Comments on: Quickies: 512MB SD Cards, Demo Contest, JackFlash, and More

I-O Data has announced 256MB and 512MB SD memory cards. These should be available in August. Pricing has not yet been announced. -Many

Mobile Wizadry has chosen the finalists for the PalmOS Demo Programming Competition. These were designed to show off the technical and artistic skills of their developers and are available for download. Voting for the winners is open to the public. -Aaron Ardiri

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SD Cards

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 11:28:08 AM #
This is great news. When the advanced OS 5 models come out, they can be put to use.
RE: SD Cards
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 11:31:57 AM #
I could put it to use NOW,.. only have 20Mb free on my 128Mb card.

SD card pricing

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 11:12:53 AM #
I found the Sandisk 256 and 512 cards listed at another website, but they were not yet available of course. The price was what gagged me... over $700 for the 512 version. I will NOT be an early adopter this time!
Available some time back
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 2:28:05 PM #
the 512 was available atleast 2 or 3 months back in singapore for singapore$800
RE: SD card pricing
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2002 12:21:23 AM #
Gaging???...what are you talking about - the 256 is for around 200 $ and 512 for around 450 ....I think that is quite someone else mentioned here - 512 IS half a gig....

Holy Cow!

nXt @ 7/10/2002 11:43:37 AM #
Wow, these "demos" are awesome! Brings me back to the old days! I'm glad this "scene" is in the Palm now!

Too bad the TSABros didn't enter their "DragonDemo" into the competition (high res demo, released a LONG time ago for the Clie)

nXt's Clie Club
Place To Be For Sony Clie Discussion

Where's the 128MB MS?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 11:43:05 AM #
So now SD is up to 512MB... Sony, where is the 256MB Memory Stick we've been waiting for?
RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 11:52:53 AM #
yeah I agree, sony usauly lead and every one else follows. But Sony are really slow here. I wonder if they are having problems with it.
RE: Where's the 256MB MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 11:58:57 AM #
I am waiting for the 256mb too. I will get 128mb for the mean time but i really hate to keep on swapping sticks. if i do that i wouuld probably need a card reader for it.
RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
Ronin @ 7/10/2002 12:01:06 PM #
Speaking of 128MB, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Kingston was releasing a 128MB MMC. Has anyone actually seen this for sale or even seen reports of release?

Also, why is it that all the attention and development seems to be going to SD cards when the MMC cards are actually more consumer friendly, in that, you actually get to use all of the memory that you are buying? SD cards have part of their memory taken by the DRM software built into each card. MMC cards are cheaper and, it seems to me, with some development could be faster and have large capacity.

In the Spirit of Umoja,

RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 12:03:15 PM #
Give me a break get a real memory card. get a secure digital card not a fat cow!!
RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 1:11:02 PM #
"MMC cards are cheaper and, it seems to me, with some development could be faster and have large capacity."

MMC is cheaper, but the speed is another issue. I bought one to see if I should switch, but SD was twice as fast as MMC. I took the MMC back to the store without even leaving the parking lot.

RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
Ronin @ 7/10/2002 3:37:43 PM #
I agree that the current iteration of MMC is slower than SD. And that SD was designed to not only have a faster transfer rate but to allow for future speed increases. But the question is, has MMC reached the technological upper limit of its speed capacity and its storage capacity? If not, then there is room for improvement which does not seem to be occurring at all. Instead we are seeing improvements and discussion of improvements exclusively for SD cards like this items announcement of increased storage capacity.

Certainly, MMC's have not topped out at 64MB and since they have been around longer than SD cards shouldn't we be seeing faster 128MB, 254MB and 512MB capacity MMCs by now?

In the Spirit of Umoja,

RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2002 11:45:35 AM #
In case anyone's interested, Kodak has had 128mb MMCs for a while now. See for details.
RE: Where's the 128MB MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2002 7:10:08 PM #
I could be wrong, but wasn't SD developed as the "next step" of MMC? If not, why would one prefer an MMC card over SD?

