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A source known only as Steve-O has provided a datasheet with a fairly complete picture of the upcoming Palm m125. The device will have a 33 MHz Dragonball VZ processor and 8 MB of RAM. The U.S. version will have 2 MB of mask ROM and the international version will have 4 MB. The use of mask ROM rather than flash ROM means the OS can't be fully upgraded.

As discussed earlier, it will have an SD expansion slot and use Palm's Universal Connector. The m125 will cost $250 and should be available near August 24.

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Still not price competitive

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 10:29:34 AM #
I still thinking that the Sony 320 at $199 is a better deal. great backlit screen and memory stick is really taking off.

RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 10:53:37 AM #
Oh, cause you've seen the backlit screeen of an m125 so that you can make that type of judgment on why you'd prefer the Sony huh?

RE: Still not price competitive
Coyote67 @ 8/10/2001 11:00:46 AM #
ok, memory stick is really taking off? Huh? Its in the same place it was when memory sticks came out BLAH years ago. Show me one memorystick device that works in the clie and is out on the market. Then again, same thing with SD. SD is pretty much invisible. Memory stick is only being used for...well memory. The only viable expansion right now is Springboard and compactflash, with springboard in the #1 spot. Maybe in a year or two we'll see sd modules out.

Btw, at PCexpo, I asked ALL the sony reps if they had any memorystick non memory modules in development, and they all said they aren't aware of any. Sounds like memorystick will just end up on the shelf of different flash memory.

OH my god...becky, look at her....Prism.

RE: Still not price competitive
Tzaar @ 8/10/2001 11:23:35 AM #
he's talking about the screen in general, I would suppose. And what else would you use a memory stick for if not memory? A small stick sized vibrator that would slip into your clie? (That would be for a silent alarm, guys, not sexual pleasure).

Expansion Card I/O
Ed @ 8/10/2001 11:34:45 AM #
Expect input/output devices in both the SD and MemStick format in the next six months.

Sony absolutely will not discuss unannounced products, at least not with the likes of me. All I can get from the Sony rep was that they are on track to release some MemStick peripherals this year and some next year.

Palm has been showing off that group of SD prototypes for many moons. They are waiting for the SD Assoc. to approve the SDIO standard and then they will begin to appear. The Bluetooth one will almost certainly be first.

In the expansion card I/O peripheral race, I'd say both companies are neck and neck.

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RE: Still not price competitive
Pepper @ 8/10/2001 11:37:54 AM #
You can do lots with them if you develop in i/o standard. There can be bluetooth, modems, barcode scanners, almost anything you could imagine

-Pepper

BTW: don't take "anything" in the literal sense, please

I love my Palm . . . do you?

RE: Still not price competitive
AriB @ 8/10/2001 11:43:51 AM #
too bad springboard is too big (look at the Edge), isn't great for memory expansion and no interoperability between other consumer devices such as digital cameras or other Palms. But I have to admit there's a lot of cool things you can do with a springboard including a CF adapter. Maybe we'll see an SD adapter for it too

RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 11:51:16 AM #
No, I don't love your Palm

Speaking of MemorySticks...
rsuplido @ 8/10/2001 11:57:04 AM #
Speaking of memorysticks, a friend of told me that there is a Sony USB Optical Mouse/MemoryStick Reader at Circuit City. I went to the site and found it cool. I figured I can use one in the office so I can copy
prc/pdb files to the memory stick and then move them to my Clie. Of course it can also act as a high capacity drive to trasfer off an to the memorystick. It costs $90 and can work with the Mac. I know it's
more expensive than getting a Travel Kit but if you are into getting a new optical mouse, i think with the memorystick reader, it's a good bundle. It's made by Sony so I would assume that it could read future higher capacity memorysticks (some Mac users have reported that they can't read 128MB memorysticks on a generic reader).

Here's the link: http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php?S22415A0

Regards.

