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"With webOS, HP will deliver its customers a unique and compelling experience across smartphones and other mobility products," said Todd Bradley, executive vice president, Personal Systems Group, HP. "This allows us the opportunity to fully engage in growing our smartphone family offering and the footprint of webOS."
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RE: Pre 'FREE' on ATT or VZW
Pat Horne
RE: Pre 'FREE' on ATT or VZW
Do they need to be tied together to sink?
Will one rock not sink alone?
Will they sink if placed in cement?
Will they sink in water that's frozen?
Do they sink if attempting in weightless environs?
... you'll be sad when I get my new printer with 4G, AMOLED, and WebOS.
Pat Horne
RE: and so it ends
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RE: and so it ends
Pat Horne
RE: and so it ends
A new beginning
E-T
RE: A new beginning
Pat Horne
RE: A new beginning
E-T
RE: A new beginning
Supposedly, they are looking at getting rid of two third party embedded OS'es with this. First is ThreadX that allegedly runs on most of their printers and scanners. Second is they want to eliminate, if not severely compromise Window Mobile and make some good mobile systems. Perhaps we will even see an HP-branded and webOS-based tablet computer.
It does look bright. How long will the Palm logos say on the buildings on Maude Ave?
SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ae9qmbnMj4
-- you must watch ALL 15 minutes of it.
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
For example - HP gives Palm the ability to launch a new phone simultaneously on multiple carriers like Samsung is doing with their new Galaxy line of phones. Why? Because HP doesn't need the carrier kickbacks and marketing aid that come with the exclusivity agreements (Palm needed these because they were so cash poor). HP has a huge marketing and sales department that can spend gazillions on advertising campaigns to build awareness - one bad campaign won't sink HP like the way it did Palm with the creep girl ads (though I still hope HP can manage a home run campaign like Motorola/Verizon did with Droid).
The only open questions are longer term - does HP/Palm license webOS for non-core markets? We know Google's Android will be everywhere (phones, tablets, TVs, etc - Google makes money off search - not the devices) but how will HP/Palm compete with that? And, if HP for some reason doesn't end up being successful (by whatever metric they decide to measure that), how long will they continue the no-holds-barred investment in Palm/WebOS before shifting strategies (i.e. they decide mobile is non-core and go back to just being a licensee)?
Anyway, with Apple and Google mostly being consumer oriented, there's a real opportunity for HP in the enterprise markets, especially when it comes to tablets. I figure if they can quickly (within 6-9 mos) come out with a strong tablet, it will help them win share in mobile phones (they'll no doubt have solid phones, they'll find an increasingly saturated market and have difficulty cutting through the chatter). For the other non-mobile devices the lead time is longer - webOS in printers, cameras and instant-on webOS BIOS PCs (if those come to fruition) probably won't come until mid-2011 at the earliest.
Microsoft continues to flail around in the mobile space - allowing Windows Mobile momentum to melt away while investing in the Kin (completely mistargeted product which took way too long to come to market) and killing the Courier shows just how adrift they are. How many OEMs will sign up for Phone 7 once it is finally released (and will consumers even care)? Nokia's two OS strategy (Symbian and Meego) dilutes what should be a stronger presence - though they look to be getting closer to moving forward with Meego and ditching Symbian. And RIMM looks to me like they might be the next Palm - taking a painfully long time to update their OS and increasingly outmatched financially in a game of behemoths (Google, Apple, MS, Nokia, HP, Intel).
It'll be interesting...
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
I hope you are right BTW.
Pat Horne
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
WebOS' "synergy" is really extremely powerful and seamless in it's functionality. I shutter to think how they even make it work. To the end user it just works and works great. That being said, the patriot in me never forgets big brother and the fact that the cloud is possessed by the unknowns and not me.
Pat Horne
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
over? was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
HP has established relationships with every damned carrier. HP's SMS software is the MIDDLEWARE everyone in the cellphone space uses. This gives webOS an advantage NO OTHER OS can hope for. HP has had a trusted long-term relationship with all those vendors, unlike either Apple or Google. If HP says, "Look, put this webOS middleware on your network and carry our devices, and we'll all clean up like hell" -- carriers will listen and DO.
I also didn't know about these frikkin apps already built-into HP's printers.
And that HP guy in that video has one hell of an impressive resume going there. Plus, he came out of retirement to work at HP. Someone like him could have gone anywhere, but he went to HP. He had to have liked what HP told him they wanted to do.
And I also liked the fact one of the first things HP did was run a contest with all the engineers to build webOS apps. DAHYUM! Talk about everyone getting hands-on experience with it! All those engineers could also look at it and immediately see what heavyweight things would improve webOS.
