Comments on: Sony Clié N710C appearing in retail stores

A few readers have wrote in to report that the new Sony Clié N710C is now in stock and available for purchase at some Fry's Electronics stores for $499.99.

The N710 features a front lighted, reflective TFT color screen at 320x320 resolution and a Jog Dial. It has 8 MB of memory and comes with an 8 MB Memory Stick. The 710 also has support for mp3 digital audio and comes with headphones and an audio remote control.

Should anyone spot a new Clié at a retail location, please post it here.

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mikecane @ 5/26/2001 2:05:40 PM #
nXt got one of the first. He posted a report at --

See additional posts at --

Sorry again to draw everyone away from PIC. But that's where the stuff is. No CLIE at the NYC SonyStyle store last Tuesday. ^%$#@!

RE: nXt!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 4:11:54 PM #
link doesn't work

RE: nXt!
mikecane @ 5/27/2001 1:22:27 PM #
Yahoo/GeoCities deleted his site for some obscure fascist-like reason. The new links are:


RE: nXt!
mikecane @ 5/27/2001 1:28:04 PM #
Hmmm... even though I just got those in email from nXt himself, they don't seem to work, either! Well, check the PalmBlvd CLIE board for his latest links, if any.

RE: nXt!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 10:35:57 PM #
The links *do* work, but I had to hit the reload button a couple of times before I got them. It seems that NBCi has some sort of serious bandwidth problem.


RE: nXt!
mikecane @ 5/28/2001 4:18:51 PM #
nXt had to move his site again. Now it's at:

RE: nXt! Available CLIEs in Best Buy
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 8:54:19 PM #
Just got back from the Best Buy store in West Des Moines, Iowa. 9 (nine) CLIE N710C in only eight left....

new n710c being talked about

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 4:13:41 PM #
I saw it here first, it seems to be a new bulletin board.

RE: battery life
Cheetah @ 5/28/2001 1:40:04 AM #
interesting charts. Shows 505 with and without backlight on vs. PPC in a battery test.

505 with backlight on has similiar battery life then the other PPC. But without backlight, the 505 has over TWICE the battery life.

This is exactly the point! 505 does not need backlight on all the time (not in direct sunlight and in good indoor light) therefore the battery life is much better then PPC in the practical world.

I love my 505 and only use backlight when in poor lighting. In the office the screen is fine without the backlight.

I would also say that the 505 with the backlight on in a dark room (e.g. movie theater) is 1000% better then the reverse backlight of the Palm Vx.

Clie N710C availability

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 5:11:04 PM #
As of 05/26 1:10 PM

Sunnyvale -- Out (confirmed by sale person)
Palo Alto -- Out (confirmed by sale person)
San Jose -- around 6 in the shelf (they have 12 in stock originally)

RE: Clie N710C availability
CarlJ @ 5/26/2001 9:52:09 PM #
As of 05/26 around noon, San Diego Frys:

I believe there were four in stock when I first walked past the shelf to go look at the demo model; when I came back to pick up a box there were three left (including the one I took), then when I walked past 30 minutes later before getting in the checkout line, the shelf was bare :-)

RE: Clie N710C availability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 5:42:53 AM #
The Fremont Fry's is also carrying them, however when you call them and ask to see if they are in stock they won't know what you are talking about. Try giving them the item number: 3011669 they can look it up in their computers that way.

They do have it on display for those who want to compare the m505 screen and the Clie screen. I must admit, I've been playing with mine for several hours and it rocks. :)

Great Photos

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 7:27:01 PM #
Check these out!!

These are comparing the IPAQ, CLIE, and Palm m505

Clie is 2x thickness of m505.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 8:23:27 PM #
RE: Great Photos
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:08:56 AM #
The Clie is twice as thick as the m505, but it's not as wide. It actually fits in the typical jeans pocket BETTER.

RE: Great Photos
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 12:44:57 PM #
Its thinker, yes, but not TWICE as think! The clie is thinner then two m505 stacked on each other.
m505 .5" Clie .66" [505 x 2 = 1 INCH]

RE: Clie is 2x thickness of m505.
CarlJ @ 5/29/2001 6:54:04 PM #
The Clie is 5/8 inch thick, the m505 is 1/2 inch. That's a difference of 1/8 inch, or 25 PERCENT, not "twice as thick". The m505 is also about 1/8 inch shorter, and 3/8 inch WIDER than the Clie.

I pre-ordered the m505 (the night before they were announced); I cancelled when they started showing up in the stores and I saw first-hand how dim the screen was. I went to see the new Clie on Saturday, not intending to buy it, just to look... and ended up plunking down my money and taking one home (this, after comparing the "floor model" extensively against the m505 sitting next to it; I had a friend with me, she wanted to know where the brightness control was on the m505).

The Clie is smaller than my old Palm IIIx (a teensy bit shorter, 3/8 inch narrower, the same thickness), and has by far the best screen ever seen on a PalmOS handheld. I'm running with the backlight at about 25 percent -- at 100 percent, you could use it as a flashlight. At 320x320, the screen is simply breathtaking, and at 160x160, there is _no_ trace of the dreaded "black grid".

If the m505 had the Clie's backlight (I'm not talking about the hi-res screen, mind you, just the bright, adjustable, backlight), I would have gotten the m505 instead (weeks ago) -- I *like* the m505, it's sleek and sexy, and will no doubt be more widely supported. But, to me, the whole point of color is to make the information on the screen easier to read, and I found the m505's dim screen to be an impediment, not a benefit.

Folks, it's time to stop all the bickering; wait until you have a chance to compare the Clie and m505 side-by-side in a store somewhere, and *then* decide which is best for *you*.

RE: Great Photos
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 1:04:56 AM #
If we bicker the only one who wins is Bill Gates.

The new Sony

Edd @ 5/26/2001 8:05:14 PM #
Hi, I just went to Fry's in Manhattan Beach to see the new color Clie and when we were there, we beamed the Photosuite and some pictures from our M505 just so we can compare them side by side. The resolution on the new Sony is awesome, not only the fonts look smoother on the Sony but also the pictures. There are no jagged edges on the fonts (not that I can see). The only thing is Sony can only display 256 colors and the Palm has more (16 bits).

When comparing side by side you can clearly see the Palm has more richer color display (but dimmer). Supposedly, the Japanese version of the Clie has more features than the one imported here. :(

Hey Edd,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 8:54:11 PM #
quote from Edd: "Supposedly, the Japanese version of the Clie has more features than the one imported here. :("

What features are you talking about?

RE: The new Sony
Edd @ 5/26/2001 9:31:27 PM #
According to this Sony website in Japan You're supposed to be able to download and watch TV on your Clie. I didn't see that mention anywhere on the USA box at Fry's.

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 9:36:29 PM #
Go to and download the app that Sony is packaging with it's Japanese CLIE. Get the Palm movie player and their movie maker. If you already have a TV-tuner card and WinVCR or something like that, you should be able to do it. Of course, you could just go buy this VAIO desktop from Sony specifically designed to record television programs instead of using your own TV-tuner card and WinVCR:

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 9:41:40 PM #
Here ya' link:

RE: The new Sony
Edd @ 5/26/2001 9:49:40 PM #
Thanks. Now let me go return my M505 :) while it still within 14 days return period at Staples.

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 9:59:30 PM #
Remember, to have the Japanese have with their CLIE's, you'll have to have a large harddrive to capture a 1-hour long TV show or a really big one to capture a 2-hour long movie, then you'll have to have a much higher capacity Memory Stick than the 8MB one that comes with the CLIE. The 64MB Memory Stick goes for around $100 on eBay and the newer 128MB Memory Sticks go for around $200. These prices will come down eventually but as you can see it is going to be an expensive proposition to make the CLIE a portable movie player, which is EXACTLY what I plan to use mine for :)

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 10:26:24 PM #
Try this out !!!

Using a program called HRCapt (DA Program)
located at:
(it's in japanese),
I made several screen captures of my N710C Clie in various modes and pictures.
THe program captures Hi resolution as well as low, i've posted the pictures at:

and yes, this IS a REAL screen capture from n710c

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 10:44:38 PM #
Can't get your page up

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 10:44:38 PM #
Can't get your page up

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:10:31 AM #
Also, the nipponese clie doesn't play MP3. The American one does.

Edd @ 5/27/2001 11:56:46 AM #
Hmm.. I thought it does according to this page:

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:23:55 PM #
I realize the Sony has Mp3, Attrac, etc. play back; however, will these movies be encoded with sound via gMovie Maker and can they be played back with sound on gMovie Player?

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:25:44 PM #
One other question, how big would say an hour long show encoded in MPEG-1 wind up. In other words, how much could you fit on a 128 meg memory stick?

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:44:45 PM #
I saw the new Sony at a local Fry's and was impressed. The size and weight between the 505 and the N710c were comparable, one's a little wider, the other a little thicker. The screen was obviously sharper on the Sony, but when comparing the color, the Palm was actually richer. I was surprised. The brightness is great on the Clie, but the colors look washed out. Is there any way of increasing the contrast?

RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 9:00:01 PM #

RE: 1-hr mpeg
vgz @ 5/28/2001 1:12:37 AM #
>>One other question, how big would say an hour long show encoded in MPEG-1 wind up. In other words, how much could you fit on a 128 meg memory stick?

It would depend on the frame rate but I have several mpeg files and a 50minute 17 sec mpeg is 489.6 MB. Good luck getting that on a memorystick.


RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 3:07:02 PM #
The Japanese 700 plays ONLY ATRAC3 format on white copy-protection memory sticks.

The American 710 plays ATRAC3 (bleah!) or MP3, and it can store MP3s on the cheaper, non-encrypted blue sticks.

Matt...gMovie Maker converts PC video files to gMovie format
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 7:49:34 PM #
with sound. The gMovie Maker reformats the video to 320x320 resolution. A decent quality picture at a decent frame rate will get you about 1 minute of video with sound for every 1MB on the MS. Thus, a 128MB MS will let you watch a 2-hour movie.

RE: The new Sony
eipangan @ 5/28/2001 9:27:04 PM #
Starting June 18, users of the Japanese model can now download MediaPlayer 2.0, which can play MP3 off the blue stick. The download is priced at 2,000 yen but is on sale for the first few months - 1,500 yen.

Screenshots? Bah!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 6:54:51 PM #
Ummm... You could put a bullet through the front of the Clie and the screenshots would look the same. Those do not show what the Clie's display does, it shows us what our computer moniors do.

M505 crashed, gonna try Sony
Roy @ 6/6/2001 2:12:16 PM #
M505 decided it will not hotsynch anymore. palms going to send a new one, but for the 2 days I have without my Palm, I will cheat and try the Sony. Going to Circuit City tonight, if they have one, will try it out for a day or so. Then I will return it if I don't loke it. Question is....will I like it? Will I finally ditch my M505? It's actually kind of nice, getting used to the screen. Hmmmm

I hope Circuit City will take it back if I don't like it.

Any thoughts?

RE: The new Sony
BillW @ 6/6/2001 2:25:33 PM #
My 505 also refused to sync last Wednesday night. I had to send it to Palm on Thursday. I bought the Sony Sunday. I got a new 505 back yesterday and will sell it.

Sony Pros:
- Brighter screen and better fonts - not as good as I thought based on what I have read but it is better. (at least to my 44 yr old eyes)I can read it without reading glasses - a big plus.
- bigger but not too big- narrower and shorter than a IIIc. Only slightly taller than the 505 but narrower. It is almost as thick as the IIIc. (the exact diminsions did not matter to me if it fits in my pocket). After carrying it around in my pocket for three days, I can live with it.
- slightly slower than a 505 - don't know why
- built in screen display items are dimmer than 505 - like lines on calendar but entries with larger fonts are easier to read.
- Wordsmith, almost unreadable to me without reading glasses on the 505, is fine on the Sony without reading glasses.
- cradle fit is nicer - at least it does not sound like you are breaking something when you take it on and off like the 505.
- can play MP3s even on the older memory sticks. I bought a 64meg stick yesterday and it works fine. Apparently you only need the MagicGate sticks if you create the MP3s with the Sony software. I did not think I would like that, but its fun to play with. A big plus is that you can use the audio software to move large files directly from the computer to the memory stick using transfer mode. Open audio software, select transfer and the stick appears as a drive in Explorer. This is a super nice feature. You need it for MP3s, but its nice for large data files too.
- Cost is more but equivalent when you consider the 8meg stick included and the fact that the Sony power cable can be detached from the cradle and used as a travel charger - a good idea for all Palm type computers (plus earphones and remote).
- Some accessories from b&w Sony fit the Color model - for example it uses the same travel kit that I bought at Compusa yesterday - a travel charger and cable without cradle.
- I can see it better in dim light and the typical office.

505 Pros:
Feels like better quality construction but mine broke at 19 days old.
More accessories.

So far the programs that work with the SD card also work with the memory stick (except PhotoSuite which probably will but I have not figured it out yet).

If the screens were the same, the 505 wins no question. Since the Sony has the better screen, I will take it for the time being.


RE: The new Sony
Roy @ 6/7/2001 12:24:28 PM #
Got the CLIE. Well, it's good, I agree with just about all your comments. The unit does not seem as robust as the Palm M505, but the screen is incredible. Not sure, but I have had the M505 for almost a month, and never scratched the screen. I already scratched the Graffiti are on the CLIE. Writing on CLIE does not seem as smooth as on the M505. I guess the M505 has a glass screen, and the CLIE has a plastic screen. Maybe that is why is scratches easily. But, too early to tell which I will ultimately choose, going to give it a few more days. Oh, I hate the cradle of the CLIE too. I am used to writing directly on the screen (use Bugme alot) while the M505 is in the cradle. Not the case for the CLIE.

Still too early to tell. The screen is clearly the winner here as far as resolution, displaying photos. The mp3 player is nice, although I probably will not use it. Concerned about the form factor, availability of a keyboard, Multimail working on this thing as well as other concerns.


RE: The new Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/13/2001 7:53:04 PM #
I saw it on Best Buys today. The screen on the clie its AWSOME!!! Its almost like watching a miniature digital tv screen!!!

I saw the music video with sound, well, its not that great, but for a small device is definately a step up, way up. This device made me think that my m505 was a mistake. Nothing I can do about that, burned all my money.

I like everything about this device over the m505.

Clie is big!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 10:48:55 PM #
Holy cow! That thing is a monster! I though it would be closer to the palm m505, but it's beast! Be prepared to have a heavy, metal object (basically an iPaq in size) in your pocket if you get one of these. Screen is ok though, but not as vivid as described.

RE: Clie is big!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:42:04 AM #
What do you base your comments about screen quality on??

RE: Clie is big!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:11:19 AM #
Nope. It's nowhere near as big as an iPaq.

It's thicker than an m505, but not as thick as a Visor Prism. And because of the reduced width, it's very pocketable.

RE: Clie is big!
TvM @ 5/27/2001 8:06:49 PM #
It is plastic

RE: Clie is big!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:06:40 PM #
It's NOT plastic!! It's metal... at least the front is, not sure about the back. You people should stop makig all these statements if you don't have anything to back it up.

RE: Clie is big!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 2:28:59 AM #
Yes, stop those crap comments without proof! I own a Clie N700C, and having it put side by side with the iPaq, the size difference is great! Whoever says that they are the same, basically, you have neither seen both devices, or maybe never even seen them before!

Yes, its thicker than the 505, but its way thinner than Prism. Its in between. With the case on, m505 will be as thick as the Clie (with the flip cover on)

ON the other hand, the Clie is narrower, so it appears smaller, and it is thus very pocketable (in the pants pocket, not the shirt)


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2001 11:12:35 PM #
how do i do a hard reset on my new clie ?

RE: reseting
Shane @ 5/27/2001 6:05:57 AM #
Your Clie come with a book called Instructions. If you turn to the first few pages you will find the Contents. If you look for resetting in there and turn to the right page it will explain how to do it.

RE: reseting
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:43:10 AM #
LOL!! The questions some people ask! Hmm..2-10 hrs to get a reply to a post, vs 4 mins to look it up in the manual......decisions, decisions....

Here are the Links

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 12:27:29 AM #
This is nXt btw, Mike Cane earlier posted some of my websites, unfortunately Geocities killed my account because I had some files!
The new pages are at the following

Mini Review:

Screen Captures: <-- Must See

Digital Camera Pictures:

RE: Here are the Links
mikecane @ 5/27/2001 1:31:37 PM #
Thanks, nXt! I should have read the board completely before I posted the other links above. These new ones seem to work.

RE: Here are the Links
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 10:11:40 PM #
Thanks so much nXt for the screen capture pics. I was hoping that somewhere on the net would be some screen captures. Please add more when you have time.

I see you enlarged a 160x160 pic to the size of the 320x320 pic for comparison, but can you do it the other way around please? Reduce the hi res to the same size as low res so they can be compared that way too.

Thanks again! Good work.

RE: Here are the Links
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 3:56:23 AM #
When enlarging the 160x160 screenshots in Photoshop, you should use Nearest Neighbor interpolation instead of Bicubic. This will accurately represent pixel-doubling.


Cheetah @ 5/27/2001 6:22:01 AM #
Hmmmm...more vibrant screen (although not 16bit), BUT much thicker, longer, and heavier!

That's the point of the 505. It has color yet retains it's small size and good battery life.

I've used my 505 for two weeks now and love it.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 6:50:36 AM #
I agree about the size. Much as I tried to like the iPaq, the size issue was a killer for me. I use my m505 alot and just could not see carrying an iPaq like device around all day.

It may be fine for those who carry it from desk to meeting, to desk and home. But as a sales professional who lives with it - no way. People forget that is what Palm had in mind when it balanced the features of the device.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:47:08 AM #
It may be thicker, but many new owners have said it fits the hand better than the 505

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:12:40 AM #
Check it out before you write it off as bulky. The size is actually very good in actual use.

