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With the inclusion of the virtual file system (VFS) in Palm OS 4.0, Palm owners finally have the opportunity to use an almost unlimited number of applications and files from their storage cards using an application still in development called MSMount and a memory card management utility, such as McFile.
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Slow Down!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 10:31:10 AM #
It worked as you said, but it seems to slow down the m505 when switching categories. Anyone else notice a decrease in speed?

RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 10:35:03 AM #
Oh yeah. Just opening the Launcher app now takes about 5 seconds while it gets the list of files off the SD card. Not great but I can now use GoBar, which I like. I haven't made up my mind if I'm going keep using this but it is a good option.

I know they are working on speeding up moving info to and from SD cards. Anyone know if the m505 will be able to be upgraded to be faster. Will it be a software change or a hardware one is really what I'm asking.

BTW, McFile is great all on its own. The Launcher is so lame about moving stuff around, like documents.

RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 10:43:42 AM #
I cannot access the server for mcfile. Would one of you kind souls please email mcfile to a desperate 505 user? Thanks

Where to download files to use MSMount on the m500 series
Satan @ 5/6/2001 11:03:55 AM #
MSMount (including the new version 0.71), McFile and other programs are available from the Files section of the CLIE Users Group at Yahoo Groups. These files are apparently updated regularly, and members will hopefully be able to ask and answer questions.

It's free and takes a minute to join.

what is default palm launcher?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 11:04:37 AM #
New palm user here, anyone can answere my question?

RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 11:06:09 AM #
I just emailed a copy of McFile to you.


RE: Slow Down!
Ed @ 5/6/2001 11:10:00 AM #
> what is default palm launcher?

The default Palm Launcher is what I call the one that comes installed on your Palm when you get it. It is what shows you all your applications and generally what you are looking at when you aren't in Memo Pad or something like that.

Launcher is actually an application all on its own. It is one of the built-in ones. Many people don't like it and use another launching app like SilverScreen or GoBar.

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RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 11:20:25 AM #
Do not use MSMount 0.7.1!
On the author's homepage, a red colored sentence written in Japanese said, "A big bug exists from v 0.7.0
Use v 0.6.5 instead"

RE: Slow Down!
Satan @ 5/6/2001 11:51:08 AM #
There was a memory leak in 0.70, but I believe this was dealt with in 0.71. If you have any doubts, just stick with 0.65 for now.

Version Changes?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 12:04:17 PM #
Satan, do you know what the differences are between 0.71and 0.65?

RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 12:32:21 PM #
Can someone e-mail MCfile to me. I can't understand those Japanese. Thanks

RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 12:56:47 PM #
Gina, open your eyes and READ and you'll see where to get the program. You could also have spent 20 seconds doing an internet search first and you would have the program already. Don't be so LAZY!

RE: Slow Down!
Ed @ 5/6/2001 1:37:05 PM #
MSMount also slows down running the apps on SD cards. With MSMount enabled, I ran Sol Free from my SD card and game play was a bit slow. I then disabled MSMount and ran Sol Free again, still from the SD Card. I was even still in the same game. The game moved roughly twice as fast. Naturally, this is only happening in apps being run from SD.

Just to be clear, I'm not referring to just loading the game. Actually moving the cards around was slow, too.

This isn't a complaint. I simply want everyone to be aware of this. Has anyone noticed it in other applications?

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RE: Slow Down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 2:26:38 PM #
hehehehe.. sorry.. you are right. I was being too lazy. Found the application. Thanks :)

RE: Slow Down!
Satan @ 5/6/2001 3:08:27 PM #
I had expected that using SD/MMC cards with MSMount would cause a lag in applications because this media type is currently slower than CompactFlash, in practical terms. (AutoCF and MSMount are both relatively transparent when used with a TRGPro accessing files on a CF card.)

Some of the questions we need to ask are:

1) Is the lag intrusive enough to outweigh the benefits?
2) Are there certain types of files or certain file sizes that are slower than others?
3) Are there any bugs in using MSMount with SD/MMC cards?
4) What improvements to MSMount are necessary to optimize access?
5) Will future SD standards really improve speeds?

RE: Version Changes?
Satan @ 5/6/2001 5:17:14 PM #
Please remember, this is still considered a BETA program, despite how good it already appears to be. I would recommend that only experienced users install MSMount. Individuals should also avoid using it in situations where data integrity is critical.

As taken from the MSMount English website:

Version 0.7.0 and later has a memory leak problem. Please use 0.6.5 at this time.


Version 0.7.1 2001/05/02 Fix the fatal error MSDW.c line 514. This will be caused by dmErrIndexOutOfRange
Version 0.7.0 2001/05/01 Use storage heap instead of dynamic heap. Not free system handle on DmCloseDatabase
Version 0.6.5 2001/04/22 Fix missing MemHandleSetOwner bug. Improve some performance
Version 0.6.4 2001/04/20 Default launcher can handle mounted applications
Version 0.6.3 2001/04/19 Fix DmGetNumDatabases and DmGetDatabase bug
Version 0.6.2 2001/04/13 Fix DmGetNextDatabaseByTypeCreator problem for large size KDIC dictionary
Version 0.6.1 2001/04/11 Add DmRecordInfo support. Check files before mount.
Version 0.6.0 2001/04/09 Allow to open with write mode bit. Modified record will be discarded.
Version 0.5.4 2001/04/04 Fix memory management bug for handle list
Version 0.5.3 2001/04/03 Fix DmDatabaseInfo problem when there is no appInfo or sortInfo in DB
Version 0.5.2 2001/04/02 Fix enbug by 0.5.1. Enable after soft reset feature is implemented.
Version 0.5.1 2001/03/29 allow to open a database that is already opened. DmOpenDatabase returns NULL if write mode bit is set
Version 0.5.0 2001/03/27 beta release


Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 12:04:17 PM

Satan, do you know what the differences are between 0.71and 0.65?


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 10:37:35 AM #
McFile alone is a great little program. I'm suprised Palm did not make something like this in the OS. The Palm COPY features allows you to copy .PDB files to the card from the handheld, but you can not copy them back. McFile allows you to do this.

RE: McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:27:17 PM #
Actually you can...

RE: McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:52:02 PM #
But McFile is still pretty cool!

RE: McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 4:21:26 PM #
> Actually you can...

You can? How? I'm in the copy function in Launcher on my m505 now and none of the databases saved on the card show up. They do show up when I try to copy databases from RAM to the card.

RE: McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 6:02:18 PM #
You're bad! I read your post, but didn't key on what you were saying. The DATABASES don't show up...I was just thinking apps I guess.

McFile seems really nice after a few minutes of use.

RE: McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 2:51:29 PM #
This all looks great but I don't speak Japanese and having downloaded and installed McFile the instructions on and off screen are in Japanese.

What have I done wrong?

Palm should learn from HandEra

ColinBush @ 5/6/2001 10:41:45 AM #
Honestly doesn't any1 value the SIZE of the m505 screen? Look at the handera 330, the graffiti area collapses to give at least 17% (if not more) viewable space! That's amazing. For me personally it is the handera that lures me. The battery as you all know can hold a charge for 10+ days using it regularly (hour or so a day) with 5 or so synchs. The lanscape option is really a neat feature but again the high rez has some prolems with other appz that aren't yet 100% compatible (screen distorted). Anyways Palm has really got to get that collapsible garffiti area, obviously it'd cost a ton for color version but definetely would be worth every penny.

"...we need to bring this solution to an end" - GWB referring to the spy plane incident.
RE: Palm should learn from HandEra
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 10:51:11 AM #
In what way is that relevant? I use a clie, the machine that started MSmount off. i've been using it for over a month. I'm not here bragging about how much better my machine or its new brother is, am I? This is an article devoted to msmount. while your post was informative, it belongs in a 'handera vs palm' post. if you'd focused on the advantages of the compact flash, that would have brought the relevance in, but it would still have not been a constructive post.

Removing SD Card

Ed @ 5/6/2001 11:03:29 AM #
I've been playing with this for a while and here's my first observation.

If you remove the SD Card, the apps will automatically disappear, of course. But putting it back in again does not make them reappear. You have to back into Prefs/MSMount and hit Disable then hit Enable again to make it find your apps. Also, if you had put them into categories, they will be uncategorized again.

Not a big problem for me; I have only the one 16 MB card.

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RE: Removing SD Card
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 7:41:30 PM #
I found that after doing the said procedure, I do a warm reset and all apps which have been categorized (i.e., I use Launcher and have tabs "apps"; "games", etc.) will be where they were before. try it out...


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 11:30:43 AM #
I just tried this with WordSmith. I created a doc with WordSmith then used McFile to move it to my folder on the SD card. Opened WordSmith again and it couldn't see it. Moved it back to RAM with McFile and it was back again.

