers and did a lot for the platform but it had some glaring deficiences at launch that have not improved over time, either via OS updates or in newer production batches (inferior reception to other Moto devices, weak battery life, dreadful keyboard, inaccurate touchscreen, horribly laggy Gallery app). The handful of Android 2.x devices with physical keyboards desperately needs some new fresh blood ASAP.
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RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/9/2010 2:43:23 PM # Q
>>>and very brief Evo time

And that told you all you needed to know about battery life, huh? Eejit.

RE: EVO 4G
abosco @ 6/10/2010 8:17:36 AM # M Q
I don't see the Evo as having large advantages over the iPhone 4. Both look very evenly matched. The network complaint of AT&T could be made if the Evo were on Verizon, but it's not, it's on Sprint. And the 4G is currently just a marketing gimmick, and the real-world tests that I've seen show no steady speed superiority over AT&T's 7.2 3G.

Really, I just don't understand why Apple is sticking with AT&T. They just announced a whole host of data-intensive apps like Netflix, Facetime, and 720p YouTube uploads, but we're now limited to 2 GB unless we want overages? Give me a ****ing break. This is the iPHONE, not the iPod Touch. I don't want to be held back because AT&T is scared of taxing their network. Get it on Verizon so that we can even out the load, drop prices, remove caps, and increase competition.

I really do believe that Apple has the superior platform, but limiting it to AT&T just gives Google plenty of room to come in and muck up the "good enough" campaign on every other network.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/10/2010 11:41:41 AM # Q

1. there's a big myth out there that Sprint has shitty network coverage. that's bullshit. i've been all over the country and never had a problem with the Sprint network. many times my cohorts on AT&T or Verizon have poor service yet i have great coverage. it is a fact that AT&T network sucks not only in the sticks but also in the major metro areas.

2. real world 4G is 10X faster than 3G.

3. Android OS is so much more open and flexible than the iPhone. you're in a closed lock proprietary walled garden at the mercy of Apple. no thanks.

4. Removable storage with accessible file system? Replaceable battery? maybe not deal-breakers but certainly nice to have.

5. Android's tight integration with Gmail and the Cloud is a huge selling point.

6. the EVO's 4.3" display blows everything else away. size does matter. i can't go back.

7. every lard ass and their brother has an iPhone today. i like to have something different.


RE: EVO 4G
rpa @ 6/10/2010 12:15:34 PM # Q
The best we can do internationally is the HTC Desire or the new HTC Wildfire (a Desire Mini) coming in July. The Wildfire is about $370 unlocked in Hong Kong. Might be worth a try.
RE: EVO 4G
hkklife @ 6/10/2010 1:10:05 PM # Q
RPA;

You might appreciate this. Very few people have traditionally purchased "full retail price" CDMA handsets here in the States. However, with the rapid rollout of new handsets, I am hearing about more people upgrading every 6-8 months and selling their previous handset to offset the purchase price of a new unit.

I found it rather interesting that the full retail price of the Evo 4G is "only" $450, vs. $599 for an HTC Incredible. That's a historically low price for a full-featured CDMA smartphone, much less a flagship device! Previously $400 would get you a new Verizon Pixi Plus or something in that neighborhood.

So I think that Sprint and/or HTC are really trying to get a lot of users who may have purchaed a Palm Pre sometime in the past 12 months to dump it and jump on the Evo bandwagon if they are ineligible for a contract extension and subsidized handset.

P.S. Gekko, to me, removable storage is very important and a replaceable battery is an absolute MUST. You'll find, as Mr. Cane likes to remind us, that Android devices generally have shitty battery life. I have one Droid battery in my phone, another in the desktop charger and another one in my travel bag 'just in case'.

The 4.3" screen is nice but at 800x480 I think 4.0" or 4.1" is going to be the new sweet spot. 4.3" honestly begs for something more along the lines of the iPhone 4's higher resolutions.
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RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/10/2010 1:48:35 PM # Q
>>>5. Android's tight integration with Gmail and the Cloud is a huge selling point.

Bwahahahahahaha.

JK on the Run had a post about what was sucking on his Evo's battery. Go take a look. Too lazy to dig up URL. He has several Evo posts you'd want to read anyway.

