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Samsung is demonstrating a new smartphone at CommunicAsia2002 in Singapore and some facts about it have begun to appear on the Web, though the information is, as yet, incomplete. The device, called the Bluechip, has a clamshell shape. It has a color screen and hardware buttons on one side and the Graffiti area, rocker switch, and telephone dial pad on the other. It runs Palm OS 4.1. It is not yet known when this device will be available or at what price.

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Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 8:44:42 AM #

Funny that both Kyocera and Samsung's new models are clamshells with the screen on one side and the graffiti area on the other. Did they work together? Independent research? Industrial espionage? Maybe that's the best way to do it.

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

quake97 @ 6/21/2002 9:33:32 AM #

I think that's just the next evolution to make smartphones smaller. I am pretty sure those two models will be thinner and smaller than the Treo. From most of the non-Treo users and non-PDA users I've talked to, they think the Treo is too big. So Samsung and Kyocera probably have something.

Joe

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

sford @ 6/21/2002 10:27:29 AM #

What new Kyocera phone??

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

Ed @ 6/21/2002 10:33:36 AM #

A few weeks ago, pictures and details on a new Kyocera smartphone were leaked to PIC. Kyocera was very unhappy and had their lawyers send us a cease and desist order which is why the information isn't available on the site any more. You can still read the comments on it, though:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3513

This is the strongest any company has ever reacted to us "outing" one of their products.

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RE: Looks Like Kyocera

terrysalmi @ 6/21/2002 10:43:05 AM #

I think that Kyocera was put on the original pictures just to make them look and seem real, w/out giving away the real company: the person who started the rumor probably did that so that Samsung would not get suspicious at them...

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

sford @ 6/21/2002 11:35:41 AM #

Oh yeah...I remember that. Thanks, Ed!

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

Ed @ 6/21/2002 11:55:10 AM #

> I think that Kyocera was put on the original pictures just to make them look
> and seem real, w/out giving away the real company

Terry, the Kyocera device looked similar to this but not the same.

It is frustrating to me that I can't show you the Kyocera device but unless you all want to kick in some serious money for a lawyer, there's not much I can do about it.

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RE: Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 12:10:04 PM #

How the hell can a news article violate the DMCA?

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 3:44:18 PM #

It doesn't, you tool. I violates intellectual property and patent protection type laws.

DMCA, my !@#!@$

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 5:29:02 PM #

I think I prefer the Kyocera design with the app buttons below the Graffiti area plus with what appears to be a SD slot. However, it would have to be 3G before I'd go for it.

P.S. Glad I saved the images before they were removed.

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:32:52 PM #

http://www.misspda.com/news/content.asp?idx=1797&page=6

Kyo has (apparently) SD and better PIM button placement.

Samsung is smaller (judging from LCD size compared to rest of the body) and brighter LCD and separate status bar area up top.

Who'll be out first, that's what I wanna know

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/22/2002 11:46:32 AM #

All four photos of Kyocera smartphone:

http://www.palmq.net/article.php?sid=687

RE: Looks Like Kyocera

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 4:14:36 PM #

Kyocera photos from their website:
www.kyocera-wireless.com/showroom/showcase/coming_soon.htm

good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 8:29:38 AM #

I like the big screen. But I like my PDA for work and phone for my social life. I want them seperate.

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 8:33:43 AM #

I like your comment. It is all too often that people say, "this phone sucks!", or "no one will buy it", et cetera. I like how you, unlike many others at this forum, are willing to say that it's nice, but that it doesn't fit in with your usage patterns, and not that it sucks, or that palm blows and samsung rules or something of that nature

good for me

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 9:10:18 AM #

I tried the "separate" approach and it didn't work for me. it seemed that when i needed the PDA I only had my phone with me. I now carry a Treo 180 and love it. It small and I can carry all my information (and games of course) with me all the time. I only wish the screen was color but i can upgrade at the end of the year for a color treo or a new Palm smartphone (or perhaps a WinCE Smartphone).

Combo Device one Step Behind

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 9:32:37 AM #

This is a really cool looking device. I just hate how all the combo devices are always one step behind the PDAs. What I really want is the equiv of a Treo with 320x320 color screen, SD card, 16MB+ built in RAM and OS 5. But alas.....
Hotoru

Sweet

sandbuck @ 6/21/2002 9:33:53 AM #

This is the first hybrid device that makes consider buying one. I still think that PDAs and phones are at their best as separate devices. But this device has a very appeling design.