Any apps you know can do this yet?

RE: Compatability
Satan @ 5/6/2001 11:49:10 AM #
Try iSilo

RE: Compatability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 12:25:29 PM #
I'm at work and away from my cradle. If somebody could try Noah the dictionary with a huge database of words and tell me if it works with MSMount I would be very happy. I'll try it later but I was hoping someone might know already.

RE: Compatability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 2:08:15 PM #
I can see Handbase PDB files from my MM card on my m505 using MSMount...transfered them to the card using McFile.

RE: Compatability
Annopoh @ 5/6/2001 2:40:52 PM #
I'm using WordSmith as default document reader in my Sony and Palm and I kept all document in expansion. I gonna still access this document by using MS Mount. I think that the problem is your setting on path in expansion memory ( MS,SD or MMC). The First time you have to use MCFiles to create path in expansion as Palm/Programs/ byyour own desire. After that move progam,data or document that you want to keep in expansion to this path. Go to preference, on MS Mount you have to declare path of access like the path that you created and keep data in expansion and select Enable. Then you can see that this program is very powerful. I can access a huge data and program from expansion by this program.....^_^

RE: Compatability
Dwayne @ 5/6/2001 7:15:14 PM #
Things to keep in mind for MSMounted data file names. They should not have spaces nor extra periods. I believe there is also a limit to how long the name can be as well. Definately keep the name length less than 32 characters, and I have found cases where I had to keep it under 16 characters. Please keep in mind while this a wonderful program, which unfortunately expires at the end of May, it is still in beta.

RE: Compatability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 11:23:56 PM #
I moved noah from my palm/launcher (where is couldn't find the data base) to palm with msmount and mcfile. seems slow, but usable. However, after trying to scroll through the dict pages, it would lock up after a few works and require a reset.

I did do the writes with quickbits installed, turned it off with no effect. I have not tried to re-write the data to the card with out quick bits loaded.

McFile has a total backup option in it.

RE: MSMount Compatability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/14/2001 10:41:00 AM #
Here's a site that lists applications that have been tested with MSMount:

Does PowerRUN work on m500/m505?

Satan @ 5/6/2001 11:18:33 AM #
This program has been used to run executable programs from the memory cards of Sony CLIEs, just as MSMount has been used to run databases, documents etc from memory cards.

Several versions of PowerRUN available from Files section.

Penultimate version (0.43) apparently is the most stable.

RE: Does PowerRUN work on m500/m505?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 2:03:23 PM #
You don't need PowerRun ... apps run just from from a SD/MMC card. (It's a feature of PalmOS 4.0) PalmOS 4.0 also supports databases on a SD/MMC card, but programs have to be modified to make this work. (MSMOUNT does it without modifying the apps, but there is a speed penalty.)


RE: Does PowerRUN work on m500/m505?
Satan @ 5/6/2001 3:22:01 PM #
Eric, the way the default launcher works (in apps that are PalmOS 4 "naive", i.e. not specially coded to take advantage of the Palm API) is to simply copy the program ENTIRELY from SD/MMC and run it in RAM. When the user is done with the program, it is automatically deleted from RAM. Part of the point of using programs like MSMount is to see how much of your data can be offloaded from RAM into storage on SD/MMC. That way you're less likely to encounter RAM limits if for some reason you have to open a large file using the standard launcher.

TRG's AutoCF and nagamatu-san's MSMount are more sophisticated in that they copy only small parts of the files at a time into RAM, so users can potentially open large (several MB) files, even though they may only have a few hundred KB of RAM still free.

I have limited experience with the CLIE (and even less experience reading Japanese), so I'm not sure whether or not PowerRUN would also provide an efficient way of accessing programs (i.e. without having to copy the entire selected application into RAM before it can be run).

As you can see, the default Palm launcher's way of accessing programs is extremely inefficient and simplistic. If you have in-depth knowledge of how PowerRUN works, please enlighten us all.


You don't need PowerRun ... apps run just from from a SD/MMC card. (It's a feature of PalmOS 4.0) PalmOS 4.0 also supports databases on a SD/MMC card, but programs have to be modified to make this work. (MSMOUNT does it without modifying the apps, but there is a speed penalty.)



RE: Does PowerRUN work on m500/m505?
Dwayne @ 5/6/2001 7:09:55 PM #
I haven't used or even seen an M500/M505 yet, but it would seem that OS 4.0's default launcher does more or less the same thing as PowerRun 0.3 and before. Later versions of PowerRun 4.3 and above copy BOTH the program and the data from the Memory Stick (I'm an N700C user) to the Palm memory.

I even had problems with PowerRun 0.3 in which it seemed to require the data to be in the main memory. With my 10 megs of KDic data files, this was not a possibility for me. Currently I use PowerLaunch Lite, but if I was an M500/M505 user, I would be happy with the default OS 4.0 launcher.

Instructions on starting MSmount

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 11:58:06 AM #
Could you please show an example of an actual program with databases and how to establish the path: It would be appreciated! I am having a little trouble with this. Thanks to the Ed Hardy

RE: Instructions on starting MSmount
Annopoh @ 5/6/2001 2:48:45 PM #
Normally setting path in expansion for all specially program that used with Sony is " Palm/Programs/.........(difference depend on which program). If you want to use with MS Mount, you can create your own name path under Palm/Programs/.....your own path..... by McFiles.
That's all....^_^

Installation directory per Palm.
dteky @ 5/6/2001 10:36:00 PM #
This is per instruction for Secure Digital Card.

"The following table shows where the handheld stores files on a card when you copy files from your handheld. When copying files to a card from your computer, it is important to place them in the proper folder so that the handheld can find them.

Folder/Subfolder Types of Files Stored
PALM/Launcher Application (PRC)
Databases (PDB)
Web clipping application

PALM/Books Electronic books(PDB,PRC)

I hope this helps.

Help with MSmount please!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 12:38:19 AM #
I have a drug database and still did see any icon after doing all these steps.

I put created a new folder in SD called drugs

then i put all drugs database in the drugs folder on SD

I write /palm/launcher/drugs lexidrug.prc
and then end able MSmount. I went back the default laucher and nothing is there.

What did I do wrong, please help thank you

RE: Instructions on starting MSmount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 2:13:09 AM #
I had the same problem until I remembered to put in the last "/" at the end of the directory name.

Also, I found some files didn't show up while others did. Currently, they all show up if I put them in /Palm/

As for other directories, I tried "/files/" (my choice)
-- some files didn't show up.

"/Palm/Launcher/" made redundant entries in SD-aware apps, and took too long to list.

So, to sum up, currently dumping all my large reference files into /Palm/ works well.

- Steve

Files Show Up!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 9:05:23 AM #
Thank you Steve! Putting in the final forward slash "/" is what it took to get my files to show up. This is great!

RE: Instructions on starting MSmount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:28:19 PM #
I can only get an application to be displayed in the folder "Palm/Launcher/".
I've tried iSilo and numerous other programs in folders such as "/Palm/" and personalized folders
like "Palm/Launcher/med/" without success. I'd like to figure-out how to place programs
in other folders other than "Palm/Launcher/" (and have them displayed). I hate the redundancy MSMount can cause to
causes to SD aware programs that also use the folder "Palm/Launcher/" Any ideas? I appreciate any input.
Great thanks to everyone who has posted on this site--I'm turning my m505 into a beast of a PDA.

Help with MSmount please!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 1:22:41 AM #
Can someone please show me a the exact step how to use MSmount and Mcfile.

I created a folder name Files under Palm directory using Mcfile
put some data in there, example drug database (drug.prc, drugDB.pdb)

I open MSmount and type in the /Palm/Files/ drug.prc and then enable MSmount. Go back the default lauch and nothing is there.

What did I do wrong, please help. Thank you

Help on Instructions on starting MSmount
MadMax @ 5/9/2001 12:10:17 AM #
Ypu need to pick from step 5.

5.Go back into the default Launcher and open the Prefs application, pull down the menu at the upper right
corner of the screen, and choose the new "MSMount" option.
6.Once in, type in the full path on the SD card from Step 3. Then tap the "Enable" button and check the two
boxes below.
7.Go back into Launcher and all apps in the designated folder on the SD Card will now appear..

Clie with MSMount

So Koide @ 5/6/2001 12:21:06 PM #
I'm using Sony Clie with MSMount in Japan.
I'm looking forward to getting information from some AvantGo channel everyday. But I'm japanese and cannot understand difficult english word, so I use KDIC DA which is DA version of dictionary software. It's need english-japanese data which size is big. I'm using about 2.5MB size dictionary with KDIC and MSMount, and I can let my Clie's RAM free. I think it's very useful for whom uses the software which needs large size of data like dictionary.
RE: Clie with MSMount
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/23/2001 5:53:08 PM #
can you please answer me this: does msmount read the dictionary databases directly from memory stick or it makes a temporary copy of them on clie's ram (which means slowing down and lots of freeram memory needed)such as powerrun does?

