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Vidal Graupera, CEO of iambic, Inc., has just released a statement that says his company is relinquishing ownership of the web domains it recently registered with a rival product's name. The company asked Register.com to unregister the domains yesterday. The CEO goes on to apologize for ever registering them and promises to reconsider his company's marketing methods.
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good

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:45:49 PM #
< EOM >
RE: good
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:19:18 PM #
apology accepted. that was all it took to shut me up, and i've been one of the more vocal about this. thank you.
Not good enough
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:26:27 AM #
Yeah, right. iambic's still a bad boy: they've purchased Adwords Select in Google for trademarks of several of its competitors, including Datebk4, Datebk5, Quicksheet, Documents To Go, and MiniCalc. This is certainly against Google's policy, and smells of a concerted marketing effort rather than "one man's mistake".
RE: good
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 10:00:08 AM #
How many times are you going to post this same comment over and over? I count five times you posted it onto this page. To have a protest, you need more than one person.

Now that we got what we wanted, the people who are still protesting are going to find a lot less support. It's like that one guy at party who's still dancing while everyone else has their coats on and is saying goodnight.

It's over. The good guys won, the bad guys lost.

RE: good
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 6:01:32 PM #
Yes, while purchasing ads on google might seem similar, I really don't see it that way at all, not really any less than adding "datebook" to the name to get people to think it's Datebk4. A person searching for one of those other products would still find them, what's so bad about an ad showing them an alternative product as well? It's not like the domains where the intent seemed to be to keep them from knowing about the other product completely.

People make mistakes.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:46:57 PM #
Hawk! )
RE: People make mistakes.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:50:49 PM #
Yes, people make mistakes but most would have admitted it the first day. Iambic is just finally now giving it after a ton of pressure from users, in hopes this will restore their image. I don't know about anyone else, but their image is tarnished beyond any repair for quite some time in my book.
RE: People make mistakes.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 5:41:46 PM #

Agreed,

I'll never patronise Iambic again. Damage is done, apology or no apology.

It was a slimy move in which they deserve to get flamed for.

RE: People make mistakes.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 5:57:52 PM #
Sure, just ask OJ and Bobby Blake.
RE: People make mistakes.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 10:40:51 PM #
This apology on day 1 would have made things right IMHO. Instead they put out that bogus press release with more lies in it. When that failed to satisfy anyone with 3 working braincells, they come out with this. No good. They have blown it.
And people lie. . .
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 4:32:53 AM #
If only this statement from Iambic weren't in direct conflict with its previous statement. . .

Sorry, I'm not buying it. Iambic is apologizing because it realized that this might actually hurt their bottom line. It previously defended the action, banned users from their discussion area for mentioning it, and blamed the whole thing on a misunderstanding. Perhaps when they examine their marketing practices they will discover that their customers (and former customers) are more ethical than they are and that there is a consequence to their actions.

Liars
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:29:09 AM #
Iambic are LIARS. Sure, they apologized for this URL thing, but what about the issue of Iambic purchasing Adwords Select in Google for the words "Quicksheet", "Documents to Go", "MiniCalc" not to mention "DateBk4" and "DateBk5".
RE: People make mistakes.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:54:15 AM #
He did say, "we are currently reviewing our marketing methods". Not a promise but after this stink I doubt they'll do it any more.

Do you still use Google? It sold these names to iambic. Complaining about one without complaining about the other is hypocrisy. If you are going to boycott iambic, you have to boycott Google. The whole idea of selling search results is on pretty weak ethical grounds.

And what about Register.com? They registered a trademarked name to a company that didn't own that trademark. How ethical was that?

google doesn
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 11:17:00 AM #
google does not sell search results on google.com (some people that license google tech apparently want the functionality)
google doesn't sell search results (continued)
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 11:18:12 AM #
right. anyway, google doesn't sell search results on google.com. Some licensees apparently want this functionality, but on google.com the only thing you can buy is ads that appear on the same page as the search results, clearly marked off from the actual results by color and text. See http://www.google.com/ads/ . The fact that they don't sell search placement is one of the main reasons I love google. If they tried to restrict who could buy appearances on what keywords, they would create a management and sales nightmare for themselves and completely blow the easy-to-use automated ad-buying and performance monitoring service they now have.

Yeah, Sorry.....Sorry for getting caught!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:51:01 PM #
Sneaky AND Dumb are not a good mix!!!
RE: Yeah, Sorry.....Sorry for getting caught!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:21:01 PM #
Oh and since we appologised people will forget and we'll get some free publicity out of this(like we planned?).

Finally...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:47:30 PM #
They've finally realized that the damage they're causing to their ethical reputations among the close-knit Palm community (I mean we all frequent the same gossipy boards) far outweighs any sort of marketing benefit they might have gained from squatting on those domain names.

Mistake made, damage done, but no further damage due to quick rectification. I applaud this move by the CEO.

In any case, I think AND's simplicity had already drawn plenty of old Datebk 3 users over. They didn't need to resort to this.

RE: Finally...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:52:47 PM #
Quick rectification???! I would hardly call this quick. They should have apologized the first day.
RE: Finally...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:55:00 PM #
That's silly, what you mean to say is that they should never have done this in the first place!

After the space of a week's furore among Palm users and numerous petitions they finally came to their senses. I think it could've been sooner, sure, but the point is that they did an about-turn.

RE: Finally...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:58:29 PM #
Well, yeah, they should never have done it in the first place, but if they had immediately come forward and admitted to wrongdoing and relinqished the domains, I would have forgiven the slip. As I see it though, they only did an about-turn because of the huge outcry, and realizing how much business they were losing, not from any true feeling of remorse. And how about an apology for trying to silence users on their Forum and on their list? How about an apology for trying to tell us that the domains were just an abbreviation of the word Datebook?? Sorry, I am glad they at least did this, but I am not about to forgive or forget their actions.
RE: Finally...
chsong @ 5/10/2002 3:20:20 PM #
It wasn't just honest mistake. What about the forum incidents? Removing negative articles.