If Apple and Google have been laughing at Palm, they'd better start paying attention. The sh*t is going to start to getting serious soon.
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
In connection with completion of the Palm acquisition by Hewlett-Packard (HPQ), some Palm staffers this week were handed their walking papers.
One now-former Palm staffer who got the ax this week tells me that while there were "many others" cut, but that the company would not say exactly how many people lost their jobs as a result of the deal. "Pretty ironic for a company that said it was going to double-down on WebOS," my contact writes.
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
Gekko is blinded by his EVO. I await his yips of pain when Android 3.0 makes it slow as molasses later this year. Suddenly, webOS on a tablet will look mighty good to him and he'll be screaming to HP for a new phone with it.
RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
I'd be content to have Rob Haitani, Jeff Hawkins, the tap counter guy, and Donna Dubinsky come out of retirement/semi-retirement to join the party over any HP people. Throw in CES Dewar, Dmitry Grinberg, Aaron Ardiri, some of the TCPMP crew and Marc Blank alongside some young Linux studs and that'd be pretty much good enough for me.
@ jptx;
That's the best concept I've heard in ages. In fact, it's almost a no-brainer (along with my idea to sell leftover Centros at $99 retail w/ $20 monthly unlimited data service through Virgin Mobile etc). It'd also make sense to have a $200 or $300 wi-fi only version for the budget-minded. it's such a good concept that HP/Palm or Sprint would want to run with it. But what size screen would you like to see? I feel that maybe 1366x768 on 10.6" or so is the sweet spot?
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RE: SHOCK! HP *gets* it!
yet...
a few webos people leave, several vp's leave, *and* HP axes a bunch of people.
Sounds like HP is not off to a good start with all of this.
HP Now Selling Palm Phones
http://www.cellstores.com/mobile/?r=hp
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Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
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Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
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RE: HP Now Selling Palm Phones
RE: HP Now Selling Palm Phones
RE: HP Now Selling Palm Phones
Palm was discretely (Ha!) positioning itself for sale after the Pre launch got bungled. But all that money they were burning through at to fast a pace to survive was going to build something. That something should get at least Mr. Fuzzycam here in a few days.
Pat Horne
RE: HP Now Selling Palm Phones
RE: HP Now Selling Palm Phones
"Lately my life has seemed hollow and pointless, so I thought I'd buy a new gadget." – Men's Health Cartoon, October 2005
RE: HP Now Selling Palm Phones
Which is precisely why I DON'T buy everydamnthing everyone else buys. My life ISN'T frikkin hollow and pointless. STFU, Gekko -- which of us two HAS to visit strippers? Not me, baby.
The seven lives of Palm computing
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_15431301
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Screw convergence
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RE: The seven lives of Palm computing
Yeah, now that's what webOS needs today!
RE: The seven lives of Palm computing
HP would do a better job of clearing out inventory if they use their current Palm inventory for a landfill.
RE: The seven lives of Palm computing
RE: The seven lives of Palm computing
BTW, the netbook section at J&R -- the only remaining big non-chain electronics retailer in NYC -- is like a ghost town these days. They carried a very large selection of netbooks. Now, no one is showing up to look at them anymore. That's the iPad doing that.
RE: The seven lives of Palm computing
Costco had maybe 1 netbooks on display and had actually beefed up their desktop selection. Office Depot was the most surprising. They had a single N270 HP Mini ($269 ish) and a comparable Acer netbook powered by an N450 ($299 IIRC). Both models were on an endcap and looked like they could be pulled at any moment. I did notice, however, a Lenovo and a Toshiba 11.6" ultraportable. That is the formfactor that PC manufacturers are going to retreat to in face of iPad/other pad competition. Both of the 11.6" machines there were AMD-powered, unfortunately, and pretty low end devices (2GB RAM etc) despite the nice Radeon integrated graphics. Intel's still in the process of migrating from Core 2 to Core i architecture for their ULV line so that's not really surprising. The Lenovo had a phenomenal chiclet keyboard and a touch pad + trackpoint combo.
I'm still going to stick with my Intel SU7300-based Acer 1810T for the time being, though the concept of a convertible tablet like the HP TM2 still intrigues me.
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RE: The seven lives of Palm computing
I'm not convinced although the iPad is on sweet operating device. Smooth as glass OS like my Pre. I can be converted. But, I just don't see enough functional advantage over my $300 1008 EeePC, which is just killer.
Pat Horne
Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
http://www.boostmobilestore.com/bpdirect/boost/PhoneList.do?action=view&id=i1
And if that doesn't work, just go to the site. They're pimping it large on the front page.
