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RE: Packaging
RE: Packaging
The current Handera screen is 240x320 (240 wide, 320 high).
The 320x320 could be achieved by adding a certain factor to the 240 width, to show 320 instead (not too dissimilar to the pixel doubling in the Sony Clies).
The remaining part left over at the bottom os then "reserved" for the soft graffiti area.
If you look at a Handera, the soft graffiti area is not supported by most applications, but the ones who do support it make it look great (datebook, spreadsheets, memopad).
So in essence, you could have a 240x1.3 = 320 width and height screen, and the remainder would remain blank (if you move the graffiti area down) as is the case in most applications today.
RE: Packaging
I think you're missing the point. I want to use the whole pickin screen. iSilo photos are great on my Handera. Wordsmith also supports, not to mention quick office. Several offer screen rotation as well. I don't need higher than QVGA resolution, just let me maximize the space I can use!
Excellent
If my palm had a QVGA color screen with a native file system it would be perfect to me.
The end of this year and early next year seem like they'll be full of nice toys.
:)
RE: Excellent
a color Handera would be SWEET!
Man I hope it comes quickly tho...
New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
Yes, when it is off, and you open the cover and stare directly at the front of it, it looks darn tacky. In real use though, I think it actually looks much better than the ugliness some, who have only seen web photos of it, would claim. Certainly better than older Palms and Visors.
RE: New HandEra?
Sure, many agree with you; but many also agree with me that the HE looks just fine, and even more are, like me, grateful that they didn't have to change their collection of Palm III-series peripherals.
RE: New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
Or adopt the universal connector and include a III style attchment so you can still use your old peripherals?
RE: New HandEra?
people who want a fashion accessory PDA know where they can get one, thats no mystery.
RE: New HandEra?
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RE: New HandEra?
The Way of the Future is the Universal connector, and the most desirable form factor is 50x.
But the previous use of the III-series form factor and serial connection was, to me, an appropriate compromise, not a design flaw.
RE: New HandEra?
The m50x form factor is great, but if HandEra can give me both CF and SD in a form same or smaller than Pocket PC is doing it, that's good enough for me.
RE: New HandEra?
I am using the GoType keyboard, PalmIII modem, and PalmIII GPS with my 330 (previously had a PalmIIIx, then a TRGPro). I would hate to have to replace them all. What would be nice if they used PalmIII connector and made it USB speeds for syncing.
RE: New HandEra?
It would be difficult and impractical to just take the Palm III connector and convert it into some kind of super-high speed serial port.
I'm pretty sure people from HandEra have already stated months ago that the 330 would be their last device with that connector.
RE: New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
With that in mind and the previous post saying that they are not going to use the serial PalmIII port anymore, I wonder what they will use.
RE: New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
RE: New HandEra?
Why in the world would palm NOT allow other OEM's to use the Universal Connector.
Isn't the whole idea of the new connector is to have a common interface acress all Palm devices?
I hope they don't want to keep it to themselves. That would be soooo weak.
RE: New HandEra?
Can Palm really keep other companies from using their universal connector? The lines are mainly just standard USB and RS-232 lines. Is it patented?
It seems dumb. I would think that more devices using it would encourage 3rd party peripheral development, and thus be a positive.
RE: New HandEra?
I think all IO ports on a Palm powered device should stick to some form of standard.
Pocket PC and Handera have it right when they include CF for periphial accesories. Palm should do the same and forget about making SD a standard for periphials. It would take an act of God for Palm to spur up enough interest for hardware manufacturers to flock to this rather than stay with CF.
While SD IO is now a standard, it is far from industry adoption.
having a STANDARD periphial port accross all Palm PDA's would probably help compete with M$ too since users on that end could switch over to Palm and bring along their accesories and leave that brick behind for land fill ;)
RE: New HandEra?
Huh? All the new Palms, HandEra, Pocket PC devices, and some of the Linux devices have SD. CF is nice, but too big for devices in the m50x form factor.
RE: New HandEra?
Keep in mind also that even though SD is smaller than CF. The hardware required for most add ons often fit WITHIN the CF housing, where as the same periphial on a SD card will of course NOT fit inside a tiny SD card housing. Thus the actual size of SD add ons compared to CF add ons may be identical.
I persoanlly love CF for periphials with my H330. most of the add on is protected and firmly secured within the slot istead of sticking out too much and creating a break point.
Besides, using SD for a hardware add on will rob you of memory expansion at that time. Imagine using a SD GPS, but no memory available to store the maps.
RE: New HandEra?
'''Within the Coming Year''
I have a question about "within the coming year." Does that mean 2003, within the next 12 months, or by Christmas of this year or sooner?
At any rate, if this develops into a Handera 330c, it is great news for those who appreciate the need for maximum expansion options and the special needs of vertical markets, especially the need for viewing landscape spreadsheets, huge medical texts, wireless prescribing, and voicenotes. Though surely some will complain about form factor, plastic cases, MP3, and gaming.
Thanks, Robrecht
RE: '''Within the Coming Year''
> within the next 12 months, or by Christmas of this year or sooner?
I took it to mean "within 2002". It's January so even if they meant "within the next 12 months", the two are almost synonymous.
I wouldn't use the phrase "within the coming year" to describe 2003. I might if this was December but not in January.
