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The Palm Bluetooth SD Card is now listed on the PalmStore. This card has been available in Europe since last month but has only been available in the U.S. from a few stores and not from Palm itself. The card sells for $130 and it's available now. It will work with all Palm-branded handhelds that have an SD slot.
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got it a week ago in Belgium

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 7:58:04 AM #
Super easy to install
only thing bad is the height (15 mm bigger than SD card). So, my cover can't be closed with the BT card plugged :(
Also i have to play DJ with memory cards
But It's fantastic to get emails with my palm and my T39m without looking for IR alignment(?)

--
Willythep from Belgium
Sorry for my poor anglish

bought it at Hong Kong already
iitnaobor @ 3/12/2002 8:11:09 AM #
as i may have posted in the forums before,
I already bought the bluetooth SD card in Hong Kong already.... which is released to stores few weeks ago..... well.... imho it is pretty 'difficult; to set up the SD card to the phone.... and when the SD card pops into the palm it DOES NOT automatically go into an on-screen procedure! i have to go to the 'bluetooth' app to set it manually... took me an hour to set the whole thing up with my t39

but after that, it was working great.
It says it can reach a distance of 10m, but when i try to leave my t39 in my room and go to my living room (about 2m away with doors, walls) it is unable to connect....

otherwise it's a great product!

ps: bought it for 1280HK

--=iitnaobor=--

RE: got it a week ago in Belgium
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 11:25:23 AM #
I got my BT card one week ago. Installed in my new m130 and connected to my GPRS enabled Ericsson T39, it really was a new Palm feeling ;-)

But today MultiMail crashes with a memmory error, I had to reset my Palm with a full erase, and now, after rreinstalling form my backup, the BT connection does not work any more, even after complete and careful review of the whole setup...

So I think the overall software setup stability still is not stable and needs improvement!

RE: got it a week ago in Belgium
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 12:20:19 PM #
I have been using the Bluetooth SD card in conjunction with my t39 and GPRS for a week now. Setup was a breeze, less than 10 minutes. I can now check my mail just on my Palm, and sending long SMS is so much simpler now. I even am now using a couple of WAP sites now, which would be unthinkable for me without this setup.

RE: got it a week ago in Belgium
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 1:17:58 PM #
hi,
must say i have some troubles with MMPro III (w/o bt card) since i changed my old PV for a M505. Maybe MMPRO is not compatible with OS4. This is a old software and no new realease from Palm (new owner) since 1999.
Had some crash with eudora too but it seems it's a problem coming from autoshut off system.
i keep palm on with AOctrlDA when retrieving emails
Anyway, i have trouble with funSMS 3 and BT connexion, any experience?

WILLYTHEP


RE: got it a week ago in Belgium
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 4:17:52 AM #
Hi, I am in München, Germany. Where can I buy the SD blue tooth card in europe? Thanks for the information

RE: got it a week ago in Belgium
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 4:47:25 PM #
saturn hansa in der neuhauser strasse hat sie für €190

$500?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 8:30:31 AM #
you mean 25 lap dances? no way im paying that kind of cash for an stampsized ...thing.

RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 8:49:37 AM #
Wouldn't it be so cool if you'd read the article BEFORE commenting? Then you would have known that the BT card is $130, not $500, and that it's the BT access point for general-purpose networking that costs $500, and your stupidity wouldn't have been nearly so obvious and embarrassing.

RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:09:21 AM #
Wouldn't it have been good for you to read his post BEFORE commenting? Does he explicitly mention the product name that his post referrences? By simply questioning a $500 price tag, I just assumed he was talking about the Pico product. But then again, I'm not an arrogant jack *** who feels the need to start a flame war in every news/forum posting available on this site.

25 Lap Dances?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:09:30 AM #
Dude, with the cost now clearly defined at a mear 6 Lap "performances", you can see that by diverting your urges from "Crazy Horse" to CompUSA, you can stay home and play with your new blue tooth!

RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:20:22 AM #
> Does he explicitly mention the product name that his post referrences?

No, but he does call it "stampsized". The PicoBlue access point would make a truly Brobdingnagian stamp. :-)

I think the tone of second person's complaint was excessive but there is a reoccurring problem on these boards of people writing comments who clearly haven't fully read or understood the articles they are talking about. I would suggest that everyone read the entire article over twice before commenting. You'll save yourself some embarrassment and all of us some time.

RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:26:59 AM #
But if you are used to paying $500 for 25 lapdances, you are already used to paying that much for a postage stamp sized thing! ;-)

RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:27:13 AM #
> Wouldn't it have been good for you to read his post BEFORE commenting? Does he explicitly mention the product name that his post referrences? By simply questioning a $500 price tag, I just assumed he was talking about the Pico product.
>
Maybe YOU should re-read his post... especially the "stampsized thing" part. The pico access point is not stamp-sized, but rather large at 8 x 6 x 1.5 inches. I read everything accurately, hence my comment.

RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:41:08 AM #
Maybe they should market the BT chip that way...Use it to cover up parts in ads.

RE: $500?
aardvarko @ 3/12/2002 4:32:25 PM #
Maybe Ed should disable anonymous posting.

-aardvarko
webmaster at aardvarko dot com
http://aardvarko.com
RE: $500?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/20/2002 11:35:28 AM #
Regardless of the the discrepency of card versus Pico, I have to agree with him. Sure, $130 for
the card, but $500 for the use of it at home??? That's pretty steep considering the only other app
is the Phone(yes, I know there is the conference app, but that is more corporate and most of us
are speaking on an individual basis here).

I know that some airports allow people to connect their laptops to the internet via WiFi. Anyone
know if this is a possiblity with the bluetooth in the future?

can't wait

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 8:45:11 AM #
I am really looking forward to it being available in the US so I can connect to nothing whatsoever.

Sort of reminds me of that Dilbert cartoon where he buys a video phone and sits and stares at the static while he waits for someone else to buy one and call him.

RE: can't wait
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 8:53:17 AM #
You said it. Bluetooth is a wonderful thing, but until there's something to connect to, I just won't be getting it. I understand that SOMEONE has to be first, and it's great that Palm/Toshiba are right in the front row. But there are precious few BT phones available, and I have yet to see any other useful BT devices.

I wish there was a SD-card-sized 802.11b card available instead. THAT I could use today.

RE: can't wait
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:12:06 AM #
its still expensive if you ask me even if other device will be available. to have a pair of connected device we will be spending 2x. but yeah someone has to be first. when demand increases prices usually drops down.... i hope.

I can't help it . . .

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:03:30 AM #
Just looking at the Palm pictured with this story after reading about the Sony clamshell just makes me chuckle. I have used Palm forever it seems, but there is no denying that their current lineup seems destined for the dustbin. Sony has really upped the ante with these new designs. Palm will have to look at lowering prices by $200 per model to compare with what we will be seeing from other companies.

RE: I can't help it . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:01:12 AM #
Those handhelds Sony just introduced don't have built-in Bluetooth. It also just introduced a Bluetooth MemStick, though it won't be available here for at least a month. In short, it is pursuing the exact same strategy Palm is, though Palm is a bit ahead.

You all have to give up the Cult of Sony. Sony will not fix all your problems.

RE: I can't help it . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:14:10 AM #
In a way sony will. Im really impressed with the new sonys but im still waiting for palm to advance and compete. palm is using too much marketing tactics esp on the m130. m515 was able to equip with 16mb but they still made m130 8mb, palm has the technology but theyre limiting it..sony might just force then to be as extravagant.

palm should have 320x320, 16mbram, extended IR, good speakers and still maintain the Vx/m505 form factor. yeah yeah its called T615 but if they maintain the formfactor a lot of m505/m500 users will switch (including me) but as we all know palm..they will probably wait til the whole inventory of m515 runs out.

graph

RE: I can't help it . . .
Ed @ 3/12/2002 10:58:46 AM #
This isn't going to turn into yet another Palm vs. Sony arguement. If your comments don't mention Bluetooth or wireless networking, I'm going to treat them as off topic and remove them. Sorry but this exact same discussion has been held a dozen times over the past few weeks. If you want to talk about something besides Bluetooth, go over to the Forums and do it there.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/forum/


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News Editor

RE: I can't help it . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 1:07:38 PM #
Sorry Ed, but i think that should read:
"If you want to talk about something besides Bluetooth, *please* go over to the Forums and do it there."
:-)


It all gets down to who's got it first....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 1:13:08 PM #
And the front runners are sony and Palm. I'd be happy to hear any bluetooth news from Handera or Handspring if they are available.

Truth is, Ed, that from now on innovations will primarily come from these two companies and within a period of two years, I would predict that the only innovations we'll be talking will come from one of the two companies. Next thing you know it would be SonyEricsson vs. Palm/Nokia (Remember the connection kit?) Be it bluetooth, Wi-Fi, SD/MS, 3G.....if it is Palm OS, you simply won't be able to take those companies out of your discussions.

RE: I can't help it . . .
Ed @ 3/12/2002 1:56:00 PM #
If you want to talk about the differences in Palm's vs. Sony's Bluetooth or wireless networking strategies, I'm perfectly fine with that. But this thread was showing signs of degenerating into "The m515 sucks" and "The T615C has bad buttons", none of which had anything to do with Bluetooth and all of which has been covered ad finitum recently.

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News Editor
OK, now could anyone tell me.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 2:48:22 PM #
what is the difference between a M500 with a bluetooth SD in it and a CLIE with a bluetooth MS in it?

