Comments on: Handhelds with QVGA Color Screens Coming this Year

HandEra and Epson have announced that Epson's LCD Controllers are now supported by HandEra’s QVGA technology. HandEra is not only using QVGA in its own devices but offers it for licencing to other handheld makers. This means that Epson's controllers can be used in HandEra models and those from other companies. The newest Epson LCD Controller, which has HandEra support, offers up to 320 by 320 screen at 16-bit color, though the QVGA standard is 240 by 320.
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Packaging

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 11:45:14 AM #
Wow! Now if HandEra could produce a slimmer package for their handheld. Collapsible Graf area would be nice in a 320X320 machine.

RE: Packaging
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:25:32 PM #
Wouldn't collapsible graffiti in a 320 x 320 screen require something like 320 x 480?

RE: Packaging
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:52:31 PM #
In my opinion: Not really.

The current Handera screen is 240x320 (240 wide, 320 high).

The 320x320 could be achieved by adding a certain factor to the 240 width, to show 320 instead (not too dissimilar to the pixel doubling in the Sony Clies).

The remaining part left over at the bottom os then "reserved" for the soft graffiti area.

If you look at a Handera, the soft graffiti area is not supported by most applications, but the ones who do support it make it look great (datebook, spreadsheets, memopad).

So in essence, you could have a 240x1.3 = 320 width and height screen, and the remainder would remain blank (if you move the graffiti area down) as is the case in most applications today.

RE: Packaging
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 5:28:38 PM #
So what you're saying is let's have a virtual graffiti area that can't be used. Didn't Palm already do something like that in the Pilot?

I think you're missing the point. I want to use the whole pickin screen. iSilo photos are great on my Handera. Wordsmith also supports, not to mention quick office. Several offer screen rotation as well. I don't need higher than QVGA resolution, just let me maximize the space I can use!

Excellent

sub_tex @ 1/29/2002 11:53:07 AM #
some of the best news i've heard in a while.

If my palm had a QVGA color screen with a native file system it would be perfect to me.

The end of this year and early next year seem like they'll be full of nice toys.

:)

RE: Excellent
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 5:17:43 PM #
Agreed..

a color Handera would be SWEET!

Man I hope it comes quickly tho...

New HandEra?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:03:27 PM #
Wouldn't it be something if HandEra would get rid of that UGLY silver Palm III casing??? Imagine the outrage if HandEra stuck with the Palm III casing on their new color models. Meanwhile I'll patiently await a color HandEra device, hoping they'll make it right...though I can already see the end for my T615...

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:10:45 PM #
Most of the 330's casing is not silver, just the top part that goes around the screen, the rest is black. When it is closed, it appears to be mostly black with a line of silver around the edge. When it's open and I'm using it, there is something about the silver around the screen that seems like it makes the screen better to look at. Yeah, I know it sounds dumb, but I think if it was all black (as some have suggested) the screen wouldn't appear as nice or read as well. Probably some kind of optical effect.

Yes, when it is off, and you open the cover and stare directly at the front of it, it looks darn tacky. In real use though, I think it actually looks much better than the ugliness some, who have only seen web photos of it, would claim. Certainly better than older Palms and Visors.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:15:04 PM #
Face it: you're presenting your opinion as fact.

Sure, many agree with you; but many also agree with me that the HE looks just fine, and even more are, like me, grateful that they didn't have to change their collection of Palm III-series peripherals.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:15:44 PM #
I like the "Tech" look and feel of the HandEra. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:20:40 PM #
Palm Inc. You should move on ASAP....SONY is passing you and handera is comming.

RE: New HandEra?
sub_tex @ 1/29/2002 12:40:30 PM #
Why don't they change the casing but keep the connector?

Or adopt the universal connector and include a III style attchment so you can still use your old peripherals?

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:47:58 PM #
i dont really have a problem with what the handera looks like. its quite a good size considering what its packing.

people who want a fashion accessory PDA know where they can get one, thats no mystery.

