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Recently, Sony replaced the S320 with the S360. The primary change is the increase in memory from 8 MB to 16 MB. This makes it the only low-end Palm OS model with that much RAM, twice as much as its competition. News Editor Ed Hardy has this review.
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You can't forget...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 2:00:12 PM #
I think you forgot to mention some of the differences between the S360 and the older S320. The S360 has Docs to Go, and it also comes with the hot-sync cradle, unlike the S320. Maybe the review could be updated...

RE: You can't forget...
Ed @ 3/15/2002 2:04:51 PM #
You make a good point about Documents To Go Standard Edition and I've added it to the review.

Sadly, the S360 does not come with a cradle. I'm holding the box here in my lap and I assure you there is no cradle in it.

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RE: No Value there...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 2:10:15 PM #
S360 does have DocsToGo, but that don't mean much. Anyone can buy a copy off eBay for $3-5. There's pleny of folks willing to sell their registration code for that price.

RE: You can't forget...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 2:13:00 PM #
It would matter to those of us who don't care to steal from companies that put money and resources into developing software. Would you go into a store and shoplift? Using someone else's registration code is no different and to act as if there is nothing wrong with it is very sad, IMO.

RE: You can't forget...
big_raji @ 3/15/2002 2:44:57 PM #
I don't think there's anything wrong with selling your registration on eBay.

From what I remember, the registration is a two-step process, you submit your serial to Dataviz, and they issue a "response code" to unlock your handheld and Windows desktop. If the serial's been used before, you won't get a response code.

I could be talkin outta my ass though, I don't use docs to go anymore, but that's how I remember it.

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RE: You can't forget...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 3:05:49 PM #
Lack of cradle is NOT a con. YMMV.

RE: You can't forget...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 5:27:30 PM #
Oops, sorry about that cradle comment I made. I checked back at Sonystyle, and see that it comes with the "USB HotSync® cradle cable." I guess they like to keep the "cradle" part in their description to confuse the not-so-careful easy-to-pull-a-fast-one-on people like me :)

About the other comments, I agree with those who condone selling registration codes for Docs To Go... If you buy the rights to the code, you should be able to sell them too. I didn't think there was even a problem with this until reading the above post. Is there a lawyer in the house?

RE: You can't forget...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 8:17:23 PM #
Um... the S360 is RECHARGABLE. It HAS to come with a cradle.

RE: You can't forget...
Ed @ 3/15/2002 9:21:26 PM #
> Um... the S360 is RECHARGABLE. It HAS to come with a cradle.

Read the part of the review under the heading "Cables". In fact, you should probably read the entire review because I don't think you did before you posted this comment.

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RE: You can't forget...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 11:27:26 PM #
This person has never owned a Sony PDA other than the T-series (if at all). The Sony's AC Adapter CAN plug into the back of the cradle, or directly into the Sony.

RE: You can't forget...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/18/2002 11:49:55 AM #
<< Um... the S360 is RECHARGABLE. It HAS to come with a cradle. >>

More proof in the world that ignorance is NOT "bliss." However, it does appear that it IS rampant.

Question

PalmPowered @ 3/15/2002 2:54:51 PM #
Can somebody tell me why the Sony and Handspring models with 33 mhz dragonball chips always seem to benchmark faster than the Palm branded handhelds with the same chip? I must have missed this lesson when it floated by the last time. Also, Ed are you going to do a hands on review of the new m130 and m515? I know you did a comparison in the store but I wandered what your thoughts were on the new m130 and it's display.

-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-
RE: Question
TDS @ 3/15/2002 8:52:42 PM #
I really think that the RAM chips are either faster, or don't have the wait states of some of the other units. The Visor Deluxe had a 16 Mhz CPU it it was faster than any palm with the same CPU.
Unfortunatley, it looks like the Visor Pro and Neo do not have this feature, as they are as slow as the Palms at 33 Mhz...


RE: Question
Altema @ 3/15/2002 9:20:09 PM #
I think TDS is probably right, but I have suspicions about Benchmark 2.0 on the Palm branded devices under OS 4 and above. I ran tests which showed my old overclocked IIIe getting a higher score than the 505, but testing with actual software had the 505 completing tasks first. Had me scratching my head too...

