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us mobile market share october 2010 According to the latest Nielsen survey figures, WebOS is rapidly losing market share to Android, iOS, and BlackBerry, as it clings to just 1.3% of the overall U.S. smartphone market share. Stunningly, Nokia's Symbian OS, long considered a no-show in the US market, still has nearly 3x the market share than that of WebOS.

Even more chilling, according to Precentral.net, is Nielsen's classification of "Palm OS" in its data—this includes both WebOS devices and classic Palm OS Garnet devices such as Treos and the Centro. According to Nielsen, Palm's WebOS, presumably falling into the catch-all category of "other", did not even make a dent in the "next desired smartphone operating system" figures.

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Hold that Line!

LiveFaith @ 12/3/2010 11:27:06 AM # Q
I better hang in there with my Pre or we could drop below 1%. Keep it up Palm, you are already 1% ahead of where Apple was before releasing the iPhone. Future looks bright.
Pat Horne
RE: Hold that Line!
Gekko @ 12/3/2010 3:45:02 PM # Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pu4atg6Kow

RE: Hold that Line!
gmayhak @ 12/7/2010 7:21:46 PM # Q
Well this sucks! For years I have religiously visited two sites every morning, Palminfocenter and Numenta's forum. Now it's like going to a couple graveyards. I'll soon take down Talestuff.com, I've kept it going because there are still people using TX's and wanting microphones.
Numenta (Jeff Hawkins) invested years of development in their NuPic 'intelligent' software, then recently obsoleted it and started over with 'HTM cortical learning algorithms' to simulate neuron columns. Nothing happening there 'till sometime in 2011 when they release new software.
I'll keep checking back here to see Gekko's latest youtube links but it just isn't what it use to be.
For now, my iPad and NetFlix are keeping me happy.

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RE: Hold that Line!
LiveFaith @ 12/7/2010 8:08:46 PM # Q
Gary,

Thanks for all your contributions. I actually am one of the few that actually posses a new device around here, so it's kinda crickets for anything more than market discussion and Gekko being envious of my homebrew apps.

Thx for doing the hardware that Palm refused to do. Keep the contributions coming.
Pat Horne

RE: Hold that Line!
HyperScheduler @ 12/8/2010 2:08:19 PM # Q
Please don't take down TaleStuff.com! I recently purchased a Palm TX and am reviewing my options for improving it.
RE: Hold that Line!
gmayhak @ 12/8/2010 6:19:03 PM # Q
Thanks Pat & HyperScheduler :-)

I'll keep it going for a while, still selling a few mics/week and a little of the other stuff. When I do take it down you can find me on the web and I'll always have left over inventory available. I still can't believe that a company could be so clueless to think they could dump everything that built them and start over. Well, I'm happy that Apple & Google are providing what Palm failed to, we need our cool toys!

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RE: Hold that Line!
VampireLestat @ 12/19/2010 12:26:10 AM # Q
"I still can't believe that a company could be so clueless to think they could dump everything that built them and start over. "

Gary you are SO right with that comment.
The day Palm dumped all their Palm OS devices and hide them, even removed them from their palm.com site was the day I knew they were totally off track, mismanaged, panicking and dead.

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so i guess this is how it all ends?

Gekko @ 12/3/2010 3:52:04 PM # Q

and that's that.

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
Tuckermaclain @ 12/4/2010 7:35:05 AM # Q
Web OS may live on for a while longer as a sticker on HP printers. How humiliating for the "little device that could."

I still wonder, why did Access buy Palm OS?

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
richf @ 12/4/2010 9:06:12 AM # Q
Well my crystal ball says that Access thought they had a captive customer. I believe they figured they owned the next Palm os. We see how that worked out. I was always hoping that after Palm passed they would sell it to past Palm device users. You know like the other os companies put their hand in our wallet every so often.
I will be sad when WebOS is dead and gone, but I got over IBM os passing into the great os heaven. However before we get too weepy lets wait on some of HP Palm phones and tablets. Some of us may get a surprise when it rises from the dead. I've been using my Pre and it is the closest thing to Palm os that is out there. But that doesn't mean I am not hedging my bets. I still use the Droid, wifi of course, to surf when riding the stationary bike or don't feel like firing up the MacBook.
OBTW, CalorieCounter for Android just got an update and is now more like BalanceLog for Palm than ever before. We're almost there. Absolute Fitness for WebOS needs an update because it is lagging far behind. It's usable but barely.
Have a nice day!
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RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
Gekko @ 12/4/2010 2:43:09 PM # Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6E5U5il4CQ

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
ChiA @ 12/7/2010 1:27:05 PM # Q
why did Access buy Palm OS?

