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In an an unprecedented move, Handspring has just announced that it is un-discontinuing the Visor Platinum. It's available now for a limited time directly from Handspring for $170. The company is also offering a free Flex Module Case with the handheld.

The Platinum was discontinued at the end of last year. It was replaced by newer models.

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''Undiscontinuation''?

ImpReza @ 3/5/2002 3:22:19 PM #
I've never heard of anything like that before.

RE: ''Undiscontinuation''?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:42:44 PM #
Got to admit, this is odd. The Prism, while a good PDA, is pretty much the same as the Neo. Why reanimate it? If they just had a few left over, they should have sold them to Costco or QVC.

I have this mental picture of decaying Platinum corpses stumbling through a graveyard growling "Batteries! Batteries!!"

RE: ''Undiscontinuation''?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 7:48:46 AM #
There *IS* a precendence here, but only one as far as I know.
Anyone remember the HP Deskjet 500? It was one of the first
inkjet printers, which along with Canon was one of only two
injket print engines available (Apple used Canon). However,
the inkjet market was very slow, so HP decided to close out the
Deskjet 500 and dropped the price to about $350. The printers
flew off the shelves at that price. HP got smart and decided to
"undiscontinue" the printer and re-released it at the new price
permanently. And the rest is history.

RE: ''Undiscontinuation''?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:55:08 AM #
It happens before to the 2CV french car ;)

In other words...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:25:48 PM #
while cleaning our warehouse we found a couple of pallets of Platinums in a back corner so we made up this story to make this obsolete device look more attractive to naive consumers

Haaaaa
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:27:51 PM #
Oh my - just enough strength to pull myself from the floor to type this....sides are splitting.

Actually, very very embarassed for HS.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:46:48 PM #
Talk about a dead-on assessment of the situation.

Seriously, Handspring might have been better-off taking those machines, changing the cases, and shipping them off as Visor Neos. But then, I guess that would have necessitated new packaging, etc.

What a pathetic attempt at "news" from a once-proud, now-decaying company. I honestly wonder if even the Treo--assuming it's all it's reported to be--can save them from the Dead Companies Hall of Fame.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 3:59:18 PM #
thats taking a bit far..

the story probably is the truth, but i dont think handspring is gonna die/.

They can have mine back...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:48:58 PM #
What a joke.

I've had mine about 10 months and hated every day with it. The paint is worn off in places, it feels like it's falling apart, and that clip-off cover is beyond a pain. Complete junk.

I've missed by Palm III everyday since I purchased it... but I needed the 8MB.

And why anyone would buy it when they can now have a Sony with 16 MB for the same price is beyond me.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:58:40 PM #
> And why anyone would buy it when they can now have a Sony with 16 MB
> for the same price is beyond me.

They can't. The S360 is $200, $40 more.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 6:20:42 PM #
You pay $40 more and get JogDial,MS expansion and extra 8mb RAM, it's not a bad deal i think.

This is just silly!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 7:58:26 PM #
Are the marketing folks at HS drunk?

I guess any way to get some news coverage is what they must be going for. Oh Well.

R.I.P. Handspring, Inc.

RE: This is just silly!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 8:14:55 PM #
No, they just need money..

RE: In other words...
Scott @ 3/5/2002 8:59:37 PM #
Funny joke. I posted almost the exact same thing on PDABuzz before you. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you thought it up on your own, though, since the notion came so quickly to me. It certainly seems like a ridiculous story on Handspring's part. I have this vision of thousands of upset customers-to-be sending mass emails to Handspring begging them to revive the Platinum.

Scott

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 10:50:29 PM #
LoL, they could repackage the damn thing and call it Visor X or whatever name they want, this way ppl will think it really is a new product, and Handspring is really not going to stop making PDA as soon as they think. But no.. I have to re-release the old Visors so you'll think that I have too much stock hanging in the warehouse collecting dust.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 2:00:53 AM #
"You pay $40 more and get JogDial,MS expansion and extra 8mb RAM, it's not a bad deal i think."

Please post messages like these to the appropriate Forum. This thread has nothing at all to do with Sony products.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 7:05:47 AM #
Just TAKE IT EASY , man ....

