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Looks cool

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 9:53:30 AM #
Looks good, but doesn't look like color to me...
RE: Looks cool
jontz @ 5/23/2002 9:57:10 AM #
If you look closely at the picture, the tab on the screen in the upper left corner looks sorta blue...It either has a really bad color screen or this is a really bad picture.

Thumboard
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 9:57:50 AM #
Where's the thumboard? Without one, as Handspring has learned with its Treo, a smartphone is not very good for data (e-mail) usage.

RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:01:47 AM #
For power graffiti users this is better than a thumboard.
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:03:45 AM #
I don't think Treo can survive against this one. Anybody want to buy Handspring stock cheap?
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:21:46 AM #
No, this is a half-baked idea! Good luck with that small screen to do any work. The Graffiti area is so small, letters will become numbers and vice-versa! Nice look, but the Treo is a much thought out idea!
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:23:47 AM #
Treo is too big for a phone. That is why only 13,000 made it to humans.
RE: Looks cool
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 5/23/2002 10:50:37 AM #
I think this phone looks amazing. The basic idea for this phone seems to be that it is primarily a phone, then they added the Palm os. There is another phone on the market which looks very similar to this one, it is just a cell phone, but i'm not sure what brand it is. They did a good move with this phone. Small sceen, I like small screens on a phone, that way the phone is smaller, size really matters for most people.

RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:52:47 AM #
I think the blue up in the top left corner is the shadow of the photographer... unfortunately, not color.
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:00:15 AM #
I had Kyocera smartphone. It was annoying to use because of the bottom flip. Seems like a small thing but it is what smart design is about. The phone was very awkward for data input. Looks cool but I predict a failure.
RE: Looks cool
Ed @ 5/23/2002 11:01:47 AM #
The source, who has seen the real thing, says the screen is color.

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News Editor
RE: Looks cool
cykalan @ 5/23/2002 11:15:10 AM #
Adjust your screen brighter and you will be able to distinguish between blue and black...............

Alan
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Read your manuals before you ask!!
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:16:09 AM #
Yeah - you can see the color in the upper left corner. It looks to me that the backlight is just not on.
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:25:39 AM #
I agree with crusty - this thing looks way cool. I've certainly been a nay-sayer about phone/pda combos before, but this thing looks like it could win me over. I have to admit that I did dabble briefly with a[non-Palm device], but I've found that it's really not what I need. I was thinking of checking out the new Danger device (expected next month) but I miss my Palm OS. This device is definitely appealing.

One thing that's made me change my tune about combo PDA/phones is that I've simply decided that it's necessary to have two phones one main phone with PDA, and one super-small phone that I can use when I want to travel light (mostly for going out on the town). Since I have Voicestream, I can just pop the chip out of my phone and switch to another without any problem, which is very cool.

RE: Looks cool
KB2PMD @ 5/23/2002 11:29:29 AM #
When you magnify and brighten the picture of the opened phone, you can clearly see "Setup 1 of 4" in the background is written on a blue background, whereas the nearby text is black.
I wonder if the phone will have integrated T9 or ITAP input, so users who don't like graffiti have a more optimized method for data entry.
-Mike


RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:49:40 AM #
One item to consider is whether people will have both the Phone/PDA AND a PDA. For instance,
if my phone could carry all of my information of my palm, it might be nice to have in those rare
instances I don't have my Palm. Also, all my information of phone numbers could carry over. On
the other hand, I don't think I would even use this as a power PIM device. I can't see flipping out
my phone to take notes from a meeting, or managing a database, or connecting this to a Port
keyboard.
But having my Palm be able to share information would be nice. If I own a Palm, I still own a
mobile phone. Why not make it a Palm enabled phone.
RE: Looks cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 12:00:39 PM #
Yeah, you know what, I think I might just believe you that it is just that the backlight is not on. The top left does look blue. (Thought it looked blue anyway, just that it was a result of the poor picture.)

Wouldn't want to argue with ED anyway, I'm sure he is right.

Can't be worse than the first Kyocera... ugly beast!

RE: Looks cool - keyboard, etc.
PFloyd @ 5/23/2002 12:29:15 PM #
I only tried for about 10 minutes but I can Graffiti faster than I can thumb type on a Clie or a Treo.

Wow!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:05:13 AM #
FINALLY a real flip-style Palm phone! If they can keep the size down (and it looks like they have) and the battery life up, what a device!

Granted, I like a thumb board better than grafitti, but in this form factor, i'll compromise!