What no one is mentioning about the iPhone 4: do we really want to be touching the damned ANTENNA of a cellphone?! The entire side metal is two large antennae! Yum, leukemia.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/10/2010 1:49:32 PM # M Q
Hkk - remember that Sprint charges an extra $10/month for "premium data" if you want EVO. IMO that is how they subsidize the low EVO price. Once you go 4.3 you cant go back. Front pocket is fine.
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/10/2010 1:54:51 PM # M Q
Con. Ive OWNed THE PHONE FOR DAYS. its fine. And what do you care about battery life anyway? Just throw a charger in your hipster backpack along with the spare black converse all stars and oversized green army jacket, birkenstocks, one-hitter etc.
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/10/2010 3:18:50 PM # Q
You have a bizarre image of the way I dress! Good. You'll never recognize me as I come up to deck you some day. Hahahaha.

Did you see how The Cloud exposed all the AT&T data from iPad 3G owners? This is Your Future, Gekko. You can't get around that UDID like you can with Chrome's Incognito mode for your pr0n!

RE: EVO 4G
nastebu @ 6/10/2010 4:46:29 PM # Q
Sorry for the newbie question, but why is Android on the Evo better than Android on other phones? Is it that the hardware is so much better it runs more smoothly? or is it that HTC has optimized better? What's the secret sauce here?

Android phones are super rare in Japan so I've never actually used one.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/11/2010 12:18:54 AM # Q

nastyboy - take a 1GHZ processor and HTC Sense Special Sauce and a 4.3" display and plenty of RAM and you got lots of WOW.

Con - yes you are correct - i'm always just one drunken night away from a stripper/hooker/con artist stealing my phone from me. ironically, often i spend more on booze etc. in one night than the phone is worth. sad yes i know.

- 3:18am EST.

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/11/2010 7:54:37 AM # Q
>>>often i spend more on booze etc. in one night than the phone is worth

That's because you lack a soul. Probably a conscience too. Soon, you'll have to change your handle to LifetimeBlisters.

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/11/2010 8:46:48 AM # M Q
Your faux moral outrage and holier than thou self righteous indignation is duly noted but save it for your twitter friends.
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/11/2010 1:43:55 PM # Q
Hey, Gekko, I'm not the one who has a lifetime of infection ahead of him!
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/12/2010 7:29:07 AM # Q

well one week in and i really love my EVO. you guys don't know what you're missing.


RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/12/2010 8:02:50 AM # Q
Did you get Aldiko for it, for eBooks? Wait. Look who I'm asking about things like books and reading!
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/12/2010 10:47:16 AM # Q

books? books are obsolete!

i'm not a wannabe literary pseudo-intellectual like your faux twitter friends.


RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/12/2010 1:27:06 PM # Q
No, of course not. You're one of the looters of the world who will enjoy his own personal lamppost.
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/12/2010 5:27:44 PM # Q
RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/12/2010 6:06:37 PM # Q
Where the hell do you dig up this crap? What a hollow life you lead, in those rare times when the alcohol has been peed away and you recognize that thing in the sky is the sun and not the Very Wrath of God.
RE: EVO 4G
vetdoctor @ 6/12/2010 11:23:53 PM # M Q
Made the jump to the Evo. I'm ignoring the utter lack of PIMs and the occasional freeky webpage jump and just enjoying being able to read the screen . The Huge screen BTW

RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/13/2010 4:29:13 AM # Q

congrats. IMO the PIMs aren't bad. give it some time - they start to grow on you. like anything else - it takes a little while to get used to something new and a new way of doing things. change is sometimes painful even if it's for the better.


RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/13/2010 4:33:57 AM # Q

p.s. vetdoc - what device are you coming from? what is your device history?

RE: EVO 4G
mikecane @ 6/13/2010 10:00:39 AM # Q
I'll be interested to see what happens when you get Flash on that EVO.
RE: EVO 4G
Gekko @ 6/13/2010 10:52:19 AM # Q

the EVO 4G has adobe flash support in the browser. so does the Incredible.

RE: EVO 4G
BaalthazaaR @ 6/14/2010 8:02:14 AM # Q
Sprint Pre Vs EVO sales correction http://tinyurl.com/PreVsEVO
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Mayday, mayday

richf @ 6/4/2010 12:31:47 PM # Q
Help, the Pre I got on ebay will not activate. Only screen I get is set up profile or log into profile. Verizon says it is still active on the last owners phone number. What should I do? Tried to reset using both methods. Sat is my last day to send back.
Have a nice day!
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RE: Mayday, mayday
hkklife @ 6/4/2010 1:16:29 PM # Q
Return that pig ASAP and stick with your Droid. It's all too easy to get burned when buying used phones online, especially from E-Bay. Other than the improved multitasking, free hotspot (which Verizon can and likely will terminate at any time) and better UI/PIM functionality/keyboard, I don't see the Pre Plus having much to offer over a Droid.