RE: Size!
Edd @ 5/27/2001 12:02:06 PM #
It fits comfortably in my hand and it slightly narrower than my M505 (so that you can use your thumb to operate the jog dial). Then new jog dial now has the back button (the monochrome one didn't have that) and it comes with PowerJog.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 12:50:20 PM #
I have used it, and IT IS BIGGER, period. It is twice and thick, grab a ruler and check, I did. Yes it is slightly less in width, but does not make up for the depth. My PalmV was in a titanium hard case and I had it in my front pocket always, in the hard case it was still thinner than the clie, now I have the m505, and size wise it win hands down. Nothing fits in my pocket better.

Just my opinion. To each his own.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 12:58:42 PM #
what is the point of carrying it around and the screen is annoying to look at?

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 1:23:06 PM #

Hee hee hee

I love how we always get of the subject ,turn things around and make it us against them .LOL =)This makes me laugh alot.

Very antertaining .


RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 1:25:01 PM #
What is the point of having a beautiful screen to look at if you never carry it around with you because it is too bulky?

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 1:52:29 PM #
hahahah, palm company is dying and their customers are trashing each other products, PPC won heheheheeh I like it

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 2:27:24 PM #
The CLIE's thickness is .03" thinner than the very portable visor deluxe form factor. The CLIE is not a brick. You people are a bunch of whinning, anorexic wimps!!

Hey, two 3x5 cards would really dissapear in your pants pocket. Just carry a few of those around and quit whining.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 7:39:28 PM #
Clie thickness is 1.68 in, width is 7.1 in
M505 thickness is 1.27 in, width is 7.874 in

And when you are holding a PDA, the important parameters are the width and height (where width is more important than height). Simple math for calulcating the length to fit into your palm

width for Clie is 7.1 in
width for M505 is 7.874 in
The difference is 0.774 in (Clie win)

thickness for Clie is 1.68 in
thickness for M505 is 1.27 in
The difference is .41 in (M505 win)

width + 2 * thickness for Clie is 10.46 in
width + 2 * thickness for M505 is 10.414 in

The difference is 0.046 in (M505 win).

If you calculate the perimeter

2*width + 2 * thickness for Clie is 17.56 in
2*width + 2 * thickness for M505 is 18.288 in

The difference is 0.728 in (Clie win).

Of course, volume wise, Clie is still a little larger, but it is not as what some people claimed it to be BULKIER, HEAVIER. Sounds like Clie is way too big but it is not.

Besides the weight difference is only 20 g, if you put an MP3 plyer in M505, see how much that gonna weight?

M505 is definitely a loser compared to Clie (except for the 20g weight differnce and slightly larger form factor), now many people have seen the amaing screen and have learned that the Clie width is actually much narrower than M505, the proud M505 owners are whining about the thickness and weight? And that is the only valuable thing left for M505?

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:31:42 PM #
Oops, the important parameters should be width and "thickness", not height.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:33:03 PM #
I think the biggest loser of all is the person who computed all that. Do you plan to keep your Clie in your pocket protector?

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:50:04 PM #
I have Clie N710C here with me, it fits into shirt pocket well. Have you seen the Clie with your own eyes and hold it with your own palm actually?

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 10:02:11 PM #
I would love to see someone put a couple of 3 by 5 index cards in their shirt pocket, I can barely understand putting a m505 in, even if it does fit. Putting a Clie in your shirt pocket (as I have seen the size at a OD with a demo unit) would be the epitome of dorkiness.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:47:14 PM #
>I think the biggest loser of all is the person who computed all that. Do you plan to keep your Clie in your pocket protector?<

He was just giving facts to support his claims of the CLie's size not speculations like everyone else

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 10:15:08 AM #
Who ever calculated that is WRONG "thickness for Clie is 1.68 in thickness for M505 is 1.27 in" My m505 is only .5 IN thick!!! the m505 is not over 1 and a quarter inches!!!

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 12:26:16 PM #
That would be 1.27 cm
0.5 inches x 2.54 cm/inch = 1.27 inches

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 12:27:55 PM #
Now I've done it:
0.5 inches x 2.54 cm/inch = 1.27 cm


RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 1:19:57 PM #
why don't you guys just wait and hold both of them in your palm and then determine instead of doing all these silly calculations.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 3:09:27 PM #
Geezus Christmas, children, GET A LIFE.

If you're so insecure that you have to trash other peoples' choices to justify your own, I pity you.

(And as for the "PPC win" comment, under 10% markeshare is winning? Must have made that calculation on an original Pentium. :-)

(Now see, you've lowered me to your level.. :-)

Biggest losers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:06:45 AM #
>I think the biggest loser of all is the person who computed all that. Do you plan to keep your Clie in your pocket protector?<

Actually, I believe the biggest losers are all those people that are calling the Clie "too big to carry around", the Clie "is as big as am iPAQ" and "the Clie is twice as thick as the m505". These are obviously not true. I think the motives behind people who post these comments feels so threaten by the Clie because it's better than their m505.

Come-on people, it's a handheld!! I understand if you are posting a legitimate complaint, but purposely making false statements just because there's a better product?!?!? That's the definition of a loser!!

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 10:22:53 AM #
Actually, you have it backwards. People did nothing but bash the m505 for its dim screen, and hyped up the Clie to unrealistic expectations.

Now that the Clie is out, and people can compare them, the m505 holds its own against the Clie. Unless you want a brick sized MP3 player included, that is.

It is the Clie owners who now feel they have to justify their purchases, and will lash out against anyone who has something good to say about the m505.

Don't even start with the "its got a 320x320 screen..." arguement. Palm will integrate a high rez scrren into its future offerings when it feels that the processor can handle the higher resolution without slowing the hanheld down to a crawl. Plus they will give us high resolution AND 16 bit color in the future.

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 12:27:12 PM #
>Don't even start with the "its got a 320x320
>screen..." arguement. Palm will integrate a high rez
>scrren into its future offerings when it feels that
>the processor can handle the higher resolution
>without slowing the hanheld down to a crawl. Plus
>they will give us high resolution AND 16 bit color in
>the future.

Actually, YOU are really searching....

The majority of the feedback from actual Clie N710C owners have been positive as are the reviews from creditable from major tech. news sources. So there's no need to justify the Clie.

There is, however, a need to justify why the hell did someone pay $450 for an m505, while for $50 more they could've gottenso much more.

Oh, by the way...the Clie has a hardware video accelerator that speeds the 320x320 resolution up. From people who have tested the Clie, they obtain a benchmark of 207%!!! That's the speed of a visor platinum. The benchmark of the m505 was benchmarked at around 150%. So not only does the Clie have 320x320 resolution, it's actually faster than the m505.

And...speaking of the new processor...did you read that the new ARM processor will have built-in memory stick compatibilty?

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 3:26:05 PM #
It is definitely not a legitimate comparison to benchmark 2 PDA's running different versions of the same OS. Clie=3.52 m505=4.0. Visor-3.5+

RE: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 4:09:35 PM #

So you mean 4.0 is slower than 3.5?

Correction: Size!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 4:16:37 PM #
Oops, that should be 1.27 cm for m505 thickness and 1.68 cm for Clie thickness. Sorry about the mistake!!

A benchmark is a benchmark
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 1:01:15 PM #
>It is definitely not a legitimate comparison to >benchmark 2 PDA's running different versions of the >same OS. Clie=3.52 m505=4.0. Visor-3.5+

What difference does that make? Since it is the same OS but different versions, the benchmark 2.0 is compatible, that's all that matters. If look at the relative speed data on the benchmark, it listed both machines running Palm OS 3.2 and 3.5, aren't those different version of the same OS?

Not to get off the subject but,

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 12:36:06 PM #
I’ve looked at all these pics of the Ipaq, Clie and M505 screen quality. I like all three machines if you could believe that but, I was willing to sacrifice some features for the reason that I value size the most…Said that, I need help to understand Why isn’t possible to have a contrast setting on the m505? Since it seams that the Ipaq and the Clie have similar types of screens???(Lit the same way so, it seams to me)

Can some one help me to have a better understanding how the clie or I paq were able to accomplish this and not palm…?

Thank you

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 1:16:59 PM #
Great Question:
I too would like to know the answer Ed can you help with this one?Thanx

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 2:41:53 PM #
This was done on purpose in order to optimize battery life and the color screen.

If users were able to adjust the brightness, then the battery life would suffer and folks would be unhappy with the results.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:40:16 PM #
Do you actually believe what you are talking about yourself? "If there is a button for brightness, then the battery life will be shorter", you think people are idiot, they don't know how to turn the brightness down when there are enough lights? This is ridiculous!!

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:57:48 PM #
I would have to agree!
That was a pretty dumb statement.
That the consumers meaning us would not be smart enough to know when to turn off the contrast button which would shorten battery life and palm based there decision on that.
Good one lets hear another.
I need a laugh.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 10:02:58 AM #
To answer your question, yes I believe in what I am talking about.

Let me answer your question with a question. Why do you think there is no contrast option? Do you think it was an oversight on Palm's part? Do you really think Palm "forgot" to put in an option which has been in all the other palms before this one? I don't think so.
So if they didn't forget, and they didn't include it, the answer that best fits the situation is they set it for the optimal combination of battery life and screen brightness.

If you disagree with me, why not ask Palm? I'm sure by now they have received calls from folks asking how to adjust the contrast.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 11:31:14 AM #
Let me use a question to answer your question too. What will you explain if Palm put a brightness control in the next verson of m505? "Oh!!! Palm listens to the customer?"