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 8:38:50 AM #
people here are very sensitive about four letter word S-O-N-Y or C-L-I-E, when ever they see soemthing like this or close to this their automatic defensive mechanism will kick in and things like the following will start to show up

1) Sony change their connector every 3 months
2) Sony doesnt support their PDA
3) Clie has no accessories
4) 320X320 sucks it's not standard
5) Memory stick sucks it's not standard.

if you stay here longer you'll get used to it, don't worry.

Sigh
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:40:24 AM #
Must every single thread be about Sony? Geez, you Sony fanatics have to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 12:07:45 PM #
Whether it's Sony, Handspring, or whatever, it isn't going to matter much later in the year when Palm OS 5 is released and running on new ARM based processors. I currently use the Visor Deluxe, which I'll soon replace because I want to run software that won't run on OS 3.1 and am considering several options. I'd like to keep supporting Handspring, but I will not be duped into buying another Visor that was discontinued.

Plam Spotting...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 12:08:29 PM #

Anyone notice that in the TV show 24, the hero is used
a Visor with what look like an ActiveLink Module, while
the bad guy used a Sony Clie?

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 12:32:58 PM #
OK, it's a funny joke again.. GOOD guy v.s BAD guy .. Oh my.. get a life , people..

RE: In other words...
swinginjonny @ 3/6/2002 3:04:47 PM #
I liked it. (Seeing as we are unfamiliar with sarcasm...it WAS a joke.)

RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 3:18:57 PM #
"Anyone notice that in the TV show 24, the hero is used
a Visor with what look like an ActiveLink Module, while
the bad guy used a Sony Clie?"

And the girl who turned out to be a traitor was using a Samsung I300.

I especially liked how their Visor could download satellite IMAGES using the GPS locator. "Look out, there's a bad guy behind that tree over there!" ;)

-pc-


RE: In other words...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/7/2002 11:16:28 AM #
>
> And the girl who turned out to be a traitor was using a Samsung I300.
>

Good Point! Someone claimed that the good guys use Macs and the bad guys
use PCs, *including* Ms. I300, who we *thought* was a good guy. I can't
really tell PCs from Macson that show.

>
> I especially liked how their Visor could download satellite IMAGES
> using the GPS locator. "Look out, there's a bad guy behind that tree over
> there!" ;)
>

Nina *did* say the image was a few hours old and Jack said he just wanted
a rough head count of the bad guys, not exact postions.

It sure did look like they were using it as a GPS, though. Is there a
GPS/modem combo module we don't know about? :)

Meanwhile the bad guy with the Clie used it merely to look at an image of
the guy he was about to kill to comfirm his identity. Go figure.


Whither the Neo?

chbarr @ 3/5/2002 3:47:53 PM #
I looked at the specs...aside from some minor differences in software, isn't the Neo essentially the same thing as a platinum, in a shiney new case?

RE: Whither the Neo?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 4:13:53 PM #
Yes. They're identical, except for a very, very slight update of the OS on the ROM chips and the silver casing.

Maybe they just had a bunch of silver cases left over and are slapping them onto existing Neo guts? I can't imagine the production lines being very much affected at all.

Still, it's a nice machine if it fits your needs.


K. Tran

RE: Whither the Neo?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 5:54:40 PM #
Platinum is much faster than Neo, even though they have same CPU. And there is some problem in Neo. If you change the type of battery, you find you cannot use IR.

Trust me...

peter167 @ 3/5/2002 7:32:45 PM #
This is one of the best reasons to "re-release" a model! Like HotRod or Antique?

Just so funny....

******************
Lie is the future.

dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 8:17:44 PM #
Any comments about this?

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 8:48:27 PM #
I think it might be disappointing sales for the Neo. I ordered the Neo and when I got it the cheap plastic case was awful and had minor cracks. I looked at the Platinum as a better constructed Neo. I ended up getting a Sony PEG-S320.

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:08:13 AM #
Yet the Platinum is also poorly constructed, just not so much as the Neo.

Here's a new marketing campaign for Handspring:

Visor: get the *new* pathetic piece of crap
OR
NOW get the *old* piece of crap that doesn't suck quite as bad as the new one!

