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More details about the Palm m505 have come to the surface thanks to ZDnet. This new Palm is expected to run a Dragonball VZ chip at 33 MHz and sport 8 MB of RAM. Also new will be the "postage-stamp-sized" SD (Secure Digital) expansion slot.

There will be two versions of this device, monochrome and 16-bit color. The monochrome version won't weigh more than 3.25 ounces, about an ounce less than the current Palm V series. The color version will weigh between 3.9 and 4.3 ounces and use flexible lithium-polymer batteries. It is 1 mm thicker than the current Palm V.

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French Palm Prices

Ed @ 1/27/2001 9:12:03 AM #
I'm trying to figure out how much difference there is between what Palms cost in France compared to what they cost in the US. For example, if the V costs 15% more in France than it does here, I'd be willing to say that the m505 will be 15% more too.

Trouble is, the French Palm site ( doesn't list prices. Can anyone please tell me what any new Palm costs in France?


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RE: French Palm Prices
EGarrido @ 1/27/2001 10:32:42 AM #
I found a Palm Vx and a cheap case bundeled together @ for 3490 FF (US$618.39).

Therefore, the Vc is a little more than 2.5% more expensive than the Vx (as it is above), however one must take into account that the Vx comes with a case that is already added into that given price.

I'll follow up if I get anything else.


RE: French Palm Prices
Ed @ 1/27/2001 11:48:34 AM #
Oops, you mean it is a little more than 25% more expensive, not 2.5%.

Using that as a thumb-rule, I'd say that the color version will debut in the U.S. at about $500 and the monochrome at about $400. This is pretty much what I expected and good news for me. I think I'm going to spring for the color version but not at over $600.

To give this some perspective, the current Vx is $400. The Visor Prism costs $450.

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RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/27/2001 5:38:28 PM #
i'm not so sure what the "oops" means, seeing as how the difference between $618 and $636 (and some change) is roughly $18, or ~2.8%. so, based on the french relationship, that makes the american palmVc about $409. which i'm sure is significantly less than what it will be, but i wouldn't be too surprised if the m505 replaced the IIIc for the $450 range palm model.
just my 2 francs

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/7/2001 10:56:19 AM #
Actually you can public price of the PalmVx in France is 3790 FF, but you can find it for as low as 3290 FF. The Palm IIIc can be found for less than 3000 FF.
Vx is waaay overpriced.

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2001 5:12:10 AM #
Yeah... Prism costs about 4300ff which is about %620... It's as expensive as Casio or iPaq!!! Damn, do they think French are as rich as Swiss???

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/19/2001 11:07:58 PM #
US price is 469...I just pre-bought mine today and Franklin Covey. They are expected to be recieving them in May

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2001 9:23:58 PM #
Go to E-bay do a search for M505. Read the ad. Note the Discount certificate for amazon. you don't have to bid on it. take the coupon number to amazon get a 50.00 discount and pre-buy the Palm m505 or M500.

I just did this morning and am waiting for estimated ship next week.

Good Luck.....

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/30/2001 3:51:54 PM #
went to ebay and looked for coupon, can you help with this

Palm Vc/m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/27/2001 7:07:12 PM #
Impressive stats. A colour screen would be a nice addition to the Palm Vx platform, but a bigger screen (say 200 x 240) would be much better. I suppose I will have to wait until OS5.0 becomes available.

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2001 12:23:58 PM #
Things I know

The enhancements of these units are many. The alarm system will now have a flashing
power button and a vibrator for a silent alarm. The will be a much smaller expansion
pack on the back of the unit in which many things will fit, ranging for a digital camera
to a 256k back memory card to a number of Sega gaming cards. These cards will be
about the size of the ones used on the Handspring. The left had rail will be smaller
than that of the V and Vx. Palm has also built a feature to dial phone numbers out of
the address book and beam the command to you cellular phone. After a "hard reset"
you will have the option to restart the palm in a number of languages. The Battery
power claims to be longer and the weight lighter. On the m505 the screen will be
65k color just like its competitor the Prism, and on the m505 it will be a regular
plasma screen. The price on the m505 is $449us and $399us on the m500,

Also for any one interested in exactly two weeks palm will release the m105. This unit
is just like the palm m100 yet comes with a bundled cradle and 8mg of memory, that
is basically the only change. The price on this unit is $199us

Feel free to ask or inquire upon this statement. I will reply.

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 6:37:14 PM #
Are you sure about the prices? If so, then the Prism is in big trouble.

How reliable is your source for the pricing. Thanks.

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 7:52:55 PM #
What does a plasma screen look like?

