Comments on: Sony Officially Announces N760C, MP3 Adapter

As has been rumored for weeks, Sony officially announced the PEG-N760C today. This is the upgraded version of the now-discontinued N710C. The major change is it now includes Palm OS 4.1 rather than the OS 3.5. This means its screen has 16-bit color.

It can be pre-ordered now from the SonyStyle webstore for $500. It will be available from there and from retail stores in October.

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Haleluea (?)

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 2:12:18 PM #
Finaly! Is it just me or do I hear church bells ringing?!?!?

Now the next holy event will be when it comes out in Canada!


RE: Haleluea (?)
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 7:37:08 PM #
don't hold your breath for that one.
I checked with the Sony store in Windsor about 2 weeks ago and they don't have any of they Clies. They never did, and have no potential date for release in Canada

Canada's Clie's
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 9:02:02 PM #
What I meant was it would be a miracle if it came out in Canada.

The closest thing that Canada's gonna get to a Clie is the PEG-S320. It's the cover picture of the fall magazine.

Oh well, I guess you can smuggle one across the border:)

RE: Haleluea (?)
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 2:10:15 AM #
according to a friend and employee of a sony store .. the clie will be carried within a few weeks [lets say a month] in canada .. there will be a color one [the 760 i guess] and the s320

710 Owner Here

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 2:18:42 PM #
...this pisses me off. That is all.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 3:00:59 PM #
What pisses me off is SOBs who don't appreciate what they have and buy into things they don't do enough research about. You KNEW what you were buying. And what's wrong with your 710c? Besides the 16K colors, nothing!

Come on people, let's be patient here. There WILL be an OS 4. It does no good to whine endlessly about something just because you don't have the patience for it.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 3:36:47 PM #
... and when you DO get your precious 4.0 update, you're going to be woefully disappointed. The one biggest factor is 16-bit vs. 8-bit. I've shown many people identical pictures converted to these formats on my 610, and few noticed any difference at all.
The amount and volume of people upset about this whole 4.0 thing, without even knowing what Sony has planned, is what makes me sick.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 3:52:30 PM #
Whenever I buy a product and then an upgraded product is announced, of course my pride is wounded -- I'm no longer on the 'cutting edge.' You have to keep perspective though, because the cutting edge is a moving target, and at some point you have to say

"I am still as happy with my 710c as I was a month ago. I would be even happier if I had a 760c, but that would mean that I would not have had a 710c for the last 3 months. Given the waiting period needed to obtain a 760c, I am glad I bought my 710c when I did."

And to make a purchase today -- a purchase of anything -- you have to realize that there may be a new product announced tomorrow, and you have to accept that the benefit of owning today's product now outweighs the detriment of continuing to today's product when tomorrow's product is on the shelves.

I bought a new car last year, and the dealer has no intention of giving me a discount on an 'upgrade' to this year's model. But man, I still love my car!

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 3:52:56 PM #
If this OS4.0 upgrade pisses you off, I would suggest that you do not buy a sony product. Sony innovates ALL the time, new products come out faster than any electronic companies. If you want a pda that does not change, buy a palm or handspring, the are guranteed to be the same for the next 5 years. Look at the "new" models from palm and handspring. It is not possible for an innovative company like sony to keep ALL their product lines indefinitely. In US, Sony keeps the product life span very long compared to Japan. Of course, Japanese are a different group of consumers.

As for me, I am staying with Sony to enjoy better things to come.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 4:03:03 PM #
Just want to add that, Sony is usually the leader in innovation in that sense that they come out with new stuff and other companies will be able to replicate what they do in months, Sony will have to move on to new innovation to keep the lead.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 6:46:16 PM #


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ROARRRRRRRRRRRRR

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 8:07:21 PM #
But that's what happens when you're an "early adopter!" You may be pissed off, but you've really got no cause. You knew what you were getting into; you knew it's limitations; now STFU.

RE: 710 Owner Here
EGarrido @ 9/18/2001 9:26:29 PM #
We can all wait for the next model, so that we won't be outdated, but by then, there will be a better model to come out four months from then. It's just the way technology is. When someone buys a tech product, they should realize that it will eventually be outdated.

It's my opinion, however, that even though this N760C has been announced, the N710C is far from outdated.

