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Bringing the Bluetooth short-range wireless communication standard one step closer to reality, Palm, Inc. announced today the Palm Bluetooth Card at the Bluetooth Congress 2001 in Monoco. The card, somewhat larger than a postage stamp, will allow for short-range, wireless communication between Palm handhelds and other Bluetooth-enabled devices, such as mobile phones, laptops, printers, network hubs and other handhelds.

Designed using the open industry-standard Secure Digital Input/Output (SDIO) specification, the Palm Bluetooth Card can be slipped into Palm handhelds that have the SD/MMC slot, currently the m500 and m505. The card, jointly developed by Palm and Toshiba, is expected to be available before the end of the year for $150 or less

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OI!

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 9:47:40 AM #
The M500 and 505 aren't the only Palm handhelds with an SD slot. The Handera 330 has one as well, although I don't think that it's implemented properly yet.

RE: OI!
Ed @ 6/7/2001 10:06:04 AM #
According to Palm Inc., the HandEra 330 isn't a Palm handheld, its a Palm Powered Handheld. I'm not being nit-picky, I'm just explaining why they phrased it that way. Hopefully by the time this Bluetooth card is out there will be lots of other handhelds with SD slots, too.

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RE: OI!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 1:17:57 PM #

Do we know if this card will work with the Handera?

RE: OI!
Ed @ 6/7/2001 3:41:38 PM #
There isn't enough information yet to guarantee that this will work with the H330 but I strongly suspect that it will. Palm promises that this will use the standard SDIO so it will be up to HandEra to add support for SDIO to its H330. They have promised to put out a version of OS 4.0 for the H330 and they will probably add Bluetooth and SDIO support to it at some point so it seems very, very likely.

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RE: OI!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:50:17 PM #
I have been told by HandEra folks on a couple of occasions that they will support Bluetooth. I don't know if they meant CF, SD or both though.

RE: OI!
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/19/2002 6:34:33 PM #
copy of email conversation with Handera.....

Me: 'Please advise if there is a Palm OS Bluetooth SD card available for the Handera 330 PDA'.

support at Handera's reply: 'No, we are not currently developing it.'
from
Chuck McLaughlin
Technical Support
HandEra
2859 104th Street
Des Moines, IA 50322

They did not say if they intend to support anybody else card. Cananybody else throw more light on this?

w00p!

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:00:36 AM #

Let's see your Clie do that!

RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:19:07 AM #
Read the link above before you shout. Sony announced in April. If you really like to compare, I would say Palm is a follower now rather the the trend setter. Look at Handspring, and now Sony clie.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=1781&MODE=FLAT

RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:37:43 AM #
Also, the sony bluetooth memory stick is set for release this month in japan, and selling for only $125... w00p on that!

RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 11:33:48 AM #

$125? That's pretty pricey for a device that runs a chip that is supposed to cost $10-$12 when bought in quantity. I guess that's the price of being an early adopter.



RE: w00p!
mikecane @ 6/7/2001 12:06:46 PM #
Sony might have shown a proto of a Bluetooth MS, but the actual Bluetooth device for the CLIE is a snap-on module that fits on the combo serial/USB/power port on the *bottom* of the unit, *not* the MS slot. Palm has gotten the edge.

Palm has what edge?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:09:43 PM #
Lemme get this straight:

Palm has announced a sub-$150 Bluetooth expansion card device to be available this year.
Sony has announced a sub-$150 Bluetooth expansion card device to be available this year.

Sony has also shown a clip-on Bluetooth device.
Palm has shown no other Bluetooth device.

Yet "Palm has the edge"?

RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:19:50 PM #
hmmm, I am confused by YOU again. What do you mean

"but the actual Bluetooth device for the CLIE"

The infostick is one of the 2 ways Clie can make use of bluetooth. Sony 'listened' to consumer as some would prefer a clip-on at the bottom because they want to leave MS on the MS slot. Now Sony gives us more choices and you said "Palm has the edge".

RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:23:48 PM #
Palm has show a bluetooth device at the Cebit 2001 in germany

RE: w00p!
atrizzah @ 6/7/2001 4:01:55 PM #
Why don't you guys stop bickering about it. The m505 and Clie are two different devices for different preferences. The m505 is intended more for personal information manager purposes while the Clie is more for entertainment purposes. I'm sure everyone out there has a device they prefer. I personally like the m505, but that's my opinion. Stop trying to bash what other people prefer. Try as you may, you'll probably never change anyone elses opinion. m505 has Bluetooth, Clie has Bluetooth, too, so what's the big deal?