I have dropped by Frys many times to look at different PDAs, everytime when people looked at m505, most of them tried to find the brightness control to see if they could make it brighter.

If Palm decided not to include the brightness adjustment because of the reason you mentioned, I guess that is a big mistake!!

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 1:56:17 PM #
I will have to agree with the comments above you do have some valid points. Re: reasons that m505 did not come with a contrast button but if some third party app would come out to be able to change the setting of brightness-if this is at all possible he or she would make Bank! I would purchase it! In a heart beat.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 2:03:07 PM #
"What will you explain if Palm put a brightness control in the next verson of m505? "Oh!!! Palm listens to the customer?""

The next version of the m505 may very well have a contrast control. It may also have a soft graffiti screen, 320x320 resolution and/or a better battery. And yes it would be due to customer demand. These are all hardware changes and some or all will probably be included in upcoming models. I don't think you will be seeing a contrast button in the current OS however.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:20:21 AM #
IF there's a next version of the m505!!! Palm is sinking fast. They are "re-thinking" their strategy. They might pull out of the high-end market and focus on the low-end m100's.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 9:51:26 AM #
Rather than letting us just speculate about Palm's reasoning, someone from Palm should step forward and explain the choices that they made with the M505. I have seen some very good posts from Handera explaining the design tradeoffs they made on their new model (color vs. black and white, etc.). In the absence of any statement from Palm we can only assume they think we're too dumb to handle a brightness control.

RE: Not to get off the subject but,
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 4:04:16 PM #
I guess it is due to the energy crisis!! So user can not adjust the brightness to drain power fast!!

Great idea, now the federal government should order all the lamp manufacturer to make a fix lamp so that the energy deficiency can be alleviated!


Volcano @ 5/27/2001 1:58:08 PM #
I have had my M505 for 3 weeks now and use it for many houre everyday. I am a Operations Mgr. for PepsiCo and have many contacts, direct reporte, to do lists, e-mail, word docs, spreadsheets etc. that I must have at my finger tips instantly. The 505 packs it all. Every time I take it out of my pocket, I am still amazed by the size (absoulutly small). I had heard a lot about the sub-par screen and got caught up in the "hysteria" and actually went back to BEST BUY to trade it cor an IPAQ but the IPAQ was too big, the software too "awkward" and actually the M505 screen was to-me sharper under many more light conditions w/o fumbling w/contrast controls. I kept my 505 and I am still impressed w/it everyday!
RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 2:52:23 PM #
I totally agree;
For the size you cannot beat it!

Volcano, Pepsi & Palmtop-pro
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 4:38:30 PM #
Hi Volcano!

We are the premium mobile computing hardcopy magazine in Europe and would love to print your impression as manager at pepsico on the m505.

Please contact me directly:
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publishing editor
Palmtop-pro magazine

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RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 3:11:42 PM #
But why discuss the admittedly cool m505 in a Clie topic?

As for Pepsi, could you PLEASE do something to make Diet Pepsi not taste so crappy? I hate it when restaurants give the "no coke, pepsi" line. :-)

RE: M505
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 4:22:49 PM #
Because M505 owners are having a hard time right now. They have to keep justifying their M505 purchase to themselves. I think the more choices we have the better. But some M505 owners keep trolling any Clie' article with disparaging remarks about a PDA that most have never seen in real life.

Nobody wins with less choices, we all lose.

RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 4:05:01 AM #
Can you talk. In complete sentences. You dingo, who you.


seaaa @ 5/27/2001 3:14:11 PM #
I agree with you Vol. my M505 is great. When ever I use it at work (constantly) it gets "oos and ahhs", awesome size, incredible expandbility ans color. I take it absoulutly every where, hiking, workouts, shopping and forget it's there. My brother works for Micro soft and they all have IPAQs, I beat him hands down pulling up basic applications faster while his IPAQ gets hung up on programs he accidently hit etc. Also he often does'nt have his IPAQ ("Too big to lug around!").

battery life?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 4:11:38 PM #
Who knows the battery life of these three devices: Ipaq, clie710c and 505? Now I am more concerning about this rather than the size and screen quality. Different people have different preferences, for meI prefer a smaller size device, although I envy the screen quality of the clie. Yes I am a proud m505 owner.

RE: battery life?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 4:51:37 PM #
Don't envy the screen of the Clie, you can only look at it for about 2-3 hours a charge running applications. It's not worth the bulkiness, the 256-color display, and they low battery life. Go with the m505, it treats you right.

RE: battery life?(Clie N700C and m505)
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 5:11:06 PM #
As a author of BatteryBench, I tested both devices
(CLIE is japanese model N700C)

I tested both in normal mode of BatteryBench( it runs 1 second
and only display for 9 seconds)

backlight off : 16 hours
backlight minimum: 10 hours
backlight maximum: 6 hours

backlight off : 15 hours
backlight on : 6.5 hours

m100: 40 hours
HandEra 330: 36 hours

YAMADA Tatsushi
Hacker dude-san

RE: battery life?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 8:46:14 PM #
"It can only last 2-3 hours",

that is with playing mp3 and front light on. without front light, it last 11 hours for playing MP3. I think for normal usage, it should be even longer.

RE: battery life?
JET8810 @ 5/27/2001 9:31:25 PM #
wow...the handera gets 36 hours of battery life?!?!?! Is that just looking up adresses or games...also, using a cf modem and keyboard would drain the battery much.,..quicker...right?

RE: battery life?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 10:47:29 PM #
> HE330, 36 hours with CF modem?

No, but you can plug the 330 into the wall and run it for as long as you like.


RE: battery life?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 2:43:30 AM #
Clie lasts only 2 - 3 hours?
Another misinformed idiot making unfounded comments.
The clie can last as long as the m505, my dear friends.
I have used both, tried both.
Unless you play MP3 with the screen on, it will drain in 3 hours, else typical usage will last you at least one week. (1 hour a day on average)

RE: battery life?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:10:48 AM #
Obviously you are another idiot who doesn't read people's comments in full. Why not scroll up and read again what he wrote?

RE: battery life!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 3:52:57 AM #
After conducting real world tests we found that the battery life of a Palm is much longer as in any statistic.

The test results shown above are most probably conducted in a continuous mode e.g. running a program and measuring continuos until the battery is exhausted.
This puts on a battery an artificial (not a real world) drain. Thought there is no other standard to measure it has to be seen what ist is: As very rough comparing tool somehow probably ok or not (depends how you look at the data), it shows something but holds no water in real use as it reflects not the day to day PDA life.

Anyhow – the test as conducted here has probably some meaning, as there is no other known proper way to measure – even thought this does not reflect the real world performance.

In real world you flip the Palm open, look up your data and close down. This gives the battery the ability to recreate and gain when in off mode.

Our (out of the stomach and not 100% replicable) tests have shown, that the M500 runs up to about 21 hours in real world with light of – But that’s something widely depending on the individual users individual behaviour. So it is safe to say that the Palm has not only a very good real world performance but a superior one.

Like a RollsRoyce vendor answers a question to the horsepower of a Silvercloud with a disgusted but conclusive:

Enough power in any situation ... Sir'

Palmtop-pro Magazine
publishing editor

16bit M505 vs 8bit Clie

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 9:50:39 PM #
I think people who compare these two don't realize there ain't much difference to the naked eye. As ED have reviewed, he cannot tell the difference from a 256 color picture and one of 16bit color. Maybe this is due to the cloudyness that some m505 owners have reported.

Some other people believe that having 16bit color will achieve better pictures. But if you think about it, 256 color does produce color banding, but it is at a much higher resolution (320x320). While m505 has 16bit colors, yet the pixelation of the machine will cause some color banding. In turn, they will both achieve the same colors, but the one with higher resolution will give better details and sharper image.

However m505 is still a great machine given the size of it with a built in expansion slot. If size is what you need, go for a m505, but if you want something new and innovative, with a great screen, get the clie.

Lastly, some has compared the iPaq with the new clie. I say the only comparison that you can really do is the screen itself. I've seen the pictures of the 3 machines and I say Clie has the best of the bunch. and best of all, its PalmOS. Now all i need is a place close to Canada so that I can drive down to get myself a Clie.

RE: 16bit M505 vs 8bit Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 12:13:38 AM #
Excellent point. I have a Clie and a Prism, I have to say even my Prism has 16 bit color, the resolution kills it. The Clie's 4 times higher resolution magnifies the visual effect. Now I suspect Palm and Handspring will push similar product given the overhelmingly good reputation of the Clie N-710C. Lets wait and see.

RE: 16bit M505 vs 8bit Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 10:50:52 AM #
Don't let the pictures fool you. The color on the Clie was not as intense as expected. Some have said that the colors on the m505 look milky. Having held the Clie in my hand, the colors are also "milky" and washed out. They are sharper though. Sharper is good. Washed out is not.

RE: 16bit M505 vs 8bit Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 11:26:18 AM #
Compared with Prism, the color of Clie is washed out, compared with, m505 color is also washed out (and because of the frontlight of m505 is not adjustable and very dim, the color looks more washed out than Clie, however, the m505 has more color but very dull).

