Comments on: Review: Sony PEG-SJ20, Part I
The SJ20 comes with DataViz's Documents to Go 4.0 Standard Edition so users can access Microsoft Word and Excel files on their handheld.
News Editor Ed Hardy has an initial review of this new model.
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RE: Screen looks colour to me
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Specification
www.sonystyle.com.au/products/index.cfm?catid=0&prodid=PEGSJ20G&s=specifications
RE: Specification
I don't understand your question.
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RE: Specification
--Devan--
RE: Specification
www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?itemid=48761&type=s
It says "USB (cable), Infrared, Memory Stick media slot", and nothing about the infrared port being enhanced.
The Clie Remote Commander doesn't come with it. Check the list of Sony Software that is bundled with it:
CLIÉ™ Paint
CLIÉ™ Photo Stand
Memory Stick Autorun
Memory Stick Backup
Memory Stick Export v. 1.2 (for PC)
Memory Stick Gate
Memory Stick Import
PictureGear™ 4.6 Lite (for PC)
PictureGear™ Pocket
World Alarm Clock
Trust me, I've got the thing right here in my hands. No remote control. Sorry.
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RE: Specification
--Devan--
SL10 Has 8 MB of RAM
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RE: SL10 w/only 2MB RAM?
www.sonystyle.com.au/products/index.cfm?catid=0&prodid=PEGSJ20G&s=specifications
RE: SL10 w/only 2MB RAM?
In any case, neither model has 4 MB of RAM, but the page is kind of poorly worded so that I can see how you could be confused.
It says:
Main Memory 16MB DRAM (15MB available)
Memory (System) 4MB
So the SJ20 has 16 MB of RAM and 4 MB of ROM.
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RE: Memory Stick Access
RE: Memory Stick Access
SJ20 would be a real winner, if only...
Altough that white backlight, and 16MB of RAM sure is tempting. Ed, do you think that the white backlight really makes the SJ20 that much more usable than the T415?
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RE: SJ20 would be a real winner, if only...
> usable than the T415?
Absolutely. It is the difference between being almost unusable and being just fine.
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RE: Cover
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RE: Cover
Maybe I'll have one made with a custom logo.
RE: Cover
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Captain on the Bridge!
a step backwards
It must be the same people that go to a store and buy the brightest TV instead of the one that provides the best picture.
RE: a step backwards
RE: a step backwards
RE: a step backwards
RE: a step backwards
I can read my Palm V display just fine, but my father can't read it at all. But he can read my T615 display with the backlight turned all the way up, which is almost too bright for me. I think two big growth segments are youth and retired people. For many retired people you need a super-bright high-contrast display and the option for thicker fonts, just what the SJ20 looks to have. Wonder why they left off the
IR remote tho, perfect for couch surfers, since that's just a few cents in parts...
The youth market will need a higher-refresh-rate display for gaming, and mp3; maybe a cost reduced t665-like model is in the works?
RE: a step backwards
> display and the option for thicker fonts, just what the SJ20 looks to have.
If the SJ20's screen is anything like the T415, I highly doubt it is either super-bright or high-contrast.
RE: a step backwards
RE: a step backwards
For most uses, the mono screens gave good visibility is daylight or office lighting, with the III series, Visor, and M500 being the most "open" and easy to read.
The difficulty for mono arises when in low light conditions; not bright enough to see clearly, not dark enough to use the backlight.
For color, it depends entirely on which type of technology is used. The devices like the IIIc and the Samsung were good everywhere except sunlight.
The current Sony color devices, the M515, iPaq, and similar devices are good everywhere including direct sunlight (even though the iPaq has the wrong subpixel orientation). However, one of these color devices with the sidelights turned off will not appear quite as "open" as an m500. This is because the screen is below the digitizer and the light distribution lens, and there is often a space betwen the lens and the actual lcd surface. On mono units, there is no lens or gap, so the display is right below the digitizer and glass.
For me, I'm in the half-light conditions too frequently, and also must use color highlighted spreadsheets. For the rest of the family (except the wife), it's mono.
RE: a step backwards
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Captain on the Bridge!
We win
I'm especially amped about the color unit. The day that thing sells at $200 (probably half a year to 8 months later), PocketPC better watch out.