Eric Garrido

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 9:43:30 PM #
Exactly. The 710 and 760 are EXACTLY identical except for the incremental changes in OS 4.0. THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 10:26:19 PM #
The 710 is PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL to the 760 with the exception of the OS. I own a 710 and I could give a sh** about OS 4.x. It makes no difference to me. I have a load of productive software, NONE OF WHICH CAN DISPLAY 16BIT COLOR. Those who care about 4.x need to fill that extra bitchin' time with something more productive. IMHO of course ;-)

If it is a bug fix, then upgrade should be free
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 10:42:29 PM #
I would be very surprise to see a huge charge on upgrading the software.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 1:33:27 AM #
hello hello, os 4.0 requires 4mb flash memory, the 710 has 2mb flash, the 760 has 4mb, get it?

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 2:16:22 AM #
yo .. last poster .. mr. 4Mb flash on the 760 .. and only 2 Mb flash on the 710 ...

apparently u dont OWN a 710 .. because if u DID .. i would know that the 710 DOES have 4Mb flash!

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 11:03:26 AM #
YO YOU STFU cuz I did NOT know "what I was getting into" when I bought the 710. Sony just RECENTLY announced this new 760 model, moron. If we would have known I am sure a lot of people would have held out on the 710 to get the 760 instead. But now it's too late so we got screwed. F THAT!

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 11:42:36 AM #
Hey if U don't like getting outdated, don't buy anything. I mean, I can bet that in some months time there will be PDA's using the new 66mhz dragonball procesors, and then, the 200+mhz DragonballARM procesors, and all the users will get outdated.

RE: My Amusement For The Day
splat @ 9/20/2001 12:24:27 PM #
Thanks for that thread guys, it gave me a good laugh. All of you arguing back and forth about "you have no reason to be pissed" and "I'm so pissed at Sony!"

The best part is there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between the 710c and the 760c except Palm OS 4.1 (notice the old 710c pictures being used on to show the 760c off).

Anyway, you guys keep posting and I'll keep laughing.


RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/24/2001 12:33:02 PM #
To all of you....OS 4.x DOES NOT require 4mb of flash. I have a 3c and 3xe with 2mb flash both with a developer seeded version 4.0 rom.

RE: 710 Owner Here
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/25/2001 10:58:07 AM #
The 4.x upgrade to the 710 does make a huge difference! The screen refresh is significantly faster on the 610 (which has 4.x) as opposed to the 710 (which has 3.5). You'd have to be an idiot not to notice the difference.

Hello sunshine!

Seabird @ 9/18/2001 2:23:34 PM #
I'm glad the 760c is finally here, however, I hope Sony doesn't screw over the 710 owners by holding out on an OS upgrade.


SMN @ 9/18/2001 3:00:55 PM #
What I'd like to know is why Sony doesn't include those nice clip-on headphones with the separate mp3 player. I don't think those little earbuds in the picture can really compare.


sub_tex @ 9/18/2001 3:37:33 PM #
If you click on the image of the 760. the page you go to is the display for the 710.

And if you choose any of the nav options while in that close up view page, the overview, specs, etc. all go to 710 pages.

Some bad webmasters at sonystyle......

Oh this is just great!

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 4:38:44 PM #
I got a 610 with OS 4.0 now the 760 has 4.1!!! I hope sony does not screw us 610 owners over this .1 upgade. GIVE IT TO US NOW!!!!!!!! WWWHHHHHAAAAAAAA.....

SHUT UP 710 owners! There is alot more you should be worrying about then a useless upgrade in the OS.

RE: Oh this is just great!
rldunn @ 9/18/2001 4:53:45 PM #
Plus, the 760 is coming with it's own backup software, and I had to pay for mine. I demand that Sony immediately refund the money I paid for JBBackup. If I had known that they were going to offer backup software in the future, I would have just suffered through data losses these past few months and not shelled out my hard earned cash.

You won't need it anyway
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 10:38:59 PM #
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only difference in the OS version is due to the fact that 4.1 is capable and responsible for making the MP3 player work.

Yell when you see OS 5.0 in months, not years...heehee

RE: Oh this is just great!
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 1:16:33 AM #
"I demand that Sony immediately refund the money I paid for JBBackup."

Uh...last time I checked JBBackup was sold through Brayder Tech and now through HandFort. If I were you, I'd bring it up with them and not Sony. How is Sony responsible for your impatience?

"If I had known that they were going to offer backup software in the future, I would have just suffered through data losses these past few months and not shelled out my hard earned cash."

And if I would've known that Palm would sit on their technologic laurels and introduce products like the m125 and m5xx handhelds, I would've sold my shares in Palm alot sooner. By your rationale, I should complain to Palm and demand that I be refunded the money I would have made if they ran their company a bit differently.

