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NR70V In March, Sony announced that it would be soon be releasing the NR70 and NR70V, two models with built-in keyboards and 320 by 480 color screens. Both also have built-in MP3 players and, as if that weren't enough, the NR70V has a built-in digital camera. News Editor Ed Hardy has had a chance to play around with the NR70V and brings us his first impressions.
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Thanks

welwyngc @ 5/1/2002 9:17:00 AM #
Looking forward to your ongoing experiences with the NR70v.

I am interested in the battery life.

RE: Thanks
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:31:09 AM #
me too
RE: Thanks
Liam @ 5/1/2002 10:06:07 AM #
Thanks Ed! You have the best Palm related site. Keep up the great work.

RE: Thanks
Altema @ 5/1/2002 11:26:49 AM #
Good article as usual Ed, thanks for the info. I would NEVER never be interested in such a device, but, well, if Sony does not want it back right away, umm, could you ship it to my address?

Battery life of NR
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:08:44 PM #
I have both the T615 and an NR (sans camera). So far the new NR does "seem" to run down the battery faster. I'll have to wait a few weeks to see what the difference really is.

Wonderful screen. Better reds than the old screens.

RE: Thanks
stephen007 @ 5/1/2002 1:48:20 PM #
Argh! Don't say the NR battery runs down faster than the 615. My 615's battery life is already short enough as is!

On a similar note I was thinking about this the other day... since the NR70 has exactly 50% more screen real estate than the standard model you'd think it would use 50% more battery power when it's on. This, of course, does *not* translate into 33% less battery life because it's also dependent on how big (physically) the battery is. After all, that explains why the 615 has a shorter batter life than the 710/760.

We'll have to see.

Stephen

RE: Thanks
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 3:22:46 PM #
Also note that the NR70 has a faster processor.

RE: Thanks
Recce @ 5/2/2002 12:44:06 AM #
The NR70's battery is pretty bad. I've been using mine for 1 month plus now.

The rated life is about 5 hours max, 1 hr shorter than the T615. Viewing a ebook while listening to MP3 is even worse, around 2 hours.

But the specs and especially the colouful screen overshadows the battery disadvantage to me.

"The only easy day was yesterday"

RE: Thanks Ed
rigter @ 5/2/2002 8:26:15 AM #
Thanks Ed...

... for trying to be fair and unbiased in your reports
... for trying to end these stupid Sony-Palm-Whatever flames. These flames are keeping me away from the comments pages more and more ...

Cheers,
Jan

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RE: Thanks
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 11:54:33 AM #
battery life is whats keeping me away from sony devices. im gonna wait for a better T615.
RE: Thanks
Berliner @ 5/3/2002 1:49:57 PM #
Recce,

how long does the battery last if you read an ebook without listening to mp3???

TIA for the info.

-B.

...Wherever you go, there you are...

RE: Thanks
escobar @ 5/3/2002 3:33:26 PM #
Aprox. 2 hours! :(

RE: Thanks
Recce @ 5/4/2002 10:24:15 AM #
Just reading ebook without using MP3 is the same as using it as normal, i.e. about 5 hrs continuous battery life.


"The only easy day was yesterday"

Palm, Handspring and Handera are History

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:15:26 AM #
The other Palm OS hardware manufacturers will soon be a fond memory, like Pets.com and Webvan. The Sony hardware is so much superior. Wait till they release integrated wireless and cell phones by the end of this year.
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
Ed @ 5/1/2002 9:28:46 AM #
Guys, do we really have to have the "Sony Rules! Palm drools!" argument one more time? It's gotten really old. It also doesn't make a lot of sense. This is a great new handheld and its good for the entire Palm platform, not just Sony. It provides a very high-end option for people who might otherwise have defected to the Pocket PC.

No model is right for everyone and no manufacturer makes handhelds that are right for everyone. Each has their advantages and disadvantages. It is up to everyone to decide which is most important to them and pick the appropriate handheld. As Mike Mace said at the PalmSource conference, "The killer application is diversity."

We don't want just one company making Palm OS devices. Without competition, prices go up and innovation goes down. We need a variety of manufacturers making a variety of handhelds with a variety of feature sets to satisfy a variety of customers.

Say you got your ultimate wish and Sony drove Palm, Handspring, HandEra and all the other companies out of business. The entire Palm platform would hang on the whim of a huge company who, at best, ranks handhelds somewhere in the middle of its gigantic list of products. Do you really want the Palm OS to die because some Sony executive decided to drop it to free up more development money for camcorders? If only one company makes Palm OS handhelds, that is possible.

Let's give up this pointless infighting. It isn't interesting to read and it is certainly a bigger danger to the Palm platform than Microsoft is.

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RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:35:14 AM #
And just how many people do you think are going to shell out $500-$600?
GET REAL!!!
I'm impressed with this unit, but it will be a while before I jump on the band wagon and buy one.

And one more thing, I own a Sony, but this Sony superiority attitude (it's not all Sony owners out there just a few) is getting a little old.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:40:36 AM #
I would prefer that the other companies *don't* die off. Competition is what this country is built on....well....with the US Postal Service being the exception. And every other initiative that "Big-Government" Democrats believe in. Whoops, wrong forum.

Anyway, in my twisted world, I'd prefer that Casio and Compaq, Toshiba, etc. all leave the Future-less PocketPC, and start offering some truly exciting, innovative, and more importantly *USEFUL* options in the Palm hardware arena.

Competition....or should I say FAIR competition (wink, wink, Microsoft) ALMOST ALWAYS makes for a happier consumer, in the long run.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:07:13 AM #
Really. I own a Sony Clie and love it, but heck, I'd drop it in a minute if one of the other manufacturers came up with anything close. Quite simply because Sony support SUCKS! I've had several experiences with it, and they weren't fun, although finally resolved to my satisfaction.

There is one big reason Palm still wins over PPC and that is PRICE. People buy Palms because they just want the basics and can get a Palm very cheap compared to the PPCs...particularly the new m130 in color now! These new Sonys certainly won't change THAT.


RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
TDS Computer @ 5/1/2002 10:08:10 AM #
Thank you, Ed, for finally responding to the Sony zealot who constantly rehashes the same statements over and over. Maybe coming from you, he will stop.

Does this handheld feel big and unwieldy? It almost looks like it would be awkward to use, considering its length and the built in keyboard. Also, is it "slippery" like the 760 series was? I actually had one slip out of my hands once because it was so smooth.

The feature set is gorgeous on this unit.

Visit us at www.tdscomputer.com

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:20:38 AM #
I looked at one at CompUsa yesterday. Unfortunately it was not charged so I couldn't look at the screen. It is very well made and looks nice. I didn't like the keyboard at all and would not use it. I think the twist style is just a way to come up with a place to put a big battery for that huge screen. I also think the battery life would be very limiting. I wouldn't buy one though because OS 5 is so close and I'm finally getting tired after years of buying the latest coolest handheld.
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:38:30 AM #
Unit looks nice, but I too would like to know how a seven ounce unit feels in one's trouser pocket. (Too big obviously for a shirt pocket). Having recently bought a 6 oz plus Handera, it feels noticeably heavier than the 4.9 oz Palm units. A PDA that stays at home because it's too big is useless, no matter how good the feature set is....
Come on, people...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:56:55 AM #
Let's put aside our pride and hatred, or whatever. Sony has put great effort and ideas into its new handhelds. Whether they will be hot cakes, we don't know. But we know PDAs' limits have not be reached yet. Hopefully Palm or Sony will include these niche features (camera, keyboard) and sell the units at an affordable price.
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
Beavis @ 5/1/2002 11:10:46 AM #
Do away with anonymous postings and this board will become more civilized.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
nategall @ 5/1/2002 11:34:05 AM #
>And just how many people do you think are going to
>shell out $500-$600? GET REAL!!!

me. But see, this is the great thing about a consumer driven market place. A company puts a product out there and it either sinks or swims. Even a small company can put out a "better" product then the big boys if they work hard at it.

thank god for
1. the free market
2. palm allowing others to use their os
3. diversity
4. Ed and the kickin' reviews. (thanks ed!)

"why can't we all... just get along?"

nategall says "blah!"

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:17:03 PM #
Sorry! Sony geek. This expensive model with a useless camera might also go tank in 6 months. Clampshell KB is good only for notebook, but does not make handheld more handheld. Extra 2 oz and size is painful ego to carry.
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:59:28 PM #
My response to the above message:

Yes you'reright 16Ounce egoheavey Mountain Dew good.
Homer mad less filling great screen market recovering.

Grammar Enlish important not.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 1:14:34 PM #
LOL!!! Now that is funny!!
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 1:54:49 PM #
Some people live for their work, others work to live!
Some people use their PDA to aid and support the process of working to live. Others appear to live for their PDA.
The best innovators have used the humble reverse side of a cigarrete pack to initiate and record a spark of genious.
Lets all keep our feet firmly on terra firma and use the device that suits our own particular purpose, to our own particualr advantage.
JPN.
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
Pentagonal @ 5/1/2002 2:16:34 PM #
Some people constantly wait in the wings to be the first to pounce on a new story here, and it is always some inflammatory nonsence intended to drive the quality of the conversation right into the ground. Get a job!