You could express your views as a user or a technical person, as long as it is reflected in the user experience over a period of time. (Durability, range, etc). I want to be an informed buyer so please feel free to express.

RE: OK, now could anyone tell me....
ihxo @ 3/12/2002 2:59:41 PM #
unfortunately no one could answer that question :) Not alot of people have seen a Bluetooth MS in person yet, and not alot of people have a Bluetooth SD yet. But I really don't see how the two could be different in the user experience standpoint. It's like asking the difference of the ease of use of PCMCIA ethernet card and PCI based ethernet card.

RE: I can't help it . . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 5:07:28 AM #
From user interface's perspective, Sony's Bluetooth MS and Palm's SDIO card are identical. Only the hardware device layer (SDIO vs. MSIO) of Bluetooth stack (HC4) is different. With Sony's MSIO HC4 layer loaded, Palm's BT stacks can drive Sony's BT MS.

File exchange is similar to IR Beam. Instead of Beam function from the menu bar, you will get a Send function on the menu bar.

Both card have same wireless range, 30 feet in-door, room to room. 50-60 ft in open area.

Speed benchmark of SDIO is far less than 700KB. Avg. is about 320KB. This is about the same benchmark for almost every BT PCMCIA cards available on the market, so does iPAQ 3870.

Battery drainage is acceptable. In my case, I charge m505 every other week without BT. With BT always in the SD slot, I need to charge it every week.


Security?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 1:01:16 PM #
Any security concerns on these bluetooth devices? Would someone be able to tap on my transmission to the Internet via mobile phone? Which one has a better security protection (hard and soft.)? Please? Anyone?

RE: Security
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 3:04:03 PM #
There is an explicit PAIRing process that needs to be done between your phone and the Palm before the Palm can use the phone as a modem. So, unless you have let an intruder PAIR with your phone - they can't use your phone without your knowledge (and burn your minutes).

As far as eavesdropping, I think with the phones, encryption is set to on by default, so unless they crack bluetooth encryption, they can't eavesdrop. And supposedly, the strength of the encryption depends on your PIN length that you select during the PAIRing process.

Thanks a lot for the info
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/14/2002 2:57:09 AM #
Very grateful for answering my bluetooth questions.

What is faster?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:05:55 AM #
Bluetooth or 802.11? I saw someone posted BT as 40kbps, and 802.11 as 30kpbs. I know 802.11 has a much farther reach but which has a faster data speed?

RE: What is faster?
jontz @ 3/12/2002 9:12:54 AM #
802.11 is much faster with speeds up to 11 Mbps. Bluetooth's maximum speed is only about 1 Mbps. Granted, all of this depends on range, but 802.11 has a much larger range as well...300 feet instead of 30 (on average). The main advantage to bluetooth is that it doesn't require much power, where 802.11 is very power hungry. I would wager that if you had a 802.11 card in a palm m505 you would only get about 2 hours of battery life. Hope this helps

"what do i want to do with it"?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:23:55 AM #
802.11 is much faster. But this is comparing apples with peers. Better questions would be "what do i want to do with it" and "where do i have to use it for?"

WLANs typically cover distances from ten to a few hundred meters. This smaller coverage distance allows lower power transmissions that often permit the use of unlicensed frequency bands. Because LANs often are used for relatively high-capacity data communications, they often have fairly high data rates. IEEE 802.11, for example, has a nominal range of 100 meters and data rates up to 11 Mbps. This combination of coverage and data rate leads to moderate-to-high power consumption; thus, the types of devices normally used with WLANs are ones that have a robust computing platform and power supply; notebook computers, in particular.

WPANs cover distances on the order of 10 meters and typically are used to connect various personal portable devices without using cables. This peer-to-peer device communication doesn't usually require exceedingly fast data rates. Bluetooth wireless technology, for example, has a nominal range of 10 meters with raw data rates up to 1 Mbps. The short range and relatively low data rates result in low power consumption, making WPAN technologies suitable for use with small, mobile, battery-powered devices such as PDAs, mobile phones, pagers, digital cameras, and so on. In addition, low-power transmission allows for the use of unlicensed frequency bands. Bluetooth technology operates in the unlicensed 2.4 GHz spectrum.

from The phony conflict: IEEE 802.11 and Bluetooth wireless technology by Brent Miller
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/wireless/library/wi-phone/

Little Bluetooth Review:

-No battery-sapping: Low power
-Robust wireless connection method with a small footprint that makes it very well suited for millions of handheld devices
(A Bluetooth chip, designed to communicate in the 10m range, consumes only 1mW of power, compared to an 802.11b chip, which consumes more than 1W. A single Bluetooth chipset is also fairly small, with a size of 8x8mm, compared to the smallest 802.11b at 30x14mm.)
-Chips will be cheap (volume)
-Bluetooth does not need a base radio station because every device can create a local network.
-Another advantage of Bluetooth as a cable replacement technology are the applications (*e.g http://www.bluetags.com ). Retail kiosks, pay phones, and other public access points will support proximity services.
-Bluetooth also holds an advantage concerning voice communication. Here, Bluetooth can be used in a cordless phone within a 10m range, in an office environment or home, without the need for handoffs. Other WLAN technologies need voice-over-IP to support voice communication

Bluetooth can perform a number of automatic functions:

• A PC and Palm can be set up so that when they are in proximity, an auto-sync takes place. So instead of putting the Palm in the cradle and hitting the HotSync button, just walk within a few feet of the PC and the two will automatically synchronize.
• One Bluetooth-enabled phone can do three tasks. At home, the phone functions as a portable phone, using a landline. When the user is on the move, it functions as a mobile phone, and when the phone comes within range of another Bluetooth mobile phone, it functions as a walkie-talkie.
• A user can compose e-mail on a Bluetooth-enabled laptop while flying on an airplane and queue up the e-mails to be sent. In her briefcase is a Bluetooth-enabled cell phone, switched off. After she lands, she switches on the cell phone, which connects to the Internet and transmits the mail while she waits for her luggage.
• A field rep has a sales meeting noted in her PalmPilot, and the meeting time changes. Someone calls the rep's cell phone, transmits the new data and the phone routes the new information to the PalmPilot, which beeps to let her know her schedule has changed.
• Products and accounts can be assigned a scanning code. With a swipe of a mobile phone, a sales rep can transmit on-hand inventory status and order information back to the main office.

Good luck.


RE: What is faster?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 12:36:27 PM #
Thanks for taking the time to explain the differences in terms of technology and application.

-kevin

RE: What is faster? There's no difference on the Palm
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 3:30:15 PM #
The Palm is the main bottle neck with data access. It doesn't have the cpu processing power to move data much faster than 56k. Therefore, Bluetooth is the better application for the palm considering this limitation. If the new ARM systems can take advantage of 802.11's higher bandwidth, then 802.11 would have the upper hand in speed.

RE: What is faster?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 3:43:02 PM #
thanks. Now if ATT&T in the NE could only give me a Nokia 8xxx with BT and 2.5-3G Nationwide coverage I'd be set.

RE: What is faster?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 4:28:29 PM #
> The Palm is the main bottle neck with data access.
> It doesn't have the cpu processing power to move data
> much faster than 56k.

Uh, NO! I move data way faster than that over wired and wireless Ethernet on my HandEra 330. Note how fast data transfer is to/from SD cards on the various Palms that have it, way faster than 56k. At 56k it would take 10 seconds to load even a small database or application. Yes the CPU on the Palm is a limitation, but 56k is absolutely wrong.

Who is it that keeps posting this 56k/serial speed crap in every thread on this site that is discussing Bluetooth? I've seen it about at least three times in different threads on this site. Stop it. You do not know what you are talking about.

RE: What is faster?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 5:48:59 PM #
If you want to get your e-mails. BT is ok since BT is just like your 14.4 modem in GPRS connection. But you can do that you can do this as well with mobile IR connection (9.6 modem) in GSM. Surfing the net or updating your Avantgo channels forget about it. I saw the performance BT in m505 with T39 in our local PUG last Friday - D~. It is not worth the money. Much Tech Talk. Probably, if you are connected in 3G (30 times faster in theory compare to 9.6 modem in mobile phones GSM). If you got 3G connection next year, BT is built-in in PDA already.

RE: What is faster?
Swiftshadow @ 3/12/2002 8:17:33 PM #
I have read a lot of people's comments here on how "slow" Bluetooth is given that it maxes out at "only" 1Mbit vs 11Mbit for WiFi. I don't know about most of you, but 1Mbit is plenty fast! 1Mbit is faster than my DSL connection (640 kbps)goes. And as someone else has commented, current Palms probably can't even handle a full 1Mbit connection anyway.

For what most people would like to use Bluetooth for with Palm OS machines (connecting to the Intra/Internet for light web browsing, email and some instant messaging) 1Mbit is probably overkill.

Swift

RE: What is faster?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 5:42:30 AM #
OK! While we discuss the speed of 802.11b vs Bluetooth, we need to face with what we want vs what we can get. Should you have a chance to have Xircom 802.11b for Visor, you will realize that it can only give you about 600KB throughput (not 1MB nor 11MB). Power drain for 802.11b always is an issue even for a notebook computer. 802.11b on a low profile device, it need to fall into BT's specification to make it usable.

RE: What is faster?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 12:40:30 PM #
QUESTION: WHAT IS FASTER?
ANSWER: IT DEPENDS ON YOUR HANDHELD -

I've only had experience on the m505 - so for the Handera guy and the Handspring guy up there - hold your fire.