RE: 16bit M505 vs 8bit Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 4:31:13 PM #
Nothing more to say.....because Clie "can" display 16bit color:


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2001 11:23:52 PM #
can someone tell me if i can use AOL instant messenger on a VIIx. thanx

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 12:28:25 AM #
i guess

bcombee @ 5/28/2001 4:16:13 AM #
There is a gateway PQA to send AOL IMs to other users, but you cannot receive instant messages, since the Palm VII/VIIx is not constantly connected -- it only gets data when you explicitly make a request.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 11:28:21 AM #
but couldnt you make a request constantly say like once every 5 seconds

bcombee @ 5/29/2001 12:45:56 AM #
Turn around time for a single request tends to be five to ten seconds. Having the device continually poll the server would run down the transmitter antenna in a few minutes, and drain the AAA's after an hour or so of usage.

Its just not feasible until a push-capable Palm, like the rumored m700, is available.

"Backlist" Graffiti area?

jasonheyd @ 5/28/2001 9:34:42 AM #

Anyone know if the Graffiti area of the N710C is backlist, as it is with the m505?

RE: "Backlit" Graffiti area ..
jasonheyd @ 5/28/2001 9:36:12 AM #

Meant "backLIT" not "list". :)

RE: Backlit
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 10:11:22 AM #
No, at least the 700 is not. My guess the 710 is the same way.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 10:16:27 AM #

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 11:23:49 AM #
The four blocks (HOME, MENU, CALCULATOR, FIND) are backlit, the Graffitti area is not.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 12:09:40 PM #
>>The four blocks (HOME, MENU, CALCULATOR, FIND) are backlit, the Graffitti area is not.<<

Just as good!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 3:55:10 PM #
Actually the graffitti area is lit a little since the front light sits underneath the top of the Graffitti area,
and the light can go to the top of the Graffitti area.

RE: Backlit graffiti area - NO, not on my US model
PalmZealot @ 5/30/2001 2:00:37 PM #
I just bought a Sony Clié N710C at Fry's last night. I had to charge it first to try it out - not like the HP Jornada 547 I bought last week (the HP 547 came with a Stowaway Keyboard, UBS cradle and 32MBRam for $399 - hand to try it - Ugh - S L O W . . . .).

I tried the Sony Clié N710C in the dark to see if the graffiti area was indeed lit, but is was NOT, and neither were the Home, Menu, Find or Calc areas. I found it impossible to write on the graffiti area in the darkness of the room while the mighty glow of the screen blinded me. Trying to find the "Brightness" button on the graffiti area was impossible too because it wasn't lit either.

While screen is bright, and sharp, but appears muddy and grey because of the bad CONTRAST setting. Too bad its not like the PPC's out on the market - like the HP 547 I bought last week - it of course has both Contrast and Brightness settings - something ANY color device SHOULD have. Your COLOR TV at home has a Contrast and Brightness adjustment, why not on these Palm OS handhelds????

Also point real quick if I may, the Sony Clié N710C is noticibly heavier than the other Palm PDA (minus the Prism of course), and if people are going to compare the m505 and the N710C, they should take into consideration the size of the two devices.

Its stands to reason that if the m505 had AS BIG a battery that the N710C uses, that the m505 would be AS BRIGHT and the battery life would last AS LONG as the Sony Clié N710C. Of course though, that would make the m505 AS BIG as the N710C, so what would be the point of having an m505 THAT BIG???? The m505 would loose its small sleak design. So that's the trade off.

After testing out the Sony Clié N710C, I have decided that I will be returning the Sony Clié N710C (like I did the HP 547). The Sony Clié N710C to me isn't worth the $537 (incld tax) I paid for it.

New Clie

Dave @ 5/28/2001 12:37:54 PM #
Few comments-
Sceen is pretty bright/colors little murky
Battery life in real testing doesn't last as long as m505
It is a thick machine, doesn't have the same pocketability factor.
To store songs on it, you need memory stick, which are very expensive.
Graffiti area does not glow.
Stick with your m505, it'll treat you right.
RE: New Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 12:42:49 PM #
another misinformed commenter

RE: New Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 1:17:42 PM #
how come everyone said memory stick is expensive. I found 64Mb for $78, how much is 64Mb of SD card anyway?

RE: New Clie
twizza @ 5/28/2001 2:06:34 PM #
i have seen the sd cards at expensive stores such as circuit city and best buy go for around $50-$55. the MMC versions go for about $15 less that that.

as for the price that u quoted. where was that. i have not see a 64mb mem stick for less that $80-$85.

RE: New Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 2:31:50 PM #
$50 for a 64Mb SD card? i don't think so. you said Circuit city, best buy... so there are no proves because but here is my prove of price for memory card, $78 for 64Mb

and $78.99 for 64Mb at

and $82 for 64Mb at

please show me some place where they sell 64Mb of SD card for $50, please get real, don't post any message if you have nothing to back you up with

RE: New Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 8:40:49 PM #
Holly Cow!
Thats pretty cheap! $78.00 for a 64MB Mem stick.

I done know why i've been trying so hard to get one off Ebay !

New Clie will be the m505 killer!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:30:31 AM #
OK, so the clie is only slighly bigger than the m505, and that the Clie uses only 8-bit color, and that the Clie uses memory sticks. So what?!?!

I don't understand why people are so fixated on these minor details.

Let's talk about the major details:
1. increase resolution 320x320
2. no grid-lines
3. built-in multi-media/MP3 support
4. jog-dail for easy navigation with a back button
5. adjustable screen contrast/brightness
6. better smoother text
7. brighter, whiter screen
8. longer battery life
9. 8 MB internal RAM, 4MB flash ROM, and 8MB memory stick included
10. travel charger included

The Clie has ALL the above while the m505 lacks them, and in my opinion, the features listed above most than justify fewer colors and a 0.16" thickness.

By the way, the color depth in the m505 is useless because of the dim screen.

RE: New Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 4:35:11 PM #
Sorry guys....but Clie can display 16bit color

m505 is a giant mistake
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/10/2001 9:40:10 PM #
If you guys want a dimly lit, low-soon-to-be-obsolete-resoultion, no mp3-playing Palm m505, be my guest. Sure, it's thinner, but at what price? And I am not speaking monitarely. I mean that Palm sacrificed for form over function for it. At my local store, the m505's screen was laughable, even WITH the backlight! Besides, I happen to prefer the blockier shape as compared to the sloping sides of the m505 which gave an odd grip for some games, read: Zap!2000 and Maryo Bros..

RE: New Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 12:18:13 AM #
I use my PDA for business, I don't listen to music on it and I don't play games on it. I don't own a 505 and don't intend to get one, but if I did your arguments against it are meaningless to someone like me. If I want a portable device to listen to music on (which I don't), I'd get a portable player that would play MP3 cd's. And since my order is in for a gameboy advance I don't need to discuss that aspect further.

Remember, not all of us want to listen to music and play games on our PDA's, for us it's a business tool.

Sony doesn't expect it to sell

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 1:16:53 PM #
Look at the advertising. They spent millions to advertise the playstation 2 (before it came out), advertise their wega tv's, and their Vaio laptops. They haven't spent a dime advertising it. If the parent company doesn't care enough, why should we? Even if the Clie is the greatest handheld ever, if the parent company doesn't care the general public shouldn't either.

They are starting to advertise
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 4:07:57 PM #
Actually I just saw the first ad on Friday.

It’s on the back cover of the June 1, 2001 Entertainment Weekly – not exactly a geek magazine.

They say it’s business tool because it runs the Palm OS. And it has entertainment features-it plays MP3’s and video clips.

I’m looking forward to getting my hands on one. –Just like a lot of other people.

I also hope that Sony can bring some add-on accessories to market soon too: wireless modem, folding keyboard, memory sticks with applications, etc.

RE: Sony doesn't expect it to sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 12:48:01 AM #
My there are a lot of irrational people posting here with "Sony Envy".... The CLIE has sold out on the west coast in one weekend... hey Sony haters, my Mem Stick is bigger than your SD card!!

*arrogant chuckles*

RE: Sony doesn't expect it to sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 1:09:25 AM #
You're an idiot!!

Did Palm advertise the m505 or m500 much?

Did Handspring advertise their products much?

I don't understand people like you, you post these ridiculous comments trying to trash a very good handheld. What's the matter? Did the Sony make your m505 look like crap? Are you afraid that Palm is going to get their butt kicked by SONY, HandEra, and Handspring?

RE: Sony doesn't expect it to sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 9:42:00 PM #
perhaps its not advertized because there are NONE TO BUY!!!!!
Cali is SOLD OUT.
REST of the country has yet to get it.

Lets advertize so frustated masses can go to their local retailer just to be disapointed!!!!

What an idiot.

RE: Sony doesn't expect it to sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 12:26:48 PM #
Hey Sony/M505 fighters, my CF card has more memory than your memory sticks and SD cards combined.....

(not withstandng the fact that i can still use an SD card on top of that)...

ah, expandability....gotto love it

Handera330 user

Why is that?