Thanx in advance,

RE: Clie with MSMount
Satan @ 6/23/2001 7:25:33 PM #
MSMount copies small parts of the files into RAM on an as needed basis. PowerRUN copies entire programs into RAM and executes them from there.

License Expired?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 1:36:29 PM #
I followed the directions as stated, but when i try to enable Msmount, i get a license expired message, and it remains disabled, what couldi be doing wrong?

RE: License Expired?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 1:49:21 PM #
oops..I figured it out. It helps to set the time and date after doing a hard reset :/

RE: License Expired?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/1/2001 7:59:28 PM #
hi can you be a little more s[ecific on this issue, i am getting the same expired message and can c=get around it

RE: License Expired?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/4/2001 1:28:07 PM #
I just installed the MS mount and get the same message, even with the time and date. Please advise.

RE: License Expired?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:28:39 PM #
easy, i had the same problem - just download again from the official site (

i reinstalled the version and it did work again - i think there was a beta-software timeout in the old archive.

make sure you disable your old version before instaqlling the new one.

RE: License Expired?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2001 11:05:51 PM #
Reinstalling the program makes no sence. There is no prefenece or something like that, that will be deleted when you reinstall it. I have analysed the program and there is routine where the date is checked. The program only works from July to August 2001. At all other dates it will not mount a thing.

(I have patched 2 bits of the library and now it works forever...:-) )

Lets see what changes will be made in future releases. If the speed-problem will be solved, I will definitly register it.

RE: License Expired?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/4/2001 7:17:21 PM #
I was wondering what did you patch and how did you do it? I appreciate any guidance.


Avoid Overclock with MS Mount on M50X and N700C

Annopoh @ 5/6/2001 2:55:04 PM #
The problem that I met when using MS Mount with overclock program (just like AfterBurner...) in both m505 and Sony is processor can't access or read the data from expansion (in addition with more overclock than 40 MHz)....sometimes I have to format my expansion that because of the name on expansion card was changed.....certainly your handhelds cannot access data from expansion that was changed its name by their own.....Anybody has experience just like me??????

RE: Avoid Overclock with MS Mount on M50X and N700C
Dwayne @ 5/6/2001 7:20:20 PM #
So far with my Sony N700C, I can not use any kind of accelerator with any program that access the MemoryStick without getting an access error. With Afterburner you should be able to set the speed to normal for apps that don't access external memory and you should be fine. Or not :-) You probably have to set apps that beam as normal as well. Or not :-) I don't know Afterburner that well.

RE: Avoid Overclock with MS Mount on M50X and N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 7:43:20 PM #
I've had the same problem with overclocking corrupting CF cards and files on a TRG Pro. Probably just pushing the hardware beyond what it's designed for. Don't you just love living on the edge?

RE: Avoid Overclock with MS Mount on M50X and N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 11:58:46 AM #
I have an M505 and use MSMount and McFile and have it Overclocked to 45 mhz using FactCPU and have not had a problem yet.

RE: Avoid Overclock with MS Mount on M50X and N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/13/2001 10:41:12 AM #
On my 505 everythings works perfect. I overclock some programs with 50 Mhz abd even they use the CF-card with MsMount I had no problems at all.

btw: Afterburner sux.


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:21:24 PM #
can someone please remind me what a troll is

RE: troll
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:27:16 PM #
PocketPC is better than Palm! You idiots

RE: troll
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:27:32 PM #
That is what a troll is. Hope this helps :-)

RE: troll
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:27:54 PM #
so its a keyword for the fact that pocketpc's are better than palms

RE: troll
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 3:38:41 PM #
A devil in somewhat of a disguise!

One with the intent of doing harm!

RE: troll
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 4:07:06 PM #
>so its a keyword for the fact that pocketpc's are better than palms

Watch it. You are being a troll! Who says its a FACT that pocketpc is better than palm?

RE: troll
Ed @ 5/6/2001 4:26:16 PM #
Please don't start the Palm vs. Pocket PC war here. It is totally off topic. This article has nothing to do with Pocket PCs.

A troll is an individual who regularly posts specious arguments, flames, or personal attacks for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll."

Copied from:

I would prefer you guys to ignore troll posts. Responding to them is what they want.

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RE: troll
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 12:01:56 PM #

Launcher III 2.2 compatible with MSMount?

Satan @ 5/6/2001 4:53:54 PM #
Launcher III, a well-regarded freeware tabbed program launcher was recently updated to version 2.2 and is now reportedly compatible with PalmOS 4.

Has anyone here used Launcher 2.2 with MSMount? Do the applications in the SD/MMC card show up in the Launcher III's list of applications? (Either before or after MSMount is enabled.)

RE: Launcher III 2.2 compatible with MSMount?
Ed @ 5/6/2001 5:37:01 PM #
I just installed Launcher III. If MSMount is installed, it does show applications but not files in the directory on the SD Card.

If you take out the SD Card, you need to refresh apps in order for it to notice they aren't there. If you pop it back in, you still need to disable then enable MSMount to get them to show up again. Refreshing apps again won't do it. But after you have enabled MSMount again, it will put you apps back into their categories. The built-in Launcher just puts them in 'Uncategorized".

I've never used Launcher III before. I'll take it out for a test drive.

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RE: Launcher III 2.2 compatible with MSMount?
Satan @ 5/6/2001 6:16:06 PM #
Among the launchers available for the Palm, many feel that Launcher III is second only to Launch 'Em in terms of improved functionality.

The developer had claimed that the new version would "remember" the tab placement of apps, so it's good to hear that this is true. (Even Launch 'Em has some difficulty remembering tab placement.)
Tabbed interface + speed + OS 4 compatibility + no cost = a very impressive launcher.
The only significant feature it lacks is the ability to place tabs on any side of the screen (Launch 'Em can do this). I wonder if Synergy has an contract with Benc that prevents him from adding this feature...

RE: Launcher III 2.2 compatible with MSMount?
Dwayne @ 5/6/2001 7:24:48 PM #
If adding the capability to have tabs on any sides slows down Launcher III in any way (on my Sony N700C LIII is faster than my registered Launch'em), here is my vote for NO NO NO to that idea!

RE: Launcher III 2.2 compatible with MSMount?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2001 3:26:04 PM #
Also, LIII is so small compared to other launchers. It's simple, affordable (free), and stable. And now supports color!

BTW, I haven't istalled MSMount on m505 yet, and I don't see any apps on my extension card in LIII. I guess MSMount is the only way to do that??? How bout Silver Screen, Mega Launcher, etc? Do they work with expansion cards? Has anyone tried?

OS 4.0 w/ The Rest Of the Palms

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 5:18:52 PM #
I know this doesn't totally relate to this but, will there be PalmOS out for the rest of the devices with FlashROM?

Overclocking the msmount, powerrun & mcfile
onyx @ 5/6/2001 6:03:32 PM #
does it help to overclock using afterburner, some of the above mentioned card reader programs. If so, has anyone actually tried using afterburner?

palm is where it @

RE: OS 4.0 w/ The Rest Of the Palms
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 12:07:06 PM #
In my mind Afterburner sux try FastCPU

Backup Card is Coming! Maybe we can use its COPY App?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 8:30:03 PM #
The Palm Backup Card will justify the SD slot for me. I have one on order from Palm Store. The ability to backup my entire Palm data/apps in one fell swoop is great. No more laborious Desktop backups! I wonder if this Backup Card is simply a 8MB Memory Card with a Copy program app? Maybe we can use this same copy app WITH THE 16MB SD memory Card to also copy DB's to the 16MB Card too??? Any thoughts?

RE: BackupBuddyVFS
Ed @ 5/6/2001 9:24:26 PM #
There is a new app called BackupBuddyVFS:Free that will let you do backups onto a regular SD card. I'm using the free version now. Works fine.

News Editor
Palm Infocenter
RE: Backup Card is Coming! Maybe we can use its COPY App?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 10:37:07 PM #
can we please have a link for this?

Satan @ 5/7/2001 12:32:20 AM #
RE: Backup Card is Coming! Maybe we can use its COPY App?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 7:47:40 AM #

If you get the full (non free) version, it adds a few useful features like auto backup at specified times or after every power off, and you can specify which files to backup or restore.

Neither version will backup "read-only" databases, or databases in flash or on springboard modules.

I got the full (mobile)version free because I have a registered version of BackupBuddy (the Desktop version)which everyone should have.

