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RE: why are they charging money
RE: why are they charging money
Handspring charges for their browser, so this should be no suprise to anybody.
I like my Palm!
RE: why are they charging money
RE: why are they charging money
You've been living in a world dominated by Microsoft for too long. Palm likes and supports third-party developers. It doesn't actively try to steal their business and put them out of business.
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What a joke.
I feel really sorry for anyone that bought an i705 and now they are being suckered to upgrade for 20 bucks.
This is only going to add support to PocketPC over Palm debate. "Palm charges 20 bucks for their browser while our's is Free!"
RE: why are they charging money
RE: why are they charging money
You've been living in a world dominated by Microsoft for too long. Palm likes and supports third-party developers. It doesn't actively try to steal their business and put them out of business."
I agree 100%
RE: why are they charging money
You want the browser, pay for it. You don´t want to pay, don´t use a browser or use AvantGo. I agree with all the posts that say that it is a reasonable price, considering it is a very difficult software to write. And making it free would kill 3rd. party developers and turn Palm into MS... Let´s hope this never happens :-)
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RE: why are they charging money
> being suckered to upgrade for 20 bucks
How do you know i705 users will have to pay for it? You don't, you just assumed it. Wait until you know whether you've been bit before you start howling.
RE: why are they charging money
Last Time I Checked Handspring Charged $20 for Blazer
If you're going to beat Palm up about this, then at least have the decency to beat up Handspring, too.
-Kevin Crossman
RE: why are they charging money
Err.. no I don't expect to get free oranges [stupid analogy]. Here's an anlogy that makes sense. You spend 25k on a new car and it doesn't come with floor mats. Do you tell the sales guy that you would like to pay 75 bucks for floor mats [sucker], or do you negotiate to have them thrown into the deal?
I really hate being so negative, but some of you guys are so blinded by your faith in Palm, that you refuse to be even somewhat critical of Palm, especially when they are trying to soak you for another 20 bucks after spending several hundred dollars on their latest and arguably greatest pda, not including accessories etc.
Part of the reason why I prefer Palm of PocketPC is because there are A LOT of freeware apps out there. Even the ones that aren't free, do have pretty good shareware versions. Like I already said, if Palm is going to start charging for applications to enhance their own product, it only makes it easier for M$ to creep on in.
It doesn't matter anyways. I'm sure Sony will have it included in their next wireless PDA. ;-)
If you're going to reply, point by point to this post, don't waste your time!
RE: why are they charging money
Wouldn't this be solved if Palm decided to include a clipping-only web browser in the ROM
of all their Palms, and selling this full-featured web browser for $20. After all, that is what
they did with the email app, datebook, etc. They included apps are adequate, but hardly full
featured.
This way they can still use the same philosphy they always have of cooperation instead of
Microsoft's philosophy of destroying competition, even competition that isn't originally theirs.
It is my opinion that for the i705 some form of web browser should have been included with
the device, in ROM, not installable from CDROM. If Palm decided that any new applicaiton
would be installable, then they should take all their apps out of ROM and make them
installable too. This is getting into another topic.
-- Paul
RE: why are they charging money
>Well, Eudora already gives their Palm browser away for
>free, and that hasn't killed off the competition.
But you are forgetting that Palm has the ability to bundle their browser into every Palm sold, Eudora doesn't have this capability. Obviously this has a far greater impact on the ability of other free browsers to survive. Witness the whole DOJ case against Microsoft browser bundling.
I don't necessarily agree with having to pay for every piece of software, but the fact remains that there are free alternatives to the Palm browser.
So far the discourse on all the reasons why Palm can/should charge users are very intelligent and on-topic. A refreshing change and long may this trend continue.
RE: why are they charging money
RE: why are they charging money
of all their Palms, and selling this full-featured web browser for $20. "
Erm ... the clipping only browser is in nearly all OS 4 Roms - including Clie's. I use web clipping apps on my n770c as well as Blazer. Sadly the HTML renderer which Clippings use, and I imagine this browser will use, that is built into PalmOS at a fairly foundational level (it supports mail to links to a defined Mail App and can be called from other apps / call other apps) doesn't support Hi-Res even with Hi-Res Assist.
I am glad Palms browser is proxy based - it speeds things up!
RE: Gee . . . .
huh? There are already several good browsers for Palm, including ones that support graphics, cookies, frames, and even javascript.
RE: Gee . . . .
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Wasted development resources . . . . .
RE: Gee . . . .
Kinda defeats the purpose.
...and they shut out handspring users...
their biggest competitor in the wireless arena can't run it.
RE: ...and they shut out handspring users...
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RE: ...and they shut out handspring users...
CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
''full'' Web browser
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Palmscape was a good browser and it looks like Xiino will be great if they ever get around to translating it!
RE: ''full'' Web browser
A couple of days ago, there's was news on a Flash player for Palm OS. Now, a new browser for Palm. If this browser will have support for Javascript and has integrated Flash player, we are going places man!
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http://www.palmvenue.com - Where Palm OS users and developers meet.
RE: Xiino is good
I am not a Japanese native speaker, (I'm Swedish:) but I am currently in the process of learning Japanes, and I would really recomend it to anyone!