RE: New HandEra?
Ed @ 1/29/2002 12:48:21 PM #
It's only my opinion but I believe HandEra's next model should use the Universal Connector rather than the III series one the 330 uses. When the 330 was announced, there were plenty of people with lots of III-series handhelds and peripherals looking for an upgrade and HandEra gave them one that saved them lots of money. However, those III series peripherals are aging and replacements are becoming hard to find. The Universal Connector is the Wave of The Future™. I believe HandEra would be smart to switch. Dependence on a peripheral connector for which there are few new peripherals isn't in anyone's best interest, especially HandEra's.

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RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 12:58:37 PM #
Oh, I'd certainly agree.

The Way of the Future is the Universal connector, and the most desirable form factor is 50x.

But the previous use of the III-series form factor and serial connection was, to me, an appropriate compromise, not a design flaw.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:12:56 PM #
I agree too. I have a 330, but I really hope HandEra switches to Palm's universal connector as well. Yeah, I have a bunch of Palm III connector cradles and a III connector GoType, but the rest of my peripherals are CF. I'd much rather see HandEra resolve the desires of people wanting USB at this point.

The m50x form factor is great, but if HandEra can give me both CF and SD in a form same or smaller than Pocket PC is doing it, that's good enough for me.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:43:59 PM #
From what I understand is that Palm's wonderful "Universal Connector" is nothing of the sort, but a proprietary concept. Do you see anyone else using the technology?

I am using the GoType keyboard, PalmIII modem, and PalmIII GPS with my 330 (previously had a PalmIIIx, then a TRGPro). I would hate to have to replace them all. What would be nice if they used PalmIII connector and made it USB speeds for syncing.



RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 2:03:16 PM #
From that perspective, the Palm III connector was itself "nothing of the sort, but a proprietary concept" as you put it.

It would be difficult and impractical to just take the Palm III connector and convert it into some kind of super-high speed serial port.

I'm pretty sure people from HandEra have already stated months ago that the 330 would be their last device with that connector.

RE: New HandEra?
Altema @ 1/29/2002 2:06:41 PM #
I doubt that they will attempt to push the same serial pin configuration to usb speeds, as it would violate the rs232 standards. Plus you would need software to switch between usb and serial in order to use the existing III accessories. What the universal connector does is allow for both the USB connection and true rs232 serial connections. For someone who NEEDS both connection on the same device, it's having your cake and eating it too...

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 2:19:02 PM #
Yes, HandEra did claim that the 330 would be their last device with the III-style connector. What they go to next is still TBA, but Palm's Universal Connector looks to be a likely bet.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 2:37:47 PM #
I had talked to a lady in sales at HandEra (515-252-7522, sorry don't remember a name) that said the Universal connector wont be used because Palm won't allow it to be.

With that in mind and the previous post saying that they are not going to use the serial PalmIII port anymore, I wonder what they will use.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 3:19:40 PM #
Next time you call, ask what the form factor will be, what screen they're using, how fast the processor is, and how much memory it'll have.


RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 5:16:45 PM #
I did, but could not get any other comments other than "please watch the webste for official press releases". I was actually suprised that she slipped on the connector, maybe I should call sales again and try to get another 'slip' ;)

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 5:21:57 PM #

Why in the world would palm NOT allow other OEM's to use the Universal Connector.

Isn't the whole idea of the new connector is to have a common interface acress all Palm devices?

I hope they don't want to keep it to themselves. That would be soooo weak.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 5:30:45 PM #
Well, if they can't use the universal connector, I hope they at least provide a standard USB slave connector on the side, or try to find something "more" standardized than just coming up with thier own. It'd be funny if they then used say the iPaq one instead.

Can Palm really keep other companies from using their universal connector? The lines are mainly just standard USB and RS-232 lines. Is it patented?

It seems dumb. I would think that more devices using it would encourage 3rd party peripheral development, and thus be a positive.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 11:46:02 PM #
So do I.


I think all IO ports on a Palm powered device should stick to some form of standard.

Pocket PC and Handera have it right when they include CF for periphial accesories. Palm should do the same and forget about making SD a standard for periphials. It would take an act of God for Palm to spur up enough interest for hardware manufacturers to flock to this rather than stay with CF.