Reggie

PS: If a few more of my office co-workers would get the same mouse, then we can replace floppies and use memorysticks to share large files. :)

RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 12:31:56 PM #
People Keep saying that teh Springboard slot is big. I wonder what a peripheral for the tiny SD and Memory Stick slots will look it? I bet any money that they will make the unit much bigger than they are. Look for sleds galore. Think the Edge connector is an eyesore? You ain't see nuttin yet folks.



RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 12:44:37 PM #
Slightly off topic: The wait for standards will probably take a loooong time. (Just look at the V90 standard for Modem, it tooks year before they finally agree on the standard) Maybe by then, we would have Palm OS 5.0 and ARMS processors for Palms.

RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 1:04:43 PM #
Well, it won't be too wise to bet your money especially when photos of the peripherals are available! For example, both BlueTooth SD and Memory Stick modules have been announced completed with photos of the final products. Both are small and does not add any bulk to the PDA.



RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 2:45:55 PM #
Got links to those photos?

RE: Still not price competitive
Ed @ 8/10/2001 2:57:18 PM #
Article with picture of Bluetooth SD card:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=1993

Article with picture of Bluetooth MemStick card:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=1781

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RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 3:15:38 PM #
Thanks for the links....however, the are just Bluetooth devices. How about a modem, or MP3 player, or a digital camera? These will most likely be sled devices....if not, I will be truely amazed : )

RE: More Peripherals
Ed @ 8/10/2001 3:51:44 PM #
In addition to the Bluetooth Infostick covered recently, Sony has also developed working prototypes of digital camera, GPS and fingerprint recognition modules
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=1778

Here's the article that talks about the non-working mock-ups of planned SD devices:
view_Story.asp?ID=1541&MODE=FLAT



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RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 4:04:57 PM #
If the m125 has a different screen to the m100 and m105 I'll eat my Eyemodule.

RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 6:50:52 PM #
Sony has had working prototypes for non-memory Memory Stick modules since last November. They were showing off a working prototype for a Memory Stick digital camera at the last Comdex show.

Sony is a VERY large corporation composed of independent companies and divisions; if you ask a random group of Sony representatives about products that they are not directly involved with, they probably don't know any more about it than you do.

RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 2:19:32 PM #
I was at Comdex last year in (Lost) Vegas and I saw all sorts of Sony MS modules. They had (behind the glass) digital camera MS modules, MP3 MS module, GPS MS module, FM radio MS module, and something else I can't remember, but they all looked pretty cool!

BUT, the COOLEST module that they had been working on in one of their R/D divisions that they (Sony rep) was showing off on the floor was the "Thumb-Print Scanner" MS module!

Yes, you read correctly - Sony was displaying a working prototype of a "Thumb-Print Scanner" MS module. The use of this MS modules course would be for security purposes - IE you couln't use the Sony Clie without it first recognizing your thumb-print. Other uses could involve securing documents, private records, etc.

What amazed me was that this MS module was a working! Sony reps had to modify the CLIE that they were using in order for it to accept the module, but it was exactly the same lenght and width as a standard MS module. The only thing I wasn't too thrilled about was that they now had a copy of my thumb-print - who knows what they might use that for! :) Conspiracy Theories abound!

On a last note, the Sony rep also showed me and other Industry reps about how Sony was working on a SMALLER MS module - 1/2 the lenght of the current MS modules - basically an MMC/SD module - that was/is to be there FUTURE MS module sizes. They even had an adapter created so one could use these new MS modules in the older style (read current style) MS module compatable CLIE and Sony laptops.

All in all, I was pretty impressed with what Sony was displaying and working on, and had working for the show (Comdex). I stopped by the Palm area, but all they had were the standard MMC/SD modules we've seen here on PIC - the GPS, Digital Camera, Electronic Screwdriver SD modules, etx... :{ - NO working modules to play with - what a bummer!

But the best thing about ALL of this is that ALL these things are being developed on the PALM OS platform. Gosh everyone, Be Happy!

