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"I am a IT reporter and have just attended an SD (Secure Digital) plug-in seminar held by Palm Co. in Hong Kong. I have taken two pictures of an engineering board which I believe to be the Palm m505. The board has a 16-bit true color reflective TFT display and we can see an SD card slot beside it.
"I am not sure the device is running a Palm OS4.0 but it works well with an SD memory card, and the card-info icon will show up when you plug in the SD card (yes, the same ICON which appears on the previous picture of the m505).
"The people from Palm Co. also showed us a movie-player running on that device. The display looks better than the Palm IIIc and the brightness is much more acceptable compared to the Japanese color version of the Clie 500c.
"The SD plug-in seminar will also held in Taiwan and Singapore during the next few days."
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wait...
RE: wait...
RE: wait...
with the 100 series already out, Palm's sticking to the odd numbers, again.
RE: wait...
It will have upgradable dual processors on-board and most likely a built in pDVD/xWidia player. Palm will also discontinue graffiti for a voice-recognition system (initially Am Eng and Italian) while graffiti (renamed to sumo-ink which is rediculous I think - hope they come up with something better!) will only be used for Japanese, Thai, and Chinese. Release Feb 2002.
What about audio???
RE: What about audio???
TealMovie apparently plays audio with movies that support it. There's also an old program called "Wave" or something like that, that you can use to play wav files on a Palm (after a quick header conversion on the desktop).
I've done it, but unless Palm changes the speaker to be more robust, don't think it will be that great. Though, all they REALLY need to do is provide a headphone jack. hehe
RE: What about audio???
It could be really good if these MP3-players authorize to connect a SD-RAM:
-65536 colors.
-Good quality sound.
-A movie on a great data space...
;)
It's a dream...
RE: What about audio???
RE: What about audio???
battery life on current color handhelds
RE: battery life on current color handhelds
RE: battery life on current color handhelds
"Average use" of a rechargable unit, color not, should have enough life in the battery to last approximately 25-35 days. "Average use" qualifies as a couple hours a day TOTAL. Use of applications that use sound or do a lot of graphical changes (games mostly) will drain the battery much faster.
But as the previous poster mentioned, simply always keep it in the cradle when you can when the unit is not in use and you will never have problems with the charge.
Palm Tech Employee
RE: battery life on current color handhelds
Nice screen!
RE: Nice screen!
Namely resolution and color depth. Color depth helps alot as it allows more blending, which can reduce the appearance of pixelation. 16 bit color gives you 65536 colors vs the IIIc's what? 16 color? I can't remember.
I'm not sure if the resolution has changed up from the 160x160 its been for so long, but in any case, its going to be much better then the IIIC.
Palm Tech Employee
RE: Nice screen!
RE: Nice screen!
and simular screen..maybee better...Carlis
RE: Nice screen!
RE: Nice screen!
160x160 pixels = 25600 pixels = max. 25600 colors
Which doesn't really matter 'cause the main point about the m505 is the Palm V form factor combined with color plus an expansion slot.
RE: Nice screen!
RE: Nice screen!
>The number of pixels has NOTHING to do with the
>number of displayable colors. Providing 16 bits of
>framebuffer memory per pixel is what allows EACH
>PIXEL to take on any one of 65536 different colors.
Exactly. But you will never be able to display 65.536 colors AT THE SAME TIME (due to the limitation to 25.600 pixels). Which was my original point - I think this discussion about 65536 colors is rather academical. The main point about the m505 is the Palm V form factor + color + expansion slot. (Plus the range of Palm applications, of course...)
Availability
It's a pity...
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Very excited to see this come to market!
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RE: It's a pity...
If so, you will have to wait until at least 2003, according to this article:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010207/tc/sony_s_new_display_prototype_lets_video_shine_1.html
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No Backlight or Sidelight
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RE: No Backlight or Sidelight
RE: No Backlight or Sidelight
Every picture of the "new Palm color display" I have seen has not shown it with a sidelight at all. It's really anyone's guess until the actual device hits the streets.
Palm SD Seminar in HK
RE: Palm SD Seminar in HK
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RE: Palm SD Seminar in HK
It is not like the iPAQ PC Card sleeve which lets you use PC
Cards.
It will be interesting how Omnisky plans on making a compatible
modem for this unit. Seems like they can go 2 ways... use the
new bottom connector, or talk through the SD slot. I only hope
that they offer a passthrough connector on the back so that you
can cradle charge and/or Hotsync, and maybe use the PPK when
the modem is connected.
movie player
Another m505 Picture at SFPUG
Anyway, the picture is pretty much the same as the one with this story but the page has an interesting quote: "Palm said they had to cover the rest of the body because it was part of a 'next generation' model. "
The SFPUG people also bring up the sometimes forgotten point that the m505 will support both SD and MMC (MultiMedia Cards), a less secure standard.
