Comments on: Rumor: Next-Gen Palm Handheld to Use OMAP1510

I'm tapping all my sources and putting together another article with more info on the Oslo. It should be ready in a day or so depending on what I can find out.

I'm not trying to turn the site into Palm Rumorcenter but until the new OS 5 devices are officially announced, you can expect to see a lot of rumors on them.

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News Editor

Ed,

Great job.

I think lots of people care about the price and
battery life of the new OS5 machines.
If you can find some info, that will be great.

A guess price range like $299-399 is good enough.

Again, thanks for your work.

ted

Wow, this is a great article, keep up the good work Ed.

Peace Out
Alan

Keep your nose to the ground Ed!

$299 ~ $399? Be realistic. Palm will never set the introductory price of a brand new model so low. It is the best time (for Palm) to kill people's wallet...

... my guess would be somewhere around $450, but won't be surprised to see $499. under my current situation, I probably have to stick with my T615 for quite a while...

What I meant is finding out the estimated price range.

I know the price won't be this low.It should be
above $400. But I guess the exact price is
hard to find. So a range will satisfy lots of people's
interest.

ted

Yes, I can't wait either. Exciting stuff is glimmering on the horizon.......

Don't worry too much. A Motorola spokesperson told ZDnet UK in May that the Palm OS 5 handhelds will use roughly half the power as Pocket PC handhelds running the same hardware.

www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3514

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I do remember seeing that statement and certainly believe it possible (it's all we have to go on anyway). The cynic in me however is anxiously awaiting seeing this proven. I just hope the statement wasn't marketing speak.

Actually the T series and the NR series IS BELOW the 3950 in battery life at comparible brightness settings and maybe slightly WORSE than the 3850 and well below the HP568. Actually the only Palm device to have great battery life is the N760c and every color Sony since had PPC battery life. The Prism and the IIIc had pretty lame battery life as well.

RE: Damned if you do....
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 7/18/2002 3:09:54 AM

Actually the T series and the NR series IS BELOW the 3950 in battery life at comparible brightness settings and maybe slightly WORSE than the 3850 and well below the HP568. Actually the only Palm device to have great battery life is the N760c and every color Sony since had PPC battery life. The Prism and the IIIc had pretty lame battery life as well.

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OS 5 NOT OS4 MACHINES WILL BE BETTER THAN PPC MACHINES RUNNING THE SAME HARDWARE!
OR ARE YOU BLIND?

All I can say is what everyone else has heard: within 60 days.

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If you want multimedia, you don't have to wait. Go out and get Sony NR70 or T665.

You would be amazed at MP3, Video, and Photo (NR-70V)

>"If you want multimedia, you don't have to wait. Go out and get Sony NR70 or T665."

No thanks. I'll wait for OS5/ARM based hardware to hit the market. The OSLO looks very innovative, with the exception of Palm's stubborn resistance to software-Graffiti area. :-(

Can't wait!!!

"I'll wait for OS5/ARM based hardware to hit the market."

"Can't wait!!!"

Make up your mind allready!! lol

I'll wait for Sony to do a REAL multimedia Palm with OS5 -- should be out within a month or two....

Huh? I've not seen anywhere where Palm has promissed to market a unit with multimedia capabilities... Only that they have incorporated multimedia hooks/api's in the OS so that other manufactures may choose to do so more easily.

I would say that hoping for a Palm branded multimedia handheld is wishfull thinking, but I won't considering that they long denied that OS5 would offer anything at all in the way of multimedia. I'd sooner bet that they are trying to keep it under wraps - but will not be surprised or dismayed either way...

>"Huh? I've not seen anywhere where Palm has prommissed to market a unit with multimedia capabilities... "

Eric Benhamou was interviewed by CNET a couple months ago. During the discussion he said that multimedia and digital audio were coming to Palm's handhelds. He also said that PalmOS devices would offer features and hardware on par with PocketPC.

Take that for what it's worth.

With a seperate DSP running the audio, I wonder if this incarnation of OS 5 will do multimedia natively. Is it just a Palm with an mp3 player glued on it?

Glued on? Who cares! If the APIs can use it what difference does it make?