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 9:39:19 AM #

I agree with the first poster, but then again, I disagree. I used to want to just have a phone and a PDA separate, but now I think that what I really want is a phone that has mini-PDA functions, and a full size PDA that can do the spreadsheets and whatnot. This phone seems small enough to fit my social needs while still having full-PDA function. I don't know that I'd need to have another PDA, but maybe this and a slim laptop would be a good combo.

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 9:39:19 AM #

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:16:08 AM #

How about a PDA that can connect to the cellular system, and the "phone" isn't really a phone at all, just a bluetooth headset that uses the PDA to access the phone system. Think of your current PDA with an antenna, no flip or anything else to make it look like a phone.

The concept of a dedicated phone will disappear. Just look at sci-fi, no one uses a phone, they all have little communicator buttons or something. Reality typically follows sci-fi.

orev

What I want

pontif @ 6/21/2002 11:20:10 AM #

This looks good, but I'll have to say, I used to believe I wanted separate devices. Now I think I'd consider, and perhaps prefer, a combo device -- provided I don't have to compromise on the pda functionality. For me to consider it, I want 320x320 res, decent screen size, and a memory expansion slot (SD or MemStick is fine w/me. Don't care which, as long as it works!) And at least 16mb memory.

I'm starting to think my ideal might be a Sony NR70 with phone capability built in. (Note that I don't have an NR70, so I'm not biased based on that!)

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 2:04:41 PM #

All you need is a device that accepts a SIM card. That way, you can use the PDA/Phone combo in the day, and then switch the SIM card into a small, cool phone when that's all you need. I'm not sure the Treo 270 works on the GSM network, but that would be ideal.

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 2:47:10 PM #

I agree with the sci-fi remark. I want the 'phone guts' to fit into a standard PDA frame. I don't even care if it's initially wireless - just give me a handsfree headset to connect to my PDA (N760). When wireless becomes affordable, then I'll switch (and surely upgrade). In my state (NY), we're legally required to have hands-free kits, so I'm halfway there. Just eliminate hauling the phone about. And, then I can get my wireless e-mail & SMS & browsing right through the PDA.

Can it be done? And when?! :) Enquiring minds are waiting, and saving up dough...

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 2:53:05 PM #

The Treo 270 is GSM, and willbe upgradeable to GPRS.

RE: good but bad

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 6:22:49 PM #

I use my PDA all the time for reading, PIM, e-mail and games. I think it might be odd to have to stare at an open phone all the time while reading a book. I like having a keyboard to enter long text messages.

I still think that a nice color PDA with BT and a tiny BT phone are ideal.

THEN YOU WANT THE XDA

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 11:10:04 AM #

XDA gives you all of this, today.

Keyboards

robrecht @ 6/21/2002 9:18:11 AM #

This is a nice option for those who do not like the thumbboards on the Treo. Any way to hook up a full size, folding keyboard to this for writing longer emails?

Thanks, Robrecht

RE: Keyboards

Ed @ 6/21/2002 9:25:39 AM #

Samsung is at least aware that keyboards are important. It released a version of the SnapNType for the I300 last month:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3521
At this point, there's no way to know if they will do anything like that for the Bluechip.

I see the number pad has the alphabet printed on it. I wonder if this phone will allow you to type with the keypad. I don't think this is nearly as easy to use as Graffiti but I know some people who do a lot of SMS on their mobile phones and they are ridiculously fast entering letters on a number pad.

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RE: Really Need Full-Size Keyboards

robrecht @ 6/21/2002 10:13:31 AM #

Ed, didn't you have an item 'bout a year ago about someone who was developing cables to connect full-size, folding keyboards to different devices?

Thanks, Robrecht

Can it type like Text Msg using Num PAD?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 11:55:21 AM #

I think the easiest way to type with one hand is the Text messeging style by using the number pad. I hope it can always work like that.

i love the design and its better than the previous samsung! they hit off the perfect design for a smartphone this time

RE: Can it type like Text Msg using Num PAD?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 12:07:05 PM #

You know that's an interesting point. If they were clever, they'd have the keypad optionally be active for text input with T9.

Auto-Off of the number board

costein @ 6/21/2002 12:44:20 PM #

If and when this phone hits Europe on a dual- or even Tri-Band mode I hope that the company thought enough to shut off the num-pad (let's say automatically) once you start writing on the graffiti-pad.
From what I can gather from the picture, that num-pad looks like it will be in the way when you try to rest a portion of your hand on the lower portion of the phone (on the num-pad), that may trigger numbers or other characters unwantingly and could be a pain in the yahoo in the longrun, when trying to use the phone/palm to the fullest.
Otherwise an interesing form. The Treo doesn't hack it (sorry for the Palm related pun). It seemed to me to be too fragile.