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 2:30:35 PM #
I have a job ( the work to live type) aided comprehensively by a well used HE330. I have also tried out numerous other PDA's and believe simple is best.
My point is that I use the HE330 as a tool rather than a toy. On that basis I feel strongly that it has advantages whose value have some way to run. I also feel strongly that the PDA concept is to simplify one's life, rather than add another layer of complexity. After all, the 'A' does stand for something.

JPN

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 4:38:50 PM #
ED!!!! THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU!!!!

I think there's some lone goon out there basically sitting on PIC, constantly refreshing the page, hoping to read a Sony story so he can be the first to post, and wants to run the same old line about Sony wiping out Palm, Handspring, and HandEra. Heck, he's been up to it for over a year now, and his "prophecy" still seems untrue.

But hey! I think you finally stopped him! And for that, I offer a HUGE "Thank You!"

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 4:58:13 PM #
Palm didn't put hires and ARM support in PalmOS5 so that only Sony would use it. We're definitely going to see beefed up Palms in the future. Does it pay to have the goodies now? People shelling out $ for the new clies won't be able to upgrade to OS5 so what's the point? There are very few games and other multimedia apps that take advantage of the hires and when Palm sets the new hires standard I doubt people will develop for just the Clies
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 5:13:42 PM #
Handera is going to go because they are ****ing stupid. They had innovations 1 year to 18 months ahead of all other PalmOS suppliers and they did nothing but shoot themselves in the foot one time after another.

Even now they have old hardware that is getting older by the minute and yet they say or do nothing to help themselves or the people who bought into thier equipment. Glad to see them go!! Sony will RULE!!!!!!

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 5:34:45 PM #
Ouch, you used the 'F' word.

Sony already rule in many fields. I have one of their excellent widescreen tv's. Others make excellent w/s tv's too. They dont' however ask you to pay $600 or €700 (in my part of the world) for a device that can double for the remote control they have already sold you with your tv.
You still miss the point.
A carpenter does not need a digital clock built into the handle of his hammer, yet some hammers are built better than others. Sony may rule in the world of those who buy a PDA to change their TV channel, or photograph their pet cat ( or is it a badger?). Other innovators will always emerge to conceptualise, design, and develop for a particular part of a very large market.
JPN.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
Ed @ 5/1/2002 6:07:26 PM #
> Sony will RULE!!!!!!

Wow, I made that beautiful appeal for reason and yet we still get replies like this one. Should I repost the entire thing and hope this guy reads it this time? Maybe I'll just shorten it. All of us are tired of "Sony Rules!! Everyone else drools!!!" It isn't true and its sophomoric. What the Palm platform needs is competition, not one company making all the handhelds. Diversity is the killer app.

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RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 6:50:07 PM #
yeah yeah Ed, you said it! err one question tho... doesnt sophmoric mean wise but stupid??
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
Ed @ 5/1/2002 7:23:45 PM #
Sorry, no. According to Dictionary.com, it means, "Exhibiting great immaturity and lack of judgment"

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=sophomoric

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RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 7:28:19 PM #
I like the whole idea of a rotating screen.

Like Ed said, it's its own case, and rotating it isnt any more inconvenient than opening a case.

Remember back when sony put those things on camcorders..
Now they all have one!

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 8:52:53 PM #
Gotcha Ed, its just that the word roots confused me... soph=wise more=stupid
RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:16:24 PM #
Usually I actually prefer a little lively discussion. Meaning, I don't immediately call someone who happens to disagree or have a disparaging view a "troll". this and most other boards need to get over that term and quit using it everytime someone bags their PDA of choice. Engage them on the points. If they clearly have no basis or knowledge to back up their claim, they maybe they're a troll.

That having been said, some of the Sonyistas should take a stroll over to the PPC boards or even the so-called "neutral" sites like PDA Buzz and listen to what those folks have to say about the Palm OS your Clies use. Not only are most of them living in denial, but they vehemently hate the Palm OS and are quite smug about it. It might cause you take on a little unity with the rest of the Palm, Handspring, Handera, etc. users out there.

Going forward, the OS is the most important thing for Palm the combined company. The OS dominates the PDA world (PPC is far, far from a threat) and has the potential to run most any small digital device in the world.

Ok, speech over.

how can we stop dumbasses from making dumbass comments?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 4:25:46 AM #
we cant. unless we have some age-checking mechanism in placed, but on the other hand, age has nothing to do with some of the immature comments in this forum...

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 4:26:27 AM #
Re."Wait till they release integrated wireless and cell phones by the end of this year."

They will? Where did you hear that?

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 7:30:27 AM #
Ed, thanks for such a level-headed message.

I'm not convinced that there is much of a market for a multi-media brick like the NR70v. WinCE and PPC have tried to cover this ground time and again, only to meet with consistent failure. Compaq has done better than some of the others, but largely by focusing on the corporate distribution channels.

Sony doesn't have legions of sales consultants crawling over corporate America, so what chance do they have in the enterprise market? Not a lot, I'd say.

Well that leaves the little consumer (like me). Well, the design looks nice, and some of the gimmicks are astounding. Would I but one? No. All those multimedia functions are not going to help me do what I need to do - likely they would just get in the way (try using Windows Me if you don't know what I mean). Do I want to pay for all that stuff? No way. Moreover, all those multimedia features put demands on the handware, which means a bigger unit and heavy drain on the battery. This is not exactly a recipe for success in the consumer market, the way I see it, anyway.

So, while this unit is interesting, the jury is still out on whether it will succeed.

Thanks for keeping us all informed of developments.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 10:59:39 AM #
I just ordered the PEG-NR70 and thought it was a great idea. I have a Sony Digital Cam and was looking for something to play MP3 and view/transfer pics from the memory stick to a portable HD on vacation.

The NR70 in combination with a LaCie 30GB HD (which will connect to the NR70 by USB) seemed to fill my needs nicely. And it all fits in my camera bag.

I looked at the 700 series but with the MP3 add on you right up there with the NR70 without the neat features of the NR.

In my case the compatibility between products (mainly memory sticks) was the key feature to Sony.

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
geocritter @ 5/3/2002 3:07:29 PM #
I disagree. One important mistake that Sony has made (aka, shooting themselves in the foot) is the lack of "stuff" available, esp. for the "T" series. No serial cables (and I know they're available from third parties overseas, but Sony should make them available themselves)(and yes, many still don't like USB. I saw 2 sony's passed up on this morning for that reason alone) lack of other goodies, like gps cables, no modem, etc., a bastard connecting jack for each of the different series (Palm made that goofup before the universal connector, but they learned). A screen (on the T615 for color comparison) that, while having a great high res, is lousy outside as much as the IIIc and it's contemporaries were, etc. The other sony's that I've worked with (S360 mainly)were ill-fitting plastic things that just felt cheap, rattled, etc.

I'm not trying to start a flamewar, I'm just trying to show that Sony's are really no better than any of the others. They all have shortfalls, and really, it's what shortfalls are least important to you personally that determines which ones are good/bad for you. So please, drop the "Sony Rules" stuff. It certainly doesn't "Rule" for many people.

There. My $0.02's worth. Or maybe $0.04 worth. :-)

RE: Palm, Handspring and Handera are History
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/5/2002 2:02:44 AM #
I bought a TREO but returned it because the screen sucked so bad...I could not read it! My Palm Vx's screen looked 300% clearer! You know, one wants all in one like the Treo and when one gets it its too small.

The screen for the NR70V/70 is the great accomplishment. And I think Palm and Handspring will copy the size. I don't know how we babyboomers who are the only people really using these expensive devices dealt with the miniature screens for so long. What we'll see is that simply we needed a better screen! Well here it is and all can copy it!

An article in MIT's Technology magazine predicted a ultra small phone with email and a context rich proud Palm...2 different machines for the businessman as the end result.

I agree. And here it is: The Sony NR70V...finally a SCREEN with the size we can read and use and a seductive body I simply cannot resist!

One Q on the camera

Kaitou @ 5/1/2002 9:23:35 AM #
All the stats of the NR70V show that the camera has one megapixel support, but how is that possible with the small image sizes?

RE: One Q on the camera
Ed @ 5/1/2002 9:25:19 AM #
Where have you seen anything on megapixel support? Can you give me a web page? Unless I'm seriously mistaken, the max number of pixels is 76,800, a long way short.