Peace - Dave Adonius

RE: Fingerprint module
Ed @ 8/12/2001 3:49:51 PM #
If you want to learn more, here's a link to an article on the fingerprint recognition module, including a picture:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=1778

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RE: Still not price competitive
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/13/2001 7:29:55 AM #
well, samsung has licensed memory stick technology. so we will hopefully have 3 players (sony, lexus/lexar/lex-something, and samsung).

we might see cheaper msticks with competitive prices. (even with the new sony pricecuts..)

here in the UK its still like 2squid for a 1mb... so 648mb stick cost about 120squid...

(i just need to finish hacking Mstick support for Frotz mmmm and add mstick support to Sarien... mmm kingsquest 4 agi on memory stick on a palm! yay!)

-df

RE: Still not price competitive
mikecane @ 8/14/2001 9:41:13 AM #
Thank you, Reggie, for using http://www.makeashorterlink.com -- more people should!

The "half-sized" Memory Stick is called the Memory Stick DUO. It will probably replace current MSs in the years to come, so SD will lose one of its main features: smaller form factor. It is difficult to imagine storage getting smaller than MMC/SD/DUO size. Too easy to lose!

Lead Weights

Nate @ 8/10/2001 11:12:14 AM #
At 6+ oz., I'm thinking that they must have put lead weights in this thing just to make sure there was some reason to buy the m500 for $400, instead of the m125 for $150 less.

Palm needs to reduce the price of the m500. Perhaps they were expecting a repeat of the days when a mono unit could generate juge hype and profit for them, but those days are over, as Handspring found out. Drop the price to $300, and take the lead weights out of the m125.

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Syncplicity. Redefining Simple. www.cognitiveroot.com

RE: Lead Weights
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 11:36:17 AM #
what's "juge hype"!?!?!! Is it when you get a bunch of up-tight people being payed by the gvernment together and make em REALLY happy? you know, judge hype


RE: Lead Weights
Nate @ 8/10/2001 12:35:12 PM #
it's an aspirated "j", like in spanish...

"If you really want to, you can practice Esperanto, but in the land of pronto, the wind it tastes like gasoline." - Frank Black, Llano del Rio.

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RE: Lead Weights
Lara @ 8/10/2001 1:17:25 PM #
"what's "juge hype"!?!?!! Is it when you get a bunch of up-tight people being payed by the gvernment together and make em REALLY happy? you know, judge hype"

Your attempt in humor and valid argument is quite pathetic...

As newer palms come out and as they all include a colored screen, universal connector and expansion capabilities the only main difference is form. It should be quite interesting how the m125 will look like. I doubt it will be the skywalker prototype although many indications point to that.

One aspect of the m125 which is discouraging is the fact that it broke the 6 oz barrier. The last time Palm came out with a unit over 6 oz was the IIIc. On the palm timeline that was eons ago. I know we are just talking about ounces but these things are suppose to get lighter not heavier...


RE: Lead Weights
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 7:26:56 PM #
You misread the article. It says, "It will be 4.7 by 3.1 by .7 inches and weigh 6.1 oz." The original m100 weighs 4.4 oz.

Where's the Datasheet w/ Pictures?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 11:52:06 AM #
Can somebody give me a link to the datasheet with the pictures of this new palm?

RE: Where's the Datasheet w/ Pictures?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 12:06:24 PM #
It's still a rumor.

It's not a rumor folks

Edd @ 8/10/2001 1:06:47 PM #
M125 is coming out soon. Staples has that in the inventory system already, priced at $249.999

typo
Edd @ 8/10/2001 1:07:50 PM #
Oops.. Sorry it's $249.99 :)

RE: It's not a rumor folks
Edd @ 8/10/2001 1:32:13 PM #
Internal inventory system (not external). :) That means we have the SKU and when the product shipped, it's ready to go!

RE: It's not a rumor folks
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 2:07:50 PM #
What's the SKU?