My 802.11b Xircom sled on my m505 connected to a Cisco Aironet 350 AP gives me ~30kbps (tested in my office).

My BT SDIO card on the same m505 connected to a PicoBlue Bluetooth LAN Access Point gives me ~40kbps (tested at PalmSource).

Methinks this says MORE about the implementations rather than the respective technologies. BOTH should be MUCH faster.

As for what processor speeds will do to these numbers - I will have results in a few days on PocketPC 2002's (iPAQs) with 802.11b vs Bluetooth.



Bluetooth Cell Phone

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:18:47 AM #
Does anybody know of a bluetooth cell phone that's available now to use with this thing?

Thanks,
Matt Harlow

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:36:12 AM #
That's the biggest problem. Granted, it is not Palm's or Sony's fault that the cell network here in N. America is like that of a 3rd world county! Go to Nokia's site and take a look at all of the great new phones that has blue tooth, and data access, and then notice that all of them only work in Europe, Africa and Asia! I'm sure that Ericson, and Motorola have the same thing.

BT in a meeting to distribute one set of meeting notes to the entire table at once would be great. But I'm really looking forward to connecting to my cell phone and ditching my Vx/Minstrel combo.

Mike
miknny@yahoo.com


RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:55:12 AM #
Well... In Brazil (3rd world country :-( ) we do have a high speed cellular network already working in Sao paulo.

It works in CDMA 1xRTT and Ericsson already released a bluetooth enabled handset.

Akira
eduakira_listas@yahoo.com

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:58:07 AM #
Some phones here or coming soon with bluetooth:

Motorola 270c with bluetooth module, CDMA (Verizon)
Motorola 280i, coming this summer, GSM (Voicestream sells the 280, so I think they would carry the upgrade)
Ericsson T68i, coming this summer, GSM (ATT)

Anyone know of others?

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
big_raji @ 3/12/2002 10:32:18 AM #
I have the Motorola 280... I've never seen any mention of Bluetooth anywhere relating to it...? Only the 270!

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RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
Stefanos @ 3/12/2002 10:59:47 AM #
I assume you mean cellphones that work in the USA - there are many more phones that have bluetooth and work in Europe (GSM900, DCS1800) but don't work in the US (GSM1900).

Phones not mentioned so far are (these are available now): Ericsson T39m, Ericsson R520m (same as T39 but a lot bigger!), Ericsson T68 (identical to T68i, except it has the "old" Ericsson covers, not the new SonyEricsson ones).

I am pretty sure Nokia will make "copies" of their European phones for the US market.

Another phone that will be launched soon is the SonyEricsson P800 (a Symbian 7-based PDA/phone with built-in camera and JAVA).

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 11:06:53 AM #
If you visit Motorola's web site, you can find a page with their new phones coming out this year. They are listing an model '280i', which is an upgrade to the 280 and they indicate it will have bluetooth.

http://commerce.motorola.com/consumer/QWhtml/280i.html


RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 11:43:10 AM #
Ericcson T39, T68, T68i

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone - Fresh from Cebit
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 12:17:49 PM #
Java-capable Triband Nokia 6310i with integrated Bluetooth (GPRS)

Not sure if this has BT BUT it is nice... Sony/Ericsson T206 with built in GPS for US market

Sony/Ericsson P800 with built-in BT, digital camera, GPRS, Java based (?)

Sony/Ericsson T68i & Ericsson T68 as previously mentioned w/ BT

Nokia 8910 - GPRS and BT (plus more)

Philips Fiso 820 - GPRS and BT and color display
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Took the comments from a German page so don't slam me too hard if I was wrong here;)


Cebit news from Nokia
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 12:27:43 PM #
Cebit Nokia
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 12:48:31 PM #
and none of the new phones had BT

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
Snubolis @ 3/12/2002 1:20:20 PM #
In Canada, Rogers will be bringing in the Ericsson T39m for their new GSM network. A rep told me it will be out late spring 2002.

Snubolis
Vancouver, Canada
RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 2:55:17 PM #
Does anyone know if a provider in California/US that carries any of these Bluetooth enabled phones?


If my only option at this point is a phone with a Bluetooth accessory, how much is the accessory?

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 12:07:18 AM #
>>and none of the new phones had BT

What do you mean ? The 6310i and 8910 BOTH have BT built-in! The link to the Nokia web-site was only given to see the pictures.

Before you drool out BS, get your facts straight first!

The problem is with GSM service in the US.
cyberpmg @ 3/13/2002 9:39:41 AM #
The biggest problem is not about phones being produced with Bluetooth capabilities. The problem is that they are being built for the world market, and the dominant system used outside of the US is GSM. Right now, there are only small isolated pockets scattered across the country that offer GSM service.