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RE: One Q on the camera
Kaitou @ 5/1/2002 9:35:32 AM #
"PEG-NR70V only: Built-in camera for taking digital still photos (100,000 effective pixels)"

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q62E219C <-- Sony's Clie Showcase, just click on the camera icon

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N34E229C <--- NR70V Specs PDF file

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J15E439C <-- Clie specs at SonyStyle again

not sure, maybe I got something wrong

RE: One Q on the camera
Ed @ 5/1/2002 9:48:16 AM #
Ahhh, Kaitou you are having units problems. A megapixel camera can take images with a million pixels, not 100,000. Still, I'll see what I can find on how Sony rates it as 100,000 "effective pixels", when I count 76,800. I'm not sure what an effective pixel is. Maybe Sony has hired a bunch of young, ambitious pixels who can take the place of a smaller number of pixels who take long lunches and leave early on Fridays. Joking aside, I'll see what I can find and include it in the final review.

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RE: One Q on the camera
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:48:20 AM #
A megapixel is 1,000,000 pixels, not 100,000. The closest thing (4:3 aspect) to exactly 1 megapixel would be 1152 x 864 (995,328 pixels). 1280 x 960 is the next step up with 1.2 megapixels (1,228,800 to be exact).
RE: One Q on the camera
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:48:43 AM #
With this camera, ony is really pushing us into more into the future than I think people are expecting. The inclusion of a camera is in no way whatsoever intended to be a replacement for a real digital camera. We are so used to using text on computers that we often see the inclusion of images as a special thing. Sony is trying to change that.

Adding images of people to your address book is a major use for this type of camera, not a peripheral one.

RE: One Q on the camera
Kaitou @ 5/1/2002 10:22:24 AM #
lol ok, and I know i heard it reported as a megapixel camera before a few times, even in the first article PIC did on this toy

RE: One Q on the camera
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:24:35 AM #
I have a Sony Viao with built-in camera (640x480pxls) but I can honestly say that, apart from some playing about when the PC was new, I have never used it and certainly never for anything 'serious'.

Much better to have the handheld without the camera and a separate digital camera (also Sony if you want to view the images on your handheld)
I realise that this will cost more but believe me if you have a 'proper' digital camera you will use it.

RE: One Q on the camera
Ed @ 5/1/2002 10:38:03 AM #
I checked through my original article and, while I never referred to it as a megapixel camera, there were some comments from users who called it that. These were from the first few hours after the announcement in Japan and we were still depending on notoriously unreliable translations from Japanese. At this point, you are going to have to accept that anyone who says that the NR70V has a megapixel camera is incorrect. Sorry.

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RE: One Q on the camera
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:47:19 AM #
I have a Japanese friend and he finds it very difficult to convert Yen into pounds (in his head!) - always gets the number of zeros wrong.

RE: One Q on the camera
visorprismman @ 5/1/2002 11:23:03 AM #
Sorry to be a pain but handspring's eyemodule2 still takes better pictures then the sony and the combination still costs alot less then the sony. And Hello eyecontact has been around for years...pictures in your address book get tired...

RE: One Q on the camera
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 1:49:58 PM #
Hi, Ed:

I'm interested in the quality of the built-in camera of NR-70V. I do have a digital camera already but still think it may be a good idea to have a built-in camera handly for snap shot of friends or even documents. Could you give us some comments on the quality of the pic? Thanks!

RE: One Q on the camera
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 11:07:21 AM #
It's more or less like the Palmpix, the use is a 'photo notepad', a visual reminder..

What I'd like to see in a review

big_raji @ 5/1/2002 9:33:50 AM #
Being in Canada, I'm not going to get a chance to see this in person for awhile. Would it be possible to get side-by-side comparisons of this with other pda's, just to get a good idea of the size?

Thanks

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RE: What I'd like to see in a review
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 10:15:24 AM #
If it helps, the NR70 is the same thickness as the N760C (when closed), the same width as both the N760C and the T615C, and .75" taller than the T615C. Note, however, that the NR70's screen is .5" taller than the screen/graffiti area combo of the T615C.

RE: What I'd like to see in a review
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:22:49 AM #
Guys, do we really have to have the "Canada Rules! The United States drools!" argument one more time? It's gotten really old. It also doesn't make a lot of sense. This is a great new constitution and its good for the entire The United States’ way of life, not just Canada. It provides a very high-end option for people who might otherwise have defected to the French way of life.

No model is right for everyone and no manufacturer makes constitutions that are right for everyone. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. It is up to everyone to decide which is most important to them and pick the appropriate constitution. As Mike Mace said at the United States Source conference, "The killer application is diversity."

We don't want just one company making United States devices. Without competition, prices go up and innovation goes down. We need a variety of manufacturers making a variety of constitutions with a variety of feature sets to satisfy a variety of customers.

Say you got your ultimate wish and Canada drove the United States, Mexico, Great Britain and all the other countries out of business. The entire United States way of life would hang on the whim of a huge country who, at best, ranks constitutions somewhere in the middle of its gigantic list of products. Do you really want the United States to die because some Canada executive decided to drop it as a cost cutting move? If only one country makes United States constitutions, that is possible.

Let's give up this pointless infighting. It isn't interesting to read and it is certainly a bigger danger to the The United States way of life than France is.

:)

RE: What I'd like to see in a review
nategall @ 5/1/2002 11:41:55 AM #
hey, stop picking on Ed!
(finally, someone who has more free time than me, geesh)

nategall says "blah!"
RE: What I'd like to see in a review
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:19:29 PM #
Hm.. I think you underestimate the danger of France. I'm told they have *much* better cheese.

RE: What I'd like to see in a review
big_raji @ 5/1/2002 12:23:59 PM #
Ok, those comparisons actually do help alot. Thanks. I'm looking for a replacement for my n610c, the dust is driving me absolutely crazy, and since I'm in Canada, there's no warranty on the unit. Gah.

Re: I.M.Anonymous' Rant

What are you talking about exactly? I didn't think I made any type of "United States Droolz, Canada Roolz" type statements... I'm confused.

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RE: What I'd like to see in a review
Pentagonal @ 5/1/2002 2:22:44 PM #
It was a parody of Ed's response to the Sony troll at the top of the replies. I don't think anyone misread or was offended by your response.

RE: What I'd like to see in a review
big_raji @ 5/1/2002 5:54:24 PM #
Ah, I see. I actually skipped over that whole thread up there for the very reasons that Ed outlined in his response... lol

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RE: What I'd like to see in a review
rigter @ 5/2/2002 8:32:54 AM #
Wait a minute...

As a Dutch guy I strongly object to the idea that the French have better cheese than anyone else.
I must warn you that we have a mean Gouda and the american way of life is definitely threatened by our bastard UnieKaas.
Be warned ... ) ... *your life is about to change* ...

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RE: What I'd like to see in a review
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 9:50:47 AM #
YOU WILL SEE IT SOON!! My brother works at FutureShop and he said their getting it very very soon. It's already in inventory. it's $1000 CDN.
RE: What I'd like to see in a review
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 9:58:30 AM #
yoink:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C29A00BC

preorder your Sony today... :)

Turning virtual grafitti area
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 10:54:37 AM #
As I understand, depending on the rotation of the screen of this unit, it will automatically turn the image upside down and backwards. What worries me is, since I have noticed a scratchy zone on the grafitti input area of many pda´s -but hey!, there´s nothing to look at there-, with this unit you will have it in the top and the bottom! -no matter how you look at it-

Now, the thumbpad will help with this, but it´s an issue to consider....

RE: What I'd like to see in a review
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 1:06:43 PM #
BTW I wasn't making fun of Ed, or the guy from Canada. I just liked Ed's rant and thought it had a sort of universal application - just do a find & replace and you've got a pre-made rant for any occasion!
RE: What I'd like to see in a review
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 1:35:43 PM #
...I do hate the French, though.
RE: What I'd like to see in a review
wintermute @ 5/2/2002 8:04:20 PM #
I wanted to say (without having sony fans get offened), that just because sony comes with a superior pda, does not mean palm and handspring are going to die or anything. Infact, in terms of sales it most likely will help sony alot, but not enough to take over the PDA market or anything like that! A lote of people (as myself) do not want a PDA that has a camera and costs hundreds of bucks. Many users might like a more powerful PDA, but wont go that far. But all in all, its still great that we have sony to add more multimedia function to the Palm platform. It makes a harder choice to pick a PDA, but that's always a good thing. Keep up the good work Sony.

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But when will the NR70V be available?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:37:04 AM #
I know that the NR70 is in stores and available on the web. But the NR70V is still backordered everywhere. When will it be available for the rest of us?

That for the mini-review Ed, now I just want it even more.

RE: But when will the NR70V be available?
nategall @ 5/1/2002 11:43:13 AM #
I had ordered mine from Dell. Originally suppose to ship 4/22. At 4pm on 4/22 they postponed it till 5/6. wanna bet if it ships?

nategall says "blah!"
RE: But when will the NR70V be available?
Liam @ 5/1/2002 1:44:04 PM #
Dell called me today and said May 15th for the "V." It sucks but it was only $489. Sony Style said May 25th for the screen protectors. At least I can get a memory stick now.