Joe Six Pack will gobble this up.
We don't CARE what models the "average folk" buy.....we merely care that it has the Palm OS.
More penetration, more developer interest, more available products, more choices.
They don't put cup holders in automobiles because people tend to drive while eating a hamburger.
The more the Palm OS penetrates the market, the more useful our devices will be, long term, of course.
We win. We win. We win.
RE: We win
> this particular unit is going for $150 or less. [...]
> the color unit. The day that thing sells at $200
> (probably half a year to 8 months later)
In other words, after Sony discontinues them.
Winner
Nothing but positives will come from these releases.
RE: We win
I'm not disagreeing that they were meant to be sold at low prices. Just making sure you're clear that 6 to 8 months from now, they will be discontinued.
RE: We win
I don't know what you are talking about
RE: We win
You see this guy has this geeky/nerd circle of friends and whoever has the newest and top of the line pda usually gets the most attention. He just wants to be the it-geek in the group. try to understand him please?
GS
RE: We win
> I don't know what you are talking about
The original poster was claiming how great these things are going to sell when the prices are lower 6-8 months from now. Even better that "PocketPC had better watch out" and "Joe Six Pack will gobble this up".
In reality 6-8 months from now, the prices will be lower because these devices will be on closeout. Selling the few remaining devices on closeout does nothing for marketshare.
Nope
You guys are smoking something.
RE: We win
RE: We win
You guys are smoking something"
sony discontinues its clies every few months or so. these things will be history in 8 months. expecially after OS 5 is released.
how many handhelds have sony released this year alone? SEVEN! T415, T615, NR70 NR70v, T665, Sl10, SJ20. and the SJ30 will be number EIGHT!
RE: We win
the T415 was introduced in Nov. 2001. People stopped buying it in October.
RE: We win
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Captain on the Bridge!
It seems that SJ20 is thicker than SL10
RE: It seems that SJ20 is thicker than SL10
www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_SJ20_4_L.jpg
I'm not sure why Sony lists the different thicknesses for the SL10 and SJ20 but, after subtracting 21/32 from 11/16, I got 1/32 or .03 inches. This is about the thickness of a piece of paper so I don't think it is significant
Besides, it turns out you have to take the dimensions on SonyStyle with a grain of salt. According to it, the T665C is the exact same thickness as the T615C, .5 inches. This isn't true. The thickest part of the T665C is actually about .6 inches, which is part of the reason why the two models can't use some of the same hardcases.
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No port on the left-hand side?
RE: No port on the left-hand side?
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Could this be the proof I have been searching for?
RE: Could this be the proof I have been searching for?
LOL
RE: Could this be the proof I have been searching for?
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RE: Could this be the proof I have been searching for?
RE: Could this be the proof I have been searching for?
Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
While it is true that the USB port does provide some power, it isn't a lot. Recharging a handheld this way is very slow.
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RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
Scooby
That's Mr. Doo to you
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
If you have a Universal Connector Palm, you might be interested in this review of the Complete Data Power Pack, which allows to recharge and HotSync from the same USB cable:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=4008
InnoPocket sells a cable that will let you do this on any Sony model with a T-series HotSync port:
www.innopocket.com/EShop/Main/product.php?ID=25
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RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
--Devan--
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
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Hail the Cow!
RE: Why 2 cables (hotsync and charging)?
It would be helpful when using a wireless keyboard. This way when i'm typing a larger paper, i can have the pda plugged in via an USB-AC adapter. I think the Clie won't be too stable while on a stand if there is a plug on the bottom of the Clie.
thank you.
Where the Modem
RE: Where the Modem
If you want a modem, go buy one.
They didn't build a clue into them either.
Pity for you.
RE: Where the Modem
I think you misunderstood his comment. He was complaining that Sony wasn't offering a modem add-on, not that Sony didn't build one in.
RE: Where the Modem
> I think you misunderstood his comment. He was complaining that Sony wasn't offering a
> modem add-on, not that Sony didn't build one in.
Precisely, I think the previous poster needs to use his advice. Although, maybe I should have stated an external modem accessory. Funny, how they make a modem for the inexpensive Sony S360, now discontinued. Sony really needs to stop making these experiment PDAs and stop filling up the landfills. Sony needs to concentrate on one handheld at a time. Palm may trickle out PDAs, That's why I favor Palm. Honestly, Sony is dragging their feet on many things, bluetooth memory stick might when I retire in about fifty years. Yeah! Hmmm, WI-FI stick, yeah right. Dream on!