While SD IO is now a standard, it is far from industry adoption.

having a STANDARD periphial port accross all Palm PDA's would probably help compete with M$ too since users on that end could switch over to Palm and bring along their accesories and leave that brick behind for land fill ;)

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 9:13:17 AM #
> While SD IO is now a standard, it is far from industry adoption.

Huh? All the new Palms, HandEra, Pocket PC devices, and some of the Linux devices have SD. CF is nice, but too big for devices in the m50x form factor.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 7:45:34 PM #
I'm referring to the SD slot being used as an IO (periphial) port, not just memory.

Keep in mind also that even though SD is smaller than CF. The hardware required for most add ons often fit WITHIN the CF housing, where as the same periphial on a SD card will of course NOT fit inside a tiny SD card housing. Thus the actual size of SD add ons compared to CF add ons may be identical.

I persoanlly love CF for periphials with my H330. most of the add on is protected and firmly secured within the slot istead of sticking out too much and creating a break point.

Besides, using SD for a hardware add on will rob you of memory expansion at that time. Imagine using a SD GPS, but no memory available to store the maps.

RE: New HandEra?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/6/2002 2:29:48 PM #
Since Palm's hardware group is now a separate entity from the OS group, all bets on sharing hardware are off. Handera will likely have to do what Handspring did and develop their own USB connector or license Handspring's if Palm won't license their universal connector. I'm wondering how that will affect being able to get peripherals for a new Handera device, seeing as I haven't seen WIDESPREAD support for QVGA opposed to Sony's lame (by comparison) hi-res implementation.

'''Within the Coming Year''

robrecht @ 1/29/2002 12:19:39 PM #
Hi, Ed.

I have a question about "within the coming year." Does that mean 2003, within the next 12 months, or by Christmas of this year or sooner?

At any rate, if this develops into a Handera 330c, it is great news for those who appreciate the need for maximum expansion options and the special needs of vertical markets, especially the need for viewing landscape spreadsheets, huge medical texts, wireless prescribing, and voicenotes. Though surely some will complain about form factor, plastic cases, MP3, and gaming.


Thanks, Robrecht

RE: '''Within the Coming Year''
Ed @ 1/29/2002 12:45:10 PM #
> I have a question about "within the coming year." Does that mean 2003,
> within the next 12 months, or by Christmas of this year or sooner?

I took it to mean "within 2002". It's January so even if they meant "within the next 12 months", the two are almost synonymous.

I wouldn't use the phrase "within the coming year" to describe 2003. I might if this was December but not in January.

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RE: '''Within the Coming Year''
robrecht @ 1/29/2002 12:54:04 PM #
Thanks Ed. Is it still January? Feels like September.

Thanks, Robrecht

Why not 320x480?

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:06:29 PM #
Hmm...240x320 16-bit color w/ soft graffiti is pretty good, but why not just go all the way and combine the larger usable area of the Handera with the higher resolution (pixels per inch) of the Sony Clie? Then you can get 320x480.


RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:11:10 PM #
I agree wholeheartedly, I currently have the Sony N760C and I love the hi-res screen but a soft grafitti area would only make it better. it's just too bad that palm didn't do the liscencing of this tech otherwise we'd be sure to see it included in future versions of the OS.

Ryan

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:15:56 PM #
I thought it SAID high-resolution ("The newest Epson LCD Controller, which has HandEra support, offers up to 320 by 320 screen at 16-bit color, though the QVGA standard is 240 by 320.")

Is 240x320 consider medium or higher resolution versus 320x320?


RE: Why not 320x480?
robrecht @ 1/29/2002 1:18:42 PM #
I think the real key is brightness and contrast. As much as I want to upgrade from my IIIc, I still gotta say its screen is incredibly readable indoors. The SONY screens are rather dark by comparison, though I haven't been able to judge their readability with the thin font fix.

Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:35:38 PM #
Just my $0.02, but I really dislike the soft grafitti area. I've suffered through it on PPC and found it very annoying. The bottom portion of the screen becomes useless in many situations, and when it is useful, the pop-up entry window always seems to be blocking the view at the wrong time. I found myself always 'hiding' or 'showing' the entry window to get work done. That's lots of extra taps and confusion when there's real work to be done. I prefer the consistency of the separate, fixed, grafitti area.

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:53:16 PM #
I do agree that the PPC 'virtual graffiti' is annoying, but the 330 is much better. Do you own a 330 or are you just assuming it is like your PPC?

Although a lot of programs don't yet support the virtual graffiti, it works quite nice when they do, and doesn't bother me when they don't. My graffiti skill has improved quite a bit because now I can see my strokes and what I am doing wrong ;)

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:55:10 PM #
do you know how much of a powerdrain that would be? if you thought ppc's were bad this would take twice as much computing power.

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 2:14:47 PM #
> I prefer the consistency of the separate, fixed, grafitti area.

Then don't close the virtual one.

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 7:00:14 PM #

320 X 480 !?

Heck, why not 1024 X 768 or more ???

I mean, c'mon. How high of a resolution do we REALLY need on screens that are less than 3 inches wide???



RE: Why not 320x480?
Quik_Fix @ 1/29/2002 11:02:55 PM #
To the reader who hates moving the soft grafitti:

I used to think it sucked. But I have a hack on my 330 called Auto Silk Hack. It remembers whether I had the grafitti area up or down the last time I used any given application, and then resumes that state the next time I use that app, i.e. if I use Wordsmith and put the grafitti down, then exit, when I return to Wordsmith the 330 will auto-pop my grafitti back down...

That was a lot of writing for such a small point!

...In accordance with the prophecy...

Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com

RE: Why not 320x480?
pontif @ 1/30/2002 12:20:35 AM #
I vote for 320 x 480 because it allows the traditional (non virtual graffiti) portion of the screen to be a multiple of the standard 160 x 160. That is pretty important to insure that all existing apps work and work well. That has given Sony the advantage over HandEra in terms of software compatibility.

RE: Why not 320x480?
LarryGarfield @ 1/30/2002 3:07:36 AM #
The holy grail of PDA screens is true-VGA resolution. 480x640. I've seen it on a prototype device, and it was drool-worthy. A qVGA screen (240x320) will pixel double straight to VGA nice and easily. There is no way in hell that you're going to scale a 320x480 screen into a 480x640 screen without horribly distoring the image. The non-integral shift (160x160->240x240, 1.5x multiplier) over with now, to make life easier later when (not if, when) PDAs eventually go true-VGA. Don't try and create yet another aspect ratio and multiplier set when you don't have to, it only makes life harder for everyone.

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RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 2:46:25 PM #
>The non-integral shift (160x160->240x240, 1.5x
>multiplier) over with now, to make life easier later >when (not if, when) PDAs eventually go true-VGA.

What makes you say it's 'over with now' just because HandEra (with its miniscule market share) has done it? If you complain about using a multiplier from 320x320, you should have complained when HandEra used the non-integral multiplier for the 240x240 resolution. In either case, it needs to be done SOMETIME to get to VGA. IMO, it's better to have a higher resolution (320x320 or 320x480 w/ soft graffiti) now and then apply the multiplier to get VGA than to apply the multiplier earlier at the lower resolution. Plus, Sony sells a lot more units than HandEra, so they actually have a chance to get developers onboard. But I suppose none of this matters
if you are biased by your ownership of a HandEra device.

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 4:24:18 PM #
Before you argue bias and claim Sony's superior numbers, take a lot at where the market actually sits. HandEra has a high number of developers on board with their resolution. Sony isn't winning any races in that department, it's pretty even (so much for the Sony "advantage"). Both have their own handful of apps that only support their resolution but many of the big names support both.

RE: Why not 320x480?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/31/2002 6:23:03 PM #

FYI

Soon, all Palm OS devices will use virtual graffiti, so you can forget about Sony making thier hack a standard.

Didn't anyone READ the Press Release???