Until the US decides to provide GSM service as it currently handles CDMA, what non GSM/GPRS phones will be made availabe in the US with Bluetooth and when will they be offered?

Until more Bluetooth devices become available on the market, I don't see sales for this going anywhere until we have more choices. Buying a Bluetooth card for my Palm without anything to connect with would be another $130 item that sits on the shelf collecting dust. This is probably different outside the US.

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Signature? Oh yeah, I had one here a minute ago...

Bluetooth (Phones) USA
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 10:59:09 AM #
Bluetooth Products
http://www.expansys.com/d_bluetooth.asp?curr=USD
http://www.blueunplugged.com/main.asp
Phones & Accessories:
http://www.blueunplugged.com/main.asp?option=productrange&catID=4
http://www.alltalking.com/

Bluetooth at Teleadaptusa
http://www.teleadaptusa.com/nme/bluetooth101.htm

GSM Cellular Handsets that work in USA and Canada
http://www.mphone.co.uk/usa.htm

Ericsson T68 at UStronics
http://www.ustronics.com/bimborsrchtt3.html

AT&T Wireless Expands Portfolio of GSM(TM)/GPRS Phones
Sony Ericsson T68 Premieres Color Screen; Nokia 8390 Debuts With Color Covers
REDMOND, Wash., March 5 /PRNewswire/ -- Adding to its portfolio of GSM/GPRS devices, AT&T Wireless (NYSE: AWE - news) today introduced two new wireless phones in select markets across the country.

The Sony Ericsson T68 wireless phone is the first GSM/GPRS phone in the United States to feature a color screen and Bluetooth(TM) wireless technology. The tri-band phone works on 900, 1800 and 1900 megahertz GSM networks and, in the near future, will allow customers to use their wireless phone domestically or when traveling abroad. Additional features include joystick navigation, calendar/organizer functions and voice control. The Sony Ericsson T68 is priced at $199.99.

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Bo Larsson, general manager of Sony Ericsson's North American operations, said that he expected ALL major carriers to begin offering new Sony Ericsson models this year. First out of the gate was AT&T Wireless, which on Monday said it would offer the T68 with Bluetooth local wireless capabilities.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020307/tc_nm/tech_sonyericss on_usa_dc_1
Sony Ericsson unveils six phones (one with camera, 3 of them have built-in Bluetooth), two new Bluetooth™ handsfree solutions and more
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?page=C2_1&B=ie
http://biz.yahoo.com/fo/020307/0307tentech_1.html

100 Million Have Access to Fast GSM
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 11:02:40 AM #
GSM is the dominant type of wireless network in Europe, Asia and other parts of the world, although it is just now starting to gain widespread coverage in North America. HSCSD is not considered to be a next-generation technology but rather is an interim stepping stone to faster network speeds provided by GPRS, EDGE and 3GSM.
http://allnetdevices.com/wireless/news/2002/03/13/100_million.html

RE: Bluetooth Cell Phone
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/20/2002 10:22:17 PM #
I believe the Motorola Timeport 270 is bluetooth enabled

Frys has them

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:20:07 AM #
Frys Electronics in Phoenix has them. Pretty cool but I have no iea what I would use it for since I have no other bluetooth devices.

Cost vs Functionality

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:23:35 AM #
So much for "Bluetooth will add $5 to the cost of a device." yadayadayada

So you shell out $130 for a serial/IR port.

Bang/Buck certainly is not there since there are already TWO ways on the Palm to do what this thing does. You get some minor convenience enhancements. But even that comes at the cost of taking up the SD slot. I think this is a weak direction for Palm devices.

Sony... please purchase Palm sooner rather than later. We all know it's inevitable. Let's get this industry moving.

RE: Cost vs Functionality
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 9:47:15 AM #
Ummm, Sony just introduced two new handhelds without built-in Bluetooth and a Bluetooth MemStick. In short, it is pursuing the exact same strategy Palm is.

You all have to give up the Cult of Sony. Sony will not fix all your problems.

Bluetooth is far, far closer to being mainstream than it ever has before... but it isn't here yet. It's a little too early to start building it into handhelds. But expansion cards are a good compromise. They let people who want to be in the cutting edge use Bluetooth without forcing the large majority who won't use it pay for it.

The Bluetooth SIG didn't promise every Bluetooth device would be $5 immediately. Its a goal they are working towards.

I don't think you all are as impressed by this gizmo as you should be. It's a card smaller than a stick of gum that you can use to connect to your PC completely without wires. Just a few years ago, you would have thought that was amazing. When did we become so blasé about cool new stuff? Maybe I have a longer perspective than most. I remember when wired networking was slower than Bluetooth. I'm impressed with cheap 32 MB memory cards because I remember paying $100 for a 20 MB external harddrive that was the size of the New York City phone book.