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 9:34:53 PM #
Very confident in the pricing. And I meant to say that the m500 will have a plasma screen similar to the Vx and that the m505 will have one comprable to the Visor Prism.

Trust me on the pricing, I can't reveal the source of my knowledge, sorry

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 10:17:57 PM #
When will the color palm Vx's come out? Within a couple of months? I was about to purchase a Vx today, however, I will wait a few weeks for a Vx color.

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 8:06:22 PM #
Um..... there will be no color Vx. The m505 is replacing it. Why would you want a color Vx when you can have a m505 for around the same price that a unit like that would cost? Anyway, anything else?

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 11:34:28 PM #
will they have enough units to be sold to the consumers? I hope they will not have the manufacturing problems like the IPAQ.

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/23/2001 12:49:29 AM #
I am also curious if they will be making enough units to satisfy the initial demand... any word on WHEN they'll be available in the USA??

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/23/2001 2:16:08 AM #
My question is, what type of connector will it have at the bottom and will it be able to use current Vx accessories, like my PPK? I've heard that it will use USB, will the change from serial mean that everything will have to be new? Also, Palm has said that they are going to standarize this connector. Any chance that it will be the same one as on the III and VII series since even the M100 series works with those connectors? Thanks!

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/23/2001 11:37:19 AM #
It is true the m500 series will be USB cradles, the palm hotsync manager version that
will be able to run this cradle is 4.0.1. Also, I am unsure what you mean by m100s fitting
into a III and VII cradle, this does not work without tape; so in regard to the question on
standerdizing the cradles I honestly doubt that any unit will work in the m500 series cradles
except for of course the m500 and m505.

As far as the release date, I am unsure. I don't even think that Palm corprate is sure yet.
They would like it to be around the end of March but I don't know if they are going to make
it. I WILL let you guys know when I know. Regarding the quanity, lets hope that they have
it under control. Corprate is not planing any "limited addition palm frenzy" I am sure they
are doing there best to cover their bases. They have said that they plan a "worldwide
release date" as in comercials, web banners and emials sent out all in the same hour of one
day...... I have no idea how well this is going to work, mainly because of people like me.

Checking Messages Daily,
Your Informer**

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/23/2001 11:55:48 AM #
I honestly don't know about clipping Vx accs. to the bottom of the m500 series, thats a
question. I will find out tonight for you. I know that all accs. will now be attached through
the top of the unit as you know; so I am unsure if much anything will attach there. Anyway
give me 12 hours to figure that out for you.

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2001 4:02:05 PM #
I heard that Palm is coming out with a Push Technology compete with RIM's you have any idea when that is coming?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2001 9:29:15 PM #
I have a hard time believing that palm needs to compete with the "blackberry" units. They are over priced and have limited functionality. The palm units have a different niche in business. If you want e-mail on the palm, you already have an unlimited amount of ways to arive at that goal, for no monthly charge at that. To answer the question, no, I know that Palm Inc. has no intention to compete with these units.

RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2001 9:36:55 AM #
the m105 also comes with mobile internet kit in the box.
i've used one.
its memory is also non flash upgradable

RE: Informer**
Ed @ 3/26/2001 11:28:00 PM #
I was just reviewing all the posts made by the Informer** in the days preceding the release of the M500 series and whomever he or she is, they were dead on with everything they said.

So thanks a ton for all the info you gave us. I really appreciate it and I'm sure everyone else does, too.

If there is ever want to contact me directly with pictures or other stuff you might learn, my e-mail address is

Thanks again.

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RE: Palm Vc/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/4/2001 2:30:02 AM #
Will the palm 505 have the connection for mobile phone attachment, such as handspring have? So we can phone directly from the palm 505?

Additional function in the Graffiti area ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/27/2001 7:22:41 PM #
Does anybody know what thie litte 2/3 circle in the upper left corner of the graffiti field of the m505 will bw used to ?

RE: Additional function in the Graffiti area ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/27/2001 7:53:19 PM #
My guess is that it will activate the clock application like it does on the m100. The good thing about this is that no matter what application you are in you can check the time without leaving that app.

RE: Additional function in the Graffiti area ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/14/2001 4:48:52 PM #
I think it'll be a contrast panel. Just like the Visor's (at least the one i've played with)

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/23/2001 12:04:14 PM #
That IS the contrast field, just the same as the reset of the m-series, just like the m100.
You guys should know that.

~Your Informer**

RE: Additional function in the Graffiti area ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2001 11:34:45 AM #
I thought that the color palms didn't need a contrast control. I think it porbably does launch the clock that was mentioned earlier.