-- J

RE: Wow!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:20:01 AM #
Wow is right!! If this is going to run an ARM, I would buy it in a second.

Really hard call on the keyboard issue. Most people are use to and expect a "pots" style keypad for cell phones. This looks like a very good compromise. Personally, I like graffiti and glad to see it on the device.

RE: Wow!
c_blue @ 5/23/2002 11:01:06 AM #
If this turns to be true, I'll get one, add a fitaly stamp to it and forget all about thumb type.

c_blue

RE: Wow!
fkclo @ 5/23/2002 11:05:44 AM #
I just wonder if you can find a suitable Fitaly Stamp overlay to fit this unit.

RE: Wow!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:41:46 AM #
I agree WOW. Koolness factor is very high. Notice it is available in the Palm silver and blue colors. The separate grafitti makes sense and works for me. Put a silkyboard overlay and just type with your stylus. Maybe you could use the dial keyboard for numbers. I'm sure it is color and that the res is 160x160 which is fine for that size device. It almost certainly would use OS4 in my opinion as there would be no need for the features of OS5 on this device. It would be very cool if you could display a color picture of the person you are calling say from the phonebook databse.
I would definately buy this if it was supported by a local phone service.
RE: Wow!
c_blue @ 5/23/2002 11:43:12 AM #
If there is a fitaly skin for the virtual graffiti area on the NR series... I don't see why a suitable stamp can't be made =)...

c_blue

It's too d**m small!!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:18:17 AM #
First we had people complain about the small m100 series screen, now this! What the hell can you do on a screen that small? I can't see this unit becoming more than a unique cell phone to show off to others.

There's no functionality for a palmos device with a screen that small. It looks cool and a great idea, but the Treo is a much better design. These guys just copied Motorola and stuck the palmOS in it.

Good luck selling them to people who actually need both!

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:26:16 AM #
Q:What can you do on a screen that small? A:Everything.
The small screens are denser, still consisting of 160 x 160 pixels. Just like the old screens.
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:34:49 AM #
you know, there is no measurement on the picture, for all we know it could be a ten foot giant statue or a 4 inch prototype.

who knows, got to see it first.

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
Ed @ 5/23/2002 10:57:04 AM #
With the assumption that that black square on the right side is an SD slot, I came up with some rough dimensions. When closed the T3 seems to be a little less than 4 inches tall, not counting the .75 inch antenna. It is roughly 2.5 inches wide and about 1.25 inches thick. The screen is about 1.9 inches on a side.

This was pretty easy because an SD slot is just about exactly an inch wide.

I've added this info to the article.

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News Editor

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:21:17 AM #
It could also be a Memory Stick slot on the side, Kyocera is on the list of Memory Stick supporting companies.
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
RedJess @ 5/23/2002 12:05:06 PM #
I agree, I think the screen is too small to be comfortable, but that's just me. It looks really cool. If the device is any good, Handspring might have something to worry about.

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 12:07:18 PM #
If the size estimates are correct, then the width and screen size are almost exactly the same as the Kyo 6035. Which is a perfrect compromised size for portability and legibility, IMO. So, the answer is yes, you can do everything on it that you can do with any other Palm device.
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 12:15:48 PM #
Sorry, still too small. Give it up. It was hard on a m100 to get used to and now this!?
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 12:23:43 PM #
I agree....the screen is way too small...but a very cool design!
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
kady @ 5/23/2002 12:43:20 PM #
I would say it looks small, but the screen on the 6035 is pretty small too. I actually use two palm devices: the 6035 for a phone and reminders, and the visor edge for everything else. I thought that the 6035 was the ideal solution and even dropped the m505 for it. (Of course I managed to get 3 defective m505's and the last return I exchanged for the phone).

Unfortunately, for me the screen is too small for using it for much more than a phone book. I added larger fonts but still . . . okay, to be most honest, scrabble was too small to play. I *love* the phone connected to the address book. With my limited memory, being able to simply tap on a person's number or do the look up is great! I bought the edge when the price came down for the great screen real estate. Plus it is thin enough to carry around in my purse with the phone. I would rather have an integrated device to simply carry one item. I am interested to see how big this item really is. It looks great otherwise, especially with the possible sd slot.