Ta4n,
costein

RE: Keyboards,, yeah i forgot that one.

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 8:44:36 PM #

YEah you are right. the device should deactivate the keys on the numpad when starting to use grafitti. but the text input is crucial for me since i am used to texting, and people around the world are getting used to texting esp asia and europe. more and more people will be used to it

Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:19:08 AM #

I certainly think that this is an awkward looking device. The design concept just does not seem right. The design for the Treo is still the best I have seen. Of course The Graffiti worshippers would think differently.

RE: Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 11:45:07 AM #

How can you say this is and awkward design? All the did was take the Motarola StartTac, Timeport line and added the pda to it, this is brilliant. Not only does it resember one of the best selling cell phones of all time, it is small and so much bettre looking then the treo. I think this phone will sell like crazy, now if the pricing is the same as the trio, that we will have to wait and see.

RE: Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 12:27:48 PM #

Most people like the keyboard on smart phones because they can enter number fast without having to use an stylus (or get the screen dirty with fingerprints). Most Palm Os users find the best option to be a handhed with graffity and a full size or folding keyboard to do touch typing.

Also the term "graffity worshipers" is ridiculous when graffity has been the standard input method in the Palm OS for years. thumboards have just begun to appear.

Also if you don't like grafity you can use Jot (similar to the input method on PPC) or Simpliwrite. These are natural letters recognizers that work great.

RE: Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 8:54:33 PM #

The ergonomics aint right on thr thing. The I bet any moeny that it will be odd to write graffiti where the graffiti pad is located. I alsop bet anymoeny that people will be complaining about smudge on the screen. This thing is a phone with a PDA thing attached. There is no real integration. I doubt Handspring has anything to worry about when it comes to this device. Lets wee what Kyoecera come up with.

RE: Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:38:25 PM #

Huh? You are leaps ahead of me. Where do you get your conclusions that this isn't as well integrated as the Treo? If it's no worse that i300 than it should be pretty well integrated, with address book and voice fns and such. Samsung has T9 on some of its handsets, and this should include it as well. T9 is actually faster than thumboard, and you don't have to type as many keys since there is prediction. The buttons, however, they did screw up big time...

RE: Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/22/2002 8:50:02 AM #

"Graffiti worshippers"????

I'll bet dollars to donuts you thumbpad worshippers haven't pitched your pc's mouse in the trash. Why not? Why use the mouse when you have the nice keyboard in front of you? Folks that have no use for a stylus and Graffiti are folks that use a pda for one thing - typing novels. Anyone, ANYONE who uses a pda to navigate a database and make quick entries/changes will want Graffiti available. I will never consider any pda without Graffiti or something similar. I'll write the next War and Peace on my pc.

RE: Awkward design

Kesh @ 6/22/2002 10:38:38 PM #

It's nice how you make a completely erronious analogy and treat it as gospel.

Do you actually write with the mouse? No? Then why use it in your example?

The mouse is for pointing and clicking. The stylus is for pointing and clicking. If you want to argue that it's quicker to move the stylus from a Graffiti area to the main screen, that's different from your analogy.

And please take your "War and Peace" argument somewhere else. It's even worse. ;)

RE: Awkward design

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/23/2002 11:37:41 AM #

>If you want to argue that it's quicker to move the
>stylus from a Graffiti area to the main screen,
>that's different from your analogy.

True, it is quicker. Thanks for pointing that out. One more reason not to abandon Graffiti. My mouse analogy stands, though. There are those of us that do not want to go from stylus (as in pointing and clicking) to a keyboard (as in thumbing and thumbing). As the mouse/keyboard combo works on the pc, so does the stylus/Graffiti combo on a PDA. I give a rat's butt whether Handspring or anyone else makes a PDA without Graffiti...more power to them. But I will speak out for those of us (and I think it's the vast majority) who possess the manual dexterity to master Graffiti and find it an indispensable tool.

Good luck with the novel.

RE: Awkward design

Bartman007 @ 7/16/2002 11:41:23 AM #

Hah...

This guy is just laying out flamebait, and yolu guys are eating it up. If this guy is truely behind his arguement he should have registered. As it is now he hides behind the cloak of anomimity. (sp?)