I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2001 11:58:37 AM #
Any palm unit with a plasma screen will need a contrast control, such as the m500.
The m505 will also need a funtion to change the brightness of the screen. It
may have a clock function on it, but the palm OS always has a clock on the
applications screen. I have not had any "hands on" with these units YET but
when I have I will let you know, I think I should know alot more in about 24hrs.
I will let you Matt if I find out.

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/11/2001 7:43:40 PM #
just like on the m100/m105 it is a clock

RE: Additional function in the Graffiti area ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 9:55:18 AM #


Watch out Palm!

Lito Simpao @ 1/28/2001 6:18:41 AM #
If they're not careful with their pricing strategy, Palm may just about suceed in pushing loyal Palm users like me into the clutches of PocketPC. US$600+!!!! I have a feeling my next handheld will be a Compaq!
RE: Watch out Palm!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2001 2:10:11 PM #
Go buy your compaq at best buy! And I will guarantee you will return it in less than a week! Quit your whining and spectulating! Palm rocks the house with it's simplicity and functionality!

RE: Watch out Palm!
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/7/2001 2:49:17 PM #
What, $600 for something I can use a $3 calculator to do? Come on, admit it, you KNOW PocketPC rocks!

RE: Watch out Palm!
Ed @ 2/7/2001 3:07:41 PM #
I'm still confused about why you PocketPC trolls feel the need to hang out here. Why don't you go over to where you can find other like-minded people?

This doesn't refer to all PPC users, most of whom are fine people. I'm referring to pinheads like this guy, who feel so insecure that they need to convince other people to believe the same things that they do. If the situation was a cut-and-dried as they think it is (PPC rules, Palm drools!) then more people would agree with them without their sophomoric comments.

Oh well, I guess every society needs a village idiot.

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RE: Watch out Palm!
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 2:58:20 PM #
OK well it goes like this - the Palm is the neatest piece of alternative computing to come out since the PC, in fact it's more like CPM in the late 70's... The PocketPC is like the IBM-PC in 1980 - it's got a big name and corporations are comfortable buying them - as are weenies with no guts to learn.

I develop on both platforms - and everything being said in here is true: that the PPC SUCKS memory and that the Palms handle memory extraordinarily efficiently.


Both platforms will attract their own style of user - if we all stick to open architectures both may actually survive a long time - but traditionally only one wins... which is why we develop on both platforms (!)

It's way too early to foresee any side giving in to the other - CE is gaining ground from business users, Palm's maintain a leadership role in the general community - killer apps, there aren't any... so: live and let live...
...............a PPC owner isn't your enemy, he's someone to be sympathized with and nurtured from the dark side until Microsoft see the error of their ways and try, at least attempt, to reduce the bloatware they can't help but to produce.

My 2Francs worth!


RE: Watch out Palm!
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2001 5:04:48 PM #
Too bad the Compaq only has a 12-bit color screen. The price of the m505 IN FRANCE will be $635, but in the US it will certainly be less. Palm may have made mistakes, but they aren't completely stupid.

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2001 12:11:01 PM #
The price of the m505 will be $449us
The price of the m500 will be $399us
The price of the m105 will be $199us

RE: Watch out Palm!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 2:39:05 PM #
yes, you are an idiot.
i've seen them for $449 at numerous retailers.
of course you shouldn't spend $600

It's time to strike back!

Winson @ 1/28/2001 7:32:25 AM #
Since the launched of the Vx & IIIc, Palm lost its market share significantly (as you all know, not to the PocketPC/WinCE devices, but to its licensee competitors. Among the past few months, I've seen many people bought the Visors (due to its expandability), the Sony Clie (who is Sony-philia) and even IBM Workpad (especially for corporate users). I don't think Palm can keep its supporters just by adding a few more RAM or launch a model for beginners. All we want is innovation and improvement.

RE: It's time to strike back!
EGarrido @ 1/28/2001 9:56:40 AM #
Yes, you're correct Palm has lost market share to Handspring, Sony and IBM, but this might not be an incredibly bad thing to happen.

Palm still gets money for the devices that are sold under another company with PalmOS. Yes, it must be significantly less than actually selling the device themselves, but think of it this way: Palm did not spend money on R&D for that device, nor did they have to spend money to actually make it, nor did they have to spend money on marketing it, etc.

And besides, I've never seen Palm actively market their products against those of their licensee competitors.