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:15:35 PM #
I liked the idea of the Kyocera 6035. But the fact is, if u have used one for a while you notice how damn difficult it is to tap anything on the screen. I am not quite sure if it is just because it is too small (ie: because the pixel density is great, the digitizer also requires that much more precision) or if the digitizer happens to also be not very sensitive on this unit. In any event, this leads to tapping 3-4 times trying to hit a partiular button or ui object. Too bad, because - as i said - i love the idea of Palm OS smart phone. It just needs to have a larger (and brighter - more readable) screen. On the upside, after using a Kyocera for a few days, it makes the screen of even a Palm V or Vx seem luxurious and beuatiful, and the touch screens seem very easy to use by comparison.
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 3:36:08 PM #
when you say some screen is too small, please state your age and eye sight strengths. to me, even the i300 screen seem to be fine (running 1600x1200 on a 19 in.). so, it's just different level of tolerence, and i do understand your particular circumstances.
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
RedJess @ 5/23/2002 4:34:31 PM #
"when you say some screen is too small, please state your age and eye sight strengths. "

I'm 20 with 20/20 vision. I think its too small just becuase for what I want to do with a Palm (address, memo, notes, take notes in class, updating Word and Excel documents, play games). I don't think doing all that is going be comfortable on a screen that size. But that's just my personal preference. And maybe if I every get to try it out, I'd change my tune.

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 4:42:40 PM #
Hey, it remains to be seen as to whether or not it's too small. I thought the Clie NR70 was going to be way too big until I held one in my hand.

That having been said, I'm interested to see how one could write on the graffitti area without hitting any of the keys below. Maybe there's a function for turning them off while writing?

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
jimski @ 5/23/2002 5:29:21 PM #
I agree, it is too d**m small. I have owned a Kyocera 6035 since the week it came out, hoping it would be the catch all device to replace my Palm VIIx and Nokia cellphone.

After a year of struggling to see the small 160 x 160 screen, I finally took the leap to Sony (T-415 to T-615 to NR70V). I use my PDA all day long and my 40 something eyes could no longer focus on the Kyocera screen. The NR70V is literally day and night (even with the contrast at almost minimum) compared to the Kyocera. I now use the Kyocera as a cell phone, to pull down e-mail and access web-sites. The Sony does everything else.

I have come to the conclusion that there will never be a SmartPhone to satisfy everyone (phone too big or PDA too small). I am looking forward to a GSM CellPhone the size of a match book to communicate with my Sony via Bluetooth. I will still need two devices, but won't have to pay two cellular bills (cell and Palm), will be able to see everything and the cellphone could stay tucked out of the way.

This is the only solution. Forget SmartPhones. I have.

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:31:30 PM #
Well, after seeing a Treo in real life and deciding it's too [fill-in-the-blank] large for a phone, I'm actually glad to see another company try something smaller.
RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 9:07:20 AM #
I disagree. I have an i300 and the smaller screen took about an hour to get used to. Now I don't notice that it is any smaller at all, even though it is about 2/3 the size of my old m505 screen.

Now the other palms look bulky and big. Not to mention the 160x160 displays look almost cheesy. The smaller screen actually is easy to get used to IMHO, and gives the appearance of HiRes...

RE: It's too d**m small!!!!!
jimski @ 5/24/2002 1:53:31 PM #
Sorry, but I took the i300 for a test drive, and although it was an improvement over the Kyocera 6035 it is still a far cry from the screen real estate and crispness of an T-615 or NR70.

Try putting one these SmartPhones in a car's hands free unit and tell me how easy it is to read the screen from 18-20 inches away, in the dark. So far, it's still not illegal to read your PDA while driving.

Just keep the devices separate and focus on wireless technology (Bluetooth or whatever comes along) allowing them to communicate seamlessly.

Phone first? PDA first?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 8:01:00 PM #
well, I guess the people who complain about the size of this device are ones who want a PDA first. As for people like me, who want a phone first (with a PalmOS).

I guess here is a test you can try. You have your cell phone and a Palm. You can only have one when you leave your home, which one would you pick? If you said the phone, I think this device will be great for you. If you said either the PDA or both, I think it's likely that you don't like the screen on this device. :) (I'd take my cell phone any time. :p)

Oh, also there is a comfort difference between a b/w screen and a color one even with the same size. I've found that the color screens are almost always easier to look at than the b/w ones.

Let's look at it from user perspective

fkclo @ 5/23/2002 10:27:11 AM #
Yes, it is small, and there is colour. But lack of a thumb board will drive new users towards the Treo 270.

Besides, the silkscreen is on the other side of the hinge. Those stylus swipe from "Application" to "Screen" or from "Calculator" to "Screen" will no longer be possible. Those who like Jot or RecoEcho may be disappointed.