RE: Cost vs Functionality
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:12:28 AM #
"...When did we become so blasé about cool new stuff?"

I can connect to the internet using my laptop anywhere in my home, and reasonably far outside using 802.11b, and still have my superfast cable modem speed.

When a product comes out that will let me HotSync at a slower speed than a serial connection and at a limited range, I'm less than thrilled.

RE: Cost vs Functionality
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 12:37:58 PM #
> When a product comes out that will let me HotSync at a
> slower speed than a serial connection and at a limited
> range, I'm less than thrilled.

and you also have no idea what you are talking about. Bluetooth is far faster than a serial connection.

RE: Cost vs Functionality
mikeliu @ 3/13/2002 1:28:14 AM #
yes it's theoretically faster than a serial cable, but from the first hand testimony form people who have used it, apparently it's hotsync speeds are slower than USB and leave something to be desired......shame really. I was all ready to jump on the BT boat myself

It Sticks out..eeek

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 10:26:30 AM #
I would be worried about breaking that wafer thin thing off!

Works with Handera?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 3:19:03 PM #
Will this thing work with the Handera 330? It has a SD slot, but only OS 3.5.3. My understanding was BT was only really supported in OS 4.x?

RE: Works with Handera?
oseiampadu @ 3/12/2002 5:21:18 PM #
Hi,
in Germany the SDIO ist avaiable for about two weeks now. I alreade reviewed them on www.nexave.de (Use Babelfish for translation. It doesn't work on OS 3.5 Devices since the Driver needs OS 4.0 or later. Maybe HandEra will release it's own soon.


ozei@osei.de
RE: Works with Handera?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 10:23:10 AM #
Unfortunately, it will not. I have talked with HandEra via e-mail and they say that they are working on Bluetooth compatibility.
Scott

RE: Works with Handera?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 12:51:30 PM #
Why bother with the Handeras? Is the virtual graf. area really that useful? It just seems that even through rose colored glasses these things are fugly.

So I am hearing that BT on a Palm is...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/12/2002 6:34:59 PM #
1. Unstable
2. Slow

Hmmmmmmmmn. I guess it's not all it's carcked up to be. I guess we should all just wait for the 3G Super Clie from SonyEricsson in Q1 2004?

RE: So I am hearing that BT on a Palm is...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/13/2002 9:09:24 AM #
That's a good description of Bluetooth in general. It is definitely a new technology. If you like tinkering with new technology, Bluetooth might be for you. But I don't think it is quite ready for the mass market yet. Someday, though.

Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/25/2002 5:22:35 AM #
I cannot get my Nokia 6310 to work with the Palm Bluetooth SD card. The card is only shipped with the driver for Nokia 6210. This phone only has the bluetooth option with a special battery (which maybe 2 people in the whole world bought)). The generic driver does not seem to work either. Any ideas?

RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/12/2002 5:11:14 AM #
Hi there, I found this method on another site that worked for me.. I am able to manage sms through the palm now using bluetooth.. works well!

On Palm M505
Remove the SDIO Bluetooth Card from Toshiba

On Nokia 6310
Bluetooth = off
Search for audio accessries = don't
View active device = there must be none!
View paired devices = there must be none
Bluetooth settings - My phone visibility = Shown to all
Bluetooth settings - name of phone = e.g. Nokia
Switch phone off
Switch phone on
Phone in standby mode!

On Palm M505
Place the SDIO Bluetooth Card from Toshiba into Palm
Install BT drivers
Go to preferences - Bluetooth
Bluetooth = on
Device name = palm
Allow Device to be discovered = yes
Goto preferences - Connection
New
Name = e.g. BT to Nokia Phone
Connect to = Phone
Via = Bluetooth
Model = Standard GSM
Device = tap to find
When found select 'Nokia'
Do you want to add Nokia to your trusted device list = no
OK
Goto preferences - Phone
Connection = BT to Nokia Phone
Test

You have to be fast to enter the passkeys otherwise you have to start the procudure again!

On Nokia 6310
When Phone reacts accept the connection!
Enter the passkey = e.g. 030303
Select

On Palm M505
When Palm reacts enter the passkey = 030303
Add connection to the trusted devices list
OK
Goto preferences - Bluetooth
Check if the phone is a trusted device
Goto preferences - Connection
Device = tap Nokia
Check if the phone is a trusted device marked with a key icon

On Nokia 6310
Check the menu of Bluetooth
Check all settings you need


RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/14/2002 8:13:14 PM #
I just bought too.Any help would be much appreciated.