RE: It's time to strike back!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2001 1:13:52 PM #
The question that comes to mind is, "Why release a device at the same level as a Prism?" If the sell point is simply, "Buy a prettier Prism", I don't think it will do well. Another question is this: "Will there be SD add-ons ready at the launch?" Additional memory would separate this device from any device on the market. Bill Gates stated back in 1981, "640K ought to be enough for anybody." about RAM on the desktop PC. Bill Gates has learned from his mistake. His Pocket PCs has enough RAM. It simply lacks a large number of applications to use on it. Palm has the applications, but not the RAM capacity to store enough of them on its devices. If Palm keeps being scarce with the RAM, the winner of the enterprise monies may be Pocket PC. The race is see what will changes first. Will Microsoft get applications for its device first?, or will Palm gets their "little" RAM complex dissolved first? Palm has the edge today, they need to give us the memory to take advantage of it.
Palm is the tool to get it done (with the necessary storage space to allow these scenarios to come to life).

Taken from story at

RE: It's time to strike back!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2001 3:10:01 PM #
Ok, Mr. PocketPC is better than Palm... Take your PocketPC, which you obviously have, since you know so much, and see how many apps you can get on 8megs. Now, take your 8meg palm, which you also undoubtedly have, and see how many apps you can get in ITS 8megs. I don't care which apps, as long as you don't intentionally load big apps on the palm, and little ones on the PPC. Just take a fair sampling for both platforms and install away. Then, come back and let us know which one held more apps in 8 megs of space.
The point is, the PPC NEEDS more RAM, because it's windows stuff, which is all bloated and buggy. :P an 8 or 16 meg PPC is like a 2 meg palm. It can be used efficiently, but you're dying for more RAM to install apps that you DON'T use all the time (games, tools, other fun stuff). You're comparing apples to oranges, and anyone who says Palm's need more RAM to compete with 16 and 32meg PPC devices just doesn't understand the real differences.

Yes, I have a Palm (V, only 2megs) and an HP Jornada (32 megs and a CF slot), so don't tell me I don't have any experience to back it up.

RE: It's time to strike back!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2001 3:57:26 PM #
>>Yes, you're correct Palm has lost market share to Handspring, Sony and IBM, but this might not be an incredibly bad thing to happen.<<

Another point is having several competing vendors increases consumer confidence in the future of the platform and the number of software vendors. Competition tends to keep the manufacturers on their toes.

RE: It's time to strike back!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2001 5:32:43 PM #

The fact is that Palm are way behind with their included apps. Palm has no Text editor, PPC has Word. palm has no SpreadSheet, PPC has Excel, Palm has no Ebook reader, PPC has MSReader, Palm has no Modem email app, PPC has Inbox. Palm has no Finance software (Expence doesn't count coz it crap and no one uses it), PPC has MSMoney.

So go and spend over 100$ on MegaDoc,, QuickSheet, MultiMailPro, PocketQuicken, stick them on a 2meg Palm, THEN compare free space between it and a PPC which will still have an empty RAM. And don't start talking about the amount of apps available for the Palm, coz it's not that different to the PPC when you look at worthwhile apps. PalmGear is full of ebooks, templates for DB apps, cheap PDAToolbox generated stuff that anyone could knock up in an hour. I will admit that there is still more descent software available for the Palm, just not as much as everyone thinks there is. I am both a Palm and a PPC user, I just think that the Palms stability, simplicity and software selection is well over estimated.
The End.

Ste S

RE: It's time to strike back!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/10/2001 6:18:03 PM #
"The fact is that Palm are way behind with their included apps. Palm has no Text editor, PPC has Word. palm has no SpreadSheet, PPC has Excel, Palm has no Ebook reader, PPC has MSReader, "

Yeah, but PPC's PIM functions suck, and that is the main use for a device such as this. No fancy feature can compensate for the PPC's memory hogging, poor interface, poor reliability, and limited synchronization options.

"Palm has no Modem email app, PPC has Inbox."

Palm does have email app, and PPC's Inbox only works with MS Outlook (not Outlook Express), which many people don't need or like.

"So go and spend over 100$ on MegaDoc,, QuickSheet, MultiMailPro, PocketQuicken, stick them on a 2meg Palm, THEN compare free space between it and a PPC which will still have an empty RAM."

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!! I've never worried about memory with a Palm, but my PPC has NEVER had memory to spare! It's a slow, buggy, resource hog that doesn't even have enough memory to handle half the apps included in the box. Worse yet, while you can add storage via an expensive memory card, you can never increase the amount of operating RAM, which as I already stated, is too little for the PPC.

"And don't start talking about the amount of apps available for the Palm, coz it's not that different to the PPC when you look at worthwhile apps."

Most of PPC's apps are only nice on paper, but are worthless in real world use. Just try to use a spreadsheet in that tiny window with that slow OS! Just try to use Pcoetk Streets, and realize that it is so crippled due to licensing restrictions that it is virtually useless. Just try to put an hours worth of MP3s in a memory card and still have room for data and apps. Just try to make any practical use of PPC using that horrible interface that lacks close buttons on apps and even lacks a task switcher!