What's more important is that one would have to flip open the phone to use view the screen. At least it appears so. On the contrary, one can make phone calls and view information on a Treo without flipping up the cover.

Apparently, this is more "phone" focused, whereas the Treo is more PDA focused with integrated telephony. At the end, the choice is the users'.


RE: Let's look at it from user perspective
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:47:13 AM #
I think to be able to get the Palm OS into the hands of a large number of cell phone users there will not be a "one device fits all" solution. Some will want a thump keyboard, others graffitti. Some will want a large, color screen to run apps and games while others will just want to be able to access their datebook and address list as many people currently do with the low-end Palm devices. What really needs to happen for the Palm OS to take off in cell phones is to have several devices out there at a decent price that will appeal to peoples' different needs. This device plus the Treo are helping to make that possible!
RE: Let's look at it from user perspective
fkclo @ 5/23/2002 11:07:36 AM #
I think you hit the right spot - price. Palm OS phone prices need to come down for it to be mainstream. Let's hope this will come true someday this year.

RE: Let's look at it from user perspective
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:14:57 AM #
This definitely is not a one size fits all situation but it does serve a purpose. I travel alot and am very athletic. My phone goes everywhere with me but my Palm gets in the way and stays in the hotel room or at home often. This would prove to be great for the person always on the run looking for form factor. I ultimately would use this to complement my Palm for certain situations and not replace it altogether.
RE: Let's look at it from user perspective
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 4:27:39 PM #
From a user perspective, a lawyer with a private practice and a professor with several classes to keep track of, I think this device is right on target. Thumb boards are for kids and their electronic games. Businesses don't hire secretaries who can hen peck at a typewriter, even if the boss does. Grafiti is fast and easy. This device is for adults. Having the silkscreen separated makes the device smaller and even protects the viewing area from wear/damage more likely to occur/originate in the silk screen area. I will be able to surf, write emails, record notes, use apps such as maps, accounting, and others. Someday they will invent a practical Dick Tracy phone/computer. No one will then complain about the small screen. Smaller is the goal...within reason. It seems to me this screen is within reason, especially since it will display in color allowing for finer, distinctive print. The SD slot allows me to upgrade and enhance. I would most definitely buy it over the Sony. When comparing size and what you have to go through to flip open these two devices, the newer one is clearer the winner.
RE: Let's look at it from user perspective
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 12:58:49 AM #
> From a user perspective, a lawyer with a private
> practice and a professor with several classes to keep
> track of, I think this device is right on target.
> Thumb boards are for kids and their electronic games.
> Businesses don't hire secretaries who can hen peck at
> a typewriter, even if the boss does. Grafiti is fast
> and easy. This device is for adults.

RIM made the BlackBerry thumb keyboard for 100% business users, and I'd say that 99% of BB's are corporate types. All of the other thumb keyboards which have been announced nearly every week are due to incredible demand for them. And indeed, they rock! At least the BB ones.

Graffiti is fine for bursts of 20-30wpm but a thumb keyboard will get you sustained 30wpm within only a few minutes of practice. If you engage autotext and autocapping, it's just vroom even beyond that. And remember you have two thumbs doing the work, rather than a single stylus. Also I wouldn't call it a "hen peck" -- nobody, once proficient, actually looks at the thumb keyboard while typing.

I don't think there is squat for demand of the phonepad layout. It's abominable. It's also a bit amusing to think of why they would choose it.. to make dialing easier? Duh! Just use the addressbook for dialing. But wouldn't a keyboard make it easier to find a name? Very nonsensical.

RE: Let's look at it from user perspective
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/27/2002 7:17:01 PM #
Look closely at the Treo's keyboard, too. There are keys color-coded in blue that you can use to dial a phone number.

Finally a smartphone with expansion??

ssummer @ 5/23/2002 10:44:44 AM #
I sure hope that's an SD slot we are seeing in the picture of the right side. It would make sense especially if it has an MP3 player built-in. I really don't care if it has 8MB or 16MB, color or B&W, thumboard or not, hi-res or not, OS4 or OS5 (ok well it has to be atleast OS4 for me), all I want is the option to expand...