=)

Smaller icons

Boze @ 5/1/2002 9:38:28 AM #
Check this out--in the picture for this article on the front page of PIC, the icons on the cradled NR70V in the background show the launcher, but with very small high-res(?) icons. Can yours do this, Ed? I noticed that the picture of yours posted in the body of the review had the standard size icons we're all used to.

What's the deal?


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RE: Smaller icons
Ed @ 5/1/2002 9:57:20 AM #
That's an option Sony first added to the Launcher on the T615C (I think). You go into the Preferences for the Launcher and pick View By: Icon (Small). This will let you cram 28 tiny icons onto a Launcher window. It's an all or nothing deal, though. You can't have one category display the small icons and another display the large ones.

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RE: Smaller icons
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:15:46 AM #
It's possible to do this with Launcher III. You can choose the size of the icons and how many columns should be displayed PER category.

I don't think though it supports hires+ (for the moment!).

RE: Smaller icons
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 11:57:06 AM #
You can install the new launcher on the n7x0 too. Takes 100k but looks nice.

I think its on the NXT Yahoo Groups site.

RE: Smaller icons
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:08:03 PM #
Yes, Ed, you can choose to display tiny icons on the T615, so I guess Sony just passed this along to the new NR series. Icon display options on the T615 are:

View by:

List
Icon
List (small)
Icon (small)

Choosing List (small) delivers an impressive sight: a full app list sharply rendered in micro fonts with micro app icons as well.

That godawful noise...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:47:45 AM #
was my plans to buy one of these coming to a screeching halt.

It will NEVER run OS 5?!!?!?

Why in the world would I pay this much to get a PDA with flash ROM that will, apparently never be flashed again, a dead end processor, and a major incompatible-with-your-unit OS upgrade due in a few months?

I realize that something-new-just-came-out-and-what-you-got-is-old-news is very much a fact of life with these gizmos (at least with a new car, I have a year to feel like I have the latest thing), but 600 dollars is way to much to pay for one that has it's obsolescense built right in and guaranteed.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:04:10 AM #
OS 5 also has obsolesence built in. Eventually there will be XScale, or better, Palms. The bittersweet thing about technology is that the evolution is so much faster than many other high dollar items.

Certainly the computer you bought a year ago will be a dinosaur shortly. HOWEVER, like a car, computer, or even a shirt, if a Palm with OS 4.1 does what YOU want it to do, then it will not be obsolete to you. Just not the latest version.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:11:30 AM #
I have, among others, a palm V that has had 3 or 4 different versions of the OS flashed onto it. It is now pretty much obsolete, but it had it's run. It kept up for quite a while.

This is different in that it makes no sense to have a flash ROM in a unit if there is NEVER going to be anything to upgrade to! You might say that this has everything that 5 is going to have that you might want (and you would just be guessing at this point) but what about 5.1, 5.5, 6.0?

One of the selling points of these things is that they can be upgraded. No upgrade means that it will keep up with the times and the improvements that come not at all.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:12:39 AM #
I agree I'll wait til they release one that runs OS5
RE: That godawful noise...
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 10:18:08 AM #
So you're going to pass up a fully mature OS4 unit for a most likely imperfect, and possibly buggy first-run OS5 machine? Why?

As stated by Ed, this unit incorporates many of the features that you will find in OS5 - large screen and enhanced multimedia.

I intend to use my NR70 for a year - by May 2003, OS5 devices should be far better than the initial offerings of this coming Fall.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:24:19 AM #
No no you missed the point.

I am not passing up this unit and waiting for OS 5. I am passing on this unit because there will never be an upgrade to it at all. OS 5 may be "buggy" (probably not, but that is another discussion) but if you can never upgrade, it does not really matter.

Likewise, I would not buy a computer that could never have the OS upgraded or changed. No matter how good the OS, something improved is certainly coming along. And damned quickly given the nature of these things.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:28:41 AM #
For 500 to 600 dollars, you should expect more than to use it "for a year". Those OS upgrades should not mean shelling out another 600 (or 700) or doing without. The hardware gets obsolete fast enough, but making the software frozen in place too? Screw that.
RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:42:41 AM #
I'd be interested to see a poll of users expectations of how long a PDA should last.
If you spend £200 should you expect to do the same next year?
If you spend £500 does the same apply?


RE: That godawful noise...
Ronin @ 5/1/2002 11:09:20 AM #
Here is a unique idea.

Just simply wait and see what OS 5 devices have to offer. There is no question that this is an excellent piece of kit. That this is about as much as anyone could hope for in a Palm OS device - today.

But, you know what, you don't have to buy it today. Maybe your current device meets your needs, maybe you are waiting to see what the future holds for the Palm OS. The phrase "obsolete technology" should not be synonymous with "there is newer technology available". If the device does what you need it to do buy it, if it does not wait until the device that does is on the market. Each release of a new device by Sony. Palm or anybody is not meant to cause each of us to run out, toss our current device to the side and buy it.

Let's take this scenario: 6 months from know the first OS 5 devices are on the market, they are nice but do not light your fire and you do not see any real difference for your needs that justifies the cost. As a result of the release of OS 5 devices, all OS 4.1 devices (including the Sony in question) are considerably discounted from their initial release price. Now the Sony with the Super VZ processor still does everything to satisfy your needs and desires (and does it well), is well supported with peripherals and gives you considerable bang for your buck. Now, it seems to me that, if the device you have to day meets your needs for the next six months following this course is simply being a smart consumer.

Consider getting off of the treadmill that demands that you immediately buy the shiniest and newest toy, then you will stop feeling the need to be on the bleeding edge of technology and make your purchasing decision on your actual needs. And with this outlook on purchasing, whether the device runs OS 4.1 or OS 5 or later would be irrelevant.

On a side note, I do appreciate the argument that this device certainly costs more because it uses Flash ROM instead of masked ROM (which is cheaper and not re-writable). And since OS updates that will need to be flashed are unlikely - why the extra cost? I can only think of one thing - Sony reads these boards and decided that they would avoid being lambasted the way HandSpring was/is for doing the same thing.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 11:15:53 AM #
You're not being very bright. Saying this unit is obsolete because it can't upgrade to OS5 is like saying your brand new petrol (gasoline) burning car is obsolete because it won't run using a fuel cell.

OS5 is going to require different hardware i.e. a new engine...

In terms of features, as Ed says and has been repeated often on these fora, OS5 is more or less OS4 ported for the new chips.

If this does the job you want it to do, it isn't obsolete. It just won't be the latest fastest any more.

Regards,

Nick

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 11:16:25 AM #
Upgrading isn't the only reason to have flash memory. Assuming that either FlashPro or JackFlash are updated to work with this device, that's a lot of extra storage space right there. And there may be ROM updates too, even if the device can't run OS5.

You just have to decide how you want to spend your money. I personally don't mind spending $500 (I got a good deal at Dell) for this device and using it for a year or so and selling it, but then again this is my main hobby.

RE: That godawful noise...
mtg101 @ 5/1/2002 11:23:07 AM #
You can say this about any PalmOS device on the market right now - none of them will be able to run PalmOS 5, because they all use Motorolla Dragonball processors.

Buying a PalmOS device now does indeed mean you'll never be able to upgrade it to OS5, although if it's got Flash memory you'll be able to upgrade to 4.X versions (for bugfixes etc).

Also remember that initially PalmOS 5 is just PalmOS 4.1 running on ARM chips. The minor differences that are there are in the Sony devices anyway - HiRes support and better sound support.

It's not until the 'next major upgrade' of the OS (probably 5.5 or 6) that you'll actually notice any real differences. So, these devices won't really be obsoleted until PalmOS 5.5 / 6.


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RE: That godawful noise...
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 11:26:32 AM #
Here is my philosophy: 'Wasted' money can always be replaced, but wasted time can never be recovered. It comes down to this: Would you rather 'waste' money on a top-of-the-line device and enjoy it for 6 months to a year, or 'waste' time waiting for the OS5 devices, which are at least 5-6 months away?

I've already made my choice.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 1:58:30 PM #
Hi! Can you hear me in the back? Good. Anyways, I'd like to say I have a Visor Platinum with a SmartMedia MemPlug. Other than lacking color, I have no complaints. The MemPlug simulates a VFS system for all programs(Of OS 4) on a 3.5.1 system. I'm sure adaptions will be made, look at my Visor, it still runs nearly EVERYTHING released today, save for a few color apps and DateBk4. Wordsmith, QuickOffice, TinyOffice all run perfectly fine. Games work just as well. I can add mp3 players or modems, on OLD TECHNOLOGY. While you are abandoning an OS that won't be replaced for at LEAST the next couple of months, I'm still using an archaic (To YOUR standards) OS but still doing everything like the OS was never changed.
We can compromise. Let us all be thankful we do not run OS 3.1! AMEN! END OF DISCUSSION!
RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 3:45:53 PM #
It is always such a relief when one of those fortunate souls who have the authority to end a discussion wanders by and puts the rest of us out of our misery.

