Comments on: Quickies: 16 MB m130, N710C Upgrade, CASL, and More

STNE Corporation is already offering an upgrade to 16MB of memory for the brand-new Palm m130 for $115. -Will

The upgrade program to bring Sony's PEG-N710C up to Palm OS 4.1 will end on March 15. It costs $50 and has been available since late November. -Ben Combee

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Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 9:36:49 AM #

For only $394 + Shipping, I can get an m130 with 16Mb RAM and a voided warranty instead of paying $399 for an m515 or Sony Clie T615C with 16Mb RAM built in.

Sign me up!!

RE: Great Deal!!!

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/5/2002 9:44:14 AM #

give the guy a break, he's just trying to make a living...

Consider this

dwarchbold @ 3/5/2002 9:52:57 AM #

Many people claim the color display of the m130 could very well be the best of any color PDA on the market right now. If this is true (I haven't seen one up close yet), then perhaps for some people the extra $115 is worth the upgrade.

No one is forcing you to upgrade it. And in a few months time, when the m130 drops in price, the upgrade will probably look more and more reasonable.

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 10:01:19 AM #

I doubt that the M130 has the best screen on the market, considering it is 1/3 the resolution of the CE machines, and 1/4 the resolution of the Sonys. With resolution that bad, brightness doesn't make much difference.

RE: Great Deal!!!

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/5/2002 10:05:24 AM #

it is a very nice screen, just go and see one for yourself, it's a bit small, but just as bright as any ppc... as for detail, i'm not sure, the display models didn't have daigrams or photo's to use as a comparison, but it is one of the best screens in my opinion...the m515 is also a great improvement, and is as bright as any ppc....

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 10:15:32 AM #

With resolution that bad, brightness doesn't make much difference.

You mean the resolution 90% of the Palm PDA's and 99% of the applications use?

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 10:21:08 AM #

> You mean the resolution 90% of the Palm PDA's and 99%
> of the applications use?

More like 99% and 99.9%. Yes, the annoyingly vocal Sony hi-res fanatics are that small of a minority. Not that I don't want to see support for better resolutions on all Palms or anything like that. Your numbers were just off.

Missed some points here!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 10:46:07 AM #

>You mean the resolution 90% of the Palm PDA's
>and 99% of the applications use?

Totally missed the point of HiRes! I bet you never use a Clie.

Yes there only a few of programs supports HiRes, but see how well they do! (http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/thresolutioncompare.jpg)

Even for most software which does not support HiRes, Clie still show them up in a much better way then 160x160. You can see the difference easily by comparing them in built-in programs (Datebook, Address, ToDo, Note..)

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 10:50:17 AM #

I don't blame the upgrade people, I blame PALM. Put the 16MB in the device from the beginning. Don't screw your customers.

Sigh

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:07:12 AM #

Must every thread here be about the T615C?

RE: Great Deal!!!

jjsoh @ 3/5/2002 11:15:04 AM #

> I doubt that the M130 has the best screen on the
> market, considering it is 1/3 the resolution of the
> CE machines, and 1/4 the resolution of the Sonys.
> With resolution that bad, brightness doesn't make
> much difference.

Last I checked, m130 has a resolution of 160x160. Even if the m130 didn't have the best screen on the market, it does not have 1/3 the resolution of 'CE' machines (avg. 240x320) and certainly not 1/4 the resolution of Sony's (320x320). It's more like 1/2 the resolution of both.

You might be talking about actual screen size, in hich case you'd still be wrong.

RE: Sigh

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:18:40 AM #

> Must every thread here be about the T615C?

Unfortunately it appears that way. My guess is that we have a couple teenagers with rich parents who always buy them the latest expensive toy. Before it was the N710C, then the N760C and now the T615C. It'd be hilarious to watch these people behave in public the way they do here. Just think about it. Walk up to some stranger on the street, "what did you buy that m100 for, get a Sony T615C, it rulez dude!"

The point to this upgrade isn't that you'd run out and get it today. It is good knowing that if I get a m130 today, I will probably be able to upgrade it to more RAM later, if I decide that I need it.

Palm Customer Service sucks

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:20:33 AM #

I've been hung up on 2 times this morning and I'm on call #3. My asssociate sent an email to Palm service weeks ago and still got no reply. Ridiculous. Sony can't be that much worse!

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:24:18 AM #

320x320 IS 4 times the resolution of 160x160

Do the math

320x320=102,400 pixels
160x160=25,600 Pixels

25,600 x 4 = 102,400

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:28:20 AM #

"certainly not 1/4 the resolution of Sony's (320x320). It's more like 1/2 the resolution of both."

320 is twice the pixel resolution of 160. Now multiply that by 2 because the resolution on clies are 320 x 320 or 2 x 2. This will give you 4 times the resolution.