Damage has been done.
They backed out their original position since they are not as big as like Microsoft, a giant company who could afford the whole world's bashing.

if you lose customers like this, you will lose a whole lot in this small Palm community.

Do do they think they are, Microsoft?

Yay!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 1:53:11 PM #
Everyone to whom I've recounted the tale of the last couple of days has been impressed by the integrity of the Palm community. It is good to see Iambic rejoining that crowd.

Dryden

RE: Yay!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:09:09 PM #
Only because they had to. I would believe it if they had acknowledge their mistake immediately but this crap about the "vocal minority", the supression of folks who spoke up and the denial that they made a mistake at just too much.

I for one will not deal with this company, EVER.

RE: Yay!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:12:11 PM #
The you - for one - will probably end up using a less capable program.
RE: Yay!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:19:47 PM #
Even if that were true (which I don't agree with) I would rather do that than deal with a company that screws it's customers like Iambic did.

How dare they suspend forum rights of REGISTERED customers because they spoke up about this? If a registered customer of Iambic's products was outraged by this then obviously it was pretty bad.

Letting companies get away with crap like this means that others will do the same. We should not lie down and take this.

RE: Yay!
Pentagonal @ 5/10/2002 2:31:50 PM #
The honesty and reliability of the app designer is an important component of the capability of the product. I agree with those who say that this is an important step forward but it will not erase the numerous offenses they have committed in the last week.

Duh.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 4:13:27 PM #
If you're not ever going to use an Iambic product because of this, then you probably ought to stop using Windows/ Office/ Outlook as well. They actually have litigation in process against them (MS) for unfair business practices. BTW, Palm has unfairly infringed on Xerox as well, so you might as well go back to a pencil and paper so you can sleep with a pure soul. Don't shop at Wal-Mart because they exploit poor workers. Don't eat at Denny's. Don't buy Firestones or Fords. Don't buy anything from Japan because they brought us the Pearl Harbor tragedy. You might as well crawl into a hole and pull the dirt back in over your head.
RE: Yay!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 8:12:59 PM #
Alright, I won't. (In case you haven't noticed, many MS customers DO despise the company--but that's because they're the only game in town: we resent how they got there and we resent how they use their position to produce mediocre products, but we have little in the way of alternatives that are widespread standards. How many Soviets loved Stalin? But what choice did they have?) As for the others, I don't think Palm did it deliberately and their appeal will be overturned, and I don't like WalMart or Ford or whatever else you mentioned. Meanwhile, you can be content with your cheap crap and leave us alone.

Unfortunately, part of what you are saying is true: there are a lot of shifty businesses out there, and since there are so many, it is hard--impossible, even--to keep up with whom to avoid. But every now and then someone does something memorable, and since I am a Palm enthusiast, Iambic has earned that dubious distinction for me.

RE: Yay!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 8:22:13 PM #
I wrote the last post. Your Japan example doesn't count. They have re-earned their trust. Iambic can do the same, but it will take time and effort.

Good Work Palmers- now let's move on

MadMax @ 5/10/2002 1:49:12 PM #
This was definitely a bad idea from start. I'm not going to try to dissect what it "really means for the Palm Community". It was just a dumb idea.
Now let's move on to what we're WE are about. We're Palm enthusiasts. We live Palm we love Palm! (most of the time).
Iambic makes great software. Pimlico makes great software. The fact is:
WE HAVE A CHOICE! Let's not do things that could change that.

The Road Warrior

RE: Good Work Palmers- now let's move on
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:35:30 PM #
"We live Palm?" Are you kidding? I'm a Palm user, and I like to keep up with the latest goings-on, but sheesh! Get a Life!
RE: Good Work Palmers- now let's move on
MadMax @ 5/10/2002 9:25:42 PM #
Dude, you're here? You live it!

RE: Good Work Palmers- now let's move on
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 8:55:01 PM #
I think it's possible to visit PIC periodically without categorically "living Palm." Saying that every PIC visitor "lives Palm" is like saying that everyone who attends a showing of Star Wars next week is a "Star Wars fanatic." Don't project your lifeless geekiness on the rest of us, please.
RE: Good Work Palmers- now let's move on
Quik_Fix @ 5/11/2002 11:14:26 PM #
I'm a geek. I live palm... -)

...In accordance with the prophecy...

Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com

Pious, Holy Palmers

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:22:36 PM #
This just goes to show you that Palm users are much more pious than PPC users.
RE: Pious, Holy Palmers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:27:13 PM #
And that's bad, why?

A.M.

RE: Pious, Holy Palmers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:39:24 PM #
self-righteous, holier-than-thou maybe????
RE: Pious, Holy Palmers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:43:14 PM #
Just so I get this straight, it's OK for a company to mislead it's potential customers? It's OK for a company to tread of the rights of the people who purchased their product?

Am I reading this right?

This had nothing to do with "Holier Than Thou". This was punishing a company for doing something stupid/immoral and that having the arrogance to deny that it was stupid/immoral.

A.M.

RE: Pious, Holy Palmers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:47:48 PM #
Lost my links.
How do I find Laridian, and Olive Tree software again.
Why do I post here you Pagans dont even know what kind if software they carry.

At least You arent PPC users. I know why color pictures are so important to them on a PDA. They need to have smut wherever they go 24/7. How dare one of their kind post on this board.

RE: Pious, Holy Palmers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 8:47:39 PM #
Hey guys, keep it to the subject. Nobody wants to hear anyone else preach, especially if you serve to embarass your own religion. Please take this discussion elsewhere if you must continue it. While I'm sure there may be merit somewhere in the discussion (real or perceived), it doesn't belong here.

Thanks.

RE: Pious, Holy Palmers
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 10:53:33 PM #
Ok, holy Palmers. There must be Heaven and Hell, so where is Iambic going to?