Without such intervention, why, we might have discussed this until..until..we were through.

RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 5:05:51 PM #
once Palm moves to ARM there won't be any need to switch to another CPU. There will be better ARM cpus but you won't have to start from scratch just like moving from a Pentium 2 to a Pentium 4. So once you get on PalmOS 5 you can upgrade to PalmOS 6,7 etc.
RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 6:00:22 PM #
Ahh... but folks you all miss the point. If this was some basic model like a 160x160 unit or something I would agree that OS 5 doesn't mean a hoot. BUT the key thing here is the 320x480 screen. The API which supports it will TOTALLY be different in OS 5. Developers in a matter of months (if not already) are making 320x320, 320x480, and higher res applications for the NEW API which this unit will never support. What does this mean... the NR70V screen will never be well supported.
RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 6:28:10 PM #
I'm holding my hard earned dollars until OS7 comes out. They will have worked out all the bugs by then I'm sure
How could it?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 9:55:46 PM #
It has a 68k chip, not an ARM. But that doesn't make it a bad machine. Are you buying it as a toy or are you buying it for its functionality? If you buy it for its functionality, that doesn't diminish because something else comes out.
RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 12:43:58 PM #
Great discussion. But what if I tell You that it will be able to run OS 5. Just read some Palm's documents on the Palm's developer site. DragonBalls still have the best price/performance ratio, not mentioning power consumption.
Lukas
RE: That godawful noise...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 8:10:49 PM #
[rant]
Quit putting out bad information. This discussion was put to rest by Palm already. OS5 WILL NOT run on dragonball processors. Not even this one. If it isn't an ARM type chip, OS5 isn't an option.
[/rant]

ED, TYPO

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 11:17:14 AM #
The audio on the little built-in speaker isn't very loud, but it sounds pretty good. At least to me. I'm sure real audiophiles will >>turn turn <Fzara2000- No time to log in. I'll read the reviews later.

MYLO?

Isaiahp @ 5/1/2002 11:51:57 AM #
Are they abandoning this?? It seemed like such a great idea. I hope that they add support for this unit.

Isaiah!

RE: MYLO?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 11:19:03 PM #
The booklet that comes with the NR70 shows that they will have a regular modem and a mylo modem.

Question about casing

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:40:07 PM #
Ed (and anyone else who has used the new PDAs), how sturdy is the casing of the unit. do you feel as though you would feel comfortable walking around with the unit closed in your pocket, or do you think it still needs a case for added protection??? Does the case seem to attract fingerprints (like the visor pro cover) and scratches??? thanks in advance.
RE: Question about casing
LC @ 5/1/2002 2:21:30 PM #
The case seems very sturdy, and is totally fingerprint proof (apart from the shiny clie logo).
I was actually very surprised at the feel of the unit. I expected a bit less of a quality feel to it. this is deffinetly the highest quality feeling unit that I have ever had (followed closely by an HP Omnigo 120 and a Psion 3c). I carry it arround in my shirt or pant pocket and don't worry at all...

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RE: Question about casing
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 6:52:53 PM #
I agree with the above post. The magnesium case is very sturdy and quite scratch resistant. I've had the NR for about a month now (Japanese model), and have carried it in my jacket or pant pocket the whole time. Not a scratch on it. The only part that is prone to finger prints is the Clie logo on top and the shiny bar-code sticker on the back.

RE: Question about casing
doc @ 5/1/2002 10:58:56 PM #
Is the case sturdy enough to sustain a fall from hip level?

RE: Question about casing
Beavis @ 5/2/2002 7:29:21 AM #
"Is the case sturdy enough to sustain a fall from hip level?"

When you buy yours, you can do the test, and let the rest of us know.

RE: Question about casing
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 12:52:01 PM #
"When you buy yours, you can do the test, and let the rest of us know."

And this coming from a person who thinks IMA's should be outlawed.

Apparently, even login accounts don't deter the retarded from posting. IMA or not, there is no escape.

RE: Question about casing
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 5:22:36 PM #
I guess it's foolish to ask if putting the new Clie through the dishwasher to remove prints and dust is a good idea... :)
RE: Question about casing
Recce @ 5/2/2002 10:57:48 PM #
Actually, my NR70 experienced a heart-pounding drop 2 weeks back (Jap version, bought it for 1 month plus now).

To be more accurate, it was my colleague who dropped it on the floor. My Clie was on my office desk on that day and my colleague happened to walk to my desk, saw the Clie and try to take it to have a closer look. And immediately just after he lifts it off the desk, his fingers slipped and my Clie was dropped onto the hard carpeted floor (those very thin and rough carpet). It dropped onto the floor and bounced once and then slid about 1.5 meter away under my desk.

I quickly picked it up, looked for dents or scratches and then power it on. The Clie was in the close mode when it dropped.

Luckily it survived the fall without any scratches at all, or I'll have to force my colleague to buy me a new one!

However, I don't recommend anyone to try this at home.

"The only easy day was yesterday"

RE: Question about casing
doc @ 5/4/2002 9:08:41 AM #
Thanks for the info. I had forgotten how perfect everyone else is and that they have never dropped theirs before. It's good to see an additional protective carrying case won't be needed.

Palm V to Sony data transfer question

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:45:20 PM #
As I contemplate getting back on the PDA upgrade treadmill I have a basic question. How does Sony accomodate transfering all your data into your new Sony PDA? Half my brain resides in my Palm Vx!
RE: Palm V to Sony data transfer question
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 2:21:23 PM #
If it's like my previous Palm OS upgrades, it'll go without a hitch. Just plug in the new machine, synch, and pick your user name. In moments, the new machine will be a mirror of the old one.

If you want to keep the old V in synch with the new Clie, you can run into some conflicts, but even that's easily handled by changing the user name on one of the machines.


RE: Palm V to Sony data transfer question
LC @ 5/1/2002 2:25:36 PM #
I used syncwizard to copy all of the files from my M505 + SD to a directory of my hard drive. Then MSexport/MSImport to copy them into the backup directory of the MS. Then just hit restore in the backup app and Voila! Everything was as it should be (except some hacks that grossly interfered with the vg)

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RE: Palm V to Sony data transfer question
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 1:55:37 PM #
LC,

I assume syncwizard, MSexport/MSImport are all applications that come with your SONY?

DH

RE: Palm V to Sony data transfer question
LC @ 5/2/2002 3:41:45 PM #
Sorry,
Syncwizzard is 3rd party and it lets you view your palm like a hard drive.

Ms import and MS export both come with the clie

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MP3 Capability

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 12:50:48 PM #
Is there any limitation on the bitrates supported?
RE: MP3 Capability
popko @ 5/1/2002 3:24:43 PM #
The mp3 side of the NR series is the same as the N7xxx series.

RE: MP3 Capability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 3:32:52 PM #
Actually, it is not the same as the N7xx series.

I seem to recall that the N7xx series was capped to 128k encoding, and did not support VBR at all. There is no such limitation on encoding bit rate on the MP3 capability, and while sony does not officially support VBR, MP3s encoded with VBRs play just fine.

I've been playing MP3s encoded at 160k with VBR on the NR70J for just fine.

*However* there seems to be a problem with the MP3. One thing I have noticed is that the MP3 player emits sounds best discribed as short "squeeks" intermittently during playback. There's been considerable discussion about this in Japanese boards, and Sony seems to be aware of the problem. It occurrs regardless of bit rate or encoding software, though *not* using the Sony remote seems to significanlty reduce the frequence of the squeeks. Very annoying. We will see if Sony comes up with a fix.

RE: MP3 Capability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 3:51:02 PM #
Not true. I've got N770 (UK version), and it played
higher bitrates just fine - 192/256kbit. Not that i would want to encode with these as memory sticks are too small even for 64kb.
RE: MP3 Capability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 6:14:01 PM #
Sony has released a fix for the "noise" during mp3 playback yesterday.

It is only for the Japanese models. I would presume they have fix this in the English models.

http://www.nccl.sony.co.jp/download/C-W007-007-01/index.html

RE: MP3 Capability
popko @ 5/1/2002 6:41:26 PM #
Yeah I know Sony tell you so. But all N7xxx can playblack mp3s at a bit rate much higher than 128 bits/s. Don't believe me? Get a N760C and try if yourself.

But I guess you were right on the other limit. The N7xxx can only do mp3s encoded at 44.1KHz joint stereo. So far no one had told me that this problem exist in the new NRs.

RE: MP3 Capability
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 10:55:11 PM #
Does anyone know if low bit rates are supported, 24bit/22hz? I record news and Stern for my Commute. Due to size, they are 24bit/22hz. Its the only thing keeping me from Sonys integrated MP3 (T615 now). The 710 I used to have only went down to 32bit, a pain to re-encode.

BIG PROBLEM!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 1:17:20 PM #
There is ONE BIG HUGE REASON I WILL NOT BUY THE NR70.