RE: It's not a rumor folks
Edd @ 8/10/2001 2:37:23 PM #
I'll let you know. And it should be launch 10 days from now.

RE: It's not a rumor folks
Ed @ 8/13/2001 9:58:04 AM #
The Register is saying they have "sources close to a big US electronics retailer" that have confirmed these details on the m125

www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20965.html

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RE: It's not a rumor folks
Edd @ 8/14/2001 1:23:41 AM #
Please correct me if I'm wrong but 9/24 is probably the launch date in UK.

More of the same.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 2:50:06 PM #
m125, m505, m-whatever...

aren't they all the same? why can't we have something radically different and exciting? Ok, the price is great, but for ...helllooooo....we want more memory? you know, bigger app, music and stuff?

Attention Kmart buyer

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 3:02:49 PM #
attention Kmart buyer, there is a blue light special on PDA today, a dirt cheap whatchamacalit PDA, it's great for todo list and agenda. All for $99. We have also watermelon and can of pepsi for 99c.

(Is it me or this product is geared toward non gear head to push SD card? Does anybody care? This model is going directly to Walmart discount bin along with disposable calculators)

Blooth and GPRS support in Palm?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 4:15:10 PM #
Hi, I'm thinking about getting a Palm. Does anyone know which Palm supports both Blooth and GPRS?

Thanks.

John.

RE: Blooth and GPRS support in Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 9:39:32 PM #
None. There are upcoming or already available BlueTooth sled and wireless "sleds" for the Palm V, and any Palm could hook up to a GPRS phone with cable or IR, but there is no Palm (or any handheld that I know of) that has either or both built in. BlueTooth cards will be out very soon, but if wireless is what you're looking for, the PocketPC platform will have it first.

RE: Blooth and GPRS support in Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 3:57:46 AM #
The company nova media will have a GPRS / HSCSD Software ready for the palm m5x series shortly. It should work on the 125 as well.

In addition youŽll only need a mobile phone supporting HSCSD or GPRS like the Nokia 6210, 6310, Ericsson T39, RM 520, Siemens S40, S42, S45 and some Motorola phones.

This means you will have wireless connection speeds up to 28.8 kbit/s and more, depending on the network operator.

www.novamedia.de
www.ubishop.de

RE: Blooth and GPRS support in Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/12/2001 10:58:17 AM #
no

it's not a great value

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 4:26:24 PM #
At $250, it's not a great value. You can get an iPaq for $160, which a much bigger screen and more memory. Palm needs to come out with some actual new products rather than warming over the same sluggish platform over and over again.

RE: it's not a great value
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 4:30:03 PM #
$160?????

RE: it's not a great value
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 4:41:19 PM #
to be perfectly fair, it's end of product cycle sale. But it's still a great product, considering it is upgradable and has longer usefull life than any new Palm device using Os 4.0.

RE: it's not a great value
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 6:03:39 PM #
S/he means the monochrome version, which I think has only 16 megs of RAM. Not a bad deal tho, if you can stomach the OS.

RE: it's not a great value
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 9:15:23 PM #
i say chop them all down to $100 and stop whining

RE: it's not a great value
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 10:14:58 PM #
Hey, while you're at it chop all the coloured devices to $250, willya? ;)

I think Sony will be forced to......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 5:46:10 PM #
raise the price of Clie S320 to $290.

Look at what is happening here!!! It used to be that Palm came up with a new model and priced it very high and then other companies introduced a better model and priced it equally or lower, then Palm was forced to cut the price in order to compete. Now the situation is going crazier, Sony has a model (probably equivalent) and Palm is introducing a new model which is not (potentially) better but price 25% higher........

What da heck, Palm can cut the price anytime, just those beta testers wasting money!!!

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
itai195 @ 8/10/2001 6:49:15 PM #
And just why would they have to do that?

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 9:39:29 PM #
What do u mean by 'forced'? By market forces or literally forced by Palm because Palm cannot offer anything below $100?