RE: Question
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 5:42:20 PM #
Yes, you have to take benchmarking stats with a grain of salt.

I run Quitbits and it certainly makes OS3.5.3 a lot snappier. But Benchmark 2.0 shows no speed difference at all.

Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 3:23:36 PM #
I was looking at this device b/c of the 16mb storage compared to 8mb devices in the price range. I found that everyone was clearing out the Handspring Edge for $30 less, only $175US. That's less than Handspring's website. I never considered it, but had to replace my stolen Visor Platinum. I wanted something lightweight and a great screen. This is one cool device. Very light and better looking than the SONY. In this price range there's not too much new but plenty of used. The m130 color screen was awful too in real life, indoors anyway. So don't foget the Edge!

Clearance on m505
big_raji @ 3/15/2002 4:06:54 PM #
Not sure how newsworthy this is, but Future Shop in Canada is clearing out m505's for $499.99CDN (about $300US)

http://www.futureshop.ca, it's on the front page today. Otherwise, just click on computers, then handhelds

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RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 4:55:51 PM #
Visor Edge doesn't have 16mb memory and its springboard mem plug is too large and expensive , I think that's why they are on sale.

RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 6:04:00 PM #
True, I don't use the Springboard attachment, so that is why I chose it. 16mb is great but I still fill only 3/4 of the unit's 8mb storage. I think it's still a nice device compared to this SONY. Plus I use a mac too which the SONY has issues in working 100% without proper third-party software.

Still I think we are all passed this generation of devices and palmos5 will help create new devices that are worthy of our time. Almost here anyway!

RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
cyruski @ 3/16/2002 4:10:36 PM #
> The m130 color screen was awful too in real life, indoors anyway.

i don't think you made a bad choice buying an edge. but why do you need to justify your choice by running down the m130?

cyruski!

RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 10:11:31 PM #
Just use your damn crappy cheap atari-slot-handspring..
You don't have to keep bashing better pdas to justify your Edge, probably if you wait 6 more months you can buy it for $50 (clearance).

RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/17/2002 12:34:17 AM #
I'm not putting any m130 device down, it was just my opinion of the screen when I was shopping for a replacement. The SONY wasn't very impressive even with 16mb. It's the same device that it replaces. Just my 2 cents.

RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/17/2002 8:00:51 PM #
You can say the same for HandSpring's Visor Pro/Neo series as well...

As for Edge... Well, I'll toss it out in a heart beat for a T415... Which is what I'm getting... First of all, I seem to have a great tolerance for what other people consider as bad screen... I've been using Sony S300 for a while with that WriteRight (or whatever that's called) mono screen protector installed, and I still don't need to turn on the backlight most of the time (while in the review, the backlight was said to have been turned on almost everywhere)... The only down side for me with that T415 is the slower LCD reaction time, but I guess that what I'll have to live with when I want a high resolution PDA at a lower cost...

IMHO Visor Edge indeed have been named properly, if I remember correctly, there's a bit of sharp edge on the unit I've seen in stores. The Edge never seem to sell in great quantity, not even close to Palm's amazing sale of V/Vx series... Maybe they should have hired a good industiral design firm to design the unit for them...

RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
JET8810 @ 3/19/2002 7:28:12 PM #
What is going on with all this arguing? I have nearly stopped coming to PalmInfoCenter altogether because it has become a troll hangout. 9/10 posts are pointless arguments. To each his own. If somebody wants a Clie instead of a Visor, then let it be. There is no point in arguing as neihter unit is "better" they are just different. Stop the arguing of Palm Os devices vs. Palm os devices AND Palm os devices vs. Pocket Pcs. All I want is a peaceful environment so i wont be forced to leave this site once and for all.

What About 415T

dstrauss @ 3/15/2002 3:45:38 PM #
Other than a slight price break, what does the 360 offer over the 415T? Although not a great screen, the 415T is 320x320; 16mb ram; ultra-slim (smallest PDA out there); high power IR (video controller).