Please, please remember that the Sony API for their 320x320 screens and now their 320x480 screens IS NOT the same API that OS 5 will use for future screens of those resoultions. Sony has STATED that they WILL use the Palm OS 5 APIs when they make Palm OS 5 handhelds.

Why is this a problem? Why would developers code a program for a 320x480 screen when they know that Sony will release a model with the same screen in a few months that will use a totally different API? That is a lot of effort for next to nothing. Now if they code their future applications for the OS 5 API then they know that any handheld with 320x320 (most all OS 5 units from all companies) and 320x480 etc. (Sony NV OS 5 type units) will run it.

I will not pay big $$$ only to have no one support it because the successor is on the way in months.

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
montyburns @ 5/1/2002 2:06:29 PM #
maybe psi will re use the sony apis in os 5? perhaps the psi and the sony apis are the same!

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
franklie @ 5/1/2002 2:08:59 PM #
Yes! The hires+ API support (or lack thereof) is my greatest fear. Specifically, my fear is that two of my indispensable programs will not even address the NR70... Datebk5 and Shadow Plan. Datebk5 was updated to accomodate OS 5.0, but I wonder if CESD will bother to address what (realistically) will be a small subset of Palm OS users. Same goes for Shadow. If the programs I use aren't going to be updated to take advantage of the screen, I can't justify the jump (and expense) for a keyboard and 16 megs. I really am looking for the reason to dump my N610, but I need to see more software take advantage of the hires+ (I had the same reservations with my Handera 330 and ultimately sent it back...) Comments? Reassurances?

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
Pentagonal @ 5/1/2002 2:26:43 PM #
They might support it if this thing sells as successfuly as some think it might. But given the time of year it's being released and the high price tag, I think it's mostly the geeks who are interested in it.

So yeah, it probably won't get much support.

Besides, Sony has never gone out of its way to assist third-party development of accessories and applications for their Clies. I don't really undersantd why, but that's just the way it it.

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 4:49:37 PM #
If the NR70 takes off, developers will not ignore it. Simple as that.

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 5:54:22 PM #
People who buy a unit like the NR70V (ie. the latest and greatest and most $$$) will quickly replace it with a similar OS 5 unit. Their won't be that many that make inroads. As soon as a genuine OS 5 API 320x320 or 320x480 unit arrives I'll buy it but until that time comes... forget it.
RE: BIG PROBLEM!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 5:56:02 PM #
PS: The developers of Launcher X which WILL support the Sony 320x320 screens had an intresting comment about the Sony API which was discussed at the PalmSource convention. Seems they (Sony) had to explain all the bugs and oddities in their API since it was a home grown deal and somewhat a bother to program for. The beauty of the new OS 5 screen API the way I understand it is that it makes it much easier and desirable to program for, even Sony admitted as much and will support it.
RE: BIG PROBLEM!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 6:15:11 PM #
Now what ? Another excuse to bash SONY ? API ? Launcher X is a joke , they NEVER make it to the market, don't just blame the APIs.
RE: BIG PROBLEM!
Timothy Rapson @ 5/1/2002 7:27:05 PM #
Don't care. I am 99% sure that WordSmith will support this models hi-res and that is most of what I care about.

I expect that many companies will find it not much trouble to do a version for QVGA OS4 and another for QVGA OS5. The real work would be in matching the pixels. In fact, I expect Sony will have a tool that will run all the calls for the old API through and out come the new calls for the new OS5 API. IT really should all be automatic once Palm has done the new APIs.

But, a picture viewer, word processor, DOC viewer are all I care about. The big 10 Palm applications will all do versions of their stuff for this new resollution if for no other reason than the fact that their programmers can all afford the best Palm OS PDA so they will want it to support their own PDA for demos.

I really would like a Bible reader that supports QVGA, but with two big software companies competing, on of them will do it just to get an edge. I don't play games so I suppose there may be a problem with companies that don't see enough volume of sales to support another version, but then again, some game coders will do it out of sheer vanity.

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 7:53:03 PM #
I hope some of you are aware that even OS5 won't have any native 320x480 support (Palm is sticking with the old-style graffiti area). It will only support screens of the same proportions as a 160x160 (aka square) screen. Sony will have to tweak the OS specifically for their machines yet again, which means even more custom APIs.

RE: BIG PROBLEM!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 8:05:32 PM #
Don't care too. SONY have the market and the developers will always have the right product for the CLIEs.
RE: BIG PROBLEM!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/4/2002 4:14:26 AM #
> I hope some of you are aware that even OS5 won't have any native 320x480 support

wasn't it multiples of 160px independently for each dimension? i understood it that way, i mean, 160*2=320 and 160*3=480, right? :)

CF70

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 2:33:56 PM #
Can your contact at Sony answer a question about the CF70 (Compact Flash sled) accessory? Will it accept an 802.11b wireless card?

Thanks.

RE: CF70
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 3:40:07 PM #
This accessory has been available in Japan for some time for both the T and NR series. The short answer is no. It will accept serial compact flash cards only -- so, modem cards should work, and various wireless cell cards available in Japan, but no ethernet, no 802.11, no memory.

So, maybe you can get an CDPD card to work, but that would be about it.

RE: CF70
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 3:42:36 PM #
Sure no problem let me ask him..


He says who knows

RE: CF70
LC @ 5/1/2002 6:06:54 PM #
Anyone know if a WiFi MS card is in the works or even feasible?


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RE: CF70
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 7:37:42 PM #
I once read that the smallest 802.11b card available in the market now is 4 times the size of a memory stick. So it will take some time before a memory stick 802.11b appears, if at all.

Besides there is the battery issue. 802.11b card eats battery like crazy. Maybe NR70 with a 802.11b Memory Stick card will run for 1-2 hours.

RE: CF70
TDS Computer @ 5/3/2002 1:01:13 AM #
An 802.11 Sled would probably be the best choice. Why not contact Xircom (Now owned by Intel) and ask them if they can produce some? Maybe if there is enough interest, they will! It is worth a shot.
(BTW, they make the sled for the Palm and the Springboard for the Visor)

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802.11 is not sutible for PDA's!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 10:26:50 AM #
As it stands, 802.11 is not - and will never be - sutible for PDA's. This is a physical, chemical problem.

People keep avoiding BlueTooth and wanting 802.11 support in their PDA. BlueTooth was created for a reason.

The truth is that modern batteries haven't changed much in the last 50 years - the last big change was in the 90's when lithium ion was introduced. 802.11 cards require massive amounts of battery power - the iPaQ's with 802.11 support require you to carry an extra battery back on the back.


802.11 is simply not going to be viable to use in PDA's any time soon and by the time battery power does reach the point where it is viable, we will have moved on from 802.11.

BLUETOOTH EXISTS FOR A REASON!

There are BlueTooth Memory Sticks, PCI Cards, PCMCIA Cards, SD Cards and base stations avalible and it's *cheaper* than an 802.11 solution.

People insiting on wanting to use 802.11 on their PDA are living in fantasy land and need to wake up to the fact that no, they need BlueTooth and tough luck that it's shorter range and that it means you can't have all your wireless devices on the same network.

What you want and what you got are not the same thing.

Am I going Retro with my NR70?

LC @ 5/1/2002 3:53:31 PM #
I was testing out how an MP3 sounded on the speaker of the NR70, and happened to glance at myself in the morror while holding the unit next to my ear.

FLASHBACK....

Remember the transistor radios that people would listen to holding them up to their ears (before headphones became popular)? That's the look I had going... now if I could just find a pair of bellbottom Docker Cyberpants I may start a trend! :)))


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Who's got the button?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 5:18:10 PM #
The app and up/down buttons have always been a weak spot on the Sony handhelds, and I note that the buttons on these models aren't even accessible in tablet mode. Are button-based games even playable on this unit?
RE: Who's got the button?
MacPrince @ 5/1/2002 8:40:12 PM #
Well, not in closed mode, certainly. When open, the hardware buttons seem a bit hard to use with your thumbs. Who knows? Maybe some enterprising developer geek will come up with a way to map keyboard buttons to the hardware buttons in games.

RE: Who's got the button?
mashoutposse @ 5/1/2002 9:24:31 PM #
The NR70 is very game-friendly in open mode (which, BTW, doesn't make the whole apparatus much taller since the keyboard area slides in between your wrists). You'll be surprised.

RE: Who's got the button?
wintermute @ 5/2/2002 8:25:40 PM #
I assmue i wont have a problem using it if I had one since i have big hands. BUT either way, it probably is uncomfortable because of how much longer it would be. With my m500 i can put my index fingers on the top part for a secure feel, but most likely with the NR70, its a different story.

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Landscape Mode?

franklie @ 5/1/2002 9:41:02 PM #
What are the chances it could be done on the NR70? No evidence of it yet.

played with it at datavision too

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:11:50 PM #
it is sturdy although i find it awkward typing on it with the keyboard. the screen seems so far from the keyboard compared to the comfortable blackberry. but it is pretty cool though i can tell you that.

question

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:33:56 PM #
will os 5 support virtual graffiti?
Anyone know any details if the new Sony Clie soon to announced will run OS 5?