RE: Finally a smartphone with expansion??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:24:22 AM #
A lot of Japanese FOMA and J-phone come equip with SD.
RE: Finally a smartphone with expansion??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 12:31:31 PM #
I agree. Expansion and an upgradable OS are the things I'd most like to see from the Treo. Maybe this is the one I've been waiting for and not the Treo. Time will tell.
RE: Finally a smartphone with expansion??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 5:50:28 PM #
Yes, It does have an MP3 player, and that slot is for a MMC.
RE: Finally a smartphone with expansion??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 6:01:55 PM #
MMC or SD?
RE: Finally a smartphone with expansion??
Kesh @ 5/24/2002 8:21:43 PM #
Probably an SD/MMC slot, since the only difference is one pin (from what I understand).

Did anyone else notice the camera?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 12:42:49 PM #
Um.. There's a camera lens in the speaker....

I suddenly think this might be fake..

God, I hope it's real.. with decent 1280x1024 camera rez...


No
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:00:55 PM #
I think you have an overactive imaginaction. It's a speaker with a very slight resemblance to a camera.
RE: Did anyone else notice the camera?
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 5/23/2002 1:01:11 PM #
why would anyone want to take pictures of their ear...

RE: Did anyone else notice the camera?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:04:29 PM #
Photoshop says that the circilar shape has a convex reflective center (after PS enhancement). This led me to think it might be a camera.

Yeah, it's probably not a camera but it sure looks like one to me. :)

RE: Did anyone else notice the camera?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:04:58 PM #
Special edition for ear doctor?
RE: Did anyone else notice the camera?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:19:30 PM #
Well.... it could be one of those videophones you see in "technology of the future" things all the time where people are talking to eachother face to face on the color.... clamshell...... smartphones. Ahhh! It's for real!

Screen Looks Black and White to me?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:08:05 PM #
Why is the screen in the sample photo black and white?


RE: Screen Looks Black and White to me?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:21:27 PM #
Read the earlier posts to find out
RE: Screen Looks Black and White to me?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 6:59:29 PM #
It is color guys... :-)
RE: Screen Looks Black and White to me?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 11:34:52 AM #
Well, if they could do one of these for $100 less in B&W, I'd probably just go for that.

MP3 Player

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:29:59 PM #
I'm not so sure about an MP3 player...my logical guess would be that headphone jack is for a hands-free headset....not headphones for listening to music.

Just my opinion of course.

RE: MP3 Player NOT!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 3:39:26 PM #
I think so too -it is just the headset connector remember guys this is a phone first then a PDA and adjust your expectations appropiately.
I have to laugh at those posts trying to imagine the up down volume control buttons on the side as some kind of new jog dial. Get real!!
RE: MP3 Player
Token User @ 5/23/2002 8:06:44 PM #
IF (and ONLY if) the volume is controlled by software rather than hardware, then it is conceivable that someone will write a hack to use those buttons as a jog dial (if its not been implemented in the Kyocera versin of the OS all ready). Until we see this devie in the flesh, (almost) everything is speculation.

Token.

Where's the stylus?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:40:38 PM #
nm
RE: Where's the stylus?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 1:48:27 PM #
RTA

"On the left side is a headphone jack and two buttons which might operate like a jog wheel. Behind it is the opening for the stylus slot. "

RE: Where's the stylus?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:21:47 PM #
Oops, my bad.

Similar design?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:09:19 PM #
Heh, looks very similar to a design I did about a year ago:
http://www.directedge.com/palmos/
RE: Similar design?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:33:25 PM #
Actually, I like yours better. The Kyocera puppy is too thick for my tastes.
RE: Similar design?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 3:05:43 PM #
well sure it *looks* cool, but what engineering reality are you from? Why didn't you just throw in an MP3 player with 20GB HD too ;-)
RE: Similar design?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 3:35:36 PM #
It's just a concept, however, I don't think there's anything on there that's totally over the top. Maybe the size of it, but that's about it.
RE: Similar design?
kady @ 5/23/2002 4:16:43 PM #
Oh, I thought the stylus was that thingy sticking out the top! -)

Do have to say, I love my 6035.

RE: Similar design?
kady @ 5/23/2002 4:18:22 PM #
That was an attempt at a wink. -)

RE: Similar design?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 5:24:11 PM #
if it has bluetooth, why put the PDA inside the phone?

Heck, build the phone into your shoe (Maxwell Smart) and never worry about it again.... Not really but with Bluetooth there's no reason the phone can't be without a user interface and TINY because the PDA is the UI. The PDA stays usable this way.....

Just my opinion.