Seriously, Handspring got it right by adding the Springboard slot with the original Visor (particularly the Deluxe), and they got it right with the Prism - oh, wait, except for the paint that literally COMES OFF when you HOLD IT. Let's look at how many models they've released:
1) Visor Solo
2) Visor Deluxe
3) Visor Platinum
4) Visor Prism
5) Visor Edge
6) Visor Pro
7) Visor Neo
We'll say 2 out of 7 were really good, but let's make it 1.5 out of 7 because the Prism had cheap-casing issues. That's a batting average of .214--not exactly a great performance record by any means.

So tell me again what a great company Handspring is?

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:35:02 AM #
Good enough to sell the second most number of handhelds since the year the company started up and it is still outselling all the other companies. Complain all you want but the Visors have sold and sold well. Success speaks for itself.

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 10:30:30 AM #
My Point is exactly. and fr you speculation that Treo sales is disappointing....all I have to do is laugh. handspring will *finally* be profitable thanks to the Treo.

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
ColonelKlink @ 3/6/2002 11:37:32 AM #
I see the comparison of Palm to Handspring to be similar to Microsoft and Apple. You've got thousands of diehards who don't want to go with the big-brother/evil company and instead go with Handspring, just to be different.

I think that the company that produces the OS, sets the standards. Which is why I don't go with Handspring or Sorny (Stony), although the latter has caught my eye on several occasions.

Here's my take; Go with Palm if you want a PDA that'll have a lot of support (customer base), accessories, and upgradability. Go with Sony if you want a PDA that does everything you need it to do NOW, and in the very near future, regardless of add-ons. Go with Handspring to be bloody different.

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 7:16:23 PM #
"I see the comparison of Palm to Handspring to be similar to Microsoft and Apple. "

LOL LOL LOL LOL
You must be kidding!
First of all Apple produces high-quality hardware and software, while HS only produces cheap, toy-like devices, without any appeal. Their only advantage at one point, the expansion module seems like a joke right now.

RE: dissapointing sales performance for Treo!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 8:13:05 PM #
"I see the comparison of Palm to Handspring to be similar to Microsoft and Apple"

Well I see the comparison of Palm to Sony to be similar to Microsoft and Apple. At least Sony des innovate and make quality product. on the other hand handspring only clams to be innovating and make crappy products.

Platinum is the best looking Visor

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 11:23:38 PM #
I think it was a mistake Handspring discontinued the Platinum. It is the only model with a professional look. All those so called "colorful" look like toys and cheap. I like the Springboard idea but couldn't stand the cheap look of the Visors until Platinum, which I bought. It is good to find out my trusted Platinum has more value now :-)

*nods*
webgremlin @ 3/6/2002 12:25:42 AM #
As tempting as the "lost pallets of platinums" thing is, I'm willing to bet that at least part of the story is the higher style of the case. Many have pointed out how this is basically a Visor Neo, but think of this as a "special edition" Neo with a classier case.

-wg <><

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 1:54:39 AM #
I bet the re-released Visor Platinum sells well.

You know, we 'crusty-edge-of-innovation' types like to rant about innovation and other nonsense like that, but the average user just wants the basic functionality for a sensible price.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 2:06:44 AM #
Also consumers want a product line that's not going to die within a year.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 3:20:35 AM #
What if the product line dies in 1 year. There are still people who use PalmPilots bought 5 years ago. And they are happy. So what?

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 8:20:55 AM #
So are ppl going to buy palmpilots now ?

I am not saying that there's no product that has a life cycle of over 5 years, Newton is a good example, 5 years after they discontinued, there are still people buying and selling it, why ?? because they use things that people could easily built on, PCMCIA, Powerful ARM Chip.

But just face it, palm's technology (should I use the word technology ?? coz there's not much technology involved in palm os anyways, O well life goes on) is so old that it's close to obsolete in the past year. Do you know why people jumped ship like crazy in the past year?

As for Visor, knowing that I'll probably won't be able to run most of those future applications on my device, and the product line will be cut in less than a year, will application developers keep development or maintainance of my application after PalmOS 5/6 is released ?