RE: It's time to strike back!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 4:01:21 PM #
I hate to bump into this one. but as an owner of both
professional Handheld NEC 780 and A Palm, I just one to stress one single point, try sincronizin with another application other than OUTLOOK, for the Addressbook, (which I do not use or like) and then syncronize with activesync and see what happens?!!!

All your applications stop syncrozicing forcing you to only use MS applications for MS products.

With Palm operating system you can syncronize with whatever you want to, including WordPerfect!!!

That and portability have my Handheld on the box ready to be sold.

I first bought the Sony Clie then the m505. This decision was made after playing with all the pocket pc's in stores, yes they are impresive at first sight, but when they come to functionability it just does not compensate.

As it was said before, all devices have its people. Palm just happens to be for me, small to fit in my purse, simple and fast!!!


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Guess Who @ 1/29/2001 8:47:53 AM #
I've seen one in person. It's the best palm yet. Yes, SD slot, brushed metal exterior and a better color screen than Ipag. Did I mention the graf. area has backlighting? Oh yeah, did I also mention that Palm has released the hounds to find the person who released the Vc marketing pics.? Whoever released the pics is f-ed.
RE: [ No Subject ]
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2001 1:26:48 PM #
Ummm.....I don't believe you!


RE: [ No Subject ]
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/24/2001 3:52:09 AM #
You are telling me that the new color palm will have a better screen than the 320x240 ipaq?

RE: [ No Subject ]
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2001 9:07:16 PM #
He never said anything about an increased res screen. I think he means it isn't all BLACK like the IIIc. Its about time! And a backlit screen, YEAH!

OMG, I can't F'ing WAIT!!!!!

RE: [ No Subject ]
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/10/2001 6:12:05 PM #
While a new screen with more colors is nice, I think it's ridiculous to claim it's better than an iPaq's screen, which has twice the resolution.

French Palm Prices

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2001 9:08:31 AM #
Percentages don't matter. When you consider the French Franc to be roughly 7.363 francs to the American dollar, the Vx in france is roughly $513.34US. Now, put that in to a basic equation:

634 513
--- = ---
X 399

where $399 is the price for the current Vx, and X is the projected price of the new one, then the new m505 should roughly cost $493US or more likely than not, $500 for the color. Hope this makes sense and I'm not just an arrogant retard. Good day all

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 8:33:45 AM #
Any arguments about how anything is priced in comparison to another market can often be ignored because exchange rates never come into it.
Take any US dollar price of any desirable electrical/computer gadget and it will be the dollar amount in pounds in the UK, which would not equate to the dollar-pound exchange rate.
Like DVD region codes the manufacturers have pricing regions and charge whatever the market in a given region can stand.

If they don't squeal when you give them the price you ain't charged enough!

RE: French Palm Prices
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 9:05:50 PM #
cool beans

Glad I got my Prism

who me? @ 1/30/2001 6:22:59 PM #
Sure am glad I got my $250.00 Prism @ CompUSA. (After $200 rebate). With the compact Flash adapter I have lots of memory.
RE: Glad I got my Prism
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/9/2001 4:52:00 PM #
Where in the heck did you get a $200 rebate?!?!

RE: Glad I got my Prism
Ed @ 2/10/2001 12:08:30 AM #
You must be a new reader. The $200 rebate was big news a few weeks ago. It's too late now. Read more about what you missed here:

Palm Infocenter
RE: Glad I got my Prism
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/24/2001 12:12:19 AM #
Any other offers like that available now? AJ

RE: Glad I got my Prism
Nate @ 2/24/2001 2:16:25 AM #
I can't believe I missed that one. I was so glad that because of my visits to this board I got myself for a PPK for $20, and a Palm Glove case for free, until I realized I completely missed the big score! F*ck!

Syncplicity. Redefining Simple.

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I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2001 11:25:43 PM #
ok ok I may have whined a bit but what in hell does "spectulate" mean? no wonder you took it back you need the money...........for spelling lessons

Double the Flash RAM

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/31/2001 2:59:28 PM #
Just my 2c.....

Did anyone stop to notice that Palm are up'ing their Flash RAM? Wouldn't this be a good place to store the "text" editor, Spreadsheet, email, internet stuff etc. Then we wouldnt have to pay for extra and use up our RAM, the fuctionalty would be straight out of the box.


RE: Double the Flash RAM
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/8/2001 2:06:11 PM #
If Palm is uping the flash, I suspect it is because they are anticipating the Palm OS 4 or 5 may require more memory. I doubt they would increase the flash memory just so pepole using third party programs would have more space.