If you're that displeased with your CLIE, then sell it. Otherwise, STFU!

RE: Oh this is just great!
EdwardGreen @ 9/19/2001 3:08:35 AM #
sense of humour byepass anyone?

Hooray for the ignorant
splat @ 9/19/2001 3:35:36 PM #
> SHUT UP 710 owners! There is alot more you should be > worrying about then a useless upgrade in the OS.

Either you're a moron or you don't know what you're talking about.. or maybe both.

The upgrade is NOT useless, it allows the Clie to display the 65,000 colors on screen that it is capable of. Palm OS 3.5 does not support that many colors.

So how about you keep your mouth shut until you have something worth complaining about.


RE: Oh this is just great!
rldunn @ 9/19/2001 3:45:40 PM #
"Uh...last time I checked JBBackup was sold through Brayder Tech and now through HandFort. If I were you, I'd bring it up with them and not Sony. How is Sony responsible for your impatience?"

I bet if I told you that gullible wasn't really a word in the dictionary, you'd go look it up. Relax, we're on the same side on this issue. My earlier post was just using something called sarcasm. Go look it up.


I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 4:54:53 PM #
"It will be available from there and from retail stores in October."

If you order it from Sonystyle it says "ships within 1-3 days"

Which is it? Anyone knows?

RE: Preorder?
Seabird @ 9/18/2001 6:30:52 PM #
I just spoke with Customer Service at Sony Style and they have no 760C on hand. The site would lead one to believe it's ready to ship, however, it's a pre-order.
They expect the units to arrive next week.

So it's not here yet!

RE: Preorder?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 8:27:09 PM #
And as memory serves me (someone please verify this), Sony does not ship preorders any sooner than they ship them to retailers. If you want to be one of the first, don't preorder.


I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 5:37:29 PM #
How does the MagicGate technology work and does it impose any sort of copy protection scheme on mp3s of CDs you rip?

RE: MagicGate
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 6:00:34 PM #
Can you put an MP3 on a MagicGate stick? I thought they were limited to ATRAC3. Not that I have any idea what I'm talking about. If someone knows, please explain.

RE: MagicGate
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 6:07:37 PM #
From the website "The new CLIÉ™ handheld plays both MP3 and ATRAC3 audio files. Download music on your PC, store the audio file on Memory Stick® media*, and then enjoy your favorite music on your new CLIÉ™ handheld! "

I'd still like to know if it messes with mp3s you've already encoded or if you can use a 128MB memorystick if you've already made the investment instead of buying a new magicgate stick. Thanks.

RE: MagicGate
Ed @ 9/18/2001 6:17:37 PM #
MagicGate Memory Sticks can play both ATRAC3 files and MP3 files. They have special encryption stuff built into them to allow them to use the ATRAC3 files. Regular Memory Sticks don't have this so they can't access ATRAC3 files but, of course, they can use MP3s.

p.s. Do you like my extremely technical term, "encryption stuff "?

News Editor

RE: MagicGate
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 6:49:14 PM #
You need a magicgate sick to play the mp3 fi;les if not then you get bad quallity or only a song or two on the stick

RE: MagicGate
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 8:30:04 PM #
Alright, enough with the FUD.

Magicgate memory sticks are the same as regular memory sticks in every way except that in addition they can support Sony copy protected files, such as ATRAC. Unlike the previous poster stated, you can in fact play perfectly good mp3s on regular memory sticks, up to around 320 kbps I think.

ATRAC files are unwieldy and copyprotected and tools of the Man designed to keep us down, and if they ever become a standard then we're all screwed, but other than that, they are about half the size of a comparable quality mp3.

RE: MagicGate
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 6:52:43 AM #
Thanks Ed and everyone else. That pretty much answers all of my questions. I also found a pretty good thread "Magic Gate vs other Memory Stick? " in Palm InfoCenter's forum after I posted too. Check it out.

760c is now online for sale (and in stock) in sonystyle

Morgile @ 9/18/2001 7:02:00 PM #
I've just seen that the PEG-760C is now available
for purchase from sonystyle. It says usually ships
after 1-3 days. good to know!

You whiners got serious issues

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 7:25:22 PM #
Quit your whining and get on with life, product development is supposed to improve on the last update, and that is what Sony is doing! Has long as technology grows, so will advancement! Remember how hott the 466 pentiums were a couple of years ago? I am still happy with it because it meets my needs. Now get back to life and enjoy it!