RE: What About 415T
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 4:02:31 PM #
"... although not a great screen ..."

Dstrauss, you are such a diplomat. I tried the T415, but got rid of it after 2 days. Take it from me, 320x320 does NOT make up for that screen.

RE: What About T415
Ed @ 3/15/2002 4:18:12 PM #
While you make some good points, you are off in one area. The T415 has 8 MB of RAM, not 16.

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RE: What About 415T
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 4:35:21 PM #
"Dstrauss, you are such a diplomat. I tried the T415, but got rid of it after 2 days. Take it from me, 320x320 does NOT make up for that screen."

If you have really tried T415 would you not notice that the Original poster said it had 16MB Ram ?? You didn't spot for the pretty obvious 16MB Ram error but you could see the "not a great screen" so called error

T415 sucks
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 5:47:40 PM #
Hmmm.. I also bought the T415 and retuurned it the next day, the screen sucks. The S360 is a better PDA.
So i decided to get the T615, and wow!, it's probably the best PDA I've had.


RE: What About 415T
Altema @ 3/15/2002 8:57:25 PM #
Although Sony lists the T415 as having "Enhanced" IR, that statement is only relative to other Sony products. There are many other Palm OS devices with more powerful IR than the T415.

RE: What About 415T
Altema @ 3/15/2002 9:02:32 PM #
"So i decided to get the T615, and wow!, it's probably the best PDA I've had."

You should read the T615 review by Julie the Gadgeteer. She loves it too, and is considering dumping the iPaq for the T615 as her favorite handheld.

RE: What About 415T
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 9:17:37 PM #
I got my 360 as a "reading machine," and though the screen is a bit dark, it's still very nice to read. I simply could not read the 415 in anything but bright light or dark. Also, the 415's screen paints very s l o w l y while the 360 is quite snappy.

Also I've decided NOT to use a screen protector in order to preseve the screen's clarity -- I've not yet noticed any scratches. For less than $200, I'll take the change that my screen prematurely degrades (if it does, I also have an extended warranty).

I've got a 65mb MS and already filled it up (a 128mb is on the agenda for next payday).

A new EB slipper case is on its way too!

This is a really NICE PDA, especially for the money.

Take Care All,

-Brette

RE: What About 415T
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/21/2002 9:24:19 AM #
I think Julie has already dumped the iPAQ :). Her main PDA is the T615 and the Toshiba e570.

Strange

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 3:58:31 PM #
Notice how there have not been any posts along the lines of "this unit sux because it doesn't have hi-res", blah, blah, blah. Seems like that criticism is reserved for Palm and Handspring models only.



RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 4:04:37 PM #
he he
You make a point there. Well, most of teh peoples were mainly complaining about the lack of hi-res on ANY Palm product, wether it's high-end or low-end.

RE: Strange
big_raji @ 3/15/2002 4:05:03 PM #
I think that Palm and Handspring are criticized because they don't have ANY units with hi-res.

The price on the S360 is equal to

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RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 5:03:18 PM #
When you have to pay $400 for a hanheld , you will want more. The target market is different, will you ask for 16mb memory and expansion storage for the Palm M100 ?

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he he You make a point there. Well, most of teh peoples were mainly complaining about the lack of hi-res on ANY Palm product, wether it's high-end or low-end.
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Because Palm always costs you more and give you less.

RE: Strange
Altema @ 3/15/2002 8:49:08 PM #
"I think that Palm and Handspring are criticized because they don't have ANY units with hi-res."

Right you are, but the minute they do, they will be criticized for not innovating ;)

Seems odd though, that this RAM upgrade will still be deemed as innovative...

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 10:28:11 PM #
Beacuse Sony gives you more to choose from. From Lo-Res to Hi-Res; from simple (S360) to wow (NR-series). Whereas Palm keeps you at where they can only cope with. Handspring is innovative - even from Day One with their Sprinboard concept.

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 12:30:15 AM #
Of course Palm will be blamed for not innovating. It would only take them ONE YEAR. Jeeze!

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 5:50:03 PM #
Guys, lets be serious for a minute.