RE: Backup Card is Coming! Maybe we can use its COPY App?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 8:04:58 AM #
You might also want to look at CardBackup ($8)

or CardSync ($10)

of course BackupBuddy:VFS (full version) $4.95

BackupBuddyVFS and MSMount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 10:10:23 AM #
I just ran my first backup with BackupBuddyVFS with MSMount on and my m505 crashed and needed a soft reset. I stopped MSMount and ran the backup again and no problems. Happen to anyone else?

RE: Backup Card is Coming! Maybe we can use its COPY App?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 10:46:40 AM #
Yes, I had the same problem with backupbuddyVFS. I was thinking that the problem was that when you tapped BACKUPBUDDY it was loading it from the card not on the handheld like it should of been. Since BB is intstalled on the card (so you can restore) and when you mount the SD card it overwrites the version you have on your handheld. So I think it conflicting with its self.

Thats what I think is happening...



I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2001 9:35:47 PM #
I tried using MSMount and McFile. Once on the SD card the files will not show up in Launch'EM.
isilo did not recognize any files on the SD card either.

I have a "well this really sucks" feeling coming on right now.

RE: iSIlo (Launch'EM)
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 12:10:00 AM #
I got a crummy "SD/MMC card support is being considered for a future release of iSilo" reply to my question to the people at Considering how long it's been since an update, I'm wondering how long that will be.

It's sad because I've been a big booster of iSilo in many places, but right now I'm thinking of switching over to Plucker. I'm definitely going to convert all the stuff at the Bandernsnatch Unpress ( I'm a Unix guy at heart, so the interface is pretty cool with me. If the regular Plucker dev team doesn't get around to expansion card support, at least the source is available so someone can do it!


RE: Launch'EM & iSilo support
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 1:07:01 AM #
I've got to agree - iSilo's kinda dropping the ball, at least in terms of public relations. No updates in a year, and all the responses I've ever received (or that I've seen posted) make me think it's an extremely back-burner project for the developers. Combine that with the closed nature of the file-format, and it's really frustrating. DC & Co won't even produce a MacOS X version of their document converter, and all it would take is a couple of tweaks to their BSD version!

I've looked at Plucker too, but there's some things about it that bug me, and the parser is python -- again, no decent mac version (except this time it's reversed, with one that *will* work on OS X, just no 9.1). Plus Plucker produces PDBs that need to be modified before they're recognized as Palm files, so they don't always Hotsync correctly.

At any rate, I'm beginning to lean towards ANYTHING that's open source, so at least there'll be a better chance that issues are resolved when the original developer loses interest.

RE: Launch'EM & iSilo
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 10:59:01 AM #
Go into MSMount and make sure there is a slash at the end of your specified folder. That should make your files appear in iSilo. This works in WordSmith.

RE: Launch'EM
Dwayne @ 5/7/2001 11:06:38 AM #
In my experience, ISilo has been one of the better programs for recognizing MSMounted data files. Sometimes I can only get an HTML file converted with ISiloWeb to work, whereas MakeDocW fails. I prefer MakeDocW files since I can use other DOC readers.

Make sure there are no spaces in the file name. Make sure there is only one period (.) in the file name. Probably safer to stick with alphanumeric characters otherwise. You can rename your source files before converting with ISiloweb or rename them afterwards on the Palm with McFile. I have over 50 files on my Memory Stick that have been converted with ISiloWeb and MakeDocW and ISilo recognizes all of them.

RE: Launch'EM
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:11:43 PM #
I started this string yesterday and since then have been able get SD files to show up on my Launchem desktop.
When entering the path name in MSMount I had thought that I deleted all prior text. This was not so. Once corrected it worked. The SD files I transferred showed up under the apps tab in Launchem.

I am using the beta version of Launchem 3.0b11. Go to and click on the download beta version icon at the bottom of the page.

As for the isilo problem I will give these suggestions a try.

One more thing on I found on using McFile and MSMount (sorry if this has already been mentioned): After a file is moved to the SD card the name of the file will appear back under the palm directory the next time MSMount is enabled. This gives the appearance of duplicated files.
Perhaps someone can comment on this. It seems that this is only a duplicated name and not the actual file as the file does not appear to have been physically copied - as I can tell by watching my free space indicator.

RE: Launch'EM
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 2:12:28 AM #
would you please post step by step on how did you made applications appeared on Launch'Em 3.0b from the SD card. Thank you

RE: Launch'EM
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 12:27:03 PM #
Well I will give it a shot but to be honest it was mostly trial and error with A LOT of soft resets and A LOT of crashes. On that topic each reset is met with several errors...

In MSMount: disable it then go into another pref such as general then go back into MSMount. On mine the path changed to something long and convoluted, a combination of what I entered previously and what what was there prior. Highlight and delete everything and be sure to scroll left with the stylus on the entry line to be sure everything is gone.

Type /Palm/Launcher/
check both boxes.

Go into Launchem. If the apps show up they will be under the apps tab. Mine never do at this point. I have to soft reset - several times. Usually on the 3rd reset the apps all show up under the apps tab and can be moved to whatever tab you choose.

There are still many bugs in this system to be worked out. Once it is set up all the apps on SD should be visible in Launch'em 3.0b11 but there is a significant delay b/w changing tabs, launching the apps and returning to launchem. Once an app is launched it seems to run at normal speed.

If anyone is interested I could post the specifics of the error messages.

Good luck!

RE: Launch'EM
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 2:32:26 PM #
Thanks man! it's working now. And you are right, the delay when launching "Launch'Em 3.0b" is killing me.

Thanks again

RE: Launch'EM
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 1:50:44 PM #
Synsolutions tech support tells me that they are working on a plugin for Launch'Em for SD card support. It hasn't gone into beta yet, but they will put you on a list to be a beta tester if you contact them. Until then, MSMount/McFile is working for me but, as you have pointed out, verrrrry slowly.

RE: Launch'EM
Satan @ 5/9/2001 2:12:48 PM #
Try Launcher III 2.2

It doesn't have all of the features of Launch 'Em 2, but it's faster and is an excellent tabbed launcher. I'm surprised that Benc managed to put out a freeware program with PalmOS 4 support before Synergy was able to release Launch 'Em 3. Synergy have been beta testing Launch 'Em 3 for around 6 months, and it's starting to sound like the program is becoming a bit bloated. The betas have had speed issues even running on regular Palms, so I would expect things to be very slow using the (already slow) SD/MMC interface.

Success! BibleReader w/ multi versions now accessible

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 1:42:26 PM #
Using NASB+, NKJV, and Greek NT all right from SD card! I had to give up using MegaLauncher for the time being though. It did not play nice with MSMount/McFile and the whole setup.

I went with the default Palm directory Palm/Launcher and everything seems pretty stable. There is a significant lag when opening BibleReader and as the Greek/Hebrew dictionaries are accessed.

RE: Success! BibleReader w/ multi versions now accessible
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:56:10 PM #
I'm using Mega Launcher II and have yet to install MSMount and McFile. However I plan to try it out and am wondering what kind of problems you experienced?


Copy function only copying apps

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 1:57:56 PM #
I just bought an m500 and noticed that I can only copy apps to the 16m card. When I want to copy a reader and all the information contained in the reader to the card, only the app copies. Is there a way to copy all the information to the card and save space on the handheld? Any suggestions welcome. I am still new to this palm thing.

RE: Copy function only copying apps
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:29:23 PM #
morningstar1844 here; you should be able to copy almost anything to the card but as yet most programs with databases cannot find the database files if they reside(databases) on the card. Fixes should arrive shortly!

RE: Copy function only copying apps
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:48:48 PM #
Thanks. Any idea if it will be an upgrade to the OS or just a download fix? If so, where do I continue to look to find it when it arrives?

RE: Copy function only copying apps
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 11:16:23 PM #
morningstar1844 here: Best to contact your developers at their website and let them know you want the update that access the SD card slot (or multimedia card slot)
As Far as I know it will not be a fix to the OS until 5.0 is released next year! Have a good day!

M500 and M505 benchmark only at 160% What gives?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 6:17:40 PM #
The m500 benchmarks with benchmark 2.0 as only 160% or so.

So does the m505.

The visor platinum clocks in at 204%

And when you crank up a visor platinum to 45 mhz via afterburner, you get 325%!!!

With my old palm iiixe, cranked up to 45 mhz, (it was stable) I got 260%

What gives?

Benchmark author says his program is compatible with os 4.0

RE: M500 and M505 benchmark only at 160% What gives?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 11:20:15 PM #
It's possible for a program to support OS 4.0 but not the m500 series. I flashed 4.0 onto my IIIc and was able to get OmniRemote to work on it but starting it on the m505 I got a "serial port blocked" message.