I suspect Access is asking itself that very question!

Knowing what we now know, was Palm correct in snubbing Cobalt/ALP and creating WebOS?

Cobalt's and ALP's hardware requirements seem modest for today's hardware; were they too far ahead of the hardware of the time?

Let's not forget that unlike Cobalt and ALP, WebOS actually made it into consumer's hands.

If Palm hadn't distracted itself with the Foolio then maybe it would have been a different story today.

I think even Access have now conceded to Android; they've produced Graffiti for Android.

Android is the coffin, nail, shovel and dirt for ALP.

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
hkklife @ 12/8/2010 4:50:39 PM # Q
Not proceeding with Cobalt (or at the VERY minimum, a substantial overhaul of Garnet) back in 2003-2005 can basically be seen as the beginning of the end of Palm/PalmSource/Access etc.

To this day, I still have trouble believing Cobalt was *that* bad. Surely whatever was wrong with it couldn't have been so horribly broken that some dilligent troubleshooting couldn't have resolved it well enough to run on at least average PDA & smartphone hardware from 5-6 years ago.

Had the Palm OS 5.x line effectively ceased around the time of the T3 in 2003 or the Treo 650 in 2004, the several years leading up to (and even for a time after) the iPhone could have been Palm's for the taking if they'd had a halfway-competive OS solution.

Smartphone users in 2004-2006 weren't asking for cloud-based sync & apps stores, HD screens, video calling, simultaneous voice/data etc. They just needed something that could support hardware a notch or two above the Treos that Palm was shipping with Garnet at the time...such as 802.11b/BT/WWAN support, more than 32mb RAM and maybe a 320x480 screen.

If you take the money spent by Accesfor the PalmSource acquisition, used by Palm for endless Garnet patching, the Fooleo debacle, and, ultimately, WebOS development/marketing, that would have been a LOT of $ that could have gone toward perfecting Cobalt. Essentially, what is now today's Android could have been the 3rd or 4th generation of ALP (or any Linux-based Cobalt successor) had there been a proper migration path from Palm OS 5 past its anticipated EOL date in the the 2004-2005 timeframe. I distinctly remember around time of the OS5 launch in 2002 that OS5 was intended to be a stopgap solution for a year or two while the true next-gen OS was readied. Whoops!
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RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
Gekko @ 12/8/2010 5:14:41 PM # Q

i believe Cobalt was an unfinished mess by the time they needed it and Colligan et al passed. they decided to run with PalmOS and WinMob until they could rush out webOS. regardless - i don't think Palm had the talent or resources to compete with the iPhone and Android Tsunami that was coming in 2007-2009 - so it's all a moot point. Cobalt or ALP would not have saved them - even if they weren't both an unfinished mess. iPhone and Android simply changed the game in such a drastic way that Palm's fate was sealed.

RIM is screwed too.

http://gizmodo.com/5708768/can-you-figure-out-wtf-rims-ceo-is-talking-about

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20101207/rim-co-ceo-mike-lazaridis-live-at-dive-into-mobile/

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
gmayhak @ 12/8/2010 6:01:56 PM # Q
I agree Kris, I disagree Gekko.
Palm had a s**tload of good apps and savvy developers when the iPhone was just a twinkle in Steve's eye. They threw away everything betting on the cloud. With a compatible transition they'd still be in the game.

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RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
Gekko @ 12/8/2010 6:14:48 PM # Q

there's an old saying - "Anybody that CAN play in the NFL - IS in the NFL."

think about it.