Peace Out
Alan
RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 4:37:05 PM #
Alan: The bickering is all in the little mind of that little troll (notice he posts anonymously). Some people cannot stand it when someone else has an opinion that differs from theirs (or has an opinion that shows theirs to be uninformed or just plain stupid).

RE: w00p!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:53:44 PM #
April 04, 2001: "[Sony] have already finished the hardware and are currently developing the software." That's nice, Palm has been working on the software since last year (as well as demonstrating it) and it's likely probably the base code for what Sony is trying to use. Anyone who didn't already know Palm was going to have a SD Bluetooth card is an idiot. BTW there also has already been a clip on Bluetooth device for the Palm V demonstrated at one or more previous trade shows.

I just don't get it

Binks @ 6/7/2001 10:09:51 AM #
I just don't understand what the advantage is nor why I need to pay for it. If its like a modem or access to the internet why not just use what you already have? Does this Bluetooth actually do anything if everyone needs to own a bluetooth active device? Is it like a fax machine during its early days where it cost thousands of dollars to use until everyone adopted it. I don't see the advantage over a modem which already has problems with PDA support.

Just a thought.

RE: I just don't get it
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:27:45 AM #

The advantages are evident you can put your mobile phone in your pocket or case and connect to Internet without the incommode orientation of Infrared connection. Magic.
When printers work with bluetooth, the same (now I must place my Palm in front the printer).
I don’t agree the fact of change again and again my memory card with the Bluetooth every time I need to connect, print or hotsync. Two slots are needed.
I hope the next generation install Bluetooth inside the main board.

David from BCN



RE: I just don't get it
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 3:44:07 PM #
Try the following scenario on for size:

You're travelling with your bluetooth cellphone on your belt and a bluetooth PDA in your pocket. Wanting to check your email, you take your PDA out, launch a mail app and tap on "check mail". The PDA automatically connects to the cellphone via bluetooth, and the cellphone then connects to the 'net. The entire process (ideally) functions transparently to you, the user.

There are many benefits to this approach over current methods:

1) PDA and cellphone manufacturers are each free to do what they do best, making smaller and more focused products rather than large hybrids (e.g. the Kyocera SmartPhone)

2) No large PDA "backpack" device is required. For the last year I had an OmniSky wireless modem for my Palm Vx, and found the service to be spotty, and disliked the hassle of yet another separate monthly bill for net access. Also, with the modem attached, my Palm was no longer super-thin, which was my primary reason for selecting it.

3) The user gains the option of leaving either the cellphone or the PDA at home, depending on their needs and available space. This is not possible with integrated devices like the Kyocera, which demands that you always carry a large device, regardless of your planned needs.

4) Additional bluetooth devices could also access, and be accessed by, your bluetooth PDA and cellphone, leveraging functionality in much broader ways. For example, imagine accessing image data from a bluetooth digital camera on your PDA, and then sending it to the net via your bluetooth cellphone. Or perhaps you'd like to add more storage than your PDA supports. No problem. Just slip a bluetooth-enabled storage unit into your pocket (possibly based on compact flash hard drives like the 1 GB IBM microdrive) and get all the storage you want, wirelessly.

5) Wireless hotsyncing. When you return home, the bluetooth module on your desktop PC could automatically detect the presence of your PDA and initiate a hotsync. Never worry about forgetting to sync again.

6) NO cables or fussy IR! While some of the applications mentioned above can be done now using wired or infrared communications, the benefits and ease-of-use of having a wireless PAN (personal area network) are obvious. Ideally, the whole thing should be as transparent as possible to the user, with devices largely self-configuring themselves as they are brought into range of the user's PAN. Cool!

7) More user choice. Instead of waiting for that single portable device that integrates all the exact features that YOU want (16-bit hires color screen, SD slot, cellular, fuzzy dice and a portable quantum field generator) just pick and choose from multiple devices from multiple vendors to assemble your own bluetooth "meta-device".

Granted, all of this depends on the industry's ability to deliver compatible, affordable and secure bluetooth products - which probably won't be the case right out of the gate - but in a year or two there's no reason why the above scenarios couldn't be an everyday reality for many of us.

Support bluetooth and encourage your favorite hardware manufacturers to do so to!