Sony's apologists have told us a thousand times that 320x320, MP3, etc are absolute must haves, that life isn't worth living without them, that Palm ought to be liquidated because they produce basic models, that Carl ought to be shot ...

Yet the can-do-no-wrong Sony comes up with yet another basic model which does not have any of the doo-dads of the more expensive models. Why? Because this is what get more sales.

The point here is that Sony is contradicting its own guerilla marketers. Not even Sony believes what they have been trying to force down our throats about all those silly "features".

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 7:27:12 PM #
"silly "features"."

The silly feature you talking about will be standard in OS 5 I really don't know what you are trying to say, except trying to show people your Debating skills and want to start yet another flame war here.

Fot Sony it's about choice, They got the Ultra Fancy high end and the Ultra not facy low end, it's up to you to chooce no one is trying force anything down your throat.

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 7:28:34 PM #
>Guys, lets be serious for a minute.

You are right, and this has got me thinking about the double standards.

Palm comes out with a bright clear screen, and gets bashed because it's 160x160.

Sony comes out with a darker than average 160x160 screen and gets defended. For other Sony models, the toothpick stylus, mediocre video playback, spongy screen, and awful buttons also get defended.

Wazzup?

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 7:49:16 PM #
LoL guys we really need to stop this madness, we are talking to a brick wall here.

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 10:01:42 PM #
The Sony S360 is an excellent handheld, IMHO as good as or better than the m500 (which I had to return becouse it didnt synchronize)..

RE: Strange
Vexel9 @ 3/17/2002 2:02:15 PM #
>>Guys, lets be serious for a minute.

>You are right, and this has got me thinking about the double standards.

>Palm comes out with a bright clear screen, and gets bashed because it's 160x160.

>Sony comes out with a darker than average 160x160 screen and gets defended. For other Sony models, the toothpick stylus, mediocre video playback, spongy screen, and awful buttons also get defended.

>Wazzup?

I dont know about the rest but Palm's bright 160X160 screen gets bashed because it happens to be its flagship unit. The m515 should have been what Palm put out the first time instead of the m505. At $400 you expect more.

As for Sony's "darker then average 160X160 screen" it happens to be its entry level unit. It also happens to be $150. At that price, you wont find anything better. Thats why it gets defended.

However I do agree that the stylus is too thin, but i have always thought styli are too thin no matter what unit they belong to. Many PDA aficionados dont even use the stock stylus anymore, prefering a duo pen. Those feel more natural and improves graffiti recognition tremendously.

The spongy scree, some say that it actually improves recognition.

Video playback with the gMovie player is pretty lousy but with other video players its noticably better. But not many people view clips.

The buttons are lousy, if you use your PDA to play PacMan or Zap. But not many people do. Besides, PDA's werent made for extensive game play. That is not what i bought a PDA and i am perfectly happy with GBA for that purpose.

Lastly i love the m500 series and i am thinking about getting the m515.

RE: Strange
PIC mobile user @ 3/17/2002 7:47:41 PM #
Vexel, you are right, the 515 is what the 505 should have been. One good thing, apparently either the battery or light technology improved in the interm, so now we have a screen many times brighter with better battery life than the 505 or even the monochrome Palm Vx. Also agree that the unit in this review is fantastic for the price. I would not even consider the m100 series now. The T415 is another story. I have used them before, but today I spent a solid hour+ with one. It has no advantages over the S360. If you are considering the the M515, it won't let you down, but it would be worth your while to check out the T615 so you can pick your preference. The two devices balance each other out nicely. The T615 has better resolution, the jog wheel is great, and the styling is real slick. The 515 is easier to read for some, has richer colors (better than the 505 or 615), and much better battery life. It's a toss up, so go with what floats your boat.
RE: Strange
Vexel9 @ 3/17/2002 9:20:23 PM #
Hello Pic

>The T415 is another story. I have used them before, but today I spent a solid hour+ with one. It has no advantages over the S360.

I dont understand what you are saying? Do you mean the t415 is not worth the difference in price? You are right. Again it comes down to preference.