David Ross @ 5/28/2001 2:04:10 PM #
Why is everyone fighting for their handheld? Just use the one you like and leave us alone!
RE: Why is that?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 4:27:54 PM #
Because M505 owners are having a hard time right now. They have to keep justifying their M505 purchase to themselves. I think the more choices we have the better. But some M505 owners keep trolling any Clie' article with disparaging remarks about a PDA that most have never seen in real life.

Nobody wins with less choices, we all lose.

RE: Why is that?
Gepeto @ 5/28/2001 5:32:33 PM #
(David Ross = my Real name when I post from my Palm)
Exactly, but only to some extent. As long as most applications stay compatible with every device, I think the more choice the better. If people start to do Hi-res only applications, that's something else. And I think M505 may be right about the small size of it, but the CLIÉ is NOT a monster, it might be a bit bigger but some people like me don't care, we just want a bright screen with lots of pixels :)

David Ross
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 8:20:32 PM #
David Ross? Are you David Ross from MacAddict?

RE: David Ross
Gepeto @ 5/28/2001 9:17:25 PM #
In fact I'm a student near Montreal. I'd love to have a brand new mac though :P

Clie low color count

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 5:09:11 PM #
Somebody posted that the m505 has more possible colors that maximum pixels. I don't think he realizes that most people want this. The Clie with it's 256 color display, has only one different color for every 400 pixels if you fill up the screen evenly with all the colors. Do the math:
320x320=102400 pixels
/256 colors
400 pixels per color.
Now, that's not a very attractive number, is it?

RE: Clie low color count
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 5:29:35 PM #
just look at the screen when you can get a hand on one, trust me the screen is much better than the m505, no question about it. No need for all these calculations. Just wait

RE: Clie low color count
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 11:01:37 PM #
m505 has 16 bit color, but it looks like there are many layers of screen protector on the screen to dull the color.

RE: Clie low color count
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:19:51 AM #
Why in the world would we want so much colours? It's a PDA after all, not some video player or photo album. These are just some extra sweet features, and ultimately, I think the higher resolution is more important in the long run.

RE: Clie low color count
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 4:04:12 AM #
Here's some more math for you.

A 160x160, 16-bit color device has 25600 pixels and a range of 65536 colors. What do you need all those colors for?

An 8-bit color image, IF DITHERED WELL, can come very close to the quality of a 16-bit image in most cases.

Also, it was not too long ago that we were all playing 320x240 (or 320x200) DOS games in 8-bit VGA. (Kind of puts things in perspective, hm?) I never had any complaints about using a 256 color palette!

RE: Clie low color count
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 3:37:34 PM #
Don't even say anything about the color between N710c and M505. Go to the following link and discover yourself. (a program that show the CLIE "CAN" display "16bit" color. You know? that's 320x320 resolution plus 16bit color!!!)

SIZE and the STICK

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 6:50:20 PM #
It is nice too see that finally a bunch of us geeks finally realize that SIZE DOES MATTER !!

BTW - gotta stay away from memory stick - don't need a box of those to go with my beta machine. Long live CF - usable by more than Sony.

RE: SIZE and the STICK
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 7:24:54 PM #
Sony and who else?

Could it be?!

Motorola for those following recent news.

RE: SIZE and the STICK
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2001 11:11:30 PM #
Yeah good call... If Motorola makes the next Dragonball with memory stick support, I see a new standard for the PalmOS. And the next Clie will be sweet too!

RE: battery life

Altema @ 5/28/2001 9:09:11 PM #
Actually, the advertised battery life for the Sony is is 7.5 hours, The advertised battery life for the Palm M505 is 10.25 hours with mixed sidelight usage. With the sidelight on constantly, the time appears to be between 7 and 9 hours, so you can probably expect about 12 hours if you avoid the using the light at all, which is a flourescent display and should never burn out. Although neither one compares favorably with the III series (the IIIc will do up to 16 hours, IIIxe up to 30 hours), you have to consider the form factor of the M505 (smallest color device in the world), and the extra drain of the audio output on the Sony. What concerns me though, is that Palm OS users are beginning to bash Palm OS users. What gives? Both devices have their strong points and unique features. That's a good thing: we can pick our preferences and be a happy camper, and that does not mean we have to put down everyone else who may have different needs. The Pocket PC cannot gain the ground they want on Palm OS devices, even by giving away Desktop software, giving bribes to Palm supporters, and putting out full page cheap shots. However, Microsoft would love for this infighting to blow up, just so they can something more than their toenail in the PDA market. Open discussion on Palm OS device preferences is great, and the diversity will only make the Palm OS world stronger, but let's keep it civil.
RE: RE: battery life
twizza @ 5/29/2001 12:08:03 AM #
nicely said.

RE: RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 1:22:30 AM #
Yes, I agree with you. I'm just irritated at all the people who are just posting wrong information about the Clie. I really wish people would stop, it's childish and unproductive.

But civility is no fun!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 8:24:36 AM #

RE: RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 10:16:43 AM #
Debating the relative merits is useful. Ego-driven name calling is a waste of time. I'm pleased with my M505, but I'm glad there's another choice for those with different priorities.

RE: RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 11:10:32 AM #
7 ~ 9 hours with sidelight on for M505?
I did a test as soon as I got my 505.
I use AOCtrlDA to keep my 505 on, with the sidelight on, it can only last for 5:49 (just idle, no any program running). If I kept the sidelight off, the battery life was 13:24. Both of them were measured by Runtime.

Is it normal? Can anybody tell me your battery life?

RE: RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 9:49:59 PM #
Yeah why are we Palm OS people fighting?

Theres an Ipaq neard over there in the corner. Hes mumbling some Ram/Rom/bits sampling/ geekspeak.

Lets all go after HIM. :)

[ No Subject ]

anonymous @ 5/29/2001 6:33:51 AM #
Can the 710 actually play movies fluently? Or is this nothing more than an interesting demo of a still unrefined idea? It sounds too cool to be true!
RE: [ No Subject ]
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 4:24:59 PM #
Unfortunatly no (but the audio is good). I am not if it is the software problem though!

Good movie playback on the Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/5/2001 2:07:47 PM #
GMovie (the bundled viewer that comes with the Clie) sucks compared to TealMovie (in frame rate). TealMovie played clips a lot better, although the audio was scratchy (like 8kHz).

I guess it's a playoff of framerate vs audio, but if Teal ever improves the audio (which by the way plays through any Palm OS device with an internal speaker), it will be the viewer of choice for me.

RE: battery life

Altema @ 5/29/2001 9:41:21 AM #
Boris, you are right that these are not real world tests, they are indeed constant drain tests. Nobody uses their Palm that way. The only real-world numbers were for the III series of which I've had five. I have seen battery life testing manipulated in pretty extreme ways. One non-Palm organizer claimed to have a battery life of 180 hours continous! Reading the fine print, it turns out that the device was tested in a mode where there the screen was on, with no back light and no processing. Perhaps we could take a moment and standardize the tests. 30 minutes a day in a game demo mode, or something with the processor actually doing something?

Paul Campbell,
Telecommunications Network Engineer

RE: RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 1:00:51 PM #
No bad idea at all.

But real life is even different from that.

We should consider once a day to:

Look up 20 addresses
Synchronise wireless to avantgo a given channel amount
Read email 15 minutes
Writing text for 20 minutes

Looks good in theory - but who has the time to do this for a prolonged time?

I would say - lets get on with life and accept the fact that the Palm 50x is a pretty good machine with a acceptable screen and enough battery life to make you comfortable in normal conditions - and let the fine details to the non-power user who crawl even in the last bit.

(Thought for expeditions which are away a prolonged period from their homebase like the one on:
We propose always battery driven Palms / Symbols / HandEra or battery emergency loader)

A power user is the one making the most of his machine by working with it every day and gaining benefit in being more productive or / and have simple good fun

- and not the one disassembling his Ferrari by the day (as only a freak does)
- changing oil and measuring the gas with a stick to calculate the consume

These chaps are avoiding driving around as the tires could get wet.

If the majority of users would more focus on real life problems (the proper software / solutions)and not trying to measure what’s not worth to measure as long at is basically ok- we would have a lot less useless flames and stress.

That’s the way I see it


Another theme: The chaps biting the nickel on this forum (on unimportant theoretical academic arguments) overlook that the product itself is not the mayor cost involved – if you choose the wrong tool (and thats the software) for your work means that you have to spend incredible time and effort later on.

This is REALLY sad

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 9:56:55 AM #
I'm reading these post because I need a Palm and NONE of them are the perfect PDA for me. EVERY Palm I've looked at from EVERY manufacturer has some flaw. Handsprings are too big (the Edge is too expensive for being b/w). The Palm m505 screen isn't worth the $. The Clie has no wireless capability, and none planned for the immediate future. It's also NOT Mac compatible even though its USB. The Handera is cool, but again b/w screen and no wireless capability. The Kyocera is nice, but no Mac compatibility, and with the Samsung i300 months away, $500 is alot for a b/w screen. Even with all these visible flaws (give the high price of the "high end" models there is NO reason any of you should be quibbling that one model is better than another. Each has a stong point AND a weak point. In reality, there is very little that a m500 or a Clie can do that an M100 can't do. If you want to watch a movie on your PDA, go ahead. I need to get real productivity and performance for the $ out of whatever PDA I get. If I want to watch a movie I've got a DVD player in my laptop.