- flux


RE: I just don't get it
atrizzah @ 6/7/2001 3:50:13 PM #
Yeah, Bluetooth is designed to make connecting various devices together easier. The idea is that the various manufacturers involved in the Bluetooth SIG will incorporate the chips into their products, so their various devices will be able to communicate wirelessly and automatically. Right now, the main things you will be able to do is communicate with cellphones, but soon you should be able to hotsync with a pc, print, and much more. The possibilities are endless as long as the developers keep developing new uses for it.

Peace Out
Alan
RE: I just don't get it
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 11:24:48 AM #
Don't forget the discovery mechanisms in blue tooth: Going to the airport and seeing your real time departure and gate automatically on your PDA. Same with stores showing daily specials, coupons, real-time inventory and the like. And of course, corporate intranets, which it might actually be useful.

In many ways, Bluetooth is conceptually similar to 802.11 (aka Airport, wireless ethernet) which has started to become popular. Unlike 802.11, Bluetooth is a slower, has a slower adoption rate, and is not supported in the latest operating systems, such as Windows XP.

However, I think the last point is because Microsoft doesn't want to innovate on an undeveloped standard, not because 802.11 is better. 802.11 support was added because of the impressive showing of Apple's version of 802.11 (support built into every computer being manufactured for the last year) is causing companies to demand the same ease of use built into Windows. You can drive around to various parking lots in the Bay Area and log into corporate intranets pretty easily with an Airport equipped Powerbook.

On the other hand, its not a panacea. 802.11 would need to be upgraded to 802.12 in order to support switching in cell phones (and right now the movement isn't toward that integration, but into higher speeds such as 802.11a), It lacks discovery and the hardware cost is high (around $100 for a "ready" computer and $150 for one that isn't, and that's after being out for a couple of years).

So in many ways they're for different mobile markets and thus different uses. Much like the difference between building out from airport centers (wireless "ricochet" modem) vs. building along highways (cell phone). I'm curious what the "killer app" and "killer platform" of Bluetooth is going to be in a world that will be saturated with 802.11 by then.



RE: I just don't get it
Raishe_werk @ 6/8/2001 11:52:15 AM #
ok, back in the day i used to rant and rave about the intergration of a cell fone and a pda connected via bluetooth to a small headpiece ( ala nikita). since then i have lost faith in bluetooth, it has been slow coming, i read in tech news (cnet and zdnet) that 802.11 is the more widely accepted standard. i have been effiel 65 blue about the whole thing. this may be nice, but alot of the functionality, espcially about syncin/surfin via cell fone has been around for awhile. ericsson fones have allowed you to sync via IR for awhile, i can connect via IR to my nokia 8290. i guess eventually there will be only one wireless standard and we can all look back and say 'i supported that when it first came out'.
here is an FYI on the whole thing on the 802.11 standard ( http://wireless.newsfactor.com/perl/story/10292.html ). once again big up to Ed for bringin us all this palm 411

-Raishe
"Monster Pig kills Jesus
More at 11"
RE: I just don't get it
atrizzah @ 6/8/2001 9:07:16 PM #
People don't seem to understand that Bluetooth and Wi-Fi (802.11b) aren't for the same purpose. Many people think that they are competing technologies, but they really have different intentions. Bluetooth is made for Personal Area Networking (PAN) and Wi-Fi is made for Local Area Networking. For instance, if you wanted to network multiples computers in your house or connect a device like a Palm as a part of an existing network, you would probably use Wi-Fi. In contrast, if you just want your Palm to communicate wirelessly with a computer or other device, say, for hotsyncing, you'd probably want to use Bluetooth. You probably don't need your Palm and your cellphone to turn themselves into a full network. Understandably, Wi-Fi is more expensive, larger, and consumes more power than Bluetooth because it has a different role.

Peace Out
Alan
RE: I just don't get it
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 12:49:38 PM #
The original intention of Bluetooth is cable replacement. It's expanding to PAN and the SIG is working on roaming and other network features. 802.11 is a wireless Ethernet. The battery requirement for 802.11 is not very practical for battery powered devices like PDA or cellphone.



RE: battery use
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2001 7:29:17 AM #
Apparently 802.11 hogs battery power owing to its markedly larger area coverage too (correct me if I'm wrong). Bluetooth is lightweight, very local, thus chewing less juice. So thus worth agreeing on the different usage and back away from the competition argument...

I can't wait to get my hands on the SD Bluetooth as I just got my hands on the Ericsson T39 with GPRS, but still finding myself fiddling around with getting two devices pointing at each other on a flat surface for IR...