I have considered the T615 over the m515. As a matter of fact if i wasnt so particular about MP3 playback i probably would have sold my N760 and bought a T615. In terms of screen, IMHO it is far better then the m515 but if you consider battery consumption there is NO COLOR PDA better then Palm PDA's. Even with SONY's famous STAMINA lithium batteries, the T615 devours it. I would estimate against the m505 the T615 only gets about about 3 quarters or even half the time on a full charge. If you get a chance to pick up a copy of Palm's philosophy you will see that battery consumption is a higher priority then visual output. In that regard i can see why the m505 was not as "vibrant" as the n700 and n600 clie's. Sort of why Nintendo went with no backlight on their GBA. Visually it is dark even in a well lit room but you can get about 15 hours of continuous play on two double AA's. THATS 15 HOURS!! I agree that it might be all pointless if you dont see the screen but at least with the screen there are light alternatives. The logic with mobile electonics that it should not be dependent on being plugged into the wall or constant charging or battery replacement. In that regard i guess that is why the m505 and the GBA are still selling despite its lack of a bright screen.

Which brings me to the m515 and T615 debate. Although initially it may seem that the T615 is better, with all things considered its virtually even. I've just been quite disappointed with Palm Hardware as of late. They havent really put out anything new in over a year! In that same year Sony put out the S360, N760, T415, T615 and now the NR70 series. With OS5 coming, it may not make any sense to introduce a new series so they may be holding out. Unfortunately they may be losing consumer confidence and loyalty in the process. it looks like Palm finally got it right with the m515, however it might be a tad bit late.

RE: RE: Strange
gaardii @ 3/18/2002 8:50:59 AM #
Hi Strange,

Do you know for sure that the M515's battery lasts longer than the one in the T615? I know Ed's review showed the the M505's battery outlasted the T615, but it was hardly the most scientific of experiments. I'd also like to know what the battery life of the M515 is under normal usage. My T625 is great, and battery life is great. I've been playing SimCity a lot since I bought it so I can't actually say what the battery life is under 'normal' usage! Technically, Sony is ahead of Palm although if the M515 does have a significantly longer lasting battery, then that would have to be its main selling point. Can anyone confirm? Ed, can we have a review of the M515? Big ta,

Gordon from Edinburgh

RE: Strange
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/18/2002 9:06:41 AM #
No one did any test on battery life of M515 yet.

RE: RE: Strange
Altema @ 3/18/2002 4:10:29 PM #
I posted the response, guess AvantGo gives you a generic "PIC mobile user" name and makes it a new thread when you post wirelessly. By my comments regarding the T415 and the S360, you are right about me concluding it was not worth the price difference between the two. There may be situations where size is the deciding factor so I think Sony will keep the T415 on the market for those reasons.
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Now about the battery life of the T615 and M515. I have lived with multiple M505's, with my wife and I having a matched set, and each of us having to return our originals due to defects. My own experience with 4 M505's regarding battery life was consistent with the non-official test results Ed mentioned in his review. The Sony website lists the battery life of the T615 as 12 days. I could not find a statement saying what Sony determines as "Normal", but most companies and users set this at about 30 minutes, which would be about 6 hours. The M505 did slightly better than this in my own experience and in the PIC listed test.
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I have had the M515 for about 2 weeks, and have been using AppUsage to track, well,.. application usage! This does not give an accurate report of the exact time because tracking does not record time spent while in the menus. This is not a big deal and probably only amounts to a few minutes lost. On the plus side, the program logs the time spent actually using each application.
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What I did was unplug my cradles from power, and just use the Palm as usual. It took over two hours of use (that's on-and-in-use time) for the M515 to finally drop off of the 100% mark. It took seven hours of use to drop below 50%, which is longer than the time listed by Sony to drain the T615 completely.
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Now, this is only one device, and it could be that I have one of those freak devices that just lasts longer than the typical M515. Scientific testing methods would require that the results be repeatable (within the margin of error) on multiple devices with the same specifications. Still, such a drastic difference would seem to indicate a marked improvement over the former M505, and also an advantage (in battery, anyway) over the T615.
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I agonized over the M515 and the T615 when deciding which to buy, with the intention of returning the M515 if I was disappointed. The battery life was a bonus and I was delighted to have a 144Mb device which could survive ANY workday and still have plenty of power left at the end of the day, even if that day involves my full-time job, my part-time job, and surfing the web for a couple of hours at night while the wife is on the phone;) If I had my way, I would get both,.. the M515 for business and games, and the T615 for the rest of the time. Now, if I could transplant either the resolution or the battery...
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Altema


3 years too late

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 5:30:48 PM #
This unit doesn't have hi-res, an astounding color screen, or a back button. When will Sony ever learn to innovate like Sony.