Locutus

RE: Similar design?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 6:44:17 PM #
Locutus, too many damn devices to carry. Bluetooth doesn't add any more room in my pockets and the only thing going on my belt is my V60.
RE: Similar design?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2002 2:12:04 AM #
you forgot the videocamera! how else are you going to do videoconferencing! Interesting that Sony is building the seeds to this ultimate communicator idea in their NR line...now if they only made a clie with wireless/phone capability

Is the market really there yet?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 4:21:52 PM #
With the carriers finally upgrading their networks, we're starting to see some interesting convirged products (PDA+Cell Phone). Every new product posted on this board seems to get the same reaction - it looks great, I'll buy one today, can't do X that my current obscure PDA does, that company is going to fail tomorrow so don't bother. Does anyone think that the millions of cell phone users just signing up for service are going to use these devices? Are they going to have AOL-type ease of use and expand the market from the people who care enough about these products to read this board and others? Or are the carriers going to price the products and services supporting them so far out of line that only a few will use them? This product seems exciting as do the Treo and a few others since they are bringing to market exciting designs and few look or work the same (read no me-too products here). But until we actually see these in operation we may all be witnessing another WAP letdown.

Pocket PC Phone Edition

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 4:50:07 PM #
I've seen both the Pocket PC Phone edition and the new Kyocera phones recently. The Pocket PC Phone edition is far more usable and the form factor-color screen is stunning.
RE: Pocket PC Phone Edition
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 5:44:51 PM #
did u get it? why not post some comments about it in real use rather than just the demos. i believe in real use, the constant crash, low battery life, bigger size and such would be more a pain that originally imagined.
RE: Pocket PC Phone Edition
TDS Computer @ 5/24/2002 12:00:04 PM #
\\* Begin Sarcasm

The original poster has a point. The new Pocket PC 2002 Phones are Great! I hear the have added a new "Ctrl-alt-del" key right on the keypad for easy resets after crashes! And the bright cartoony graphics of PocketPC 2002 are a real hit with the Middle-school-Pokemon crowd.

\\* End Sarcasm

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Which Service Provider ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 5:54:58 PM #
I hope that Verizon Wireless will offer this great device.
RE: Which Service Provider ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 9:45:29 AM #
I don't get the stream of questions like this regarding "which provider?"? I'm sure it must be a US only thing. I can buy a phone here in Australia and connect it to whatever carrier I like... why can't you?

Not flaming, just interested in how things work...

RE: Which Service Provider ?
Boze @ 5/24/2002 9:57:24 AM #
It's because we have too many mobile communications standards in the U.S. Verizon and Sprint PCS are both CDMA, and I don't think they are even the same flavor of CDMA. In addition, CDMA phones don't have SIM cards like GSM phones in Australia, Europe, and, yes, the U.S. (Cingular, ATT wireless, and Voicestream are GSM carriers here). To make matters worse, some of the major GSM providers are still using a third older standard, TDMA, in some U.S. markets. It's a real mess.

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RE: Which Service Provider ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 6:05:29 PM #
For US cell phone networks, there's also Nextel's iDEN lots of companies where people work in teams (industries like construction, computer technicians, etc.) issue them to staffmembers. They have a walkie-talkie-like capability called Direct Connect--but unlike a typical walkie-talkie, this works anywhere in your local calling area.

Nextel is also changing their network to CDMA, but it's not clear how long that will take.

I mention this b/c I think a Palm OS smartphone on Nextel's network would be a great combination. For one thing, the Direct Connect feature means you need to have a number (different than the phone number) keyed in to a list--so the other person needs to know where to find it. Instead, imagine beaming this as part of your business card! Apart from the question of size (most of Nextel's phones are really big--i.e. bigger than a Palm III), but there are 2 or 3 that are more comparable to standard cell phone--there shouldn't be any real difficulties. And based on the size of some of these smartphones and the size of Nextel's smallest phone, size shouldn't be a problem either.

data capabilities...

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 6:38:53 PM #
I wonder what it's web capabilities will be?
RE: data capabilities...
TDS Computer @ 5/24/2002 12:05:35 PM #
The Original Kyocera 6035 came with some Web Browsing and Email software (Multimail for the Email, I can't remember which for the Web). I have also set these phones up with Eudora, and it works great. You just have to have a Data Enabled account with your provider or an ISP to dial into. It works pretty smooth, although the connection is limited to 14.4K on a good day.