-Bartman007

Not good for gaming

bcombee @ 6/21/2002 10:44:56 AM #

The placement of the four app buttons below the screen and away from the up/down button makes this device really awkward for any kind of action gaming, IMHO. Although if Samsung was smart enough to have the telephone keypad actually active in Palm OS (returning real hard key codes to programs), it could turn out to be really nice, supporting action games using 2/4/6/8.

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RE: Not good for gaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 11:47:55 AM #

WHO CARES ABOUT GAMING, you can only do so much with a phone/pda, this phone looks like the startac, that only will take it above the treo. If you want gaming buy a gameboy

RE: Not good for gaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 11:58:34 AM #

Well DUHH it is a phone PDA not a gamebox pda.
I like it and think this type device is very usefull.
Those saying it doesnt have enough resolution or sound to be usefull are totally clueless as to what this is. What we do need and what I keep arguing for is another device to fit gameing and music needs. A tablet pc with a larger screen and speakers but still smaller than a laptop with builtin wireless connectivity. A hires color screen and mp3 would make sense for that kind of device.

RE: Not good for gaming

Midknyte @ 6/21/2002 12:51:57 PM #

Not terribly game friendly, true. But I really like the "out of the box" thinking with the design (moving the grafitti to the other half of the shell). The rearrangement of real estate allows for a more compact, less awkward design.

RE: Not good for gaming

kevdo @ 6/21/2002 5:47:55 PM #

Comments regarding the buttons are extremely relevant, especially since the Kyocera model is going to get them right and Samsung has it wrong...

While it is true that some folks don't care about gaming, it would have been so easy to place the up/down buttons in between the rest of the hardware buttons. After all, Kyocera did...

-Kevin Crossman

RE: Not good for gaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:41:31 PM #

Samsung looks smaller, hance less real estate to work with, but I agree that's no excuse. Why do every innovative Palm licensee mess with the PIM buttons and get it all wrong? Could it be that difficult? 4 big, pressable buttons with separate up/down buttons in the middle, is that so much to ask, Samsung and Sony?

RE: Not good for gaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 4:22:56 PM #

excuses excuses...look at the kyocera phone. it has decent looking buttons

RE: Not good for gaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 4:34:50 PM #

the kyocera is much larger look at the stats.

RE: Not good for gaming

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 3:00:52 AM #

you are right. the kyocera has lots of features but much bigger

Graffiti and Memory Expansion

bobes @ 6/21/2002 12:34:26 PM #

Would it be a bit difficult to write graffiti above the numeric keypad?

Also, Is there any kind of memory expansion?

RE: Graffiti and Memory Expansion

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 2:04:33 PM #

Its a PHONE dummy then a PDA. When was the last time you upgraded the memory of your phone if ever!
Geesh!

RE: Graffiti and Memory Expansion

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 3:07:35 PM #

It isn't a just phone, its also a handheld and handhelds need memory expansion.

RE: Graffiti and Memory Expansion

bobes @ 6/21/2002 4:50:26 PM #

what I meant by memory expansion was whether or not it took MS/SD/CF expansion.

Chill out

RE: Graffiti and Memory Expansion

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:36:01 PM #

>>Its a PHONE dummy then a PDA. When was the last time you upgraded the memory of your phone if ever!
Geesh!

Uhh - moron its not just a phone - if it was just a phone it wouldn't have palm os in it. this is designed to replace the need to carry 2 devices - a pda and a phone. so the guy who posted above is not a 'dummy' just because he wondered if this device had a standard pda feature. you are the 'dummy' for saying something so stupid - half the people on this site - palm os users - consider upgradability to be a relevant pda feature. After all - from the kyocera photos a few weeks ago - it appears that kyocera's new smartphone has it. further - i dont give a crap what you do with yr pda - i require more memory for what i do AND i don't want to carry a phone and a pda. And i am not the only one so - guess what?- there' a demand.

RE: Graffiti and Memory Expansion

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:36:01 PM #

>>>Its a PHONE dummy then a PDA. When was the last time you upgraded the memory of your phone if ever!
Geesh!

sorry - i had to write more because this is the dumbest comment i have seen on PIC ever. 'when was the last time you upgraded the memory of your phone if ever! Geesh!' never - because my phone never had a real os - until now - and i couldn't download / purchase software for it. moron.

RE: Graffiti and Memory Expansion

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/22/2002 2:24:44 PM #

I'm surrounded by idiots. Unless you are all incredibly intelligent, you trolls all missed the blatant sarcasm. I actually laughed, while you missed the joke.

