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Most cars are ready, but engines will not start without gasoline. The ads did not tell me.
The XP ads shows me that someone can fly, but I hope so.
The Nissan Altima showed me I can chase the sunset, which means the car is really fast (indeed it is, but not as fast as the earth is rotating.)
The claim for Palm.net service is required for i705 to surf the net is even crazy. Does anyone tell me I have to subscribe to a plan for my cell-phone? Otherwise, I might not be able to call someone?
FTC are just being too picky here.
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Lie is the future.
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The word internet ready means everything you need for internet is in the bundle, that includes a computer with ethernet or Modem card, so all you do is plug a phone line in then there'll be setup wizards to help you do the rest. If you sell a computer wthout modem or Ethernet card then claims it's internet ready then it's a flat out lie.
"Most cars are ready, but engines will not start without gasoline. The ads did not tell me."
Because that is common sense, but if you sell a product that's not as common as car you need to tell people that you need a certain thing(s) to get it to work, even as popular Gameboy because it's not common sense that Gameboy needs batteries, they always need to have the "Batteries sold separately" label somewhere.
"The XP ads shows me that someone can fly, but I hope so."
OMFG any normal human being will know XP won't make you fly. but palm's commercials are illustrating things that is doable, and ppl will think "Cool, palm can do that" without knowing that they need to add another few hundred bucks to buy a cellphone.
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"The XP ads shows me that someone can fly, but I hope so."
OMFG any normal human being will know XP won't make you fly. but palm's commercials are illustrating things that is doable, and ppl will think "Cool, palm can do that" without knowing that they need to add another few hundred bucks to buy a cellphone.
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With the exception of REALLY imaginative children, just like normal people, the poster knows XP will not make you fly (at least I hope that's the case ^_^).
Though his statements seem exaggeratedly absurd, he's just citing examples to illustrate a point. Personally, I don't know how misleading these ads were, but Palm is not the first to have the FTC breathing down their backs.
Microsoft and HP got a head start this time last year with false advertising (their 2nd charge) concerning PocketPC's:
http://www.pdabuzz.com/News/viewnews.cgi?newsid983208828,1543,
It's all business. (Some just more underhanded than others.)
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(Sorry Ed, I know you want us to use ashorterlink, but I'm just being lazy)
Deceptive Ads? Yes Palm
Palm did make deceptive ads, they did mislead the buying public. They alleged and implied thay they had capabilities the Palm units do not have out of the box.
Have you ever noticed that ads never ever imply that the product has fewer capabilities than they actually do.
How strange that these errors in judgement, these misperceptions only add to the revenue the company makes.
Yes Microsoft was caught in the same lie.
Its too bad the penalties arent enough to think they wont do it again.
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I don't agree. Not in Palm's case, anyway. Until very recently, Palm had done a pathetic job of advertising the capabilities of the devices they sell. When I bought my first Palm a couple years ago I thought I was buying an "organizer". A week later, thanks to sites like PIC, I had all but abandoned my pc.
I'm not sure Sony has done any better. Looking at the box my year-old Clie came in all it says is "Personal Entertainment Organizer". If that's all my Clie did, organize my "personal entertainment", I'd chuck it in the trash can.
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I know, that's why there's a paragraph talking about the H-P/Microsoft case in the article and a link at the end to the full story. Please tell me you guys read the articles you write comments on.
Sorry, you hit on a pet peeve of mine.
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FTC went after Microsoft and HP about a year ago
The FTC went after Microsoft and HP about a year ago for misleading statements of their own regarding wireless Internet access.
FTC charges false advertising against HP and Microsoft
February 26, 2001
FTC filed a false advertising charge against Microsoft in a year over their now defunct "Can your Palm do that?" advertising campaign. The previous FTC action was not related to Microsoft's Pocket PC product. The FTC claimed that Microsoft and HP used false and deceptive advertising when claiming that Palm users had to pay extra to make their Palm devices wireless capable while in very fine print at the bottom mentioning that Palm's "new line" can do wireless out of the box.
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LoL I know for a fact that those bigger breast things works, but it just shrunks back if you stop taking for a while, But really don't know how those bigger penis things work though :P
It this stupid time or what?
I can kinda see the point...
Minstrel Modem!
And, a Palm combined with a cell phone CAN connect to the Internet. I have seen a Palm Vx with the Mobile Internet Kit connect via IR to a Nokia Phone as the modem.
RE: I can kinda see the point...
Have Fun!