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
Gekko @ 12/9/2010 4:51:37 AM # Q

Google's VP of Engineering, Andy Rubin, utilized the social-network Twitter to drop some knowledge on the world. Mr. Rubin notes that his company's mobile operating system is now being activated on over 300,000 phones each and every day. That's over 2.1 million phones every week and over 9 million phones every month.

http://www.bgr.com/2010/12/09/andy-rubin-over-300000-android-phones-are-being-activated-every-day/

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
ChiA @ 12/12/2010 1:56:12 PM # Q
Building on what was said here, perhaps Sony was a driver for the split? Maybe they felt there was a conflict of interest between Palm licensing the OS and making products which competed with Sony CLIEs?

Can anybody remember whether Sony announced the discontinuation of the CLIEs before or after the PalmOne/PalmSource split?

What if Sony had purchased the Palm OS or even the pre split Palm itself? Would we have a super duper CLIE smartphone today?

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
Gekko @ 12/12/2010 2:30:05 PM # Q
>What if Sony had purchased the Palm OS or even the pre split Palm itself? Would we have a super duper CLIE smartphone today?

1. what makes you think Sony could have saved Palm in the smartphone space? Sony couldn't save Sony in the smartphone space.

2. what makes you think HP can save Palm in the smartphone space? HP couldn't save HP in the smartphone space.

why do people constantly cling to the notion that a giant company who failed in the smartphone space can save a smaller company who failed in the smartphone space? what changes? what's the magic? what's the catalyst? how does 1 + 1 = 100?

"oh - if only XYZ Company had bought Palm we would have Palm superphones today."

really??? why?

RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
hkklife @ 12/12/2010 2:42:25 PM # Q
As I've stated before, Palm's best chance to save themselves would have been keeping Palm/PalmSource intact and pushing Cobalt out in a timely manner in 2005ish. If they'd done that, then followed it up with a natural next-gen (likely Linux-based) successor in 2007-2008ish or so, there probably wouldn't be any Android or MeeGo as we know them right now and iOS would look drastically different. And of course, avoided the Fooleo entirely!

Sony did quite a bit of good early on in the Clie days by pushing Palm to improve their devices with color screens, multimedia, more RAM etc. But towards the tail end of the Clie era, those devices became "me too" rehashes with questionable design decisions and quirks software. In a way, Palm, PalmSource, and Sony are all culpable for fragmenting the Palm OS market too much with having to write different versions of apps varying DIA standards, high-res screens support, etc. Same essential thing is happening to Android right now, just at a magnitude of about 1000x bigger.

Sony basically took what they learned with the Clie line and applied it to the PSP, so I doubt if they ever even looked backwards.
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RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
hkklife @ 12/12/2010 2:49:39 PM # Q
ChiA;
Sony announced the end of the domestic Clie line in mid-2004. The PalmSource spin-off occured throughout 2H 2003. By early 2004, we were well into the lame "Palm0ne" branding era (ugh).

2004 and most of 2005 were REALLY bad years for us Palm faithful. Other than the TX, almost nothing positive occured during that time, as Palm did nothing but release weak devices that were inferior to their predecessors while foolishly spending countless $ on lawyers, repackaging, and rebranding.

The Handspring acquisition of 2003 WAS a good move as it delivered them the Treo 600 which was a huge improvement over Palm's only in-house smartphone (T|W).

Sony was already well into their PSP efforts by the time they decided to jettison the Clies. I don't think they had anything to do with the spin-off. That was just more Palm corporate shenanigans and smoke'n mirrors maneuverings..
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RE: so i guess this is how it all ends?
gmayhak @ 12/12/2010 5:58:12 PM # Q
Gekko> why do people constantly cling to the notion that a giant company who failed in the smartphone space can save a smaller company who failed in the smartphone space? what changes? what's the magic? what's the catalyst? how does 1 + 1 = 100?

Gary> A failed because they didn't have the talent, B failed because they didn't have the bucks. A + B = success! That's why.
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i love this ad

Gekko @ 12/6/2010 12:27:03 PM # Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_2YnKA-lI

RE: i love this ad
hkklife @ 12/6/2010 3:16:23 PM # Q
Stick with your Evo, Gekko. I wouldn't trade my Droid X for this thing at all. We will hopefully have our respective Gingerbread updates within the next 4 months or so. No worries!

I am extraordinarily disappointed by this POS. Why?