Pass

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 12:50:36 PM #

Nope, this isn't going to cut it. I want OS 5, or a Pocket PC phone edition. The current Palm OS with a phone slapped into it is weak, really weak. I returned teh Treo, looking forward to the fastest phone PDA. Voicestream might get my dollars, or Palm. Whoever gets it out first.

who cares about what you want?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 1:14:00 PM #

go home and dream

RE: Pass

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 4:24:05 PM #

Why do you care about OS5? It doesn't look like it will do anything more than OS4.

RE: Pass

abosco @ 6/22/2002 12:36:39 AM #

Here we go again!

"Why do you care about OS5? It doesn't look like it will do anything more than OS4."

We are entitled to our opinion, but a dumb comment like this deserves to be trashed. OS 4 is basically OS 3 restructured to take advantage of memory expansion (sd/mmc etc). OS 5 is going to run off entirely different processors that can go at speeds up to 400 mhz in the instance of the Intel's X-scale said to be coming in Palms the beginning of 2003. Or they can go at up to 200 mhz through TI's omap processor which will be in Palms coming out this summer. OS 5 supports better sound and picture quality which means we can now have high quality media and games without having to go nuts and spend $600 on a Sony (no offense). Yes, OS 5 will be expensive. Yes, there may not be a big difference on some handhelds, but the bottom line is that it SUPPORTS much greater capabilities never thought imaginable in a handheld.

-Bosco

RE: Pass

AWhistler @ 6/24/2002 8:00:39 AM #

Sorry, but again, the comment about not doing more than OS4 *IS* relevant to this discussion. While OS5 PROMISES to deliver a lot more than any OS4 device, it won't do it for about a year (my guess). By that time somebody else will have a new model of this kind of PDA/phone out and it will be time to upgrade anyway. So OS5 really doesn't matter for this kind of device.

Now theoretically, for just a PDA, the OS5 arguement makes sense because people are supposed to keep their PDA for more than a year. I say theoretically because it seems the folks here don't have their PDA's more than a couple of months before thy upgreade to the latest and greatest.

As for me, I don't care what OS it runs as long as the DEVICE has the features I want at the price I want. The only feature my PDA lacks is color, but it has many more features to make up for that. Color is the only reason I would upgrade. Now if someone wants to buy me a PDA as a gift that plays MP3's and movies, I won't say No. My PDA runs OS 3.5.3 (you probably know what I have).

As for the cell phone/PDA combo...I want a headphone/microphone jack on mine so that I can use it as a phone *AND* a PDA at the same time before I go out and buy one.

Smartphone VS Wireless Palm

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 12:41:16 PM #

As a current Kyocera 6035 owner, I find this Bluechip to have great appeal. It follows the 6035 in that it is primarily a phone, but has the Palm organizational tools and data management built in, hence the term Smartphone. This is different than something like the Treo, which seems to be more tailored for the wireless web/email side of things, for which a thumb keyboard is more appropriate. Both have their strengths & weaknesses; it all depends on the individual user's needs. In my case, I need a Smartphone.

I, for one, have only two complaints about the 6035, both of which have been addressed by the Bluechip: bulk, and screen protection. I am quite proficient at graffiti, and it works fine for contact entry and datebook appointments. I am also a big fan of a physical dialpad rather than a virtual one. I've played with the Samsung SPH-I300 at a Sprint store, and trying to dial on the screen with my fingertips just doesen't seem to work for me, plus I don't like getting fingerprints on the screen. And having to pull out a stylus just to dial a number is, in my opinion, very time consuming and annoying.

Anyhow, this Bluechip seems to be just the ticket for someone looking for a Smartphone that's compact, has graffiti and a dialpad, and protects the entire screen when closed. And the addition of color only makes it more appealing.

RE: Smartphone VS Wireless Palm

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/23/2002 9:58:24 AM #

I think that the bluechip looks like a wonderful smartphone! It's on the right track for what I'm looking for. OS5, a highresolution screen, at least 16MB of internal memory, and a memory stick/chip would make this phone complete.

RE: Smartphone VS Wireless Palm

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/23/2002 10:14:44 PM #

The 6035 has been a good unit. Color, more memory, and protected keypad are the keys to improving it. Keep it coming and keep the price down.