Incredibly dissappointed with machine

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 10:35:53 PM #
I went to the Sony Store on Madison Ave in NYC today. First off, the 70 was dangling from one of those 'don't steal me' teathers and none of the staff seemed to care that it was nearly on the floor. Second when i got the machine, i was first impressed, but I am a full figure gal and I had difficulty using this puny keyboard. It felt terrible. The staff actually came over at that time, and said that Sony was coming out with a brand new series of Palms at the end of June and they were being incented to move these quickly. This was confusing because if they were incented then why did it take so long for someone to help me? Anyway that is beside the point. I got to thinking, this is a lot of money for an incremental increase in functionality. My day was ruined when the salesman agreed with me and then said, "Your fingers won't work on that keyboard anyway. Those Japanese have such tiny little fingers that this is great for them." What an outrage. I'd rather see those Best Buy/Circuit City droids anyday compared to the service at the Sony store. Sony, you should be ashamed for this behavior.
RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
big_raji @ 5/1/2002 10:44:37 PM #
Hrrrrm... I'm usually not a skeptic, but I have a real hard time believing your story.

Besides, Sony is unbelievably secretive when it comes to PDA product releases. Why would an unimportant Sony Store drone know about an upcoming release of a PDA? The manager of my local Sony Store didn't have any information about ANY PDAs until about 3 days before they arrived. I highly doubt that some salesperson has inside information.

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RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 11:20:14 PM #
I do believe the story is true. Their are strong signs of a new Clie in June, likely an OS 5 unit. Further it is common for fools that sell handhelds to rip on them, seen it a thousand times... I just ignore them and buy what I want.

That said if were the type of person that would buy a NR70V (ie. willing to pay big bucks for the bleeding edge) I would wait for OS 5. The people saying "but your NR70V will work fine even after OS 5 comes out" miss the point... people who will want an OS 5 machine are the same type of people who would buy a NR70V. If it were even 6 full months off I might do it but OS 5 is really right around the corner, and Sony will likely have the first unit.

RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/1/2002 11:34:11 PM #
story is bull...os 5 WILL NOT BE released in june...any clies with a US june release date would prolly be hittin the japanese markets by now...if something does come out, it would be the T415 with more ram and an improved screen...ive been to the sonystyle store on 5th ave...I DOUBT they would have anything, expecially a $600 PDA dangling on a tether about to hit the floor...sorry...dont buy it.
RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 12:28:59 AM #
But what exactly are we buying tho'? in term of functionalities. $600 bucks is a lot of money for a computer, specially if in 6 months it won't be able to run the more interesting softwrae written for OS5.0.

But than again it makes a very stylish mp3 player/Palm large screen and shiny metallic body and all.

RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
Beavis @ 5/2/2002 7:39:15 AM #
"Their are strong signs of a new Clie in June, likely an OS 5 unit."

What strong signs? A rumor that was posted here a couple of weeks ago? Even that rumor never stated that it would be OS 5, only a bunch of Buttheads that like to read their own posts speculated that it would be OS 5.

The general impression I got was that IF a new handheld was coming from Sony in June, it would be a replacement for the T6xx series that would have a 66 Mhz processor, and hires+ screen. Afterall, the T6xx series will be 5 months old in June. Ancient by Sony standards.

RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 10:17:40 AM #
>those Japanese have such tiny little fingers that this is great for them

You SUN OF B***H , racialist , all PDA thumbpad keyboards are that samll , idiot !

RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 10:45:03 AM #
Another comment from someone who totally failed to UNDERSTAND what he had read. The person writing the comment didn't say that. The salesperson at the Sony Store did. The person making this comment was just as offended at you are, which she clearly said in her comment. What did you think the "What an outrage." applied to?

Some of you should go back to you High School and demand your money back. That is if you have even gone to High School yet. If you haven't, try to keep quiet and you'll look less silly while the adults are talking.

RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 12:50:51 PM #
People actually believe this story? El-oh-el.
RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 3:25:06 PM #
Something is probably going on. In Europe, where I live, the NR-series is not announced and the T625 supply seems to "suddenly" have dried up...

Unless an unheard of earthquake demolished a production line somewhere, this means they're making way for some replacement.

/ulven

RE: Incredibly dissappointed with machine
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/4/2002 10:49:28 PM #
A new model in June? I suppose that means another tidal wave of CLIE hype. Can't wait.

Just remember the T415, people. Lots of gizmos, lots of hype, but with serious problems ... sank without trace within a few months, leaving lots of consumers burned by the whole experience.

Stowaway?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 1:28:46 AM #
Has anyone heard if Targas is/will be making a Stowaway keyboard for the NR70? I know the wireless one is suppose to be out sometime in the near future (http://www.pockettopinc.com/index.html) but I know and love the Stowaway...
RE: Stowaway?
Ed @ 5/2/2002 10:51:04 AM #
Think Outside told me a few months ago they planned to release a version of the Stowaway for the T series sometime before the end of June. The NR series uses the same HotSync port so, hopefully, they will be compatible.

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RE: Stowaway?
TDS Computer @ 5/3/2002 1:06:00 AM #
That would look kind of silly... A keyboard for your PDA with a built in keyboard! You could get twice the typing done! I agree, though, nothing comes close to a Stowaway for a PDA.

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What to do?

NewtoPDA @ 5/2/2002 6:32:43 AM #
Please forgive if I ask any ignorant questions here. I'm new to this.

OK, I've just read most of the current postings and I feel it might be better to wait till a reasonable version of OS5 or higher comes along before shelling out big$$$. On the other I need 2 PDA's now and I don't currently own even one.

Here are my concerns. I would like ease of handling database, email, and maybe be able to browse as well (one web site said NR70V does browse and email, another said no. Which is true?) Ease of backing up with laptop is another concern. And finally ease of transfering all stored data to new PDA in one year or whenever. I assume there should be no problem moving data from any OS4 to 5 or 6, but I don't know.

If I buy some older model (used or new) can I fill these needs and if so I would love to hear any opinions on what to go for to get most bang for buck right now. Thanks from a newbie and hope this will help others as well.

Knowledge has organizing power.

RE: What to do?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 7:53:02 AM #
Hi there,
If you are in need of 2 PDA's badly right now, I suggest get the older models most of them will meet your needs easily, except maybe web browsing.
For that reason, if you really want it, you might wanna consider m515, since it is color and from Palm.

Backing up data or handling emails is also quite easy with laptops (you will want to use 3rd party software for better functionality)

RE: What to do?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 8:09:18 AM #
I'd say, go for one of the outgoing models. As a newbie, you won't have so much requirements for memory as a veteran user. Pick m105 or a visor or Sony model. If you need color, go for m130. That really does have a lot of bang for the buck
RE: What to do?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 8:28:37 AM #
Thanks for advice, but it seems that neither of those have browsing capability and yet are still somewhat pricey.

The Handspring TREO 180 PDA Phone at $299 or less new (and maybe much less used) seems interesting, though only gray scale (no problem for me) and Palm OS 3.5.2H may be too old. Any comments?

What third party software (free or not too costly) do you recommend for database management?

RE: What to do?
1 @ 5/2/2002 8:40:28 AM #
Oops, it seems that the cheapest of the above mentioned (m105) does have browsing while the others don't.

Curiouser and curiouser.

RE: What to do?
Isaiahp @ 5/2/2002 8:53:06 AM #
Go with the VIIx. Grayscale, 8mb, a cheap pricing plan and wireless e-mail. Limited web-browsing, but for under $200, you can't beat it. And it uses all of the old peripherals that are on sale or clearance now :-)

I've been using mine for over a year and I am very happy with it. I laugh at the 705, HAH!

So check it out, you won't be sorry.

RE: What to do?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 11:17:34 AM #
(from the first reply-er)

Or even Palm Vx will do now cheap and still stylish.
(you really dont want to use a PDA for web browsing right now connection is slow, you need to buy add-ons, screen is small...etc. It looks fancy, but not practical. For email is okay.)

Go to Palmgear.com, check out the Top charts,
read the reviews you can try them out first before paying.


RE: What to do?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 5:37:29 PM #
My suggestion would be to buy Kyocera Smartphone. I had Palm Vx, Clie T415, T615, but ended up selling them all after I learned that I can have the Smartphone for less than $100 at Sprint PCS after discounting the rebate. I could browse the web and get e-mails without the expensive monthly fee. All I pay is my usual cell phone charges plus $5 extra for wireless web service. I am gonna use this until clie becomes all-in-one unit.

RE: What to do?
NewtoPDA @ 5/2/2002 8:14:19 PM #
Kyocera 6035 (Sprint PCS) sounds like the way to go for me, for now as I do need mobile phone and account as well. Thanks.