The first possibility ifnot likely as no market will want to pay more. Second is not likely too as I do not believe Palm will or can force Sony to raise (or lower) their pricing. Remember Sony is not a subsidiary of Palm and it is a giant.

Back to m125, I really do not understand why Palm want to price it at more than $200 (if the rumour is true), it will be another mistake. I think Sony S320 is better - 4M ROM, smaller, lighter and it is cheaper. Of cause, it is still a rumour.

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 9:54:43 PM #
Before I get any flames, let me re-phrase

"IMO I think Sony S320 is more competitive - 4M ROM, smaller, lighter and it is cheaper."

Better may sound offensive to some people.

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2001 9:58:44 PM #
Hey hey,

I was just sarcastic, don't you guys have any sense of humor?

It is beyond my intelligence that why Palm dare price the new model 25% higher than a better model (Sony S320) which has been on the shelf.

If Palm really prices m125 at $250, Sony can just raise the price of S320 to $250-$290.

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 2:30:23 AM #
a little but slow ... ;-)

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 8:34:44 AM #
because that Sony isn't really on Palm's radar screen. It's almost like a Palm 'clone.' The newer hi-res Clie's on the other hand are more exciting and Palm will have to deal with them at some point.
AriB

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 1:37:39 PM #
I still don't get why they'd have to raise the price of the Clie. If they keep it cheaper then more money for Sony.

And this new m125 runs off of AAAs? The Clie is rechargeable, which is a reason to get the Clie already!

RE: I think Sony will be forced to......
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/12/2001 11:01:34 AM #
Sony uses palm os but is modifyed

Go ahead - Make Palm's Day

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 1:16:10 AM #
I fail to see the usefullness of posting leaks. It's just going to compound the inventory problems and diminish Palm's financial health. The fact that another site might post it is no excuse. Excersize editorial judgment.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
stormrider @ 8/11/2001 2:10:59 AM #
"Exercise" proper English.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 7:27:21 AM #
1. Don't make fun of people's not so perfect English. There are a lot of Palm-users from other countries, and there is absolutely no need to discourage them.

2. I agree with the previous poster: There was a lot of critisism of how badly Palm failed with the introduction of the m500 series. And it seems that everyone agrees that the leaked info was one of the reason for this. Okay, they have leaks, but is it necessary to make it worse by making this info publicly available? Steven-O couldn't keep his mouth shut, but PIC could excersise good judgement.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 7:37:47 AM #
It's unfortunate that Palm worsens its inventory problems. The m125 simply fails to introduce innovation. It's another hack job. What is there to hide? The worst Ed did, was save the wallets of smart shoppers.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 9:41:16 AM #
You're blaming Palm's problems on PalmInfoCenter? Sheesh, talk about shooting the messenger. Besides, while I love reading the news, tips, rumors, and everything else that's posted here, I think you're kind of over-estimating this websites importance.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 9:47:08 AM #
I'm employed by a large corporation with 3000 plus Palm handhelds installed. When we were considering standardizing on the Microsoft mobile platform, we were given advance details on the m125 and the m700. Its all under a NDA so I can't reveal anything but Palm is already giving these details out to its largest customers so I don't see any harm in the average Joe knowing them, too.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
wilco @ 8/11/2001 9:55:41 AM #
On bad English.: it's probably a typographical error. Besides what's important is the message is clear. I believe Ed had already justified his leaked info with a reply to a previous column. http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2200&MODE=FLAT#18737 scroll down to 'RE: RUMOUR: PIC to be sued over posting of Palm rumours!' to find his reply. On the other hand, it probably won't impact Palm as much. It seems the m125 launch in near anyway and the impact will not be as much as the preannouncement of the m50x, unless Palm botched up again and had hardware problems prior to launch like what happened with the m50x.
But I believe if the specs are correct, it only goes to show Palm is not tuned to what the market wants. SD expansion for low end devices is not gonna sell Palms. SD cards only drive up the cost of the unit. Furthermore the Cards aren't user-friendly. To get the most out of them you have to install Powerrun/McFile or other utility, which most novice users are not familiar with. Maybe they should just include 16MB RAM (Flash RAMs are a lot cheaper now).