Points given to this unit for its use of the industry standard memory stick, though.

RE: 3 years too late
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 5:53:14 PM #
well not everyboy can shell out $400 + taxes for a PDA
Lucky you if you can.

RE: 3 years too late
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 6:33:14 PM #
I know this gotta be a joke, Sony wasn't in the market 3 years ago.

But it's good to have a sense of humor :)

RE: 3 years too late
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/15/2002 7:47:06 PM #
Well, if they didn't have a low end model like this, then that segment will only consist of Handspring and Palm.

But I guess you like fewer choices. :P

RE: 3 years too late
Altema @ 3/15/2002 8:45:36 PM #
"This unit doesn't have hi-res, an astounding color screen, or a back button."

Yes it does, you just have to enable these features by upgrading to OS 4.2!

RE: 3 years too late
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 2:10:24 AM #
Actually no id won't have 320X320 resolution no matter how ...

RE: 3 years too late
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 5:31:58 PM #
We could have added something like this:

This is what the PEG300/320 should have been, only it's over a year late. Correcting the deficiencies of a previous product is not good enough. When will Sony innovate?

RE: 3 years too late
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/18/2002 11:56:55 AM #
<< This is what the PEG300/320 should have been, only it's over a year late. Correcting the deficiencies of a previous product is not good enough. When will Sony innovate? >>

LOL! I love this comment! This is EXACTLY what the "Sony-istas" would be saying if this were a Palm product. But of course, it says "Sony" across the top, so we've all got to genuflect and kiss its ever-loving feet!

In all fairness, I think the S360 is a good unit, as was the S320. The S300? Well...P.O.S. Still, I think it's funny that people rush to the defense of this "evolutionary" unit when they slam Palm & Handspring mercilessly for their own evolutionary devices.

Offtopic Question Regarding This Site

jjsoh @ 3/16/2002 12:01:34 AM #
Ed
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Sorry for posting an offtopic question, but is there a problem with automatic line spacing? I've been noticing it ever since you posted the article on the release of Sony's new CLIÉ.
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As you can see, I get around it by typing in those '.' at the beginning of the line. :) Just a minor nitpick. Thanks for your time.
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Jim

RE: Offtopic Question Regarding This Site
big_raji @ 3/16/2002 12:16:32 AM #
I've noticed that too.
 
Quite unnerving.
 
I mean, I'm used to having spaces in between each sentence.
 
Just a stupid quirk of mine.
 
:P

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RE: Offtopic Question Regarding This Site
jjsoh @ 3/16/2002 10:11:41 AM #
Hahaha.. I stand corrected. ^_^

I could've sworn it was messed up! Maybe I should get out more.


Jim

correction

SaxonMan @ 3/16/2002 1:07:03 AM #
"The S360 runs the 33 MHz Motorola Dragonball. It also has 16 MB of RAM and an upgradable ROM. This puts it on par with more expensive models like the Visor Pro."

well the visor pro doesnt have an upgradable ROM.

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RE: correction
msmasitti @ 3/16/2002 12:13:48 PM #
Ed wasn't referring to the Pro having upgradable ROM. That is just the class of units that the S360 fits into.

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RE: correction
Ed @ 3/16/2002 2:21:32 PM #
I think the performance of the two are comparable even if their features aren't exactly the same. In order for the S360 to be upgraded, you need more than just flash ROM. You need an updated version of the OS. With OS 5 going Golden Master in just a few months and the fact that it runs on only ARM-based machines, I strongly doubt there will be any new versions of the OS out for the S series.