1. No removable storage. That is unforgivable and, IIRC, the first for an Android device. Totally limits the flexibility and expandability of the devices and makes it looks like Samsung it doing a cheap & lazy Palm/Apple/Microsoft cash-grab to force users to buy new devices instead of being able to expand their onboard storage. I have 8gb built-in + 32Gb & 2x 16Gb microSDHC cards for my Droid X now. One is full of movies, one is full of high-bitrate songs and the big one has maps for offline navigation plus plenty of room for "whatever" else, since I have taken to just using my phone in lieu of a USB thumbdrive 90% of the time if a microUSB cable is present. This really sucks.

And the WHOLE point for the big Froyo hoopla was "Apps2SD". This may also break compatibility for a lot of older apps (think GPS) & games that download a lot of data to external storage and expect there to be a microSD card. What if they're not updated to be Gingerbread-friendly? This is going to be a very weak phone for developers and will only further fragment the Android market...again, unless Google's wanting to push for non-expandable storage in all future devices.

2. Only 16gb offered for internal storage. This is almost 2011, people. It's not 2008-2009. Another lame move that looks like something Palm would've done.

3. Lame Samsung plasticky build quality

4. No AT&T-compatible 3G bands. So you're stuck on T-Mobile and with EDGE most elsewhere.

5. No HSPA support. Also a shame, especially with the surprisingly nice reports of T-Mobil's beefed up "almost 4G" network.

6. No dual-core CPU. While the 1Ghz Hummingbird should be PLENTY fast for most peoples' needs, this isn't a true Nexus One successor at all. It only marginally improves on the CPU/GPU front, Bluetooth, and wi-fi and takes a step backwards in expandability, build quality, and network flexibility. It also loses the nifty trackball from the Nexus.

Samsung & Google should've just released a special "limited edition" unlocked version of the Galaxy S running stock Gingerbread and left it at that.
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RE: i love this ad
Gekko @ 12/6/2010 3:43:44 PM # Q

agreed. i love the ad - not the device.

RE: i love this ad
hkklife @ 12/8/2010 4:57:49 PM # Q
Gekko;

Funny you like it so muhc--others are calling it the worst ad of the year:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/google-nexus-s-ad-is-it-_n_792980.html


I agree that it doesn't do much to showcase the device. Weak ad, weak device. Bring it on, HTC & Moto!
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RE: i love this ad
Gekko @ 12/8/2010 5:18:40 PM # Q

here's a less-hipster more-device-focused version of the ad -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXGfL9bhddc

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Ruby interview

BaalthazaaR @ 12/8/2010 9:05:03 AM # Q
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/07/jon-rubinstein-live-from-d-dive-into-mobile/
RE: Ruby interview
Gekko @ 12/8/2010 10:51:52 AM # Q

interesting. wow.

----------------------------------------

3:12PM Kara: Okay, so when is your phone coming out? Is the Palm name going to continue?

Jon: What do you think?

Kara: No, kill it.

Jon: Okay you heard it here first. You know honestly I have no allegiance to it. It has some good connotations, it has some bad.

3:29PM And that's it. No new devices. No details. Nothing really. We still love you Jon, but you need to release some new hardware.

RE: Ruby interview
PacManFoo @ 12/8/2010 12:23:58 PM # Q
Tablet and Smartphones in 2011. Possible name change.
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RE: Ruby interview
jca666us @ 12/8/2010 4:39:21 PM # M Q
HP needs to have something coming, otherwise they'll join the android bandwagon.
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I'm Living The Google Lifestyle

Gekko @ 12/10/2010 10:59:22 AM # Q

I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Mark Cuban, Blog Maverick | Dec. 10, 2010

Gmail, Android, Google TV... Google is taking over my life, and it's awesome.

http://blogmaverick.com/2010/12/10/am-i-living-the-google-lifestyle/

RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
gmayhak @ 12/10/2010 6:33:09 PM # Q
Gekko, if you're going to be a sheep you're following the wrong shepherd, Google is sucking in the masses like a baited mouse trap. You get what you pay for and a 'free' OS is the bait! Good luck when the trap slams shut.

Gary
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RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/11/2010 4:47:54 AM # Q

grandpa - what in the hell are you talking about? if you keep talking like this we're going to have to send you away to the old folks home.

RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/11/2010 4:53:26 AM # Q

this is how they make money -

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/10/15/android-pulling-in-1-billion-revenue-this-year/

RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
gmayhak @ 12/11/2010 7:33:22 AM # Q
As mobile use continues to grow and the market booms, Google will undoubtedly have its plans set out to capitalise on the increase take-up of its OS. Not bad for a company that releases a "free" operating system.
= trap slamming shut, punk.

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RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/11/2010 7:56:38 AM # Q

what are you talking about??? so what's wrong with them wanting to make money? they've found a really unique and innovative business model - offer free open services in exchange for search and ad revenue. Google wins, their shareholders win, and their customers win. and since my data, files, and media are not locked into some proprietary format (like iTunes) i can painlessly export and disengage at any time.

what exactly are you afraid of, grandpa? the future? well you can't stop it.


RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
gmayhak @ 12/11/2010 9:08:49 AM # Q
You got most of it right except the customer looses, they are in the add business and by the time they are through your android device will be inundated with so much trash it will make Apple's iAdds seem a pleasure. You bring back memories of raising my children ;-)

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-analyst-apples-closed-iad-system-gives-android-room-to-grab-market-shar/
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RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/11/2010 9:11:42 AM # Q

if they ruin the user experience - users will bolt. it's a free market economy in action.


RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
hkklife @ 12/11/2010 10:03:21 AM # M Q
I am becoming increasingly concerned about some of Google's moves--dropping the requirement for a microsd slot on new Gingerbread devices starting with the Nexus S and now cutting the Market return period down from 24 hours to a mere 15 minutes? Will drag & drop storage be the next thing to go? Or will they remove the activation screen bypass ala Palm?

It just worries me that Google is so blatantly putting their hardware partners and developers first and making the customer a distant 3rd, yet the platform is still becoming more fragmented by the day.

As an example, have any you guys ever tried to deal with Google's so-called "support" or gain access to a Gmail account where you forgot the password? Total futility! I know several people (myself included on Droid 1 launch day last year) who had their Android devices "set up" by a VZW or Sprint employer in-store and never knew what their new Gmail pasword was. The rep just made up something on the fly and/or didn't write it down or give alternate contact info for the customers' account. Little goofs like this become major debacles when you want to switch devices or do a hard reset!

RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/11/2010 10:23:39 AM # Q

1. Here's Why No SD Card on Samsung Nexus S

http://forum.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-s/47947-heres-why-no-sd-card.html

2. Obviously, I'd been hacked. I let Google know, and within 15 minutes I was back in control of my account (with a new password)

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-what-it-looks-like-when-your-gmail-gets-hacked-by-china-2010-12


RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
gmayhak @ 12/11/2010 6:38:35 PM # Q
Looks like there are only about half a dozen of us left here,. Anyone think HP will pull a magic rabbit out of the hat or are Palm & their various OSs going down is history as could have, should have?

Gary
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RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
hkklife @ 12/11/2010 8:15:04 PM # Q
Honestly, I think HP still has a very slim chance to pull something out, though possibly only by carving out a solid little slice of marketshare in a specific niche such as 7" & 10" home wi-fi tablets (which is precisely where I thought WebOS would fit best ever since seeing it for the first time at the CES '09 unveiling). I feel that Palm has done an enormous disservice to WebOS' multitasking capabilities, card metaphor UI and finger-friendliness by saddling it with tiny low-res screens and feeble hardware.

As far as smartphones go, who knows. WebOS 2.0 (a product of the "old Palm" regime) is very underwhelming and still lacks a number of basic features found in other OSes...and of course, still lacks many features that were available for Palm OS. Since there is still no one 'perfect' mobile OS, HP could still find an audience but I think they will have to focus on the higher-end of the market (think a dual-core, 4.3" 4G device instead of freebie, zero-margin, bottom-feeder Pixi handsets) as a true alternative to the iOS devices.

With RIM fading fast, Android horrible fragmented and getting worse by the day (and still deficient in many areas compared to iOS, and yes, even WebOS), Windows Phone 7 DOA (IMO), and many users refusing to deal with anything out of Cupertino, there's still room for another player but ONLY if the hardware is top-notch and the OS is rock-solid stable and feature-packed. The devs will come if the above criteria are met--look at how Android exploded late last year and early this year based almost solely on the Droid 1's success (and neither it nor Android 2.0 were spectacular efforts).