So long and thanks for all the fish...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:24:46 PM #
Okay kids, game's over, go home.
RE: So long and thanks for all the fish...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:29:44 PM #
Yes, that's what Iambic would like us to do, just forget about it. I personally will be putting up the story on my Palm website so visitors will always know not to deal with this company.
RE: So long and thanks for all the fish...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:41:14 PM #
Lets forget everything wrong that has happened only so that we may allow it to happen again! Good philosophy, very ignorant, but good.
RE: So long and thanks for all the fish...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:15:21 PM #
Just started reading the book. Finnished Hitchhiker's Guide yesterday! Great stuff! Sorry, a little off topic...

Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:38:17 PM #
One marketing person made a mistake. Let's not assume that the whole company was behind this. To do so creates a Pseudo-Andersen situation, where the whole company is ruined for a small portion's mistake. (See goverment prosecution of Andersen).
RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:44:28 PM #
A corporation in America is treated as a person and has all the rights that people do, if not more. This happend in the late 1800's or early 1900's. Whether or not this is one marketing person or the entire company does not matter. If I stole your jacket would you blame just my hands? Come on, wake up.
RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:46:24 PM #
Um, since the PRESIDENT of the company made the official statement that it was not a mistake I don't think your statement is valid.

If they had thought about it the first thing out of Iambic's mouth would have been "Oops! We screwed up".

But since the PRESIDENT of the company defended the actions, and then their PR guy did the same, it does not matter how the "mistake" happened.

It was not acknowledged immediately as a mistake and they made attemps to cover it up within the OWN on-line forum and the YahooGroups ActionNames discussion group.

This was not a simple mistake by some guy in marketing.

A.M.

RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:53:05 PM #
The company had to have known something or else why would it be erasing commentary on the situation?
RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:58:40 PM #
And do you believe it was one person who was behind all of their deception including this quote I took from the brighthand.com site:

It appears that iambic may have devised a more elaborate plan to market its software than simply registering and redirecting a few domain names. Iambic also purchased Adwords Select in Google's popular search engine for trademarks of several of its competitors, including "quicksheet" (a trademark of Cutting Edge Software), Documents To Go (a trademark of DataViz), and MiniCalc (a trademark of Solutions in Hand).

RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 6:12:55 PM #
RecapFact: Iambic registered at least two different Domain Names,had them linked to their own software products. The domain names in question had no close connection to the Iambic software (Action Names).
This kind of Domain purchase is commonly called cybersqatting, and while not illegal shows a commitment to taking advantage of the ignorance of potential customers.

Recap Fact: A number of visitors to sites where Palm products are discussed, such as PIC, posted their disgust at the cybersqatting carried out by Iambic. Criticism on forums controlled by Iambic were removed.
That kind of behaviour is commonly called censorship, and while not illegal does show a commitment by Iambic to silence its critics in a manner calculated to show potential customers only the “good news” about its products.

Recap Fact: Iambic at first defended their Cybersqatting, and has now made remarks of an apologetic nature and have taken steps to release the domain names.
This kind of apology should be enough to placate the community of Palm users who were righteously indignant that they should be treated with such disdain by Iambic, whose software by all accounts is a good product.

For myself, this apology reeks, not because I think it insincere, but because it stands in such unremarkable contrast to the defense they made of their actions.
They tarnished themselves with little regard for the community of registered users on their forums, their competitors or the relative worth of their own product.
It will be some time before I forgive them.

RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 7:45:29 PM #
Amen to that
RE: Good - end of story.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 9:46:14 PM #
>This kind of Domain purchase is commonly called
>cybersqatting, and while not illegal shows a
>commitment to taking advantage of the ignorance
>of potential customers.

Cybersquatting *IS* illegal. How many times do people have to say this before anyone listens?

Do a simple search on the Internet for the AntiCybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (ACPA) of 1999 and you will quickly discover that it was created specifically to cover cases such as this. Iambic *HAD* to apologize and release the domain names or risk fines of $100,000 or more.

RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 10:53:31 PM #
Cybersquatting is illegal, but the question to which I dont have an answer is wether or not Datebk4 or Datebk5 are trademarked.
If they are not then the actions taken by Iambic are not illegal.

RE: Good - end of story. Don't vilify the whole company.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 11:14:27 PM #
Not entirely true. A mark that is established in a market does not have to be registered to be afforded some protection. Registered is better, but that does mean just because the names were not registered, that this would not be illegal.
company?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 12:22:32 AM #
its probably just one person

CEO/programmer/techsupport

Vidal Graupera didn't apologize

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 2:50:44 PM #
He made lame excuses. Screw him and screw Iambic.
RE: Vidal Graupera didn't apologize
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:20:03 PM #
Huh? The first five words of his statement were "I would like to APOLOGIZE".

I think that counts as saying you are sorry. Iambic may have upset people and done something stupid. But they seem to have learned, and as an NR70 user, they do make good software for HiRes+.

Thanks to Vidal. Time to move on.

RE: Vidal Graupera didn't apologize
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:39:45 PM #
'I would like to offer an apology'-- is different than 'I apologize'. I would often 'like' to give people a piece of my mind, but I don't -- I am prevented by courtesy. So what's preventing him from offering a straightforward blunt apology?
'for offending people' -- So they 'would like to apologize' that we are offended? Huh? Not that they did something wrong?
'This practice was not in keeping with our standards' -- Doesn't this just beg the question - precisely, what are their business standards?
Pathetic.
RE: Vidal Graupera didn't apologize
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:47:20 PM #
I don't know how you can possibly come to the conclusion that they have "learned". Sure, they've learned that they can't just "slip" everything past the palm community and expect to get away with it. But have they learned to behave ethically from now on? Only time will tell. Are their support Forums unmoderated again?
RE: Vidal Graupera didn't apologize
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 10:58:53 PM #
Why isn´t Graupera´s apologize at Iambic Web Site?

what does

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:01:50 PM #
He states:

".....Iambic is looking forward to getting back to the business of making excellent software and regaining the customer satisfaction we've enjoyed for nearly a decade."