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HOW TO GET BLUETOOTH ON A UNSUPPORTED HANDHELD: Take a pair of pliars, place them around the nearest available tooth, pull, paint it blue, glue it to your handheld
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HOW TO GET BLUETOOTH ON A UNSUPPORTED HANDHELD: Take a pair of pliars, place them around the nearest available tooth, pull, paint it blue, glue it to your handheld
RE: I can kinda see the point...
I have connected with Cingular wireless ( in Texas) by using my 3360 infrared and Palm 505. If you call and ask for Internet access from Cingular ( an additional 5.00 per month) you can use the 3360 as the modem. Turn on the infrared on the phone and then on your 505 go to the preferences icon and tap the network. Complete the service information for your existing ISP and then under the connection drop down, tap IR to phone.
One warning.. this can eat the heck out of your airtime minutes.
A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.
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Oh, you don't know avantgo has been around ever since palmpilot pro, so you don't really need palm OS 3.5. That is not internet, that's an offline browser. can you do any asp calls, CGI calls in avantgo ?? no then what kind of internet is that, I can't even search things in it.
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Off topic? Yeah!
The Bible says he who has no sin, cast the first stone.
RE: The Bible says he who has no sin, cast the first stone.
Richer, yes. Smarter? I don't think so. Take a look at the deposition transcripts from top togs Ballmer and Allchin ( http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/legalnews.asp ). These guys come off like morons! They don't even know what's going on in their own departments, and in some cases, which products they've released. It'd be hilarious reading if it weren't so pathetic.
RE: The Bible says he who has no sin, cast the first stone.
Regardless, his point is still valid: you can't have your cake and eat it too. Trying to use the gov't to get rid of competition and then having it come back and bite you in the *&! has a certain justice to it.
It is an age old scam dating back to the Railroad days in the Wild West, and MSFT is just the latest victim, with Palm, Netscape, etc., being the ones hitting below the belt.
Don't get me wrong, I like Palm's products, but I say shame on them for jumping on the "let's use the gov't to get MSFT" bandwagon.
RE: The Bible says he who has no sin, cast the first stone.
"Oh, sorry officer. I did not know the speed limit was 25MPH"
RE: The Bible says he who has no sin, cast the first stone.
Not Pilot
...In accordance with the prophecy...
Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com
RE: Sin all you want, we'll make more.
"Allchin admitted to lawyers for the states that Microsoft violated the law but refused to specify the violations."
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/industry/03/05/microsoft.states.ap/index.html
Don't come crying to those of us who tried to get the Microsoft Monopoly to play nice with the industry it has enslaved when you're forced to pony up money to start your device, and again for every application (oops sorry OS feature) you wish to run on your computer, and again for every byte that passes through the MS Networking protocol, and again per use of the only MS-allowed implementation of the federally-mandated encryption protocols.
Federal intervention is vital when it is plain that this organization has reneged on its prior settlements and obliterated competitors by leveraging their monopoly-level OS market share. The small business is not to be treated the same as the Fortune 100 business.
If you think software is expensive now. Just wait. No amount of levitation or flight granted by the use of Windows will let you get away from it.
Be aware Car Manufacturers
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Funny and quite Droll
For example, many of you clowns have bought annuities and other crap plans from MetLife. Let's hear it: you bought into their marketing lies and the agent got you to sign a nice premium for an annuity for Kiddie's college fund. Well, if you clowns knew some basic math you could set up your own annuities without paying some other clown to manage it.
Thanx.
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Why are you people so sore??
Not everybody is a techie to know everything about PDA, most people just go to BestBuy and look at what the box says, I bet there are less than 20% of customers actually KNOW an additional device is required when they see "Internet capability" on the box of palm device. This is Palm's responsibility to make it clear on the add.
Think about this, you are not a computer geek, you don't know much about it, you walk into a computer store and buy a computer which the ad says "This computer is capable for DSL / cable modem connection"
It turns out the fact is you need to purchase a network card which is NOT included in the computer, The ad says that just because it has the PCI slot which can let you put a network card in. Will you be pi**ed off and think that the ad mislead you?
Just want to be fair here, I tend to agree that this is Palm's fault. When the feature does not come with the original device, they should make it clear.
RE: Why are you people so sore??
Just being sneaky, trying to see just how far they could go deceiving without being deceptive. Sounds like just about every ad campaign that ever existed.
RE: Why are you people so sore??
Don't you just love the legal profession and how they have screwed up society with these frivilous lawsuits?
RE: Why are you people so sore??
Can you get on Google.com and search things on a offline avantgo ?? if the answer is no then I am sorry that is not internet.
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