Printers? Please. There's more potential for a WebOS-powered digital picture frame or PMP than a printer. I still expect for HP to push pretty hard in this area but I really don't see a point in doing so. It's been a long time since I was impressed by an HP printer, honestly.

So, while I'm not saying HP/Palm WILL do it, it's still conceivable they COULD do it, but they will have to be firing on all cylinders. And if they wait too far past CES '11 to show some really impressive hardware, it'll be too late no matter what they produce.
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RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/12/2010 4:55:44 AM # Q

Where Should Mobile Developers Focus?

http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/12/where-should-mobile-developers-focus.html

RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
Gekko @ 12/12/2010 9:34:53 AM # Q

Check out these new updated Chrome Browser Extensions if you haven't already. you can ditch your PIM and Mail apps (Outlook, Thunderbird, Palm Desktop, etc.) and have everything tightly and lightly integrated right into your Chrome Browser!

Google Mail Checker Plus

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gffjhibehnempbkeheiccaincokdjbfe?hl=en

Gmail Contacts Manager

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/eenekjighmobbgcdpeggilhdlgcfponb?hl=en

Google Calendar Checker Plus

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/hkhggnncdpfibdhinjiegagmopldibha?hl=en

it's basically like having a "LIVE" Automagically synced Palm Desktop WITH EMAIL on the Cloud all in ONE LIGHTWEIGHT FAST INTERFACE.

i love it!

RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
ChiA @ 12/12/2010 1:51:10 PM # Q
Gecko said
my data, files, and media are not locked into some proprietary format (like iTunes)

most data on the iPhone isn't locked into a proprietary format, contacts can be exported as vcal, calendar in ical, photos as jpegs/png, music is DRM free, I can share pdfs, Word and Excel files using Dropbox, the only thing that springs to mind are the movie rentals and purchases.
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RE: I'm Living The Google Lifestyle
gmayhak @ 12/12/2010 6:27:50 PM # Q
Gekko> if they ruin the user experience - users will bolt. it's a free market economy in action.

Gary> not if but when, guaranteed. Without a 'walled garden' Android will turn into the world's largest ad agency so when you bolt join us on iOS ;-)
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Michael Mace: What's really wrong with BlackBerry

Gekko @ 12/13/2010 7:30:40 PM # Q

http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-really-wrong-with-blackberry-and.html

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I wonder what PICs stats are?

Tuckermaclain @ 12/14/2010 9:18:09 AM # Q
I wonder what what the viewership is now at PIC and what it was when the m505 was released. I see the same hanful of people on here usually and sometimes days go by without a comment. Lots of discussion about iphone, android, Blackberry in the last couple of years. It's so sad.
RE: I wonder what PICs stats are?
Gekko @ 12/14/2010 1:21:53 PM # Q

http://web.archive.org/web/*/palminfocenter.com

RE: I wonder what PICs stats are?
richf @ 12/16/2010 8:20:37 AM # Q
I would guess after checking the last couple days that would be 0.0!
Have a nice day!
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RE: I wonder what PICs stats are?
Tuckermaclain @ 12/16/2010 12:23:37 PM # Q
That doesn't tell me what I want to know. I'm wondering what veiwership rates were, ad revenue, and price/ad. All confidential stuff that would make a good read.
RE: I wonder what PICs stats are?
hkklife @ 12/16/2010 1:32:39 PM # Q
I am not speaking (nor would I ever) for Ryan but it's quite clear that since the great iPhone/iTunes appalooza began in 2008, all sites & platforms that do not have a centralized default app store or market have been their fortunes become increasingly grim.

I mean, really, what viable platforms remain where sideloading of apps via a desktop PC and/r 3rd party software store are the norm? Palm OS Garnet (nearly nonexistant at this point), PPC/WinMob 6.x and below (also fading fast but with a larger installed base), BlackBerry (the platform that probably sees the fewest number of user-added apps per device),and Symbian (a total no-go in the USA). I think those site-branded software storefronts (powered by Handango, PalmGear etc) really helped to compliment the ad revenue for all of these sorts of sites.