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RE: '''Within the Coming Year''
Thanks, Robrecht
Why not 320x480?
RE: Why not 320x480?
Ryan
RE: Why not 320x480?
Is 240x320 consider medium or higher resolution versus 320x320?
RE: Why not 320x480?
Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Why not 320x480?
RE: Why not 320x480?
Although a lot of programs don't yet support the virtual graffiti, it works quite nice when they do, and doesn't bother me when they don't. My graffiti skill has improved quite a bit because now I can see my strokes and what I am doing wrong ;)
RE: Why not 320x480?
RE: Why not 320x480?
Then don't close the virtual one.
RE: Why not 320x480?
320 X 480 !?
Heck, why not 1024 X 768 or more ???
I mean, c'mon. How high of a resolution do we REALLY need on screens that are less than 3 inches wide???
RE: Why not 320x480?
I used to think it sucked. But I have a hack on my 330 called Auto Silk Hack. It remembers whether I had the grafitti area up or down the last time I used any given application, and then resumes that state the next time I use that app, i.e. if I use Wordsmith and put the grafitti down, then exit, when I return to Wordsmith the 330 will auto-pop my grafitti back down...
That was a lot of writing for such a small point!
...In accordance with the prophecy...
Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com
RE: Why not 320x480?
RE: Why not 320x480?
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RE: Why not 320x480?
>multiplier) over with now, to make life easier later >when (not if, when) PDAs eventually go true-VGA.
What makes you say it's 'over with now' just because HandEra (with its miniscule market share) has done it? If you complain about using a multiplier from 320x320, you should have complained when HandEra used the non-integral multiplier for the 240x240 resolution. In either case, it needs to be done SOMETIME to get to VGA. IMO, it's better to have a higher resolution (320x320 or 320x480 w/ soft graffiti) now and then apply the multiplier to get VGA than to apply the multiplier earlier at the lower resolution. Plus, Sony sells a lot more units than HandEra, so they actually have a chance to get developers onboard. But I suppose none of this matters
if you are biased by your ownership of a HandEra device.
RE: Why not 320x480?
RE: Why not 320x480?
FYI
Soon, all Palm OS devices will use virtual graffiti, so you can forget about Sony making thier hack a standard.
Didn't anyone READ the Press Release???
“Choosing Epson for our newest design was easy, it has the highest performance of any LCD Controller we have ever used and their support staff was excellent,”...“Their architecture enables developers to easily provide support for high resolution applications while at the same time allowing OEMs to get product to market faster.”
And someone asked why Handera isn't using 320x320:
HandEra’s QVGA’s architecture currently offers three times more pixels (240 x 320) than standard Palm Powered™ devices (160 x 160).
QVGA is an emerging standard for Palm Powered ™ devices. QVGA-aware applications include support for a high-resolution 240 x 320 pixel screen, additional display fonts, and a collapsible 'virtual' graffiti area. Applications that support QVGA provide end-users with more detailed bitmaps and enhanced performance. The QVGA standard was originally adopted for the HandEra 330 computing device, which features one of the highest resolution screens on the market. New products with built-in QVGA technology and Epson LCD Controller support are anticipated to rollout within the coming year. Epson’s most recent product announcement, the S1D13A05 LCD Controller, will be among the controllers supported by HandEra. The SID13A05 has an embedded 256KB of display buffer, thereby allowing resolutions up to 320 x 320 at 65,536 colors. Its high resolution capability is complemented by a hardware acceleration engine providing high performance graphic drawing functions and an embedded USB client making it a highly integrated companion IC for today’s handheld devices.
And lastly, when are the new Palm designs expected to be announced?
A series of new handheld design win announcements are expected within the next few months.
COME ON PEOPLE - follow a couple of links and read for yourself! You can answer your own questions if you just use the resources presented!
RE: Didn't anyone READ the Press Release???
RE: Didn't anyone READ the Press Release???
Throw in some descent mac support and you've got a sale.
Please Make a Palm V Form Factor with QVGA
RE: Please Make a Palm V Form Factor with QVGA
I can't believe there has not been more talk/demand for just that, a QVGA, Palm V form factor, Audio support, ARM processor.
Sales would go through the roof. Lets face it no other form factor comes close to the Palm V. Its sexy, pocketable and usable. I would not be surprised if that is what Palm Inc are secretly working on now. It just has to come out soon, without pre-leaked info, and before others do. I think there is a clear expectation in the market place for this and we will see it from one company or another. I for one, would buy one straight away before I could sell my m505.
with hopefull expectations, BB
Handspring Treo screen???
I suppose these Epson screens are to large to be used on a Treo. And Soft Graffiti makes little sense with a built in Keyboard... Oh Well.. I guess we will have to see what they release!
Doug
RE: Handspring Treo screen???
RE: Handspring Treo screen???
>ot could theoretically have would be virtual
>graffitti. If they are not going to bother, there's
>no point for that model.
Well, personally, I prefer writing with a pen - something I do every day away from my Palm - to typing with my thumbs - something I don't do anywhere. It just feels more natural to grab a pen and start scribbling, even if the characters are slightly weird, than to poke at a QWERTY keyboard with two fingers. I'll certainly buy the 180g myself, hard Grafitti or no.
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