Yet more apps simply assume that the display will be 8-bit and won't work properly on any other depth (i.e., Sun Compass). The 3rd party Prefs addon, Depth, fixes this problem by allowing you to specify a certain color depth for each program that's run (assuming the program doesn't force the color depth when it starts, like some games (i.e., Bejeweled) do).

As for the benchmark rating... I got 156%. I'm betting that this also has to do with the differences in hardware. I read a post (on USENET maybe???) that said that the same thing happened to the Sony N700 when it came out, but that Sony released a patch that fixed the problem.

RE: M500 and M505 benchmark only at 160% What gives?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 11:10:57 AM #
I got 270% in M505 with afterburner 3.0t and u.
But screen scroll is still slower than when I install afterburner 3.0t in Palm IIIxe.

RE: M500 and M505 benchmark only at 160% What gives?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2001 6:47:52 AM #
If you really want to know the speed of your Palm, just clock how long PocketSat will take for a specific calculation. I found out that the m505 at 50 Mhz (FastCPU) ist way faster (factor 1.5) than a Vx at 30 Mhz. The Platinum ist as fast as the m505 at the same clockspeed.

All the apps (including Benchmarck) with display-operations are slower on a color device compared to a non-color-device at the same clock-speed. Why ? I dont know... Maybe someone can tel me why.

For example: Try PalmFract. (I patched it to run on a m505) On a Vx at 30 Mhz the program is a little faster than on the m505 with 50 Mhz. Lots of display-operations slow it really down.

m50X modem

Palmvala @ 5/7/2001 11:55:00 PM #
Guys has anybody bought the m500 modem. How is it? Is it easily connected to the unit ....etc. speed wise does it connect at > 33.6. what software comes with it. Thanks.

re: Diplicate files and msmount

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 11:59:11 PM #
While memory does not actually decrease with the duplicate files that seem to be created in ram with msmount... I find that the hotsync actually backs up the files which can take considerable longer... basically it looks like the file does get copied to ram but is marked as hidden(Deleted?) and set to backup on hotsync. However if you do another hotsync without msmount enabled then the files dissapear from the backup directory. So if you have a lot of files they will need to be backed up at least once, or you will need to remember to disable msmount before hotsyncing.
Disable MSMount before HotSyncing
Satan @ 5/8/2001 12:11:25 AM #

Maddening file listings!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 12:22:14 AM #
I think MS Mount will be/is an almost essential extension to the anemic Palm OS4 VFS support.

I'm currently going CRAZY trying to get some files to show up when using MS mount. Currently, I put files in /Files/ (remembering the final slash and avoiding /Palm/Launcher/ so SD aware apps aren't messed up).

It seems that some files simply refuse to show up in a target application under variable cicumstances, whcih I can't seem to figure out.

For example, using the reader.prc for some medical texts non-SD aware version 5 -- that version seems to have a memory leak):

1. critcare.pdb in Palm main memory -- SHOWS UP
2. critcare.pdb in Card dir: /Files/ -- NO SHOW
3. critcare.pdb in Card dir: /Palm/Files/ -- SHOWS UP

I have a few other texts in the /files/ card dir, and they ALL show except for this last one! It's not that this file CAN't be read by the reader or from the SD card, it just doesn't like to be in a certain folder/with others? I had the same problem with some of the other texts but they seem to be cooperating now.

Using MS Mount 0.65 and Mcfile 1.12, Palm m505, 64 MB MMC.


RE: Maddening file listings!!!!
Satan @ 5/8/2001 1:03:18 AM #
Where do you have your Reader program? It's possible that you have to keep both the Reader and the critcare database in the same directory for it to work. I remember there have been ongoing problems trying to get Reader to coexist with TRG's (MSMount-like) AutoCF, specifically because Reader was coded to be able to directly assess files from the secondary storage media (using the special API built into the OS).

Handheldmed seems fairly clueless in general, but you might want to ask them specifically whether or not their programs support MSMount. They probably hav never heard of it, so be prepared to send them the files along with an explanation of how to set it up on a Palm v50x.

As an aside, I'd like to thank the CLIE experts like Dwayne F. for taking the time to contribute suggestions to this discussion.


I think MS Mount will be/is an almost essential extension to the anemic Palm OS4 VFS support.

I'm currently going CRAZY trying to get some files to show up when using MS mount. Currently, I put files in /Files/ (remembering the final slash and avoiding /Palm/Launcher/ so SD aware apps aren't messed up).

It seems that some files simply refuse to show up in a target application under variable cicumstances, whcih I can't seem to figure out.

For example, using the reader.prc for some medical texts non-SD aware version 5 -- that version seems to have a memory leak):

1. critcare.pdb in Palm main memory -- SHOWS UP
2. critcare.pdb in Card dir: /Files/ -- NO SHOW
3. critcare.pdb in Card dir: /Palm/Files/ -- SHOWS UP

I have a few other texts in the /files/ card dir, and they ALL show except for this last one! It's not that this file CAN't be read by the reader or from the SD card, it just doesn't like to be in a certain folder/with others? I had the same problem with some of the other texts but they seem to be cooperating now.

RE: Maddening file listings!!!!
Satan @ 5/8/2001 2:12:49 AM #
First paragraph should read

"...specifically because Reader was coded to be able to directly access files..."

RE: Maddening file listings!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 2:52:27 AM #
thanks for the input. actually, the reader app is stored in Palm RAM, the books on the MMC.

The frustrating thing is the reader.prc CAN read the critcare.pdb book from the MMC -- see scenario #3.

It also CAN read all the other texts stored in /files/, but once I put the critcare.pdb in /files/ with the others, it CAN'T see/read it. Moving it back out to another directory, and resetting MS Mounts prefs to point there, it sees it. BTW YES, I have refresehed MS Mount before each trial.

So, as far as I see it, the reader app can be made to see MMC stored files, thus why I'm going nuts getting it to work.

- Steve

RE: Maddening file listings!!!!
Satan @ 5/8/2001 5:24:23 AM #
Three suggestions:

- What happens when Reader is in the same directory as your files (i.e. on your SD/MMC card)?

- It might be a problem related to how many directory levels down you are on the card. You might have to be 2 levels (/x/y/) for it to work. Are the other "text files" that show up in the /files/ directory files that also use Reader?

- Did you change the file name when you put it on the non-functioning directory?

RE: Maddening file listings!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 10:45:19 PM #
Well, I tried copying all of the files into /PALM/Books/ and lo and behold -- they ALL show up now! Copying them back into /Files/ ONLY the critcare.pdb file refuses to show (and other files that do show have longer filenames with spaces as well, so it's not a filename issue).

I still am not sure of the significance of all this.

Also: iSilo documents -- when I copied all of them into this directory, most showed up, but they weren't the same that showed up when in /files/.

Still makes no sense, but it seems to be working better.

Speed tests for MSMount running with SD/MMC cards

Satan @ 5/8/2001 12:14:06 AM #
Ed, (or anyone else) please post some more comparisons of how long it takes to open different programs with MSMount vs. with the default launcher. Posting a list of 10 or 20 common applications could be helpful for people toying with the idea of converting to MSMount.

Some suggestions: iSilo (with iSilo files rather than Doc files), Noah dictionary, HanDBase, TealDoc or another Doc reader, Documents To Go, Fireviewer.

RE: Speed tests for MSMount running with SD/MMC cards
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 10:30:59 AM #
Well, Launcher III takes about 8 seconds to load applications, initially. The option to do this every time should be deselected so the the program only does this once in a while. I noticed it does it after every HotSync and when one looks at any application properties. Other than that, Launcher takes about 1-2 seconds to load the applications.

Copying Cards ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 3:03:00 PM #
I've got the M505, along with a 16 meg card, the Games card, and the Travel Card for US cities (all available at Office Depot).

I noticed that neither the Games, nor the Travel cards, took up much of the available memory on the card. Rather than having to carry all around with me I decided to try to copy both sets of cards onto my 16 meg card. The plan was to copy to the palm, and then copy back to the 16 meg stick. The copy command doesn't help as it won't copy read-only files. With the links to McFile I've managed to copy almost all files over but for some reason I can't copy a .txt file. This one file (on the games card) seems to contain all the register information so that any time I play a game it tells me that it's unregistered and will expire within x days.

Does anyone have any pointers, or better utilities that will help copy the card in it's entirety ?


RE: Copying Cards ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 7:04:00 PM #
Ditto EXACTLY! I can't wait until a new File Manager tool comes out for the Palm OS 4.0 and SD/MMC. McFile is almost really good...but not quite!

RE: Copying Cards ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 2:55:36 AM #
Is the game card a SD card?