I know that for my Android fix, I get most of my news from "new" dedicates sites & blogs (Droidforums.net, droid-life, androidandme.com etc) vs. established multi-platform sites or networks (Androidcentral, Brighthand, BGR). That said, 99.9% of the average Android posters are immature, foul-mouthed, "First!" clamoring, early 20-something fanboys. I much prefer debating with the remaining PIC faithful as a we're most a bunch of articulate, knowledgeable, and (mostly) platform-agnostic old timers.
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RE: I wonder what PICs stats are?
gmayhak @ 12/17/2010 5:58:36 PM # Q
I agree Kris, but most of us old timers are also moving on so there's just not much debating left here anymore :-(
It seems like anything Palm/HP comes up with now will be late to the game trying to copy stuff that's already available in the new marketplace.
I'm still looking forward to Hawkins hitting one more home run, his new algorithms to simulate the brain are interesting and getting a lot of attention. I've started porting my M5 app to iPhone to see how it compares to the Silverlight implementation of the new Cortical Learning Algorithms...
http://www.numenta.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1369&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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Palm downfall -- lessons for future generations

VampireLestat @ 12/19/2010 12:16:02 AM # Q
If you have a company;
Don't
1- Take developers, creators for granted. Let them go.
2- Be overconfident.
3- Take customers for idiots.
4- Take customers for granted, thinking they are eternal fans.
5- Split, spinoff (e.g., PalmSource, Access Inc)
6- Outsource.
7- Ignore quality control (dim screens, dust under screen, poor speakers,etc)
8- Diversify then only to change your mind and consolidate everything into 2 or 3 products. Diversity is ALWAYS more robust for long term plans. ie., handheld (cheap and expensive), phone, hybrids, tablets, etc.
9- Become slave to other companies (i.e., slave to phone carriers)
10- Change plans overnight. (it sends the message of fear/instability, unreliability). Customers won't pay higher price points for fear of no long term support/relevance.
11- Don't panic and start trying to copy everyone else. Focus on core needs, simplicity (motto of early Palm), stay the course with intelligent, and consistent upgrades, new products, and support.

I used to buy a new Palm almost every year during the Palm fever years, it all fell apart when Palm split, and then went solely toward phones (which are great and extremely popular, but point is there is a also a market of standalone devices -- Apple understands this with its ipod Touch). People talk, and happy device owners, regardless of the device class, will talk good about a company and end up indirectly promoting various other device classes... branding and synergy.

RE: Palm downfall -- lessons for future generations
VampireLestat @ 12/19/2010 12:18:31 AM # Q
Another thing is over zealous control of software, which is Apple's Achilles heal (weakness).

Look how Google understood that and took right over the market with Android.
Android is the market Palm could of had.. they had all the elements in place.

RE: Palm downfall -- lessons for future generations
VampireLestat @ 12/19/2010 1:42:42 AM # Q
I am going to buy the new Pre 2 w/ HP Web OS2 GSM unlocked once available in Canada.

For my part, this is Palm's LAST chance. And Im only doing it because HP has always been a great company to buy from.

RE: Palm downfall -- lessons for future generations
jca666us @ 12/19/2010 11:45:03 AM # M Q
Another thing is over zealous control of software, which is Apple's Achilles heal (weakness).

As attested by iPhone and iPad sales, apple vetting software for sale through the app store is a good thing.

Lest you end with all of the poorly written garbageware that ended up on palm os devices (and is making inroads to android).

Look how Google understood that and took right over the market with Android.

Android is growing, but apps on android aren't selling nearly as well as they are for iOS - blame android fragmentation.

Android is the market Palm could of had.. they had all the elements in place.

Palm could have had a decent share of the market, but they squandered their lead for several years.

Palm's been circling the drain for years now; after hp flushes the last vestiges of palm, RIM will follow soon enough...

RE: Palm downfall -- lessons for future generations
VampireLestat @ 12/19/2010 2:05:21 PM # Q
Hi jca

The app store concept is good as it simplifies mass purchases.
However, end users having control to bypass that store is also important.
I think the "dev mode" in WebOS2 devices allows just for that. Although, I will have to test that statement once I get my first WebOS2 Pre2.

Come on HPalm make it available for sale already! I hate waiting.

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