Get the m100 if you are cheap, get the m505 if you are not.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 11:17:28 AM #
This isn't rocket science.

RE: This is REALLY sad
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 12:08:41 PM #
The Clie is compatible with a USB Macintosh if you get the Markspace ( Clie Macpak. I use this on my Clie 300 and my brother uses it on his 710 he picked up Saturday at Frys San Diego. Cost is around $30.00.

PS-Sony actually will tell you to buy the Markspace software if you want to use a Clie on a MAC.

It's NOT about being cheap!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:08:24 PM #
The point is everyone here is bickering over which PDA is the balls out best when NONE of the them are. They ALL have there weak points. I'm not buying ANY Palm now. I'm not alone here. Palm is on hard times because ONLY ubergeeks will tolerate their unimpressive line of PDAs. Give me a M505 with a hi-rez bright color screen, wireless capability to get MY email (not just, out of the box compatibility with Windows and Mac, add in a few whiz bang features like MP3 and then you might have a PDA worth of $450. Until then its all junk.

You are asking for features that you really don't need.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 3:35:28 PM #

RE: This is REALLY sad
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 10:00:03 PM #
Yeah why are we Palm OS people fighting?

Theres an Ipaq neard over there in the corner. He's mumbling some Ram/Rom/bits sampling/ geekspeak.

Lets all go after HIM. :)

RE: This is REALLY sad
Chromosome @ 5/30/2001 1:24:11 PM #
I love my m505--it's a better fit for my needs than the Sony. I also give a nod to Sony for developing the memory stick (SD/MMC) technology that Palm incorperated into the m50x. Most importantly, thanks to the Clie enthusiasts who developed the software (MSMount, McFile, and PowerRun) that really made the MMC work. It was even a Clie enthusiast who wrote a thread to walk us all through using these progerams last month! For those Clie lovers-enjoy your powerful new device! Functionally superior to my m505 but a little bigger. I respect you and appreciate you. Remember the words of Rodney King.. ;)

RE: This is REALLY sad
CarlJ @ 5/30/2001 2:09:41 PM #
I agree -- I love my new Clie; it's a better fit for my needs than the m505. I really like the m505 as well, but I am among those disappointed by the screen brightness. If the m505 screen works well for others (or perhaps you received units better/brighter than the demo models I saw), well, hey, that's cool, too.

As far as size goes, from my perspective it was, "hey, cool, the Clie is smaller than my IIIx", rather than, "gack, the Clie is bigger than a Vx". Sure, I'd love to have a Clie screen/backlight in an m505 body, but then I also want a 400mhz StrongARM, 32mb memory, flat-rate wireless Internet connectivity, and OS5... don't we all? :-)

It seems everyone is also arguing the relative merits of MemStick vs. SD/MMC vs. CF... (okay, well, granted, CF wins hands down on IO device support at this point, but you just can't build a CF-sized slot into a m505-sized handheld right now). But I see this as mostly a non-issue at this point, if you use the slot for external memory, and aren't buying / dragging around handfuls of the cards... I'm delighted by how transparently software that uses Palm's VFS API works between the two -- all the Clie MSMount-style software works on the m50x, and things advertised as supporting SD/MMC, like Palm's PalmReader (née PeanutReader), work just fine on my Clie/MemStick.

I'm looking forward to more programs supporting VFS, so you can, for example, keep a 100k dictionary app in main memory that reads from a 10mb database on a MS/SD/MMC/CF card. I'd love to see more document readers be able to directly read documents off the card (like PalmReader), without the use of MSMount or tricks to temporarily copy databases to RAM.

Call/Email Sonystyle and ask why pre-orders weren't shipped!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 2:52:36 PM #


Let them know they shouldn't treat their customers
this way. Ask why retails stores are selling them
when their pre-orders (with an announced ship date
of the 28th!!!) are still not shipping!

RE: Call/Email Sonystyle and ask why pre-orders weren't shipped!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 4:27:20 PM #
If I recall correctly, Palm did the same thing for m505 (correct me if I am wrong).

RE: Call/Email Sonystyle and ask why pre-orders weren't shipped!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 5:59:36 PM #
Does anyone know when will they start shipping the pre-orders?

RE: Call/Email Sonystyle and ask why pre-orders weren't shipped!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2001 9:37:11 PM #
yeah - after everyone else gets theirs at retail.

Call them / Email them - let them know they shouldn't
treat their customers this way.

RE: Call/Email Sonystyle and ask why pre-orders weren't shipped!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 1:00:35 PM #
Did you call Palm telling them that they shouldn't do that either?

RE: Call/Email Sonystyle and ask why pre-orders weren't shipped!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 4:42:27 PM #

a pox on both their houses!
and on Staples too, for a $20 pre-order fee
that got you nothing.


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 4:35:26 AM #
I am new to the world of PDA's following a IIIXE for Xmas last year. Like many of the commentators here, I quickly became an avid fan and tossed my self-printed paper planner. I am now trying to figure out which PDA to upgrade to. I need "power organizing" but I also appreciate "quality distractions" to fill the space between connecting flights. I do not however need to watch DVD's or view professional photographs on my PDA. Despite the critcism regarding the backlight, I was leaning towards the m505. I am happy for any pointers available for this newcomer and would like to know what other kinds of "plug-ins" are likely to be made available for the m505? Is it possible that a mp3 plug-in could produced in the same manner as PDA cameras? Is there a good site that has an easily digestible "head-to-head" comparison? These may be silly questions but greatful for any info.
Get a USA-Made m505. Use EasyView from
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 9:04:17 AM #
You will love it. Great upgrade from your III.

A wireless modem?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 2:13:52 PM #
And when is the Sony Clié going to get a wireless modem? I got the Palm m505 because of Minstrel's support of the Palm platform. They've announced a wireless modem for the Palm m505, what good will the extra resolution be if you can't surf the web with the Clié? No thanks, but I'll take a Palm m505 with a Mistrel m500 and Blazer to surf the web wireless. The Sony Clié is just too limitied for me.

RE: A wireless modem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 2:49:16 PM #
I already have a wireless modem that works great with my Clie' ( as well as all of my Visors, Palms and PPCs). It is called a Nokia 8290 GSM phone. It works with any of my organizers via IR. It works with Palm's Mobile Internet Kit.

I was one of the original beta testers for OmniSky and used them until about three months ago. Bad software, bulky device and sporadic connections finally made me come to my senses. The phone makes a much better wireless modem.

Yeh! Who needs a Wireless modem, NOT ME!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 3:51:52 AM #
Exactly what I was thinking,
I have a GSM cell phone with IR, which cost me nothing more than my phone contract, and it doubles as a modem for my PALMs.

RE: A wireless modem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 10:24:45 AM #
To the Wireless GSM phone users... What wireless service can you use the phones with in the U.S.? Sprint, Verizon, Voicestream, or others?
(Have a Palm V now, Still trying to decide between Clie N710C, Palm 505, or maybe, yes, even the iPaq)

RE: A wireless modem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 11:05:53 AM #
I am in San Jose, CA and use Cingular (formerly Pacific Bell).

Sprint Solution
dstrauss @ 5/31/2001 2:02:30 PM #
I just bought an all-in-one cable from which connects my Palm Vx to my Samsung 8500 cell phone. I enabled Wireless Web ($10 per month plus using cell minutes vs. $.39 per minute plus using minutes) and it works great for reaching email, but very slow for web surfing (19.2 +/-). You don't even need a dialup internet account, as you can quick connect to the Sprint net. For example, three short (one paragraph) email downloads and a single upload took 52 seconds (under the magic 1 minute useage). Not as seemless as an all-in-one phone, but for $50 for a cable, a lot cheaper.

RE: A wireless modem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 3:48:53 PM #
I don't consider a GSM phone a very simple or efficient solution for wireless access. The Minstrel m500 modem clips right onto the Palm and doesn't use any power from the Palm itself. IR communication for a sustained period will probably drain the battery a little faster. If there were a data cable solution it might be better, but you still have to fumble with two devices and a cable. The Mistrel adds only ounces to the back of the Palm and they clip together. Adding more weight to the Sony Clié would make it the heaviest PDA out there short of a PocketPC or laptop. We need some SIMPLE solutions for wireless access!

RE: A wireless modem?
fleegle @ 5/31/2001 11:34:18 PM #
"I am in San Jose, CA and use Cingular (formerly Pacific Bell)."

Which plan are you using? Does it use your voice minutes?

RE: A wireless modem?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/1/2001 2:03:39 AM #
The way that Cingular works in CA is to add on a service called "PCS Data Connect". This is a second number that uses the data line for the phone. This means that it can also receive incoming data calls and faxes. On my phone it just pipes them out over IR if I accept the call.

The plan costs 4.99 per maonth and $.15 per minute of connect time. For me based on the 5 minutes or less per day that I averaged on the OmniSky, I am saving a huge amount of money. In the last four months, it has already paid for the phone. Connection strength is also much stronger than I ever got off of the OmniSky.