ohmygoditsdead@27sherwood.freeserve.co.uk

6310 & Palm BT
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/15/2002 12:33:19 AM #
hey thanks for that.
I can now get a paired connection in all the prefs, but still can't dial out using BT. Do you have alternative init strings I could try?
RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 1:42:11 AM #
I had these same problems with my 6310i and M130+BT card.
After trying the regular way of making things work, without any success, I took the dark side path and patched the Nokia6210.prc driver so now, internally, where it said 6210, it says 6310.
Beware that the first occurrence of 6210 must be left as is, as it is the prc name. My 6310-M130 pairing now works fine for SMS and phone dialing. Have not tested internet navigation.
If you don't feel like patching the driver yourself, eMail me (exondepot@hotmail.com) and I can send you a copy of the patched driver. No warranties, but I have it working quite well...no resets and no abnormal behaviors.
RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/28/2002 8:15:19 AM #
I have the same issue. The problem I have is where do I get the Pairing code/passkey for my 6310? I can't find it anywhere?
RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
woakesd @ 8/24/2002 5:46:41 AM #
Has anyone worked out a way to connect to a 6310 that works "direct" like the "IR to PC/Handheld" option for connections. Specifically I can connect to GPRS using a script without specifying a number to dial and want to do this for bluetooth, but all the options for specifying a connection to the Nokia require it to be identified as a Phone or Modem and the phone string is then prompted for. The script does not run presumably because no connection is established.

Setting the palm to dial "*99#" or "*99***1#" doesn't work. I'm not quite clear on why though, my Palm Vx was able to connect to GPRS via IR with the latter dialstring, but the M515 wont.

RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
woakesd @ 8/26/2002 2:30:13 AM #
I tried out connecting to GPRS using the BlueTooth SD card with an Ericsson T68 and it worked perfectly using the dial string '*99***1#'. There is therefore a problem in the interaction of the Nokia and Palm, because this dial string works for my laptop with the Nokia.

RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/5/2002 4:12:21 AM #
Drivers for a wide variety of phones - including the Nokia 6310 - are now available on the palm site at http://www.palm.com/be/ie/mobile/drivers.html
I have loaded and can get now establish a bluetooth connection between 6310 and M515 no problem, but still unable to connect to internet over GPRS. I am using the same settings that were previously successful in a 6310 + iPaq + bluetooth connection.
RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/11/2002 10:25:50 AM #
I have tried this approach with O2's service, and CSD works fine. But no go on GPRS.

Has _anyone_ had any success?

Ant

RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 9:55:25 PM #
Have the firmware in your 6310 upgraded to 4.31 or higher, it will fix everything.
RE: Nokia 6310 - Palm Bluetooth SD
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/1/2002 10:02:52 AM #
Ahhh, No.

I have sorted this out using a v4.2 6310, and it works brilliantly.

Just took some lateral thinking.

AK

Palm Bluetooth and Motorola 270c

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/26/2002 3:45:41 PM #
Does anyone have the driver to go fromthe palm to teh Motoroa 270c phone?

I can't find it and it isn't in the software.

please e-mail me at herrick@hglightingdesign.com

WHERE TO BUY T68i

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2002 3:40:12 PM #
where can i get a good wholesale price on new t68i phone please somone reply to this message as soon as you can

please help connect bluetooth to t68

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/4/2002 5:00:08 AM #
i can;t connect the bluetooth to t68. always asking for passkey.
RE: please help connect bluetooth to t68
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/16/2002 3:11:47 PM #
Just type in a number. Your phone will then ask you to enter the same number.

Palm Bluetooth Card and T60c

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/23/2002 12:48:55 PM #
I've acquired a T60c + DBA-10 and Palm Bluetooth Card. I've installed the bluetooth card as the Handbook for the Palm Bluetooth Card recomends for non GSM cell phones (http://www.rrc.hu/pdf-ek/BluetoothCardHandbook.pdf). But it doesn't work. Does anyone have a suggestion?

TIA

RE: Palm Bluetooth Card and T60c
Cappel @ 9/3/2002 11:59:35 PM #
I have tried everything I can as well. I have a call in to Palm to see if they can locate a driver. I have tried tricking it into thinking it is talking to a T68i and other models, but it doesn't work. It pairs ok, so I know that Bluetooth itself is working. When I get a driver, I will post where it can be downloaded from.

RE: Palm Bluetooth Card and T60c
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/10/2002 2:24:18 PM #
I have tried everything too, also I've tried to contact Brazilian's Palm support and Brazilian's SonyEricsson support, but they don't have any T60c's driver.

I'm really looking forward for the T60c's driver.

TIA

RE: Palm Bluetooth Card and T60c
mic @ 12/29/2003 2:41:37 PM #
Hi guys!
I'm still searcing bluetooth driver for T60c+DBA-10.
Have any of you find the driver?

Bluetooth to 6310 and GPRS

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 9:28:02 PM #
Had all the problems that were listed regarding secutity numbers and connecting to thru the dial string *99***#. I have everything working now by having the firmware upgraded in the 6310
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