Will Visor users be able to setup a community and start making their own applications and hardware support like the newton users ?? LoL the possibility is pretty low, Are they going to build their own springboard modules??

I highly doubt anyone's still using palmpilot now, I used to have one, but I am glad I managed to sold it before palm III came out, I can't even put a decent dictionary in it without removing most of my applications.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:16:23 AM #
<< Also consumers want a product line that's not going to die within a year. >>

And the Handspring apologists rear their ugly heads...

I've got news for you: this product line is ALREADY dead. Handspring's sales now amount to people picking the bones like vultures, looking for the cheapest possible price.

Face it - Springboard is essentially dead. The Visor line will be GONE within the next year. Handspring is shifting focus to the Neo and abandoning the SB standard. Pretty soon, the peripherals will be disappearing, too, like the Stowaway keyboard.

If you pay attention to software releases, you'll notice that many developers are moving toward version 3.5 as a MINIMUM standard. Soon, 4.0 will be minimum--then your Visor Platinum will be reduced to a glorified $200 day planner.

About the only thing, oddly enough, that seems plentiful with regard to HS is cases. Well, enjoy your out-dated Visor Platinum and the 18 cases you bought for it.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:22:41 AM #
<< I bet the re-released Visor Platinum sells well. >>

Not if it's positioned on the display next to the Sony Clie S360, which has twice the memory, better screen, newer OS, smaller form factor, and the power of the name "Sony" across it's front.

Platinum is dead. The "warehouse theory" is correct.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:24:45 AM #
I neglected to mention that the Sony sells for $40 more, but that will have a neglible effect. Both prices start with "1," and that has the biggest effect in the mind of the consumer. That's why prices list at "$199.99" instead of "$200" - consumer psychology.

I also neglected to mention that the Palm m125 will probably be right next to the Platinum (actually, that's more likely in most stores), with a better form factor, better (though smaller) screen, etc. Lest you all think I'm merely one of the "Sony trolls."

Like I said, Platinum is dead. The "warehouse theory" is correct.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:26:27 AM #
Much of what you say is true except for the "better screen" part. The only downside to the S360 is its screen is horrible, probably the worst mono screen going. The Platinum has the best. It has great contrast, for mono.

That's how Sony is able to sell a 16MB handheld for $200. They saved money on the screen.

Despite the S360's many advantages, money talks. People will still be swayed by the fact that the Platinum is $40 less.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:29:16 AM #
<< It is the only model with a professional look. >>

Actually, NONE of the "traditional" Visors look professional--they look CHEAP.

The Visor Edge is the ONLY "professional-looking" Visor, but it's hampered by it's lack of features and by that STUPID backpack Springboard sled--another reason why Springboard is dying--too big.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:37:49 AM #
Errr...

How are the S360 and m125 screens "better" than the Visor's?

As far as I've seen, and others will agree, the monochrome contrast on the Handspring screens are second to none.

For the record, I do own a Visor, but I will agree that the S360 is a more appealing machine.


rgds,

K. Tran

Sigh
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 9:42:20 AM #
Must every single thread be about Sony? Geez, you Sony fanatics have to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.

RE: Platinum is the best looking Visor
ColonelKlink @ 3/6/2002 11:45:51 AM #
One thing I noticed when I had a visor in my hand was how cheap it felt, too. The plastic case and round edges reminded me of a Game Boy. (In fact when I showed it to one of my less-educated coworkers I slipped out the SB cover and said that it took Game Boy cartridges, and they believed me...) It does have a larger screen than the m1xx, but I have seen examples of both the m100 and Sony s300 that have beautifully high-contrast screens, better than the platinums I've seen.

I like the silver colored case and it's speed, but not it's form-factor or screen.

Shh-pinnn

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/6/2002 8:15:40 PM #
Whomever Handspring hired to spin their marketspeak must be a freshie. Who do they take us consumers for? Idiots? I agree with the reader that they probably did a stocktake and oops...another box of Visor Platinums! Oh dear, did they fudge their accounts and said they sold all that too when it was just sitting right there under their nose?

Handspring - get real!

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