Finally I can get new phone and pda

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 1:28:48 PM #

I have been waiting for a pda that looks like a phone. And now it seems the wait is over. I currently have a timport and love it. This new design looks just like it so that make me really happy. Hopefully the key pad can be used to imput text, I assume it will since all new phones work that way. I can't wait for this :)

Screen resolution

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 2:01:36 PM #

It almost certainly uses standard 160x160 resolution.
The actual shape and size of the pixels may influence the screen dimensions however.

RE: Screen resolution

kezza @ 6/21/2002 2:15:17 PM #

it doesn't have the standard 1:1 ratio. If you look closely, the top of the screen has a 160x10 pixel area to show battery life, connection, etc. i'm assuming this will sit above all applications (as it is stiiting above the launcher in this picture), and won't behave as usable screen real estate.
Also, it kinda looks like this picture may have been taken at a strange angle.

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RE: Screen resolution

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 4:36:44 PM #

The vertical resolution is slightly larger than
160 to accomodate the status bar on top...

What about i330?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/21/2002 10:43:54 PM #

Now that Samsung has let this out of the bag, what happens to the i330? Is it DOA, or will it be MIA? Would you chose i330 over this clamshell, assuming pricing is similar?

Me, I'ld take the clamshell just like that...

RE: What about i330?

twizza @ 6/22/2002 3:59:54 PM #

the smart move would be to have both. the palm/phone [i330] for those that want more phone form than palm; and the one above for those that want more palm than phone. either way i am sure that u will be getting a >$500 device.

RE: What about i330?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 1:22:05 AM #

I think you mean the opposite. The I330 with its relatively larger touch screen, lack of a hard keypad, and its larger size would be for those who value the PDA side more than the phone and the Samsung Bluechip with its small clamshell/flip design, traditional, hard phone keypad, and its smaller screen would be for those who value phone functions more than a PDA.

at least you can tell this is color unlike the kyo

drw @ 6/22/2002 12:35:24 AM #

they tried to tell us that the kyoTAC was color, but looking at both pictures side by side really shows the difference.

You want expansion? Get a real PDA. You want to access hundreds of contacts with multiple numbers for each contact? Get a smartphone.

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: at least you can tell this is color unlike the kyo

twizza @ 6/22/2002 3:56:03 PM #

actually they both are color. i have both pics and since i like photoshop so much i balanced out the color levels. the samsung has its backlight on which makes it look like a better color screen. actually it looks more the the m130 with its backlight on. the kyocera is like the m515 with its backlight off. it is clearly a color screen. i posted the 2 pics side by side over da pdabuzz.com ... jsut do a search for the new samsumg phone.

also in terms of expansion. it seems that the both mught take expansion. all i wanna know now is when and where can i get one to replace my nokia + m515 :D

RE: at least you can tell this is color unlike the kyo

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/22/2002 8:37:46 PM #

You've lost me. What makes you say one is like m130 with LCD on (passive LCD) while another is m515 with LCD off (active LCD)? I couldn't find your post in the Buzz... I don't see any information about SD in Bluechip, are you sure that Bluechip has SD slot?

RE: at least you can tell this is color unlike the kyo

twizza @ 6/22/2002 11:15:57 PM #

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You've lost me. What makes you say one is like m130 with LCD on (passive LCD) while another is m515 with LCD off (active LCD)? I couldn't find your post in the Buzz... I don't see any information about SD in Bluechip, are you sure that Bluechip has SD slot?
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i dont mean similar in terms of the screen technology but just in terms of what we see in teh pics.

i am not aware that either have external memory slots but it seems from the pics that the kyocera has one. i am sure that it might be a possiblity for the samsung as well. :-/

look up twizza @ da buzz...i am there :D

RE: at least you can tell this is color unlike the kyo

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 4:12:38 PM #

Kyocera is color. Definitely.
www.kyocera-wireless.com/showroom/showcase/coming_soon.htm

RE: at least you can tell this is color unlike the kyo

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 4:26:49 PM #

now we know why Kyocera's lawyers gave PIC all that heat for posting the earlier pics. The new kyocera has 16 bit color but you couldn't tell it had any color from the censored pics

I've Seen It

mashby @ 6/22/2002 4:47:20 PM #

At PalmSource last February, I had the luxury of seeing the prototype of this device and I have to say that I was blown away. It is very slender and reminded me a lot of the Palm Vx in it's over all "sexy-ness."

I hadn't seen the Kyocera model, so I thought that the grafitti being in a different section was unique. I didn't get to play with it much, but it felt REALLY good in your hand and felt like it to truly be a great all-in-one device if you like those sorts of things.

This device could really give the Treo a run for it's money. :D