N710C at Best Buy!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 3:20:39 PM #
For those of us east of Arizona with Fry's envy, I just wanted to let you know that I picked up my N710C at Best Buy this afternoon (5/30), so I would guess they should be all around the US by the end of the week.

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 4:11:29 PM #
Which Best Buy?

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 5:02:45 PM #
In a suburb of Chicago. Sorry for not mentioning the location.

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 7:00:07 PM #
Also in Mich, at the Dearborn Best Buy!

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 10:36:09 AM #
What is Best Buys return policy? I have an m505 that I got from OD and their return was 14 days

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
LeshMan @ 5/31/2001 8:27:52 PM #
I just went to the Best Buy on North May in Oklahoma City and they got two N710c's: one for demo purposes, and I bought the other one. They also let me trade in my old Palm Vx and get $280 towards the Clie!!!

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 8:43:20 PM #
North Olmsted, Ohio (suburb of Cleveland) has a few too. They just got it this afternoon. However their demo still isn't charged up.

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/1/2001 10:43:04 PM #
Thanks for the tip in North Olmsted. I traveled there tonight to see it in person from Medina, Oh. Unfortunately, the unit was not charged and I was not able to view the screen. Ugghhh!!! The salesperson suggested that I stop by tomorrow and he would try to remember to charge it overnight. I own a M505 and was very curious to see the screen and compare it to my unit. Personally, I'm very happy w/ my m505 and plan to keep it but just curious on what the Clie has to offer.

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 3:24:28 PM #
I was waiting, and waiting, reading everybody's elses wonderful stories, and finally I have one. I was once an owner of the m505, returned it. Love my sony clie. Best buy's in San Antonio and Austin TX has them, although not out on display yet.

RE: N710C at Best Buy!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 6:31:56 PM #
Sony Style is apparently shipping from their website also:

Best Buy in stock date

Rob Zimmerman @ 5/31/2001 3:59:00 PM #
The new Clie is now in stock in a few Best Buy stores. I work at Best Buy and my store has it..YES!!! I am buying it now it rules. By sunday it should be in all stores.
available in Durham NC
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 11:34:00 AM #
Just bought a gorgeous Clie at Best Buy in Durham NC.
They came in on Friday 6/1/01. 10 were supposedly delivered - 2 left after my purchase.

DUKE Devil


I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 6:09:15 PM #
What does the case with the clie look like? is it one of those slip on things or does it attach to the unit like the palms so you dont have to take the thing in and out?

Anyone have a picture?


go the the web site you lazy F
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/1/2001 10:23:54 AM #

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/4/2001 12:45:51 PM #
THey dont have it on the website you F


NARONGSAK @ 6/1/2001 9:53:19 AM #
should have data of sony cin7
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/1/2001 10:57:47 AM #


You speaka english ?

Learn the language so you can be understood.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 7:48:37 PM #

Handspring user

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 1:23:35 AM #
I just read this whole thread. Lots of "us and them" from 505 and Clie camps.
It's just plain dumb but understandable. I love my PDA and so I'm inclined to be loyal to the company that built it. When the m505 came out I was worried Handspring got trumped (and I don't even own stock). Luckily they weren't (go ahead and flame me, I am very unimpressed).
I have a monocrome device and some springboards to go with it. I eventually want a color device and would like Handspring to make it so I can use my modules. Partisanship is human nature.
But I have to say the old Clie really impresses me and the new one sounds great (damn them for not being available in Florida). I read a LOT of text so brightness and resolution are WAY more important to me than color depth. The MP3 thing is cool too. Seeing third party movie software on my Visor Deluxe leads me to believe people will soon be watching real 2 hour movies on the plane with their Clies, just give it a little time. WOW. Too bad I'm not slated to buy a new PDA until Feb '02. I dream of what will be available then.


Sony Clie in NY

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/10/2001 2:08:23 AM #
I just picked up my Clie @ J&R Computer Wolrd in Manhattan.

I've had a for a while the Visor Prism and thought that the 16bit color M505 would be a decent replacement for the Prism especially because of the form factor. I was so wrong. I found going from the bright vivid robust screen of the Prism to the dark and muddy looking M505 a pain. I returned the M505 in a week. I just got the Clie N710c and realized after a few hours with it that this device is truly the step M505 should have had. The Sony has much better contrast than the M505. And though the color saturation isn't better than the Prism. Its pretty dam close. I know some M505 people think that 8bit color is a step back, but the resolution on the Sony is so high(320x320) that images look as good or better on the Clie.

Just for your information people, the Sony Clie can do 16bit color look at this app that proves it.

I bet that in a few months a Sony will patch 3.5 on its N710c and alow it to be 16bit all the time. If not Third party developers are surely gonna take advantage of this powerful graphic processor in the clie that easily can do 16bit color at 320x320.

The built in MP3 player is great. It even has a visiual EQ that has 3 different view. It can play mp3 in the background while you are in another application like Avantgo. The really neat trick they do is when you have the headphones in all the sounds go through them including system sounds and alarm. This is great specially if you want to play a game and you don't want to disturb the people around you. I could go on and on. The Clie is not perfect, but it is dam close.

A lot of M505 people are gonna wish they waited a bit longer once they actually see the Clie N710c in person.

RE: Sony Clie in NY
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 9:42:42 AM #
I purchased my Clie at Best Buy (1 of 2 they got in)and absolutely love it. The screen resolution is spectacular and the audio player, picture viewer, and movie player are a bonus. The only complaint I have is that the touch screen is a bit soft compared to my old Palms. The Clie is a must have.

M505 v Sony Clié PEG-N710C (short review)

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/13/2001 1:21:08 PM #
After trying the Palm M505 for a week and returning it to get the Sony Clié PEG-N710C I have some thoughts on both that I thought you might be interested in. Since Circuit City is selling them both for about the same price (with a rebate on the Clié), the price difference is not that much of a factor. Here are the differences that I've noticed so far.

Pluses for the M505

The M505 feels much more solid. The metal case makes a huge difference and the buttons in general are of a better quality. You can push the buttons with the stylus (something that is nearly impossible with the Clié) and the stylus snaps into place with a much more consistent feel. The Palm definitely feels like an updated Vx and has the same executive toy feel to it. It looks better, in my opinion, and it just feels like it won't break if you shove it into a briefcase.

The M505 is also faster. Though they both use the same processor, because the screen on the Sony has twice the resolution (or so I'm assuming) the Palm displays almost everything faster.

The Palm is thinner. It really is the size of the Vx but with color.

The M505 has a battery back up that keeps your data for about a week if the battery goes. The is not the case with the Clié, at least it's not mentioned anywhere I could find.

There are and will be a lot more accessories for the Palm. This is true with cases, etc., but Palm has announced that the SD slot will have a bunch of add on modules for GPS, MP3s, cameras, etc. Sony is still currently only using the Memory stick slot for memory increases.

Pluses for the Sony Clié

Basically everything else!

The screen on the Clié is amazing. It's not just that it's brighter (it is) and the colors are more vibrant (regardless of the lower color depth) but the higher resolution makes everything so much easier to read. After using the Clié, looking at the Palm is analogous to looking at a laptop screen that tries to interpolate a lower resolution than is standard for it's LCD screen. The fonts on the Clié are crisp, easy to read, and just make using and reading things on the screen so much nicer. The M505's screen is not bad. The colors are a bit washed out, but with the brightness on (which you basically have to get a hack to leave that on all the time or it is not readable) it is a decent enough screen. But again, it's not the brightness that ultimately sold me on the Clié, it's the resolution. I've have not had one problem with an app not running in the higher resolution and it makes everything look brilliant...even better, I would say, than the iPaq screen.

The size of the Clié, while not as thin is much narrower. To me this actually makes it feel smaller. It also feels lighter, though I don't know if this is the case.

The screen is also much more sensitive to the stylus. While the top part of the screen is a bit mushy and sometimes rough (RainX fixes this), it is much more responsive than the M505. On the M505 I almost always had to push more than once and when writing it seemed easier to loose a character because the stylus wasn't pushing hard enough.

The multimedia features, while okay, are not perfect. They are still better than the Palm's though. The ability to have video with sound rather than silent pictures is nice. The MP3s play just fine and the because of the higher resolution you can actually have a photo album that people can see.

The Clié includes a power cord that can double as a travel charger without bringing the cradle (it plugs into the back of the cradle when you want to use the cradle to hotsync). This is really cool. You can also just plug it into the Clié and use the Clié while it's plugged in, something you can't do with the Palm without buying their travel charger.

All in all, despite feeling a bit flimsier than the M505 (flimsy along the lines of the Handspring units or the M100 or even the iPaq), it still strikes me as a much more useable Palm. Now if Sony will just come out with decent accessories and a faster processor it could be the perfect Palm.

sony 710c with infrared?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2001 5:36:22 PM #
never i found info about connecting
via infrared to my handy. is there
a possibility? e-mail, sms, fax...
on sony's clie n710c?

thx for answering!

Sony Clie on NT ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/12/2001 3:40:41 AM #
After read all comments, I really want to go for Sony Clie N710C.

However, I couldn't find any description or accessories to enable connection with serial port.

Is there anybody know how to run it on Windows NT 4.0 and with serial port ?
(NT4 does not support USB)



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