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 10:52:57 AM #
any pictures of this item yet?

RE: Picture
Ed @ 6/7/2001 11:57:57 AM #
Trust me, when I find a picture of this thing, I'll post it.

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Bluetooth SD Card
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:25:53 PM #
The picture is righ here:

www.palmtop-pro.com/news/brnews.htm

sorry - the page is german only.
The bluetooth device is the lower left.
Boris

RE:
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:41:39 PM #
Why Not Self-contained
dstrauss @ 6/7/2001 4:10:28 PM #
I'm going to flash my ignorance here, but why can't radio devices use internal antennaes instead of stubs or other protrusions from the card. Even the "secret" M70x models a few weeks ago on the net had a large wave (hump) on the top of the unit for communication.

RE: -flux's comment
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 6:10:13 PM #
Right-on there flux. Hope that's what the manufacturers have in mind too... that's what i've always invisaged the main benefit of bluetooth!

Ben

RE: sorry
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 6:35:39 PM #
the above reply should have been to the previous thread... sorry.

About the antenae... There are phones in the UK which have internal antenae... the nokia 3210,3310,3331,8210


RE:
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 8:11:37 PM #
The links to images quoted above ARE NOT what the actual device looks like. They were artist concepts. The actual device is all black, and the top is squared off (ie the protruding bit is rectangular in share).


RE:
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/10/2001 3:57:46 PM #
Sorry to disappoint you, but the pictore of the device on the lower left in this site - http://www.palmtop-pro.com/news/brnews.htm is a GPS unit.

That is from the logo on the front and the size.

RE: Picture
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/13/2001 3:51:37 AM #
Look at this Picture:

http://www.pdafrance.com/newspics/sdbt.jpg

(this link, from a french-palm-news-site might be usable only for some day's).

RE: Palm SD Bluetooth Card
Ed @ 6/13/2001 9:07:57 AM #
Thanks, I added the picture from PDAFrance.com to the article.

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Big Deal

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 11:30:48 AM #
RE: Big Deal
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 11:35:41 AM #
Yeah, Widcomm/Acer's BlueConnect is available for several thousand $$$'s in a developer's kit - hardly the price point that the Bluetooth crowd have been crowing about. I'd love to have one of those beasties, but they just don't seem to be able to bring it out as a consumer item. Palm and Sony at least are companies that have shown they can execute an idea...

dorks

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 2:26:45 PM #
it's amazing how much people who don't understand what they are talking about have to say. Palm is announcing a fully functional bluetooth 1.1 complient product, with software completely integrated into the OS, and with full support for mutlipoint piconets, internet access, and a complete developer API to create new bluetooth apps. Go read the widcomm solution. 1. its not a real consumer product 2. its a hack, not at all well integrated into the OS. When will you people realize that its not about who had it first but about who had it right first.

RE: dorks
higgy @ 6/10/2001 1:04:53 PM #
before you lecture us, larn howe to spel.

RE: dorks
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 1:10:47 AM #
when you can post in japanesse, i'll worry about your thoughts on my english

Check here for Palm V bluetooth available now !!

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 3:13:59 PM #
Check this link...
http://www.tactel.se/products/bt/bluev/

There is also a version for 50x series, Clie and Pocket PC also.


RE: Check here for Palm V bluetooth available now !!
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2001 7:46:31 AM #
site doesn't say whether the gear is available and doesn't give one an opportunity to order it...

Looks really nice, but the site's merely a tease

Sled vs. card

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 5:12:56 PM #
Wouldn't a sled be a better idea for to hold the Bluetooth module?

It seems that by using the expansion slot on the Palm m50x you wouldn't be able to run some of the programs you might want to use Bluetooth's capabilities for. By using a sled you would still have all of the features of your PDA but with the added benefits of Bluetooth.

Just a thought.

RE: Sled vs. card
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 6:36:59 PM #
It depends. I'd like a card because I can then use a keyboard at the same time as the card. Wouldn't it be nice if you had a bluetooth enabled cell phone in your pocket/backpack and were happily checking your email?


RE: Sled vs. card
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 8:44:07 AM #
Why not also have a bluetooth keyboard?

(well, except for configuring which item it actually controls...)

RE: Sled vs. card
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 2:00:27 AM #
Because it would add to the price of the keyboard. Now you got to add a bluetooth chip to the keyboard AND a power source. Right now, almost all the programs I have are in RAM, not the MMC. The only things on the MMC are backups, dictionaries, maps, and ebooks. All of those are things I don't need every second, and I wouldn't mind swapping cards. Plus, I still have approx 2MB free RAM. Even if cost was not an issue, a bluetooth sled would add much more to the size of the m505 than a bluetooth SD card, and size is the main reason I got the m505 in the first place.