Moving into...

abosco @ 7/10/2002 1:04:05 PM #
Seems like now that we have half a gig of memory and faster processors, we are finally moving into the "fourth" generation of handhelds. Although I would never imagine needing more than 10 mb for my own use...

My Palm m105 is my baby, but is that child abuse when I drop it?
RE: Moving into...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 2:19:58 PM #
who are these "we" you are talking about? The rest of handhelds already support 1Gig CF if not bigger PCcard HD.

(the fact that you have no idea what all those space can be used for underline the lateness of Palm app development)

RE: Moving into...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 3:04:41 PM #
....or the fact that Palm OS apps don't need to be bloated space-hogging pigs like there PPC cousins with its bloated space-hogging slow OS
RE: Moving into...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 3:48:53 PM #
we are not talking about application space, but data. Major use of big memory space is to store data. (of course there is also the oft talk about hick ups on how Palm OS only able to run few apps out of Storage card.
Data and content!
Galapagos @ 7/10/2002 7:01:09 PM #
We need large memory cards for content.

When I take my MP3s with me, I want more Musik than on two regular music-CDs. When I use the Kinoma I want to watch a complete movie that takes up approx. 240 MB. I want to take my E-Book-Library with me and use the Palm Reader Dictionary (E-Books = 6 MB, Dictionary = 8 MB).

It's all about content!

Demo programs V.S. HiRes?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 3:02:48 PM #
Most Demo programs do not support Clie at 320x320.

Come on, programmers! It's time to work on HiRes!

It was a technology for more than 16 month old!

The contest is for m505 hardware (160x160)
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 3:19:27 PM #
Read the contest rules: The competition was to have entries optimized for use on an m505. If they could work with other hardware/screen resolutions, fine. But, they needed to run 160x160 no matter what. Considering the filesize restrictions in some of the categories (like 256 bytes - sheesh that's small!), they needed to optimize their code as much as possible... which means leaving out support for hardware that isn't factored into the contest results.

If you can't check them out on your Clie, at least download POSE and an m505 ROM and run them that way. The demos are VERY impressive, and show just the kind of incredible things that can be done with PalmOS when programmers get into the nitty-gritty of coding in assembly language.

If this is what they can do with PalmOS 4, I can't wait to see what the demo coders come up with under OS 5 & 6 on ARM processors!

RE: Demo programs V.S. HiRes?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 6:17:44 PM #
Most of the demos will run just fine on your Clie if you disable Hires assist...
RE: Demo programs V.S. HiRes?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2002 6:35:48 PM #
There's always the Dragon Demo...

RE: Demo programs V.S. HiRes?
ardiri @ 7/10/2002 6:47:32 PM #
i made the rules - so, i can probably answer this one best :)

the demo competition was targeted specifically for the m505 units - as, they are sold worldwide and have a large presence nearly everywhere. sure, they are not the latest and greatest - but, it is something that nearly everyone can get their hands on to do some real time testing of their demos :) lets not forget that the m505 has a seperate display controller which can be tweaked.

we would have really liked to run the contest with the sony units instead - however, sony hasn't put enough effort into making their units "out there" especially within the scandinavian market (where, i am located) and, where most of the demo coders live [at least, in the PC scene] :)

palm demos was a new venture. we were not sure how it would be, what type of applications would be created - but, we are amazed by the results we have! there is definately some cool programs out there - and, most will run on non m505 hardware (if not, there is normally a "GENERIC" version for other units). try them out, vote for them. the top four overall of course win PalmOS based units - not bad for such a small program :)

// az

RE: Demo programs V.S. HiRes?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/11/2002 10:35:28 AM #
Thanks for explaination, ardiri, totally understood.

I am surprised that I didn't hear much Anti-SONY statements after I started the topic for this discussion.

No offense to typical 160 x 160 devices, I just thought if they can do the demo program on 320x320, I believe the result will turn out much better than they are now.




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