If yes, then I am sorry to tell you...that's EXACTLY what a Secure Digital card should do: prevent copying of the data on the card to somewhere else. Of course someone may come up with some program which can bypass the limition (read: he cracked the protection algorithm), which I am sure MPAA will be after his @ss immediately :p

Medical Apps with M505/M500

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 10:45:08 AM #
I would like to place the following programs on the SD:
Merck, 5mcc, epocrates,Lexidrugs.

Has anybody done this succesfully??


RE: Medical Apps with M505/M500
vlad200 @ 5/10/2001 12:43:03 AM #
Install MsMount. Install Mcfile. Keep the "Reader" for Merck in Palm. Place Merck file on SD card. Enable MSmount ro recognize path where you placed Merck.

5MCC- place the app on the palm. Place other three files in SD card.

ePcrates has to many files...decided not to play arround with them...but should work in a similar fashion.

The above is one way of doing it. There are probably others.

RE: Medical Apps with M505/M500
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2001 8:23:14 PM #
I placed 5MCC into "Launcher" on the McFile/MSMount and it worked! (A 3MB RAM savings). Make sure you place all 5 files into it.

RE: Medical Apps with M505/M500
drnine @ 5/17/2001 10:23:43 PM #
Has anyone put the Washington Manual on SD (from Franklin Reader) and if so how Exactly is it done. Go slow and keep it simple, I'm a doctor, not a computer expert :)

MSMount, WordSmith, and Editing Files

Ed @ 5/9/2001 2:45:13 PM #
I've run into a snag editing files with WordSmith and MSMount. I'll have a file on the SD card and, with MSMount, it shows up in WordSmith. So I open it, edit it, and close it. Now there are two versions of the file listed in WordSmith, one in RAM and one WordSmith has been tricked to think is in RAM by MSMount. I can open and edit the one that is actually in RAM. If I try to edit the one that is actually on the SD card, my Palm locks up and has to be reset.

So at this time I have to say that I think MSMount has a lot of potential and I'm really looking forward to the actual first version, as opposed to the beta we are using now. But I don't think it is ready for prime time. I have stopped running it regularly other than to tinker with it.

News Editor
Palm Infocenter

RE: MSMount, WordSmith, and Editing Files
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2001 1:02:03 AM #
It is unlikely that MSMount will support _editing_ files stored on the card. It probably wouldn't be too difficult to have the entire data file copied to ram, edited, and copied back to the card (overwriting or deleting the original), but this limits you to only being able to edit files smaller than your free ram. Direct edits of data on the card will likely depend on the editing program's being written to utilize the VFS API in OS4.
TRG's AutoCF has been around for about a year and it still only supports read-only functionality. I believe that TRG's API also supports it's own direct card reads/writes but I don't know of any software that utilizes it.

New MSMount available

Satan @ 5/12/2001 2:39:56 AM #
MSMount 0.7.4 now available
Satan @ 5/12/2001 9:20:57 PM #
It's in the Files section of the CLIE Users Group.

Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2001 4:27:18 PM #
Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount

Anyone know how to have files/apps that are on the SD expansion card to save their "set" categories. It seems that everytime I turn off the unit or resync, I lose all my category settings for apps on the SD card...


RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
Satan @ 5/12/2001 5:52:17 PM #
Try a soft reset

RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
Chromosome @ 5/12/2001 8:25:20 PM #
Satan, you are truly the master of the SD/MMC slot. Without your help I would have returned my 505. I worship you.

RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
Satan @ 5/12/2001 9:02:42 PM #
You are welcome, my son.


RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2001 11:15:03 PM #
I tried the soft reset. Appearantly you lose all your category settings for any apps/DBs on your SD card each time you disable MS Mount.

Any ideas??

RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2001 12:00:42 AM #
Are you using launcher III?

RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2001 3:36:37 AM #
Nope...I was using SilverScreen, but its not I have ditched for now. So I am not using any launchers.

This is very annoying because everytime you sync it will disable (which is necessary), and that's what causes it to lose the category preferences...argh.

RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2001 4:56:07 AM #
Try Launcher III 2.2

Launcher III 2.2! Argh!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/14/2001 3:22:49 PM #
Ok ok ok, I switched from SilverScreen to Launcher III 2.2 and after 1 day of excellent use, half my icons/apps are labeled (Launcher III, e.g., not Froggy, or Zap2016, etc.). I tried deleting and reinstalling L III but no go...any ideas??

RE: Categories Lost Using McFile/MS Mount
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/14/2001 7:39:08 PM #
Alright first up,Thank You to everyone who posted,
Mcfile is great
MSMount Is pretty damn good
Thanx to everyone here I am officially satisfied with my m505...Only one thing I dont want to use a third party launcher(palms launcher is good enough),How do I get apps(f/the sd card) back in thier categories after a sync or a msmount disable?

Besides that I am reading all 150 of my docs with no problems off the sd card with palmreader,and I have about 8 -1mb- or over games for liberty being overclocked and working perfectly..
who would have ever thought(and its only gonna keep getting better)anyway please help me with the category problem anyone?

m505 won't turn on - power light just glows. ARRGGG!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/14/2001 3:36:58 PM #
My week-old m505 is giving me problems. After installing some apps -- most recently qRx from -- the unit sometimes won't turn on after it shuts down. The green power button just glows and there's no way to turn it on. I even did a soft and a hard reset -- erasing all data -- and the palm still doesn't start up sometimes. So what's up? Any ideas?

RE: m505 won't turn on - power light just glows. ARRGGG!
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2001 6:59:18 AM #
It broke! Use your warranty.

What happens May 31st?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/15/2001 6:57:22 AM #
Has anyone heard what will happen with MSMount once the beta version expires. So far this application has been working well for me, however, I do not want to depend on it if it going to expire in a few weeks. Does anyone know if it will become shareware, or a new beta version?


RE: What happens May 31st?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/15/2001 10:32:17 AM #

I guess it will just stop working.

If that happens, I think you can simply change the date to a date before
May 31st 2001 and the program should be able to function again.


Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card

Satan @ 5/16/2001 9:12:04 AM #
The following was recently posted to another message board by "Jimbo", but may be of use to several people here. As always, the files can be downloaded from the Files section of the CLIE users group on Yahoo Groups.

I've been playing around with some other Sony Clie programs since last night and have put together a bunch of tips/instructions for making your SD/MMC cards work much much better.

Using this method...

1) Your applications will now show in ANY launcher including LauncherIII, LaunchEm, SilverScreen Chromacast etc.... No need to wait for an update to your favorite launcher.

2) Ever notice how every time you switch to the Expansion Card you have a long wait time while it reads the card. Using this method and a third party launcher...problem eliminated...switch launcher screens as fast as you can tap :)

3) You can now keep your SD/MMC applications in Categories just like your programs in main Ram. AND...they remember their categories, I tried this with many launchers last night. No more big long messy list of apps.

4) Notice how the PhotoSuite app takes forever to launch because it's scanning the card for your Pics & Videos. Setup PhotoSuite like I'll explain below and you can launch and flip through your Pics much faster!

But wait...that's not all, Act right now and....Ok I got a bit carried away BUT this works great and I've had ZERO crashes after hours of testing all while running 7 hacks too. ;)

Links to the programs you need are at the end of this post BTW.

First you have 2 options. You can use PowerRun .30 or PowerRun .46. Version .30 allows you to put your applications on the SD card. Version .46 puts your applications & databases on the card. It's your choice as to which version you want to use. PowerRun .30 is a bit quicker when exiting your applications but PowerRun .46 automatically moves around and updates your databases too. If you're wondering, I'm using version .46.

Step 1

-If you're using PowerRun .30 you need to use McFile and make a directory on your SD/MMC card with the path "/Palm/Programs/Msfiles"

-If you're using PowerRun .46 you don't need to make a directory...version .46 will make it's own.

Step 2
- for PowerRun .30 users - Use McFile and move your programs to the "/Palm/Programs/Msfiles" directory you created in Step 1. When you finish moving your programs, exit McFile and run PowerRun .30. Refresh the list and it will scan that directory. When you now exit PowerRun .30 you'll see all the programs you moved in your "UnFiled" category. Notice the little label on the corner of the icon? You'll also see an asterisk at the end of the name. You can now file these in the Categories you want them in. If you're using a 3rd party launcher even better; you'll never have to flip through that "Expansion Card" category again. Any time you add applications to the "/Palm/Programs/Msfiles" directory you need to run PowerRun .30 and REFRESH the list. Don't worry, the categories you already set will still be there.