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 10:00:57 AM #
The perfect Palm
wilco @ 8/11/2001 10:14:36 AM #
Since a lot users are bashing Palm for doing a bad job designing their products, maybe a thread on what we consider a perfect product can help Palm. I read somewhere that Palm's Michael Mace is a frequent reader of this column so our opinions may influence their future product designs. Of course we had to bear in mind the limitation of Palm OS 4.0.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
Pepper @ 8/11/2001 10:40:56 AM #
There is already a dscussion in the forums about the perfect palm. It's n the palm catagory and its called palm wishlist

-Pepper

I love my Palm . . . do you?

RE: The perfect palm
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 10:54:22 AM #
RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
wilco @ 8/11/2001 11:34:42 AM #
OOps, goes to show I had not been to the forums lately. Still, from the leaked info(if they are right), it seems few if any of the wish list items are implemented in m125.

this won't do any harm
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 6:19:41 PM #
The m125 specs are so underwhelming and the price is so high that people would be foolish to wait for it. More likely, they'll just go out and buy a Sony instead.


In any case, if leaks cause people to wait for a new product that only means one thing: they current product is overpriced for the functionality it offers. But we already know that anyway...

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 4:13:16 AM #
Rationalize all you want, the point is we have journalism messing with the palm economy in a decidedly detrimental way. How would PIC feel if every user-post included a tagline to www.adblocker.com to effectively "inform" users that it's not necessary to view ad banners such as what PIC derives income from? How would they pay for those 2 million page views / month without ad revenue?

If I were Plenipotentiary, I would want to foster an atmosphere of mutual good will with Palm, Inc. You're not going to see a Ziff Davis publication scour the web and publish examples of how to bypass the activation routines in the XP family of Microsoft products.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
wilco @ 8/12/2001 10:28:53 AM #
It all depends. Bypassing XP activation is promoting piracy. Blocking ads isn't. In fact there are plenty of ad blocking shareware/freeware on ZDnet (or its parent Cnet) download sites. But the fact is Scoops/Rumours especially if consistently proven true spur web views and which in turn promote clickthroughs. In the end it is striking the delicate balance between publishing advance info and keeping it secret that PIC had to decide on. Besides, blaming the press (about unreleased products) for the sharp decline is sales is baseless. The m50x debacle is Palm's own making (They had to delay the product after launching the product because of late minute hardware problems). Handspring's Edge was reported on only a few days before launch and they suffered the same fate as Palm. Sony CLIE on the other hand seems to have benefitted from prelaunch hype. In the end, it's the product that mattered.

RE: Go ahead - Make Palm's Day
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 12:08:59 PM #
Do you really think that an organization such as Palm doea not expect and plan for leaks? It is not uncommon for major corporations to plant rumors a few weeks ahead of launch to build momentum for their new product. Palm's problems have nothing to do with curious users like us. Peolple who spend time surfing non-company pages (like this one) are A. Informed enough to make a descion based on their needs, and B. Intending to spend money. Leaks increase sales, this is a fact.
With regard to the leaks of the m50x series. I saw the leaks, I put a picture of the m505 on my desktop in Feb.(?) and when they came out in May I bought the first one Best Buy received. I took it back two days later because of the screen (not just brightness, but the reflectivity problems with gray and yellow clouds over any white background). I bought a Prism after that.
Palm's problems are are the result of their own tunnel vision.

Geared toward ...

dragon Aka sinbad @ 8/11/2001 3:31:56 PM #
Seems this (M125 as all the 100's) are for entry level users. But-$260? 'try $160-80 at most.
Man whats-up with Palm? No new
products, just rehash!
RE: Geared toward ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/11/2001 7:09:51 PM #
yeah, this thing is a joke.