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there is another one its way

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 2:46:53 AM #
This sony might nice and all of that but just the other day someone showed me a Japanese website of Sony and there it was the Clie that is not only a Palm but as well an MP3 player, cqmera and as if it is not yet enough a cell phone.

So why buying this model when you know that a much more complete model is on its way?

RE: there is another one its way
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 4:49:12 AM #
maybe because some people don't need that many stuff ? why carry a mp3 player + Camera in your pocket while you don't need them.

Sony makes a very wide variety of Clie, there's alwyas choice, you could choose to get the low (S-series), mid(N-series), high (T-series), Fancy (N-series with mp3) or super fancy model (NR-series).

RE: there is another one its way
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 6:13:55 AM #
...and possibly because this only costs $200 rather than an estimated $500. Not everyone has money to burn.

RE: there is another one its way
Ed @ 3/16/2002 8:20:19 AM #
You can read about that new Sony devices, in English, here:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3123

There is more about them here:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3134

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3com should be worried

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 8:09:04 AM #
I think 3 com should sell palm off now as these new sonys are so much more advanced they are going to lose big time market share just like Psion.

RE: 3com should be worried
Ed @ 3/16/2002 8:22:24 AM #
Palm became an independent company over two years ago.

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RE: 3com should be worried
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/16/2002 2:14:20 PM #
lol...

RE: 3com should be worried
cyruski @ 3/16/2002 4:14:42 PM #
ROTFL :)

cyruski!
RE: 3com should be worried
Vexel9 @ 3/17/2002 1:55:20 PM #
Hey Ed i told you man!!

Low-end Product Attracts Low-end...

You should have kept the post up!

This is f*ckin hilarious. I wonder what else he thinks...

A s320 plus 8mb= excelento !!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/17/2002 9:27:13 PM #
I have a s320 and it was the best palm device you could get for 170 bucks (e-cost).

Now for the same price you get + 8mb, a cradle and docs to go. EXCELENTOUU !!!!

Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/17/2002 9:41:31 PM #
The inclusion of the jog dial makes this a right-handed person's machine. Or is it still possible to use your index finger of your right hand?


Regards,

John

RE: Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
gaardii @ 3/18/2002 8:40:51 AM #
Sony have a Clie AvantGo channel called "Clie Plaza". In it there's an interview with Mr T Tokuro, Clie Product Manager. Here's a quote from it that you may find helpful:

"Q: You put the JogDial on the left side. Didn't you give any consideration to left-handed users?

A: Of course we did, and designed the JogDial to be operated with either hand. It so happens that I am left-handed. I hold the stylus in my left hand, and operate the JogDial with the middle finger of my right hand. I don't think left-handed people will have any trouble getting used to the arrangement."

Gordon from Edinburgh

RE: Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/18/2002 9:08:42 AM #
Any new high quality mouse has that slope on the mouse made for a right handed person, logitech, Microsoft and some other companies, anyways I got no problem with using the mouse with wither my left or right hand, it's just a matter of getting used to it.

RE: Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
dúnadan @ 3/20/2002 9:35:09 AM #
If you can deal with the display, this is the most practical value around (not including the random deals one can find these days on N610s, etc). The green screen really kills it for me though. I'd rather have an Edge, an m125, or anything else that has a light gray screen.

www.CLIEsource.com

Broken display

PIC mobile user @ 3/20/2002 8:38:24 PM #
I had a Sony PEG-S320 and after 1 week of use the display was broken. I called Sony and they say that I had to send my handheld, it costs US$ 100 + TAX.
It doesn't have any sense cause I paid US$ 150 for my Clie.
Where can I buy the display and how much would it cost?
On the other hand I was happy with my Clie.

HOW TO HOTSYNC MY HANDHELD WITH MY PC

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/4/2002 8:31:15 PM #
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PROPERLY HOTSYNC MY PALM HANDHELD SONY CLIE MODEL PEG-S320 WITH MY PC. I CANNOT FIGURE IT OUT. I AM RUNNING WINDOWS 98 ON MY PERSONAL COMPUTER. MANY THANX'S
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