I happened to find out about this a few hours again when I was passing a check cashing place(!) and saw an ad for the iPhone 4(!) in the window. Right above it was an ad for this new Android Boost phone. I haven't even read the specs yet.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
**a few hours AGO.
I blame the heat for that typo.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
So here are the specs from the Motorola site:
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.MOTOROLA-i1-US-EN.alt
It's in-store only, so the Boost site doesn't even list a frikkin price on it! Googling, I see it's most likely $349.00. Interesting, but not altogether compelling at the moment for me. I'll give it some thinking.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
you should be all over this you f*********g dinosaur. set it on WIFI and pay as you go for voice. God forbid a meteor hits Satan Island and you become extinct.
see you at Coney Island.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYLchhw_gM
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
p.s. i'll be looking for the disheveled guy with the velcro slippers.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
So....the pre-paid Android market remains wide-open for a better entry from someone like LG, Alcatel, or especially that slick little Kyocera Zio. Heck, VZW should just unload all of their old unsold inventory of Droid Eris & Devours to Straight Talk!
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
perhaps there are contractual reasons it's neutered because of one or more party's request.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
Have a nice day!
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
rich - have you played with an EVO yet? the display makes the Incredible's look tiny and cramped.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
Otherwise, 4.3" is THE wave of the future. However, I really think the Samsung Galaxy S Pro strikes the perfect balance between formfactor and usability and size. A nice slide-out physical keyboard AND a 4.0" AMOLED screen AND WiMax. What's not to love (other than the fact that Samsung will likely orphan the device shortly after launch)?
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
Duh. You will NEVER, EVER have reception issues in either an Apple Store or an AT&T Store. They are specially kitted out for the baddest-ass signal strength around. In fact, we're probably being inched towards leukemia just passing by those places. Hell, you could probably put the iPhone 4 in a lead box and it'd STILL get a frikkin signal in either of two stores.
Wal-Mart might be an entirely different matter. I don't have one I can get to, so I can't say anything about that.
Shame about that Boost Moto phone having 1.5. I don't think there's anything contractual about it. Just the usual dumbness on the part of Moto. Don't forget, they've put their Blur lipstick over Android, so a quick upgrade is not an easy thing (as HTC always tells Sense phone owners). There's another Android phone coming for the prepay market. I just keep forgetting from who. Palm better make a move into that space.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
Have a nice day!
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
Have a nice day!
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
The Droid (original Moto droid) has one of the WORST virtual keyboards ever. I honestly think I could peck words out faster on my old Palm Pilot's onscreen keyboard with the stylus than I can type on landscape mode on my Droid. And don't even get me started on portrait mode virtual keyboard!
I have used an Incredible (as well as an Evo) and I must say that both are leagues better than the Droid's virtual 'board. But after spending a lot of time with the boss' HD2, there's no turning back from a big screen. Going back to the misery of stock Android for a moment: Heck, I have the Skype beta on my Droid and it does better in hunt'n peck mode than the stock Android keyboard, aside from having horrible, horrible lag.
@ Mike;
Kyocera has that very nice thin Android prepaid phone coming soon (presumably to Virgin). Alcatel has that Pre-esque red slider device with the physical keyboard.
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
Apple makes a good product. i just like my EVO and Android better. and i like my little Windows 7 Netbook better than an iPad.
i did buy an iPhone headset though.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
That's not me. I don't want an iPhone 4 until I know touching its antenna is OK. But then there's also the discovery I made in the AT&T brochure for the iPhone 4 -- they've capped monthly data to just ** 2GBs **!!
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/verizon-wireless-said-to-start-offering-iphone-ending-at-t-s-exclusivity.html
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RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
The cell companies operate like the airlines. One of them gets away with something and they all pile on. Verizon will cut THEIR data allotment to a screw-the-customer 2GBs too. As it is, it's a rotten 5GBs.
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
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HTC's recent Android devices (Evo, Incredible etc) ship with Flash Lite 4.0 already. Remember, they (HTC) use their own Webkit-based browser over the standard Android browser. They're otherwise pretty similar and by all accounts the Flashite player is buggy and rather limited, but it's something and it's available NOW..
RE: Uh-oh! Boost Mobile now has Android!
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Pre 'FREE' on ATT or VZW
http://www.cellstores.com/mobile/?r=hp
Looks like the Palm branding will survive. And (a huge AND) the "Palm" group will be responsible for it's own s/w development. Now, no promises are made that HP's s/w team will not slowly meld into it. But if they will just keep the Palm culture and back it with a litte cash, then it will pay back huge rewards IMO. All good signs, but I'm still a bit skittish.
Pat Horne