Does this mean they are prepared to acknowledge the bugs in Alltime Reporter and provide support, instead of dismissing reproducable bugs as user error?

RE: what does
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:33:24 PM #
No.

Don't Kill Iambic

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:02:08 PM #
I agree with a poster buried above... -) While I do love DateBk4/5, and do condemn Iambic's mistake, I would much rather Steward Dewar have some competition rather than having us all stop buying iambic products. Whether you think the apology was genuine or not, be content with the fact that the domains are gone, and leave them alone. :-) Competition among many developers is what has made PalmOS great. Thanks.
RE: Don't Kill Iambic
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 11:01:24 PM #
Yep. Now that it's all over, Pimlico and iambic can go back to what they do best: producing version after version of complex, feature-bloated software.

If they spent as much time ironing out bugs and improving the UI as they do on adding increasingly useless features, perhaps they might produce software worth installing.

darn

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:16:59 PM #
Thanks iambic, for showing us real business practices..

Take note, this was an excellent move in heading off the competition and generating second look interest in your products.

Where's the apology ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:17:40 PM #
While Iambic may have released a "statement", I don't see them posting the apology on their website. If they are truly sincere about their apology, shouldn't they have posted it up ON THEIR WEBSITE ?

They not only carried out unethical business practices towards CESD & DateBk, but also to Palm users in general when they banned users and deleted postings in their forums. They should immediately "unban" everyone and put up an apology on their website.

RE: Where's the apology ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:34:32 PM #
I think they still cling to the notion that those who participated in this headhunt were only a fringe of the Palm community who use message boards such as this one. They don't want to scare off the innocent first-time consumer who happens to waltz into their website.

But I think it's just another sneaky ploy that will bite them in the butt because word will get out here and there and when people go directly to their website and see no public acknowledgement of their error, it will make potential customers skittish.

RE: Where's the apology ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 8:16:10 PM #
RE: Where's the apology ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 1:12:58 AM #
It was posted on the Action Names Yahoo group too by Vidal Graupera.

Vidal Graupera -- Change your ways.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 3:51:40 PM #
Why didn't you give the domains to Pimlico instead of unregistering them? Why haven't you taken the Google ads down? Why did you change the name of Action Names to Action Names Datebook? Why did you personally delete all those posts on your forums? Why did you ban your own customers from their support forums because they questioned your ethics? Be a man ---give us an honest apology and then change your ways.
RE: Vidal Graupera -- Change your ways.
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 1:22:07 PM #
He has the all the right of unregistering the domain names and not giving it out to Plimco. And this person who keeps posting a message about Iambic buying the ad right on some other products in google.com should really check with google and not just posting stupid remarks here. Just did a search on the keywords as he suggested and got no ads coming out from iambic on that keywords at all.

hmmm, but will Pimlico register them

nategall @ 5/10/2002 4:03:42 PM #
if they don't, I will and point them back at iambic. Either that or point them to porn. :)

nategall says "blah!"
RE: hmmm, but will Pimlico register them
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 4:13:36 PM #
You're a class act! Perhaps you would like to work for Iambic?
RE: hmmm, but will Pimlico register them
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 4:50:28 PM #
OH YES! That would be so SWEET! Point them to porn...that would be the BEST ending to this story...
RE: hmmm, but will Pimlico register them
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 6:27:35 PM #
I'm sure CESD will register them as soon as he can...just checked and they still indicate they are registered...gotta give him some time.
RE: hmmm, but will Pimlico register them
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 9:56:10 PM #
>if they don't, I will and point them back at
>iambic. Either that or point them to porn. :)
>
>nategall says "blah!"

If this is true and not just huff from a whiney twit, nategall will quickly also find himself saying hello to a $100,000 fine for violating the anticybersquatting law.

Couldn't happen to a finer gent.

RE: hmmm, but will Pimlico register them
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:17:18 PM #
Oh, please shut up!

1.) This law is easily challenged.
2.) This law is rarely (translated: next to never) enforced.
3.) What kind of twit would destroy his business going after some no-name who decided to register a site to porn. It would just bring no attention to it. Hence you don't see the White House (www.whitehouse.gov) sueing or attempting to impose a fine on the porn site bearing their name (www.whitehouse.com).

You put too much faith in useless laws and decrees that don't pass the practicality test and will fail to stand the test of time.

Very little, very late

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 4:49:54 PM #
Nuf said.

JBH

RE: Very little, very late
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 5:52:37 PM #
Not nearly enough. They need to post an apology on their online forums for deletting posts and banning members.
RE: Very little, very late
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 9:18:42 PM #
Next you will want them to run Ads on TV, and fly a banner behind an airplane over the next Super Bowl, give it up .........
RE: Very little, very late
PDA Guy @ 5/11/2002 2:53:11 AM #
Uh, no. But they did more than just the initial screw-up, and should apologize for *ALL* of the idiot moves in this matter, not just what got the avalanche started.

time to move on

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 4:48:19 PM #
it was a pretty dumb mistake that actually helped iambic's competition instead of the other way around. For the sake of iambic which does make good software, I am happy they finally got around to fixing this. And of course I am happy for Pimlico too. It isn't fun to have someone take your name away. Even if it does result in Datebk's promotion in Palminfocenter, Slashdot and countless other forums :)
iambic bought Google Adwords with Competitors' Trademarks!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:24:38 AM #
Well, here's a quote from Brighthand: "iambic may have devised a more elaborate plan to market its software than simply registering and redirecting a few domain names. Iambic also purchased Adwords Select in Google's popular search engine for trademarks of several of its competitors, including "quicksheet" (a trademark of Cutting Edge Software), Documents To Go (a trademark of DataViz), and MiniCalc (a trademark of Solutions in Hand)."
RE: time to move on
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:48:08 AM #
I think this is covered under the CEO statement, "we are currently reviewing our marketing methods"

I agree it is time to move on. For days, you all asked for an apology and for iambic to give up the domains. They did that. Now you want more?