- for PowerRun .46 users - With this version if you already have the application on the SD/MMC card then you MUST move it into the Palm RAM first. When you are ready you can run PowerRun .46 and it will Automatically create the needed directory on your SD card. You then switch to the Palm RAM listing using the drop down box in the upper-right corner. Highlight what you want to put on the SD card and press "Move". PowerRun .46 will automatically move the application and ALL of it's Databases to the SD card. For example I highlighted the game "Solaski" and pressed "Move", PowerRun .46 then moved the main Solaski application AND it's database into the SD card.
Once you are done moving your applications you can exit out of PowerRun .46 and use your favorite launcher.
You'll see all the programs you moved in your "UnFiled" category. Notice the little label on the corner of the icon? You'll also see an asterisk at the end of the name. You can now file these in the Categories you want them in and they'll stay there. Anytime you want to add a new application just open up PowerRun .46 and Move it; go back to your launcher and your new app will be there.

Where PowerRun .46 differs from version .30 is that it also moves the databases associated with the application/game in and out of the Palm's RAM automatically. For example... I launch a game by tapping on the icon in my favorite launcher, The game and all of it's databases are automatically moved into the Palm's RAM. When I exit the game PowerRun .46 automatically writes back any databases that have been modified and deletes the program and unmodified databases from RAM. No need to write stuff back that hasn't changed right :)

This all happens very quickly and after having used this on many programs since yesterday I can tell you that apps launch faster than with the built in OS4 method.

**Just like with the default OS4 method you need to have open RAM to run the can use an excellent program called PopUp Time to check your RAM levels. As long as you have a meg or so free you should be fine.
Speed up trick for PhotoSuite
- Read my other thread on using MsMount which I linked to below

- Use McFile to move all your Pictures/Videos to the mounted directory THEN disable and re-enable MsMount from the Prefs screen. This will refresh the mounted directory. This needs to be done anytime you add or delete something from your mounted directory.

-Put PhotoSuite on the SD card using whichever version of PowerRun you decided to use.

-Go to your launcher and start PhotoSuite. All your pictures and videos will appear much faster, you can flip through them faster and big Picture/videos will be cached into RAM as needed automatically by MSmount. This method has made Photosuite very usable. Up until using this method I was ready to delete the thing off my m505 because it was so painfully slow ;)


This is very easy to setup. Above all, if you use the PowerRun 46 method you can put your games and apps on the card like you expected to when Palm announced the m50x series. It all works seamlessly once you set it up. You'll still want to use MsMount for the really big databases like dictionaries and med books though. The best part is you can use all of this together or just enable MsMount when you need to run something in the mounted directory.


McFile is used for file housekeeping if needed. PowerRun is something you only run when you install new software to your expansion card. I usually leave MsMount disabled unless I want to use something in the mounted directory I setup which in my case is PhotoSuite pictures and Isilo documents. When I'm done with those apps I just flip over to the Palms Prefs and disable msMount. You can leave it enabled but it's so simple to start it back up I just leave in disabled until needed because it's still in beta stage. I haven't had any crashes though.


PowerRun has been in beta since last year and the author puts out a new version before the last expires. I believe it expires to keep people using the newer version until it's final.

If you are using PowerRun .30 then you use McFile to move the apps. If you're using PowerRun .46 you MUST use PowerRun to move the apps.

With version .30 you could open McFile and just move all your *.prc files into /PALM/Programs/Msfiles and then launch PowerRun .30 and everything would be fine. That's becuase version .30 doesn't handle all the associated databases with the app...those just stay in your main RAM. To take advantage of version .46's ability to get those big databases out of your main RAM you MUST use PowerRun .46 itself to move the apps.


If you don't have any large databases then you don't need to run MsMount.

Yes, the default launcher performs about the same BUT..
1) Launcher III is much faster at switching pages even on a stock Palm and Silverscreen in blindingly fast.
2) You don't get the benefits of all the gadgets on third party launchers.


RE: Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/18/2001 10:55:22 AM #
Anybody know where to download PowerRun .46 other than Yahoo? I made application to the group days ago but have not yet been approved.

RE: Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/18/2001 12:58:51 PM #
Try signing up again at

You should have been "approved" instantly.

RE: Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/20/2001 9:04:04 AM #
Could someone help me with PowerRun on a M505?. I tried to install it (version 0.3 and 0.46), but both of them caused a fatal error on my M505.

RE: Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/21/2001 1:14:51 PM #
Okay, Ive got this app running and it works great. My question is what happens if I remove my SD card now after PowerRun has created the links to these apps? I haven't got the guts to be the first to try it. Has anyone already done so? If so what was the outcome?

RE: Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 11:06:19 AM #
Sorry for the above typo error.
I've tried removing the SD card.
If you try running the linked Apps, a message just pops up stating that the card is not loaded.
However, running Power Run without the card causes the Palm to crash. A soft reset would suffice.

RE: Using Power RUN to access programs on the SD/MMC card
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2001 11:10:45 AM #
All Versions of Power Run are "Beta expired" and can only move files from Card to Palm Unit.

Does anyone know how to overcome that as it seems quite a few people on this forum are using Power Run with full capabilities on beta versions. I tried changing the date of course up and down, but to no avail.
Been e mailing the developper and got no answer.
Thank you
Rene Flipo

MSMount only works if no Doc .pdb's present!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/17/2001 6:18:33 PM #
MSMount only seems to work for me if I

use 1. /Palm/Launcher directory
and 2. have only .prc apps and non-Doc .pdb's in there. if I have a .pdb in there that is a Doc file it doesn't read the files in properly, and perhaps only one app will show up in my launcher.

I haven't tried this yet, but perhaps iSilo .pdbs will be fine to have in there because they aren't real Doc files.

Location of SD/MMC files on the web

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/20/2001 8:34:01 AM #
PowerRun 30-
PowerRun 46- same as above with id=156

Enjoy :) Chromosome

RE: Location of SD/MMC files on the web
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 2:59:19 PM #
I tried to download Powerrun but the version downloaded using the link is out of date.. and I'm still waiting to get the entry to the clié user group

Any new link?

Run ALL docs seamlessly on SD/MMC

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/20/2001 3:44:38 PM #
My i-silo, jfile, & teal docs just don't run satisfactorily on the MMC. Here's a solution (I'm trying it now). A converter add-on for Microsoft Word 97/2000 exists as freeware called "Word to Doc Converter 2" @ that will allow you to convert all your palm reader type docs to Word files and back. You can convert any of these to Word, then to .doc and read them with "Mereader", a neat little reader that looks like it was developed for the Clie. It works properly, reading out of the MMC and LEAVING the files in it. I'm installing WDC2 now and I'll let you know how it works. Good luck--Chromosome

RE: Run ALL docs seamlessly on SD/MMC
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/20/2001 4:19:11 PM #
Whoops, the correct name for the reader is Sorry :(

RE: Run ALL docs seamlessly on SD/MMC
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/20/2001 4:20:35 PM #
Yikes! They took out the name! It's: crs medoc (version 2.52)

MSMount fried my SD card!!! Help!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/21/2001 10:13:23 PM #
I installed MSMount as per the instructions on this thread. As soon as I enabled MSMount in the Preferences app and tried to go back to the launcher (I still had SilverScreen installed) my Palm crashed. After a hard reset, my SD card isn't recognized. When using CardInfo my palm says "no Card inserted" and then in the box below "No VFS Library Present" I tried to use the format card option but I get another message saying "No Card Inserted". What do I do now?

RE: MSMount fried my SD card!!! Help!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 10:36:43 PM #
I also had that problem, and I found it is silver screen problem..
you can try reset the 505 when it still in the cradle, work for me

RE: MSMount fried my SD card!!! Help!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 10:51:06 PM #
Silver Screen has a hard time when applications are deleted outside of itself, and automatically loses its mind. Use McFile to find SilverScreen DB and delete it whenever you switch outside the program. The SD Card thing happended to me too, but I just took it out and re-inserted it and everything worked fine.

RE: MSMount fried my SD card!!! Help!
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/20/2001 2:36:08 AM #
I had the same error after installing some shareware. After a hard reset it would come up with a error dialogue box and prompted for another reset. Holding the up button while resetting allowed me to bypass that loop but then got the "No VFS Library Present" error in card info (and couldnt access the card).
I deleted silverscreen and still had the same problem, so then removed the other software which was SimCity and WorldTime. After they were removed and did a hard reset everything was fine.


I.M. Anonymous @ 6/3/2001 8:37:08 AM #
I do appreciate all the help this forum supplies. I am having a problem running the very large PDR program (from Franklin) from the SD card on the 505m . This program is over 6meg large and takes up most of the handheld memory if left on the handheld. I have tried MSMount and Ms file (so I can store it in the SD card),, but am still having a problem. Powerrun takes way too long to transfer this large book back to handheld RAM. Any help (preferrably detailed!), would be most appreciated


I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 7:48:39 PM #
I can't seem to get this to work despite reading all the followup TWICE!
I am trying to get iSilo (full version) to work on the SD card...actually it works automatically with the palm OS 4 reading the pdb file from the main memory. Obviously this is not the point. I would like to put the pdb files on the SD card and read them from there.The question is how do I do this. 1. Install McFile and MSMount OK
transfer a pdb file from the maim memory to the SD card. I choice to put it in /PALM/Launcher. ( lets call the file DKA.pdb.) Go back to preferences and MSMount and type in the path:

/PALM/Launcher/DKA.pdb sleect enable and click the two boxes


Can anyone help???PLEEEASE

RE: MSMount/McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/18/2001 4:17:33 PM #
I couldn't make iSilo work either with MSMount ver. 0.75.