Other Palms?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2001 5:46:38 PM #
Are *any* of these companies going to develop Bluetooth solutions for those of us who didn't rush out and buy a Visor or m505?


RE: Other Palms
Ed @ 8/5/2001 7:43:55 PM #
There have been several sleds announced for the V series: This one was just last week:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2173&MODE=FLAT

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RE: Sled vs. card
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2001 7:48:26 AM #
I'm worried about the sled blowing my opportunity to plug in a standard port-keyboard (one that draws its power from the palm rather than having its own bluetooth wireless link & batteries). Do most sleds offer daisy chaining of ports?

Rohan

RE: Sled vs. card
Ed @ 8/18/2001 10:12:24 AM #
So far, I don't know of any product that allows the user to have both a keyboard and some other function operating simultaneously through the serial port. People have been asking for years for a modem and keyboard combination. Currently, this is only available to owners of the HandEra or Handspring models who can use CF or Springboard modems.

This is one of the reasons many owners of Palm-branded handhelds are waiting impatiently for all kinds of SD I/O peripherals, not just this Bluetooth one.

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RE: Sled vs. card
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/9/2001 1:51:22 AM #
Hey ED, you just posted 2 up about a palm V Vx sled. I just read it and it have a serial port on the back to connect to the cradel. if it can connect to the cradle, then it can certainly connect to a keyboard, and if you have a blootooth enabled cellphone, you also have a modem.

The Peripherals Come in 2 by 2

mondo @ 6/7/2001 6:42:06 PM #
It seems that my poor old desktop at home is having to deal with a host of peripherals -
- 2 printers
- 2 scanners
- 2 Palm cradles (one for my m500 and one for partners V)
- 2 speakers
- 2 input devices (kbd and mouse)

I already have a USB hub hanging off the thing, plus a USB-Serial adapter (for the V).

I don't mind the peripherals. Its the wires in, under and around the desk that my feet get caught on, and which I am sure drive my girlfriend crazy.

Bring it on as far as I'm concerned.

R U illiterate?!?

ryhunter@onebox.com @ 6/8/2001 12:07:52 AM #
There is a link below the story that said Sony is "developing bluetooth memory stick." And guess what, the clie supports *memory sticks*.

3 Stupid Questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 6:03:11 AM #
1. What happened to that bluetooth hardshell case that was on here a few weeks back?

2. Are there any cellular phones that use bluetooth that are available in the US? (I think Motorola has a timeport and Ericsson has an R-something... but I'm not sure.)

3. Will these systems (cell phone <-> palm) be compatible out of the box?

RE: 3 Stupid Questions
Raishe_werk @ 6/8/2001 12:06:04 PM #
most fones (nokia and ericsson) with IR port will connect to palm. you may need to get software but they should work. it also depends where you are, in US i think its a little harder cause the 6000 series nokia has no functioning IR port in the states ( i spent an hour on the fone with my provider and finally nokia usa to find that out). i am not sure about 5000 series. i know the IR port does work on my 8290 (thanks to cingular wireless).

-Raishe
"Monster Pig kills Jesus
More at 11"
RE: 3 Stupid Questions
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2001 7:51:07 AM #
Try the ericsson T39- it's tri-band GSM with GPRS & bluetooth- and should work in most American cities. But judging by my last visit tot he states it doesn't appear they sell many GSM phones in the stores- let alone the range offered by Ericsson.. so you may need to ask one of your friends abroad to bring one back for you.

Rohan

RE: 3 Stupid Questions
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/7/2001 8:46:36 PM #
I cannot disclose the name of the company yet, but there IS a US company developing a BT retrofit for existing phones, such as StarTac, Sanyo, Nokia, Samsung, etc.

May never see the light of day.