I'm beginning to think you won't be satisfied until the CEO commits harakiri so he can make it right with his ancestors.

RE: time to move on
Beavis @ 5/13/2002 8:45:11 AM #
"I'm beginning to think you won't be satisfied until the CEO commits harakiri so he can make it right with his ancestors."


Well....that would be a good start.

Give 'em a BREAK!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 5:54:51 PM #
Come on, confusing customers to improve the bottome line is the American way!
RE: Give 'em a BREAK!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 11:05:30 PM #
And what a way it is...
Too bad...
RE: Give 'em a BREAK!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/15/2002 1:27:25 AM #
[b]howdy[/b] [i]all[/i]

This is fun, isn't it? )

I'm still banned from Iambic Forums

big_raji @ 5/10/2002 6:09:08 PM #
It's nice that they apologized and all, but I'm still banned from their forums.

I'm still a Tinysheet user with no support forums to access right now.

Anyone still banned from the Iambic forums, raise your hands.

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RE: I'm still banned from Iambic Forums
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 6:24:20 PM #
i am.

i sent them an email a couple hours ago, asking them to lift my ban. we'll see what happens.

Really regretful?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 6:40:32 PM #
From what I've heard, the way they handled the things at first(banning users from forums) don't seems to me it's ONE marketing person's mistake.

Anyway, I hope they'll continue to make good softwares, just do a better job on their business practice...

RE: Really regretful?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 11:52:05 PM #
It may be true! What if they are one-man shop ?

Sigh, everyone just needs to calm down...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 7:00:03 PM #
Sheesh, everyone would be cheering Palm if it got it's hands on pktpc.com or something like that. No one (except PPC users) would be PROTESTING. Give me a break, you all are idiots for "never again buying a Iambic product". As far as them taking down some inflamatory comments on THEIR OWN WEBSITE, big deal. If you were running a website and someone was flamming you, wouldn't you remove it??? If you don't like it, then don't post it there.
RE: Sigh, everyone just needs to calm down...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 10:02:50 PM #
>Sheesh, everyone would be cheering Palm if
>it got it's hands on pktpc.com or something
>like that.

No, no we wouldn't.

>No one (except PPC users) would be PROTESTING.

If you honestly believe that you are a very sad and pathetic person.

>Give me a break, you all are idiots for
>"never again buying a Iambic product".

Hey, if it counts any, I never would have bought an Iambic product before this latest fiasco because of their long history of fraud and deception (like, say, changing Action Names' name to Action Names Datebook, or telling their own customers to blame Pimlico because they were no longer releasing the free program that fixed an Action Names conflict with Datebook+ whereby all alarms played twice -- mainly because Pimlico fixed the problem in DateBk and no longer had to release it, and Iambic never bothered to fix it while Pimlico had a free fix).

RE: Sigh, everyone just needs to calm down...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 6:46:05 AM #
Sure, they can remove posts, but why ban me from the forum? What happens now if I need to post a question about Tinysheet? Now I'm stuck with Tiny sh*t!?!
RE: Sigh, everyone just needs to calm down...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 9:22:50 AM #
Remember, according to Brighthand: "iambic may have devised a more elaborate plan to market its software than simply registering and redirecting a few domain names. Iambic also purchased Adwords Select in Google's popular search engine for trademarks of several of its competitors, including "quicksheet" (a trademark of Cutting Edge Software), Documents To Go (a trademark of DataViz), and MiniCalc (a trademark of Solutions in Hand)." Also, according to the Palm Entrepreneurs Forum, they also purchased Adwords for DateBk4 and DateBk5. Insidious!


RE: Sigh, everyone just needs to calm down...
Wollombi @ 5/11/2002 9:25:11 PM #
[quote]
If you honestly believe that you are a very sad and pathetic person.
[/quote]

It's so nice you are courageous enough to insult people anonymously.

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RE: Sigh, everyone just needs to calm down...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 11:30:11 PM #
Look, its simple...

Purchase either DOCS to Go or QuickSheet for a spreadsheet program and get rid of Tiny Sheet

Purchase Datebk4 because it is capable of a TON more than Action Names and it is the SAME price. I remember when Action Names was 15 bucks and it is now 25.

Let IAMBIC concentrate on GAMES.

Courage

fkclo @ 5/10/2002 10:08:14 PM #
I was upset by what iambic did in the last few days. It was bad business practice. It was a mistake.

But ALL of us make mistakes in our lives. It takes courage to admit a mistake, act to correct it, and live on. Regardless of what we may guess of Iambic's intention, whether it is to mitigate its legal exposure, or something for business damage control, the FACT that Iambic do apologise is a respectful and courageous deed.

I really hope we can now put things behind us and move on.

RE: Courage
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/10/2002 11:05:23 PM #
I wouldn't be suprised if this person, along with some of the other mindless-sounding posts, are from iambic's marketing department, trying to patch up some of the damages they know they've done...
RE: Courage
fkclo @ 5/11/2002 12:23:42 AM #
If you are referring to me (as the first poster in this thread), then you are wrong.

I live in Hong Kong, work outside the IT industry, and use a Palm OS device since 1997. I am using DateBk since the dates of v2, have registered AllTime and AllMoney from Iambic, but not ActionNames. This is ALL about how I relate to PimlicoSoftare and Iambic - as a customer of both companies.

I seldom post IMA and have been posting long before the incident.

Just a bit to clarify and clear up.

RE: Courage
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 2:36:27 PM #
I wouldn't be suprised if that person, along with some of the other mindless-sounding posters, are from datebk's marketing department, trying to boost up their sales while the news is hot...

RE: Courage
Wollombi @ 5/11/2002 9:27:13 PM #
[quote]
I wouldn't be suprised if this person, along with some of the other mindless-sounding posts, are from iambic's marketing department, trying to patch up some of the damages they know they've done...
[/quote]

Hmm...at least he was brave enough to use his own name...