RE: You whiners got serious issues
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 10:33:29 PM #
Yeah, I bet you can update that 466 motherboard to a 1 gig too with all previous existing peripherals from the old motherboard (CD, DVD, modem, video card etc) without much of a problem. Most computers are upgradable...check your facts.

RE: You whiners got serious issues
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 1:05:29 AM #
So what's your point? Yeah a motherboard can be upgraded. But name one PC company that gives away the components to upgrade a motherboard for free?

Last time I checked, if I want to upgrade to a faster processor, more RAM, larger hard drive, I had to go out an buy those components. By your argument, every PC company should provide free upgrades every time they introduce a new system that outdates the old.

RE: You whiners got serious issues
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 7:51:36 PM #

There is more to OS 4.x than increased color depth

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 11:10:01 PM #

Not to worry though, the OS upgrade for the N700C has been anounced. The N710C upgrade can't be far behind.

RE: There is more to OS 4.x than increased color depth
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2001 11:18:19 PM #
Sony's version of OS 3.5 already had VFS. The 710, which has
3.5, has VFS. They wrote it and gave it to Palm who put it in
OS 4.0.

RE: There is more to OS 4.x than increased color depth
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 12:44:08 AM #
That shows you how much you know about the clie.

SINCE THE FIRST CLIE S300, it has VFS. Sony invented VFS for the Palm.
Palm then incorporated VFS into PALM OS 4.0 (same with 16bit color that Handspring made).

Clie 710 with os 3.5.2 HAS vfs.

Palm OS 4.0 has the "card" category because they built it into the shell. Sony didn't think of doing that, but if you look at silverscreen/launcher III beta, it can do the same thing on sony clies.

RE: There is more to OS 4.x than increased color depth
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 6:58:19 AM #
Is there anyway to make the memorystick work
'seamlessly' with the add on memory like the TRGPro does?

RE: There is more to OS 4.x than increased color depth
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 10:48:46 PM #
Many apps seem to work seamlessly with the card in the Palm m50x that don't work as well on the N710C. Handheldmed's book reader, for example, had this problem (not sure if it still does).

No extra memorystick in Europe

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 4:40:07 AM #
I want to whine as well: Apparently there is no extra memorystick with the European version (n770c).

I am out of memory on my Palm Vx and consequently out of memory on my £399 Clié even before it has arrived.


N760C and Macs

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 7:48:06 AM #
Is the N760C compatible with the Macintosh for HotSyncing and for transfering MP3 files ? Or do you require third party software such as missing link ? I don't understand why if it uses the Palm OS 4 it can't connect to a Mac like a Palm can.

RE: N760C and Macs
Ed @ 9/19/2001 9:21:37 AM #
Since Sony moved to OS 4, all their models stopped having problems with Macintoshes. I have HotSynced both the S320 and N610C with my PowerBook without a hitch. Just remember to use the very latest version of the Palm Desktop. I haven't actually tried it with the N760C but I don't expect any problems.

Sony models that don't use OS 4, like the N710C, do require Mark/Space's The Missing Sync. You might also be interested in this app for other models as it allows you to mount the Memory Stick as a drive on your desktop. This works even with some Sony models that can't do this with a Windows PC.

News Editor

N760C MP3 Audio

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2001 11:21:05 PM #
I was wondering with the N760C, are MP3's only playable through the headphones like the N710C, or does it have speakers that can actually play MP3's on the PDA without the headphones. Just curious as I have seen nothing mentioned about that.


RE: N760C MP3 Audio
Ed @ 9/19/2001 11:57:06 PM #
As far as I can tell, the only differences between the N710C and the N760C are related to software, not hardware. So headphones are still required. I think this will continue to be the case until some breakthrough that allows very small speakers to play good-sounding music. Even then a tiny handheld wouldn't give you very much stereo separation. So at least for the foreseeable future, headphone are a way of life.

News Editor
RE: N760C MP3 Audio
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/24/2001 10:16:57 AM #
Yeah you still need the headphones or some type of external speakers, but the n760 is so sweet i love mine

I predict that Sony will BUY Palm just for the Palm OS

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/25/2001 11:41:23 AM #
when Palm goes bankrupt. Sony will hire a few of Palm's top Managers and they will head the Division. There is NO WAY that Palm can stay alive by itself - they are burning cash like MC Hammer in his heyday and will be bankrupt soon. Yankowksi was a former Sony-ista, so he will probably stay on and head the Division. The thing is PALM is still over-valued now at $958 Million Dollars with a share price at $1.69. I see that share price going to under 30 cents.



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