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:31:11 AM #

I have more pixels than you do!!! Nah Nah - Nah Nah Nah!!

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:10:34 PM #

People who use 160x160 live longer, healthier lives.

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 1:26:17 PM #

Does anyone recommend this company? I have an M500 and I think having 16 megs of native memory would be nice. And $114 seems reasonable.

RE: Great Deal!!!

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/5/2002 2:17:03 PM #

i wonder if they could put a color m515 screen into my m500 and boost the memory...oh and put a jog dial while you're at it...it would cost a pretty penny, but that would be one funky m500...

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:47:57 PM #

"i wonder if they could put a color m515 screen into my m500 and boost the memory...oh and put a jog dial while you're at it...it would cost a pretty penny, but that would be one funky m500..."

Just get a Clie! :)

RE: Great Deal!!!

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/5/2002 4:20:17 PM #

sorry, i only buy american;-)(so what if the units are made in other contries, the company is american!!)

RE: Great Deal!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 8:04:07 PM #

Sorry, I'm lost. My brain hurts. Could someone please explain what the number of pixels on a CLIE screen has to do with a story about upgrading the memory on a Palm.

End of upgrade date for N710 interesting...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 2:07:28 PM #

Anyone else notice that the end of availability for upgrades for the N710 coincides with the CeBIT Conference? The local Sony outlet store in Elsinore, CA has lots of N760Cs for sale too (sitting at $349). The N710s got as low as $199 before they disappeared.

Something up at Sony?

More time options

PFloyd @ 3/5/2002 9:20:50 PM #

I've had very good success with NetTime 1.1 from Douglas Lowder. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2CC20E7 Oh, I see he's up to 1.11

HELP!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 5:55:34 PM #

This is a letter directed to anybody who nows a thing or two about palm computing:

Recently Ive noticed that our palm devices are becoming faster with their new processors; but there's something that will still be slow, and thus, will slow down considerably your whole machine no matter what processor you are using...and that is the memory card. Memory cards are not slow as such, but I've noticed that apparently what really makes a memory card slow (I think) is the way the OS is arranging (by default) our programs, books, pictures, and other stuff to be accessed from within a card. Have you ever used tealmovie, for example, and noticed how slow it is searching for movies when it has to look in the whole "card/launcher" folder?? ...now, on the other hand, take a program like Mcfile and createa new folder and put only your movies in that folder and tell the tealmovie program to look for movies in that folder only...the program becomes 10 times faster!!

Well, I currently own an m505 and have a 128 MB sandisk card in it, plus I have about 25 medical books in the damn thing working just fine (which is amazing, by the way, 'cause all the books are stored in the card...who needs bookbags!!); But I've noticed my machine getting extremely slow when accessing the card, which is no surprise to me because I noticed (by using mcfile) that all programs by default, store everything in the same "card/palm/launcher" folder, which naturally makes the palm extremely slow since it has to look between pictures, games and other useless stuff to find the books between all those things....so my question to you is...
Is there a special program or a special way of controlling or assigning book readers & other programs, speciffic folders (that you've created) in order for them to look in that speccific folder for books, or for pictures, or for movies, etc., instead of the devicehaving to look for a speciffic book in a giant "generally-throw-everything-in-there" folder...is there a way to do that??

If there would be a way to do this, I truly think we could speed up the memory card search process by a lot!!

RE: HELP!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 10:19:16 PM #

If you read the PC magazine review of storage media from last fall, you will note that the speed of an SD card is only 2Mbps, just like MMC. The springboard is 6.4 Mbps, and the memory stick is 5 Mbps. As you can se, the latter two are much faster. I am sorry to say, but I beleive that the problem is that no one else uses as much stuff on the memory cards as medical profesionals (perhaps????) I know because I am an FP. I will not ever select the palm, because the card is and has always been, ridiculously slow. My advice is this- use only software from Skyscape.com, it is tremendously fast when compared to the handheldmed and athand stuff. I threw away my athand harrison's because it was unusably slow, even in main memory. I want the sony for the faster card access (5 vs. 2) but I do not know how fast the thing reaaly is yet. I know that it is faster than the slowest thing in the world- the SD. I saw my freinds take 2 minutes to load a photo once on his 505. Unacceptable. I think that this is how it goes. Magazines and people buy the palms w/ sd cards because they want to put small files like games or other 50-100k apps on it, or they never use the expansion at all. They think all of the cards are the same. Its only the real power users- MDs like us, engineers, other professionals that require hard core memory usage on a daily basis that realize how slow the thing really is. No offense to palm- really a great product otherwise. They just wanted the smallest damn thing they could get to shoehorn in- the SD. It was designed to use in a camera or MP3 player- really slow data rate is just fine there. Never truly meant for searching 5mcc or harrison's. Good luck