Please cut out the vitriolic crap.

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Action Names Datebook?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 6:00:25 PM #
HI:

I've read about the iambic domain hijacking with interest. Since when did "Action Names"
get changed to "Action Names Datebook?!" I missed that one. Perhaps they're trying to confuse us with the
between the two products?


RE: Action Names Datebook?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 6:05:37 PM #
Whatever happened to Actioneer?
RE: I will stay with Iambic!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 10:12:31 PM #
You said: ...I will definitely continue to use and recommend Iambic products. ... And the fact that the CEO apologized is enough to show the high moral level of the company.

I say: You are a suc*er. I would like to appologize. "And the fact that I apologized is enough to show the high moral level of me", isn't it so?

I appologize again.

Signed by Anonymous.

PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 1:42:48 AM #
Several days ago, I submitted my comments on Action Names, mentioning the shortcomings of the product, as well as the sleazy behavior of the company: in addition to last week's events which we all know about, they also seem to have the practice of "reviewing" their own products and giving themselves five stars to make the comments look more favorable to the casual observer.

PalmGear not only did not accept my submission, they apparently forwarded it to iambic, because I received their form-letter "we did nothing illegal" response.

Several days later, not only my comments are still not posted on PG, but some other comments that were already there have been removed as well (all of which talked about the product only, in unfavorable terms, but not about iambic's recent behavior).

Has anybody succeeded in leaving comments in PG about Action Names lately?

RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
fkclo @ 5/12/2002 4:05:26 AM #
Actually my observation is that this is not confined to Action Names. PalmGear seems to have a mechanism to review users comments submitted. I used to post comments on applications in the past, and ALL of them get posted. But then I started to realise PalmGear has become quite selective on some of the comments, and there are a few that never get posted.

PalmGear did not disclose what criteria they use to screen the submissions, but my impression is that harsh and comparative statements (e.g. the xyz function is miserable compared to that of ABC application) will have a less chance of appearing at PalmGear.

This is one of the reason why I am not posting any more at PalmGear.

RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 6:50:47 AM #
I can confirm that Palmgear does censor the reviews. I once posted a negative review of some software produced by a company which advertises at Palmgear. I soon received an offensive email from the developer which didn't answer any of the criticisms I made. My review was deleted shortly after that.
RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 8:14:28 AM #
Post on Handango, they don't censor the reviews.

www.handango.com

RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 1:36:13 PM #
Yes, Palmgear does censor user comments. I have commented a product and gave it negative rating and I said the product suck. They did not even bothered posting the comment.

PalmGear support and online services sucks. The only thing they got is their popuarlity and user base.

RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 6:02:53 PM #
How many of these "reviews" were actual reviews or knee jerk reactions to the situation at hand. I would think that if a product, no matter how stupid the develper was" received 1 or 2 reviews a day and then all of a sudden was flooded with 50 or 60 negative reviews, then I would see this as a biased attempt to make the software look bad. Even if I don't agree with Iambics attempt to sway customers away from DB5, I have to think that the software should have an equal or fair shot at trying to sway the customer. Thats why it's called try and buy.
RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 11:51:41 AM #
But support of customers and trust in the company is part of how I would review a product. For instance, I love my Clie, but I cannot rate it as a perfect 10, because Sony support sucks (big time). That's something people deserve to know.
RE: PalmGear Censors comments on Action Names
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/15/2002 3:05:09 PM #
You may note, however, that when this fiasco began, Action Names was listed as "Gear's Choice". I sent them an e-mail about it, and though they never responded to the e-mail, I see today that Action Names is no longer a "Gear's Choice" pick.

I will stay with Iambic!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/11/2002 3:26:27 PM #
I will definitely continue to use and recommend Iambic products. Actions Names Datebook is an excellent product. And the fact that the CEO apologized is enough to show the high moral level of the company.


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RE: I will stay with Iambic!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 6:10:34 PM #
Oh please. One with high moral value would never have done this is the first place. One with typical moral value would have apologized as soon as they were reveled. One with poor moral value would refuse to apologize until they saw how many customers were upset and how much business they were losing. I cannot see how anyone could say Iambic has "high moral values" after this. You are welcome to use their products, but don't kid yourself.
RE: I will stay with Iambic!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 12:53:30 AM #
He did apologise immediately after it was revealed. This is the business world... things take time to happen. It's only been a few days I think that's quick.

Of course, rabid Palm forum-readers who notice things five minutes after the event would disagree.

RE: I will stay with Iambic!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 11:48:57 AM #
Wrong. They sent out an official statement that DID NOT acknowledge any mistake. They sent out a second statement again stating that they had done nothing wrong and that it was just a "small" number of people that were upset. They also deleted posts off their Forum and the email list that questioned their actions. Only after the furor continued to rise, mainly due to their actions AFTER the story broke did they finally apologize. Stop trying to defend them when the facts clearly show otherwise.

Get off your moral high horses

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 12:59:40 PM #
I find it annoying in the extreme that there are lots of holier-than-thou types lurking in these forums. Ok, so iambic is obviously guilty of shady marketing practices. The backlash is affecting them enough that they've issued an official CEO apology. So case closed. What's wrong with you people? What about Nike child-labour sweatshops in the Far East? What about anti-environmental products of all kinds? What about Royal Dutch/Shell and Third World countries? What about Microsoft's destardly business practices? Aren't these worthier causes to be bitching about?

I find the "oh my God they squatted on someone's domain I'm NEVER going to have anything to do with them EVER" types completely manic, obsessive and neurotic. Get real. Your over-the-top response is COMPLETELY out of proportion to the crime. They were lobbied against, petitioned against, and backed off. Lots of lousier companies didn't.

I also find it asinine that anyone supporting Iambic must be from their marketing department, and anyone trashing Iambic must be from Pimlico's marketing department. Whatever happened to free speech? What the heck is wrong with you people?