Furthermore, Palm arrogantly designed their WebOS devices to require mandatory data activation & maintain persistent connections/service. On Android, you can do four clockwise taps on the activation screen and use the devices in wi-fi mode without any mandatory activation silliness. On a WebOS phone, you have to resort to all kind of Linux trickery & ROM hackery in order to bypass activation (at least that's how it was a few months ago when I last researched the matter).
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RE: Mayday, mayday
richf @ 6/5/2010 6:27:06 AM # Q
Thanks for your insight. Pre sets across the room from me boxed ready to ship back. My curiosity about webos won't let me pick it up and head to the post office. Finally got someone at Verizon that could tell me what is going on. He says I cannot activate until the tenth of this month when the previous owners billing cycle ends on the ninth. My wife says lets wait and see if it will activate next week. Really is what I need is an organization like AA to cure me of this Palm addiction. Oh well I have no idea at this hour how this soap opera situation will resolve itself.
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RE: Mayday, mayday
LiveFaith @ 6/7/2010 4:57:27 PM # Q
Keep it Rich! The OS is fabulous. I love mine. Would not touch the
Droid by comparison. Klunky as heck with a big screen.
Pat Horne
RE: Mayday, mayday
richf @ 6/8/2010 9:18:11 AM # Q
Thanks for the advice. Still got it. Guy is refunding $20 for my problems. Waiting impatiently to activate on thursday. After playing with this at the Verizon store I had to have one just to experience this new fangled webos. I would have never forgiven myself if I had passed on it totally. I still will have Droid to fall back on if the need arises. I'm just curious, always was for the underdog, and a lot of the time went against the grain of popular opinion.
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RE: Mayday, mayday
richf @ 6/11/2010 8:38:56 AM # Q
Well here's the verdict. Don't know if I should post but I still have good reflexes to dodge the brick bats. Anyhow I was on the phone with Verizon and Palm from 10:15a to 12:05p yesterday. Their verdict was that if I had gotten this from Verizon they would have told me to return it as they thought the software was corrupted. Well that was a challenge for me. Never had a Palm I couldn't get working. Got my thoughts together and searched Precentral and Treocentral forums and guess what. I wasn't the first to have this problem. Some guy on Precentral solved how to get a dial pad from the profile create screen in order to get to the data plan. After getting the dial pad simple to dial *228 and program the phone. This took from 6 p to about 8p.
Have a functioning Pre for less than 24 hrs now so naturally I'm not an expert. I do like the small volumn of the thing. Fits my empty pocket with no case. I like the pond ripple effect when touching the screen. Digitizer is accurate. Nice screen, good color. I like the feel of the screen and it is not overly sensitive that drives me nuts on the Droid. Not exactly a Treo keyboard but I will adjust at some point. I don't like the slow processor but am now getting to a point to assure stability. Will sometime get classic to run some old Palm stuff I've had for years. Then an over clock will come later. A slow deliberate process for me. Keep in mind this a project for me and the Droid is always on my stand ready to jump into service if needed. Remember curiosity is good in some controlled instances. Lunch time!
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Happy Birthday, Palm Pre!

mikecane @ 6/5/2010 8:32:50 AM # Q
RE: Happy Birthday, Palm Pre!
nastebu @ 6/8/2010 5:04:05 AM # Q
Which is at very least an opportunity to compare the pace of development on different smart phone platforms. Any opinions on how well Palm has kept up to the competition?
RE: Happy Birthday, Palm Pre!
mikecane @ 6/8/2010 7:15:35 AM # Q
Palm has not kept up. When they saw the Pre wasn't doing as expected, they should have realized it was THE PHONE, not the damned carrier. Now that it can also disappoint with non-sales at Verizon and AT&T, will they catch on?

We never did see any big announcements about "X million" of either Pre or Pixi being sold, have we?

And I have yet to see either phone in the wild.

Still: iPhone, Sidekick (or SK-like phones, hard to tell nowadays), Berry, and a rare stray Droid.

RE: Happy Birthday, Palm Pre!
LiveFaith @ 6/10/2010 10:30:50 PM # Q
Go somewhere besides the Dollar Tree and the Build-&Bear Workshop and you'll see a lot more. Great device too.
Pat Horne
RE: Happy Birthday, Palm Pre!
Gekko @ 6/11/2010 12:21:42 AM # Q
Congratulations Reverend. you went from a dinosaur to a woolly mammoth.

maybe you should have laid off the drugs back in the 80's?????????????

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