RE: Double the Flash RAM
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/13/2001 8:50:14 AM #
It's probably true that they're upping the Flash (if
they are) because they expect OS 4.x/5.x to be much
bigger but that's a shame. I have a 2MB Palm V. If I
was given a choice of another an extra 6MB of Flash
or 6MB or RAM, I'd go for the Flash! I've never found
an app that doesn't run out of Flash and a lot of my
data is read-only (enovels, maps, dictionaries). Flash
is ideal for this stuff and it survives a hard reset.
I think it's a big shame that Palm isn't much more
aggressive with it's Flash sizes.

RE: Double the Flash RAM
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2001 4:18:09 PM #
Bundled with the Palm m505 are FREE programs. One of them is DataViz' Word and Excel editor. As for the RAM, 16MB modules are available for less than Handspring can offer them for.


Go to for details

Palm wish-list

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/7/2001 2:56:13 PM #
When I read this page the idea I got was that you guys are wishing for something for something perfect. Good, it already exists. You will find it on this page - <>. Enjoy. Thank me later.

RE: Palm wish-list
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/7/2001 3:18:58 PM #
Here it is again - <>.

RE: Palm wish-list
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 10:41:49 AM #
you're right that we are "wishing for something for something perfect"...but microsoft isn't exactly perfect...just look at its crash record.

RE: Palm wish-list
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 10:06:55 AM #
EXACTLY! Microsoft doesn't need another Crash-Test dummy. I'll stick with the reliability of the Palm OS Thank you. Good luck in your search for the perfect palm device. Even better luck to you that you are looking for it in a MS based product (you'll need it).

RE: Palm wish-list
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/24/2001 1:03:18 AM #
sorry, pocketpc 32mb is ony equivalent to 4mb on them palm...

RE: Palm wish-list
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/10/2001 6:01:18 PM #
PocketPC is a piece of junk! Take it from someone who owned both a Palm IIIc and an HP Jornada 545 for several months.

Sure, the Palm could use a nicer, higher-resolution screen and perhaps some more versatility. But at least it's dependable, easy to use, and it excels at its primary function as a PIM (personal information manager.)

The PocketPC sucks dogs. Its PIM is a nightmare to use(for example, contacts only sorted by last name, not company!) It is buggy, slow, a memory hog, and only syncs with Microsoft Outlook (not even w/Outlook Express.) If anyone want a detailed list of everything I hate about PocketPC, just email ( me and I'll send you a list..

RE: Palm wish-list
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2001 11:24:26 PM #
Sure it's there. PocketPC is the best device. I just feel sorry that it has the floppest things inside. The complexed, bloatted, unstable Windows CE. It makes the device unusefull. That's why smart company like HP will throw what is inside, and going to put Palm OS for replacement.

Compiled Data Sheet for m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/7/2001 7:47:20 PM #
I've made a web page including all of the m505 specs found though articles on the internet and a few of my guesses. Check it out.">

RE: Compiled Data Sheet for m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/8/2001 3:33:18 AM #
RE: Compiled Data Sheet for m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/8/2001 10:03:13 PM #
Updated it some more, I just added a page with some possible Secure Digital device pictures and updated specs. Check it out at <>

RE: Compiled Data Sheet for m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2001 11:19:30 PM #
Your prices are too high! See the previous postings from "Informer**". I think they were $449 (M505) and $399 (M500).

RE: Compiled Data Sheet for m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2001 2:08:36 AM #
I have heard from good sources that the M505 will retail for $499. $449 is more likely to be the price for the M500.

RE: Compiled Data Sheet for m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2001 4:26:47 PM #
A better spec sheet exists at:

Palm m505 color pricing

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/19/2001 1:10:50 AM #
The Palm m505 will cost $449 (strangely comparable to the Visor Prism). End of debate.

RE: Palm m505 color pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/19/2001 5:53:01 PM #
I guess you mean the color version? I have read that the screen will still be 160 x 160. How lame. Can this possibly be true? Anyone know what the Clie's is?

RE: Palm m505 color pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/19/2001 10:57:03 PM #
Same resolution as the Prism. The m505 will be the flagship of Palm (in contrast to the m500 and m105). Look forward to the m105 (the release date is approaching)...

RE: Palm m505 color pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 1:55:11 PM #
Like many I sure I am itching to get my hands on the new Palm m505. It sounds great. Is there any idea of when a release date is?

RE: Palm m505 color pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2001 7:25:36 PM #
It should be released between March 22-28 at CeBit in Germany. But some rumors also add that they may not be available to buy until late April.