RE: Get off your moral high horses
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 6:15:42 PM #
While I agree with you about the people that jump on anyone defending Iambic as being one of their employees, I disagree that that outcry was displaced. Do you realize that YOU are being holier-than-thou as well (much as I hate that religious statement) when criticizing people's choice of crusade? And what makes you think some of us do not make similar fights against other companies? I detest Microsoft and use other products and recommend them to clients as much as possible. Just because a company like Iambic is smaller and does less damage does not mean they should not get any attention. Far from it. I think people far prefer a fight that they know they have some chance of winning, rather than something that is totally futile.
RE: Get off your moral high horses
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 7:25:42 PM #
Something really strange that you may think about : the "apologies" came soon after people asked PIC to reveal the IP of the sudden rush of messsages in favour of Iambic...

RE: Get off your moral high horses
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/12/2002 8:22:52 PM #
I am not too concerned about employees of Iambic posting to PIC. Its up to the reader to evaluate whatever arguments are made by posters and decide wether the points they make are germaine.
In the same way that readers choose to ignore those "sony" jingoists :), we need not know the name or IP address of posters.
RE: Get off your moral high horses
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 12:54:54 AM #
That's right. Just some time back, Palm was forgiven for the stupid mistake they made about removing the name 'Palm' from Palm User Groups (among many other things). They were forgiven because they were huge and there was no other alternative. Microsoft will never get a public reaction like this because the world does not function without them.

What Iambic did is stupid, but they do make fine software. They cannot be forgiven because they are small and there is the other shining good twin called Pilimco to lavish all your love on. Hey, look at how unfair and ass-licking you bunch are.

RE: Get off your moral high horses
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 12:35:56 PM #
Once you get off your 'high horse', I'll get off mine. How about it?
RE: Get off your moral high horses
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 1:36:58 PM #
I'll get off my own horse once you take down that large placard on your head that says "I'm a brainless idiot with no ability to state a case but still throws out one-liner flames cos I can't do better".

Heads must roll!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 6:22:40 AM #
This apology is unacceptable. iambic must force senior officials to resign or they will lose total credibility. I am boycotting iambic until the CEO names names!!!
RE: Heads must roll!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 8:26:52 AM #
And you must force yourself to use your brain. I know it hurts at the beginning but you will get used to.
RE: Heads must roll!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 8:35:40 AM #
Does Iambic even have senior officials?
RE: Heads must roll!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 1:42:58 PM #
Get a life, dude. Fact: squatting on a domain is an insignificant misdemeanour. Fact: there are lots of hypocrites and holier-than-thou types acting as though Iambic committed some heinous Microsoft-type crime. Fact: you are one of these idiots types.
RE: Heads must roll!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 7:21:29 PM #
To the guy that started this thread, post your bosses name and contact info so we can call call and get you fired.

You guys are hypocrites

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 8:53:33 AM #
What a bunch of hypocrites. 90% of you download and use illegally pirated or copied software. Sure, the excuse is that you want to try it out. However, it's still illegal and skirts the rules that the software developer has outlined for demo'ing the product that they developed. Often, you conveniently forget to register the software.

This overreaction from a small slice of the PDA user community will be forgotten, oh say, 3 weeks from now. There are probably only about two dozen people, in total, participating in this debate. Time to move on with life, OK?

RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 10:44:37 AM #
Amen
RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 11:53:53 AM #
Well, I for one do not use pirated software (or MP3s for that matter) nor do I give any copies of software to friends. Why? Because I am a software developer myself and know that doing so is stealing money that someone else has worked to earn. I don't care if it's a small-time developer like myself or Microsoft, I have values and just as I would never shop-lift, neither would I steal software. Nor would I *ever* think of doing something like Iambic did to try and steal customers. Far from it, when I post on user groups about people asking for recommendations in the area my software is written for (ecommerce) I will not only suggest my own, I will point them to sites where they can look into others as well. Because I am quite confident that they will not find one that does more for the price than mine does, and it shows honesty and confidence that will often do more to convince a customer than just pretending that mine is the only software out there.
RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 12:30:46 PM #
"There are probably only about two dozen people, in total, participating in this debate. Time to move on with life, OK?"

Including or not including you? I would just like to know whether to categorize you under "Moving On With Life" or "Not Moving On With Life".

RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 12:58:40 PM #
No we should not move on! what this company did is so bad! Let's set the CEO's Mansion (i guess he has a huge mansion from all the money he stole from the starving gorillas) in fire. Can someone steal his car and set it in fire as well? Let's throw bananas at his kids at school. YAY!
RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 1:35:48 PM #
Quote:
"Well, I for one do not use pirated software (or MP3s for that matter) nor do I give any copies of software to friends. Why? Because I am a software developer myself and know that doing so is stealing money that someone else has worked to earn. I don't care if it's a small-time developer like myself or Microsoft, I have values and just as I would never shop-lift, neither would I steal software. Nor would I *ever* think of doing something like Iambic did to try and steal customers. Far from it, when I post on user groups about people asking for recommendations in the area my software is written for (ecommerce) I will not only suggest my own, I will point them to sites where they can look into others as well. Because I am quite confident that they will not find one that does more for the price than mine does, and it shows honesty and confidence that will often do more to convince a customer than just pretending that mine is the only software out there."

That is such crap. Look everyone, God has joined the forum.

RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 1:50:42 PM #
One would think that a substantive proportion of people on this forum were Southerners from 1950's America. HELLO PEOPLE! I respect values, honesty, and dignity like anyone else. But the fact of the matter is that cybersquatting is NOT A BIG DEAL. I can't understand why people make this out to be a bigger crime than it really is. Yeah, snub Iambic, boo them, but boycott them? Heck most of us wear Nike shoes though they're made using cheap, underpaid, poverty-level labourers in Third World countries. What is cybersquatting compared with that? Or Microsoft's bullying business tactics?