Knowledge has organizing power.

migrating to sony

PIC mobile user @ 5/2/2002 11:32:41 AM #
i am a handspring edge user. i read sony has some proprietary palm os changes - wil my existing desktop & data transfer to sony?
RE: migrating to sony
popko @ 5/2/2002 12:41:58 PM #
AFAIK, existing data form the build-in apps should migrate without problem. However, 3rd party apps are totally different story.

RE: migrating to sony
Kaitou @ 5/2/2002 2:04:20 PM #
If a third party app was not Visor specific (springboard tool controller) and worked on PalmOS4 it will work on the Sony. If however it is not PalmOS compatible, it will not work on the Sony.
I am not sure why people are having this problem. it is still a PalmOS device, upgrading to it is the same procedure as upgrading to any other palm os pda.

Modem Add-On?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 1:24:40 PM #
Why has Sony ignored the need for a modem on these Sony Clie models? Even on the low end Clie' offers a modem. Sony wake up and produce a modem. How else can I do Instant Messaging and AOL Mail?
RE: Modem Add-On?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 2:13:27 PM #
Get your self a Psion/Mako IR Travel modem - just got mine this week and it is my best PDA related purchase.

I will never(lol) have to buy another modem, even if I were to change platforms.

IF you want more info let me know.

al

RE: Modem Add-On?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 3:08:48 PM #
Thank you for sharing your solution. Awesome idea. :-)
RE: Modem Add-On?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 5:05:14 PM #
The Psion IR travel modem works with the Sony?

Interesting. I'd still like a wireless modem though.

RE: Modem Add-On?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 5:53:30 PM #
I'd like more info on where to get one of these modems.
RE: Modem Add-On?
dokall @ 5/3/2002 10:53:12 AM #
sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

I ordered mine from the US (I am in Canda) - I was fortunate to get a used one that works perfectly for $55 US plus shipping.

The sell for approx $150 US (I have seen a Canadian website listing the for $250 CAD!).

The Psion website US has the info on the modem, but had none in stock lastweek - they seem to be in big demand with little supply - there are a few on ebay that you can usually get for $80-90 US.

I use mine with my T615c and just this morning tried it with the old Palm III (my wife uses this one sometimes!) and it worked a charm on OS 3.3.

It runs on 2aa battaries and makes a solid connection that seems to be more consistent than what I was getting with my Palm Modem for my M505 (long gone now!)

The nice thing is that once you make the IR connection to yoour ISP you can download your email - pull the clie/palm away and reply etc. without losing the connection - just plunk it back down and it send and away it goes.

This thing really is a great solution - and I gurantee you that it does work.

It is as easy as setting up the Palm modem etc - just an ir connection instead of palm modem.

I still have not found any of the info on cables that allow you to attach to a GSM phone.

Anyway - just rambling

Ed - if you have not covered the Psion IR travel modem yet I am willing to write a review over the next week as I spend some more time with it over the weekend - for battery life etc. - wont be technical but will cover setup and pics of the unit working with my clie - let me know.

Take it easy - Al from Canada

Sony rules--get a life!

newsguy @ 5/2/2002 11:53:11 PM #
I love this Sony rules stuff...clearly someone who has never dealt with their "customer support...better titled customer abuse. I really love my 760, but doubt if I will ever purchase any type of Sony product again. It's not that their customer support is bad...it seems to be specifically designed to make it as tough as possible to return defective products. I purchased a travel kit directly from the SonyStyle page and the charger didn't work out of the box. By the time I spent 20 minutes on the phone writing all the specific hoops to jump through to return their failed charger...I was laughing...unbelievable. This experience has soured me on everything Sony. I just purchased a laptop...assumed it would be a Sony...until I dealt with their customer service. They have their rules and I have mine--I don't buy products from companies who practice punitive customer service regardless of the quality or features of their products. You want to make your vote count? Don't buy their products. No one to blame but myself...I saw this same type of postings on the web before I purchased, and I bought Sony anyway. Don't make my mistake.

RE: Sony rules--get a life!
TDS Computer @ 5/3/2002 1:11:12 AM #
YOu have a valid point. I won't get to deep into the specifics here, but I have been waiting on getting a customers CLie 760 serviced for over a month. When I finally got the estimate, it was over $500!!! ($199.00 part + another $199 part + Labor & Shipping). I faxed them back ASAP, and now I have waited another two weeks to get the unrepaired unit back. All of this after Sony support lost my credit card number twice! (We put it in the wrong place in the computer...)
The staff was very friendly and helpful, it is just that nothing gets done... I was disappointed with the service.

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RE: Sony rules--get a life!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/4/2002 3:35:51 PM #
I ordered 2 CTO's Sony Vaio Laptops. I changed my mind on one option, called and cancelled, and reordered it. No problems with Customer support.I had no complaints or problems with the Vaio on Delivery. It came exactly as ordered. It came FEDEX, exactly 10 days later. I returned the other one for a bad pixel. A total of 5-minutes for a RMA and got I my credit back on the next 2-billing cycles. Maybe you just had a very bad Salesperson that day. My suggestion is order on-line.

One last thing, no restocking fee with SonyStyle.

Try all this this with Dell.

Peripherals like folding keyboard?

PIC mobile user @ 5/3/2002 12:25:03 PM #
Ed: could you include comments regarding the availability of peripherals? I'm mostly interested in the popular folding keyboard from Think Outside. Also if possible, tell us about the connector type it uses (I'll bet it's not Palm's Universal Connector)

Thanks,
Felipe Cardona
Bogotá, Colombia

not worth it

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 9:22:50 PM #
I tried it out and was underwhelmed. Camera resolution is too low to be really useful for anything, the device is pretty big, and there is little software out for it. I'm going to wait until Sony gets serious and comes out with an ARM version and a 1MPixel camera, at roughly the same price.
RE: not worth it
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/3/2002 9:43:44 PM #
You are probably right.

I can't help thinking that purchasers of these units will be just beta testers for the OS5 version (which should only be a few months away). And you have to pay $500 for the privilege. I've heard of the "bleeding edge", but this is taking it a bit too far!

CLIE doesn't seem to show much respect for its loyal fans, does it?

RE: not worth it
dúnadan @ 5/3/2002 10:33:40 PM #
Whenever people ask me whether to buy a PDA now or wait for something better (and folks ask me often... I am the resident PDA geek at work/school), I always say "The next better thing is always gonna be coming soon, so just buy what you like now." However, this is one case where I do think it is better to wait. This NR-series seems to be rushed the same way that the N710 was rushed (to compete with the m505). The main difference is that the N710 was easily upgradable to OS4, whereas the current NRs can never be upgraded to OS5. Sure people are saying that the current NRs incorporate the good features of OS5, but how do they know that? Even the launcher icons are different. The "OS5" version of the current 70V may have a built-in camera capable of 320x480 pics. Even that would be worth waiting for IMO. I thought about buying it with the Best Buy performance plan with plans to exchange it later for an OS5 CLIE, but that boils down to fraud any way one looks at it. The only people I would recommend these NRs to are those that have enough money to buy both this PDA and another one (for about the same cost) in a couple of months.

*d

www.CLIEsource.com

RE: not worth it
dúnadan @ 5/4/2002 2:42:30 AM #
I'd just like to add that if I wasn't going to wait for a while (currently using an m515 and a T615), the NR-70V definitely strikes me as the best PDA out there for my needs (except for the battery life - even if it is marginally better than the T615, that's not good enough for me).

www.CLIEsource.com

Alarm loudness, large app speed

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/4/2002 12:29:05 PM #
How loud is the alarm, esp when folded?

Anyone try "large" apps, such as large medical or english dictionaries, and can speak to how quickly you can, for ex, read something in AvantGo and switch to a dictionary?

Thanks

RE: Alarm loudness, large app speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2002 3:23:16 PM #
The speaker is on the back of the unit, so folding it doesn't affect it. And it's plenty loud, and of high quality. (I leave mine face down when I sleep, but it still wakes me up easily.)

NR70V color icon Graffiti skin

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/6/2002 12:56:11 AM #
http://www.imagestation.jp/jp/PC/view.do/20299592-0.jpg

http://home.pchome.com.tw/cool/chehui/palmislife/color_xp_gra_PIL.zip

http://www.PALMisLIFE.com/Files/PIL/color_xp_gra_PIL.zip

http://www.palmislife.com/cgi-bin/ut/topic_show.cgi?id=3760

The webmaster of PALMisLIFE (Taiwan) has changed the skin of NR70V (Japanese Edition) if you want to install it, download, synchronize, and then reset.
If you want to remove it, just safereset, but the zip is just for Japanese NR70V.

NR-70V (Jap Version) with an English O/S Comp.

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 1:46:10 PM #
Hi,

I'm considering to purchase a NR-70V, Japanese version, but can the PDA work with an English version of Windows (ie. hotsync, reinstallation of the Japanese OS). Also, with the Japanese version, is the O/S included with the PDA? Thanks...btw, as you can tell, I've never owned a PDA before.

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