RE: Where the Modem
Kingston 128mg CF $49.51
Lexar 128mg Mem Stick $48.63 ($58.63-$10 rebate)
Even SD is close, SanDisk 128mg $64
RE: Where is the Modem
IR-capable cell phone. Slow, but works on the road.
And the Psion Mako IR travel modem usually goes on
eBay for much less than I paid for my Palm V modem
sled. I wonder whether I should try hacking an
IrDA transceiver into my old PalmPilot Pro modem
sled...
RE: Where the Modem
RE: Where the Modem
i would like to use this communicate on 802.11b wireless hotspot in my home and office
Same ol' ghosting problem?
RE: Same ol' ghosting problem?
I'm not sure I completely understand your second question. That seems to be the tradeoff Sony has made with this model.
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RE: Same ol' ghosting problem?
RE: Same ol' ghosting problem?
Battery life-
Hmmmm...I bought an SL10 and was quite satisfied with it. But with extra RAM, better screen/light, and battery I may have to exchange it.
I don't find I have to use the backlight ALL the time with the SL10, so I assume battery life would be even better with only partial backlight usage.
RE: Battery life-
Screen size
Size does matter....
RE: Screen size
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Picture of the back of SJ20, please!!
RE: Picture of the back of SJ20, please!!
www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_SJ20_4_L.jpg
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RE: Picture of the back of SJ20, please!!
Does the protruding battery compartment made the handheld more uncomfortable or feel more awkward to hold?
RE: Picture of the back of SJ20, please!!
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Hail the Cow!
a Godsend
--Devan--
RE: SJ30
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Make it idiot proof, and somebody will make a better idiot.
RE: SJ30
Since he was able to give us an intial impression of the SJ20 BEFORE it was released, I thought he might be able to give us some insight on the yet to be released SJ30. I'm eagerly awaiting the SJ30 because I need a replacement color PDA and the SJ30 seems to fit the bill.
The SJ20 and SJ30 were both announced/released in AU/HK, I wonder why Sony didn't do the same here in the US?
Use of Memory Stick
RE: a Godsend
You can synch .PRCs and .PDBs directly to the card using the Palm Hotsync manager. These will be placed in the /Palm/Launcher directory on the memory stick.
Programs can be run from the memory stick, but they will be in a single "Memory Card" category (name depends on label of card) if you are using the standard Palm launcher. Other app launchers will give you more control over programs on the memory stick.
Programs accessing the memory card have to build in their own support. I don't have any idea about Wordsmith, but I regulary read e-books on my memory stick using iSilo, and the iSilo conduit takes care of placing it on the card. Conduits for programs will likely place databases in specific directories on the card, like /Palm/Programs/iSilo.
Hope that clears a few things up.
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Wooo!
RE: Use of Memory Stick
Email me if any other questions..UZI4U182@att.net
--Devan--
RE: Use of Memory Stick
> the memory stick or must the programs and files be moved into memory first?
Accessed and read directly to where? The device can't do anything with data unless it is in memory first. If you don't like how Wordsmith or your e-book reader accesses data from card, contact the author of the application about it.
SJ30 release
Will the T615 be replaced by SJ30 ? If so, what is the major differencs between units ?
RE: SJ30 release
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Hail the Cow!
RE: SJ30 release
No MP3?! Thats too bad, guess the SJ30 is the way to go!
font?
On the screen shot in your article, the fonts look "normal" -- is that because the app was using lo-res fonts, or because Sony switched to the (IMHO better-looking) OS 5 fonts?
RE: font?
Pretty easy to get around that though-
RE: font?
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Hail the Cow!
RE: font?
Strength of IR Port
RE: Strength of IR Port
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Hail the Cow!
RE: ROM
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Hail the Cow!
Hal
RE: Hal
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Hail the Cow!
Need help
I asked Silkyboard support and they offered to try SB for Sony T series but it doesn't fit well.
I will be appreciate for any help.
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Screen looks colour to me
Ooh the first to comment - there's a thing.
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