It is not as difficult as some people say, and it is very usefull (not only because you can watch original Anime without subtitles:).
Strange thing though, there have for a long time not been any new versions of Xiino on their site, but on sonys Clié supportsite there is. But only Xiino for Clié highresolution units.
And now they are talking about a Xiino 2.0 for the new Cliés. But still no progress on the version for standard Palms...
RE: ''full'' Web browser
move away from Web Clipping ?
PalmOS Dev. PQA Form=Closed to Posting
Yep, looks like they are really moving away from Web Clipping...Perhaps more towards Bluetooth stuff??
PalmOS Dev. PQA Form != Closed to Posting
RE: move away from Web Clipping ?
what do you mean? Bluetooth is a connection method - it doesnt compete with web-clipping. In fact - correct somebody if i am wrong - you can use a Bluetooth enabled Palm & phone to connect AND use web-clipping. no?
What sort of browser?
for 20 bucks it better does more than displaying italics and crooked pictures.
RE: What sort of browser?
Proxy Server
A proxy server will not work for sites behind out firewall.
RE: Proxy Server
Question regarding i705 use
In other words, do I have to buy a "true" modem for my i705 to use this?
RE: Question regarding i705 use
RE: Question regarding i705 use
Current Software will suffice....
RE: Current Software will suffice....
Scott
But will it truncate long pages on the i705?
yet another browser that truncates long web pages, as has every browser for
the i705 or VII series that I know of except for the defunct DPWeb, then I think
it's pretty useless. Will Palm be caching pages on their server so that i705
users can bring them in in chunks?
Great a browser ......
RE: Great a browser ......
Also, besides Handspring, who else makes a browser? AvantGo's is free but its kind of an add on to the off-line browsing function. Then there is the PalmScape people who haven't updated the English version of their app in forever. I don't think that qualifies as a thriving market.
RE: Great a browser ......
Hay palm how about start charging for the built-in PIM software too ? I am pretty sure alot ppl will be running towards 3rd party developers.
RE: Great a browser ......
An Open Letter To Palm, Inc
Ever since the Palm V, you have been wringing your hands and throwing it up in the air with nervous laughter. One joke after another is too much for us. Time to get off the stage and face your audience.
You can't heck it in hardware. Your m515 is 10 months late. And how did Sony get their hands on SuperVZ before you did, considering the m515 just came out a few weeks before their NR-series?
And if Microsoft decides to poach Sony away, your mSeries will probably appeal only to the shelves. Perhaps your main revenue stream is coming from hardware but at the rate you are going, it will spiral into a blackhole. Instead of focusing on losers like the m515, you should be focusing on potential winners like your OS.
The latest survey has shown that PalmOS share has declined. Microsoft may not get the market share as fast as they hoped but that doesn't mean they have given it up. They have in fact, released not 1 but 2 other mobile computing OS - Stinger for phones and Mira for tablets and their market share is rising.
With a 3-prong squeeze on you from Microsoft, the 4th prong is Symbian and the 5th Java, you WILL lose market share if you continue to let it.
You should focus on your OS and make sure OS5 has variants for phones, tablets, embedded, etc. And you need to do this fast! Reassign your resource (money) and engineers to PalmSource. How come Sony has a variable contrast slider versus your poky 3-settings?
The browser should have been part of the OS not because we are cheap but even PPC 2002 comes with it. Your "zen" or simplicity marketing position does not mean stripping it out and then make us pay for it.
Whomever is your marketing dept. should be all fired anyway. Where is Palm's "Intel Inside" equivalent? Sony's machines are making waves and you ain't taking a ride with it. Nope, you gave us Claudia Schiffer Palms instead.
PalmOS should be a real competitor to all the other OSes out there. The MIK and browser should have been part of the OS upgrade - not an optional upgrade!
Say it with me, "Slap my face with my own Palm - HARD"!
RE: An Open Letter To Palm, Inc
How is it that the cheaper m130 has a better looking screen than the expensive m515?
Anyway, I can't stand waiting for the glacial pace palm is taking. I bought a new toshiba laptop for $799 that has 1ghz celeron, 256meg ram, 15gig harddrive, dvd, windows xp home. Now I'm satisfied with my current pda, because for total functionality, I can bring my laptop.
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: An Open Letter To Palm, Inc
The Claudia Schiffer and Michael Jordan Palms were created by PTN Media, a reseller that buys handhelds from Palm and markets them with their own campaign. Palm is no more invloved than Microsoft chooses who is on the cover of PC Mall.
RE: An Open Letter To Palm, Inc
RE: ScreenShots
David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: ScreenShots
1. Our website is in italian only
2. At the moment, that review is reserved to subscribers only (free online subscriptions)
I can give you the URL of some picture, have a look at:
http://www.itapug.org/imgs/articoli/mr_mep/web_browser/home.gif
http://www.itapug.org/imgs/articoli/mr_mep/web_browser/itapug.gif
Complain Sue Victory
RE: Complain Sue Victory
Java enbled?
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Palm Web Browswer - Where is it?
RE: Palm Web Browswer - Where is it?
palm web browser
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