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RE: data capabilities...
jimski @ 5/24/2002 5:51:17 PM #
Actually the 6035 came with Eudora Mail and Eudora Web as built in applications. I currently use MultiMail and DPWeb for web browsing along with dozens of other web clipping applications without any problems. I assume this new phone will work pretty much the same.

And yes, 14.4 is on a "very good day". I am looking forward to being able to enter a query and get an answer, not wait for the phone to connect, browse for the information, etc., etc., etc. Hurry up with that GSM in the New York Metro area.

RE: data capabilities...
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 8:22:35 PM #
Just started using the Verizon 1x with an IPAQ. It is pretty sweet. Getting 140K+ downloads and 40-80K uploads

Too bad about the picture

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 11:05:35 PM #
Wish the Kyo folks had let you keep the pic up, Ed. Without it, the article is somewhat abstract. I do think, though, that since they 'asked' you to pull the pic, that lends even more credence to the whole thing. Let's hope this arrives soon.

Kyocera didn't want more bad press!

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 12:10:18 AM #
Now they want the photos down b/c they're getting slack for designing a phone that is that only. No one can use that small screen, it's a third of a m100 screen! You may as well just put a regular OS that Nokia and Motorola use. Scroll through some names and numbers and that's it. Scroll, scroll, scroll.

Thanks but no thanks. I'll carry 2 devices. Give it up.

RE: Kyocera didn't want more bad press!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 12:57:19 AM #
Hey screwhead, it's the same size screen that was in the 6035. Get a grip. This is for people that want a phone and PDA in one. NO need for cables or anything, just one piece for calls, internet and email.
RE: Kyocera didn't want more bad press!
jimski @ 5/24/2002 6:04:07 PM #
Right, another 6035 clone phone. They should give this up and work on a Bluetooth enabled phone with a nice bright (although small) screen for scrolling through phone numbers. That's why it's called a phone.

RE: Kyocera didn't want more bad press!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/15/2002 11:58:42 AM #
it's not a phone, but rather a smartphone. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's not for you anyway.

Oh, and yeah, bluetooth is so widely used, I can see the demand for it. Give me a break. At least the smartphone has a usefull nitch.

cdma or gsm?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 4:21:36 AM #
can someone tell me if its going to work on cdma or gsm.
ans if its gsm is it 900/1900?

RE: cdma or gsm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 6:49:04 PM #
All of Kyocera's phones are CDMA. They bought the line from Qualcomm, and Qualcomm created CDMA in the first place.

Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 9:02:48 AM #
Ed, are you kissing up to get a demo unit for review? Sad that this site isn't willing to have harmless "underground" content like unauthorized pictures of new models. That's what we come here for. We can already get the news through official channels and massaged by the PR folk at CNet and the like.

RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
TDS Computer @ 5/24/2002 12:08:19 PM #
Kyocera asked him nicely to remove the pictures, so he did. This site is not "The National Enquirer", it is (at least to me) a professionaly run news site.
Good call, Ed.



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RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 1:36:16 PM #
I agree. Man forget this site if you aren't going to publish news. LIKE I COULD SEE THE NY TIMES saying, uhh nope, we won't publish those photos of that new tech device if it makes you nervous.

Later, I'm going over to www.palmunderground.com to see if they have them... or www.palmstation.com


RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 1:54:18 PM #
Good! Please stay in the Palm underground!
I disagree
martianviking @ 5/24/2002 2:02:38 PM #
I think it's a good thing to have this sort of "adult" behavior by a company (Kyocera) and I think that it should be respected and rewarded.

When a company has a gripe and they ask nicely instead of blowing up with threats and lawsuits, that is a good thing. For PIC to respect them and comply is also a good thing, as it will perhaps encourage this sort of behavior. You can still find the pictures out there if you really want them.

RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 5:18:02 PM #
Its kind of funny that Kyocera knows about a smaller site such as PIC and not really bigger ones such as Cnet and palmstation. Why did they take the pictures away from PIC? Because if they took them away from Cnet(Bigger site) they would be starting more **** with them, and they know PIC is weaker and cant do **** about it. Ed, exercise you freedom of speech,do us a favor, repost the pics. PIC is on the internet, not CBS,NBC,ABC. Stand up for your rights. Those pictures arent harming anyone. Ciao!
RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 5:24:06 PM #
under those asterix are the word $hit
RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
Kesh @ 5/24/2002 8:35:53 PM #
>Its kind of funny that Kyocera knows about a smaller site such as PIC and not really bigger ones such as Cnet and palmstation.