RE: Palm m505 color pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 8:59:15 PM #
USA = Summer 2000
Perhaps I can get an exact date for you soon.
Anyone wanting the exact date may post their e-mail address / ICQ UIN. If you are cautious about doing so on forums, I will not be able to contact you w/o that info as I am hesitant about posting it to large groups.

RE: Palm m505 color pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/22/2001 9:04:42 PM #
Summer 2001 is the correct date. Sorry for confusion.

Where to get Secure Digital cards!!!!????

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/23/2001 11:58:38 AM #
The problem for me is... where the hell do you buy SD memory cards?!??!? I use a 128M CF card to store about 80M of medical reference material on my TRGpro. I'd like to just transfer to an SD card on the new m505 or whatever it's called... but, I can't find any place on the web that sells SD cards!!! Anyone know where to find these things?!?!?

RE: Where to get Secure Digital cards
Ed @ 2/23/2001 12:21:03 PM #
Panasonic is already selling the cards and a few accessories:

Palm Infocenter

Palm M505 pricing

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2001 5:33:02 PM #
you shouldn't forget the TAX, which is in europe normally included in the listprice a little bit different to US where you have to pay local tax.
The german local TAX is 16% .

Palm M505 & NWireless

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2001 8:26:44 AM #
Any idea if the M505 will come with built in wireless capabilties? I currently have a Vx with a Novatel Wireless Minstral V wireless modem. It would be a shame if that would have to be tossed , then go through the expense as well as the wait for Novatel to come out with a M505 version.

Ed Hudley

Palm Vc\m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2001 10:40:58 AM #
Am I missing the point here?
I have a Palm IIIc which works perfectly well. As far as I can see this new gadget doesn't do anything extra.
Are we talking "Emperor's New Clothes" here?


RE: Palm Vc\m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2001 11:11:36 AM #
m505 diff from IIIc

+ 16 bit (65K ) vs 8bit (256) color
+ new battery
+ metal case
+ SD slot
+ 4MB flash vs 2MB flash
+ OS 4 vs OS 3.5

Some rumored additions are a vibrating alarm and reflective TFT (instead of the transmissive TFT).

Palm M505 Sound Question for the INFORMER

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2001 2:06:20 AM #
I dont know why this question has not been brought up uyet, but it is really importatnt to me,

Will the NEW Palm M505 have a better loudspeaker like the Pocket PCs? If it is supposed to be able to have movie playback, multimedia and MP3 capabilities then surely a new imporved loud speaker is called for.

The current palms have a terribly hopeless speaker and even the alarm is not loud enough!


I own one because I work at palm and developed it

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2001 9:31:26 PM #
After i had one I quit and still got paid. It is really cool. Email me at for more info.

RE: I own one because I work at palm and developed it
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/8/2001 4:35:25 PM #

Reflective TFT screen - can it be viewed outside.

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2001 2:22:49 PM #
I'm clueless about screen technology. The specs are reportedly for a reflective TFT color screen instead of the IIIc's transmissive TFT screen. Does this mean it can be viewed in bright direct sunlight?

This is the one thing keeping me from a color model since I work outside most of the time.

RE: Reflective TFT screen - can it be viewed outside.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2001 5:44:37 PM #
Yes, a reflective screen looks great in direct sunlight.
The bad news is it looks bad inside under normal light conditions unless a sidelight is on.
Readability of my iPAQ w/o sidelight is worst than a Palm V on the inside.
My concern is the M505 will not have a sidelight or will come with a sidelight but with
very poor battery life. If the M505 does come with a sidelight, the purpose of the light will probably
be for near darkness and not for regular inside conditions. If this is so, people will be very
disappointed because a reflective screen w/o sidelight is not bright and the colors are drab.
In other words, it will not have near the brightness or vibrant colors that the IIIc and Prism have
inside. This is all assuming the M505 screen will be like the iPAQ screen.


I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2001 5:19:48 AM #
Informer Ive seen conflicting reports on the amount of ramon the 500/505 models. How much ram do they have?

M505 (almost) at

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2001 10:42:00 PM #
As has been previously documented, redirects you to "". You can register so that they will notify you when the M505 becomes available. I just received the following (automatic) response:

Neil, thank you for your message from The G4 Store!

We have received your request to be notified when the new series of Palm handhelds are introduced. If you have any questions in the interim, please don't hesitate to ask. And to review current handheld models now available, be sure to visit:

Also, be sure to visit our new Palm PDA Forum now live at The G4 Store Forums at:

Thanks again, and look forward to seeing you soon at The G4 Store!

Scott Carr
The G4 Store

RE: M505 (almost) at
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/8/2001 10:28:34 PM #
No I don't think it's automatic... I got a different message on confirmation. Look forward to hearing what they have to say!