Does your computer suck because your CPU does have a built-in 3D graphics engine? It's more efficient to have separate purpose-built modules. The Amiga had a "slow CPU" but it had separate chips to run the other stuff and was the greatest multi-media personal computer of its time.

I'd like to play MP3s and video not get a hit on the CPU.

My "home office" company develops interactive educational multimedia. I can do this now on PPC, but there's no point in developing educational software for that platform. A DSP that does nothing but passive playback is of no use.

>"I can do this now on PPC, but there's no point in developing educational software for that platform."

Why not? Just curious to know your reasons.

Right on. I've got a N760 that I love. But when Sony comes out with an ARM-chip Clie, I'm there...

seconded.

Count me in too!

And I hope 256 and 512 MB Memsticks come out soon

I want to take a full movie with me! :-)
(thanks, Kinoma)

With Sony's track record, I'd say, wait for 2-3 weeks and see Sony's OS5 units. =D

Yes, isn't Sony due for a new model any day now?

This is exactly what I want to say.
It feels a little strange that Sony hasn't anounced
a new Clie for a while. :-)

Was a Smartphone that was promisd or a wireless device (as was my understanding)? The OMAP CPU certainly handles a number of wireless standards ...

IIRC, it's a smartphone focused on data but capable of making voice calls.

Not all of the OMAP platform was built for smartphones. The OMAP710 is T-I's best smartphone chip cause it has a DSP-based GSM/GPRS modem subsystem. The OMAP1510 is for other PDAs.

Palm said in June that they will put out a smartphone this fall. Look for it to have the 710 in it.

if you went to PalmSource 2002 - you would know the answer to this question.

Palm was demonstrating their ARM environment using a 66 and 75Mhz CPUs. information on what PalmOS 5.0 is and how it works internally was made available then. when a real unit is made available is when the full details of what is inside it can be stated. rumors are rumors - but, you can make very good educated guesses if you know what your looking for. time will tell i guess :)

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Like Ed's article says, we've known for months Palm would use T-I chips in their os5 handhelds. But Palm's never said they would only use T-I chips. They are making several models, they could use Motorolla or Intel ones too. We even already know they are planning an Intel based one for next year.

That they are using the 1510 and not the 710 says alot about the Oslo. Mostly that it isn't a smartphone, which some people are still (mistakenly) arguing that it is.

> Not to mention hundreds of people saw PalmOS 5.0 running on a number of
> different ARM CPU's at PalmSource.

You lost me here. That os5 runs on ARM processors has been known and talked about on this site for a couple years.

> Is this really a rumor?

Palm said in December it would be using some un-named TI chip. I think which one is important. Now we know. That is if this rumor is right.

Palm will use TI and Sony will use MX1

The question for simple people like me waiting for AAAAAAGGGGGEESSSS for Palm OS5 is will it be faster than an XScale WindowsCE machine.

I wish soebody would develop an interesting comparison between the two.

From what I've heard, WinCE will only benefit to large extent from Xscale processors when a new version comes out that is optimised for Xscale.
Dont worry, OS5 will work extremly well on these new processors, especially by the sounds of this T.I. processor that Palm chose. But no doubt OS6 will fly, but we need to support the manufacturers and buy their new products so they can make more, and better ones, so I guess what I'm saying is, I won't be holding off.

Yup your right, the PocketPC is not optimised for the Xscale, I was reading some reviews of the new XScale machines and they are marginally faster or at time evens slower than their StrongARM counterparts, and Micro$oft will not be writing a PocketPC update for a long time.

So I just wish Palm and Sony would HURRY UP, I feel sorely tempted by the built-in bluetooth and the multitasking! I timed by good ole M505 for switching between ThinkDb and ISilo and it takes 6 to 7 seconds! Reminds me of the days of the Floppy based IBM Clones...

Come on PALM, GO GO GO, and keep leaking some aspects about your new machines and likewise for Sony who I am sure will release AFTER Palm having worked what Palm are going to do and come up with something better...

Taqi

M$ isn't in a hurry to write this into a new OS because software developers can include optimisations for their apps now. That's what MS is encoraging them to do.

>>That's what MS is encoraging them to do.

I think you mean thats what IBM is encouraging them to do.

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