It's more funny that neither of those sites has pictures of the device in question. And the pictures in that 'BargainPDA.com' link above are NOT of the Kyocera device we're talking about. It was a flip-style phone with the PDA display on the top half, and Graffiti area + phone dialpad on the bottom. Not the full PDA shown in that link.

As to who it would hurt... apparently Kyocera wasn't ready to show it yet. Perhaps it's just a prototype that will never actually be released... wouldn't that hurt their stock if people get hyped up about a product that later is shown not to exist? Or if it simply won't come out in the form shown? Or if they just want to prevent other handheld/phone manufacturers from getting a leg-up on what Kyocera is planning to release in the future?

I think PIC did the right thing, in the long run.

RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 12:49:53 PM #
Kesh, did you know that there is cool feature in your web browser called "scroll down?" Maybe you'd be happier posting your comments on www.palmformorons.com.

RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 1:50:51 PM #
Kesh -

You were in a little too big of a hurry - WAIT for the large bitmaps in the bottom half of the article to download.

While I didn't see the original PIC pictures, it is undoubted the same device based on all the discriptions here, or one so similar the differences are minor for these discussions.

RE: Put the pictures back -- that's why we're here
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2002 6:26:57 PM #
Where is the "'BargainPDA.com' link above"? I don't see it. Anyway, I scouted for it myself and
found it -- it's:

http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=740

I guess Kyocera hasn't noticed the BargainPDA page or BargainPDA were less willing to bend to
vague threats regarding the DMCA (personally, I can't see how the DMCA applies to this situation).

Return for taking off pictures

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 3:35:05 PM #
Dear Ed,
If you agreed to take off the pictures, you should of asked them for some more details on the device, like the expected relese date or will it have a voice recorder, etc. I belive you did asked Kyocera some information, and I hope you will share them with us soon.

Removal of pics

PIC mobile user @ 5/24/2002 4:21:18 PM #
In a day where so many media take pride in pre-empting all they can when it comes to upcoming corporate (especially product-related) announcements with little regard for anything but scoopin' rival media outlets, I salute PIC for pulling the pics even if it didn't have to. What goes around comes around, I hope some company takes note of this gesture and chooses PIC to break even a bigger Palm news item.

GSM/GPRS, or CDMA?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 1:07:29 AM #
I hope to get a T3 with GSM/GPRS.
RE: GSM/GPRS, or CDMA?
Bruno @ 5/27/2002 7:15:44 AM #
For sure, European and Asian market are expecting GSM. The only Palm OS smartphone available for us is Treo. Although it's very attractive, it needs some competitors to improve the features and lower the price.

Bruno

what's in a name?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 5:29:23 PM #
T3 -- is that the name? What name would you give a device like this that looks so cool?

Dollars-to-donuts...avaliable through Sprint PCS in 2 months

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/26/2002 6:22:50 PM #
Based upon an intriguing streak of coincidences, I'm willing to bet this phone will be offered by Sprint PCS in the next 2-3 months.

Consider:

1) Sprint is rolling out their new "3G" network in about 2 months.

2) The Kyo 6035 is no longer available on Sprint's website.

3) Sprint's new 3G network will be CDMA, as are Kyocera's smartphones.

Time will tell...

RE: Dollars-to-donuts...avaliable through Sprint PCS in 2 months
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 9:55:15 AM #
I really hope you're right. What most people don't seem to catch is that not all phones are available for all service providers. Since I'm a Sprint user, a Treo isn't currently an (available) option for me.


RE: Dollars-to-donuts...avaliable through Sprint PCS in 2 months
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/28/2002 10:55:27 AM #
the new CDMA Treo will be offered by Sprint this summer

Was this the Pocket Cosmos?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/29/2002 9:49:46 PM #
I didn't get to see the image or article before it was pulled. Is it the same item that's now posted at several news sites titled Pocket Cosmos? The best image I've located is at http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,100946,00.asp
RE: Was this the Pocket Cosmos?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2002 2:19:00 AM #
no this is a tiny Palm based phone. It's a fliptop with the screen on one part and the graffiti area and touchpad on the other. The touchpad isn't a regular keyboard but rather like the one on regular cellphones where the letters and numbers are mixed together. It was hard to see how many colors it is capable of displaying.

link to picture

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/22/2002 9:53:28 PM #
A lot of the links to pictures of this device are of pages that have been censored by Kyocera's legal department. For anyone who catches this post before Kyocera does, I found this link with a picture still up:

Kyocera 7135
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3E223451

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