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 1:45:11 PM #
Doug Devries, V.P., Hardware Engineering at HandEra said:
“Choosing Epson for our newest design was easy, it has the highest performance of any LCD Controller we have ever used and their support staff was excellent,”...“Their architecture enables developers to easily provide support for high resolution applications while at the same time allowing OEMs to get product to market faster.”

And someone asked why Handera isn't using 320x320:
HandEra’s QVGA’s architecture currently offers three times more pixels (240 x 320) than standard Palm Powered™ devices (160 x 160).

QVGA is an emerging standard for Palm Powered ™ devices. QVGA-aware applications include support for a high-resolution 240 x 320 pixel screen, additional display fonts, and a collapsible 'virtual' graffiti area. Applications that support QVGA provide end-users with more detailed bitmaps and enhanced performance. The QVGA standard was originally adopted for the HandEra 330 computing device, which features one of the highest resolution screens on the market. New products with built-in QVGA technology and Epson LCD Controller support are anticipated to rollout within the coming year. Epson’s most recent product announcement, the S1D13A05 LCD Controller, will be among the controllers supported by HandEra. The SID13A05 has an embedded 256KB of display buffer, thereby allowing resolutions up to 320 x 320 at 65,536 colors. Its high resolution capability is complemented by a hardware acceleration engine providing high performance graphic drawing functions and an embedded USB client making it a highly integrated companion IC for today’s handheld devices.

And lastly, when are the new Palm designs expected to be announced?
A series of new handheld design win announcements are expected within the next few months.

COME ON PEOPLE - follow a couple of links and read for yourself! You can answer your own questions if you just use the resources presented!

RE: Didn't anyone READ the Press Release???
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 2:17:35 PM #
Epson is talking about announcing winning contracts, not when you'll see designs of new Palms.

RE: Didn't anyone READ the Press Release???
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 4:23:56 PM #
copy writer fluff isnt sticky enough for fast readers. Personally, I would prefer a spec sheet.

Throw in some descent mac support and you've got a sale.

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 2:33:51 PM #
USB support. and syncing without using third party apps. I like it, I like the idea....

Please Make a Palm V Form Factor with QVGA

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/29/2002 9:15:26 PM #
If HandEra makes a Palm V form factor machine with QVGA I'll buy one straight away! In my opinion these guys are the "real" innovators in the Palm space now.

RE: Please Make a Palm V Form Factor with QVGA
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/4/2002 6:58:00 PM #
Here Here!
I can't believe there has not been more talk/demand for just that, a QVGA, Palm V form factor, Audio support, ARM processor.
Sales would go through the roof. Lets face it no other form factor comes close to the Palm V. Its sexy, pocketable and usable. I would not be surprised if that is what Palm Inc are secretly working on now. It just has to come out soon, without pre-leaked info, and before others do. I think there is a clear expectation in the market place for this and we will see it from one company or another. I for one, would buy one straight away before I could sell my m505.

with hopefull expectations, BB

Handspring Treo screen???

TDS @ 1/29/2002 10:30:15 PM #
Handspring has announced that they are releasing a "new techology" with the new Tro 270 this summer. A color screen that is readable indoors and outdoors. Hmmmm.... Could Epson be involved?
I suppose these Epson screens are to large to be used on a Treo. And Soft Graffiti makes little sense with a built in Keyboard... Oh Well.. I guess we will have to see what they release!

Doug

RE: Handspring Treo screen???
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 5:26:43 AM #
I don't understand the 180g model. The only advantage ot could theoretically have would be virtual graffitti. If they are not going to bother, there's no point for that model. Of course it will fail, but only because Handspring is lazy.

RE: Handspring Treo screen???
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 5:09:57 PM #
>I don't understand the 180g model. The only advantage
>ot could theoretically have would be virtual
>graffitti. If they are not going to bother, there's
>no point for that model.

Well, personally, I prefer writing with a pen - something I do every day away from my Palm - to typing with my thumbs - something I don't do anywhere. It just feels more natural to grab a pen and start scribbling, even if the characters are slightly weird, than to poke at a QWERTY keyboard with two fingers. I'll certainly buy the 180g myself, hard Grafitti or no.

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