New Louder quality SPEAKER ??

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2001 9:41:25 PM #
For the Informer :

Wil the new Palm m505 have a new louder quality loudspeaker like the Pocket PC's?

Its about time they did so that we can hear the sound from movies or even the alarm!

If it doesn't im going straight to Pocket PC... stuff this Palm junk..

RE: New Louder quality SPEAKER ??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2001 12:58:37 PM #
Hey, don't dump Palm just because you want a loud speaker. The Handera 330 has a super speaker, just like the TRGPro. I can hear that one in the next room!

M505 Lithium Polymer Battery

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2001 9:48:03 PM #
Any info available on the new battery that the M505 is provided with (slim lithium polymer)? Specs? Manufacturer? User replacable?

m505 beaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/11/2001 5:05:57 AM #
Does anyone know if you will be able to beam more then the palm vx

RE: m505 beaming
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2001 2:34:57 PM #
If I understand your question, all Palm OS devices can beam to other ones. I have a Vx and have sent files to a IIIc, IIIxe, and Handspring. Don't worry.

HandEra PDA

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2001 6:57:35 AM #
What could be this HandEra PDA?

RE: HandEra PDA
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2001 11:30:13 AM #
HandEra is just the new name for TRG.

Just a thought....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/29/2001 2:38:46 AM #
I have heared my friend said that the employee in The Good Guys can buy a product and return it. Then buy it again for the open box price. Hmm......I remember they sell Palm in The Good Guys, too. Does anyone know a employee in The Good Guys?

RE: Just a thought....
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 2:48:27 AM #
What a dumb question.

Palm 505 rom image download

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/10/2001 3:18:23 AM #
Where can download Palm M505 rom image? Thanks

RE: Palm 505 rom image download
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/26/2001 7:06:35 PM #
RE: Palm 505 rom image download
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/23/2001 8:25:46 AM #
Maybe it used to be at but not anymore...I have access to the pavillon area but you still NEED to send bloody papers to palm NDA etc if you are from other place than the US, NOT FAIR AT ALL... I like the M505 but I hate this attitude that consist of pushing people to register etc...The palm is quite expensive, and I don't understand WHY now I should by a serial cable from to get the ROM image of something I hown anyway or that I have to have a special registration ( I'm already register to them many times for the product and the pavillon area) it is SO STUPID FROM THEM.

RE: Palm 505 rom image download
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/3/2001 6:41:35 AM #
RE: Palm 100 rom image download
I.M. Anonymous @ 12/4/2001 4:58:06 PM #
Where can download Palm M100 rom image? Thanks

RE: Palm 505 rom image download
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/12/2002 3:39:54 PM #
I tried signing up for the Palm Developers, but they never responded. The SE-ED place doesn't work...

you might try asking someone who owns a palm 505 if the can send it to you.


RE: Palm 505 rom image download
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2002 7:35:25 PM #
This is especially frustrating because Palm's ROM Transfer utilities simply do not work. I have a legitimate right to emulate my Palm m100's ROM but I can't get a copy of it.

Re: IIIc vs 505

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/13/2001 2:39:40 PM #
my palm IIIc's memory is almost busting out the seams... which is why the palm 505 has really caught my eye (memory sticks). but i've refrained from pre-ordering the 505 right off the bat, because if i am to buy a new pda...

i want extensive memory for all my programs, compactabilaty, color, and to know that within a year my pda will not be obsolete.

(sad story)a long long long time ago, in a electronic store far far away i bought the palm pilot pro. i was told that this would meet all my needs and i would be able to add memory if need to be. well, within 3 weeks the model was discontinued and all its accessories were gone. so what did i do, buy a pen and paper calender... until i saw the IIIc (WOW)! well i forked out the $449 bucks and hoped that it would help me out. but i've ran into memory problems, and carrying it around worrying it being damaged.

now the 505... hopefully it is compact enough the carry, has enough memory, and will be around for along time.

anyone know when they will be at frys electronics or staples?



I.M. Anonymous @ 5/4/2001 5:57:47 PM #
I just picked up one of the few delivered to the LA area at office depot (2 per store)

Setting it up now. Very sexy up close. A little heavier than my palm vx but fit the hand the same.

screen is great but the "squishy" feel of it will take some getting used to. not to great in the dark. frontlighting leaves something to be desired initially.

will update more later.



I.M. Anonymous @ 10/9/2001 11:34:44 AM #
Has anyone seen a program for palm which you can use with the Nokia SNAKE
game via IR, I have seen many a Snake style game and know that the palm can
use the IR port for virtually anything, so why can someone not make the two player
game so that we can play against a nokia user at Snake with out palms




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