NOT A BIG DEAL. Repeat ad infinitum to anyone who has lost his sense of perspective in this "crusade".

RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 2:20:34 PM #
Quote:

"That is such crap. Look everyone, God has joined the forum."

It's a sad statement on your own morals that you would demean someone else for having some. Very sad.


RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 2:41:09 PM #
"You guys are hypocrites...90% of you download and use illegally pirated or copied software."

Dear Honest Software Developer:

The above statement is known as a generalization, not a challenge to your morals as an individual. Nor was it an invitation to go into a half-page explainiation of your software purchasing practices and your supremely honest business practices. I even acknowledged by inference that 10% of you DON'T use illegally pirated or copied software.

RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 3:15:55 PM #
I just came by this page to see what all the new comments were over what I read last Friday, and wow! sure is sad to see it become into the typical PIC flaming of other users thread. are some people in love with Iambic that they feel the need to criticize anyone that says that they did not care for their actions? it sure is interesting, the difference here and at PDABuzz, where the bulk of the thread about the apology from Iambic is people agreeing that they will not forget this easily. interesting that all those that post otherwise are only on here where they can post without names (yes, me also). What a statement about American business that its just expected that they would behave this way. just as someone would say that 90% of people have pirated software (is there data that says that?) and even if they did, that wouldn't make what iambic did right. what's that saying, two wrongs don't make it right? I am glad to see the message from the one person who says they are not like that, even if others did not like it. not everyone cares only about making money.
RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 3:33:17 PM #
"Nor was it an invitation to go into a half-page explainiation of your software purchasing practices and your supremely honest business practices. "

Oh, is this your board, that only you are allowed to post on? Everyone else stop posting, you have to have an invitation from this loser to post anything more than a one-liner.

I think the point was that many of us DO play fair and we prefer to do business with a company that does, at least in situations like this where we have a choice. I don't use pirated software, I don't need to, I can afford to pay for what I use. And I am one of those that is a registered user of Iambic products and am now banned from their Forums for questioning their actions. No, I don't expect them to point me to their competition. But I do expect that if I have questions about their actions as a company, they will answer them and not just ban me from their Forum for asking them. This in my mind is a much worse offense than the cybersquatting ever was. I detest a company that tries to cover up their actions. In my mind, it is indicative of a company that may be doing other things and hiding them that I would not care to support.

RE: You guys are hypocrites
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/14/2002 4:18:11 AM #
Quote:

"I just came by this page to see what all the new comments were over what I read last Friday, and wow! sure is sad to see it become into the typical PIC flaming of other users thread. are some people in love with Iambic that they feel the need to criticize anyone that says that they did not care for their actions? it sure is interesting, the difference here and at PDABuzz, where the bulk of the thread about the apology from Iambic is people agreeing that they will not forget this easily. interesting that all those that post otherwise are only on here where they can post without names (yes, me also). What a statement about American business that its just expected that they would behave this way. just as someone would say that 90% of people have pirated software (is there data that says that?) and even if they did, that wouldn't make what iambic did right. what's that saying, two wrongs don't make it right? I am glad to see the message from the one person who says they are not like that, even if others did not like it. not everyone cares only about making money."

A few points to make: first, just because the posts here are mostly anonymous (more out of convenience than anything else) doesn't mean that they are somehow less sensible or defensible than those at PDABuzz or other fora. Second, one could very much ask the same of you: are you in love with Pimlico such that you feel the need to criticize those who think cybersquatting is less of a deal than some people have made it out to be?

Iambic was wrong. No question about it. But quit acting as if they were Microsoft itself. They don't deserve their (very good, in my opinion) software being boycotted because of mere cybersquatting, not when they even backed out on that. Microsoft has done much worse, including illegal tying practices and NDAs that restrict competition. In fact, so have many other software companies. So why are some people acting as if they were the Devil incarnate, not to be touched with a ten-foot pole?

If you ask me, the gentleman who said that banning registered users from Iambic forums is a much worse offence than cybersquatting is perfectly right. Cybersquatting is simply not a big enough deal to merit the kind of boycotting that I see users fuming about, despite Iambic's apology.

time to move on

PR @ 5/13/2002 5:11:24 PM #
from the yahoo group

"From: "C. E. Steuart Dewar" <dewar@P...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 11:24 am
Subject: Iambic - some final thoughts before moving on

First of all, I want to express again my appreciation at the support that I
have received from the Palm Community over the events of this past week.

The Palm community spoke, and at this point Iambic has responded. Regardless
of how this response may have been received or perceived, it is important
that we all be in a frame of mind where apologies can be accepted. If we
don't accept an apology, then there is no incentive for the other party to
proffer one.

Obviously, it is not my place to try and control the nature of the responses
to the original actions taken, but I would like to emphasize that from my
own personal view, I do not condone any actions that go beyond the
professional expression of dissatisfaction at the events. In particular, I
do not like to see any personal attacks, nor any kind of "dirty tricks"
retaliations. There have been some rumblings about that, and I want everyone
to clearly know that both publicly and privately, this would dismay me to
see anything like that become a reality.

So, unless there is some specific new information regarding all of this, I
think we should consider that reason and ethics prevailed and that the final
resolution (assuming that promises that have been made are followed through
on) is satisfactory enough for us to move on and get back to the issues at
hand.

We have a new release of DateBk with all the attendant issues that a new
release typically brings. I need to get to work on the translation tables so
the translators can start work on the German and French versions of DateBk5.
We have some new and interesting devices, and with OS 5.0 just around the
corner, I think I have more than enough things to keep me busy! I don't
think that deciding to move on in any way diminishes the efforts made - I
suspect the events of the past week are not going to be forgotten that
quickly )

Cheers!
CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
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RE: time to move on
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2002 5:18:12 PM #
What a class act he is. Too bad some people cannot behave with as much grace as he has through all this. Indeed, it's time to move on now.
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