Dan @ 6/8/2001 1:33:38 PM #
If bluetooth ever does come out I don't think it will ever really catch on. Computer networks already do the same thing, I don't see widespread advantage to wireless.
RE: May never see the light of day.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 2:42:59 PM #
I would just like to point out that there are almost no divices that use bluetooth technology. every one is raving about how convienient it would be to have a wireless PAN in your office of jacket pockets, but you need something besides a bluetooth enabled PDA to check the internet. you also need a BLUETOOTH ENABLED CELL PHONE! For a houshold PAN, you need a bluetooth enabled desktop PC of Mac, which, unfortunatly, don't exsist yet. You would also need a bluetooth enabled printer to print wirelessly, and, Oh ya, bluetooth enabled keyboard, speakers, moniter, scanner, and maybe a thousand other expensive goodies in order to have your Oh so important PAN. and right now, the most important thing, is were the bluetooth moduel for the palm enabled PDA is. Let the rest of the world catch up.

My 2 cents,
Eric Guaquil

RE: May never see the light of day.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 3:48:03 PM #
http://www.xircom.com/cda/page/0,1298,0-0-1_1-1634,00.html

Xircom's Bluetooth products for a PAN network. Right now, they've got stuff for Handsprings, laptops, PCs and even for Pocket PC. Now when Palm comes out with their Bluetooth SD card, we too can ride and enjoy the PAN bandwagon!

RE: May never see the light of day.
atrizzah @ 6/8/2001 9:27:03 PM #
You misunderstand the idea of a personal area network. Personal area networks are for your personal area, hence their name. If I recall correctly, they only communicate about 15 feet. You wouldn't have a Bluetooth network in your house because Bluetooth is for personal area networks, not local area networks.

On another note, although Bluetooth has been slow to catch on, I'm sure that as long as companies such as Palm and Sony begin to release Bluetooth devices, it will continue to catch on. All it takes is for one cellphone manufacture to add it to their phones for the rest to be forced to include it or be left behind. In the mean time, we can still use Bluetooth for multiple Palms to communicate with each other wirelessly and without line of sight.

Peace Out
Alan

RE: May never see the light of day.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 2:04:09 PM #
$$$$$$$$

Eric Guaquil

Evidence?

Lim Meng Shi @ 6/9/2001 9:16:36 PM #
Where is your evidence that the SD slot in the HandEra 330 is not properly implemented?

launch in India

R R Kenkäré @ 6/11/2001 10:43:16 AM #
when will m505 & Bluetooth SD Card be launched in India?

Startac & m505 in the USA ?

MarkintheUSA @ 6/11/2001 1:08:13 PM #
Can the Startac & m505 go wireless in the USA?

Size might matter

mondo @ 6/21/2001 9:32:41 PM #
Looking at a photo I saw of the Palm (Toshiba?) BT SD card, it appears that it is longer than a standard SD card, and would actually jut out past the end of the Palm unit. The photo on the story page gives the same appearance.

Therefore I wonder if this might actually be prone to being broken off whilst in situ.

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RE: Size might matter
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2001 7:55:35 AM #
I get the impression that pic was just a photoshop fantasy editing job, but I may be wrong... One would assume the card will fit flush to the device.. or, more regrettably, it may have some kind of jutting out dongle thingie if they don't find a way of cramming the bluetooth stuff into the SD form factor..

In either case, the specialists handling ergonomics will surely ensure the card is not likely to snap off or click out when its host device is shoved into the jean pocket behind its owner's wallet..

Rohan

You could be smarter (rhymes with the previous topic)
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/6/2001 8:46:04 AM #
Come on guys. Wake up to the real world.

1) ~$150... add the cost of the m505... and you have a "really-expensive-pda-for-no-reason" that can be connected with a cell phone but does not INCLUDE one (at this price!) AND eats up the ONLY expansion slot.

2) this is why toshiba did not get "afraid" to implement it (since they make their own antagonistic PDA)... you see you don't need to be really smart to understand that in no time toshiba will have the peripheral ready for use in their 550/570 series... doing the same, for about the same price, with a more powerful PDA AND leaving one expansion slot empty... (and also striking the new hi-end iPAQ which has bt AND an empty slot also)

this is a lose-lose situation nice (or maybe "fascinating") just for the existing palm users' eyes...

as simple as that



M500 Serial Cradle

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/13/2002 12:57:41 PM #
It is crazy! Does anyone know when Palm will have M500/M505 SERIAL Cradles? thanks!

where can I buy the Palm Bluetooth card?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/19/2002 6:26:18 PM #
I have a Handera 330 and an Ericsson T39 phone. Will the palm Bluetooth card work with the handera (Palm OS 3.5)?

where can I buy the Palm Bluetooth card?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/19/2002 6:26:18 PM #
I have a Handera 330 and an Ericsson T39 phone. Will the palm Bluetooth card work with the handera (Palm OS 3.5)?

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