Download the latest ver. 0.77 and reinstall as per previous instructions. Disable MSMount before transferring the iSilo files to the SD/MMC card. Then enable MSMount with the correct path (make sure there is a "/" at the end) and the files should show up in iSilo. My categories were even maintained.


RE: MSMount/McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/18/2001 8:32:58 PM #
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

Version 0.75 of MSMount did not work with iSilo but version 0.77 works great


RE: MSMount/McFile
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2001 2:20:00 AM #
I have another one for any expert on MS Mount.

Recently I read about MS Mount and McFile, downloaded them, installed them on the m505 and applied them as directed. When used with TomeRaider my Palm crashes each time I scroll or search the complete TomeRaider version of the Internet Movie Database, which is a single 13 MB file on an SD 16 MB card. I can see a list of the first 11 movie titles just fine. I can open any of these titles without trouble. Every attempt to scroll down more than a few pages to other titles and every attempt to search for info causes the system to crash and must be reset. The version of MS Mount is v.0.8.0 and McFile v 1.12. Any ideas on a way
to avoid these crashes?


Mapopolis 2.0

skytraveler @ 6/9/2001 8:30:03 PM #
I wasn't able to get Mapopolis 2.0 to work with MS Mount. I kept crashing on me. Has anyone been able to get this to work. If so, let me know. Thanks.

The SkyTraveler

RE: Mapopolis 2.0
JStraub @ 10/1/2002 3:07:38 AM #
Are you having a problem loading the maps on to the card or accessing them via Mapopolis? If it is the latter, the following may help:

Can I run Mapopolis and my maps from my expansion card?
Before displaying a map on an expansion card, Mapopolis transfers the map to RAM. There must be sufficient free RAM on the device to hold the map. The purpose of this is to make displaying and searching the map as fast as possible. The time required to access the map on an expansion card is far greater than the time required to access the map in RAM. If Mapopolis tried to display a map directly from the expansion card it would take an unacceptable length of time.

Why can't I find Mapopolis and my maps on my card?
For Palm devices, Mapopolis looks in the directory palm\programs\mapopolis on the card for maps. However by going to Settings, and checking the option Search Whole Card For Maps, Mapopolis will look everywhere on the card for maps?

If it is something else, are you receiving a specific error message, etc?


Jeremy Straub
Mapopolis.Com, Inc.

Will AutoCard be the answer to the m505's biggest problem?

Satan @ 6/16/2001 8:12:42 AM #
HandEra is expected to be finally releasing a version of their AutoCF program that will work with the VFS aware models from Palm (m500/505) and Sony's CLIE line.

If you have an m500/505 or CLIE and are confused by how to use MSMount, PowerRUN and McFile, I'd suggest you contact HandEra and let them know that you are VERY interested in getting a copy of AutoCard as soon as possible.

Consumer Sales:
(515) 252-7522 ext. 537

Technical/Customer Support:
(515) 252-7522 ext. 513

If AutoCard works as well as AutoCF currently does in the TRGPro, it will turn these PDAs into far more useful devices than they now are.

RE: Will AutoCard be the answer to the m505's biggest problem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/16/2001 10:20:39 AM #
If Handera gets this program out soon, they'll probably make more from AutoCard than they will from selling their PDA!

RE: Will AutoCard be the answer to the m505's biggest problem?
Satan @ 8/4/2001 2:18:17 PM #
Still no word on when/if HandEra will put out AutoCard for the CLIE and m505. But it now looks like by the time they do get it out, MSMount and Launcher III 2.3b3 will have become entrenched in the market. It's too bad - AutoCard might have become one of the best selling Palm programs if they had only spent the resources to develop it.

If HandEra is serious about making PDAs they should license the CLIE N710C screen from Sony and release a model with this screen, in a small package with CompactFlash support. They'd probably double their market share overnight. (My clinic and several others I know plan to switch to using color CLIEs because of the readability of high resolution black text on a true white screen.) If you want to see a color TRGPro-type PDA, let HandEra know now before it's too late.

RE: Will AutoCard be the answer to the m505's biggest problem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/2/2001 5:08:59 PM #
Benc has released Launcher III 3.0 and will soon be releasing a high resolution version of it as well. With MSMount (feeware), PiDirectVFS (shareware), PowerRUN (shareware) and Launcher III (shareware) now available, it looks like HandEra have missed their chance to sell what should have been a great piece of software. Why did they wait so long?

Strange error message from McFile

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/17/2001 11:37:37 PM #
I have installed both McFile and MSMount on my m505. MSMount seems to work as expected. However, whenever I try to use McFile to move or copy files from Palm to my 64M MultiMedia card or vice versa, I will get the following error message on the screen:

A file can't be put up on the route directory by the regulation of API related to the MemoryStick.

What does this message mean? I have searched through the Web trying to find if others also have encountered this problem, but to no avail.

BTW BackupBuddyVFS works fine on my machine. I can copy files between the main memory and the backup directory on the card with no problem at all.

Could anyone who knows what is going on comment on this.

Joseph Kam

Could someone explain?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/4/2001 10:07:07 AM #
Hi, Had I read Satan's post about "only advanced users should try this" I'd probably not have given it a go. I've only had my first Palm (m505) for about two weeks. I've been lurking in forums :-) and my SD card arrived yesterday so I decided to give the MS Mount/McFile install a try. It basically went well, just one or two fatal errors (I think it was due to my own experimentation) and no hard reset necessary.

I was pleasently surprised to find that the programs showed up in the "Silver Screen" menu and I could place them back into their respective categories (the ones I moved to the card ended up in unfiled) --not at first I don't think, but after one or the other errors. I was under the impression that I'd have to access the card to run the programs but it doesn't seem that way.

However, I'm just curious in that I've placed the cart before the horse I guess and don't know what would have happened had I attempted to copy the programs to the card without Ms Mount and McFile.

Just being curious I wondered if someone with the time or inclination might tell me that and if it is correct that the programs don't seem to have to be accessed directly from the card (in the drop-down menu).

Sorry for this lengthy post. If not the time or inclination I thank you all anyway for sharing in your previous posts.

Thanks again,

Susan :-)

RE: Could someone explain?
Satan @ 8/4/2001 1:46:06 PM #
MSMount is actually very easy to use, however, I'd suggest you avoid using Silver Screen as your launcher.

If you want another solution that may be simpler for you, try running Launcher III 2.3b3 as your default launcher. It will give you easy access to files stored on the SD/MMC card. See my reply below to for where to download this excellent freeware program.

MSMOUNT after hotsync

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/4/2001 12:07:04 AM #
Does anyone know if there is a way to prevent my files or apps that i have under groups to default to unfiled after a hotsync? MSMOUNT is the utility I've been looking for to use with my 64mg SD card, but after every Hotsync my apps are needing to be organized again. Thanks for any tips in advance.

RE: MSMOUNT after hotsync
Satan @ 8/4/2001 1:15:10 PM #
Are you using Launcher III 2.3b3? You can get it from the files section of both of these user groups:

RE: MSMOUNT after hotsync
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2001 12:03:47 AM #
No, I am using the default Palm launcher with mcfile and msmount.

'MSMount' option in pull down menu

I.M. Anonymous @ 10/9/2001 11:24:25 AM #
I have followed Satan's instructions for MSMOUNT and McFile, but I get stuck at step 5. When I open the Pref's application (icon below the home icon in the writing area), there is no pull down menu at the upper right corner of the screen. All I have is (Prefs Tools Backup). I can see MSDW.prc and MSMount on the Palm when I use McFile and all the files I moved to the SD in the correct directories, I just can't seem to have them show up as a program on the SD card (I can only see them using McFile). Can anyone help?

RE: 'MSMount' option in pull down menu
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/2/2001 5:14:20 PM #
> "I have followed Satan's instructions ..."

Looks like you'll soon be going to H E L L then. Was it worth it? All over a lousy PDA?



I.M. Anonymous @ 6/13/2002 2:42:23 AM #
If you can't see the files when moving datafiles or apps to the SD card try going to the pref's and diable msmount and then enable it again. this seems to bring up the files. i seem to have to do this everytime I put a new app or file on the card.


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