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Upgrade...
NOT a Palm V!
DAMNIT!
I chose palm because they were not into the "make your current hardware obsolete after it is out of the box" business a la microsoft.
I thought that I could buy a palm without fearing it'd be old after a few months. The m100 gave me a "palm cares about the customers also" feeling, I was like "they just released a cheap palm! They care!!"
I bought a IIIc.
Now I see that my IIIc will be A PICE OF OBSOLETE CRAP in 6 months. I should have buyed a fucking cassiopeia, after all, they will be obselete in less time than my IIIc.
The handheld market WAS different. They DID care for the customer. People who buyed a palm V YEARS ago still see it in the shelves, alive and well.
Now that is over.
Enter the gates-ation of the palm market.
Why to buy this new palm m500 if this crap will be old in 6 months too?
Palm was special, even with those 20mhz processors because they didn't becoem obsolete in 6 months.
Now palm is only an underpowered pocket pc.
I buyed my palm for christmas.
BIG MISTAKE!
Sorry for the cusses, but I am pissed off.
RE: DAMNIT!
- In a few months, you'll be able to update your IIIc to OS 4.0. This will enable you to use all the enhanced programs that require the new OS.
- Because of the m505 (and the Visor Prism), the amount of software that makes real use of color will grow rapidly
Besides:
- I started with an USR Pilot 500, continued with a Palm Pilot III and am currently the proud owner of a Vx.
- I didn't buy the new machines because I couldn't have used the old ones any more - no, I bought them because I wanted some cool feature which my old PDA didn't have (e.g. reason to go buy Palm III: IR and backlit display; reason to buy Palm Vx: form factor, more memory, better display, faster processor). Same with the Palm m505.
- I still can use almost any piece of software I've bought for my first machine - now that's what I call customer friendly!
- I sold all my old machines for a good price
So, relax - you own a great PDA, and you will be able to use it and buy new software for it for years to come.
RE: DAMNIT!
Palm is releasing new products to stay competitive as technology evolves. My Palm Vx is still every bit as useful as it was when I purchased it and not at all made obselete by the release of the IIIc and VII/VIIx models. My first Palm was a PalmPilot Personal, which I later upgraded with the 2MB card to get IR functionality and an improved OS. I upgraded to a Palm Vx to get the crisper display and, more importantly, the additional memory. In the four years that I've been a Palm owner I have registered over easily $800 of software, almost all of which is still useful or has been upgraded to match the evolution of the Palm hardware and OS.
Put simply: If you want the latest and greatest, than you have to pay for it. Technology is constantly evolving and the "latest and greatest" changes almost from day to day. I'll buy the color V form factor when it comes out to get color and SD expansion capability. You have color on the IIIc, can upgrade the OS and third-party software to increase functionality and have 8MB of RAM. Unless you run into a memory bottleneck with the 8MB you have no real desperate need to immediately upgrade until there are enough viable SD hardware enhancement options available to make an informed investment decision. The display may ultimately be better, but I'm sure that even that will be debated on this forum and others once the actual product is released.
Technomania is an expensive hobby and I am certainly guilty of it. Older models can often be sold to a loving new home through eBay or user forums and software investments are usually still good despite a change in similiar hardware. If you expect Palm to hold off releasing new products so that you're Palm IIIc can stay on the Palm platform cutting edge, than you need to reevaluate the nature of your purchase and investment. Paper day planners sold today are very similiar in price and function to those sold a few years ago. PDA models are not.
Benjamin Hawk Duncan
RE: DAMNIT!
You said it yourself, your palm Vx wasn't made obsolete because of the release of palm VII and IIIc.
But the VII,VX and IIIc WILL be obsolete because of the new palms, and they will be old in 5 weeks
RE: DAMNIT!
Video card technology has been changing very rapidly, but a card bought four years ago is still not obsolete. It may not be able to support a smooth, high framerate game of "Unreal Tournament" or "Quake III", but it will serve a business application user just as well as it did when it was purchased. VHS videotape was not made obsolete by the release of DVD technology. Movie lovers who wanted the ultimate home viewing experience were compelled to upgrade, but many people were satisfied with keeping their VCRs. The current Palm models will NOT be obselete for users who don't need the latest and greatest features.
Any argument that new models with cutting edge functionality shouldn't be released to prevent older models from becoming less useful (not obsolete) is foolish. I'll probably give my Palm Vx to a friend or family member when I upgrade and, to them, the functionality offered will not be obsolete.
Benjamin Hawk Duncan
RE: DAMNIT!
How I'd LOVE to have the better screen contrast of the newer models. Adding color and expandability is a natural growth of the market.
Go back to your abacus and let technology progress for the rest of us.
BTW, I'm getting the m505 as soon as my tax refund goes thru!
TC
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