RE: Geared toward ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 12:21:10 PM #
Maybe they should put a bottle opener on it ;)

RE: And Sony Too
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 12:37:32 PM #
I agree and the Sony 320 is the same. Its just the 300 with OS 4 and a new case. Where's the new stuff?

RE: Geared toward ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 12:56:17 PM #
I just heard from a souce in palm now that the M700 will be delayed for some reason now. I didn't hear a reason why. Has anyone heard this also?

RE: Geared toward ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 1:31:39 PM #
I heard Martians stole the blueprints and then destroyed Palm's secret manufacturing facility at the North Pole. I didn't hear a reason why. Has anyone heard this also?

RE: Geared toward ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/12/2001 6:59:18 PM #
re: "I agree and the Sony 320 is the same. Its just the 300 with OS 4 and a new case. Where's the new stuff?"

The big thing that's new is the much lower price. The Clie 300 retailed at more than $300. The 320 also has a faster processor. It's a common strategy for companies to innovate with new features at the high-end and move them down to lower-end products over time. I view the 320 as a fairly aggressive move on Sony's part taking it's price into consideration.

Does anyone even care anymore?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/13/2001 12:12:55 AM #
Seriously, is anyone even excited about this device? It hasn't even been released yet, and I'm already dissappointed. The same old specs, the same old processor, the same old amount of RAM, the same old 160x160 display. And I should be excited why?

Who cares! Palm going to go under at this rate. They've lost it.

Good For What It Does
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/13/2001 9:28:33 AM #
This is a low- to mid-range device. The only new features products in this category get are ones that have already been on high-end ones. To make an anology, when was the last time Honda added a never before seen feature to the Civic? Probably never. The Sony S320 is the same way. No new features. Low-end models don't create a lot of excitement. But they sell well to people who aren't any of us.

If your on this site, you already have a high-end model or are going to buy one. If your excited about the m125, your slumming.

I'm not excited about it either. It doesn't compare well at all to my m505 but its going to be $200 cheaper and that will make a lot of people like it. Just not you or me.

i care
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/13/2001 9:51:37 AM #
m125 is as expandable as the m500 but costs half as much. low cost and rugged, makes it a good first palm for students.

RE: Does anyone even care anymore?
twizza @ 8/13/2001 3:57:38 PM #
i agree

RE: Does anyone even care anymore?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/13/2001 8:37:26 PM #
I don't think people buying in this category care about the slot(s). A nicer looking handera without the slots would kill this model.

This is extremely stupid.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 9:39:51 AM #
Why are all you people bashing Palm all the time? The m50x series JUST CAME OUT, and it's an EXCELLENT device for a business user.

-Color
-Light
-Good Battery Life
-USB
-Expandable
-Support for SD Devices
-Rugged
-Stylish

WTF are you all complaining about? Honest to god I swear you could give some people a new BMW for free and thay'd bitch about the color of the buttons on the radio.

RE: This is extremely stupid.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 11:07:37 AM #
Thank You!

RE: This is extremely stupid.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 1:47:57 PM #
I think the main reason people are complaining is because you would expect them to have a product more competitive. If Sony's Clie S320 at $200 competes with Palm's M500 at $400, you would expect Palm to release something to compete more with the Clie. Same goes for the color models.
I think that if the "m125" was rechargeable then it wouldn't be half bad, since sometimes I get the diehard Palm customers that would pay an extra $50 for the name. (I work @ Office Depot) But paying another $50 for expansion and a universal connector....get the Sony and save $50.

Palm 125

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2001 2:47:00 PM #
Hi! my name is Fabiola and I'm from Argentina. I want to now how can I do for bay to new Palm when it by in the marquet. I thank you for send information to fabiolanasca@hotmail.com. thank

RE: Palm 125
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/12/2001 11:09:40 AM #
Check palm.com for release then purchase on line

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